Re: [Felvtalk] PETA's e-mail address
Someone wrote me that PETA believes eating of any meat is evil. Cats are meat eaters. Maybe that is it. I have now read that they are anti pets and want like to return to the way it was before humans interfered with animals. Cats were in the wild before so I don't understand why they hate ferals. They are just evil, evil people. Sharyl --- On Sun, 12/6/09, dlg...@windstream.net dlg...@windstream.net wrote: From: dlg...@windstream.net dlg...@windstream.net Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] PETA's e-mail address To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Cc: Diane Rosenfeldt drosenfe...@wi.rr.com Date: Sunday, December 6, 2009, 11:56 PM what is their big thing about cats? why do they hate them so? they don't want people to keep them as pets and yet they do not want ferals running about. they parade around screaming aobut people wearing fur coats, do they want to substitute cat fur for mink? Diane Rosenfeldt drosenfe...@wi.rr.com wrote: Aren't they vehemently opposed to any pet ownership at all? But I simply don't get why they would consider this treatment ethical -- nor how they can justify killing animals by saying they're saving them from future suffering that might never happen -- and in Sharyl's case, would NOT have happened. These people need slapping down. Diane R. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] PETA
PETA does not object to people having pets (owned pet kept inside). They object to people feeding strays or ferals. They round up all the strays and ferals they can and euthanize them. They also take cats from animal shelters and euthanize them. How absolutely infuriating that they ignored your e-mail and had the audacity to request a donation! On 12-06, dlg...@windstream.net wrote: i sent my angry email and got a request for money from them. they totally ignored my question. Diane Rosenfeldt drosenfe...@wi.rr.com wrote: Aren't they vehemently opposed to any pet ownership at all? But I simply don't get why they would consider this treatment ethical -- nor how they can justify killing animals by saying they're saving them from future suffering that might never happen -- and in Sharyl's case, would NOT have happened. These people need slapping down. Diane R. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] PETA
I understand that feeding ferals without doing anything else for them is irresponsible. But people who speuter and stabilize feral colonies shouldn't have to put up with PETA's arrogance. They are never going to make this a world of all-inside animals, what they should be doing is realizing that rather than killing animals under the excuse -- and it is just that -- that they're saving them from some future agony. Yes, the life of an outside feral can be short, and it hurts me that each and every one doesn't get the love they should be getting, but they should not be deprived of life just to fulfill this inflexible agenda. I helped trap two feral kittens in August, and tamed them down. At the moment one is lying 3 feet from me, and the other is on top of the cat tree. If I were sitting on the couch, one would certainly have come and flopped into my lap, and the other would be pushing my hand for pets. They couldn't be more trusting. It saddens me that PETA is depriving ferals of a chance at a future nice life with someone willing to put in a few months bonding time, or even a nice life being regularly fed in a colony, just because THEY think that all ferals do is suffer and die. Diane R. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lorrie Sent: Monday, December 07, 2009 7:01 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] PETA PETA does not object to people having pets (owned pet kept inside). They object to people feeding strays or ferals. They round up all the strays and ferals they can and euthanize them. They also take cats from animal shelters and euthanize them. How absolutely infuriating that they ignored your e-mail and had the audacity to request a donation! On 12-06, dlg...@windstream.net wrote: i sent my angry email and got a request for money from them. they totally ignored my question. Diane Rosenfeldt drosenfe...@wi.rr.com wrote: Aren't they vehemently opposed to any pet ownership at all? But I simply don't get why they would consider this treatment ethical -- nor how they can justify killing animals by saying they're saving them from future suffering that might never happen -- and in Sharyl's case, would NOT have happened. These people need slapping down. Diane R. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] OT:help w/post traumatic stress in cat?
Hello all, This is off-topic, and for that I apologize, but I figured with all the cat care-giving/rescuing experience of the people on this list, perhaps someone would have an answer for me. I took in stray tabby about 3 years ago. Had him neutered and vetted. He had/has many issues including being prone to kidney crystals and infections -which I think we have under control at the moment w/ cranberry powder additive to his food. He used to be very aggressive towards other cats (something for which my other cat still hasn't completely forgiven him for) and he truly believes himself to be a dog. He has no fear at ALL of people, cats or canines, -fetches toys, heels, comes when called and will go into his crate if you just mention it...(something even my DOG REFUSES to do!). But..there is one major obstacle to completely incorporating him into the household: he has night terrors. Because of his past aggression, he's separated in his own room whenever I'm not home at night, but I have been trying to get to the point where he can be allowed to sleep with us. Unfortunately, he has incredible nightmares where he BOLTS INTO THE AIR (we're talking sometimes 2-3 feet HIGH) from a dead sleep and FLEES until he hits something - usually a wall or piece of furniture- hard enough to wake him up. Then he sits all hunched up and blinking for a few minutes. If I go to him he immediately starts to purr and rolls over for a belly rub - only after head-butting me a few dozen times. I've had him to the vet thinking he was having painful spasms or something. All she could find were old injuries that looked like a car accident may have hit him in the hip area (all healed - he moves fine) and what appear to be 3 bebes still lodged in the back of his neck and shoulder area. She doesn't think they would be the cause of pain now...but both injuries tell something of the first year or two of his life. I've tried feline pheromones ...he still has the episodes. As much as I hate putting him in a room by himself at night, while the cat and dog and I share a bedwhen he freaks out at night- it sets off a chain reaction of the other cat going all hissy-spazzy and the dog barking and chasing one or both around the condo until he fully wakes up and calms down (I'm surprised my neighbors haven't complained yet!). (Not to mentionI've gotten kicked in the eye and face time and again as one or more of the animals flee from the shock of Mica's night terrors. Has anyone EVER experienced something like this that's on-going? Does anyone have ANY suggestions other than time? (He's been an indoor only cat for 3 years nowand while the dreams do seem to be getting lessat the current rate- he'll have to live well into his thirties until they are gone...-I'm not certain I could survive that! ;-) Thanks, Tamara, Tobias (yorkie), Coebeio (calico), Micatullyvhim (grey tabby) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] OT:help w/post traumatic stress in cat?
