Re: [Flightgear-devel] adding instruments
On Saturday 24 June 2006 16:05, Major A wrote: Just out of curiosity: if one wants to add an instrument to FG, where in the sourcecode does one have to start? I'm talking about an instrument that doesn't use textures etc., just plain old OpenGL. Andras FlightGear doesn't really allow one to create instruments using plain OpenGL. The closest you'll get to that is the HUD code and the render to texture stuff used on the weather radar. For instruments that need really dynamic info displayed like the flight plan/path on ND displays or moving map displays you'll probably want to take a look at the render to texture stuff. You can draw onto a texture using OpenGL which then gets mapped onto a surface on the instrument. Paul Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Preclipped or overlapping layouts for apt.dat
On Wednesday 14 June 2006 16:14, bsupnik wrote: - Pre-clipping puts more burdon on content creation tools (by requiring them to have robust clipping to save the data) whereas not requiring pre-clipping puts more work on data consumers. Where are you thinking of saving the clipped data? Back into apt.dat (heaven forbid!) or straight to a scenery format? If we had to store the clipped data to apt.dat file the file will become massive and the editor tools would have to be very complex to handle the data. In essense TaxiDraw would become a 3D modeler for airports. Saving overlapping layouts is going to be a lot cleaner. I'd rather see the clipping done at scenery build time or simulator run time much like the way it's handled at the moment. If you're worried about layers becoming lost under others in the editor tools it wouldn't be hard to flag them for removal. Just check if any layer is totally covered by others and notify the user of the problem. Paul ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] vatsim
As to IVAO, it appears to be a much smaller community that VATSIM, so it's not even worth talking about in this context. Is a 61,400 member community not worth talking about? :) If you're based in Europe then IVAO is normally a lot more active during the evenings than VATSIM - one of the reasons why I did most of my flying and controlling in IVAO. There were about 400 users online during the evenings on IVAO last time I used the network. Paul ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] vatsim
On Tuesday 13 June 2006 22:13, Major A wrote: As to IVAO, it appears to be a much smaller community that VATSIM, so it's not even worth talking about in this context. Is a 61,400 member community not worth talking about? :) I just wanted to check myself, but the website doesn't seem to be very functional... Are you using www.ivao.org or www.ivao.aero? There was a major disagreement in the managment (one guy wanted to run the show his way against everyone elses wishes and tried to hijack the website and system) and so www.ivao.aero was created and everyone moved across to it. www.ivao.org is the old hijacked system Last time I checked (January?), there was barely an ATC online in the evenings in Europe, so I chose VATSIM instead. Today, VATSIM seems to be just about as well-populated in Europe as it is in the US. I checked a couple of hours ago and there were 507 users online (ATC + pilots). http://network.ivao.aero/ Paul ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] vatsim
On Monday 12 June 2006 20:06, Martin Spott wrote: Honestly, I'm really curious to know what the _real_ driving force is behind this protectionism. Is this stupid arrogance (if they want to participate, they'll have to follow our rules - not matter if it makes sense), simply incompetence (one of these bad guys out there might compromise our servers if the protocol gets published) or do they really have to fear something if some third party implements their protocol ? I think it's just a case of lazy developers thinking that security via obscurity is a viable route. It's a Micro$oft mentality that rubs off on people. Writing a secure protocol requires lots of work - it's easier to just do what's required and try hide the security holes. The open source mentality is very foreign concept to most Windows users. Paul ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] apt.dat changes ?
On Saturday 10 June 2006 20:34, Ralf Gerlich wrote: BTW: We still have some issues regarding the FlightGear graphics engine to solve if we want curved taxiways and generalised markings (stopbars, etc.), don't we? Yes, TerrorGear won't do anything with the new data. Who's up for some hairy 3D maths? Paul ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Object without texture issue
On Monday 05 June 2006 21:25, Jakub Skibiński wrote: I am newbie, so excuse my ignorance :) With Blender I create an object, add texture (.rgb). Blender renders the object, texture is drawn etc. Then I export my object to an '.ac' file and copy it into proper FG scenery directory along with the texture file. When running FG my object exists, but it isn't textured (it is painted with solid red color instead). I have similar effect when exporting to '.3ds', '.obj' and other files. Does anyone have any idea if it is a problem with texture file or export operation, or something else? Regards, Kuba$ Are you UV mapping the object in Blender or using Blender's native image mapping as part of a material? It's possible to texture objects in Blender without explicitly creating a UV map (Blender will do the UV mapping in the backround) in which case you won't get any UV co-ordinates exported in the ac3d file. Regards Paul ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Google earth mapping for fgfs scenery
On Sunday 04 June 2006 15:59, Josh Babcock wrote: Pigeon wrote: Currently they do not allow any non-web application use the google map data/images. Not sure about google earth but i imagine similar terms So what you are saying is that we need to re-implement fg in javascript? Josh If we were able to write FG so that it ran inside a web browser and we kept it free then it shouldn't be a problem. However if you take the imagery out of a web browser or out of Google Earth and use it in another app you'll have some nasty men knocking on your door pretty quickly. Some governments have actually banned the use of Google Maps and Google Earth for use in their departments due to the licensing. NASA World Wind may not have as up to date data or as much high-res data but at least you won't be taken to the cleaners if you use it in other applications. Paul ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Google earth mapping for fgfs scenery
On Sunday 04 June 2006 17:09, GWMobile wrote: Heh, there's an idea :-) If it was getting live updates from the web would that count as a web application? That would be a web application but it's not a web browser! 3. PROPRIETARY RIGHTS (a) You are only licensing rights to use the Software and the geographical information available to be viewed using the Software. The Software, in whole and in part and all copies thereof, are and will remain the sole and exclusive property of Google. Further, you do not receive any, and Google and/or its licensors (if any) retain all, ownership rights in the geographic information displayed using the Software. The geographic information is copyrighted and * MAY NOT BE COPIED, EVEN IF MODIFIED OR MERGED WITH OTHER DATA OR SOFTWARE. * Your use and access of the geographical information may be subject to further license requirements or obligations. Paul ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: Re: Google earth mapping for fgfs scenery
On Saturday 27 May 2006 09:41, Pigeon wrote: Then as a separate and non official flight gear project others could write a keystroke script to get google earth or probably easier google maps to display tiles around the area you want to fly and screen capture them and save them to a directory in flightgear along with an appropriate latitude and longitude. Currently they do not allow any non-web application use the google map data/images. Not sure about google earth but i imagine similar terms of use. And I think you can't capture or save the map images data by any mean for other uses either. Pigeon. I've had this same discussion before with Silent Wings users who don't seem to understand that if you can see something for free on the Internet doesn't make it free to use for other purposes. I'll spare everyone the pain and post the nasty bits of the Google Earth license. The same applies to Google Maps - it may only be viewed in a web browser. Period. 3. PROPRIETARY RIGHTS (a) You are only licensing rights to use the Software and the geographical information available to be viewed using the Software. The Software, in whole and in part and all copies thereof, are and will remain the sole and exclusive property of Google. Further, you do not receive any, and Google and/or its licensors (if any) retain all, ownership rights in the geographic information displayed using the Software. The geographic information is copyrighted and may not be copied, even if modified or merged with other data or software. Your use and access of the geographical information may be subject to further license requirements or obligations. As far as I can tell all the NASA World Wind data is released under public domain so that would be the best avenue to pursue unless someone wants to play with Google and get sued. The vast majority of the data is Landsat 7 ETM+ data which has a maximum resolution of 14.24 meters/pixel after being pan sharpened. Looks good from an altitude of about 3000km (~1ft) or in mountaineous areas like the European Alps. Paul --- All the advantages of Linux Managed Hosting--Without the Cost and Risk! Fully trained technicians. The highest number of Red Hat certifications in the hosting industry. Fanatical Support. Click to learn more http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=107521bid=248729dat=121642 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] ..FGLiveCD boot workaround, was: AI Sim Object Properties
