Re: [Emc-developers] [Hosted Weblate] New comment inLinuxCNC/LinuxCNC Documentation

[gene heskett]

On 9/12/22 11:08, Steffen Moeller wrote:


Am 10.09.2022 um 17:33 schrieb andy pugh:

On Sat, 10 Sept 2022 at 11:47, Steffen Möller via Emc-developers
 wrote:
The documentation typically abbreviates axes in pin names with 
capital 'N's,

and joints with capital 'L's, if my short term memory serves me right.

It's the other way round. joint.N.. (Number 0-8) and axis.L
(Letter XYZABCUVW)


:) Yes.

Not so urgent. Another thing is the representation of the spindle that
sometimes is S and at other times is N.

Anyway - sorry for the noise.

Steffen
Spindles Steffen, are assumed to be #0 if not specified, but if more 
than one on a

given machine, s/b addressed as sn, where a base 0 n=0 to 9 enumeration
is assumed. Not necessarily in enum order.

That is AIUI.

Corrections welcomed as I have no multiple spindle machines.

So the added ability to control additional spindles has not required me 
to make any

changes in years old configs.

Your original quote from the existing docs however, might benefit from a 
better explanation.

The words concise and ambiguity come to mind. The ambiguity needs removed.

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Re: [Emc-developers] [Hosted Weblate] New comment inLinuxCNC/LinuxCNC Documentation (OT)

[Jérémie Tarot]

Le ven. 29 juil. 2022 à 11:30, Nicklas SB Karlsson  a écrit :

> > ... "start from line" was added several years ago.  The motion code
> > may
> > not be
> > re-executed, but the mode changes it implies are.
>
> "start from line" may be used if tool bit break or other problem occur
> to start machining at a particular point in program?
>

Is this a question or a text replacement proposal?

Outside of problems, it is very useful when tuning a program or in every
cases you want to start running a program from somewhere else than
beginning.

Explanation of its behavior should be kept and may be even improved

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Re: [Emc-developers] [Hosted Weblate] New comment inLinuxCNC/LinuxCNC Documentation

[Jérémie Tarot]

s/restart/resume/?

Le sam. 30 juil. 2022 à 06:01, Chris Morley  a
écrit :

> I am 99% sure it only restarts at the line with what ever modes are
> present.
> It certainly doesn't go back through the program.
> In fact that is one of the big drawbacks of it.
>


I'm not even sure it restore spindle rotation and speed as well as
cooling!? 樂

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Re: [Emc-developers] [Hosted Weblate] New comment inLinuxCNC/LinuxCNC Documentation

[Chris Morley]

I am 99% sure it only restarts at the line with what ever modes are present.
It certainly doesn't go back through the program.
In fact that is one of the big drawbacks of it.


From: gene heskett 
Sent: July 28, 2022 5:27 PM
To: emc-developers@lists.sourceforge.net 
Subject: Re: [Emc-developers] [Hosted Weblate] New comment inLinuxCNC/LinuxCNC 
Documentation

On 7/28/22 06:37, Hans Unzner wrote:
> Maybe
> will restart the program at the following line. --> will continue executing
> the program at the following line.
> ?
I'm not happy with this, the word restart is IMO correct because the
state of the machine
can only be determined by scanning and re-executing all the mode changes
that have
occurred since the file was initially ran, or at least that's how I've
understood it since
that "start from line" was added several years ago.  The motion code may
not be
re-executed, but the mode changes it implies are.

Am I mistaken?
> Am Do., 28. Juli 2022 um 11:55 Uhr schrieb Steffen Möller via
> Emc-developers :
>
>>
>> #  Comment added
>>
>> [ smoe](https://hosted.weblate.org/user/smoe/ "Steffen Möller"): [Hosted
>> Weblate](https://hosted.weblate.org) /
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>> [English](https://hosted.weblate.org/projects/linuxcnc/linuxcnc-docs/en/)
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>> ## Source string
>>
>> 'M0' - pause a running program temporarily. LinuxCNC remains in the Auto
>> Mode
>> so MDI and other manual actions are not enabled. Pressing the resume button
>> will restart the program at the following line.
>>
>> ## Source string description
>>
>> type: Plain text
>>
>> ## Comment
>>
>> I am unhappy with the term "restart". That would imply that something
>> would be
>> "re"-executed, which is not the case, and variables are not affected,
>> either.
>> I would prefer "the execution of that program continues in the following
>> line."
>>
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>>
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Re: [Emc-developers] [Hosted Weblate] New comment inLinuxCNC/LinuxCNC Documentation (OT)

[Nicklas SB Karlsson]

> ... "start from line" was added several years ago.  The motion code
> may 
> not be
> re-executed, but the mode changes it implies are.