Tamara, I'm forwarding this individually to Mari as I know she has experience with this. She's on the list, but I think on digest and I want to make sure she sees this. Barb+Smoky the House Puma+El Bandito Malito My cat the clown: paying no mind to whom he should impress. Merely living his life, doing what pleases him, and making me smile. - Anonymous From: tamara stickler tlstick...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Mon, December 7, 2009 10:37:33 AM Subject: [Felvtalk] OT:help w/post traumatic stress in cat? Hello all, This is off-topic, and for that I apologize, but I figured with all the cat care-giving/rescuing experience of the people on this list, perhaps someone would have an answer for me. I took in stray tabby about 3 years ago. Had him neutered and vetted. He had/has many issues including being prone to kidney crystals and infections -which I think we have under control at the moment w/ cranberry powder additive to his food. He used to be very aggressive towards other cats (something for which my other cat still hasn't completely forgiven him for) and he truly believes himself to be a dog. He has no fear at ALL of people, cats or canines, -fetches toys, heels, comes when called and will go into his crate if you just mention it...(something even my DOG REFUSES to do!). But..there is one major obstacle to completely incorporating him into the household: he has night terrors. Because of his past aggression, he's separated in his own room whenever I'm not home at night, but I have been trying to get to the point where he can be allowed to sleep with us. Unfortunately, he has incredible nightmares where he BOLTS INTO THE AIR (we're talking sometimes 2-3 feet HIGH) from a dead sleep and FLEES until he hits something - usually a wall or piece of furniture- hard enough to wake him up. Then he sits all hunched up and blinking for a few minutes. If I go to him he immediately starts to purr and rolls over for a belly rub - only after head-butting me a few dozen times. I've had him to the vet thinking he was having painful spasms or something. All she could find were old injuries that looked like a car accident may have hit him in the hip area (all healed - he moves fine) and what appear to be 3 bebes still lodged in the back of his neck and shoulder area. She doesn't think they would be the cause of pain now...but both injuries tell something of the first year or two of his life. I've tried feline pheromones ...he still has the episodes. As much as I hate putting him in a room by himself at night, while the cat and dog and I share a bedwhen he freaks out at night- it sets off a chain reaction of the other cat going all hissy-spazzy and the dog barking and chasing one or both around the condo until he fully wakes up and calms down (I'm surprised my neighbors haven't complained yet!). (Not to mentionI've gotten kicked in the eye and face time and again as one or more of the animals flee from the shock of Mica's night terrors. Has anyone EVER experienced something like this that's on-going? Does anyone have ANY suggestions other than time? (He's been an indoor only cat for 3 years nowand while the dreams do seem to be getting lessat the current rate- he'll have to live well into his thirties until they are gone...-I'm not certain I could survive that! ;-) Thanks, Tamara, Tobias (yorkie), Coebeio (calico), Micatullyvhim (grey tabby) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] OT:help w/post traumatic stress in cat?
Tamara, I've never seen it in cats...but I HAVE seen it in peopleyou feel totally helpless to help, I'm sure. How about something like amytriptaline before bedtime? You can have it compounded into a transdemal application (where you just rub the prescribed amount into the inside of the ear so it's not as traumatic as pilling. I will be anxiously awaiting input here from others...poor little fellow Debbie (COL) Be kind, for everyone you meet is fighting a hard battle Philo Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2009 08:37:33 -0800 From: tlstick...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] OT:help w/post traumatic stress in cat? Hello all, This is off-topic, and for that I apologize, but I figured with all the cat care-giving/rescuing experience of the people on this list, perhaps someone would have an answer for me. I took in stray tabby about 3 years ago. Had him neutered and vetted. He had/has many issues including being prone to kidney crystals and infections -which I think we have under control at the moment w/ cranberry powder additive to his food. He used to be very aggressive towards other cats (something for which my other cat still hasn't completely forgiven him for) and he truly believes himself to be a dog. He has no fear at ALL of people, cats or canines, -fetches toys, heels, comes when called and will go into his crate if you just mention it...(something even my DOG REFUSES to do!). But..there is one major obstacle to completely incorporating him into the household: he has night terrors. Because of his past aggression, he's separated in his own room whenever I'm not home at night, but I have been trying to get to the point where he can be allowed to sleep with us. Unfortunately, he has incredible nightmares where he BOLTS INTO THE AIR (we're talking sometimes 2-3 feet HIGH) from a dead sleep and FLEES until he hits something - usually a wall or piece of furniture- hard enough to wake him up. Then he sits all hunched up and blinking for a few minutes. If I go to him he immediately starts to purr and rolls over for a belly rub - only after head-butting me a few dozen times. I've had him to the vet thinking he was having painful spasms or something. All she could find were old injuries that looked like a car accident may have hit him in the hip area (all healed - he moves fine) and what appear to be 3 bebes still lodged in the back of his neck and shoulder area. She doesn't think they would be the cause of pain now...but both injuries tell something of the first year or two of his life. I've tried feline pheromones ...he still has the episodes. As much as I hate putting him in a room by himself at night, while the cat and dog and I share a bedwhen he freaks out at night- it sets off a chain reaction of the other cat going all hissy-spazzy and the dog barking and chasing one or both around the condo until he fully wakes up and calms down (I'm surprised my neighbors haven't complained yet!). (Not to mentionI've gotten kicked in the eye and face time and again as one or more of the animals flee from the shock of Mica's night terrors. Has anyone EVER experienced something like this that's on-going? Does anyone have ANY suggestions other than time? (He's been an indoor only cat for 3 years nowand while the dreams do seem to be getting lessat the current rate- he'll have to live well into his thirties until they are gone...-I'm not certain I could survive that! ;-) Thanks, Tamara, Tobias (yorkie), Coebeio (calico), Micatullyvhim (grey tabby) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org _ Windows Live: Keep your friends up to date with what you do online. http://www.microsoft.com/middleeast/windows/windowslive/see-it-in-action/social-network-basics.aspx?ocid=PID23461::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-xm:SI_SB_1:092010 ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] OT:help w/post traumatic stress in cat?