On Sunday 21 May 2006 12:58, Martin Spott wrote: # ~ md5sum filename and compare the result with the bublished checksum, Martin. Or if you're lazy or have a md5sum file containing md5sums of several files put them all in one dir and do a : md5sum -c -v md5.sums -v is needed on some distros for more verbose feedback. Paul --- Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] ..FGLiveCD boot workaround, was: AI Sim Object Properties
On Saturday 20 May 2006 09:10, dene maxwell wrote: Tried to find the win32 version of the FGLiveCD to try had a look on pigeons site and all seemed to be oriented towards *nix ...only too willing to help with feedback...but need to know where to look for the binary/Iso ...is there a win32 binary? ...will any iso start up under *nix? ... treat me as a newbie (to FGlive anyway)... where do I go, what do I click, what do I do? The FGLiveCD is an entire Linux operating system plus FlightGear plus all the drivers needed to run on most hardware on a single CD/DVD. You don't install it. You just boot off the CD/DVD and it runs in RAM. In fact you don't even need to have a hard drive in your system in order to run the CD/DVD. There is no Win32 version and even if it was possible to make a Windows XP live CD (highly doubt it since the Windows kernel and system aren't anywhere as configurable as Linux) it would be illegal. Paul --- Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] ..FGLiveCD boot workaround, was: AI Sim Object Properties
On Saturday 20 May 2006 10:03, dene maxwell wrote: SWEET what do i download?... i've never burnt an ISO before so please forget that I should know better. if this is possible/probable I really want to give it a try and hopefully the information gained will help everyone :-) :-D ene Under Windows 98 you'll need some CD burning software that can burn ISO images. If you've bought a CD/DVD writer you normally get some burning software with it. However there is plenty of CD burning software around with trial periods. CloneCD and Nero Burning ROM are two which I have used in the past. Of course if you had a Linux distro like Kubuntu installed you can just right click on an ISO file in Konqueror and select burn with k3b. ;-) Paul --- Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Icing
I forgot to add some URLs which may be useful for modeling ice in FG. This one ( http://www.auf.asn.au/meteorology/section10.html ) has a nice diagram that shows the ice accretion in mm on a small probe for the air miles flown, in clouds with liquid water content varying from 0.2 g/m³ to 1.5 g/m³. This one ( http://www.ral.ucar.edu/~gthompsn/icing.html ) has photos of icing from some of NASA's experiments. Paul --- Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid0709bid3057dat1642 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: OT: Crash Tenders
On Tuesday 16 May 2006 18:12, Martin Spott wrote: Martin Spott wrote: It's interesting to read my own posting with a delay of nothing more than four days Martin. Same here. :) I thought snail-mail was slow. Paul --- Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Formation Flying
On Friday 12 May 2006 01:35, alexander babichev wrote: Anders Gidenstam wrote: Is TrackIR available for Linux, IRIX and other platforms? There are some drivers for Linux, but nothing that really works. TrackIR manufacturer wants to develop such drivers, but dislike making it open source for some reason. Some correspondence I had with the with the developer of the Linux TrackIR drivers : Paul Surgeon wrote: Is the Superlucidity TrackIR project for Linux dead? Yes. NaturalPoint never authorized the release of the required firmware file required to distribute the Linux drivers. Cheers, Zach Welch Superlucidity Services. --- Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid0709bid3057dat1642 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Formation Flying
On Thursday 11 May 2006 17:10, alexander babichev wrote: Head tracking is very handy for formation flying too. I'm using TrackIR device and I'm going to add TrackIR support to FlightGear. I've got TrackIR SDK from NaturalPoint. Unfortunately, it is impossible to use TrackIR SDK in open source project. I've got permission to make small binary only wrapper for TrackIR and employ some sort of IPC to allow FlightGear communicate with TrackIR. If you use a network connection between your binary wrapper and FlightGear it will allow anyone running FG on Linux,Sun,SGI,Mac OS X, etc. to use TrackIR on a second Windows PC. i.e. TrackIR = Windows PC = Wrapper = (Network = Linux PC) = FlightGear I would really love that since I've seen TrackIR in use and I'd go so far as to say that it's the only sane way to be able to fly aircraft with large 3D cockpits short of VR googles plus head tracking. I've read plenty of reviews about other camera based head trackers both commercial and open source and they don't even come close to TrackIR's performance. None of them handle interference from other light sources as well as TrackIR can. Paul --- Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] 737 Autopilot Enhancements Developement Interest
On Tuesday 09 May 2006 03:24, Simon Trusler wrote: Hi All, snip I was unsure whether I could actually make a difference but it appears that I have been able to add functionality to the 737 autopilot that was documented as needing to be done. Great! That's one of the areas that needed some serious attention on the 737. I tried to do a flight from KSFO to KLAX last week to test an RDMI instrument and the climb profile to FL330 was rather interesting to put it mildly. For your info there are two 737-300's for FlightGear. The one in FlightGear is a more or less static 2D panel version and there is another one with a 3D cockpit being developed outside of the FG CVS system. The idea is that the 3D cockpit version might replace the 2D version once it's in a usable state which will be many months at the rate we're going but that's quite normal in the FG world. Justin Smithies has kindly provided us with a CVS server in case you want to check it out (excuse the pun). :) cvs -d :pserver:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/cvs login Password is guest cvs -d :pserver:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/cvs co 737-300 What I’ve done is: snip What I’d like to ask now is: 1.How I can contribute on a more formal basis. 2.Who do I need to talk to about these changes? FlightGear development is a rather informal process. If you have a good idea you can ask for feedback on the devel mailing list and then implement it and submit it to someone with CVS write priviledges for inclusion into the base. This is most often done through e-mail in the form of diff patches. Some people with CVS write priviledge (in rough descending order of response times ) Melchior Franz Vivian Meazza Erik Hofman Curtis L. Olson David Luff David Megginson Melchior hangs around on the IRC channel a lot and will be really quick to tell you if your patch sucks which I appreciate. 4.Is there any other information I can read on how everything works? My Software Engineering background has allowed me to understand enough to make a some alterations but some of the config values (Kp, beta, alpha etc.) I do not understand enough of what they mean. There are docs in the SimGear source directory, FlightGear data directory, JSBSim web site, on web sites, etc. One has to hunt around a bit sometimes to find what you're looking for. In most cases a look and see how someone else did it is the quickest route. 5.Do I need to have a Unix based machine to do development or can everything be achieved on a Windows Xp based machine? You can do everything on Windows XP if you like although the compilation of the source code can be a trick to get set up right. Cygwin seems to be the best option under Windows at the moment. Paul --- Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid0709bid3057dat1642 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] possible solution to online flying (VATSIM)?!
