Re: [e-users] www.enlightenment.org

2005-12-18 Thread Paul Stejskal
Ok raster, I'm lost as to the reference to Mandrake.  Of course it IS
2:20 AM hehe.
Paul

On Sun, 2005-12-18 at 13:19 +0900, Carsten Haitzler wrote:
 On Sat, 17 Dec 2005 22:09:30 -0500 David Coulson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 babbled:
 
  
  
  Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote:
  
   it will come back.. if and when we can get it back.
  
  What is limiting the availability of the site? Are resources required?
 
 if you have someone on the inside of icann who can do us favors... :) 
 basically
 the domain is locked until it comes out of grace period. there is nothng we 
 can
 do short of 1. circumventing the rules by pulling strings or 2. becoming
 mandrake, 3. waiting.
 



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Re: [e-users] www.enlightenment.org

2005-12-18 Thread Andrew Grimberg
On Sun, 2005-12-18 at 02:26 -0600, Paul Stejskal wrote:
 Ok raster, I'm lost as to the reference to Mandrake.  Of course it IS
 2:20 AM hehe.
 Paul

Mandrake owns the domain name according to whois, ergo you would have to
be mandrake to update or sell the domain.

Raster, why don't you contact mandrake and see if he'll give / sell you
rights to the domain?  I'm sure folks would be willing to chip in if
needed (at least I would).

-Andy-


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Re: [e-users] www.enlightenment.org

2005-12-18 Thread Justin

Andrew Grimberg wrote:


On Sun, 2005-12-18 at 02:26 -0600, Paul Stejskal wrote:
 


Ok raster, I'm lost as to the reference to Mandrake.  Of course it IS
2:20 AM hehe.
Paul
   



Mandrake owns the domain name according to whois, ergo you would have to
be mandrake to update or sell the domain.

Raster, why don't you contact mandrake and see if he'll give / sell you
rights to the domain?  I'm sure folks would be willing to chip in if
needed (at least I would).

-Andy-


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I would!

Justin


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Re: [e-users] www.enlightenment.org

2005-12-18 Thread Michael Jennings
On Sunday, 18 December 2005, at 07:02:07 (-0800),
Andrew Grimberg wrote:

 Raster, why don't you contact mandrake

Just out of curiosity, what caused you to conclude that we hadn't at
least tried to do just that?

Michael

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Re: [e-users] www.enlightenment.org

2005-12-18 Thread Dènis Riedijk
On 12/18/05, Michael Jennings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Sunday, 18 December 2005, at 07:02:07 (-0800),Andrew Grimberg wrote: Raster, why don't you contact mandrakeJust out of curiosity, what caused you to conclude that we hadn't atleast tried to do just that?
So Mandrake is lost in cyberspace? He didn't update his webpage for a long time before it went 404, that's for sure.


Re: [e-users] www.enlightenment.org

2005-12-18 Thread Geoffrey
Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote:
 On Sun, 18 Dec 2005 00:44:11 +0900 Jerome Pinot [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled:
 
 
Hi,
It's quite a long time now that http://www.enlightenment.org is deadIt will
come back later or do you have other plan (like superseding byget-e.org) ?
Thanks
 
 
 it will come back.. if and when we can get it back.

Hardware problems?  Any way E users can help?

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Re: [e-users] www.enlightenment.org

2005-12-18 Thread Geoffrey

Andrew Grimberg wrote:

On Sun, 2005-12-18 at 02:26 -0600, Paul Stejskal wrote:


Ok raster, I'm lost as to the reference to Mandrake.  Of course it IS
2:20 AM hehe.
Paul



Mandrake owns the domain name according to whois, ergo you would have to
be mandrake to update or sell the domain.


So, maybe I'm dragging this thread too far off subject, but, I assume 
Mandrake is no longer involved with the E development?  Why?