If the pheremones don't work then talk to your vet about antianxiety meds, either prozac or elavil, at least for awhile till he begins to get over whatever is in his past. (I had one cat on prozac for years. It made all the difference in the world.) --- On Mon, 12/7/09, Barb Moermond mr_mok...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Barb Moermond mr_mok...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] OT:help w/post traumatic stress in cat? To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org, Mari meko...@mycomhouston.com, tlstick...@yahoo.com Date: Monday, December 7, 2009, 8:42 AM Tamara, I'm forwarding this individually to Mari as I know she has experience with this. She's on the list, but I think on digest and I want to make sure she sees this. Barb+Smoky the House Puma+El Bandito Malito My cat the clown: paying no mind to whom he should impress. Merely living his life, doing what pleases him, and making me smile. - Anonymous From: tamara stickler tlstick...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Mon, December 7, 2009 10:37:33 AM Subject: [Felvtalk] OT:help w/post traumatic stress in cat? Hello all, This is off-topic, and for that I apologize, but I figured with all the cat care-giving/rescuing experience of the people on this list, perhaps someone would have an answer for me. I took in stray tabby about 3 years ago. Had him neutered and vetted. He had/has many issues including being prone to kidney crystals and infections -which I think we have under control at the moment w/ cranberry powder additive to his food. He used to be very aggressive towards other cats (something for which my other cat still hasn't completely forgiven him for) and he truly believes himself to be a dog. He has no fear at ALL of people, cats or canines, -fetches toys, heels, comes when called and will go into his crate if you just mention it...(something even my DOG REFUSES to do!). But..there is one major obstacle to completely incorporating him into the household: he has night terrors. Because of his past aggression, he's separated in his own room whenever I'm not home at night, but I have been trying to get to the point where he can be allowed to sleep with us. Unfortunately, he has incredible nightmares where he BOLTS INTO THE AIR (we're talking sometimes 2-3 feet HIGH) from a dead sleep and FLEES until he hits something - usually a wall or piece of furniture- hard enough to wake him up. Then he sits all hunched up and blinking for a few minutes. If I go to him he immediately starts to purr and rolls over for a belly rub - only after head-butting me a few dozen times. I've had him to the vet thinking he was having painful spasms or something. All she could find were old injuries that looked like a car accident may have hit him in the hip area (all healed - he moves fine) and what appear to be 3 bebes still lodged in the back of his neck and shoulder area. She doesn't think they would be the cause of pain now...but both injuries tell something of the first year or two of his life. I've tried feline pheromones ...he still has the episodes. As much as I hate putting him in a room by himself at night, while the cat and dog and I share a bedwhen he freaks out at night- it sets off a chain reaction of the other cat going all hissy-spazzy and the dog barking and chasing one or both around the condo until he fully wakes up and calms down (I'm surprised my neighbors haven't complained yet!). (Not to mentionI've gotten kicked in the eye and face time and again as one or more of the animals flee from the shock of Mica's night terrors. Has anyone EVER experienced something like this that's on-going? Does anyone have ANY suggestions other than time? (He's been an indoor only cat for 3 years nowand while the dreams do seem to be getting lessat the current rate- he'll have to live well into his thirties until they are gone...-I'm not certain I could survive that! ;-) Thanks, Tamara, Tobias (yorkie), Coebeio (calico), Micatullyvhim (grey tabby) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] OT:help w/post traumatic stress in cat?
Wow, what a little survivor Mica is! Aside from the kitty Prozac, which sounds like a good idea, is there a way that you could sleep with just Mica for a while? Maybe being with you would calm his terrors a little, and if it's just you and him you won't have that chain reaction. The goal, of course, being you can all sleep together eventually, but taking baby steps. Or maybe this along with the tranks... I've never had this happen with a cat, but this would be my first instinct. Diane R. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of tamara stickler Sent: Monday, December 07, 2009 10:38 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] OT:help w/post traumatic stress in cat? Hello all, ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] OT:help w/post traumatic stress in cat?
i'm with the folks suggesting prozac/elavil--tho the other thing i'm wondering about is whether it could be a seizure disorder. another inactive member of this list has a CH (cerebellar hypoplasia) kitty who has seizures in her sleep. the other thing, tho with it happening in sleep isn't as likely, would be some sort of hyperesthesia syndrome resulting from the early trauma: there's a kitty who was set on fire when he was young, and his burns were never treated, and he has to be on depomedrol, or he turns into a mainely-coonie fiend if he is touched at all--it's almost as if the nerve pathways were knocked way out of whack, and didn't get rewired correctly. MC -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue (www.purebredcats.org) Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] OT:help w/post traumatic stress in cat?