On Saturday 06 May 2006 03:39, Major A wrote: John, Interesting... I'm about to delve into XPlane and have zero understanding regards how the third party plugins or datarefs work. I don't know what happened to my reply with all the SF mailing list troubles but ... If we write a proxy app that actually emulates the X-Plane plugin interface/API we can : 1. Not need X-Plane or a second computer 2. Use both the IVAO and VATSIM networks with the XSquawkBox clients 3. Be cross platform (Mac, Linux and Win32) since the XSquawkBox clients run on all three 4. Still be using a network approved client a.k.a. VATSIM/IVAO = XSquawkbox = proxy app = FlightGear The proxy app to FlightGear side would be a piece of cake to code - only the X-Plane interface emulation would be a trick. Paul --- Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] possible solution to online flying (VATSIM)?!
How about this idea ... Since the X-Plane XSquawkBox module is cross platform why don't we just write a proxy app for it that pretends to be X-Plane and interfaces directly to FG in the background? That way : 1. you don't need to purchase X-Plane and run it on another PC 2. all FG users can access the IVAO or VATSIM networks via an approved client (without anyone needing to disclose the network code) 3. it'll run on Windows, Mac and *nix Paul --- Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] possible solution to online flying (VATSIM)?!
On Friday 05 May 2006 21:43, Major A wrote: Hi all, I've just had an idea, maybe some of you find it interesting. I'm currently in a big dilemma -- I fly on VATSIM more or less regularly, and I'm fed up with clicking radios etc. on the screen, so I'm planning to build my own flight deck. Now FG is the best simulator as far as customization and hardware connection go, and I'd certainly like to run it once I have the flightdeck, but there is no VATSIM support in FG (and there won't be, apparently, from what I've read.) Now here's the idea -- use X-Plane or MSFS for VATSIM, but fly FG! It would need two computers, but I think it would work like this: in X-Plane/MSFS, use the plugin system or FSUIPC/WIDEFS, respectively, to IMPORT the current position and velocity data from the other machine (running FG) on a regular basis, along with the NAV frequencies, transponder settings, and the PTT state. That would give you a view of all other flyers on the X-Plane/MSFS computer, plus it would relay your position to them as well. Voice comms would of course be on the non-FG machine. Sounds like it'll work just fine and it shouldn't be that hard to accomplish either. You'd need probably just one proxy app (MSFS module) that uses FSDConnect or FSUIPC to do the job. The only big question is whether the internal FDM of X-Plane or MSFS can be overridden with external data just like that. Why would you need to override the FDM of X-Plane ot MSFS? Last time I played with WideFS all it did was put the slave MSFS machines into slew mode and pump them with a stream of co-ordinates, pitch, roll and heading data. The VATSIM multiplayer code should smooth be able to smooth out the jumps. Also you could see the other aircraft in FG if you did a little bit of coding and passed the multiplayer aircraft positions from MSFS or X-Plane into FG via the MP network protocol we use. That could be done in the same FSUIPC of FDSConnection module on the MSFS machine. In fact if we had such a module running in MSFS we could pass that data to our own MP servers and see VATSIM aircraft flying around in FG. One could leave a FG MP aircraft at the major airports and see VATSIM guys arriving and departing. Very interesting idea - I just wish we could have a native implimentation running on Linux since not everyone owns MSFS or Windows or a spare PC with the horsepower to run MSFS. Paul --- Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] F-14 anyone?
On Saturday 29 April 2006 16:09, flying.toaster wrote: Just one question before I get started ... What is the reasonnable polygon count (in triangles or quads) that can be accepted by most platforms without turning into a slideshow ? For strike fighters this is somewhere in the 10,000 range (with a damage model). I have come to realise that an iBook with a power PC G4 at 1GHz (the thing I am using to write this mail) is rather slower (understatement) than my other box (Linux box Radeon 9600Pro and 2 GHz Athlon). I can make something quite pretty with 7000 to 8000 polygons (given that the tomcat has quite complex shapes) With 15,000 polygons it can be really great... Enrique The poly count isn't that critical for a single object. Even the 2+ poly Concorde will have little effect on an old Geforce2. It's when you try to place 1 of those high poly count objects in a small area of scenery that you run into problems. Paul --- Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Landcover-DB Mapserver update
On Sunday 23 April 2006 01:31, Curtis L. Olson wrote: Quick question. How hard (or would it be possible) to create a version of this tool that would run locally and use a local copy of the TerraGear work directory instead of the raw vmap0 or shapefile ... something that a person could use locally if they wanted to debug a scenery land cover anomaly and figure out where the strangeness is coming from? Well if you want to be able to view the TerraGear work directory on the fly you'd need to write some file format drivers and stick them in gdal or something like that and then set up the whole Apache, Mapserver, PHP, gdal environment. It would be much easier and quicker to just write a converter to dump the TG work data to shapefile or gml format and load it in a GIS app like QGIS or OpenEV. Paul --- Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Landcover-DB Mapserver update
On Sunday 23 April 2006 12:38, Martin Spott wrote: Paul Surgeon wrote: On Sunday 23 April 2006 00:17, Martin Spott wrote: Please enjoy the latest update to the Landcover Mapserver and the underlying database. Visit: http://mapserver.flightgear.org/ Looks excellent Martin! Thanks ! I feel a major drwback is that the airports don't have their ICAO codes attached to the circles. This appears to be part of the group of features that need special handling Ok, I'm assuming you're pulling the airport data out of the DB. I used a shapefile but the properties should be set the same in the Mapscript. The LABELITEM property is the column name. One thing you may want to do is use a dot with a ring for symbols. It makes it easy to see the symbol on top of any color. Light ring around dark dot or dark ring around a light dot. Example : http://www.freeimagelibrary.com/images/Surge/map1.png LAYER NAME Airports DATA Airports STATUS OFF TYPE POINT UNITSDD LABELMAXSCALE 1000 LABELITEMNAME TOLERANCE 3 CLASS NAME Airports STYLE SYMBOL cities-symbol COLOR100 120 255 OUTLINECOLOR 255 255 255 END LABEL COLOR 0 0 0 OUTLINECOLOR 255 255 255 TYPE BITMAP SIZE MEDIUM ANTIALIAS TRUE POSITION UR PARTIALS FALSE MINDISTANCE 300 BUFFER 4 END END END Paul --- Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Landcover-DB Mapserver update
On Sunday 23 April 2006 14:36, Martin Spott wrote: The screenshot looks promising, but I guess it does not show these yellow circles. When assigning '100 120 255' I get some blueish dots. BTW, how does your definition of the cities-symbol look ? SYMBOL NAME cities-symbol TYPE ellipse FILLED true POINTS 8 8 END END Paul --- Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
[Flightgear-devel] Scenery authors - DEM data source
To all the FG scenery authors : I came across a DEM data source which was created by a Scottsman called Jonathan de Ferranti. http://www.viewfinderpanoramas.org What he does in a nutshell is fix all the SRTM voids in mountaneous areas so that the data for the peaks is valid. His work ranges from the Andes to the Himalayas to the Alps to Scandanavia. 3 arc-second coverage : http://www.viewfinderpanoramas.org/coverage%20map%20viewfinderpanoramas_org3.htm He does not use a crappy interpolation technique like so many other authors or void filling applications do but uses various line tracing algorithms and alternative topographic mapping sources. http://www.viewfinderpanoramas.org/%5Cvoidfill.html I'm using his 1 arc second (22 meter) DEMs for the Alps in the Silent Wings soaring simulator and I can tell you it makes a *huge* difference! Mountain peaks like the Matterhorn that are missing in SRTM3 are now visible using his DEM data. He has no problem letting people use his data for flight simulators as long as you let him know and preferably give him some credit. Regards Paul --- Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] JSBSim engine config
