Re: I need help with Fedora
On Mon, 2008-07-21 at 04:57 +, g wrote: Ric Moore wrote: snip When I first started using Linux, I bugged the living heck out of anyone snip fsck themselves while leaving them liking it! :) Ric i am really going to enjoy checking f9 respin. i am going to see what all i can get into setting up my 2wire modem for wireless and then give kvm and xen a run. newbie time again. but i *do* know how to use 'google linux', so i will not be too hard you folks. ;o) Ha! Join the club! I'll never catch up! But, that's the good part! Ric -- My father, Victor Moore (Vic) used to say: There are two Great Sins in the world... ..the Sin of Ignorance, and the Sin of Stupidity. Only the former may be overcome. R.I.P. Dad. Linux user# 44256 Sign up at: http://counter.li.org/ http://www.sourceforge.net/projects/oar https://oar.dev.java.net/ Verizon Cell # 336-254-1339 - -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: I need help with Fedora
On Monday 21 July 2008 04:44:09 Tim wrote: On Mon, 2008-07-21 at 00:44 +, g wrote: i am still holding a thread from another list that op seems like she is intentionally ignoring two of my suggestions that may well have cleared her problem. maybe not. i do not know, but i do know i will not do to my system what she, or someone else may, has done. both of my suggestions would bring her back up, one quicker than other. You see that from time to time (those who ask advice about something they claim they don't understand, but won't accept the advice). Sometimes you wonder if they're trolling, there's plenty of people who get their jollies from deliberately wasting other people's time. That's harsh. Sometimes it's purely because they are cautious and don't actually understand the implications of the advice. Anne signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: I need help with Fedora
The live CD distros which I have used 1. DyneBolic (best distro for me) 2. Ubuntu (took hell lot of time to boot) 3. Gentoo (couldn't start GUI) 4. DSL (not as good as DyneBolic) See guys, the problem with using LiveCD is that I can't save my data and there is no customization. Every time I boot using LiveCD i need to run a series of jobs for customization. Plus, my drive becomes busy and launching applications takes time. I know there are more than 300 different linux distros out there, I just need to get one. My project needs simple basic structure of linux kernel. It doesn't require GNOME or KDE. But, as I am a newbie, I can't work on command line linux. So, please advice. Regards Aakash -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: I need help with Fedora
Tim: You see that from time to time (those who ask advice about something they claim they don't understand, but won't accept the advice). Sometimes you wonder if they're trolling, there's plenty of people who get their jollies from deliberately wasting other people's time. Anne Wilson: That's harsh. Sometimes it's purely because they are cautious and don't actually understand the implications of the advice. Maybe, but it's in there along with Windows users goading Linux users into a lather for fun, and people who think that the best way to get told how do something explictly, step by step, is to bitch on and on that nobody helps them. When a newcomer repeatedly ignores the same advice from different users, or the same advice from the same people as being a necessary step in a process, and despite explanations about why they should do what they're informed about, the benefit of the doubt lessens considerably. NB: This (trolling) is a general comment, I was commenting on what g said about someone else, elsewhere. *I* am *not* aiming it at any particular person on this list, at this time. It was just a comment that you see that kind of thing from time to time. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]$ uname -r 2.6.25.10-86.fc9.i686 Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored. I read messages from the public lists. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: I need help with Fedora
See, one of the problems with open source is . THERE'S NO SUPPORT: The not-so-good news is that there's no single source of information. A simple question may result in multiple, conflicting answers with no authoritative source. ... So, when you get tons of help but leading to different ways you get confused and even sometimes you think why are you asking the question. I am not a complete window user. I wanna leave it. I just need help of you guys. I actually got what to do with my System. This is for all newbies who want to switch to linux like me. It's really good that you guys are helping. regards aakash -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: I need help with Fedora
On Mon, 2008-07-21 at 13:29 +0530, aakash sharma wrote: The live CD distros which I have used 1. DyneBolic (best distro for me) 2. Ubuntu (took hell lot of time to boot) 3. Gentoo (couldn't start GUI) 4. DSL (not as good as DyneBolic) See guys, the problem with using LiveCD is that I can't save my data and there is no customization. That's not exactly true. You can customise LiveCD systems, and you can save data. But it's not exactly easy to do, and yes, they can be painfully slow to use. If you want to use a Live CD and do that, then say so. Someone will advise about it. If you don't *want* to use a Live CD, then say so. People can start to advise on other things more appropriate to you. My project needs simple basic structure of linux kernel. It doesn't require GNOME or KDE. But, as I am a newbie, I can't work on command line linux. That's not necessarily true, either. In some cases, it can be easier to use a command line, as you can cut and paste commands and output, use tools with manuals, and specific options to your needs. Starting out using graphical tools can end up with all sorts of navigational instructions and sets of large screenshots. What really sets aside whether you want a graphical or textual environment is what you're doing. If you're working with graphics, then obviously you'll need a graphical environment. But if you're working with a programming code, then text-only may well be all you need. If you want a light weight graphical environment, you've already been informed about some of them (e.g. XFCE). Have you even researched them? What help do you need to use one of them, instead? Finding one, getting it installed, getting logins to work, something else? You still haven't given us any real clue about what your project is. For all we know, you could be writing a thesis on kernels, about to start compiling your own kernel, writing drivers, or building robots. If you want good advice, personalised to your needs, then you need to provide good information. Otherwise you're going to get advised in the wrong direction, or asked more and more questions until you give the information people need to be able to give you advice. