Re: [Elecraft] RIBBON MICROPHONE
To each his own,is right. After 30years working under contract with sennheiser, then akg ,then shure brothers I learned how silky smooth a $ .40 element can sound when properly enclosed in anything cute I must confess after being away from the mic biz for a few years it is amazing how many new players there in the boutique area of the biz, I had never heard of cascade,, But then must not forget, that David Letterman has a unconnected heil on his desk for looks. It's even facing in the wrong direction, and it is not a bi-directional ribbon.. Bill. In prosperity From the mobile On Aug 14, 2011, at 18:23, Mel Farrer farrerfo...@yahoo.com wrote: Well, I disagree. I use a Cascade Fat Head ribbon microphone on my Bauer 707 AM transmitter and the reports are very flattering. Now, I agree if you are using a narrow sideband filter, it won't help you much, but then on my K3, when I do move the ribbon mike into position, I use the 6 KHz filter and the equalizer section turns the audio into a pleasant performer. I do use a puff filter in front to get rid of the breathiness issue. To each his own. IMHO, Cheers, Mel, K6KBE From: Fred Jensen k6...@foothill.net To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2011 2:47 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] RIBBON MICROPHONE Indeed. Being just a tad more naive than Jim, a condition that persists to this day, my first college job included sign-on in early AM as the only employee in the studio of a small FM station. I used a fairly large and clunky RCA ribbon mic on a desk stand in front of the board. Everyone has seen them in old movies and the like, sort of prismatic in shape. I made a number of airchecks of the sign-on litany and discovered that if I closed way up on the mic and spoke softly, I could turn a 17-yr old voice into something a couple of octaves below Vaughn Monroe. It would have been a very poor mic for ham radio. 73, Fred K6DGW - Northern California Contest Club - CU in the 2011 Cal QSO Party 1-2 Oct 2011 - www.cqp.org On 8/14/2011 11:48 AM, Jim Brown wrote: I wouldn't dream of using them in my ham station. They are delicate (easily broken), very subject to P-popping and breathe noise, and emphasize the low end of the voice (very bad for ham radio). __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] RIBBON MICROPHONE
On 8/6/2011 10:39 AM, Bruce McLaughlin wrote: the previous response indicated, there is no fundamental reason why you cannot use this microphone with the K3. However, as also indicated there are some drawbacks. As already mentioned, it appears this particular model does not have directional controls and so it will be bidirectional and sensitive to noise from the rear. And you should be aware that ribbon microphones are very sensitive to shock and vibration and can be easily damaged. YES! A ribbon mic would be a VERY poor choice for use with any ham rig. I'm an audio professional, and I own and love three fine ribbon mics. I use them for recording trumpet, banjo, and some voices. I wouldn't dream of using them in my ham station. They are delicate (easily broken), very subject to P-popping and breathe noise, and emphasize the low end of the voice (very bad for ham radio). 73, Jim K9YC __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] RIBBON MICROPHONE
Indeed. Being just a tad more naive than Jim, a condition that persists to this day, my first college job included sign-on in early AM as the only employee in the studio of a small FM station. I used a fairly large and clunky RCA ribbon mic on a desk stand in front of the board. Everyone has seen them in old movies and the like, sort of prismatic in shape. I made a number of airchecks of the sign-on litany and discovered that if I closed way up on the mic and spoke softly, I could turn a 17-yr old voice into something a couple of octaves below Vaughn Monroe. It would have been a very poor mic for ham radio. 73, Fred K6DGW - Northern California Contest Club - CU in the 2011 Cal QSO Party 1-2 Oct 2011 - www.cqp.org On 8/14/2011 11:48 AM, Jim Brown wrote: I wouldn't dream of using them in my ham station. They are delicate (easily broken), very subject to P-popping and breathe noise, and emphasize the low end of the voice (very bad for ham radio). __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] RIBBON MICROPHONE