ok... I suppose I will have to research the possiblity of seizures more closely. thx. --- On Mon, 12/7/09, MaryChristine twelvehousec...@gmail.com wrote: From: MaryChristine twelvehousec...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] OT:help w/post traumatic stress in cat? To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Monday, December 7, 2009, 2:39 PM i'm with the folks suggesting prozac/elavil--tho the other thing i'm wondering about is whether it could be a seizure disorder. another inactive member of this list has a CH (cerebellar hypoplasia) kitty who has seizures in her sleep. the other thing, tho with it happening in sleep isn't as likely, would be some sort of hyperesthesia syndrome resulting from the early trauma: there's a kitty who was set on fire when he was young, and his burns were never treated, and he has to be on depomedrol, or he turns into a mainely-coonie fiend if he is touched at all--it's almost as if the nerve pathways were knocked way out of whack, and didn't get rewired correctly. MC -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue (www.purebredcats.org) Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] OT:help w/post traumatic stress in cat?
Seizures only when the cat is sleeping would seem unlikely. I had an epileptic cat and her seizures were always when she was awake. --- On Mon, 12/7/09, tamara stickler tlstick...@yahoo.com wrote: From: tamara stickler tlstick...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] OT:help w/post traumatic stress in cat? To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Monday, December 7, 2009, 12:19 PM ok... I suppose I will have to research the possiblity of seizures more closely. thx. --- On Mon, 12/7/09, MaryChristine twelvehousec...@gmail.com wrote: From: MaryChristine twelvehousec...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] OT:help w/post traumatic stress in cat? To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Monday, December 7, 2009, 2:39 PM i'm with the folks suggesting prozac/elavil--tho the other thing i'm wondering about is whether it could be a seizure disorder. another inactive member of this list has a CH (cerebellar hypoplasia) kitty who has seizures in her sleep. the other thing, tho with it happening in sleep isn't as likely, would be some sort of hyperesthesia syndrome resulting from the early trauma: there's a kitty who was set on fire when he was young, and his burns were never treated, and he has to be on depomedrol, or he turns into a mainely-coonie fiend if he is touched at all--it's almost as if the nerve pathways were knocked way out of whack, and didn't get rewired correctly. MC -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue (www.purebredcats.org) Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] OT:help w/post traumatic stress in cat?-Diane R
survivor - yes...Little - HA! if ONLY! ;-) Unfortunately, no, I can't arrange so he gets quality time at night. The dog, also a rescue, suffers from separation anxietyif I were to lock him out of the room - he'd howl all night and pee on everything! (much as he does ALL DAY when I'm at work!) plus both Tobias-Rat (the dog) Coebieo (the other cat) have IBDstressful situations, changes in routine triggers an attack.Micatullyvhim is my healthy one! And lastly...when he boltshe does so blindly. I've been scratched in the eyeball from one of his back claws as he fled across my face, slammed in the head by his head as he bolted from the couch (I was sitting in front of it on the floor). I'd like not to go to bed having to wear a helmet and pads! The good thing is, I suppose, that he doesn't seem to NEED me to get comfortable or to sleep or feel safe. That has come from his independant nature to begin with and from the last three years of having his own room at night. It's only been the last year and a half where I've let him into the rest of the condo ALL DAY when I'm home. But his aggression with Coebeio (a much older and smaller - only 7-8 pounds compared to his 18lb. frame) is improvingalthough I can't wait for the day when he FINALLY STOPS being a pain in the arse with her! The tully part of his name comes from the nerdy character played by Rick Moranis in Ghostbusters who used to annoy Sigorny Weaver's character...(and just like that character, Mica used to open doors constantly, only to lock himself on the wrong side!). Much of the night those first few months was spent rescuing him from closets and cabinets that he had managed to get into only to have them close back on him locking him insidewhere of course he'd mew in that tiny cat voice of his CONTINUOUSLY like some kind of cat variation of Chinese water torture, until I came to free him! I finally had to put child-proof locks on everything! Thanks for the imput tho! T --- On Mon, 12/7/09, Diane Rosenfeldt drosenfe...@wi.rr.com wrote: From: Diane Rosenfeldt drosenfe...@wi.rr.com Wow, what a little survivor Mica is! is there a way that you could sleep with just Mica for a while? Maybe being with you would calm his terrors a little, and if it's just you and him you won't have that chain reaction. Diane R. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] OT:help w/post traumatic stress in cat?
