Re: [flexcoders] Article on Cairngorm for Fusion Authority
On Wed, May 10, 2006 at 5:55 PM, in message [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: cairngrom99.zip download. There are quite a few differences between Cg .99 and the newer Cg 2 beta framework as well as several code differences in the samples that don't work in F2B2 or 3 without some tweaking. I can't see everyone on the released Flex 1.5 automatically upgrading to Flex 2 (even for new-start projects) when it comes out of alpha/beta. Tom Chiverton This email is sent for and on behalf of Halliwells LLP. Halliwells LLP is a limited liability partnership registered in England and Wales under registered number OC307980 whose registered office address is at St James's Court Brown Street Manchester M2 2JF. A list of members is available for inspection at the registered office. Any reference to a partner in relation to Halliwells LLP means a member of Halliwells LLP. Regulated by the Law Society. CONFIDENTIALITY This email is intended only for the use of the addressee named above and may be confidential or legally privileged. If you are not the addressee you must not read it and must not use any information contained in nor copy it nor inform any person other than Halliwells LLP or the addressee of its existence or contents. If you have received this email in error please delete it and notify Halliwells LLP IT Department on 0870 365 8008. For more information about Halliwells LLP visit www.halliwells.com. We are pleased to announce that Halliwells LLP has been voted AIM Lawyer of the Year at the 2005 Growth Company Awards -- Flexcoders Mailing List FAQ: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/files/flexcodersFAQ.txt Search Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com SPONSORED LINKS Web site design development Computer software development Software design and development Macromedia flex Software development best practice YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "flexcoders" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
RE: [flexcoders] Article on Cairngorm for Fusion Authority
Guys, All good feedback on the devnet articles. The intent of the 0.99 based articles was to provide some guidance on where you would use the patterns, why you'd employ the framework, and to get everyone into a cairngorm mode of thinking when deciding how to build your applications. I believe that can be achieved irrespective of the naunces between versions, and it made more sense to explain these concepts around the stable platform that isn't going to change between beta releases. When Flex 2 ships, we'll certainly provide even more guidance around Flex 2 and Cairngorm 2; expect fully updated samples from us (in fact, you'll probably see these sooner rather than later), Cairngorm 2 specific docs, and any followup devnet articles that we see necessary. As many of you are welcomed to this brave new world of RIA development with Flex, and with Flex and Cairngorm, I'm absolutely open to suggestions for articles/whitepapers/blog-entries that the Adobe Consulting team could provide, that would help you be more successful in your own developments. Please feel free to drop me a note off-list, and the team here will focus it's effort around the needs of our community. In the absence of specific and vocal requests, the articles/blogs/guidance that we share will be borne from our experiences consulting in the field. I look forward to your suggestions. Best, Steven -- Steven Webster Practice Director (Rich Internet Applications) Adobe Consulting Westpoint, 4 Redheughs Rigg, South Gyle, Edinburgh, EH12 9DQ, UK p: +44 (0) 131 338 6108 m: +44 (0) 7917 428 947 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Flexcoders Mailing List FAQ: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/files/flexcodersFAQ.txt Search Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com SPONSORED LINKS Web site design development Computer software development Software design and development Macromedia flex Software development best practice YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "flexcoders" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [flexcoders] Article on Cairngorm for Fusion Authority
Wow! Seriously? That amazes me. We never would have adopted Flex 1.5 at it's current price model... and it is 1.5 - just slightly more mature than a version 1.0, and our company rarely ever adopts version 1 of anything for use at an enterprise level. I would think that the more mature, less expensive Flex 2.0 would be the most desirable path. I know that we'll be employing it all over the place once it's out of beta. My web team has no desire to even look at 1.5 now that 2.0 is on the way. Darren From: Tom Chiverton [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [flexcoders] Article on Cairngorm for Fusion Authority Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 09:07:47 +0100 I can't see everyone on the released Flex 1.5 automatically upgrading to Flex 2 (even for new-start projects) when it comes out of alpha/beta. Tom Chiverton -- Flexcoders Mailing List FAQ: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/files/flexcodersFAQ.txt Search Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com SPONSORED LINKS Web site design development Computer software development Software design and development Macromedia flex Software development best practice YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "flexcoders" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [flexcoders] Article on Cairngorm for Fusion Authority
