Re: [Flightgear-devel] fgviewer
Tim Moore wrote: Ron Jensen wrote: On Mon, 2009-08-10 at 22:28 +, Martin Spott wrote: Tim Moore wrote: Ron Jensen wrote: For some reason scenery textures are no longer being loaded by fgviewer? This is the fault of the new effects code. Effects rely on the FlightGear property tree and on some custom OSG handling. I started pulling what was needed into fgviewer. You've probably misunderstood 'fgviewer'. As far as I can tell, one of the ideas behind this nice tool had been to create a lightweight viewer component _without_ pulling in tons of inter-dependencies which are so omnipresent in FlightGear. I understand fgviewer well enough to know that it was buggy even without the effects code: various bits were subtly different from how things are done in fgfs. As far as lightweight goes, Ron has actually run the tool before giving his opinion. If you're worried about memory usage, well, I'm sure you've heard of demand paging, copy on write, and all that. I'm pretty familiar with these topics, but memory usage is not the point here (well, it probably is, but from the current perspective I didn't care much). And when I was using the term lightweight I didn't mean startup or load times either. I understand the idea behind the 'fgviewer' tool as creating a distinct viewer component (yet still in the early stage of development) which, while still remaining compilant with the FlightGear environment, is trying to adopt as little dependencies from FlightGear as possible and therefore does not necessarily has to follow every rule of how things are done in fgfs in order to achieve its fine goal. Actually I'm convinced that carefully cutting some of the old ties (some call them cruft), for example by keeping the viewer part as independent from the FlightGear core as possible, might serve as a good platform for future development. It's obvious that FlightGear, as every visual simulation, has to depend on the viewer. But the opposite way of depending the viewer part heavily on core FlightGear components is certainly not going into the outlined direction. Cheers, Martin. -- Unix _IS_ user friendly - it's just selective about who its friends are ! -- -- Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus on what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Multiplayer ATC aircraft,
Hi Rob, Rob Shearman, Jr. wrote: Would it not be possible to add a chat client to it, which would be compatible with the MP network protocol? I suspect that adding specific features for a single simulator simply is not a design goal for this RADAR console. Think of it as a universal RADAR screen which happened to 'ship' the FlightGear MP interface as its first protocol frontend. Cheers, Martin. -- Unix _IS_ user friendly - it's just selective about who its friends are ! -- -- Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus on what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] FGCOM troubleshooting help...
Installing the latest OpenAL, both as it is configured (Windows\System32) and as suggested (in Flightgear\bin\Win32) has had no effect on this issue. Still getting the same error. Cheers, -R. Robert M. Shearman, Jr. Transit Operations Supervisor, University of Maryland Department of Transportation also known as rm...@umd.edu From: Rob Shearman, Jr. rmsj...@yahoo.com To: FlightGear developers discussions flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net Sent: Monday, August 10, 2009 10:09:42 PM Subject: Re: [Flightgear-devel] FGCOM troubleshooting help... MMM. Still struggling with this. In the Windows FG install, the OpenAL installer runs as part of the process. And, I already tried taking the two .dll files and moving them into the bin folder with FGCom. However, I found out that for some stupid reason (probably Vista and its propensity for VirtualStore folders specific to each user), the OpenAL install I did on the newer version you referred me to didn't overwrite the older .dll files. So I was in the process of tracking all copies of the old ones down and removing them manually, and hand-reinstalling the newer ones, when it became time to catch a nap before heading to work for the night. So I'll report back progress tomorrow. Thanks again for the troubleshooting ideas... Cheers, -R. Robert M. Shearman, Jr. Transit Operations Supervisor, University of Maryland Department of Transportation also known as rm...@umd.edu From: Jacob Burbach jmburb...@gmail.com To: FlightGear developers discussions flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net Sent: Monday, August 10, 2009 5:16:21 PM Subject: Re: [Flightgear-devel] FGCOM troubleshooting help... Does flightgear run the the OpenAL installer during setup, or does it just come with it's own dll? If there is an openal dll in the same directory as fgcom it will use that, regardless of anyone you install system wide I believe. If there is an openal dll there with the exe, try moving it or renaming it and see if it works. All I can think of off the top of my head. cheers -- Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus on what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel -- Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus on what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] [DRAFT] generic input devices and hotplug support
