Re: [Flightgear-devel] SimGear build fails
Torsten Dreyer tors...@t3r.de writes: I'm failing to build SimGear on 64bit linux: EffectGeode.cxx:83:136: error: no matching function for call to ‘osg::Geometry::setVertexAttribArray(int, osg::Geometry::ArrayData)’ OSG is stable 3.0.1 from svn (same with OSG trunk) SimGear is git next from today Yes, I rm-rf'ed previous artefacts and started from scratch. these are the changes i made to get simgear to compile with openscenegraph from svn: diff --git a/simgear/scene/material/EffectGeode.cxx b/simgear/scene/material/EffectGeode.cxx index 26eab38..d634ac8 100644 --- a/simgear/scene/material/EffectGeode.cxx +++ b/simgear/scene/material/EffectGeode.cxx @@ -80,15 +80,15 @@ void EffectGeode::runGenerators(osg::Geometry *geometry) int n = _effect-getGenerator(Effect::TANGENT); tsg-generate(geometry, 0); // 0 is normal_unit, but I have no idea what that is! if (n != -1 !geometry-getVertexAttribArray(n)) -geometry-setVertexAttribData(n, osg::Geometry::ArrayData(tsg-getTangentArray(), osg::Geometry::BIND_PER_VERTEX,GL_FALSE)); +geometry-setVertexAttribArray(n, tsg-getTangentArray()); n = _effect-getGenerator(Effect::BINORMAL); if (n != -1 !geometry-getVertexAttribArray(n)) -geometry-setVertexAttribData(n, osg::Geometry::ArrayData(tsg-getBinormalArray(), osg::Geometry::BIND_PER_VERTEX,GL_FALSE)); +geometry-setVertexAttribArray(n, tsg-getBinormalArray()); n = _effect-getGenerator(Effect::NORMAL); if (n != -1 !geometry-getVertexAttribArray(n)) -geometry-setVertexAttribData(n, osg::Geometry::ArrayData(tsg-getNormalArray(), osg::Geometry::BIND_PER_VERTEX,GL_FALSE)); +geometry-setVertexAttribArray(n, tsg-getNormalArray()); } } --alex-- -- | I believe the moment is at hand when, by a paranoiac and active | | advance of the mind, it will be possible (simultaneously with | | automatism and other passive states) to systematize confusion | | and thus to help to discredit completely the world of reality. | -- This SF.net email is sponsored by Windows: Build for Windows Store. http://p.sf.net/sfu/windows-dev2dev ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] New idea for flightgear
Hi Ashirwada, this feature is implemented but disabled by default in FG's source code. To enable it, if you really want that (think twice), edit file src/AIModel/AIMultiplayer.cxx and alter the false to true in FGAIMultiplayer::FGAIMultiplayer() : FGAIBase(otMultiplayer, false) This action, of course, requires FG to be recompiled. hth Alex Dear sir/madam I am a great fan of flightgear. I would like to point out that crashes in flightgear is not simulated. so add simulated crashes in the next flightgear version. -- This SF.net email is sponsored by Windows: Build for Windows Store. http://p.sf.net/sfu/windows-dev2dev ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] JSBSim Synch with FlightGear
Anders Gidenstam anders-...@gidenstam.org writes: 2. The JSBSim class FGPropertyManager was previously derived from SGPropertyNode, but isn't now. This affects the creation of the main JSBSim object (FGFDMExec) since it requires a FGPropertyManager instance to access the property tree. I have currently changed the FG JSBSim driver, JSBSim.cxx, like this: -fdmex = new FGFDMExec( (FGPropertyManager*)globals-get_props() ); +// FIXME: The FGPropertyManager object must be freed somewhere! + fdmex = new FGFDMExec( new FGPropertyManager( (FGPropertyNode*)globals-get_props() ) ); but this will leak a FGPropertyManager object on each reset. Hopefully there is no problem to just keep track of the FGPropertyManager object and delete it at reset. I have not tried that yet. wouldn't it better to have something like this: FGPropertyManager pm = FGPropertyManager((FGPropertyNode*)globals-get_props() ); fdmex = new FGFDMExec(pm); that way we don't leak an FGPropertyManager object on each reset. seems to work for me. --alex-- -- | I believe the moment is at hand when, by a paranoiac and active | | advance of the mind, it will be possible (simultaneously with | | automatism and other passive states) to systematize confusion | | and thus to help to discredit completely the world of reality. | -- This SF.net email is sponsored by Windows: Build for Windows Store. http://p.sf.net/sfu/windows-dev2dev ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] static friction patch
I liked Alex's screenshot, that requires some skill... Actually, since I am using modified skids[1] for the bo105, it doesn't require much skill. To be able to land on smaller surfaces as the length of the skids, I've added some more contact points between the original ones[2]. Which also makes a landing on slightly bigger surfaces easier. Drawback then was, the behaviour on ground regarding friction was even worse. So I lifted the new contact points slightly and modified some of their attributes, like compression and spring, so the skids do not vanish into the smaller-as-the-skids surface. However, I was not quite satisfied with the result, and therefore hesitated to release a patch. As soon as your patch is accepted, I am looking into this again, with the goal to provide a patch. [1] http://beggabaur.onpw.de/files/bo-skid-mod.jpg [2] http://beggabaur.onpw.de/files/bo-skid-orig.jpg -- Precog is a next-generation analytics platform capable of advanced analytics on semi-structured data. The platform includes APIs for building apps and a phenomenal toolset for data science. Developers can use our toolset for easy data analysis visualization. Get a free account! http://www2.precog.com/precogplatform/slashdotnewsletter ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] static friction patch
Am Sun, 14 Apr 2013 22:13:13 -0300 schrieb Diogo Kastrup diogo.kast...@gmail.com: If you guys could test it and/or give any tips on how not to break any interface design it would be appreciated. Hi Diogo, a quick trial with the bo105 (on FG 2.10) made me very happy. So far I was not able to see any movement on the ground, not even when applying rotor brake manually at still high RPM. Parking it on a small surface[1] and leaving the PC for about 15 minutes, it still sits where I left it. Before the patch I would have found it crashed, hanging sloped from the object I've placed it before. I am not a developer, so I am not able to make any statement on the code itself. Thumbs up, I've waited for this a long time (Csaba once told me, someone is working on such a patch). I'll do some more testing in the upcoming days (or weeks, depending on spare time). Alex [1] http://beggabaur.onpw.de/files/fgfs-screen-289.jpg -- Precog is a next-generation analytics platform capable of advanced analytics on semi-structured data. The platform includes APIs for building apps and a phenomenal toolset for data science. Developers can use our toolset for easy data analysis visualization. Get a free account! http://www2.precog.com/precogplatform/slashdotnewsletter ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
[Flightgear-devel] HUD, runway projection
Ahoy Guys,
while doing some research for the wiki[1] the idea came across to
center the (seemingly not properly working) runway projection, the
big fat arrow on the default HUD, pointing to one o'clock here[2], and
make it more flexible. Even though it does not actually project the
active runway on the HUD, it still points to its direction. I am aware
that sooner or later canvas[3] will replace the actual HUD system and
therefore probably not much effort will go into the current one
anymore. However, until then it would be nice to make something more
useful out of it or, as a second option, disable the instrument in
Huds/default.xml. And because the arrow is very obvious, just letting
it hang out at the corner does not make the HUD prettier.
Enclosed are two patches, both tested on FG 2.10 and git next:
HUD-runway_offset-fgdata.diff
Changes the coordinates in runway.xml to have it centered. Nearly, at
least. For unknown reason it disappears if centered along the y-axis.
Therefore that one unit offset in the patch.
HUD-runway_property-fg_source.diff
Alters the property for the airport runway is pointing at from
/sim/presets/airport-id to /sim/tower/airport-id. Right after
starting FG these are the same but now the user is able to make the
arrow pointing to some other airport or to the closest one by setting
up the Tower Position via menu.
A screenshot[4] showing the centered one for your approval or not.