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]$ uname -r 2.6.25.10-86.fc9.i686 Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored. I read messages from the public lists. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: I need help with Fedora
My project requires to build an GUI interface with a lot of C-code running in background. It's kind of power saving project. We are doing this on linux coz it's clear and we know where to strike. This can't be done on Windows. But my approach is not just for the project. I said, I want to switch to Linux as I am fed up of the Window Crashes and bore graphics So, my switching will require me to 1. Run Linux 2. Programming in C, C++, Python, Java 3. Use a WebServer like Apache 4. Listen to music files like mp3 and play videos of various formats 5. Browse internet. I have a WiFi USB adapter. It's RT73 USB Wireless LAN card. I need to use this. 6. Some office editing. So, that's what I want. I can experiment a lot on this system as it's old and I am gonna donate it to someone after my graduation. So, if I use linux then the person who will use my system will also use linux. That's what I think. I think now I have made myself cleared about what I want from linux. Regards aakash -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: I need help with Fedora
On Mon, 2008-07-21 at 14:20 +0530, aakash sharma wrote: See, one of the problems with open source is . THERE'S NO SUPPORT: Wrong, wrong, wrong! Firstly, there's support with open source software, just the same as closed source. The commercial RHEL has official support, and is open-source, you pay for it, just like you pay for support with some other OS from the evil empire. The cost-free distros have plenty of support, but it's mostly from unofficial sources. And so is a lot of the support for non-free OSs. The other side of the coin is that the non-free OSs have just the same issue. We still have three Windows boxes left, they're official (i.e. non pirate, original equipment with supplied OS), but the only support that's ever been directly available for them is reading the pre-published Microsoft help pages (as much fun to read as asking a lawyer for advice), and unofficial user forums (the one's I've seen are *far* worse than this mailing list). Anything more would require paying for help. The not-so-good news is that there's no single source of information. A simple question may result in multiple, conflicting answers with no authoritative source. ... Which isn't unique to open source software, either. I can't think of anybody I personally know who's ever used paid support, for any OS. I doubt any of them could afford it, anyway. I've certainly read about other people using paid support, and I've heard both praise and condemnation. Everyone I *know* users user-support forums, and they all suffer from that problem. Getting pulled in different direction, getting bad advice, and poor asking of questions. But there definitely *IS* support. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]$ uname -r 2.6.25.10-86.fc9.i686 Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored. I read messages from the public lists. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: I need help with Fedora
On Monday 21 July 2008 08:59:57 aakash sharma wrote: The live CD distros which I have used 1. DyneBolic (best distro for me) 2. Ubuntu (took hell lot of time to boot) 3. Gentoo (couldn't start GUI) 4. DSL (not as good as DyneBolic) See guys, the problem with using LiveCD is that I can't save my data and there is no customization. Every time I boot using LiveCD i need to run a series of jobs for customization. Plus, my drive becomes busy and launching applications takes time. I know there are more than 300 different linux distros out there, I just need to get one. My project needs simple basic structure of linux kernel. It doesn't require GNOME or KDE. But, as I am a newbie, I can't work on command line linux. So, please advice. Ubuntu would, like Fedora, be running one of the big desktop managers. KDE and Gnome are too heavy for your small amount of RAM. If you install something small like Puppy you will not have to work from the command line. You may find some things easier than you thought from the command-line, but you will not be forced to use it. Live CDs are good for getting a look at possibilities, but I would never choose to work from one. Anne signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: I need help with Fedora