I have just commited basic support for the linux event devices. It is disabled by default and has to be enabled by calling ./configure --with-eventinput (Don't forget autogen.sh before that) If enabled, FlightGear needs dbus-1 and hal devel packages for the headers and libs. The system is not complete, yet. The hotplug support is still missing, there is no support for Mac and Win. The configure script is not perfect: no checking for required packages dbus-1-devel and hal-devel is done. Probably switches --with-dbus-1= and --with-hal= should be added to make the paths for the libs configurable. I can't guarantee that everything works flawless, but it should compile clean and shouldn't break your system. At least, if it's disabled ;-) For usage, check the data/Input/Event/3dconnexion/SpaceNavigator.xml as an example how to configure your devices. The bindings work as they do in other parts of FlightGear. New is the setting section for sending events to the device. One should easily find out, how they work by looking at the sample device. If you want to find out which input devices are supported by your linux these two commands are your friends: $ cat /proc/bus/input/devices or $ lshal Have fun playing with it - Please report bugs or ask questions. Torsten -- Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus on what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] fgviewer
Hi, On Tuesday 11 August 2009 12:08:05 Martin Spott wrote: I'm pretty familiar with these topics, but memory usage is not the point here (well, it probably is, but from the current perspective I didn't care much). And when I was using the term lightweight I didn't mean startup or load times either. I understand the idea behind the 'fgviewer' tool as creating a distinct viewer component (yet still in the early stage of development) which, while still remaining compilant with the FlightGear environment, is trying to adopt as little dependencies from FlightGear as possible and therefore does not necessarily has to follow every rule of how things are done in fgfs in order to achieve its fine goal. Actually I'm convinced that carefully cutting some of the old ties (some call them cruft), for example by keeping the viewer part as independent from the FlightGear core as possible, might serve as a good platform for future development. It's obvious that FlightGear, as every visual simulation, has to depend on the viewer. But the opposite way of depending the viewer part heavily on core FlightGear components is certainly not going into the outlined direction. Ack! Mathias -- Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus on what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] fgviewer
Hi, On Tuesday 11 August 2009 00:28:43 Martin Spott wrote: You've probably misunderstood 'fgviewer'. As far as I can tell, one of the ideas behind this nice tool had been to create a lightweight viewer component _without_ pulling in tons of inter-dependencies which are so omnipresent in FlightGear. Yes, this was the main intent. GReetings Mathias -- Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus on what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] New FDM: Vamos automotive simulation in flightgear
Am Mittwoch, den 29.07.2009, 18:35 +0100 schrieb Jon Stockill: Does this mean we'd be able to have real gearboxes in the vehicles we already have, along with drive based on ground reaction rather than faked with a jet engine? Yes, real engine and gearbox and clutch,... you can download a patch against sundays cvs at http://www.gupl.org/flightgear/source.tar.bz2 and a car at http://www.gupl.org/flightgear/porsche356.tar.gz It still is in a very early stage, but you should be able to drive all over the world (is there any other automotive sim which can do that?). thorsten -- Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus on what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Multiplayer ATC aircraft,
Rob Shearman wrote: Would it not be possible to add a chat client to it, which would be compatible with the MP network protocol? Obviously it would have to report position information, but that should be trivial enough to work out, shouldn't it? Cheers, -R. Hi Rob, It might be easier just to create a Java chat client directly. That should be pretty straightforward, though you might have to create yourself as an MP aircraft. -Stuart -- Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus on what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] New FDM: Vamos automotive simulation in flightgear
Thorsten Hackbarth wrote: Am Mittwoch, den 29.07.2009, 18:35 +0100 schrieb Jon Stockill: Does this mean we'd be able to have real gearboxes in the vehicles we already have, along with drive based on ground reaction rather than faked with a jet engine? Yes, real engine and gearbox and clutch,... you can download a patch against sundays cvs at http://www.gupl.org/flightgear/source.tar.bz2 and a car at http://www.gupl.org/flightgear/porsche356.tar.gz It still is in a very early stage, but you should be able to drive all over the world (is there any other automotive sim which can do that?). Patched and working no problem here. It seems quite slippery once you get it up to a reasonable speed, even on a dry runway (I guess tyre design has come a long way since the late 1940s). I couldn't find any controls mapping anywhere - can you tell me how to operate more than just the steering, throttle, and brakes (found by waggling everything on the stick and throttle until it did something :-) For those interested here's a couple of pics from a quick spin around EGXG: http://courgette.jml.net/~jon/porsche-1.jpg http://courgette.jml.net/~jon/porsche-2.jpg Jon -- Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus on what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Latest CVS still showing major MP problems...