Thank you very much
Alex
[1] http://wiki.flightgear.org/HUD
[2] http://wiki.flightgear.org/File:HUD_default_overview.png
[3] http://wiki.flightgear.org/Canvas_HUD
[4] http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/fgfs-screen-259.phpdiff --git a/Huds/Instruments/runway.xml b/Huds/Instruments/runway.xml
index 3fed52d..995b505 100644
--- a/Huds/Instruments/runway.xml
+++ b/Huds/Instruments/runway.xml
@@ -3,14 +3,14 @@
PropertyList
runway
nameRunway/name
- x-240/x
- y-180/y
+ x-320/x
+ y-239/y
width640/width
height480/height
scale-dist-nm5/scale-dist-nm
line-scale5.0/line-scale
- arrow-alwaysfalse/arrow-always
+ arrow-alwaystrue/arrow-always
arrow-scale1.0/arrow-scale
arrow-radius50.0/arrow-radius
outer-stipple-1/outer-stipple !-- 0x --
diff --git a/src/Instrumentation/HUD/HUD_runway.cxx b/src/Instrumentation/HUD/HUD_runway.cxx
index 5ad4592..1d6ee13 100644
--- a/src/Instrumentation/HUD/HUD_runway.cxx
+++ b/src/Instrumentation/HUD/HUD_runway.cxx
@@ -158,7 +158,7 @@ void HUD::Runway::draw()
FGRunway* HUD::Runway::get_active_runway()
{
- const FGAirport* apt = fgFindAirportID(fgGetString(/sim/presets/airport-id));
+ const FGAirport* apt = fgFindAirportID(fgGetString(/sim/tower/airport-id));
if (!apt) return NULL;
return apt-getActiveRunwayForUsage();
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Re: [Flightgear-devel] Minor tweaks for MSVC11
Good work Rob, saves some people some time I'm sure. Thank you. Alex On 28 October 2012 06:59, Rob Dosogne ad...@truthsolo.net wrote: Using MSVC11 (Visual Studio 2012), I've found the following issues that prevent a successful compile: - 'bzero' does not exist. - 'std::greater' is now found in functional. Solutions: simgear/io/HTTPClient.cxx:454 bzero(zlib, sizeof(z_stream)); should be changed to: memset(zlib, 0, sizeof(z_stream)); flightgear/src/Navaids/PositionedOctree.hxx:33 #include functional needs to be added in order to have access to std::greater. With these changes, simgear and flightgear compile successfully. cheers, Rob -- WINDOWS 8 is here. Millions of people. Your app in 30 days. Visit The Windows 8 Center at Sourceforge for all your go to resources. http://windows8center.sourceforge.net/ join-generation-app-and-make-money-coding-fast/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel -- WINDOWS 8 is here. Millions of people. Your app in 30 days. Visit The Windows 8 Center at Sourceforge for all your go to resources. http://windows8center.sourceforge.net/ join-generation-app-and-make-money-coding-fast/___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] An empassioned plea
As an aside: When working on the codebase, I maintain a local script that launches FGFS by disabling whatever features prevent the simulation from being flyable on my development machine. When I am unable to turn off features that prevent the simulator from running, and disabling them in source isn't clean enough to maintain as a local patch, I stop working on the project until the next time I buy a machine ... at which point I revisit the script. Flyability includes being able to sustain at least 3 FPS. It would probably make things a lot simpler for the average user if FGFS included a wizard that automatically identified which combinations of features would be usable on a specific installation. Using that result as constraining logic in the menus would allow unusable features to be kept disabled and trivially cheap features (for the given hardware) to be kept enabled. On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 2:36 AM, Erik Hofman e...@ehofman.com wrote: On Wed, 2012-04-18 at 09:46 +0100, Vic Marriott wrote: It's probably not so much about memory consuming but more about resource consuming. But be assured that most new options are easily turned off. Sorry, but I think the point is being missed here. Where is the sense in making very impressive advancements to FG, if the average user has to turn most of them off in order to get a usable fps. Why does anybody always expect the most imressive results on their old Intel 486DX? Advances in quality always requires more resources. Period. If your hardware doesn't support it, bad for you but be grateful FlightGear at least provides an option to turn to less nifty rendering. Erik -- Better than sec? Nothing is better than sec when it comes to monitoring Big Data applications. Try Boundary one-second resolution app monitoring today. Free. http://p.sf.net/sfu/Boundary-dev2dev ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Serving maps from internet;
On Sun, Oct 30, 2011 at 12:38 PM, Martin Spott martin.sp...@mgras.net wrote: Geoff McLane wrote: As you may know the Atlas project already has a GetMap application, linked with CURL to to do the http requests... written by Fred back in 2004, No, I didn't know. When I talked to Brian Schack about this topic, the conversation somehow got lost (and I do feel guilty in some way ). As far as I can remember the biggest obstacle was set by Atlas's tile schema being organized alongside FlightGear's Scenery tiling schema, being slightly different from what WMS tile servers typically provide. Actually I'm unable to afford the time for providing the introduction into the logic behind WMS(-C) and related protocols, but there's plenty to read at OSGeo and related projects (start at TileCache for example). BUT I'd be willing to set the tile server up - simply because I'm convinced that this is the right thing to do about serving map imagery from a server well, actually the entire infrastructure is already in place, because I've been doing this sort of stuff for years, I'd just have to compile the Atlas imagery into a suitable format. I looked into doing this a couple of years ago and got bogged down in the FGFS-specific assumptions throughout the Atlas pipeline. I came to the conclusion that the integration I had in mind would be ugly, but wasn't willing to take on the burden of forking. What is preventing us from converting the whole Atlas project to WMS, and dropping the old nomenclature? -- Get your Android app more play: Bring it to the BlackBerry PlayBook in minutes. BlackBerry App World#153; now supports Android#153; Apps for the BlackBerryreg; PlayBook#153;. Discover just how easy and simple it is! http://p.sf.net/sfu/android-dev2dev ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Serving maps from internet;
On Sun, Oct 30, 2011 at 3:20 PM, Martin Spott martin.sp...@mgras.net wrote: Alex Perry wrote: [...] What is preventing us from converting the whole Atlas project to WMS, and dropping the old nomenclature? I'm just guessing: Backwards compatibility with those users who'd like to use Atlas without being required to have a functional internet uplink ? The FSweekend show next month is typically one of those cases where this schema applies. I don't know what you're getting at. If Atlas knows how to get map tiles from a URL family in addition to the usual disk file name family, that doesn't affect offline use. Having said that, I wouldn't object to Atlas becoming a URL-only utility providing it still knows about file:// to avoid depending on a local webserver! If you're suggesting that the revised Map couldn't write to files any more, I think you're assuming a larger change to it than I had in mind. It might be nice to have a third utility AtlasTileServer which does provide a caching WMS webserver for Atlas and knows how to invoke Map to draw missing tiles at need. It could (1) keep a local Map instance busy between interactive requests, (2) recurse to a remote AtlasTileServer with its correspondingly better cache and higher throughput, and (3) kick TerraSync into fetching any missing Terrain tiles first. Ideally, Atlas and AtlasTileServer are happy keeping the GET request alive (and idle) while a tile is generated on the fly, and Atlas knows how to add the late-arriving tile into the framebuffer once it actually turns up. -- Get your Android app more play: Bring it to the BlackBerry PlayBook in minutes. BlackBerry App World#153; now supports Android#153; Apps for the BlackBerryreg; PlayBook#153;. Discover just how easy and simple it is! http://p.sf.net/sfu/android-dev2dev ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Mapping Airspace
To agree with Alan, but with some additional generalizations. On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 2:25 AM, Alan Teeder ajtee...@v-twin.org.uk wrote: When I ran the research flight simulator for a major aircraft manufacturer in the UK (many moons ago when we still had such an industry), we had a saying:- Ask 10 test pilots for their opinion, and you will get 10 different answers 1. IFR commercial pilot: airspace is completely irrelevant as they fly the clearance from ATC, initially filed by another airline individual who is not a pilot. 2. IFR general aviation pilot: airspace is only of interest on the ground when designing a clearance request that will be typed into the web terminal. 3. VFR commercial pilot: Almost irrelevant as tends to operate in areas without airspace restrictions or with full ATC coordination on an ad-hoc basis. 4. VFR cross country pilot: Interested in airspace, but usually just wanting to know where it is, to fly far around it. 5. VFR visiting pilot: Intensely interested in airspace, wants the simulator to help him learn not to accidentally bump into it. 6. VFR local pilot: Probably has it memorized anyway, owns the chart mostly to be compliant with the rules. 7. Antique / simple homebuilt pilot: Doesn't have radios or the like anyway, simply needs a few circles marked 'mode C veil'. 8. Military pilot: Doesn't use civilian charts. Could be fun to have the MTR details transcribed for simulating those fighters. 9. Shuttle pilot: I could ask if needed, but I suspect they count as [2] since they're in class A airspace until the final brick-like landing. 10. Aerobatic pilot: The boxes. And something on the simulator to be sarcastic when you accidentally leave the box. 11. RC pilot: No idea. Curt? 12. ... who is missing from the list? From: HB-GRAL To improve our map resources with further data I started an experiment with free available airspace data. Actually this is far from being a good map and finished design, it is just a start to implement (unofficial!) airspace information: http://maptest.fgx.ch/navaid.html Lovely, keep up the good work. The comments above are intended to clarify and not discourage. -- All the data continuously generated in your IT infrastructure contains a definitive record of customers, application performance, security threats, fraudulent activity and more. Splunk takes this data and makes sense of it. Business sense. IT sense. Common sense. http://p.sf.net/sfu/splunk-d2dcopy1 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] ATC and radio signal attenuation
If you know the phone number of the ATC facility, you should be able to enter it into a popup that looks like a satphone and communicate with them without the attenuation constraint. Oh, and extend the ATC dialog to understand say phone number and on landing call interactions. On Mon, Sep 5, 2011 at 10:01 AM, Durk Talsma durkt...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Adrian, So far, only ground to AI aircraft and AI aircraft to ground is implemented, as part of the FGATCController class. This system, if proven functional, should probably be split into a separate module and applied to all comunication, including player-to-ground and player- to-player. All code is available in my clone, branch radio-att. I'm a little pressed for time this week, so I have to keep my response a little on the short side. In essence, I think that this would be any extremely cool feature to have. Do you already have a working copy that you would consider merging with flightgear/next? If so, I would like to do so and give it a shot (after having tried it locally and after ensuring that everything works okay). So far, I only have one humble request, which is an option to conditionally disable it. Although I haven't really had the need to listen to distant stations yet, I can imagine that certain situations will arise where I need to be able to follow ATC messages across larger distances. Given that during the development cycle I would rather concentrate on debugging than on deciphering a radio message, I think that an option to conditionally disable ATC signal attenuation would be very welcome. Cheers, Durk -- Special Offer -- Download ArcSight Logger for FREE! Finally, a world-class log management solution at an even better price-free! And you'll get a free Love Thy Logs t-shirt when you download Logger. Secure your free ArcSight Logger TODAY! http://p.sf.net/sfu/arcsisghtdev2dev ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel -- Special Offer -- Download ArcSight Logger for FREE! Finally, a world-class log management solution at an even better price-free! And you'll get a free Love Thy Logs t-shirt when you download Logger. Secure your free ArcSight Logger TODAY! http://p.sf.net/sfu/arcsisghtdev2dev ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] new An-2