On Monday 21 July 2008 10:16:16 aakash sharma wrote: My project requires to build an GUI interface with a lot of C-code running in background. It's kind of power saving project. We are doing this on linux coz it's clear and we know where to strike. This can't be done on Windows. But my approach is not just for the project. I said, I want to switch to Linux as I am fed up of the Window Crashes and bore graphics So, my switching will require me to 1. Run Linux 2. Programming in C, C++, Python, Java 3. Use a WebServer like Apache 4. Listen to music files like mp3 and play videos of various formats 5. Browse internet. I have a WiFi USB adapter. It's RT73 USB Wireless LAN card. I need to use this. 6. Some office editing. So, that's what I want. I can experiment a lot on this system as it's old and I am gonna donate it to someone after my graduation. So, if I use linux then the person who will use my system will also use linux. That's what I think. I think now I have made myself cleared about what I want from linux. Most of those things will be no problem. I'm not sure that playing videos would be a nice experience - they may well be choppy, as you can't easily cache the stream in that amount of RAM. You'd just have to try it and see. USB wifi can be tricky, but there are people who would help you get this going. You might like to bookmark http://opensource.bureau-cornavin.com/belkin/index.html as it looks as though it might help you. Anne signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: I need help with Fedora
Hi Or you can install Fedora as usual, and install a more lightweight desktop like, xfce or icewm or windowmaker and change your session at gdm. Also helps if one disable a few services. Regards Marcelo Anne Wilson wrote: On Monday 21 July 2008 08:59:57 aakash sharma wrote: The live CD distros which I have used 1. DyneBolic (best distro for me) 2. Ubuntu (took hell lot of time to boot) 3. Gentoo (couldn't start GUI) 4. DSL (not as good as DyneBolic) See guys, the problem with using LiveCD is that I can't save my data and there is no customization. Every time I boot using LiveCD i need to run a series of jobs for customization. Plus, my drive becomes busy and launching applications takes time. I know there are more than 300 different linux distros out there, I just need to get one. My project needs simple basic structure of linux kernel. It doesn't require GNOME or KDE. But, as I am a newbie, I can't work on command line linux. So, please advice. Ubuntu would, like Fedora, be running one of the big desktop managers. KDE and Gnome are too heavy for your small amount of RAM. If you install something small like Puppy you will not have to work from the command line. You may find some things easier than you thought from the command-line, but you will not be forced to use it. Live CDs are good for getting a look at possibilities, but I would never choose to work from one. Anne -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: I need help with Fedora
On Monday 21 July 2008 09:50:34 aakash sharma wrote: See, one of the problems with open source is . THERE'S NO SUPPORT: The not-so-good news is that there's no single source of information. A simple question may result in multiple, conflicting answers with no authoritative source. ... So, when you get tons of help but leading to different ways you get confused and even sometimes you think why are you asking the question. I am not a complete window user. I wanna leave it. I just need help of you guys. I actually got what to do with my System. This is for all newbies who want to switch to linux like me. It's really good that you guys are helping. One of the things that newbies find disconcerting is that there are no hard answers in Linux. There are always many ways to achieve what you want. Sometimes you can evaluate what people are telling you and decide which is going to be best for you. Sometimes the only way is to try it and see. Anne signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: I need help with Fedora
aakash sharma wrote: I said, I want to switch to Linux as I am fed up of the Window Crashes and bore graphics Everything else you said sounds sensible, but in my experience neither Windows XP nor Fedora 9 crash very often. The difference from my perspective is that if Fedora crashes I am reasonably confident I can get it working again, while if Windows crashes I always have a niggling feeling that something dreadful might have occurred and I will never be able to get it working again. Sadly, I don't agree with you about graphics. Windows XP graphics and multimedia generally is much more reliable than the Fedora counterpart. Hopefully Fedora will gradually improve. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: I need help with Fedora
aakash sharma: THERE'S NO SUPPORT: Tim: Wrong, wrong, wrong! Robert P. J. Day: there is, of course, the irony of his making this claim on a fedora support mailing list. ;-) It's at this point where I refer to my other message where I said something about users who claim that nobody helps them... -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]$ uname -r 2.6.25.10-86.fc9.i686 Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored. I read messages from the public lists. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: I need help with Fedora
I'll just comment on a few bits of your post. Others will chip in on the bits that they can. aakash sharma: 3. Use a WebServer like Apache You can do that with your PC, no problems. Even less powered PCs. 4. Listen to music files like mp3 and play videos of various formats Music should be easy enough, I found XMMS to be better than others for low spec machines. Video's another thing, the abilities of your graphic card will help a lot. 5. Browse internet. I have a WiFi USB adapter. It's RT73 USB Wireless LAN card. I need to use this. Browsing the net might be painful, or quite okay. Your graphic card will play a role in how well, or slow, it draws pages. But you might want to try something else instead of Firefox, it's a bit greedy for resources, in itself. 6. Some office editing. OpenOffice.org might be a bit too demanding on your system. If you find it's too slow to cope with, you could try Abiword. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]$ uname -r 2.6.25.10-86.fc9.i686 Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored. I read messages from the public lists. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: I need help with Fedora
Ric Moore wrote: snip Ha! Join the club! i thought i had. blag I'll never catch up! But, that's the good part! if i ever do, i will know something is wrong. best part. -- tc,hago. g . in a free world without fences, who needs gates. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: I need help with Fedora