Rob Shearman wrote: Of late I have been reporting some bugs in the MP system, and I still believe the problems stem from the more recent CVS builds. Vivian asked me to report whether there were any NASL console errors associated, and I can now definitively say that there are none. The symptom is that two MP users on the same MP server at/near the same location can see one anothers' aircrafts, but cannot communicate with one another, and cannot see them in the Network Pilots List. Hi Rob, It sounds very much like the aircraft are present in the property tree (and hence are visible) but the Nasal code has decided that they are invalid for some reason. From a look at the Nasal code, the most likely scenario is that /ai/models/multiplayer[n]/valid=false, which will mean the aircraft isn't included in the multiplayer.nas models.list variable. However, the code in this area hasn't changed in quite a while. Next time it happens, I suggest you a) dump the /ai/models sub-tree to file b) have a look for entries with valid=false, or duplicate (case-insenstive) callsigns. -Stuart -- Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus on what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] New FDM: Vamos automotive simulation in flightgear
Am Dienstag, den 11.08.2009, 22:06 +0100 schrieb Jon Stockill: Thorsten Hackbarth wrote: Am Mittwoch, den 29.07.2009, 18:35 +0100 schrieb Jon Stockill: Does this mean we'd be able to have real gearboxes in the vehicles we already have, along with drive based on ground reaction rather than faked with a jet engine? Yes, real engine and gearbox and clutch,... you can download a patch against sundays cvs at http://www.gupl.org/flightgear/source.tar.bz2 and a car at http://www.gupl.org/flightgear/porsche356.tar.gz It still is in a very early stage, but you should be able to drive all over the world (is there any other automotive sim which can do that?). Patched and working no problem here. It seems quite slippery once you get it up to a reasonable speed, even on a dry runway (I guess tyre design has come a long way since the late 1940s). I couldn't find any controls mapping anywhere - can you tell me how to operate more than just the steering, throttle, and brakes (found by waggling everything on the stick and throttle until it did something :-) For those interested here's a couple of pics from a quick spin around EGXG: http://courgette.jml.net/~jon/porsche-1.jpg http://courgette.jml.net/~jon/porsche-2.jpg Jon Nice pictures. I did no further control mapping so far, all materials are still hard coded as asphalt. The simulator has an analoge clutch witch was not very useful while fiddling around with numerous different coordinate systems... so I made a (extreme simple) auto-shifter. thorsten @sam: I hope you like it -- Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus on what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] FGCOM troubleshooting help...
When I had that error on Debian Linux it was always a conflict with the sound system configuration. Rob Shearman, Jr. wrote: Installing the latest OpenAL, both as it is configured (Windows\System32) and as suggested (in Flightgear\bin\Win32) has had no effect on this issue. Still getting the same error. Cheers, -R. Robert M. Shearman, Jr. Transit Operations Supervisor, University of Maryland Department of Transportation also known as rm...@umd.edu *From:* Rob Shearman, Jr. rmsj...@yahoo.com *To:* FlightGear developers discussions flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net *Sent:* Monday, August 10, 2009 10:09:42 PM *Subject:* Re: [Flightgear-devel] FGCOM troubleshooting help... MMM. Still struggling with this. In the Windows FG install, the OpenAL installer runs as part of the process. And, I already tried taking the two .dll files and moving them into the bin folder with FGCom. However, I found out that for some stupid reason (probably Vista and its propensity for VirtualStore folders specific to each user), the OpenAL install I did on the newer version you referred me to didn't overwrite the older .dll files. So I was in the process of tracking all copies of the old ones down and removing them manually, and hand-reinstalling the newer ones, when it became time to catch a nap before heading to work for the night. So I'll report back progress tomorrow. Thanks again for the troubleshooting ideas... Cheers, -R. Robert M. Shearman, Jr. Transit Operations Supervisor, University of Maryland Department of Transportation also known as rm...@umd.edu *From:* Jacob Burbach jmburb...@gmail.com *To:* FlightGear developers discussions flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net *Sent:* Monday, August 10, 2009 5:16:21 PM *Subject:* Re: [Flightgear-devel] FGCOM troubleshooting help... Does flightgear run the the OpenAL installer during setup, or does it just come with it's own dll? If there is an openal dll in the same directory as fgcom it will use that, regardless of anyone you install system wide I believe. If there is an openal dll there with the exe, try moving it or renaming it and see if it works. All I can think of off the top of my head. cheers -- Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus on what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net mailto:Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel -- Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus on what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel -- Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus on what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] fgviewer
Mathias Fröhlich wrote: Hi, On Tuesday 11 August 2009 12:08:05 Martin Spott wrote: ... I understand the idea behind the 'fgviewer' tool as creating a distinct viewer component (yet still in the early stage of development) which, while still remaining compilant with the FlightGear environment, is trying to adopt as little dependencies from FlightGear as possible and therefore does not necessarily has to follow every rule of how things are done in fgfs in order to achieve its fine goal. Actually I'm convinced that carefully cutting some of the old ties (some call them cruft), for example by keeping the viewer part as independent from the FlightGear core as possible, might serve as a good platform for future development. It's obvious that FlightGear, as every visual simulation, has to depend on the viewer. But the opposite way of depending the viewer part heavily on core FlightGear components is certainly not going into the outlined direction. Ack! Mathias I also think it's a good idea to factor out the dependencies that the visual part of flightgear has on the whole flightgear implementation. It's not right at the head of my queue, but I support the idea and will look for ways to move it along. In the meantime the --fgviewer works well for model viewing; hopefully it can go away soon. Tim -- Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus on what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Latest CVS still showing major MP problems...
Missing persons are listed in /ai/models/multiplayer[*], and /ai/models/multiplayer[*]/valid is true. Yet they do not show up in mp list, nor can I see there chat. Something has obviously changed within the last few weeks, was fine before that. Another one of those flightgear mysteries I guess... cheers! -- Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus on what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