Tim Moore timoor...@gmail.com writes: I have created the ac-an2 repository, which includes only the An-2 (duh), and deleted the an2 from fgdata. so where is the new repository? is there a way of integrating it with the rest of the data so that when i do a 'git pull' in fgdata it automatically does a 'git pull' in the ac-an2 repository as well? thanks. --alex-- -- | I believe the moment is at hand when, by a paranoiac and active | | advance of the mind, it will be possible (simultaneously with | | automatism and other passive states) to systematize confusion | | and thus to help to discredit completely the world of reality. | -- Get a FREE DOWNLOAD! and learn more about uberSVN rich system, user administration capabilities and model configuration. Take the hassle out of deploying and managing Subversion and the tools developers use with it. http://p.sf.net/sfu/wandisco-dev2dev ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] new An-2
Tim Moore timoor...@gmail.com writes: You can look at git submodules, which would give you a way to do that. i did, but it's not very clear to me what exactly i am supposed to do. i did a 'git clone git://.../ac-an2' in the fgdata/Aircraft directory, then i tried 'git submodule add Aircraft/ac-an2' in the fgdata directory but that gave me a copy of the ac-an2 in the fgdata directory. maybe somebody could post step-by-step instructions on how to do this. thanks. --alex-- -- | I believe the moment is at hand when, by a paranoiac and active | | advance of the mind, it will be possible (simultaneously with | | automatism and other passive states) to systematize confusion | | and thus to help to discredit completely the world of reality. | -- FREE DOWNLOAD - uberSVN with Social Coding for Subversion. Subversion made easy with a complete admin console. Easy to use, easy to manage, easy to install, easy to extend. Get a Free download of the new open ALM Subversion platform now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/wandisco-dev2dev ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Proposal: Move airplanes to an SVN repository
On Fri, Jun 24, 2011 at 6:51 AM, Scott scott.hamil...@popplanet.biz wrote: Using SVN so you can download stuff on the fly is ridiculous, The most popular and platform agnostic way to do downloading from multiple locations, with caching and automatic updates, is HTTP these days. Does anybody know offhand how much trouble it would be for our source code to have all loaders of aircraft files go through a library that understands what a relative URL is? If we can cut that over, anybody can develop and host an airplane simply by sticking some static files on the web somewhere. Which can reference components of other airplanes. -- All the data continuously generated in your IT infrastructure contains a definitive record of customers, application performance, security threats, fraudulent activity and more. Splunk takes this data and makes sense of it. Business sense. IT sense. Common sense.. http://p.sf.net/sfu/splunk-d2d-c1 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Proposal: Move airplanes to an SVN repository
Putting map data on SVN made incremental updates feasible. Both for maintainer uploads, and user caches. A similar argument applies to the aircraft, with the complications that (a) there are more maintainers with less coordination, and (b) the dependency graph between directories is not trivial. On the other hand, we don't need streaming on-demand retrieval since few pilots are expected to change aircraft in mid-flight. 8-) Those two complications mean that either we have to do a whole checkout (in which case we might as well use GIT) or maintainers have to mark up their directories with dependency metadata to support automated update tools (in which case SVN would work but not be ideal). I think the critical question is whether maintainers are willing to do that. Suppose they are. A post-commit hook collects all the dependency data, sprinkled across the directories, into a single self-consistent file. The client side utility does a single update to get that file, and then whatever additional updates it specifies for the desired aircraft. SVN would work well enough. We would know the total bandwidth cost for each aircraft (before caching). Supposing we continue to use GIT for development and whole-repository replication, and replace SVN with HTTP for people who want to do quick and incremental aircraft downloads. We can easily prototype the HTTP version by selecting a 1GB subset of the archive for demonstration using AppEngine free quota ... while the community evaluates that prototype. The replica of GIT head in appengine is about $2/month. Add about $1 for any user who chooses to use HTTP to replicate the entire repository instead of using GIT (but we can discourage that). Assuming most individual aircraft are a tiny fraction of the repository (especially after allowing for texture reuse), the true expenses are probably quite manageable. http://code.google.com/appengine/docs/billing.html There are probably cheaper static web hosting options out there, but I figured these numbers are a useful starting point. Personally, I don't see a value in offering HTTP per-file instead of SVN per-directory, but others may do. Hence the discussion above. -- All the data continuously generated in your IT infrastructure contains a definitive record of customers, application performance, security threats, fraudulent activity and more. Splunk takes this data and makes sense of it. Business sense. IT sense. Common sense.. http://p.sf.net/sfu/splunk-d2d-c1 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Proposal: Move airplanes to an SVN repository
On Sat, Jun 25, 2011 at 4:01 PM, Vivian Meazza vivian.mea...@lineone.net wrote: Personally, I don't see a value in offering HTTP per-file instead of SVN per-directory, but others may do. Hence the discussion above. The main problem right now is that Git cannot cope with the size of the data, and it's getting worse by the day. The Git data repo on Gitorious is no longer fit for purpose as currently configured. I'm not trying to defend staying on single-Git, but I think the first step is to implement on-demand loading of individual aircraft (and dependencies) and prove that it works. Otherwise we'll be exposing end users to a lot of breakage. Once we can demand load reliably, breaking the repo into many pieces is relatively trivial. Streaming was mentioned (perhaps as a nice-to-have) in the context of Multiplayer. If you didn't have a particular model then it might be streamed instead of showing the rocket propelled blue and yellow glider. That's an excellent point, thank you. -- All the data continuously generated in your IT infrastructure contains a definitive record of customers, application performance, security threats, fraudulent activity and more. Splunk takes this data and makes sense of it. Business sense. IT sense. Common sense.. http://p.sf.net/sfu/splunk-d2d-c1 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightGear development entered state feature-freeze until July, 17th 2011
Am Wed, 22 Jun 2011 13:20:17 +0200 schrieb Arnt Karlsen a...@c2i.net: On Tue, 21 Jun 2011 23:42:41 +0200, Alex wrote in message 20110621234241.5daf0f9e@main: I am using system: Linux 2.6.39.1 #2 SMP x86_64 GNU/Linux Debian Stable/Squeeze ATI Technologies Inc RS880 [Radeon HD 4200] ..a laptop? no Driver: fglrx, mostly latest version, 11.6 atm (11.1/11.2 during testing, IIRC) ..try the radeon driver, it should support your graphics card better by now. It may also expose other bugs you haven't seen yet, exactly because you have been using fglrx. What is your point? How is that related to the versions of the dependencies of SG/FG? -- Simplify data backup and recovery for your virtual environment with vRanger. Installation's a snap, and flexible recovery options mean your data is safe, secure and there when you need it. Data protection magic? Nope - It's vRanger. Get your free trial download today. http://p.sf.net/sfu/quest-sfdev2dev ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightGear development entered state feature-freeze until July, 17th 2011
Am Wed, 22 Jun 2011 14:48:59 +0200 schrieb Arnt Karlsen a...@c2i.net: On Wed, 22 Jun 2011 13:37:27 +0200, Alex wrote in message 20110622133727.6a7007df@main: Am Wed, 22 Jun 2011 13:20:17 +0200 schrieb Arnt Karlsen a...@c2i.net: On Tue, 21 Jun 2011 23:42:41 +0200, Alex wrote in message 20110621234241.5daf0f9e@main: I am using system: Linux 2.6.39.1 #2 SMP x86_64 GNU/Linux Debian Stable/Squeeze ATI Technologies Inc RS880 [Radeon HD 4200] ..a laptop? no Driver: fglrx, mostly latest version, 11.6 atm (11.1/11.2 during testing, IIRC) ..try the radeon driver, it should support your graphics card better by now. It may also expose other bugs you haven't seen yet, exactly because you have been using fglrx. What is your point? ..the radeon and radeonhd drivers are both in development just like FG and may do now what they did not do the last time you tried them, my guess is the radeon driver on your card, should beat both fglrx and radeonhd, so come on and prove me wrong. ;o) How is that related to the versions of the dependencies of SG/FG? ..I'm talking about the ATI bugs that none of the Nvidea owner FG developers could see, and that I suspect is part driver, part OSG, part SG and part FG. ..trying another driver with everything else left as is, gives us all a new observation. (I haven't been able to do that myself due to RL issues such as housing.) ..I _have_ seen improvements since I filed bug #264, but there are also #295 and maybe #320, my #264 and #295 may be related to #96. ..whenever OSG, SG or FG demands something that the hardware cannot support, the driver should reject that demand and tell us a little more than: r300: ERROR: FS input generic 17 unassigned, not enough hardware slots. so I can try _educated_ guesses. Ahh, I see. You're suggesting to use radeon/hd driver to find bugs so the drivers/osg/sg/fg could be improved? However, back to the topic: at the moment, what version of osg do you recommend for systems using the radeon/hd drivers? -- Simplify data backup and recovery for your virtual environment with vRanger. Installation's a snap, and flexible recovery options mean your data is safe, secure and there when you need it. Data protection magic? Nope - It's vRanger. Get your free trial download today. http://p.sf.net/sfu/quest-sfdev2dev ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Heads up: scenery download / built-interrasync
If occasional 50x responses occur in batches, but not for most simulation runs where you synchronize scenery, don't worry about it and certainly don't blame the FGFS codebase. If 50x's occur routinely for several hours, feel free to let me know. Just in case the shared backend is misbehaving. Aside: I don't think terrasync (and thus probably the integrated library) reschedules failed requests for a few minutes later; maybe it should do so? On Wed, Jun 22, 2011 at 7:28 AM, Alan Teeder ajtee...@v-twin.org.uk wrote: Thanks for the help. The built in SVN is now available and working. Failed to synchronize directory ´Airports/Q', Server sent unexpected return value (502 Bad Gateway) in response to PROPFIND for 'svn/!svn/bln/16328/trunck/data/Scenery/Airports/R' (code 175002) SVN repository cleanup successful for 'Airports/Q' -- Simplify data backup and recovery for your virtual environment with vRanger. Installation's a snap, and flexible recovery options mean your data is safe, secure and there when you need it. Data protection magic? Nope - It's vRanger. Get your free trial download today. http://p.sf.net/sfu/quest-sfdev2dev ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightGear development entered state feature-freeze until July, 17th 2011