On Thu, May 11, 2006 at 2:08 PM, in message [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My web team has no desire to even look at 1.5 now that 2.0 is on the way. Ahh, where as we *did* pay $silly for Flex 1.5 :-) We'll *probably* move to 2.0 for new-build once it's out, but that's some random amount of time away and we have stuff to write *now* :-) Tom Chiverton This email is sent for and on behalf of Halliwells LLP. Halliwells LLP is a limited liability partnership registered in England and Wales under registered number OC307980 whose registered office address is at St James's Court Brown Street Manchester M2 2JF. A list of members is available for inspection at the registered office. Any reference to a partner in relation to Halliwells LLP means a member of Halliwells LLP. Regulated by the Law Society. CONFIDENTIALITY This email is intended only for the use of the addressee named above and may be confidential or legally privileged. If you are not the addressee you must not read it and must not use any information contained in nor copy it nor inform any person other than Halliwells LLP or the addressee of its existence or contents. If you have received this email in error please delete it and notify Halliwells LLP IT Department on 0870 365 8008. For more information about Halliwells LLP visit www.halliwells.com. We are pleased to announce that Halliwells LLP has been voted AIM Lawyer of the Year at the 2005 Growth Company Awards -- Flexcoders Mailing List FAQ: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/files/flexcodersFAQ.txt Search Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com SPONSORED LINKS Web site design development Computer software development Software design and development Macromedia flex Software development best practice YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "flexcoders" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [flexcoders] Article on Cairngorm for Fusion Authority
Tom, This might be kind of a moot point now with the new pricing structure, but... when my company originally contacted Macromedia for Flex 1.5 pricing information they told us that it was X thousand dollars per processor *per application*. So every time you deployed another Flex app it was supposed to cost more. Unless your company (Halliwells?) purchased some higher level of Flex 1.5 that allowed them to deploy as many Flex 1.5 apps as they want, they wouldn't be able to develop and deploy an unlimited number of apps without paying more and more... but that's gone in 2.0. So... although your company might be entrenched in 1.5 I wouldn't think that's the case with the majority of companies using 1.5. Of course, that's just a guess. I'd be interested to know (as I'm sure Adobe would be too) how many people plan to move to 2.0 when it's released and how many will stay on 1.5 because of currently deployed enterprise apps they need to maintain. My gut feeling is that if you graphed it you'd see a ramp weighted towards Flex 2.0... a few will stay on 1.5 with no plans to migrate... a bunch will run both, possibly migrating their solid apps from 1.5 to 2.0 over time... and a huge number will jump on 2.0 when it's released. Darren From: Tom Chiverton [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [flexcoders] Article on Cairngorm for Fusion Authority Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 14:30:26 +0100 On Thu, May 11, 2006 at 2:08 PM, in message [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My web team has no desire to even look at 1.5 now that 2.0 is on the way. Ahh, where as we *did* pay $silly for Flex 1.5 :-) We'll *probably* move to 2.0 for new-build once it's out, but that's some random amount of time away and we have stuff to write *now* :-) Tom Chiverton -- Flexcoders Mailing List FAQ: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/files/flexcodersFAQ.txt Search Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com SPONSORED LINKS Web site design development Computer software development Software design and development Macromedia flex Software development best practice YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "flexcoders" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [flexcoders] Article on Cairngorm for Fusion Authority
On Thu, May 11, 2006 at 3:07 PM, in message [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: application*. So every time you deployed another Flex app it was supposed to cost more. Unless your company (Halliwells?) purchased some higher level I'm new here :-) that if you graphed it you'd see a ramp weighted towards Flex 2.0... a few will stay on 1.5 with no plans to migrate... a bunch will run both, possibly migrating their solid apps from 1.5 to 2.0 over time... and a huge number will jump on 2.0 when it's released. Yup, that's what I expect to see. It helps that the code changes to deploy a 1.5 app on 2.0 should be fairly small. Tom Chiverton This email is sent for and on behalf of Halliwells LLP. Halliwells LLP is a limited liability partnership registered in England and Wales under registered number OC307980 whose registered office