"start from line" may be used if tool bit break or other problem occur
to start machining at a particular point in program?


Nicklas Karlsson



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Re: [Emc-developers] [Hosted Weblate] New comment inLinuxCNC/LinuxCNC Documentation

[gene heskett]

On 7/28/22 06:37, Hans Unzner wrote:

Maybe
will restart the program at the following line. --> will continue executing
the program at the following line.
?
I'm not happy with this, the word restart is IMO correct because the 
state of the machine
can only be determined by scanning and re-executing all the mode changes 
that have
occurred since the file was initially ran, or at least that's how I've 
understood it since
that "start from line" was added several years ago.  The motion code may 
not be

re-executed, but the mode changes it implies are.

Am I mistaken?

Am Do., 28. Juli 2022 um 11:55 Uhr schrieb Steffen Möller via
Emc-developers :



#  Comment added

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[English](https://hosted.weblate.org/projects/linuxcnc/linuxcnc-docs/en/)

## Source string

'M0' - pause a running program temporarily. LinuxCNC remains in the Auto
Mode
so MDI and other manual actions are not enabled. Pressing the resume button
will restart the program at the following line.

## Source string description

type: Plain text

## Comment

I am unhappy with the term "restart". That would imply that something
would be
"re"-executed, which is not the case, and variables are not affected,
either.
I would prefer "the execution of that program continues in the following
line."

[Edit this string](https://hosted.weblate.org/translate/linuxcnc/linuxcnc-
docs/en/?checksum=acfba46ddc59075d#comments

)

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)

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Re: [Emc-developers] [Hosted Weblate] New comment inLinuxCNC/LinuxCNC Documentation

[Steffen Möller]

On 05.07.22 15:34, gene heskett wrote:

On 7/5/22 08:26, andy pugh wrote:

On Tue, 5 Jul 2022 at 11:47, Steffen Möller via Emc-developers
 wrote:


degrees. Values returned by unary operations which return angle
measures
('ACOS', 'ASIN', and 'ATAN') are also in degrees.
This is unexpected. Radial is the default for these functions about
everywhere
else. This should be made more explicit.

I would imagine that most CNC operators will expect degrees. Can you
imagine trying to type in a right-angle in MDI in radians?

G1 @20 ^ 90

is far more practical than

G1 @20 ^ 1.570796327


I agree with Andy on this one Steffan, for CNC, radians is a PITA.
My current project is a hard maple vise screw, about 18.5" inches
long. To carve a
2 start, 12mm pitch thread is 187,000 degrees, LinuxCNC tracks that
perfectly. As a
retired broadcast engineer, everything I've had to do has always been
done in degrees.
Including measuring guy wire tensions by the intercept method using a
riflescope is
SOP.


Uh, sorry, missunderstanding. I was spending too much time in weblate
and forgot how this may be read without that documentation-context. I do
not suggest that you should change the function, my comment only refers
to the documentation that should explicitly state 0-360 or something to
render it absolutely clear to everyone. But admittedly I still hope to
find the constant Pi defined somewhere and then 90 is about as easy as Pi/2.

Cheers,
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Re: [Emc-developers] [Hosted Weblate] New comment inLinuxCNC/LinuxCNC Documentation

[gene heskett]

On 7/5/22 08:26, andy pugh wrote:

On Tue, 5 Jul 2022 at 11:47, Steffen Möller via Emc-developers
 wrote:


degrees. Values returned by unary operations which return angle measures
('ACOS', 'ASIN', and 'ATAN') are also in degrees.
This is unexpected. Radial is the default for these functions about everywhere
else. This should be made more explicit.

I would imagine that most CNC operators will expect degrees. Can you
imagine trying to type in a right-angle in MDI in radians?

G1 @20 ^ 90

is far more practical than

G1 @20 ^ 1.570796327


I agree with Andy on this one Steffan, for CNC, radians is a PITA.
My current project is a hard maple vise screw, about 18.5" inches long. 
To carve a
2 start, 12mm pitch thread is 187,000 degrees, LinuxCNC tracks that 
perfectly. As a
retired broadcast engineer, everything I've had to do has always been 
done in degrees.
Including measuring guy wire tensions by the intercept method using a 
riflescope is

SOP.

Cheers, Gene Heskett.
--
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)
If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable.
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