I am also interested in this and since nobody replied yet I am starting the discussion by bringing up my personal experiences: OpenAL-Soft/libopenal: AFAIK at least version 1.11.753 is needed to have all features (like doppler), though older versions may work as well. plib: Version 1.8.6. Why and how to obtain it can be found here [1]. Pretty old but still up to date, as far as I know. OpenSceneGraph: My personal experience, which includes some testing of different versions, is that 2.9.10 works best here. At later versions the osgText-bug is fixed which causes FG to have a bug. The oldest version I've tested was 2.8.3 with which I got random seg faults in FG quite often. The latest stable release 2.8.5 was *not* tested, this would be an option. I am using system: Linux 2.6.39.1 #2 SMP x86_64 GNU/Linux Debian Stable/Squeeze ATI Technologies Inc RS880 [Radeon HD 4200] Driver: fglrx, mostly latest version, 11.6 atm (11.1/11.2 during testing, IIRC) [1] http://www.mail-archive.com/flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net/msg21059.html Alex Sun, 19 Jun 2011 20:50:25 +0200 Jari Häkkinen j...@flygarna.se: Torsten Dreyer skrev 2011-06-17 21.47: Anticipating the release 2.4.0, we reached our first milestone today. The development streams for flightgear, simgear and fgdata on gitorious are now declared frozen. The above states quite clearly that testing is expected to be against the source repositories for fg source/data and simgear. There are many other 3rd party software dependencies whereof the most prominent are plib and osg. Which version of these packages should be used for 2.4.0 testing? -- EditLive Enterprise is the world's most technically advanced content authoring tool. Experience the power of Track Changes, Inline Image Editing and ensure content is compliant with Accessibility Checking. http://p.sf.net/sfu/ephox-dev2dev ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightGear development entered state feature-freeze until July, 17th 2011
Am Tue, 21 Jun 2011 23:42:41 +0200 schrieb Alex D-HUND f...@beggabaur.de: Oops, wrong link for the plib version. Should be: [1]http://www.mail-archive.com/flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net/msg20793.html I am also interested in this and since nobody replied yet I am starting the discussion by bringing up my personal experiences: OpenAL-Soft/libopenal: AFAIK at least version 1.11.753 is needed to have all features (like doppler), though older versions may work as well. plib: Version 1.8.6. Why and how to obtain it can be found here [1]. Pretty old but still up to date, as far as I know. OpenSceneGraph: My personal experience, which includes some testing of different versions, is that 2.9.10 works best here. At later versions the osgText-bug is fixed which causes FG to have a bug. The oldest version I've tested was 2.8.3 with which I got random seg faults in FG quite often. The latest stable release 2.8.5 was *not* tested, this would be an option. I am using system: Linux 2.6.39.1 #2 SMP x86_64 GNU/Linux Debian Stable/Squeeze ATI Technologies Inc RS880 [Radeon HD 4200] Driver: fglrx, mostly latest version, 11.6 atm (11.1/11.2 during testing, IIRC) [1] http://www.mail-archive.com/flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net/msg21059.html Alex Sun, 19 Jun 2011 20:50:25 +0200 Jari Häkkinen j...@flygarna.se: Torsten Dreyer skrev 2011-06-17 21.47: Anticipating the release 2.4.0, we reached our first milestone today. The development streams for flightgear, simgear and fgdata on gitorious are now declared frozen. The above states quite clearly that testing is expected to be against the source repositories for fg source/data and simgear. There are many other 3rd party software dependencies whereof the most prominent are plib and osg. Which version of these packages should be used for 2.4.0 testing? -- EditLive Enterprise is the world's most technically advanced content authoring tool. Experience the power of Track Changes, Inline Image Editing and ensure content is compliant with Accessibility Checking. http://p.sf.net/sfu/ephox-dev2dev ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel -- EditLive Enterprise is the world's most technically advanced content authoring tool. Experience the power of Track Changes, Inline Image Editing and ensure content is compliant with Accessibility Checking. http://p.sf.net/sfu/ephox-dev2dev ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] use-custom-scenery-data
Ahoy, you'll find the verified .parking.xml files for the five said airports here: http://fgfs.beggabaur.de/daten/KHAF.groundnet.xml http://fgfs.beggabaur.de/daten/KHWD.groundnet.xml http://fgfs.beggabaur.de/daten/KOAK.groundnet.xml http://fgfs.beggabaur.de/daten/KSFO.groundnet.xml http://fgfs.beggabaur.de/daten/KSJC.groundnet.xml What I did: Opened the airports from apt.dat.gz of fgdata (recent git version) into a recent version of TaxiDraw (mapserver/git). Imported the ground net from the same fgdata, Scenery/Airports directories, and then used the tool to verify it. At each airport I had to mark some nodes which were placed on runways but not marked as such. I marked all of them even those that were on the runway but beyond the threshold, see KHAF[1] as an example. What I didn't: Verifying anything else such as parking positions and radio frequencies, just because I don't have a reference for them. Hopefully this was how it was meant to be. ;-) At least parking positions were recognised, besides KSFO I didn't get any AI aircraft, though. At KSFO the planes weren't stacked anymore. The network at KSFO is a total mess. There are routes where there is no taxiway at all and some of the routes are not well aligned with the underlying taxiway[2]. Besides some little experience with groundnet I have no clue about the ai-system. I might have a closer look at it in the upcoming days, though. Greetings Alex [1] http://fgfs.beggabaur.de/daten/KHAF_Taxidraw.jpg [2] http://fgfs.beggabaur.de/daten/KSFO.parking.jpg Thu, 9 Jun 2011 11:41:41 +0200 Durk Talsma durkt...@gmail.com: Hi Alex, On 09 Jun 2011, at 11:21, Alex B. wrote: Basically, verifying the files would entail loading them into a recent version of taxidraw, selecting the verify groundnetwork option and correcting any errors indicated. Then they can be resaved. If you decide to do this, please ensure to send a copy to the updated files to me, so I can upload them to the terrasync repository. Cheers, durk -- EditLive Enterprise is the world's most technically advanced content authoring tool. Experience the power of Track Changes, Inline Image Editing and ensure content is compliant with Accessibility Checking. http://p.sf.net/sfu/ephox-dev2dev ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Heads up: scenery download / built-in terrasync
Excellent! On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 12:50 PM, ThorstenB bre...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, the final GUI bits for a new feature are now in fgdata - the last feature addition for the 2.4 release from my part... You can download/update scenery directly from FlightGear now (main menu: Environment = Scenery). Credit for the idea goes to James - bugs are mine ;-). It provides built-in terrasync support - with some advantages: * Configuration requires a scenery target directory only (your terrasync directory) and a checkbox to enable. For now, you'll also need to provide the terrasync directory as part of your --fg-scenery paths (otherwise you won't see downloaded scenery). Maybe we can add the directory to the search path internally some time, simplifying things even more. Should help anyway (especially new users) in obtaining world scenery. Not quite as simple as loading scenery with Google Earth yet - but closer... Before someone asks: the scenery server address is displayed in the GUI, but editing is disabled. Is there any reason (right now), why users would want to change? (You could still change using preferences.xml / property browser though). * You can enable/disable scenery download any time using the menu. When you notice mid-flight that scenery is missing, just enable the download checkbox and wait a bit (depending on your connection speed ;-) ). * There is also a (still experimental) option to refresh scenery tiles once their update is complete. You could warp into a new region, initially see ocean only (default replacement for missing scenery) and eventually see the ocean tiles being replaced by actual scenery. That's still experimental though, the update logic requires improvement. Looks weird when scenery tiles are removed when the a/c is just parked/rolling on them (old scenery disappears for a second before the fresh one reappears). Also bad on final approach... And the a/c position and altitude of clouds may need to be adapted when scenery altitude has changed - which is a problem when ocean (sea level) is replaced by actual scenery (mountains...). Usually ok to enable the feature mid-flight. Otherwise, there is also a manual refresh button, so you could choose yourself at what time to replace ocean/missing scenery. The feature reuses the terrasync sources and relies on a subversion client. Either using built-in subversion (when libsvn is installed, which is recommended). Otherwise, fgfs tries calling an external utility (svn) for downloads. All the same as with original terrasync. The built-in svn support is enabled for automake right now (use --with_libsvn=no to disable). It's off by default for cmake builds (we could change that, use ENABLE_LIBSVN to enable for now). The cmake build isn't really well tested yet - except that Hudson seems happy for all targets. And as mentioned, I'd need help with cmake if it wasn't working properly. And it'd also be good to get Hudson to build the Windows/Mac binaries with built-in svn support (seems to do that for Linux/automake already). As usual, report any (new) issues. If you don't like the feature, keep the checkbox disabled and the whole thing shouldn't bother you. You can keep using manual downloads or the separate terrasync utility as before (which lives on), of course. cheers, Thorsten PS: Yes, a complete update (sg+fg+fgdata) is required for things to work. -- EditLive Enterprise is the world's most technically advanced content authoring tool. Experience the power of Track Changes, Inline Image Editing and ensure content is compliant with Accessibility Checking. http://p.sf.net/sfu/ephox-dev2dev ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel -- EditLive Enterprise is the world's most technically advanced content authoring tool. Experience the power of Track Changes, Inline Image Editing and ensure content is compliant with Accessibility Checking. http://p.sf.net/sfu/ephox-dev2dev ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] use-custom-scenery-data
Ahoy Martin, thanks for replying, but let me rephrase my initial questions. No. 1) Durk wrote[1]: [...]and the files that are still called parking are the ones that I still need to rename / improve / verify. There are still files called parking in the base package. Maybe someone will rename / improve / verify them before the 2.4.0 release. I even do volunteer for this job if I'd only know what to do and if there is no nasal or C++ coding involved. find $fgdata/Scenery/ -name *parking* $fgdata/Scenery/Airports/K/H/W/KHWD.parking.xml $fgdata/Scenery/Airports/K/H/A/KHAF.parking.xml $fgdata/Scenery/Airports/K/O/A/KOAK.parking.xml $fgdata/Scenery/Airports/K/S/F/KSFO.parking.xml $fgdata/Scenery/Airports/K/S/J/KSJC.parking.xml No. 2) Never mind, I'll just ignore that one. ;-) Griassla Alex [1] http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/message.php?msg_id=24237463 -- EditLive Enterprise is the world's most technically advanced content authoring tool. Experience the power of Track Changes, Inline Image Editing and ensure content is compliant with Accessibility Checking. http://p.sf.net/sfu/ephox-dev2dev ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