I know there is a sleeping disorder with people where their bodies fail to properly paralize them while they dream -which results in sleepwalking. I wonder if this could be what is happening in Mica's case...?? --- On Mon, 12/7/09, Susan Hoffman susan_hoff...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Susan Hoffman susan_hoff...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] OT:help w/post traumatic stress in cat? To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Monday, December 7, 2009, 3:33 PM Seizures only when the cat is sleeping would seem unlikely. I had an epileptic cat and her seizures were always when she was awake. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] OT:help w/post traumatic stress in cat?-Diane R
I may get jeered at but.have you tried an animal communicator? On Dec 7, 2009, at 2:47 PM, tamara stickler wrote: survivor - yes...Little - HA! if ONLY! ;-) Unfortunately, no, I can't arrange so he gets quality time at night. The dog, also a rescue, suffers from separation anxietyif I were to lock him out of the room - he'd howl all night and pee on everything! (much as he does ALL DAY when I'm at work!) plus both Tobias-Rat (the dog) Coebieo (the other cat) have IBDstressful situations, changes in routine triggers an attack.Micatullyvhim is my healthy one! And lastly...when he boltshe does so blindly. I've been scratched in the eyeball from one of his back claws as he fled across my face, slammed in the head by his head as he bolted from the couch (I was sitting in front of it on the floor). I'd like not to go to bed having to wear a helmet and pads! The good thing is, I suppose, that he doesn't seem to NEED me to get comfortable or to sleep or feel safe. That has come from his independant nature to begin with and from the last three years of having his own room at night. It's only been the last year and a half where I've let him into the rest of the condo ALL DAY when I'm home. But his aggression with Coebeio (a much older and smaller - only 7-8 pounds compared to his 18lb. frame) is improvingalthough I can't wait for the day when he FINALLY STOPS being a pain in the arse with her! The tully part of his name comes from the nerdy character played by Rick Moranis in Ghostbusters who used to annoy Sigorny Weaver's character...(and just like that character, Mica used to open doors constantly, only to lock himself on the wrong side!). Much of the night those first few months was spent rescuing him from closets and cabinets that he had managed to get into only to have them close back on him locking him insidewhere of course he'd mew in that tiny cat voice of his CONTINUOUSLY like some kind of cat variation of Chinese water torture, until I came to free him! I finally had to put child-proof locks on everything! Thanks for the imput tho! T --- On Mon, 12/7/09, Diane Rosenfeldt drosenfe...@wi.rr.com wrote: From: Diane Rosenfeldt drosenfe...@wi.rr.com Wow, what a little survivor Mica is! is there a way that you could sleep with just Mica for a while? Maybe being with you would calm his terrors a little, and if it's just you and him you won't have that chain reaction. Diane R. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] OT:help w/post traumatic stress in cat?
Jeepers. I'm so sorry for this cat! I have a FIV+ named Whitey who'd been hit by a car a few winters ago. Disappeared for a week, feeders thought he was dead. Long story short, he now lives in my bedroom (only because he doesn't play nice with others) but oh boy, does he love us. Broken jaw and paralysis on one side of his face. Can not open his mouth more than a quarter of an inch. He is physically a little akward, too. For two years at least, he startled awake out of a sound sleep when hearing a loud car or truck. NOT jumping as high as your kitty, and he doesn't have beebees in him, but now he is starting to relax more, and sleep through loud motor noises. There's a drug called cyproheptadine (maybe used for allergies?) we use sometimes to relax just a little, maybe at night would be a good time. Also increases appetite, sort of useful for cancer patients. Also, Bach flower rememdies come in more than rescue rememdy, although rescue rememdy might do it.If you go to a health food store, or online, you can pick out a few to use in his water that may fit his issues. Janine From: Susan Hoffman susan_hoff...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org; Mari meko...@mycomhouston.com; tlstick...@yahoo.com Sent: Mon, December 7, 2009 11:50:58 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] OT:help w/post traumatic stress in cat? If the pheremones don't work then talk to your vet about antianxiety meds, either prozac or elavil, at least for awhile till he begins to get over whatever is in his past. (I had one cat on prozac for years. It made all the difference in the world.) --- On Mon, 12/7/09, Barb Moermond mr_mok...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Barb Moermond mr_mok...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] OT:help w/post traumatic stress in cat? To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org, Mari meko...@mycomhouston.com, tlstick...@yahoo.com Date: Monday, December 7, 2009, 8:42 AM Tamara, I'm forwarding this individually to Mari as I know she has experience with this. She's on the list, but I think on digest and I want to make sure she sees this. Barb+Smoky the House Puma+El Bandito Malito My cat the clown: paying no mind to whom he should impress. Merely living his life, doing what pleases him, and making me smile. - Anonymous From: tamara stickler tlstick...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Mon, December 7, 2009 10:37:33 AM Subject: [Felvtalk] OT:help w/post traumatic stress in cat? Hello all, This is off-topic, and for that I apologize, but I figured with all the cat care-giving/rescuing experience of the people on this list, perhaps someone would have an answer for me. I took in stray tabby about 3 years ago. Had him neutered and vetted. He had/has many issues including being prone to kidney crystals and infections -which I think we have under control at the moment w/ cranberry powder additive to his food. He used to be very aggressive towards other cats (something for which my other cat still hasn't completely forgiven him for) and he truly believes himself to be a dog. He has no fear at ALL of people, cats or canines, -fetches toys, heels, comes when called and will go into his crate if you just mention it...(something even my DOG REFUSES to do!). But..there is one major obstacle to completely incorporating him into the household: he has night terrors. Because of his past aggression, he's separated in his own room whenever I'm not home at night, but I have been trying to get to the point where he can be allowed to sleep with us. Unfortunately, he has incredible nightmares where he BOLTS INTO THE AIR (we're talking sometimes 2-3 feet HIGH) from a dead sleep and FLEES until he hits something - usually a wall or piece of furniture- hard enough to wake him up. Then he sits all hunched up and blinking for a few minutes. If I go to him he immediately starts to purr and rolls over for a belly rub - only after head-butting me a few dozen times. I've had him to the vet thinking he was having painful spasms or something. All she could find were old injuries that looked like a car accident may have hit him in the hip area (all healed - he moves fine) and what appear to be 3 bebes still lodged in the back of his neck and shoulder area. She doesn't think they would be the cause of pain now...but both injuries tell something of the first year or two of his life. I've tried feline pheromones ...he still has the episodes. As much as I hate putting him in a room by himself at night, while the cat and dog and I share a bedwhen he freaks out at night- it sets off a chain reaction of the other cat going all hissy-spazzy and the dog barking and chasing one or both around the condo until he fully wakes up and calms down (I'm surprised my neighbors haven't complained yet!). (Not to mentionI've gotten kicked in the eye
Re: [Felvtalk] OT:help w/post traumatic stress in cat?