On Wednesday 19 April 2006 23:33, Dave Culp wrote: I have over 14000 hrs in turbines and have only seen one overrev, and that was caused by a failed fuel control. Oh ... so it's that scarce. In that case I won't worry about modeling it. Thanks Paul --- Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] JSBSim engine config
On Saturday 15 April 2006 03:55, Dave Culp wrote: The 737-300 uses a CFM56-3 engine and the stabilized idle EGT should be approximately 475 degrees Celcius although it can be as high as 650 degrees Celcius on a hot day in bleed configuration and if it's in a bad condition. My manual says 360 to 510 degrees. I suppose it depends on the engine variant being used. I'm using the CFM56-3C-1 data from the Boeing 737-300,400,500 operations manual which was last revised in December 2002 and from CFM's web site. ( http://www.cfm56.com/engines/cfm56-3/tech.html ) Maybe that figure is for the 3-B1 or 3B-2 variant. The turbine model has no way of knowing what a particular engine will display for EGT. It depends not only on the engine's thermodynamics, but also the EGT probe placement. I intended for users to add offsets and scales in the instrumentation code to bring the EGT in line with expectations. In fact, I at first considered just reporting EGT as a normalized value, since any value it provides will be wrong anyway. Yes, I suppose it's not something that can be generically modeled easily. Maybe it really should be modeled in nasal and left out of the engine modeling all together since it'll be impossible to model correctly for all engine types. There was one other thing I saw - the EGT falls off too fast when shutting down the engine. It drops from 378 degrees C down to ambient temperature in less than 1 minute and cools down at a linear rate. I'm sure there would be lots of happy pilots if it did that in real life. Hot restarts would be a thing of the past. :) Also the N1 and N2 seem to hit a brick wall when they reach their maximum and minimum. Instead of slowing down as they reach their limits they suddenly stop at the limits. The brick wall is a feature. Looks right to me. Hmmm ... I always thought that the engine acclerations would slow down a bit as they reach their limits. This is at least what I've seen from cockpit videos. The last few percent near max RPM should take a few seconds to reach. If it doesn't battle to reach the upper limit doesn't it mean that there is no RPM limit and the engine should be able to rev to infinity? Maybe some RW airline pilots could give their input on this? (Do we have any such lurkers on the lists?) For some reason I always find myself a bit unenthusiastic about attending to your complaints. I wonder what the reason could be? I guess I forgot to coat it with honey and icing sugar. :) Sorry, l guess my linguistics and inter-personal relationship skills suck. I know I faired below average in that area the last time I took an aptitude test. I didn't mean it as a personal attack on your work. Paul --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by xPML, a groundbreaking scripting language that extends applications into web and mobile media. Attend the live webcast and join the prime developer group breaking into this new coding territory! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=110944bid=241720dat=121642 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Graphics load (was Possible contribution for someone)
On Monday 03 April 2006 15:37, Ralf Gerlich wrote: The point with blurring in MSFS is that they draw their roads onto a ground texture, which of course has limited resolution only. This also makes smooth river backs etc. easier, but also introduces a lot of possibly unwanted blurriness. Currently FS9 (2004) uses a ground texture resolution of 4.8m/pixel. I believe from what the MS developers have said on their blogs and the AVSIM forums that the next version (FSX) will be using 1.2m/pixel which is pretty close to what we have in FlightGear at the moment. Paul --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by xPML, a groundbreaking scripting language that extends applications into web and mobile media. Attend the live webcast and join the prime developer group breaking into this new coding territory! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=110944bid=241720dat=121642 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: new contribution
On Monday 27 March 2006 17:48, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have a few questions about Chicago scenery: Is the Meigs airfield made into a park now? Is that the reason FG airport data does not have it? Meigs is a sad story. AOPA's battle to save Meigs began in 1994 when Chicago Mayor Richard M. Daley announced plans to convert Meigs Field to a park. He could do that because of a unique FAA grant agreement that gave him an escape clause. That FAA grant had special language that allowed Daley to close Meigs in 1996 when the lease between the city of Chicago and the Chicago Park District for the airport land expired. To make the story short, there was a whole lot of legal wrangling between supporters of Meigs (FOM, AOPA) and the Chicago Mayor with the airport being shut down and then reopened. Then the blow nobody saw coming: In the late evening of March 30, 2003, Daley and his bulldozers struck, gouging huge Xs in the runway and cutting taxiway entrances. The media was kept at bay; a Chicago fire truck blinded the Internet camera on the nearby Adler Planetarium with a spotlight. Daley said the deal to save Meigs was void because the Senate hadn't passed the O'Hare legislation. And he claimed he was saving the citizens of Chicago from the terrorist threat from the little lakeside airport. He later recanted that claim and admitted he just wanted a park. And the citizens of Chicago never believed the terrorist threat anyhow. And what do the people of Chicago think about Daley's destruction of Meigs? They didn't like it. Some two thirds of Chicago voters disapproved of Mayor Daley's destruction of Meigs Field Airport, according to a scientific poll published in the Chicago Tribune June 16. Even a majority of Democrats (Daley's party) didn't like it. And more than 70 percent didn't believe the mayor's claim that the lakeside airport presented a terrorist threat to downtown Chicago. But Daley doesn't care. Having just been reelected to a fourth term with 78% of the vote, and with a reputation for using city resources to punish those who cross him, Daley figures he can do what he wants — and he does. I wasn't elected to be a lover boy, he once told the press when pressed about his Meigs attack. Taken from : http://www.aero-news.net/Community/DiscussTopic.cfm?TopicID=561Refresh=1 Paul --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by xPML, a groundbreaking scripting language that extends applications into web and mobile media. Attend the live webcast and join the prime developer group breaking into this new coding territory! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid0944bid$1720dat1642 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] airports list
On Saturday 25 March 2006 19:48, David Megginson wrote: On 25/03/06, Melchior FRANZ [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The airports list is barely usable: there are so many entries in it that you don't easily find anything. And the slider resolution is much too high for finding an entry with it alone. Move it just one pixel, and you jumped over oodles of airports. The arrow buttons have no repeat function, so they are of limited help, too. I've now hacked the airports widget to allow filtered lists: http://members.aon.at/mfranz/airports.jpg [30 kB] We need to get geopolitical information into our airport list, at least at the country and region (state/province/etc.) levels -- that could make the filtering much more useful. Proximity filtering might also be nice, but that's a much bigger job. All the best, David I did do some work on that a long time ago using the ICAO codes to break up the data by country but ran into a couple of problems. 1. There is no state/province field in the airports db and it can't be deduced from ICAO codes. 2. There are a couple of areas in the world that share the same ICAO code even though they belong to different countries so using the ICAO code isn't a 100% accurate method. The best would be to have a country and state/province field in the airport DB and that would need to come from Robin Peel unless we want to have a different DB again. Regards Paul --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by xPML, a groundbreaking scripting language that extends applications into web and mobile media. Attend the live webcast and join the prime developer group breaking into this new coding territory! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=110944bid=241720dat=121642 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] airports list