[Flightgear-devel] use-custom-scenery-data
Ahoy Scenery Guys, two things related to the transitional solution use-custom-scenery-data I stumbled on: No. 1) As Csaba already pointed out a few days ago[1], aren't the files named ICAO.parking.xml in $fgdata/Scenery/Airports/I/C/A/ supposed to be named as ICAO.groundnet.xml in order to work? I am just talking about $fgdata/Scenery[2], which is the base package, and *not* about any other Scenery path. As an example I am picking KSFO.parking.xml[3]. If I rename it to KSFO.groundnet.xml and set /sim/paths/use-custom-scenery-data to true, the given parking positions in that file actually start to work. No 2.) I stumbled on the above issue while trying to figure out why many models are not displayed in the Scenery of the base package[2]. See the screen shot for KSFO using --fg-scenery=fgfs/fgdata/Scenery[4] compared to the one using --fg-scenery=fgfs/scenery.terrasync. Most of the shared airport models (all of them?) are missing. Namely I figured out at least: markerboard.xml, RectangularGroundmarker_RedWhite.xml, hold-lights.xml, tower.xml, windsock_lit.xml,... Can someone give me hint on why this could happen and how to solve it? Greetings Alex [1] http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/message.php?msg_id=24231184 [2] http://mapserver.flightgear.org/git/?p=fgdata;a=tree;f=Scenery;h=8c73873a1097699682f40d0ad0ba455c66b65cbe;hb=HEAD [3] http://mapserver.flightgear.org/git/?p=fgdata;a=blob;f=Scenery/Airports/K/S/F/KSFO.parking.xml;h=e46672d927968ab35117c7cb41423b10b885af82;hb=HEAD [4] KSFO base package: http://fgfs.beggabaur.de/daten/fgfs-screen-098.jpg [5] KSFO terrasync: http://fgfs.beggabaur.de/daten/fgfs-screen-102.jpg -- EditLive Enterprise is the world's most technically advanced content authoring tool. Experience the power of Track Changes, Inline Image Editing and ensure content is compliant with Accessibility Checking. http://p.sf.net/sfu/ephox-dev2dev ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] sound problem
Ahoy, you need to create an OpenAL config file which helps to find the sound devices. The files name is ~/.alsoftrc and may contain something like: drivers = alsa [alsa] # ALSA backend stuff device = default capture = default There are plenty of examples on the net. hth Alex Am Sun, 29 May 2011 06:35:17 -0400 schrieb kaiowas krep...@gmail.com: Hello, I re-install FlightGear GIT version. I installed according to these steps: http://wiki.flightgear.org/Building_FlightGear_-_Debian But no sound from aircraft. /usr/local/games/FlightGear/bin/fgfs --show-sound-devices --fg-root=/usr/local/games/FlightGear/fgdata Processing command line arguments Error: Audio device not available, trying default Error: Default Audio device not available. unknown provided by unknown No. Device ./openal-info Available playback devices: !!! none !!! Available capture devices: !!! none !!! Default playback device: Default capture device: ALC version: 1.1 !!! Failed to open default device !!! I using Debian Squeeze. My sound card is: 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation N10/ICH 7 Family High Definition Audio Controller (rev 01) What is problem? Suggest me solution please. Thanks Regards Ozgur Karatas -- vRanger cuts backup time in half-while increasing security. With the market-leading solution for virtual backup and recovery, you get blazing-fast, flexible, and affordable data protection. Download your free trial now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/quest-d2dcopy1 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel -- vRanger cuts backup time in half-while increasing security. With the market-leading solution for virtual backup and recovery, you get blazing-fast, flexible, and affordable data protection. Download your free trial now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/quest-d2dcopy1 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Fwd: Issue 184 in flightgear-bugs: JSBSim: command line arguments broken
Roland Häder r.hae...@gmx.de writes: with that latest changes I get this compiler error: http://pastebin.com/HuTaZ85Z this patch fixed for me: --- a/src/MultiPlayer/multiplaymgr.hxx +++ b/src/MultiPlayer/multiplaymgr.hxx @@ -34,6 +34,7 @@ #include string #include vector +#include memory #include simgear/compiler.h #include simgear/props/props.hxx --alex-- -- | I believe the moment is at hand when, by a paranoiac and active | | advance of the mind, it will be possible (simultaneously with | | automatism and other passive states) to systematize confusion | | and thus to help to discredit completely the world of reality. | -- vRanger cuts backup time in half-while increasing security. With the market-leading solution for virtual backup and recovery, you get blazing-fast, flexible, and affordable data protection. Download your free trial now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/quest-d2dcopy1 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Props: /environment/wind-* obsolete?
Ahoy Torsten, I think I figured out what bugged me here. Last night I ran FG 2.2.0 and it still had the issue with the non working real-weather. By looking at its .fgfsrc I realised there is a second still enabled entry for '--random-wind'. Removing it also removed the issue. I must have 'accidently' removed it from the FG git .fgfsrc and that's why it suddenly started working. Would an option, --random-wind, even be necessary with the new weather stuff or could it be safely removed? (Which I would then, if I could. ;-)) Griassla Alex Am Tue, 3 May 2011 22:32:11 +0200 schrieb Alex D-HUND f...@beggabaur.de: Last night, when I was flying around LOWI, suddenly the textures for the cloud layers changed. I checked the values for the wind in prop tree and they were updating according to the ones of the real-weather metar string. After restarting FG I was positively surprised that it still worked. Checking the console output of the session where I realised that it suddenly worked brought up nothing. Log level was set to 'debug' though there was not much output. And even less that could have been related to this besides: Loading local weather routines... Compatibility layer: testing for hard coded support * can set light saturation:yes * hard coded terrain presampling: yes * terrain presampling initialized: no * can disable global weather: yes Compatibility layer: tests done. I was to dumb to think about saving the complete output to a file though. OTOH I am very certain that I didn't miss anything because there really wasn't much there. I have absolutely no idea what could have changed here. I am very certain that I had not had touched fgdata since my previous message, just because I did not have time for FG at all. Only thing that was altered is .fgfsrc of which you'll find a copy enclosed. -- Achieve unprecedented app performance and reliability What every C/C++ and Fortran developer should know. Learn how Intel has extended the reach of its next-generation tools to help boost performance applications - inlcuding clusters. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-dev2devmay ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Props: /environment/wind-* obsolete?
Am Wed, 04 May 2011 10:27:07 +0200 schrieb Torsten Dreyer tors...@t3r.de: I think it's an issue with enclosing the string with Yes it is, without them it works pretty well. Sorry for the trouble I caused, I think life is playing jokes on me. :-/ Alex -- WhatsUp Gold - Download Free Network Management Software The most intuitive, comprehensive, and cost-effective network management toolset available today. Delivers lowest initial acquisition cost and overall TCO of any competing solution. http://p.sf.net/sfu/whatsupgold-sd ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Props: /environment/wind-* obsolete?
Am Sun, 24 Apr 2011 16:00:59 +0200 schrieb Torsten Dreyer tors...@t3r.de: Your METAR reports VRB07G18 which is variable at 7kt with gusts up to 18kts. Our current weather implementation is not very creative about variable winds. They are currently picked as north at constant 7kts. This should result in /environment/wind-speed-kt=7 and /environment/wind-from-heading-deg=0 (and this is what I observe on my machine when setting your LOWI METAR). Could you please check the entire weather-path when starting fgfs --metar=LOWI 123456Z VRB07G18KT FEW070 BKN130 18/06 Q1013 Ok, and, to be more precise as in my former posts (oblivious me), I don't have any other weather related option in use. Like --random-wind or --turbulence=. I start with option --timeofday=noon. I am not certain if this matters but I read something about a 240 minutes 'expiration' or such for the METAR string. At least screenshot [1] is inside that timeframe. $ fgfs --disable-real-weather-fetch \ --metar=LOWI 123456Z VRB07G18KT FEW070 BKN130 18/06 Q1013 /environment/metar/data (LOWI 123456Z VRB07G18KT FEW070 BKN130 18/06 Q1013) 1.) /environment/metar/base-wind-from-north-fps=11.8 /environment/metar/base-wind-from-east-fps=0.0 /environment/metar/base-wind-from-north-fps (0) /environment/metar/base-wind-from-east-fps (0) Hmh, I guess the filter is not the issue. 2.) /environment/config/boundary/entry[0]/wind-from-north-fps=11.8 /environment/config/boundary/entry[0]/wind-from-east-fps=0.0 /environment/config/boundary/entry/wind-from-north-fps (-9.301369226e-16) /environment/config/boundary/entry/wind-from-east-fps (-5.063429571) 3.) /environment/config/interpolated/wind-from-north-fps=11.8 /environment/config/interpolated/wind-from-east-fps=0.0 /environment/config/interpolated/wind-from-north-fps (0.00714730596) /environment/config/interpolated/wind-from-east-fps (-5.104049682) 4.) /environment/wind-from-north-fps=11.8 /environment/wind-from-east-fps=0.0 /environment/wind-from-north-fps (0.2743804315) /environment/wind-from-east-fps (0.06240915831) From step 2. to 4., these values are fed through a low-pass filter and values may vary over time but should approach the numbers above. Please also check that /environment/presets/wind-override=false (or empty) /environment/presets does not exist /environment/config/presets/wind-override () /environment/config/enabled=true /environment/config/enabled (true) /environment/params/metar-updates-environment=true /environment/params/metar-updates-environment (true) Thank you Alex [1] http://fgfs.beggabaur.de/daten/fgfs-metar01.jpg Torsten Ahoy Torsten, thank you for taking your time on this issue and sorry for bothering you again. ;-) The HUD showing those values is a personal modification. I made another screenshot to confirm that it is just showing the roundet to interger values of the named properties [1] and you'll find the xml code enclosed. [1] http://fgfs.beggabaur.de/daten/fgfs-metar03.jpg Am Sat, 23 Apr 2011 21:25:17 +0200 schrieb Torsten Dreyer tors...@t3r.de: To compensate the lack of feel and indirect visual indicators of the wind conditions in the simulator I am monitoring the properties /environment/wind-from-heading-deg and wind-speed-kt. This worked out pretty good the past two years. I cannot tell when it stopped working but last night I realised it didn't anymore, see marked values at screenshot [1]. The ones from the HUD (255@25kt) are totally different from the ones in the METAR string (33007KT). Please, could someone point to the actual used properties for the wind conditions right next to the aircraft? Thanks. The wind at the aircraft's location is still in /environment/wind-from-heading-deg et. al. This does not necessarily match the reported wind in the METAR as it changes with altitude. However, I can't figure out from your screenshot why your hud reports 255@25 as it does not come close to any of the winds in boundary and aloft layers. Being a complete HUD ignorant: how did you manage to make the HUD show wind, anyway? If I cycle through the HUD styles (h-key), there is no such information!? Torsten -- Fulfilling the Lean Software Promise Lean software platforms are now widely adopted and the benefits have been demonstrated beyond question. Learn why your peers are replacing JEE containers with lightweight application servers - and what you can gain from the move. http://p.sf.net/sfu/vmware-sfemails ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
[Flightgear-devel] Props: /environment/wind-* obsolete?