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Re: [e-users] www.enlightenment.org

2005-12-18 Thread Andrew Grimberg
On Sun, 2005-12-18 at 13:56 -0500, Michael Jennings wrote:
 On Sunday, 18 December 2005, at 07:02:07 (-0800),
 Andrew Grimberg wrote:
 
  Raster, why don't you contact mandrake
 
 Just out of curiosity, what caused you to conclude that we hadn't at
 least tried to do just that?

My apologies, I hadn't realized that he had gone MIA, I just knew that
he hadn't contributed in quite a long time(tm).

-Andy-


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Re: [e-users] www.enlightenment.org

2005-12-18 Thread Paul Stejskal
Mandrake is now Mandriva FYI.
Paul
On Sun, 2005-12-18 at 13:40 -0800, Andrew Grimberg wrote:
 On Sun, 2005-12-18 at 13:56 -0500, Michael Jennings wrote:
  On Sunday, 18 December 2005, at 07:02:07 (-0800),
  Andrew Grimberg wrote:
  
   Raster, why don't you contact mandrake
  
  Just out of curiosity, what caused you to conclude that we hadn't at
  least tried to do just that?
 
 My apologies, I hadn't realized that he had gone MIA, I just knew that
 he hadn't contributed in quite a long time(tm).
 
 -Andy-
 
 
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Re: [e-users] www.enlightenment.org

2005-12-18 Thread David Seikel
On Sun, 18 Dec 2005 16:44:31 -0600 Paul Stejskal
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Mandrake is now Mandriva FYI.

The person or the distro?  I didn't think there was any relationship
between the two.


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[e-users] Sylpheed-Claws and Window remember

2005-12-18 Thread Dano
Hello,

I'm using Sylpheed-Claws version 2.0.0-rc1 and upgraded E right now.
The sylpheed-claws window wont remember its position, size, virtual
desktop... Not sure, but i think this began with this version of
sylpheed-claws.

Dano


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Re: [e-users] www.enlightenment.org

2005-12-18 Thread Paul Stejskal
Oh, I'm lost then.  I was referring to the distro.  I guess someone
changed it.
Paul
On Mon, 2005-12-19 at 08:52 +1000, David Seikel wrote:
 On Sun, 18 Dec 2005 16:44:31 -0600 Paul Stejskal
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  Mandrake is now Mandriva FYI.
 
 The person or the distro?  I didn't think there was any relationship
 between the two.



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Re: [e-users] www.enlightenment.org

2005-12-18 Thread Andrew Grimberg
On Sun, 2005-12-18 at 18:05 -0600, Paul Stejskal wrote:
 Oh, I'm lost then.  I was referring to the distro.  I guess someone
 changed it.
 Paul
 On Mon, 2005-12-19 at 08:52 +1000, David Seikel wrote:
  On Sun, 18 Dec 2005 16:44:31 -0600 Paul Stejskal
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
   Mandrake is now Mandriva FYI.
  
  The person or the distro?  I didn't think there was any relationship
  between the two.

Hehe, I do believe we've been talking about the person the entire time.
To the best of my knowledge (limited at best) mandrake (the person)
didn't have anything to do with Mandrake (the distro now Mandriva).

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Re: [e-users] www.enlightenment.org

2005-12-18 Thread The Rasterman
On Sun, 18 Dec 2005 07:02:07 -0800 Andrew Grimberg [EMAIL PROTECTED]
babbled:

 On Sun, 2005-12-18 at 02:26 -0600, Paul Stejskal wrote:
  Ok raster, I'm lost as to the reference to Mandrake.  Of course it IS
  2:20 AM hehe.
  Paul
 
 Mandrake owns the domain name according to whois, ergo you would have to
 be mandrake to update or sell the domain.
 