Tim wrote and aakash sharma wrote: snip The live CD distros which I have used 1. DyneBolic (best distro for me) 2. Ubuntu (took hell lot of time to boot) 3. Gentoo (couldn't start GUI) 4. DSL (not as good as DyneBolic) See guys, the problem with using LiveCD is that I can't save my data and there is no customization. That's not exactly true. You can customise LiveCD systems, and you can save data. all livecds that i have used allow you to save customization and data to a floppy, usb 'whatever', or to a hard drive But it's not exactly easy to do, why not? i have always found it to be in 'main menu', usually in main selection, sometimes as a sub selection and followed by very descriptive windowed procedure. My project needs simple basic structure of linux kernel. which is??? But, as I am a newbie, I can't work on command line linux. That's not necessarily true, either. In some cases, it can be easier to use a command line, as you can cut and paste commands and output, use then work with it. use a graphic desktop, what ever it be and then open up terminals. it is very easy to have one term open for your cl, another open for 'man', even a third watching what is happening with a 'dump', 'tail', 'top', 'tail', or what ever. sure beats having to use 3 or 4 physical terminals as i have done many times in early unix days. and a lot easier on neck and eyes. plus with a desktop, you can use mouse pointer to drag and paste to another terminal. something i could only wish for years ago. all in all, a desktop is graphical, but it can be *very textual*. If you want good advice, personalised to your needs, then you need to provide good information. Otherwise you're going to get advised in the wrong direction, or asked more and more questions until you give the information people need to be able to give you advice. this is something that is going to take time and you will need to be very patient in learning to do, as you will get some 'off color' remarks. above all, perseverance. -- tc,hago. g . in a free world without fences, who needs gates. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: I need help with Fedora
On Monday 21 July 2008 12:05:50 Marcelo M. Garcia wrote: Hi Or you can install Fedora as usual, and install a more lightweight desktop like, xfce or icewm or windowmaker and change your session at gdm. Also helps if one disable a few services. The only time I tried xfce I found it no better than kde, on that particular setup. There are, as you say, alternatives. I think I'd try icewm first. The problem he will encounter, though, is in recognising which part of the setup will allow him to reject kde and gnome and select icewm as his desktop. Perhaps someone who install more often that I do can advise him on that. I know it's easy for experienced useers, but a newbie needs telling what to look for. Anne signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: I need help with Fedora
On Sun, Jul 20, 2008 at 04:35:47PM -0400, Kevin J. Cummings wrote: aakash sharma wrote: Hi Anne Thanks for the advice and help I just can't upgrade my RAM at least for 9 months. Then set up a swap partition (or at least a swap file) in order to start swapping. Without it, you are just going to crash when you run out of memory. You should be able to use a live CD to do this if you can't do it during the installation process. All i need to do is a project on Linux. That's why I want to install Fedora. My project doesn't require latest features of FEDORA 9. So, can u tell me which version of Fedora will work somewhat smooth like XP on my system. FC1, FC2, FC3, etc Some system which I would not recommend you run because they probably have very many unpatched security holes, but are much easier on the memory footprint. Maybe a version of DSL Linux (Damn Small Linux), but you'd have to know what you need installed after that. Try a *very* minimal install at first, installing the least necessary to get a running system. You can always install what you need later, after you get the system up and running. Regarding partitioning, should a keep a logical NTFS partition before installing or should I first make a primary linux ext3 partition out of it. Linux is much happier running on a *nix type filesystem, and NTFS is not it. ext3 or another *nix style fs should do you just fine. Please help me regarding partitioning and choosing suitable linux edition. Partitioning should include some space for swap. I'd put in 2-3 times your ram. Do you want it to run (albeit slowly when it has to swap), or would you rather it crash when you run out of memory. That's the choice you have to make. Regards Aakash Good Luck! Installing from the live cd is much faster, smaller and easier. Just create partitions before doing that. Since this is just a project, maybe this will suffice your needs. HTH -- -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: I need help with Fedora
g: all livecds that i have used allow you to save customization and data to a floppy, usb 'whatever', or to a hard drive Tim: But it's not exactly easy to do, why not? It's going to depend on various things. The live CDs I've tried in the past didn't let me save customisations, I've had some where downloading anything to be installed failed. And you've got two ways of saving anything with a live disc: There's multisession discs with some spare space still left on them, which will have some limits. Or using a second drive - you mightn't have one, or a spare port to connect one (one of my systems was like that). Not impossible, but not without some obstacles, in some situations. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]$ uname -r 2.6.25.10-86.fc9.i686 Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored. I read messages from the public lists. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: I need help with Fedora