On Sunday 26 March 2006 13:49, David Megginson wrote: On 26/03/06, Paul Surgeon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I did do some work on that a long time ago using the ICAO codes to break up the data by country but ran into a couple of problems. 1. There is no state/province field in the airports db and it can't be deduced from ICAO codes. 2. There are a couple of areas in the world that share the same ICAO code even though they belong to different countries so using the ICAO code isn't a 100% accurate method. 3. Smaller airports sometimes don't use ICAO codes (though most of those are in the U.S.). 4. There are lots of smaller airports and airfields with no identifier code whatsoever (although we don't have any of those in FG). I added about 300 missing airfields with no identifier codes to Southern Germany for Silent Wings. Lots of glider strips and airfields with grass/turf or gravel runways. Paul --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by xPML, a groundbreaking scripting language that extends applications into web and mobile media. Attend the live webcast and join the prime developer group breaking into this new coding territory! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=110944bid=241720dat=121642 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] generic-instruments.xml and a second DME device
On Thursday 23 March 2006 08:31, Ron Jensen wrote: It works for the Concorde in 0.9.9, I just checked. It has an aircraft specific Concorde-instruments.xml containing (among other things) Thanks Ron! I discovered my mistake after looking at the Concorde config for an hour. The instrumentation config file has to be included inside the sim tags otherwise the path tag is just treated as a property. So there is a need for two instrumentation sections in a set file. One inside the sim section and one outside the sim section. TACAN is every bit as generic as DME or VOR. Every military aircraft produced since about 1950 has had a TACAN set installed. Sure, it's generic to military aircraft but does that mean that all civilian aircraft in FG should have TACAN as well? Why aircaft like the j3cub must have tacan, KT-70, wxradar, mk-viii by default is beyond my reasoning capabilities. :) And why are two nav radios and comms radios set up in the generic config and not two dme devices? There are far more aircraft with dual DME devices than there are aircraft with TACAN capabilities. And then there is the mk-viii which should never have been added to the generic config since it's used on a very small percentage of aircraft. Regards Paul --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by xPML, a groundbreaking scripting language that extends applications into web and mobile media. Attend the live webcast and join the prime developer group breaking into this new coding territory! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=110944bid=241720dat=121642 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
[Flightgear-devel] generic-instruments.xml and a second DME device
After some debating in IRC ... Can we please add a second DME device to Generic/generic-instruments.xml? i.e. dme namedme/name number1/number /dme It is ***NOT*** possible to create extra devices within an aircraft's local config files. I've tried it and it does NOT work. All you end up with are some properties but nothing that drives them. The majority of large airliners have a DME device per NAV radio and don't feature DME switching between NAV 1 and NAV 2 like a lot of the smaller aircraft nav systems have. At the moment it's impossible to have two DME distances displayed in a cockpit. If the tacan, KT-70, wxradar, mk-viii which are not generic can live in generic-instruments.xml then I see no argument against a second dme instrument living in there too especially if that's the only place to do it. Thanks Paul --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by xPML, a groundbreaking scripting language that extends applications into web and mobile media. Attend the live webcast and join the prime developer group breaking into this new coding territory! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=110944bid=241720dat=121642 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
[Flightgear-devel] Re:hotspots.......
Syd wrote : the panel 'instrument' should be centered ... its not placed by the bottom left corner like actions are '0' would make the center of the panel in the lower left corner of the panel area. I haven't had any problems tilting the 3d panel at any angle Hope this helps. Syd Thanks Syd! That seems to have done the trick. They're not 100% accurate (you can click near them and get an hit or slightly inside them and not get a hit) but close enough. Now I have to figure out why I'm not getting any e-mails from the devel list for the past 36 hours. Paul --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by xPML, a groundbreaking scripting language that extends applications into web and mobile media. Attend the live webcast and join the prime developer group breaking into this new coding territory! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=110944bid=241720dat=121642 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
[Flightgear-devel] Hotspots bug
Hi guys I found the problem. The hotspot code doesn't work if you tilt the panel! Visually the hotspots appear in the right locations but the code that picks up the mouse events must be at fault. If the tilt is minor - as on the B1900D overhead panel - you can get away with it but on the 737-300 overhead panel it's a no-go due to the 70 degree tilt. As soon as I tilted my hotspot panel into a vertical position it worked. This means that I cannot use hotspots for the overhead panels on the 737-300 until the code is fixed. Are there any other solutions for capturing mouse clicks or are hotspots the only way? Regards Paul --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by xPML, a groundbreaking scripting language that extends applications into web and mobile media. Attend the live webcast and join the prime developer group breaking into this new coding territory! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=110944bid=241720dat=121642 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
[Flightgear-devel] Hotspots
I'm having some problems with hotspots that I can't figure out. I've looked at several of the FG aircraft and can't figure out what the problem is. My code looks like this : snip backgroundAircraft/737-300/Panels/transparent-bg.rgb/background w512/w h1024/h instruments instrument namepanel hotspots/name x0/x y0/y w512/w h1024/h w-base512/w-base h-base1024/h-base actions action nameNav Lights/name button0/button x0/x y0/y w50/w h50/h snip The hotspots show in the right location when I press Ctrl-C however the actions are triggered with an offset. It's like having two overlapping rectangles - one is the visual hotspot and the other the receiving hotspot. Any ideas? Thanks Paul --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by xPML, a groundbreaking scripting language that extends applications into web and mobile media. Attend the live webcast and join the prime developer group breaking into this new coding territory! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=110944bid=241720dat=121642 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] 737 developers - B737-300/400/500 Operations Manual und Flight Crew Training Manual
On Wednesday 15 March 2006 20:01, Georg Vollnhals wrote: B737-300/400/500 Operations Manual und Flight Crew Training Manual : snip I don't know whether it is copyprotected material, everybody has to decide to download or not, but at least it is for FlightGears sake :-) Regards Georg EDDW Thanks Georg I doubt there will be copyright issues unless we lift art work from it or redistribute the manuals. How would one copyright aircraft procedures and stop others from modeling or replicating those procedures? :) Paul --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by xPML, a groundbreaking scripting language that extends applications into web and mobile media. Attend the live webcast and join the prime developer group breaking into this new coding territory! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=110944bid=241720dat=121642 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] 737 developers - B737-300/400/500 Operations Manual und Flight Crew Training Manual