 Raster, why don't you contact mandrake and see if he'll give / sell you
 rights to the domain?  I'm sure folks would be willing to chip in if
 needed (at least I would).

we have done that. well tried. nobody knows where he is. how to contact him by
phone, fax, email, snail-mail or any other means. short of hiring private
detectives as as david mentions, we have done everything we can. mandrake has
nothing to do with the distribution. he used that nickname long before mandrake
(the distro) existed. he owns mandrake.net - which is dead as such (no live
server answering - sure something is there but its likely just a recycled
machine. his mailserver is dead - it has been for a long time now, website,
location in the real world is unknown by anyone i know who knows/has known him).

the domain has expired - it expired nov 8 2005. only he can renew it as he is
the previous owner and he never granted any admin rights to anyone else (ie put
them on the contact list). the domain is in grace period which means that its
practically dead, just being held in case the previous owner wants it back at a
extra fee. it will remain so until grace period expires then the domain will be
deleted officially and then it will be open for taking again.

unless someone has pull with icann or major domain registries (tucows is the
sposoring registrar) and can basically get it pulled form grace perido and
allow us to re-register it despite the list of stupid rules they have (which
make no sense as the contact info for the domain is bogus - email included as
it simply bounces with no MX). beyond pulling stings/favors or hiring a private
detective to find mandrake - we can do nothing but wait.

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Re: [e-users] Sylpheed-Claws and Window remember

2005-12-18 Thread The Rasterman
On Mon, 19 Dec 2005 00:10:48 +0100 Dano [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled:

 Hello,
 
 I'm using Sylpheed-Claws version 2.0.0-rc1 and upgraded E right now.
 The sylpheed-claws window wont remember its position, size, virtual
 desktop... Not sure, but i think this began with this version of
 sylpheed-claws.

does it give you options to remember them? it is possible it is manually
(sylpheed) setting these values on start and thus the remembered info is not
able to work as the app is overriding it. you can lock the app out of making
such changed using locks.

 Dano
 
 
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Re: [e-users] Sylpheed-Claws and Window remember

2005-12-18 Thread Jesse Luehrs
On Mon, 19 Dec 2005 00:10:48 +0100
Dano [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hello,
 
 I'm using Sylpheed-Claws version 2.0.0-rc1 and upgraded E right now.
 The sylpheed-claws window wont remember its position, size, virtual
 desktop... Not sure, but i think this began with this version of
 sylpheed-claws.
 
 Dano

I already talked to raster about this... he was pretty sure it was some
corner case of ICCCM hints or something like that. If you check out the
WM_HINTS for it using xprop, you'll notice that it says that it wants
to start iconified for whatever reason, and if you restart E, it will
indeed be iconified. My guess (totally unfounded) is that E expects it
to start iconified, but then doesn't do it, which makes it ignore the
remembered position, size, and desktop (since it's supposed to start
minimized anyway). Could definitely be wrong about that... someone
should probably look into it more closely.

Jesse


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Re: [e-users] Sylpheed-Claws and Window remember

2005-12-18 Thread David Seikel
On Mon, 19 Dec 2005 12:26:10 +0900 Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman)
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 On Mon, 19 Dec 2005 00:10:48 +0100 Dano [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled:
 
  Hello,
  
  I'm using Sylpheed-Claws version 2.0.0-rc1 and upgraded E right now.
  The sylpheed-claws window wont remember its position, size, virtual
  desktop... Not sure, but i think this began with this version of
  sylpheed-claws.
 
 does it give you options to remember them? it is possible it is
 manually (sylpheed) setting these values on start and thus the
 remembered info is not able to work as the app is overriding it. you
 can lock the app out of making such changed using locks.

sylpheed-claws changes the window title to add the name of the account
you are using at the time.  It won't do that until after the remember
settings kick in.  I don't know about other relevant things it
may change, because you have not added the strings to the remember
dialog like I keep asking you to.  sylpheed-claws is a bitch to get
remember stuff working with for exactly this reason.  You can get it to
remember with some experimentation, but then it remembers for sub
windows as well.  More experimentation can get you a remember setup
that works for all it's sub windows too.  Then the config format
changes, and all remember settings are deleted, and you have to start
all over again.