Kevin J. Cummings wrote: Matthew Saltzman wrote: On Mon, 2008-07-21 at 02:28 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: Kevin J. Cummings wrote: In general, if you don't know what you are doing then maybe Linux isn't for you? Oh please. Can you avoid that elitist attitude? There are new comers to Linux and Fedora all the time and not all of them are experts. These are valuable users to the community and we don't need to drive them away with statements like these. None of us were born with any of this knowledge anyway. Remember, you were a newbie too when you got started. Hear, hear! Sorry guys, I was just trying to get him to make a decision on his own instead of asking for a handout. I told him to create some swap space and try again. I don't think he has. I don't think you need to say sorry for what amounts to asking someone to make their own decision. I encourage everyone to jump in but its better if they have their eyes open, people that jump with their eyes squeezed shut never land right. -- Fortune favors the BOLD -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: I need help with Fedora
aakash sharma wrote: The live CD distros which I have used 1. DyneBolic (best distro for me) 2. Ubuntu (took hell lot of time to boot) 3. Gentoo (couldn't start GUI) 4. DSL (not as good as DyneBolic) See guys, the problem with using LiveCD is that I can't save my data and there is no customization. Every time I boot using LiveCD i need to run a series of jobs for customization. Plus, my drive becomes busy and launching applications takes time. I know there are more than 300 different linux distros out there, I just need to get one. My project needs simple basic structure of linux kernel. It doesn't require GNOME or KDE. But, as I am a newbie, I can't work on command line linux. So, please advice. Regards Aakash Getting rid of the defeatist attitude would be a good first step. I can't shouldn't be in your vocabulary. It does take time to get rid of it thoughmaybe we should stop teaching that in schools... -- Fortune favors the BOLD -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: I need help with Fedora
On Mon, 2008-07-21 at 21:47 +0930, Tim wrote: And you've got two ways of saving anything with a live disc: There's multisession discs with some spare space still left on them, which will have some limits. Or using a second drive - you mightn't have one, or a spare port to connect one (one of my systems was like that). You can also use a pendrive system, assuming your PC can boot from USB (as it's an old machine it may not). USB 2 is faster than a Live CD and you can configure it to save your config information, see http://docs.fedoraproject.org/release-notes/f9/en_US/sn-Live.html#sn-live-usb-persistence poc -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: I need help with Fedora
On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 02:20:34PM +0530, aakash sharma wrote: See, one of the problems with open source is . THERE'S NO SUPPORT: The not-so-good news is that there's no single source of information.. Aha but there is a single source of information. It is the source code itself. When you want the real answer 'use the source luke'. -- T o m M i t c h e l l Looking for a place to hang my hat :-( -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: I need help with Fedora
On Sun, 2008-07-20 at 16:35 -0400, Kevin J. Cummings wrote: All i need to do is a project on Linux. That's why I want to install Fedora. My project doesn't require latest features of FEDORA 9. So, can u tell me which version of Fedora will work somewhat smooth like XP on my system. FC1, FC2, FC3, etc Some system which I would not recommend you run because they probably have very many unpatched security holes, but are much easier on the memory footprint. Maybe a version of DSL Linux (Damn Small Linux), but you'd have to know what you need installed after that. Try a *very* minimal install at first, installing the least necessary to get a running system. You can always install what you need later, after you get the system up and running. If the project is for college/university study and data is well backed up, those older versions would run okay and any security implications can be worked into the thesis. -- Regards, Simon -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: I need help with Fedora
On Mon, 2008-07-21 at 05:59 -0400, Robert P. J. Day wrote: On Mon, 21 Jul 2008, Tim wrote: On Mon, 2008-07-21 at 14:20 +0530, aakash sharma wrote: See, one of the problems with open source is . THERE'S NO SUPPORT: Wrong, wrong, wrong! there is, of course, the irony of his making this claim on a fedora support mailing list. Ha! That was kinda strange! :) Ric -- My father, Victor Moore (Vic) used to say: There are two Great Sins in the world... ..the Sin of Ignorance, and the Sin of Stupidity. Only the former may be overcome. R.I.P. Dad. Linux user# 44256 Sign up at: http://counter.li.org/ http://www.sourceforge.net/projects/oar https://oar.dev.java.net/ Verizon Cell # 336-254-1339 - -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
I need help with Fedora
My system's configuration is Pentium 4 2.4GHz 256MB RAM 160GB HDD I know it's quite old but I wanna stick with it now I want to install fedora with Win xp. I already have xp installed on my system. I tried to install fedora 9 but it just crashed. All my data got corrupted as i had made another primary partition for fedora and set that active by Partition Magic. I think fedora 8 will work better on my system so I am downloading it now. *I need ur help regarding what kind of HDD partitioning I should use, and more importantly what scheme should I choose while installing FEDORA.* Thanks in Advance Aakash Sharma -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