On Wednesday 15 March 2006 21:37, Arnt Karlsen wrote: ..to protect MSFS IP 'n market share? ;o) No need to be naive here, do it the right way right from the start, ask them if we can put it in FG. Ask them if we can put procedures into FG? Dear sir, we would like your permission to push button A and then B and then C in our flight simulator project. Give me a break ... just now someone is going to copyright the procedure to use a toilet and charge everyone fees. :) Paul --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by xPML, a groundbreaking scripting language that extends applications into web and mobile media. Attend the live webcast and join the prime developer group breaking into this new coding territory! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=110944bid=241720dat=121642 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] 737-300 development
On Thursday 16 March 2006 01:22, Justin Smithies wrote: Hi all, This may sound daft but i've setup cvs on my server to hold the 737-300 development that me , Markus and others are doing so it does not touch the FG model until the model authors are happy with changes etc and wish to commit the changes to the FG cvs. Anybody who has been doing new gfx or coding on the 737-300 who would like cvs access should email me. I will shortly give the url for checking out this code as soon as it is committed. Regards, Justin Smithies Can you add me to the list? I'll try get Innis' 3D shell checked in too if he's not interested in submitting it himself. Thanks Paul --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by xPML, a groundbreaking scripting language that extends applications into web and mobile media. Attend the live webcast and join the prime developer group breaking into this new coding territory! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=110944bid=241720dat=121642 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] 737-300 development
On Thursday 16 March 2006 02:03, Paul Surgeon wrote: Can you add me to the list? I'll try get Innis' 3D shell checked in too if he's not interested in submitting it himself. Thanks Paul Whoops ... that was meant to be off list. :) Paul --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by xPML, a groundbreaking scripting language that extends applications into web and mobile media. Attend the live webcast and join the prime developer group breaking into this new coding territory! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=110944bid=241720dat=121642 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] 737-300 electrical systems
On Tuesday 14 March 2006 02:05, Innis Cunningham wrote: The 737-300 is the current model that should be in the basic package the old model should be totally removed or just in the FG hangar. I have a partly built cockpit shell that I am working on so if you want I can send it to you and maybe we can workout who is going to do which instruments Cheers Innis I was just going to do those 3 panels that Markus requested which are all on the forward overhead panel if I'm not mistaken. Having a 3D model to place them in and hook up the hotspots would help a lot. Maybe I'll get hooked and do the entire overhead panel. :) Paul --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by xPML, a groundbreaking scripting language that extends applications into web and mobile media. Attend the live webcast and join the prime developer group breaking into this new coding territory! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=110944bid=241720dat=121642 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: Nasal code error? ... Nope!
On Tuesday 14 March 2006 20:34, Vassilii Khachaturov wrote: I had this morning at least a half an hour outage, a connection refused on the pserver port, so it is not a DNS issue. Vassilii I had the same problem with FG CVS last night - tried for 2 hours and gave up. I got a connection refused to flightgear.org as well. Both are working fine now. Paul --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by xPML, a groundbreaking scripting language that extends applications into web and mobile media. Attend the live webcast and join the prime developer group breaking into this new coding territory! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=110944bid=241720dat=121642 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] 737-300 electrical systems
On Thursday 09 March 2006 04:37, Markus Barenhoff wrote: generator bus panel (most important): http://www.b737.org.uk/genbuspanel.jpg for those of you how are interested, i've attached the current work in progress to this mail. it includes 2 files: electrical.nas : contains the used classes (should become a general purpose elect. framework) 737-electrical.nas : contains the 737 specific stuff. Markus, I twiddled my thumbs for the past two days and I've got a partly modeled 737-300 generator bus panel in FG. http://www.freeimagelibrary.com/images/Surge/genbus2.png I still have to do some work on it including modeling the animated switch cover in the middle but hopefully it looks good enough. What I need now is that electrical system so I can start hooking lights and switches up to properties to finish the animation side off. One thing I'm not clear on is whether Innis is working on another 737. Are there two aircraft or just one that we're working on? It would be a real pity to end up with two half modeled 737s. Also can we get things into CVS? (before we end up with 5 versions on each person's hard disk.):) Regards Paul --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by xPML, a groundbreaking scripting language that extends applications into web and mobile media. Attend the live webcast and join the prime developer group breaking into this new coding territory! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=110944bid=241720dat=121642 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] 737-300 electrical systems
On Friday 10 March 2006 00:36, Markus Barenhoff wrote: Paul Surgeon wrote: On Thursday 09 March 2006 04:37, Markus Barenhoff wrote: i am currently writting a simulation of the 737-300 electrical system for flightgear. it' s still work in progress. now to my question: is there someone who would like do design the pannels? :) it would be great to have them, for testing purposes, beacuse doing it the property tree is not much fun. :) 2D or 3D panels? 3D would be great, (because its all in the overhead panel), but 2D would also be nice. If also mailed with Justin Smithies, who is also working on the panels i think, maybe you should also communicate with him, so that you both do not the same work. cu markus Any idea about the size of those panels or maybe the diameter of the gauges? Getting the scale right the first time makes life easier otherwise you have to rescale, calculate new needle centers, redo the hot spots, etc. Paul --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by xPML, a groundbreaking scripting language that extends applications into web and mobile media. Attend the live webcast and join the prime developer group breaking into this new coding territory! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=110944bid=241720dat=121642 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] 737-300 electrical systems
On Thursday 09 March 2006 04:37, Markus Barenhoff wrote: hi there, i am currently writting a simulation of the 737-300 electrical system for flightgear. it' s still work in progress. now to my question: is there someone who would like do design the pannels? :) it would be great to have them, for testing purposes, beacuse doing it the property tree is not much fun. :) the panels i need are: meter panel (nice to have): http://www.b737.org.uk/acdcmeteringpanel.jpg generator and standby panel (would be cool): http://www.b737.org.uk/gendrivestandbypowerpanel.jpg generator bus panel (most important): http://www.b737.org.uk/genbuspanel.jpg 2D or 3D panels? Paul --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by xPML, a groundbreaking scripting language that extends applications into web and mobile media. Attend the live webcast and join the prime developer group breaking into this new coding territory! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=110944bid=241720dat=121642 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightGear on LinuxTag; Was: FlightGear Make Process: Amazing