By all that is holy, display the strings/values that you will be
matching on in the remember dialog to make this process a lot easier.

Did you mention that globbing worked?  That MIGHT help, but I won't
know know for sure until I see the strings.


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[e-users] RE: www.enlightenment.org

2005-12-18 Thread Justin
I hope I'm not sticking my nose into something I shouldn't be concerned 
with, but has anyone thought of the possibility that something has gone 
awry with Mandrake?  It's odd that he just fell off the face of the 
planet after being around for a such a long time.  Websites aside, if he 
has fallen ill I would hate to think he's alone.


Justin


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Re: [e-users] RE: www.enlightenment.org

2005-12-18 Thread David Seikel
On Sun, 18 Dec 2005 23:15:25 -0500 Justin [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

 I hope I'm not sticking my nose into something I shouldn't be
 concerned with, but has anyone thought of the possibility that
 something has gone awry with Mandrake?  It's odd that he just fell
 off the face of the planet after being around for a such a long
 time.  Websites aside, if he has fallen ill I would hate to think
 he's alone.

We thought of that already.


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Re: [e-users] Sylpheed-Claws and Window remember

2005-12-18 Thread The Rasterman
On Mon, 19 Dec 2005 13:49:13 +1000 David Seikel [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled:

 On Mon, 19 Dec 2005 12:26:10 +0900 Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman)
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  On Mon, 19 Dec 2005 00:10:48 +0100 Dano [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled:
  
   Hello,
   
   I'm using Sylpheed-Claws version 2.0.0-rc1 and upgraded E right now.
   The sylpheed-claws window wont remember its position, size, virtual
   desktop... Not sure, but i think this began with this version of
   sylpheed-claws.
  
  does it give you options to remember them? it is possible it is
  manually (sylpheed) setting these values on start and thus the
  remembered info is not able to work as the app is overriding it. you
  can lock the app out of making such changed using locks.
 
 sylpheed-claws changes the window title to add the name of the account
 you are using at the time.  It won't do that until after the remember
 settings kick in.  I don't know about other relevant things it

it depends how you tell it to remember. by default title is not used as it is
sometimes a volatile property u cant be sure will be the same between
executions and on startup. name and class shoudl work with most well behaved
apps.

 may change, because you have not added the strings to the remember
 dialog like I keep asking you to.  sylpheed-claws is a bitch to get

there is no point adding them. title is not rememebred WHEN u select the
rememeber properties in the dialg - if the tile changes e updates the rememebr
properties - so it's whatever the title is right now. name and class are not
really needed to be visible as they shoudl be unique to that app. if they are
not the rememebr dialog WILL complain and tell you they are not unique (as it
finds other windows with the same name and class) etc. i've made it work
without needing to know the values -a s showing them is misleading as e tracks
them as they change.

 remember stuff working with for exactly this reason.  You can get it to
 remember with some experimentation, but then it remembers for sub
 windows as well.  More experimentation can get you a remember setup

if apps dont change name and class for subwindows there is not much we can do.
name and class are intended to be fixed for a window once created. title can
change. e tracks this. title is not a useufl thing generally touse to match on.
thats why there's window type and transience as dialogs are mostly transient
(unless u are firefox :) - like the download manager dialog) or they may
provide differentiating netwm window types.

 that works for all it's sub windows too.  Then the config format
 changes, and all remember settings are deleted, and you have to start
 all over again.
 
 By all that is holy, display the strings/values that you will be
 matching on in the remember dialog to make this process a lot easier.

see above. they will be misleading. it displays a title now - EXACTLY what u
see on the window. then in 3 seconds when the title changes e modifies its
remember info to match. name and class it detects if other windows are around
it knows it may clash with. i don't WANt to display those propetties ther
because they just are misleading. i have on the TOD a window info dialog
page. that woudl give you name, class, role, type, - in fact all the properties
e has read from the window and stored.