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On Sunday 20 July 2008 20:55:49 aakash sharma wrote: My system's configuration is Pentium 4 2.4GHz 256MB RAM 160GB HDD I know it's quite old but I wanna stick with it now I want to install fedora with Win xp. I already have xp installed on my system. I tried to install fedora 9 but it just crashed. All my data got corrupted as i had made another primary partition for fedora and set that active by Partition Magic. I think fedora 8 will work better on my system so I am downloading it now. *I need ur help regarding what kind of HDD partitioning I should use, and more importantly what scheme should I choose while installing FEDORA.* Aakash , the first bit of advice would be to get more RAM. You can install Fedora onto much older hardware than yours, but 256 MB RAM is just not enough. As for partitioning, I can't remember the exact names, but when you get to the partitioning part of the install there is a button for Custom or Expert (can't remember which). Choose that. Leave the Windows partition(s) alone, but remove any other partitions set up with Partition Magic. Let the install create a 12GB partition for the system, (/). a 512MB swap partition, and the rest for /home. Anne signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
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Hi Anne Thanks for the advice and help I just can't upgrade my RAM at least for 9 months. All i need to do is a project on Linux. That's why I want to install Fedora. My project doesn't require latest features of FEDORA 9. So, can u tell me which version of Fedora will work somewhat smooth like XP on my system. Regarding partitioning, should a keep a logical NTFS partition before installing or should I first make a primary linux ext3 partition out of it. Please help me regarding partitioning and choosing suitable linux edition. Regards Aakash -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
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aakash sharma wrote: Hi Anne Thanks for the advice and help I just can't upgrade my RAM at least for 9 months. Then set up a swap partition (or at least a swap file) in order to start swapping. Without it, you are just going to crash when you run out of memory. You should be able to use a live CD to do this if you can't do it during the installation process. All i need to do is a project on Linux. That's why I want to install Fedora. My project doesn't require latest features of FEDORA 9. So, can u tell me which version of Fedora will work somewhat smooth like XP on my system. FC1, FC2, FC3, etc Some system which I would not recommend you run because they probably have very many unpatched security holes, but are much easier on the memory footprint. Maybe a version of DSL Linux (Damn Small Linux), but you'd have to know what you need installed after that. Try a *very* minimal install at first, installing the least necessary to get a running system. You can always install what you need later, after you get the system up and running. Regarding partitioning, should a keep a logical NTFS partition before installing or should I first make a primary linux ext3 partition out of it. Linux is much happier running on a *nix type filesystem, and NTFS is not it. ext3 or another *nix style fs should do you just fine. Please help me regarding partitioning and choosing suitable linux edition. Partitioning should include some space for swap. I'd put in 2-3 times your ram. Do you want it to run (albeit slowly when it has to swap), or would you rather it crash when you run out of memory. That's the choice you have to make. Regards Aakash Good Luck! -- Kevin J. Cummings [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Registered Linux User #1232 (http://counter.li.org) -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: I need help with Fedora
On Sunday 20 July 2008 21:16:04 aakash sharma wrote: Hi Anne Thanks for the advice and help I just can't upgrade my RAM at least for 9 months. All i need to do is a project on Linux. That's why I want to install Fedora. My project doesn't require latest features of FEDORA 9. So, can u tell me which version of Fedora will work somewhat smooth like XP on my system. I don't think any recent Fedora will work on 256MB RAM. Does it have to be Fedora? I'd suggest PuppyLinux or something similar, for the present, and move back to Fedora when you can get the extra RAM. Regarding partitioning, should a keep a logical NTFS partition before installing or should I first make a primary linux ext3 partition out of it. Do you have Windows data in there|/ \if not, let the installer delete the partition. Linux partitions are best created with Linux tools, so again, do it in the installer. Anne Please help me regarding partitioning and choosing suitable linux edition. Regards Aakash signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
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Dear Kevin Should I go with FEDORA or any other distribution? I like fedora because it's based on red hat and they are most trusted worldwide. Plus it's interface is quite cool. So, just guide me. Regards Aakash -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
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aakash sharma wrote: My system's configuration is Pentium 4 2.4GHz 256MB RAM 160GB HDD I know it's quite old but I wanna stick with it now I want to install fedora with Win xp. I already have xp installed on my system. I tried to install fedora 9 but it just crashed. All my data got corrupted as i had made another primary partition for fedora and set that active by Partition Magic. I think fedora 8 will work better on my system so I am downloading it now. *I need ur help regarding what kind of HDD partitioning I should use, and more importantly what scheme should I choose while installing FEDORA.* Thanks in Advance Aakash Sharma The processor is more then fast enough, but you should have more RAM if you want to run the Gnome or KDE desktop. I have run Fedora 8 on a P4, 1.5GHz system with 512MB of RAM. For partitioning, I would create a small /boot partition (128MB), and then create one partition for /. I would normally recommend a separate /home partition, but with 160GB shared with XP, sizing becomes too much of a juggling act for an inexperienced user. I would also create at least a 512MB, and probably a 1GB swap partition. But performance will suffer. Another way to do it is to shrink the XP partition to the size you want it, and let the installer handle partitioning the rest for you. You may also want to consider installing a distribution designed for a system with lower resources. Something like Dam Small Linux. Mikkel -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: I need help with Fedora