On Friday 03 March 2006 22:53, David Megginson wrote: On 03/03/06, Matthias Boerner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Next one: I know how it feels to fly a real aircraft but I've never used a yoke or pedals with FlightGear. Sometimes I've use other people's equipment with M$FS but I wasn't satisfied. The pedals I found there had a spring that centers the pedal position much too hard - but in a real aircraft (Cessna, Piper) you don't need strong initial forces to move the pedals out of the center position. Now: Does anyone have a recommendation for pedals and a yoke that he knows resemble the controls of a real aircraft ? if we aren't able to get any hardware for flying we can use my pedals and my joystick (Simped-F16/USB and ThrustMaster Hotas Cougar/USB). I had the CH USB yoke and pedals, but ended up donating both to our local charity store about a year ago. They took up a lot of room, were a pain to set up, and didn't make the aircraft any easier to control. All the best, David If you want decent rudder pedals then you may want to look at the Flight Link Jet Rudder Control Module from http://www.aviationsimulation.co.uk/acatalog/_Pedals.html It costs over €2000 but they're made to Boeing specs and evidently work really well. They can also be mechanically linked which is useful for cockpit builders. Paul --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by xPML, a groundbreaking scripting language that extends applications into web and mobile media. Attend the live webcast and join the prime developer group breaking into this new coding territory! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid0944bid$1720dat1642 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Seneca model is still under construction
On Wednesday 15 February 2006 20:05, Torsten Dreyer wrote: Hi, some of you might remember: I'm working on a Seneca-Model. This is just to show you, that I am still alive. The 3D model: outside view http://www.t3r.de/fg/seneca/fgfs-screen-012.jpg another outside view http://www.t3r.de/fg/seneca/fgfs-screen-011.jpg panel http://www.t3r.de/fg/seneca/fgfs-screen-010.jpg see the pedal's texture? everything here is operative, except the windshield-heater ;-) http://www.t3r.de/fg/seneca/fgfs-screen-013.jpg closeup of the annunciator panel and the gear-transit warning light. http://www.t3r.de/fg/seneca/fgfs-screen-014.jpg closeup of the switch-panel http://www.t3r.de/fg/seneca/fgfs-screen-015.jpg between front-seats: the console for elevator and rudder-trim, fuel selectors and flap lever. Work to do and under construction: - 3d model for King HSI - 3d piper-style dual 50manifold pressure - 3d piper-style RPM - 3d engine-gauges (fuel/oil,CHT,EGT...) - 3d Autopilot Altimatic IIIc - textures for the switch-panel The FDM I use JSBSim with v2.0 config files. The aerodynamics sections were generated using DATCOM+. The results are impressive - the performance values are close to the original airplane. Work to do and under construction: - fine tune the aerodynamics - implement drag coefficients for open cowl-flaps and landing gear - supercharge the engines - get a better propeller, the propC10v I use from the c310 does not seem to produce enough thrust. Still a lot to do before this is usable - I keep you informed... Greetings, Torsten Looking good! BTW : Anti-aliasing would help a lot when you're making screenshots - you don't need to run with it on all the time if your card can't handle it but for screen grabs frame rates aren't important and it'll make those jagged edges look a lot better. Paul --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log files for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine that makes searching your log files as easy as surfing the web. DOWNLOAD SPLUNK! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=103432bid=230486dat=121642 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] (Real) SR22-GTS Demo Flight
On Thursday 09 February 2006 05:00, David Megginson wrote: It will be a lot of work to model the Avidyne glass cockpit in FlightGear. If they can do it then I'm sure we can : http://www.eaglesoftdg.com/SR22.htm http://www.avsim.com/pages/1005/SR20/SR20.htm Paul --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log files for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine that makes searching your log files as easy as surfing the web. DOWNLOAD SPLUNK! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=103432bid=230486dat=121642 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Accessing FG tree
On Friday 03 February 2006 22:31, Justin Smithies wrote:
Hi can anyone help me out here.
I want to write a shell script that will telnet to the FG root and read
certain values into variables.
It also has to be able to write new values back using telnet.
Im trying to make a script that will run in the background and control
certain functions on my home cockpit.
I am just unsure how to implement the telnet bit in a script and have it
read or write data from variables to the FG tree.
Regards,
Justin Smithies
Look under src/scripts and you'll find example code showing you how to do it
in Python, Perl and C.
The Python one includes a FlightGear.py module that makes the telnet part
pretty transparent.
Example :
from FlightGear import FlightGear
fg = FlightGear('localhost', )
# write operation
# parking brake on
fg['/controls/parking-brake'] = 1
# read operation
heading = fg['/orientation/heading-deg']
Paul
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Re: [Flightgear-devel] screenshotart.com
On Saturday 04 February 2006 16:27, Josh Babcock wrote: Erik Hofman wrote: Hi, Screenshot Art.com, in association with the Royal Air Force Museum, London and the San Diego Aerospace Museum is holding the biggest Screenshot Art contest ever held (according to their own wording). I've added three images of FlightGear in the Un-edited section already. http://www.screenshotart.com/ http://www.screenshotart.com/index.php?act=modulemodule=gallerycmd=scc at=69 Erik Man, we can't compete with this kind of eye-candy. We need a feature contest :) Josh Well if we add some eye candy features to FG we may be able to compete. Paul --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log files for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine that makes searching your log files as easy as surfing the web. DOWNLOAD SPLUNK! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=103432bid=230486dat=121642 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] two scenery ideas
On Wednesday 25 January 2006 21:44, flightgear wrote: I noticed this, too , since the landcover data actually has a large amount of landcovertypes that are currently ignored. So my question is: If somebody would brew up some new textures for these types, is there any reason for not using them? The problem is that the land cover types don't contain enough info to figure out exactly what type of textures should be used. Yes, we know that we need to display grass, trees, water, etc. but these types of textures need to be regional and not global like they currently are. Grass or tree cover in the California doesn't look anything like it does in Germany. Crops in the USA look very different from those in the UK. European cities look vastly different from cities outside of Europe. I did start making some textures for FlightGear a couple of years ago but since there's no way to keep them local I stopped. Adding nice desert textures to Nevada makes Europe look the same and no one could come up with a solution. Paul --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log files for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine that makes searching your log files as easy as surfing the web. DOWNLOAD SPLUNK! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=103432bid=230486dat=121642 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] mapping a texture to a sphere
On Saturday 21 January 2006 10:31, John Wojnaroski wrote: Now that I think about it, a few more interactive aircraft in the air might be a very nice touch and demo of the FG multi-player capability. You may want to use a separate MP server for the 747 booth demo though. I somehow doubt having B1900Ds, Seahawks, Piper Cubs, etc bombing runways and doing inverted fly-bys at KSFO would add to the realism. :) The FG MP sessions losely resemble the MSFS Micro$oft Zoo ... uh ... I mean Zone. If we got ATC up and running we could do some pilot training and get things working in a bit more of a sane manner like can be seen on IVAO and VATSIM. Paul --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log files for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine that makes searching your log files as easy as surfing the web. DOWNLOAD SPLUNK! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=103432bid=230486dat=121642 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Will my updates be used/useful?