Thanks Janine, Tried the cypro...WOW what a MISTAKE! Mica mewed CONSTANTLY while on it...-no exaggeration - with EVERY exhale he'd meow. Luckily he has a very soft voice, but still I thought I was going to go BATTY! The only time he shut up was when he slept...and he had the night terrors even then. Plus he gained like 7 lbs over the course of three months. I think that's the main reason I'm so worried about mood elevators with him. He was on cypro for his asthma. Now I just give steriods whenever he has a bad bout and he has to deal with it otherwise. I had a BIG fall-out with the one vet over taking him off cypro. It was only when I let her keep him for 10 hrs. one day did she get it. Tell Whitey he's not alone! Poor guy. thx! --- On Mon, 12/7/09, janine paton patonjan...@sbcglobal.net wrote: From: janine paton patonjan...@sbcglobal.net Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] OT:help w/post traumatic stress in cat? To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Monday, December 7, 2009, 5:11 PM Jeepers. I'm so sorry for this cat! I have a FIV+ named Whitey who'd been hit by a car a few winters ago. Disappeared for a week, feeders thought he was dead. Long story short, he now lives in my bedroom (only because he doesn't play nice with others) but oh boy, does he love us. Broken jaw and paralysis on one side of his face. Can not open his mouth more than a quarter of an inch. He is physically a little akward, too. For two years at least, he startled awake out of a sound sleep when hearing a loud car or truck. NOT jumping as high as your kitty, and he doesn't have beebees in him, but now he is starting to relax more, and sleep through loud motor noises. There's a drug called cyproheptadine (maybe used for allergies?) we use sometimes to relax just a little, maybe at night would be a good time. Also increases appetite, sort of useful for cancer patients. Also, Bach flower rememdies come in more than rescue rememdy, although rescue rememdy might do it. If you go to a health food store, or online, you can pick out a few to use in his water that may fit his issues. Janine From: Susan Hoffman susan_hoff...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org; Mari meko...@mycomhouston.com; tlstick...@yahoo.com Sent: Mon, December 7, 2009 11:50:58 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] OT:help w/post traumatic stress in cat? If the pheremones don't work then talk to your vet about antianxiety meds, either prozac or elavil, at least for awhile till he begins to get over whatever is in his past. (I had one cat on prozac for years. It made all the difference in the world.) --- On Mon, 12/7/09, Barb Moermond mr_mok...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Barb Moermond mr_mok...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] OT:help w/post traumatic stress in cat? To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org, Mari meko...@mycomhouston.com, tlstick...@yahoo.com Date: Monday, December 7, 2009, 8:42 AM Tamara, I'm forwarding this individually to Mari as I know she has experience with this. She's on the list, but I think on digest and I want to make sure she sees this. Barb+Smoky the House Puma+El Bandito Malito My cat the clown: paying no mind to whom he should impress. Merely living his life, doing what pleases him, and making me smile. - Anonymous From: tamara stickler tlstick...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Mon, December 7, 2009 10:37:33 AM Subject: [Felvtalk] OT:help w/post traumatic stress in cat? Hello all, This is off-topic, and for that I apologize, but I figured with all the cat care-giving/rescuing experience of the people on this list, perhaps someone would have an answer for me. I took in stray tabby about 3 years ago. Had him neutered and vetted. He had/has many issues including being prone to kidney crystals and infections -which I think we have under control at the moment w/ cranberry powder additive to his food. He used to be very aggressive towards other cats (something for which my other cat still hasn't completely forgiven him for) and he truly believes himself to be a dog. He has no fear at ALL of people, cats or canines, -fetches toys, heels, comes when called and will go into his crate if you just mention it...(something even my DOG REFUSES to do!). But..there is one major obstacle to completely incorporating him into the household: he has night terrors. Because of his past aggression, he's separated in his own room whenever I'm not home at night, but I have been trying to get to the point where he can be allowed to sleep with us. Unfortunately, he has incredible nightmares where he BOLTS INTO THE AIR (we're talking sometimes 2-3 feet HIGH) from a dead sleep and FLEES until he hits something - usually a wall or piece of furniture- hard enough to wake him up. Then he sits all hunched up and blinking for a few minutes. If I go to him he
Re: [Felvtalk] OT:help w/post traumatic stress in cat?