To compensate the lack of feel and indirect visual indicators of the wind conditions in the simulator I am monitoring the properties /environment/wind-from-heading-deg and wind-speed-kt. This worked out pretty good the past two years. I cannot tell when it stopped working but last night I realised it didn't anymore, see marked values at screenshot [1]. The ones from the HUD (255@25kt) are totally different from the ones in the METAR string (33007KT). Please, could someone point to the actual used properties for the wind conditions right next to the aircraft? Thanks. Alex [1] http://fgfs.beggabaur.de/daten/fgfs-metar01.jpg -- Fulfilling the Lean Software Promise Lean software platforms are now widely adopted and the benefits have been demonstrated beyond question. Learn why your peers are replacing JEE containers with lightweight application servers - and what you can gain from the move. http://p.sf.net/sfu/vmware-sfemails ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Props: /environment/wind-* obsolete?
Ahoy Torsten, thank you for taking your time on this issue and sorry for bothering you again. ;-) The HUD showing those values is a personal modification. I made another screenshot to confirm that it is just showing the roundet to interger values of the named properties [1] and you'll find the xml code enclosed. [1] http://fgfs.beggabaur.de/daten/fgfs-metar03.jpg Am Sat, 23 Apr 2011 21:25:17 +0200 schrieb Torsten Dreyer tors...@t3r.de: To compensate the lack of feel and indirect visual indicators of the wind conditions in the simulator I am monitoring the properties /environment/wind-from-heading-deg and wind-speed-kt. This worked out pretty good the past two years. I cannot tell when it stopped working but last night I realised it didn't anymore, see marked values at screenshot [1]. The ones from the HUD (255@25kt) are totally different from the ones in the METAR string (33007KT). Please, could someone point to the actual used properties for the wind conditions right next to the aircraft? Thanks. The wind at the aircraft's location is still in /environment/wind-from-heading-deg et. al. This does not necessarily match the reported wind in the METAR as it changes with altitude. However, I can't figure out from your screenshot why your hud reports 255@25 as it does not come close to any of the winds in boundary and aloft layers. Being a complete HUD ignorant: how did you manage to make the HUD show wind, anyway? If I cycle through the HUD styles (h-key), there is no such information!? Torsten -- Fulfilling the Lean Software Promise Lean software platforms are now widely adopted and the benefits have been demonstrated beyond question. Learn why your peers are replacing JEE containers with lightweight application servers - and what you can gain from the move. http://p.sf.net/sfu/vmware-sfemails ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel !-- Wind -- label nameWind direction/name x95/x y-204/y width1/width height1/height input property/environment/wind-from-heading-deg/property factor1/factor damp0.0/damp /input format%5.0f/format prefixWind/prefix halignleft/halign /label label nameWind speed/name x177/x y-204/y width1/width height1/height input property/environment/wind-speed-kt/property factor1/factor damp0.0/damp /input format%3.0f kt/format prefix@/prefix halignright/halign /label-- Fulfilling the Lean Software Promise Lean software platforms are now widely adopted and the benefits have been demonstrated beyond question. Learn why your peers are replacing JEE containers with lightweight application servers - and what you can gain from the move. http://p.sf.net/sfu/vmware-sfemails___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] download_and_compile.sh script link
Am Mon, 11 Apr 2011 12:13:52 +0200 schrieb Francesco Angelo Brisa fbr...@gmail.com: for example some changes are to use osg 2.8.3 as default (Always use stabel version) since last versions does not compile with simgear. Ahoy Brisa, a few weeks ago I startet some testing with different versions of OSG on FG git 'next' and 'releases/2.2.0'. Version 2.8.3, the first one to test, turned out to seg fault FG quite often. More of them on two days than the 6 months before that test. I used the version from the Debian [1] repo and did not compile it myself. After that I decided to find the newest developer release that works properly here. Atm. I am using 2.9.10 [2] which seems to be pretty stable. With version 2.9.11 and newer there are, at least, issues with OsgText. System: ATI Technologies Inc RS880 [Radeon HD 4200] Catalyst 10.11 and 11.2 used during testing Kernel: 2.6.32-5-amd64 [1] Debian GNU/Linux Stable 6.x (Squeeze); libopenscenegraph-dev 2.8.3-5 [2] svn co http://www.openscenegraph.org/svn/osg/OpenSceneGraph/tags/OpenSceneGraph-2.9.10 Alex 8-) -- Xperia(TM) PLAY It's a major breakthrough. An authentic gaming smartphone on the nation's most reliable network. And it wants your games. http://p.sf.net/sfu/verizon-sfdev ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] ..simgear(?) link error, undefined references to SGPagedLOD
Arnt Karlsen a...@c2i.net writes: and OSG-svn does not build on neither g++-4.6 nor g++-4.5, which compiler version is used on the Hudson server? what are you talking about? osg svn head builds just fine for me on debian unstable with g++ 4.5.2 and everything just works. --alex-- -- | I believe the moment is at hand when, by a paranoiac and active | | advance of the mind, it will be possible (simultaneously with | | automatism and other passive states) to systematize confusion | | and thus to help to discredit completely the world of reality. | -- Xperia(TM) PLAY It's a major breakthrough. An authentic gaming smartphone on the nation's most reliable network. And it wants your games. http://p.sf.net/sfu/verizon-sfdev ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Carrier Altitude
Tides? Ocean with LOD? On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 10:13 AM, Curtis Olson curtol...@gmail.com wrote: Quick explanation: the world is curved (oblate spheroid) so if in order to have an ocean that measures zero MSL at all points, it would have to be curved. To do this perfectly requires a *lot* of polygons. We have been using large polygons for the ocean so that leads to some errors depending on where you are within the polygon. Near the verticies will be pretty accurate, near the middle could be off by a few meters. Regards, Curt. On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 11:57 AM, Peter Brown smoothwater...@adelphia.net wrote: In attempting to place an item on the ocean surface, I came to realize that it's not the Nimitz that is hovering above MSL, it's that the ocean surface is about 7 meters below MSL. I was going to suggest simply dropping the carriers to match, but then looking around I discovered that it was not constant, as the ocean surface is different from front to back of the Nimitz. So the ocean surface is not flat. Where it meets the terrain north of the Golden Gate Bridge the water is at zero MSL. It then slopes down as it you head out to sea, to -8.72 meters below sea level, before starting to come back up again. I did not continue out to see if it continues to rise and fall, or if it's purely a dip in this area. This is different from the ocean surface being curved to match the earth, as it actually has a dip, at least in this spot. See screenshots - Terrain intersection north of Golden Gate [URL=http://s512.photobucket.com/albums/t325/barefootr/?action=viewcurrent=Screenshot2011-01-24at102804PM.png][IMG]http://i512.photobucket.com/albums/t325/barefootr/th_Screenshot2011-01-24at102804PM.png[/IMG][/URL] At the Nimtiz [URL=http://s512.photobucket.com/albums/t325/barefootr/?action=viewcurrent=Screenshot2011-01-24at100253PM.png][IMG]http://i512.photobucket.com/albums/t325/barefootr/th_Screenshot2011-01-24at100253PM.png[/IMG][/URL] West of Nimitz [URL=http://s512.photobucket.com/albums/t325/barefootr/?action=viewcurrent=Screenshot2011-01-24at103120PM.png][IMG]http://i512.photobucket.com/albums/t325/barefootr/th_Screenshot2011-01-24at103120PM.png[/IMG][/URL] Anyone know why? Or, more importantly, can we set the carriers at an altitude appropriate for their default location, so they are no longer hovering? I'd prefer to do it globally so everyone was at the same altitude. Thanks, Peter -- Special Offer-- Download ArcSight Logger for FREE (a $49 USD value)! Finally, a world-class log management solution at an even better price-free! Download using promo code Free_Logger_4_Dev2Dev. Offer expires February 28th, so secure your free ArcSight Logger TODAY! http://p.sf.net/sfu/arcsight-sfd2d ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel -- Curtis Olson: http://www.atiak.com - http://aem.umn.edu/~uav/ http://www.flightgear.org - http://www.flightgear.org/blogs/category/curt/ -- Special Offer-- Download ArcSight Logger for FREE (a $49 USD value)! Finally, a world-class log management solution at an even better price-free! Download using promo code Free_Logger_4_Dev2Dev. Offer expires February 28th, so secure your free ArcSight Logger TODAY! http://p.sf.net/sfu/arcsight-sfd2d ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel -- Special Offer-- Download ArcSight Logger for FREE (a $49 USD value)! Finally, a world-class log management solution at an even better price-free! Download using promo code Free_Logger_4_Dev2Dev. Offer expires February 28th, so secure your free ArcSight Logger TODAY! http://p.sf.net/sfu/arcsight-sfd2d ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
[Flightgear-devel] Fwd: Announcing Summer of Code 2011
Seems like FlightGear (as a mentoring organization) has a month remaining to decide what we're going to do. Hello contact - Google is excited to announce Google Summer of CodeTM 2011! Google Summer of Code is a program designed to encourage student participation in open source development by offering these developers stipends to write code for various open source projects. Google will be working with a carefully selected group of open source, free software and technology-related groups to identify and fund a wide variety of opensource projects over a three month period. Since 2005 the program has brought together over 4,500 students around the globe with over 300 open source projects, to create millions of lines of code. [...] Here at Google, we want to inspire young developers to begin participating in open source development. Google Summer of Code provides opportunities for students in Computer Science and related fields to work on projects related to their academic pursuits. We will be accepting student applications from March 28 - April 8, 2011. For more information on Google Summer of Code 2011 and how to apply, please visit: http://socghop.appspot.com For those with further questions, please email: google-summer-of-code-disc...@googlegroups.com Thank You! Google Summer of Code Team -- Special Offer-- Download ArcSight Logger for FREE (a $49 USD value)! Finally, a world-class log management solution at an even better price-free! Download using promo code Free_Logger_4_Dev2Dev. Offer expires February 28th, so secure your free ArcSight Logger TODAY! http://p.sf.net/sfu/arcsight-sfd2d ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] 3D clouds and precepitation affects.