On Sunday 15 January 2006 12:08, Christian Mayer wrote: (*) unless you want to get fancy with blending the textures, etc. pp. But this will create an big overhead. Well yes but a half decent scenery engine using texture blending like the one in X-Plane and MSFS would do just fine and they actually run faster than FG when I increase the visibility to about 50km or greater. We must be doing something wrong to get the worst of both worlds. Paul --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log files for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine that makes searching your log files as easy as surfing the web. DOWNLOAD SPLUNK! http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=7637alloc_id=16865op=click ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Will my updates be used/useful?
On Saturday 14 January 2006 23:43, Martin Spott wrote: dene maxwell wrote: One thing I have noticed, we have alot of urban areas on very steep hill sides. This draping approach can cause some very unpleasant visual effects in these instances...the terrain looks ...stretched... like drawing a picture on a piece of rubber then stretching it more in one direction than the other, the picture becomes distorted. Have you noticed this? Sure we do :-) If you have a clever concept of how to deal with these cases I'd be ahppy to hear. When TerrorGear does the UV mapping calculations on the terrain polys it should take the terrain slope into account. Flat ground = standard resolution More slope = higher resolution Paul --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log files for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine that makes searching your log files as easy as surfing the web. DOWNLOAD SPLUNK! http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=7637alloc_id=16865op=click ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Will my updates be used/useful?
On Tuesday 10 January 2006 09:14, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It seems most of the mechanisms to provide changes in a format that can be submitted to the World Scenery Database (WSD) are based around *nix systems and programs. Will I ( as a win32 users) be able to submit in a useful/usable form, my updates, that I have used Fred's FGSD to produce? A recent (within the last week?) discussion in the fgsd-devel mailing list was about this. The goal is for fgsd to be able to output data in a format that can then be incorporated into the scenery database (in addition to being able to output .btg files as at present). In the absence of this, free GIS interfaces are an option, I suppose -- they exist for Windows just as they do for Linux etc. -c All of the Open Source GIS apps that I am aware of are ported and distributed in ready to run binary packages for Windows users. Examples : GRASS, FWTools (gdal, OpenEV), QGIS, etc. Most of the users of open source GIS applications are Windows users who don't understand how to configure or build software so it only makes sense to provide them with ready to run applications. Paul --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log files for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine that makes searching your log files as easy as surfing the web. DOWNLOAD SPLUNK! http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=7637alloc_id=16865op=click ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] World Custom Scenery Project launched
On Monday 09 January 2006 12:25, Ralf Gerlich wrote: Note that, in order to be able to submit your data to the database later on, you need to use suitable digitising methods. Due to technical reasons we will not be able to accept modifications based on the current version of FlightGear Scenery Designer (v0.3.x) or in the form of binary scenery files (.btg). However, as it seems, Frederic Bouvier is already working towards an interfacing possibility for fgsd. Sounds great! Obviously a FlightGear oriented app for editing the geospatial data would be ideal but how about writing a QGIS plugin to work with QGIS and GRASS? I'm not sure which would be more work to achieve but I recently discovered the GRASS plugin for QGIS which allows you to edit and digitize GRASS data inside the nice and friendly QGIS GUI. Here's a flash demo showing what it looks like and how it works. http://qgis.org/flash/flashwrapper.php?filename=grass_plugin1.swf Paul --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log files for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine that makes searching your log files as easy as surfing the web. DOWNLOAD SPLUNK! http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=7637alloc_id=16865op=click ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Texture compression experiments in plib
On Monday 09 January 2006 22:11, Christian Mayer wrote: Tiago Gusmão schrieb: Altough s3tc is quite widespread, since we are using 2^n sided textures, it should be trivial to add support to down-size sides by 2^n if the user wishes so, at the expense of longer loading time. We could also provide a way to convert the actual files. Models could also be LODed during loading time, but that's more complicated. Just a few ideas.. Yes, that's probably the best idea. And PLIB supports rescaling already IIRC (but does it only when it's too big to be accepted by the OpenGL driver). CU, Christian Well there is still lots of merit in using texture compression. It also allows us to stuff a lot more textures (or higher resolution ones) into VRAM even on higher end cards. Sticking over 300MB of textures into 128MB of VRAM is quite feasilble and would be really handy if there are lots of MP aircraft flying around with 30MB of aircraft skin textures or if we ever get around to adding some photo scenery to selected areas. Instead of downsizing and throwing away huge amounts of resolution we can make better use of VRAM instead. All that downsizing textures is going to do for us is turn our nice crisp textures into blurries. Paul --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log files for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine that makes searching your log files as easy as surfing the web. DOWNLOAD SPLUNK! http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_idv37alloc_id865op=click ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Lessons in FlightGear
On Thursday 05 January 2006 01:54, Christian Mayer wrote: The school works by simulating an instructor who speaks (via voice and text) to the student. He first flys a lesson and then let the student fly exactly the same commenting everything that goes well and that goes bad. That's exactly what I started doing but ... Problem 1 (external app) : Having the training session as a separate network app instead of being integrated into FG is going to put off a lot of less technically minded people. It requires that the user first install Python + pyao + pyogg + pyvorvis. Then they have to install the training packages and try to start FG together with the simulator. I'd much rather code it in Nasal have it part of the FG package itself or as an addon that can be unzipped into the FG tree and run as is. Problem 2 (Nasal approach) : I'd really like to use Nasal but there is no sane way to play audio files via Nasal. Creating hundreds of properties in the property tree tied to audio files isn't a nice solution. Also FlightGear doesn't support Ogg Vorbis files as far as I know and having a lot of audio feedback from the instructor is vital and certainly makes the whole process a lot more realistic and enjoyable. I'm getting a 10:1 reduction in file size using the Ogg Vorbis format on my instructor recordings. Files that are 0.5MB in WAV format compress down to about 35KB in Ogg Vorbis format and I can't tell the difference in quality. At the moment I'm at a standstill trying to figure out what to do. This external app thing is going to become a problem and I don't want to invest a lot of time into it and then have to recode everything in Nasal later. Paul --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log files for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine that makes searching your log files as easy as surfing the web. DOWNLOAD SPLUNK! http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=7637alloc_id=16865op=click ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: AI development plans (Was: Re: [Flightgear-devel] Multiplayer voice comunication)
On Thursday 05 January 2006 21:13, Durk Talsma wrote: I haven't firmly decided yet, but I'm considering starting to tackle airway following code, which is in a way quite similar to the ground network. Now that would be amazing. No other desktop sim has AI flying realistic flightplans along airways. Of course we may not be flying airways in real life for much longer with all the GPS and automated routing ideas floating around. Maybe GPS direct isn't so far fetched after all. Paul --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log files for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine that makes searching your log files as easy as surfing the web. DOWNLOAD SPLUNK! http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=7637alloc_id=16865op=click ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