address is at St James's Court Brown Street Manchester M2 2JF. A list of members is available for inspection at the registered office. Any reference to a partner in relation to Halliwells LLP means a member of Halliwells LLP. Regulated by the Law Society. CONFIDENTIALITY This email is intended only for the use of the addressee named above and may be confidential or legally privileged. If you are not the addressee you must not read it and must not use any information contained in nor copy it nor inform any person other than Halliwells LLP or the addressee of its existence or contents. If you have received this email in error please delete it and notify Halliwells LLP IT Department on 0870 365 8008. For more information about Halliwells LLP visit www.halliwells.com. We are pleased to announce that Halliwells LLP has been voted AIM Lawyer of the Year at the 2005 Growth Company Awards -- Flexcoders Mailing List FAQ: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/files/flexcodersFAQ.txt Search Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com SPONSORED LINKS Web site design development Computer software development Software design and development Macromedia flex Software development best practice YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "flexcoders" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [flexcoders] Article on Cairngorm for Fusion Authority
On Thu, May 11, 2006 at 3:34 PM, in message [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yup Well, when (if !) Macromedia get a v8 player out for linux, anyway :-( Tom Chiverton This email is sent for and on behalf of Halliwells LLP. Halliwells LLP is a limited liability partnership registered in England and Wales under registered number OC307980 whose registered office address is at St James's Court Brown Street Manchester M2 2JF. A list of members is available for inspection at the registered office. Any reference to a partner in relation to Halliwells LLP means a member of Halliwells LLP. Regulated by the Law Society. CONFIDENTIALITY This email is intended only for the use of the addressee named above and may be confidential or legally privileged. If you are not the addressee you must not read it and must not use any information contained in nor copy it nor inform any person other than Halliwells LLP or the addressee of its existence or contents. If you have received this email in error please delete it and notify Halliwells LLP IT Department on 0870 365 8008. For more information about Halliwells LLP visit www.halliwells.com. We are pleased to announce that Halliwells LLP has been voted AIM Lawyer of the Year at the 2005 Growth Company Awards -- Flexcoders Mailing List FAQ: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/files/flexcodersFAQ.txt Search Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com SPONSORED LINKS Web site design development Computer software development Software design and development Macromedia flex Software development best practice YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "flexcoders" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [flexcoders] Article on Cairngorm for Fusion Authority
On 5/10/06, ColdFusion Editor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi. Would anyone here be interested in writing an article on Cairngorm for Fusion Authority? If so, please contact me offlist at editor AT fusion authority dot com.Judith,As a long-time user of ColdFusion and reader of FA, I think your best bet is going to be to link to Steven Webster's excellent 6-part series on the framework in the Developer Center. http://www.adobe.com/devnet/flex/articles/cairngorm_pt1.htmlThe depth and clarity of the series really makes writing a separate write-up almost unnecessary. Regards,Dave. -- Flexcoders Mailing List FAQ: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/files/flexcodersFAQ.txt Search Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com SPONSORED LINKS Web site design development Computer software development Software design and development Macromedia flex Software development best practice YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "flexcoders" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [flexcoders] Article on Cairngorm for Fusion Authority
On Wed, May 10, 2006 at 3:43 PM, in message [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The depth and clarity of the series really makes writing a separate write-up almost unnecessary. Seconded. Though it may be easier to start with part 6 (the overview) :-) Tom Chiverton This email is sent for and on behalf of Halliwells LLP. Halliwells LLP is a limited liability partnership registered in England and Wales under registered number OC307980 whose registered office address is at St James's Court Brown Street Manchester M2 2JF. A list of members is available for inspection at the registered office. Any reference to a partner in relation to Halliwells LLP means a member of Halliwells LLP. Regulated by the Law Society. CONFIDENTIALITY This email is intended only for the use of the addressee named above and may be confidential or legally privileged. If you are not the addressee you must not read it and must not use any information contained in nor copy it nor inform any person other than Halliwells LLP or the addressee of its existence or contents. If you have received this email in error please delete it and notify Halliwells LLP IT Department on 0870 365 8008. For more information about Halliwells LLP visit www.halliwells.com. We are pleased to announce that Halliwells LLP has been voted AIM Lawyer of the Year at the 2005 Growth Company Awards -- Flexcoders Mailing List FAQ: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/files/flexcodersFAQ.txt Search Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com SPONSORED LINKS Web site design development Computer software development Software design and development Macromedia flex Software development best practice YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "flexcoders" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [flexcoders] Article on Cairngorm for Fusion Authority