On Mon, Nov 29, 2010 at 2:21 AM, Tim Moore timoor...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Nov 29, 2010 at 9:39 AM, thorsten.i.r...@jyu.fi wrote: One more observation. Yesterday I was doing tweaks to the spin related functions in my model and during spin tests I noticed that I get the same affect when I am in a spin only the clouds are rotating about a vertical axis Yes - same reason - rapid change of the orientation of the view axis. The problem is generic: a real cloud is a 3-d distribution of droplets, i.e. for rendering purposes a function f(x,y,z) of opaqueness where projections like \int f(x,y,z) dz = c(x,y) determine the appearance of the cloud as seen from the z-direction. I don't quite know if one could render that in real time if enough interpolation is used (I'm no 3d rendering expert), but even coming up with a physically correct f(x,y,z) which projects in all directions into something like a cloud is a pretty hard task. I've been thinking that, especially with multiplayer in mind, what we need is a cloud factory that takes some random (or manually selected) values and generates a realistic looking f(x,y,z) for a given class of weather phenomenon. That lets all the participants share the generator parameters and thereby have consistent rendering of the sky with suitable realism. People whose graphics servers have true 3D voxel support can use the function directly. The current state of the art in cloud rendering does treat the cloud as some kind of 3d density function and then renders it using tricks that more-or-less emulate ray-tracing. Such a system would require a lot of work to implement in fgfs (GSoC project?) The advantage of the current system is that it looks pretty good and doesn't need very powerful graphics hardware. If we outsource the conversion from voxels to blurry texture layers, the machines which are trying to maintain consistent framerate can simply send RPCs with a cone of likely flight paths and get back a cheap decomposition that looks good from those paths. Airplanes in formation or, for example, following a standard departure path will be able to reuse the decompositions. The reason I'd like to get the raytracing off the UI is that the server can use its graphics card to perform the matrix operations for doing decompositions. So we have to fake it by using texture sheets projected onto something, and then there is always some situation in which the nature of the fake is apparent. I can given you clouds which look more or less realistic in level flight and normal airplane operation (by using rather high-resolution cloud images as done now) - but they rotate in an odd way when you do aerobatics. An alternative might be to use non-rotating crosses -- like the trees -- for the cloud blobs. The problem is that the blending between the blobs becomes even trickier than what we have now. It might work well if we have a dodecahedron of textures, but only show six at any given time. That way, we're always blending about one third of our textures in or out ... and it never snaps from one to the next. I can give you static cloud sheets which look great from far below or high above - but they look unrealistically flat when level with them (doesn't work for convective clouds though - I did some of the Cirrus sheets that way). I can give you clouds which are stable against the rotations you observe in aerobatics - but they behave in an odd way when you are close to them. I can give you clouds which are stable against aerobatics and have the right behaviour when you are close to them and look straight - but when you look out of the side window or take an external view they look odd. The problem isn't going to go away - you simply can't make a 2d sheet appear like a 3d object without the 2d nature being revealed somewhere, in some situation - it's like asking from a stage magician that you should be allowed to sit and observe behind the stage as well - if you want something which looks always and everywhere like a genuine 3d object, you need a genuine 3d object. All you can do is decide where you want the problem to be. And I guess that having clouds which are stable against an airplane flying through them are more desirable as clouds which look good from a spin... But you could simply edit the cloud shaders to insert the relative position vector to the object as the reference vector for the transform rather than the view axis just to see if you like that better - it's one line to edit I think. Stacking many 2d illusions into a 3d volume is a step towards a genuine 3d object, and Tim appears to think it can be done I've been looking at the clouds code again recently, which is oddly slow on my monster machine (Phenom II x6, GTX 460) . It has the same problem that the trees code did before a big makeover: it uses instancing techniques on geometry (flat quads) that is to far simple to be treated as an
Re: [Flightgear-devel] productwiki.com another flightgear page
On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 12:09 PM, Peter Brown smoothwater...@adelphia.net wrote: On Dec 15, 2010, at 2:23 PM, Citronnier - Alexis Bory wrote: I did (mid october) a flightgear page on Productwiki site. Product wiki is an intersting site where you can describe and rewiew any product on a wiki basis. So feel free to improve the page and add review. Since the creation, additional links appeared on the Product manuals (click see all on the right column). http://www.productwiki.com/flightgear-flight-simulator/ Based on what I saw when following the link, I might suggest that it's not a good way to promote FlightGear, since it's not for sale. There are an Amazon and Ebay link on the site main stage as someplace to buy FlightGear, which purely takes the potential user away from what FlightGear is and exposes them to Flight Simulators that are commercial and available to purchase. I suggest a commercial product page is an excellent place to sell CDs and DVDs that include the binaries (for all platforms), all source code, the base image, and as much scenery as will fit. And the game live disk image that we've had for a while. For a bonus, add links to the t-shirts, mugs and the donation page. 8-) -- Lotusphere 2011 Register now for Lotusphere 2011 and learn how to connect the dots, take your collaborative environment to the next level, and enter the era of Social Business. http://p.sf.net/sfu/lotusphere-d2d ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Hey Curt... :)
On Sat, Nov 13, 2010 at 7:35 AM, Arnt Karlsen a...@c2i.net wrote: On Sat, 13 Nov 2010 09:57:14 +, James wrote in message On 12 Nov 2010, at 23:44, Curtis Olson wrote: My personal rule-of-thumb is to only commit when I've got time to watch the Hudson board go green - it's on an hourly poll at the moment, though we can allow other users to manually kick off builds, if you ask Gene nicely. Ah, sorry to disappoint, but you have to commit to Git first - unlike some setups, we haven't engineered a 'compile before publish' system. Hence my ensuring I have time to watch Hudson *after* a commit, and, for example, make a fix commit if I broke something. ..an idea; a bad commit that doesn't compile successfully, can it be reverted automatically? That way git would stay unbroken, until new unbroken code is added etc and compiles successfully. I like automatic build systems which, if .. * a commit fails to build for any platform, * the prior build passed for every platform, * only one commit happened in that time, * the word CRITICAL is nowhere in the change description, ... automatically rolls back ... and tells someone. As a bonus, if it fails at the third bullet, it can automatically submit builds for all the intervening releases in an attempt to make the bullet pass. As another bonus, after the rollback, the fifth bullet looks back at the first bullet to see whether it failed to build for every platform and, if so, it would be nice for someone to be notified. -- Centralized Desktop Delivery: Dell and VMware Reference Architecture Simplifying enterprise desktop deployment and management using Dell EqualLogic storage and VMware View: A highly scalable, end-to-end client virtualization framework. Read more! http://p.sf.net/sfu/dell-eql-dev2dev ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightGear Newsletter?????? - September 2010
On Sat, Oct 02, 2010 at 02:39:42PM +0100, James Turner wrote: On 1 Oct 2010, at 19:58, Gijs de Rooy wrote: I am proud to announce that the September edition of our newsletter is the longest ever! A big thank you to all contributors! I'm glad to see more and more devs (and users) add their pieces. And a big thanks to Gijs as always for assembling, chasing and editing the newsletter! It's a really good activity indicator for the project, for people who don't follow the forums or IRC. No kidding. We should probably make sure that back issues are persisted more thoroughly (and distributed) than just on the wiki server though. -- Start uncovering the many advantages of virtual appliances and start using them to simplify application deployment and accelerate your shift to cloud computing. http://p.sf.net/sfu/novell-sfdev2dev ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] aircraft search
James Turner zakal...@mac.com writes: Alex and Lance, I'm still confused as to the failures you are seeing. Assuming you're still seeing same issues after updating (and anyone else who is seeing something similar), I will make up a debug patch to see what's going on. still doesn't work for me (same behaviour). i'll try to find some time and figure out what's going on. --alex-- -- | I believe the moment is at hand when, by a paranoiac and active | | advance of the mind, it will be possible (simultaneously with | | automatism and other passive states) to systematize confusion | | and thus to help to discredit completely the world of reality. | -- This SF.net email is sponsored by Sprint What will you do first with EVO, the first 4G phone? Visit sprint.com/first -- http://p.sf.net/sfu/sprint-com-first ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] aircraft search
James Turner zakal...@mac.com writes: My basic plan is to send you a patch that adds many log calls, and get you to send me the console output with that applied. If you can get me an ssh login to a box with debug-enabled fgfs, I can do it in GDB, of course. post the patch, i'll give it a try. --alex-- -- | I believe the moment is at hand when, by a paranoiac and active | | advance of the mind, it will be possible (simultaneously with | | automatism and other passive states) to systematize confusion | | and thus to help to discredit completely the world of reality. | -- This SF.net email is sponsored by Sprint What will you do first with EVO, the first 4G phone? Visit sprint.com/first -- http://p.sf.net/sfu/sprint-com-first ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] aircraft search
Alex Romosan romo...@sycorax.lbl.gov writes:
James Turner ja...@bugless.co.uk writes:
Can you email me what you get for --show-aircraft? (off list, is best)
fgfs --show-aircraft
Available aircraft:
(that is nothing). this on linux.
on non ext* file systems readdir doesn't return the file type in d_type
so this explains why i kept getting an empty list for show-aircraft (my
flightgear directory is on reiserfs). i've already sent the patch to
james, but maybe somebody else also wants to give it a try (works for
me).