Kevin J. Cummings wrote: In general, if you don't know what you are doing then maybe Linux isn't for you? Oh please. Can you avoid that elitist attitude? There are new comers to Linux and Fedora all the time and not all of them are experts. These are valuable users to the community and we don't need to drive them away with statements like these. None of us were born with any of this knowledge anyway. Remember, you were a newbie too when you got started. Rahul -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
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Thanks Anne, Mikel, Kevin and Rahul for your valuable help. I guess, I am newbie to Linux but not to this computer world. Thank You all for ur help. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
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Rahul Sundaram wrote: Oh please. Can you avoid that elitist attitude? There are new comers to well said. as an added and side note about 'newbie' folks, do think you could influence anyone at redhat/fedora to set up email server to convert 'html' and 'base 64' to 'text/plain' before sending post back out to list? better yet, kick it back to senders with information on how to set their email handlers and on line email servers to 'text/plain'. then there will only be 'top posters'. i am thru cleaning it up on my end and have set filters to send all of it to 'trash'. -- tc,hago. g . in a free world without fences, who needs gates. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
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On Mon, 2008-07-21 at 02:28 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: Kevin J. Cummings wrote: In general, if you don't know what you are doing then maybe Linux isn't for you? Oh please. Can you avoid that elitist attitude? There are new comers to Linux and Fedora all the time and not all of them are experts. These are valuable users to the community and we don't need to drive them away with statements like these. None of us were born with any of this knowledge anyway. Remember, you were a newbie too when you got started. Hear, hear! Rahul -- Matthew Saltzman Clemson University Math Sciences mjs AT clemson DOT edu http://www.math.clemson.edu/~mjs -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
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Matthew Saltzman wrote: On Mon, 2008-07-21 at 02:28 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: Kevin J. Cummings wrote: In general, if you don't know what you are doing then maybe Linux isn't for you? Oh please. Can you avoid that elitist attitude? There are new comers to Linux and Fedora all the time and not all of them are experts. These are valuable users to the community and we don't need to drive them away with statements like these. None of us were born with any of this knowledge anyway. Remember, you were a newbie too when you got started. Hear, hear! Sorry guys, I was just trying to get him to make a decision on his own instead of asking for a handout. I told him to create some swap space and try again. I don't think he has. -- Kevin J. Cummings [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Registered Linux User #1232 (http://counter.li.org) -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: I need help with Fedora
On Mon, 2008-07-21 at 02:13 +0530, aakash sharma wrote: Dear Kevin Should I go with FEDORA or any other distribution? I like fedora because it's based on red hat and they are most trusted worldwide. Plus it's interface is quite cool. So, just guide me. The interface (desktop) IS quite cool with a meg or so of memory. It'll be slower than a turtle though, with 256K of memory, even if you have a meg or so of swap. Maybe you'd be better served with XFCE instead. It's minimal, but faster with low ram. I just installed CentOS to Mom's Machine which is an older PIII with a Cyrix chipset with 640K of memory. I fondly remember running RedHat on a 486 DX/2 66 with 32 megs of ram, but that was SOME time ago! Good luck! I tried installing Damn Small Linux from a live CD and that never made the trip either. BTW, an install of Kubuntu and Mandrake failed miserably on Mom's Machine, while CentOS installed without a burp in the barrel. You might give that a whirl if F8 or F9 don't do the job, yet want to use an RPM based distro. Good luck! Namaskar, Ric -- My father, Victor Moore (Vic) used to say: There are two Great Sins in the world... ..the Sin of Ignorance, and the Sin of Stupidity. Only the former may be overcome. R.I.P. Dad. Linux user# 44256 Sign up at: http://counter.li.org/ http://www.sourceforge.net/projects/oar https://oar.dev.java.net/ Verizon Cell # 336-254-1339 - -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
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On Sun, 2008-07-20 at 21:42 +0100, Anne Wilson wrote: Do you have Windows data in there|/ \if not, let the installer delete the partition. Linux partitions are best created with Linux tools, so again, do it in the installer. Whoops! Forgot to mention defragging the drive!! Gotta get everything moved to the front of the list of the drive, while in Windows, before partitioning it from Linux install. -- My father, Victor Moore (Vic) used to say: There are two Great Sins in the world... ..the Sin of Ignorance, and the Sin of Stupidity. Only the former may be overcome. R.I.P. Dad. Linux user# 44256 Sign up at: http://counter.li.org/ http://www.sourceforge.net/projects/oar https://oar.dev.java.net/ Verizon Cell # 336-254-1339 - -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