Don't know if it's the same thing-but my Little Boy has these episodes when he's sound asleep where he's start twiching and bolts in the air usually throwing himself off the bed or chair or whatever he's on. He's sound asleep when it happens poor thing is all perplexed when he suddenly wakes up on the floor or wherever he landed. I took him to my vet a neurologist but nobody seems to be able to tell me what it is. Could be mild seizures-he's always been a bit clutzy when I brought him in, my vet thought he clutzyness might have been related to his mother maybe having had distemper. The signs were real weak so no special care needed. Sometimes, Little Boy scares me cause he really likes to get up high I worry about him hurting himself when he falls. Christiane Biagi -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of tamara stickler Sent: Monday, December 07, 2009 11:38 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] OT:help w/post traumatic stress in cat? Hello all, This is off-topic, and for that I apologize, but I figured with all the cat care-giving/rescuing experience of the people on this list, perhaps someone would have an answer for me. I took in stray tabby about 3 years ago. Had him neutered and vetted. He had/has many issues including being prone to kidney crystals and infections -which I think we have under control at the moment w/ cranberry powder additive to his food. He used to be very aggressive towards other cats (something for which my other cat still hasn't completely forgiven him for) and he truly believes himself to be a dog. He has no fear at ALL of people, cats or canines, -fetches toys, heels, comes when called and will go into his crate if you just mention it...(something even my DOG REFUSES to do!). But..there is one major obstacle to completely incorporating him into the household: he has night terrors. Because of his past aggression, he's separated in his own room whenever I'm not home at night, but I have been trying to get to the point where he can be allowed to sleep with us. Unfortunately, he has incredible nightmares where he BOLTS INTO THE AIR (we're talking sometimes 2-3 feet HIGH) from a dead sleep and FLEES until he hits something - usually a wall or piece of furniture- hard enough to wake him up. Then he sits all hunched up and blinking for a few minutes. If I go to him he immediately starts to purr and rolls over for a belly rub - only after head-butting me a few dozen times. I've had him to the vet thinking he was having painful spasms or something. All she could find were old injuries that looked like a car accident may have hit him in the hip area (all healed - he moves fine) and what appear to be 3 bebes still lodged in the back of his neck and shoulder area. She doesn't think they would be the cause of pain now...but both injuries tell something of the first year or two of his life. I've tried feline pheromones ...he still has the episodes. As much as I hate putting him in a room by himself at night, while the cat and dog and I share a bedwhen he freaks out at night- it sets off a chain reaction of the other cat going all hissy-spazzy and the dog barking and chasing one or both around the condo until he fully wakes up and calms down (I'm surprised my neighbors haven't complained yet!). (Not to mentionI've gotten kicked in the eye and face time and again as one or more of the animals flee from the shock of Mica's night terrors. Has anyone EVER experienced something like this that's on-going? Does anyone have ANY suggestions other than time? (He's been an indoor only cat for 3 years nowand while the dreams do seem to be getting lessat the current rate- he'll have to live well into his thirties until they are gone...-I'm not certain I could survive that! ;-) Thanks, Tamara, Tobias (yorkie), Coebeio (calico), Micatullyvhim (grey tabby) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] OT:help w/post traumatic stress in cat?-Diane R
Tamara, you've gotten a lot of advise. I've had a lot of cats do strange things but nothing like Mica's night terrors. If you tried the Feliway diffusers and it didn't help I'm not sure what else you can do. A low dose of Prozac before bedtime might be the answer. Sharyl On Dec 7, 2009, at 2:47 PM, tamara stickler wrote: survivor - yes...Little - HA! if ONLY! ;-) Unfortunately, no, I can't arrange so he gets quality time at night. The dog, also a rescue, suffers from separation anxietyif I were to lock him out of the room - he'd howl all night and pee on everything! (much as he does ALL DAY when I'm at work!) plus both Tobias-Rat (the dog) Coebieo (the other cat) have IBDstressful situations, changes in routine triggers an attack.Micatullyvhim is my healthy one! And lastly...when he boltshe does so blindly. I've been scratched in the eyeball from one of his back claws as he fled across my face, slammed in the head by his head as he bolted from the couch (I was sitting in front of it on the floor). I'd like not to go to bed having to wear a helmet and pads! The good thing is, I suppose, that he doesn't seem to NEED me to get comfortable or to sleep or feel safe. That has come from his independant nature to begin with and from the last three years of having his own room at night. It's only been the last year and a half where I've let him into the rest of the condo ALL DAY when I'm home. But his aggression with Coebeio (a much older and smaller - only 7-8 pounds compared to his 18lb. frame) is improvingalthough I can't wait for the day when he FINALLY STOPS being a pain in the arse with her! The tully part of his name comes from the nerdy character played by Rick Moranis in Ghostbusters who used to annoy Sigorny Weaver's character...(and just like that character, Mica used to open doors constantly, only to lock himself on the wrong side!). Much of the night those first few months was spent rescuing him from closets and cabinets that he had managed to get into only to have them close back on him locking him insidewhere of course he'd mew in that tiny cat voice of his CONTINUOUSLY like some kind of cat variation of Chinese water torture, until I came to free him! I finally had to put child-proof locks on everything! Thanks for the imput tho! T --- On Mon, 12/7/09, Diane Rosenfeldt drosenfe...@wi.rr.com wrote: From: Diane Rosenfeldt drosenfe...@wi.rr.com Wow, what a little survivor Mica is! is there a way that you could sleep with just Mica for a while? Maybe being with you would calm his terrors a little, and if it's just you and him you won't have that chain reaction. Diane R. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] OT:help w/post traumatic stress in cat?-Diane R