 Did you mention that globbing worked?  That MIGHT help, but I won't
 know know for sure until I see the strings.
 


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Re: [e-users] www.enlightenment.org

2005-12-18 Thread Wouter van Marle
On Mon, 2005-12-19 at 12:24 +0900, Carsten Haitzler wrote:
 beyond pulling stings/favors or hiring a private
 detective to find mandrake - we can do nothing but wait.

Not wanting to invade someones privacy... but there are quite some
people around here that may want to help.

Where (town/country) does mandrake live? Maybe someone lives close and
can go have a look at his home address? That might be a way to find out
what happened. Besides getting enlightenment.org back on, I think there
are many people in the e devel team that are wondering what's happened.

Wouter.



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Re: [e-users] Sylpheed-Claws and Window remember

2005-12-18 Thread Morten Nilsen

Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote:

On Mon, 19 Dec 2005 13:49:13 +1000 David Seikel [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled:

sylpheed-claws changes the window title to add the name of the account
you are using at the time.  It won't do that until after the remember
settings kick in.  I don't know about other relevant things it


it depends how you tell it to remember. by default title is not used as it is
sometimes a volatile property u cant be sure will be the same between
executions and on startup. name and class shoudl work with most well behaved
apps.


apparently, mozilla gtk builds aren't well behaved :P

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Re: [e-users] Sylpheed-Claws and Window remember

2005-12-18 Thread David Seikel
On Mon, 19 Dec 2005 13:37:33 +0900 Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman)
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 have on the TOD a window info dialog page. that woudl give you
 name, class, role, type, - in fact all the properties e has read from
 the window and stored.

I look forward to this dialog.  Not everybody is as persistent as me
when it comes to finding a combination that works for recalcitrant
proggies.  Something that provides some actual information will help a
lot.


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Re: [e-users] www.enlightenment.org

2005-12-18 Thread Andrew Grimberg
On Mon, 2005-12-19 at 12:41 +0800, Wouter van Marle wrote:
 On Mon, 2005-12-19 at 12:24 +0900, Carsten Haitzler wrote:
  beyond pulling stings/favors or hiring a private
  detective to find mandrake - we can do nothing but wait.
 
 Not wanting to invade someones privacy... but there are quite some
 people around here that may want to help.
 
 Where (town/country) does mandrake live? Maybe someone lives close and
 can go have a look at his home address? That might be a way to find out
 what happened. Besides getting enlightenment.org back on, I think there
 are many people in the e devel team that are wondering what's happened.

Couldn't tell you, his whois information is bogus... interestingly
enough the whois records for enlightenment.org have changed since I
looked earlier today.

We appear to regained the domain thanks to??? All I see is an
organization called Name Recovery now.

-Andy-


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Re: [e-users] www.enlightenment.org

2005-12-18 Thread Russell Shaw

Dènis Riedijk wrote:



On 12/19/05, *Wouter van Marle* [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


On Mon, 2005-12-19 at 12:24 +0900, Carsten Haitzler wrote:
  beyond pulling stings/favors or hiring a private
  detective to find mandrake - we can do nothing but wait.

Not wanting to invade someones privacy... but there are quite some
people around here that may want to help.

Where (town/country) does mandrake live? Maybe someone lives close and
can go have a look at his home address? That might be a way to find out
what happened. Besides getting enlightenment.org
http://enlightenment.org back on, I think there
are many people in the e devel team that are wondering what's happened.


Well, where he lived was to be found on his website... The most I can 
now find is 
http://www.google.com/search?hl=enq=tammy+mandrakebtnG=Google+Search 
http://www.google.com/search?hl=enq=tammy+mandrakebtnG=Google+Search


But I am sure that Rasterco have done way more digging than this. I for 
one am sure wondering what has happened to him. Hope he is ok.


Dènis


You might find the old website in here:

  http://www.archive.org/
  http://web.archive.org/collections/web/advanced.html


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