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Kevin J. Cummings wrote: Sorry guys, I was just trying to get him to make a decision on his own instead of asking for a handout. apologies accepted here. tho my acceptance is not of most concern, but of op. I told him to create some swap space and try again. I don't think he has. may be he has and just not replied. but as rahul stated, it is a good way to turn off the new and return them to oos. it is good to make suggestions, especially when adding to a reply by someone who knows better than to not mention same. it is difficult to think of all that is needed. i well know how it is to add what one thinks to be important. it makes you wonder if you are thinking in right direction. i am still holding a thread from another list that op seems like she is intentionally ignoring two of my suggestions that may well have cleared her problem. maybe not. i do not know, but i do know i will not do to my system what she, or someone else may, has done. both of my suggestions would bring her back up, one quicker than other. i replied to a post that had gone several days. maybe because it was a 'newbie' looking for a 'hand out' or just really did not care to go into detail that would be needed to solve problem so i replied in a way that i hope will help him and any other 'newbie'. op has not replied and there have not been any other replies. so maybe there are others in agreement to what i replied and maybe op is still doing as suggested. i do not know. what i do know is that if thread, 'How to control mount options on automounted devices ?' stays dead, i will archive it and forget about it. this is not meant as a belittlement towards you, just a hope that you remember, a newbie is a newbie. we all were, some of us admit we still are. i hope to always be. think how boring linux would be if it were like msbsos. later. -- tc,hago. g . in a free world without fences, who needs gates. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
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On Mon, 2008-07-21 at 00:44 +, g wrote: i am still holding a thread from another list that op seems like she is intentionally ignoring two of my suggestions that may well have cleared her problem. maybe not. i do not know, but i do know i will not do to my system what she, or someone else may, has done. both of my suggestions would bring her back up, one quicker than other. You see that from time to time (those who ask advice about something they claim they don't understand, but won't accept the advice). Sometimes you wonder if they're trolling, there's plenty of people who get their jollies from deliberately wasting other people's time. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]$ uname -r 2.6.25.10-86.fc9.i686 Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored. I read messages from the public lists. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
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On Sun, 2008-07-20 at 20:02 -0400, Kevin J. Cummings wrote: Matthew Saltzman wrote: On Mon, 2008-07-21 at 02:28 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: Kevin J. Cummings wrote: In general, if you don't know what you are doing then maybe Linux isn't for you? Oh please. Can you avoid that elitist attitude? There are new comers to Linux and Fedora all the time and not all of them are experts. These are valuable users to the community and we don't need to drive them away with statements like these. None of us were born with any of this knowledge anyway. Remember, you were a newbie too when you got started. Hear, hear! Sorry guys, I was just trying to get him to make a decision on his own instead of asking for a handout. I told him to create some swap space and try again. I don't think he has. When I first started using Linux, I bugged the living heck out of anyone and everyone for help. But, since I was doing the asking, I figured they had to know more than me, so I took their advice and was rarely steered wrong. Learning what questions to ask, so that I didn't get the RTFM reply, became an acquired skill. But, had I not gotten the RTFM more than once, I would have gotten lazy and dependent. Not RTFM and not taking freely given advice and using it, is a sure step towards disaster, as well as a total waste of every ones time. So, it's showing the love, geek style. Yet, diplomacy is the art of telling someone to fsck themselves while leaving them liking it! :) Ric -- My father, Victor Moore (Vic) used to say: There are two Great Sins in the world... ..the Sin of Ignorance, and the Sin of Stupidity. Only the former may be overcome. R.I.P. Dad. Linux user# 44256 Sign up at: http://counter.li.org/ http://www.sourceforge.net/projects/oar https://oar.dev.java.net/ Verizon Cell # 336-254-1339 - -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
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Tim wrote: You see that from time to time (those who ask advice about something they claim they don't understand, but won't accept the advice). in time, they are learned and ignored. Sometimes you wonder if they're trolling, there's plenty of people who get their jollies from deliberately wasting other people's time. and some to a point trying to come across as a 'bad ass' and making treats. -- tc,hago. g . in a free world without fences, who needs gates. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
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Ric Moore wrote: snip When I first started using Linux, I bugged the living heck out of anyone snip fsck themselves while leaving them liking it! :) Ric i am really going to enjoy checking f9 respin. i am going to see what all i can get into setting up my 2wire modem for wireless and then give kvm and xen a run. newbie time again. but i *do* know how to use 'google linux', so i will not be too hard you folks. ;o) later. -- tc,hago. g . in a free world without fences, who needs gates. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
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Ric Moore wrote:
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Whoops!
' also Forgot to mention defragging the drive!! '
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