I would lean more towards Elavil, I think. But a lot depends on why the cat is doing this, whether it is physical or psychological. --- On Mon, 12/7/09, Sharyl cline...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Sharyl cline...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] OT:help w/post traumatic stress in cat?-Diane R To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Monday, December 7, 2009, 3:36 PM Tamara, you've gotten a lot of advise. I've had a lot of cats do strange things but nothing like Mica's night terrors. If you tried the Feliway diffusers and it didn't help I'm not sure what else you can do. A low dose of Prozac before bedtime might be the answer. Sharyl On Dec 7, 2009, at 2:47 PM, tamara stickler wrote: survivor - yes...Little - HA! if ONLY! ;-) Unfortunately, no, I can't arrange so he gets quality time at night. The dog, also a rescue, suffers from separation anxietyif I were to lock him out of the room - he'd howl all night and pee on everything! (much as he does ALL DAY when I'm at work!) plus both Tobias-Rat (the dog) Coebieo (the other cat) have IBDstressful situations, changes in routine triggers an attack.Micatullyvhim is my healthy one! And lastly...when he boltshe does so blindly. I've been scratched in the eyeball from one of his back claws as he fled across my face, slammed in the head by his head as he bolted from the couch (I was sitting in front of it on the floor). I'd like not to go to bed having to wear a helmet and pads! The good thing is, I suppose, that he doesn't seem to NEED me to get comfortable or to sleep or feel safe. That has come from his independant nature to begin with and from the last three years of having his own room at night. It's only been the last year and a half where I've let him into the rest of the condo ALL DAY when I'm home. But his aggression with Coebeio (a much older and smaller - only 7-8 pounds compared to his 18lb. frame) is improvingalthough I can't wait for the day when he FINALLY STOPS being a pain in the arse with her! The tully part of his name comes from the nerdy character played by Rick Moranis in Ghostbusters who used to annoy Sigorny Weaver's character...(and just like that character, Mica used to open doors constantly, only to lock himself on the wrong side!). Much of the night those first few months was spent rescuing him from closets and cabinets that he had managed to get into only to have them close back on him locking him insidewhere of course he'd mew in that tiny cat voice of his CONTINUOUSLY like some kind of cat variation of Chinese water torture, until I came to free him! I finally had to put child-proof locks on everything! Thanks for the imput tho! T --- On Mon, 12/7/09, Diane Rosenfeldt drosenfe...@wi.rr.com wrote: From: Diane Rosenfeldt drosenfe...@wi.rr.com Wow, what a little survivor Mica is! is there a way that you could sleep with just Mica for a while? Maybe being with you would calm his terrors a little, and if it's just you and him you won't have that chain reaction. Diane R. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] I Hate PETA
Sharyl, I am so sorry about Butterball and Smoky Jo. And God, I hate PETA too, for so many reasons, this one above all They are a bunch of kooks. They are way over the top, and it would be really nice if we could exterminate anyone in PETA who is not in perfect health. Maybe then they would finally get the message. I can't imagine how you feel, and if I were in your shoes, I'm not sure I would be sane enough for a while to make any rational decisions because I would be so angry, I wouldn't know what to do with myself. Nothing angers me more than innocent animals being harmed. Again, I'm so sorry... Wendy Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ From: Sharyl cline...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thu, December 3, 2009 1:51:08 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] I Hate PETA Thnksgiving Day I finally trapped Smoky Jo in the dumpster colony I feed. Then Sunday I trapped Butterball. A new group is organizing here on the Eastern Shore to help with low cost speutering of ferals. Wed. the PETA SNIPS van came to speuter pets ($45) and ferals (#25). I took Smokey Jo and Butterball. My other low cost speutering place had fallen through and the only other option is $200 per cat at the animal hospital. I knew PETA sucks but had no idea how bad. The release form I signed said they could kill any animal testing positive for FeLV or FIV. I explained to the vet I would sanctuary them if they tested positive in my garage/cat enclosure. She checked with her supervisor and told me no exceptions. I should have left then but both of mine seemed healthy. When I went to pick them up I found out they had killed both Smoky Jo and Butterball!! I am devastated. PETA has a real problem with feral cats. The only way they'll let their van spay/neuter ferals is if all who test positive for FeLV or FIV are killed. PETA's way of exterminating ferals I guess. Smoky Jo tested positive for FeLV and Butterball for FIV. What really burns me is the SNAP test used is not 100% for FeLV. Don't know about FIV. But FIV is generally spread by deep bites. Once Butterball was fixed he wouldn't be fighting anymore. Just PETA's way of 'thinning the herd' I guess. Then they kept my money. Needless to say I won't be going back unless I find a way around the PETA policy. The Spay the Shore guy is going to try and find a vet to pre-test any future ferals I trap. Then if they are positive for either I'll have to find some other way to have them fixed. I'm broken hearted. Those two kitties trusted me to do right by them. Neither was ill. And now they are gone. It rained all the way home. Almost like the heavens were crying with me for them. Please consider what PETA stands for before donating any money to them. Sharyl ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] PETA's e-mail address
With that line of thinking, I guess PETA also believes that people with AIDS or inoperable/untreatable cancer should also be put out of their misery too... Ridiculous! I am p_ssed right now! :( Wendy Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ From: Diane Rosenfeldt drosenfe...@wi.rr.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Fri, December 4, 2009 9:13:22 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] PETA's e-mail address Aren't they vehemently opposed to any pet ownership at all? But I simply don't get why they would consider this treatment ethical -- nor how they can justify killing animals by saying they're saving them from future suffering that might never happen -- and in Sharyl's case, would NOT have happened. These people need slapping down. Diane R. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Laurieskatz Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 5:10 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] PETA's e-mail address What was their reason for this/ did they give one? Unconscionable act. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of MaryChristine Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 5:07 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] PETA's e-mail address well, actually, as some folks have hinted at, they are just as bad about household cats as they are about ferals. these folks are NOT friends to animals--anyone have links to the VA case where they were taking adoptables from shelters, supposedly to adopt them out, then euthing them in the back of their van--and leaving the bodies in shopping mall dumpsters? i think the only thing they ended up convicted of was possession of drugs without a license or something similar, as animals are just property, after all, with no intrinsic value. -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue (www.purebredcats.org) Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