Judith, I might have to disagree with Dave... Although Steven's 6 part series is certainly very helpful, it addresses Cg .99 and contains multiple references to the sample files in the cairngrom99.zip download. There are quite a few differences between Cg .99 and the newer Cg 2 beta framework as well as several code differences in the samples that don't work in F2B2 or 3 without some tweaking. If you're looking for an overview of the Cairngorm philosophy with just a few light code examples then Steven's articles would be perfect to start from, but if you're looking for something to work from, code samples, code you can run in F2B3, something more hands on or in depth then you'd probably need to write something new. Although those Cg .99 articles (currently printed and sitting on my desk by-the-way!) and code samples are outstanding, I also believe they are in need of some updating once F2 and Cg 2 are out of beta. Someone learning Flex and/or Cairngorm for the first time may be more confused than helped by the .99 stuff when they try to install and run the samples in Builder. Darren From: Dave Carabetta [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [flexcoders] Article on Cairngorm for Fusion Authority Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 10:43:13 -0400 On 5/10/06, ColdFusion Editor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi. Would anyone here be interested in writing an article on Cairngorm for Fusion Authority? If so, please contact me offlist at editor AT fusion authority dot com. Judith, As a long-time user of ColdFusion and reader of FA, I think your best bet is going to be to link to Steven Webster's excellent 6-part series on the framework in the Developer Center. http://www.adobe.com/devnet/flex/articles/cairngorm_pt1.html The depth and clarity of the series really makes writing a separate write-up almost unnecessary. Regards, Dave. -- Flexcoders Mailing List FAQ: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/files/flexcodersFAQ.txt Search Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com SPONSORED LINKS Web site design development Computer software development Software design and development Macromedia flex Software development best practice YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "flexcoders" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [flexcoders] Article on Cairngorm for Fusion Authority
On 5/10/06, Darren Houle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Judith, I might have to disagree with Dave... Although Steven's 6 part series is certainly very helpful, it addresses Cg .99 and contains multiple references to the sample files in the cairngrom99.zip download. There are quite a few differences between Cg .99 and the newer Cg 2 beta framework as well as several code differences in the samples that don't work in F2B2 or 3 without some tweaking. If you're looking for an overview of the Cairngorm philosophy with just a few light code examples then Steven's articles would be perfect to start from, but if you're looking for something to work from, code samples, code you can run in F2B3, something more hands on or in depth then you'd probably need to write something new. Although those Cg .99 articles (currently printed and sitting on my desk by-the-way!) and code samples are outstanding, I also believe they are in need of some updating once F2 and Cg 2 are out of beta. Someone learning Flex and/or Cairngorm for the first time may be more confused than helped by the .99 stuff when they try to install and run the samples in Builder. Darren, I definitely agree, but Fusion Authority articles are usually at a higher level than step-by-step code, and that was the angle from which I was speaking. Certainly if the intent is to use the framework in a step-by-step manner, then your suggestion works. In fact, I would argue to wait until after the beta is over because Steven has recently noted that there will be some important (yet minor) changes to how the framework currently works...even the beta. http://weblogs.macromedia.com/swebster/archives/2006/05/cairngorm_2_for_1.cfm Regards, Dave. -- Flexcoders Mailing List FAQ: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/files/flexcodersFAQ.txt Search Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com SPONSORED LINKS Web site design development Computer software development Software design and development Macromedia flex Software development best practice YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "flexcoders" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