Well, I disagree. I use a Cascade Fat Head ribbon microphone on my Bauer 707 AM transmitter and the reports are very flattering. Now, I agree if you are using a narrow sideband filter, it won't help you much, but then on my K3, when I do move the ribbon mike into position, I use the 6 KHz filter and the equalizer section turns the audio into a pleasant performer. I do use a puff filter in front to get rid of the breathiness issue. To each his own. IMHO, Cheers, Mel, K6KBE From: Fred Jensen k6...@foothill.net To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2011 2:47 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] RIBBON MICROPHONE Indeed. Being just a tad more naive than Jim, a condition that persists to this day, my first college job included sign-on in early AM as the only employee in the studio of a small FM station. I used a fairly large and clunky RCA ribbon mic on a desk stand in front of the board. Everyone has seen them in old movies and the like, sort of prismatic in shape. I made a number of airchecks of the sign-on litany and discovered that if I closed way up on the mic and spoke softly, I could turn a 17-yr old voice into something a couple of octaves below Vaughn Monroe. It would have been a very poor mic for ham radio. 73, Fred K6DGW - Northern California Contest Club - CU in the 2011 Cal QSO Party 1-2 Oct 2011 - www.cqp.org On 8/14/2011 11:48 AM, Jim Brown wrote: I wouldn't dream of using them in my ham station. They are delicate (easily broken), very subject to P-popping and breathe noise, and emphasize the low end of the voice (very bad for ham radio). __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] RIBBON MICROPHONE
You can use a ribbon mic with the K3, but be aware that the pattern is bi-directional, and this model doesn't appear to allow the user to alter the pattern, unlike say...a poly-directional RCA 77Dx. Side rejection will be good but the amplitude response from rear-arriving sound will be the same as forward arriving. I wouldn't use this mic for that reason alone. You can connect the mic to the K3's rear-panel mic connector, using the same methods of interconnect for other balanced-output mics into the unbalanced input of the K3. Ensure that the K3's mic bias is deactivated. It should EQ nicely with the K3's internal equalizer. Paul, W9AC - Original Message - From: Ed Stallman n...@airmail.net To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Sent: Saturday, August 06, 2011 12:47 PM Subject: [Elecraft] RIBBON MICROPHONE Hello , I'm A new K3 user and I would like to be sure this Microphone will work with the K3 before placing my order ... Please have a look here http://www.musiciansfriend.com/pro-audio/mxl-r144-ribbon-microphone I have friends using this Mic on other radio's without audio gear and they all sound very natural , Also will I be able to use the rear Mic Jack ? I'm hoping I can to help keep clutter from up front . Thanks Ed __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] RIBBON MICROPHONE
As the previous response indicated, there is no fundamental reason why you cannot use this microphone with the K3. However, as also indicated there are some drawbacks. As already mentioned, it appears this particular model does not have directional controls and so it will be bidirectional and sensitive to noise from the rear. And you should be aware that ribbon microphones are very sensitive to shock and vibration and can be easily damaged. They are also very sensitive to wind blasts, which if sufficient, can break the ribbon. And finally, they usually exhibit very strong proximity effects. You should be careful not to work too closely to this microphone or the bass response will be considerably enhanced which is not particularly helpful for SSB communication. I would work no closer than a foot from the microphone to avoid not only accentuating the base but also to prevent plosives or, as sometimes called, P pops which result from words having a P at the beginning and sometimes other letters such as B. In other words, a ribbon microphone should sound very nice if appropriate precautions are taken in its use. Bruce -Original Message- From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Ed Stallman Sent: Saturday, August 06, 2011 12:47 PM To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] RIBBON MICROPHONE Hello , I'm A new K3 user and I would like to be sure this Microphone will work with the K3 before placing my order ... Please have a look here http://www.musiciansfriend.com/pro-audio/mxl-r144-ribbon-microphone I have friends using this Mic on other radio's without audio gear and they all sound very natural , Also will I be able to use the rear Mic Jack ? I'm hoping I can to help keep clutter from up front . Thanks Ed __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