diff --git a/simgear/misc/sg_dir.cxx b/simgear/misc/sg_dir.cxx
index 9c5aa78..64232c3 100644
--- a/simgear/misc/sg_dir.cxx
+++ b/simgear/misc/sg_dir.cxx
@@ -119,25 +119,11 @@ PathList Dir::children(int types, const std::string nameFilter) const
continue;
}
-int type = entry-d_type;
-if (type == DT_LNK) {
- // find symlink target type using stat()
- struct stat s;
- if (stat(file(entry-d_name).c_str(), s)) {
-continue; // stat() failed
- }
-
- if (S_ISDIR(s.st_mode)) {
-type = DT_DIR;
- } else if (S_ISREG(s.st_mode)) {
-type = DT_REG;
- } else {
-// symlink to block/fifo/char file, ignore
-continue;
- }
-} // of symlink look-through
-
-if (type == DT_DIR) {
+struct stat st;
+if(stat(file(entry-d_name).c_str(), st))
+ continue; // stat() failed
+
+if (S_ISDIR(st.st_mode)) {
if (!(types TYPE_DIR)) {
continue;
}
@@ -147,7 +133,7 @@ PathList Dir::children(int types, const std::string nameFilter) const
continue;
}
}
-} else if (type == DT_REG) {
+} else if (S_ISREG(st.st_mode)) {
if (!(types TYPE_FILE)) {
continue;
}
--alex--
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Re: [Flightgear-devel] aircraft search
James Turner ja...@bugless.co.uk writes: Can you email me what you get for --show-aircraft? (off list, is best) fgfs --show-aircraft Available aircraft: (that is nothing). this on linux. --alex-- -- | I believe the moment is at hand when, by a paranoiac and active | | advance of the mind, it will be possible (simultaneously with | | automatism and other passive states) to systematize confusion | | and thus to help to discredit completely the world of reality. | -- This SF.net email is sponsored by Sprint What will you do first with EVO, the first 4G phone? Visit sprint.com/first -- http://p.sf.net/sfu/sprint-com-first ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] aircraft search
James Turner ja...@bugless.co.uk writes: dante:~$ fgfs --help Cannot find specified aircraft: b1900d Config option parsing failed ... All options command line options fail in the same way. (That's a little worrying actually.) Unfortunately that's due to how the --aircraft option is parsed - *before* most of the config files are loaded. You're on Unix, I infer from the paths you posted earlier ... hmm. Can you email me your .fgfsrc? i noticed something even stranger. for me, if the aircraft file matches the directory name then i can load it using --aircraft=aircraft syntax (tried it with f16, f-14b, b1900d and some others). if it doesn't (p61 and x35) then i get: Cannot find specified aircraft: p61 Config option parsing failed ... i tried it with and without a .fgfsrc file with the same results. this is with the latest from git. --alex-- -- | I believe the moment is at hand when, by a paranoiac and active | | advance of the mind, it will be possible (simultaneously with | | automatism and other passive states) to systematize confusion | | and thus to help to discredit completely the world of reality. | -- This SF.net email is sponsored by Sprint What will you do first with EVO, the first 4G phone? Visit sprint.com/first -- http://p.sf.net/sfu/sprint-com-first ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Multi core discussion
On Tue, Jul 6, 2010 at 5:12 AM, Csaba Halász csaba.hal...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Jul 6, 2010 at 1:45 PM, fiers...@zonnet.nl wrote: Many modern computers are running multicore CPU's. I have noticed that FGFS only uses one thread in one core. And FGFS appears to be processor bound on my Core-I7, because the one core thread is 100% busy while my FPS are dropping in areas with a lot of scenery details (like Paris, for instance) and lots of rendering goodies switched on. I find it hard to believe that you have performance problems with a core i7, assuming you got a halfway decent graphics card to go with it. Most of the _non-minimal rendering options use considerable CPU power on any GPU that is routinely available in a mobile form factor. If we want to be able to support non-desktop users (as well as simplify demonstrations at trade shows), we need to make sure that the main thread (and in fact that whole core) are entirely dedicated to rendering. FG itself isn't CPU limited, we barely use any processing power :) As such, parallelizing FG subsystems, while a good thing in theory and certainly for the future, wouldn't help much in your case. The reason why FG itself doesn't use any CPU power is that, whenever any of the subsystem developers tries to implement an underlying simulation improvement that requires non-trivial amounts of CPU, there is massive complaint from the eye candy side of the community. This appears as a tradeoff precisely because FG doesn't support multithreading. If we had threading working safely, any simulation subsystem could choose to run in its own thread and eat an entire core as needed. The single threaded limitation currently impacts the implementation of real time weather, microcell airmass, AI operations, non-steam instruments, as well as radio navigation realism. That I'm aware of ... there are presumably others too. -- This SF.net email is sponsored by Sprint What will you do first with EVO, the first 4G phone? Visit sprint.com/first -- http://p.sf.net/sfu/sprint-com-first ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
[Flightgear-devel] failed assertion
if i try to set the time of day (--timeofday) to anything i get fgfs: sunsolver.cxx:60: void fgSunPositionGST(double, double*, double*): Assertion `sun' failed. Abort without the timeofday flightgear starts normally. this is with the latest git. --alex-- -- | I believe the moment is at hand when, by a paranoiac and active | | advance of the mind, it will be possible (simultaneously with | | automatism and other passive states) to systematize confusion | | and thus to help to discredit completely the world of reality. | -- This SF.net email is sponsored by Sprint What will you do first with EVO, the first 4G phone? Visit sprint.com/first -- http://p.sf.net/sfu/sprint-com-first ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Is something amiss with altimeter settings?
On Sat, May 29, 2010 at 10:02 AM, Rob Shearman, Jr. rmsj...@yahoo.com wrote: Hi there -- Recently while flying with the MD-81 at cruise levels of FL330 or so, I noticed there were some significant discrepancies between the displayed altitude and the altitude found in the property tree at /position/altitude-ft. I was able to observe the same problem in the 777-200ER -- I flew a flight at 33000 and the Flight Tracker reported my altitude at close to 35000. So the discrepancy at cruise is as much as 1000-2000 feet sometimes, even when using the altimeter setting reported in the METAR (which, of course, you're not supposed to do above 18,000 in the U.S., but for testing purposes I did so to see if it accounted for the error). However, today loading up my custom ATC scope I observed a discrepancy in altimeter readings which may account for the problem. http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll209/rmsjr1974/altimeter-discrep.jpg Notice in the shot that the METAR is reporting 29.94, but the property tree and the scope panel are arriving at 29.90. I presume at high altitude this discrepancy would account for differences in the gauge reading. I don't understand the test you're doing. Did you manually set the instrument altimeter setting as 29.94 (copying the metar to the knob) and are now noticing that, despite doing that, FGFS internally reports what you did as 29.90? Or are you expecting FGFS to automatically copy the metar setting into the instrument, and are disappointed that it isn't doing so? This is with the 25 April CVS build, so if altimeter code has changed since the migration to git, I apologize in advance. Thanks, -R. (MD-Terp) Robert M. Shearman, Jr. Transit Operations Supervisor, University of Maryland Department of Transportation also known as rm...@umd.edu -- ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel -- ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Thanks for the Ride
On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 7:20 PM, Innis Cunningham inn...@hotmail.com wrote: Hi I have tried to help with FG for about 7 years but after installing FG 2.0 I give up. As I am not a computer programmer I am not able to help with coding so I tried to help with model building and AI and scenery. With FG2.0 it would appear that the AI is currently unusable and the shading in the models makes seeing things in the cockpit difficult unless the sun is in correct position.If the shading is ment to make things look better then I beg to differ. So thanks for the ride. Cheers Innis Meet local singles online. Browse profiles for FREE! -- ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel -- ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Thanks for the Ride
[Let me try sending that again] Innis, I personally have appreciated your contributions over the years. Therefore, I hope (and recommend) that you will irregularly take another look, for example after every major release, to see whether the technology implementation has changed and become suitable for you to want to be involved with FGFS again. Over the years, there have been several occasions where the developer team made changes that precluded my involvement with the project. A year or two later, other technology updates occurred that enabled me to rejoin the project again. Given the number of times that's happened to me, and I know of others it also happened to, it seems likely that you can follow the same pattern. Cheers, Alex. On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 4:43 PM, Alex Perry alex.pe...@ieee.org wrote: On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 7:20 PM, Innis Cunningham inn...@hotmail.com wrote: Hi I have tried to help with FG for about 7 years but after installing FG 2.0 I give up. As I am not a computer programmer I am not able to help with coding so I tried to help with model building and AI and scenery. With FG2.0 it would appear that the AI is currently unusable and the shading in the models makes seeing things in the cockpit difficult unless the sun is in correct position.If the shading is ment to make things look better then I beg to differ. So thanks for the ride. Cheers Innis Meet local singles online. Browse profiles for FREE! -- ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel -- ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Patch for interactive textures backed by VNC and PDF
On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 1:35 AM, Frederic Bouvier fredfgf...@free.fr wrote: BTW, I never managed to build these OSG plugins with MSVC Not having the plugins doesn't break the SimGear side code, but the new feature doesn't end up doing anything interesting. The OSG plugins depend on otherwise-optional libraries and headers, otherwise they don't get built, so it's possible that your windows build environment is complete for OSG but doesn't have those extra source trees available to it? -- ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Patch for interactive textures backed by VNC and PDF
On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 12:26 PM, Frederic Bouvier fredfgf...@free.fr wrote: Exactly, I didn't find the dependent librairies, either compiled, or compilable, with MSVC. Curious. The documentation in both the Poppler and the libvncserver source tarballs indicate that their maintainers believe the source trees should compile cleanly with msvc. I'm not in a position to verify those claims. You might want to contact them directly with any issues you've encountered. -- ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Patch for interactive textures backed by VNC and PDF
Two screenshots that demonstrate a use case. http://picasaweb.google.com/alex.pamurray/FlightGearAndroid?authkey=Gv1sRgCLXWsq_p96GFPQfeat=directlink I'd appreciate it if someone could review and commit this SimGear feature: http://gitorious.org/fg/alexperry-simgear/commit/95b62ec3fc898ea281dbef28f25058300baae5c3 Adds a new pick animation capability which parallels the existing action for a named object. Specifying vncaction and a transform from model space will enable all mouse clicks on that object to be delivered directly to the OSG image. Currently, the readers for VNC and PDF files yield interactive images; more are likely to be added over time. -- ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] June / LinuxTag release
The Android stuff doesn't need patches in the FGFS source code, but does affect the aircraft files (obviously) as well as SimGear and OSG. Please check with me before building in case the associated patches haven't been integrated into upstream yet. On Fri, May 7, 2010 at 9:06 AM, James Turner zakal...@mac.com wrote: I want to make a 2.1 FG release, at the end of this month, or the very start of June. As far as I can see, the current code is pretty good - many bugs have been fixed since 2.0, and while I'm sure some new ones have crept in, I don't have many code quality concerns - if we were to cut tarballs from the source code today, we'd definitely be in a better place than 2.0 in terms of bugs. (If people know of regressions from 2.0, or regressions in 2.0 from 1.9.x, I hope they would mention them here, or even in the bugtracker) Anyway, the key thing - what are the steps to make a release happen. I'm seeking to capture the actual steps (and ideally script them), so even if Curt Durk both get hit by the proverbial bus tomorrow, we can still make a Flightgear release ever again. But also, I'm seeking to remove the human factors from the release process, and especially not feel that we're overloading people just because a release needs to happen - eg, around LinuxTag Durk is often quite busy organising things :) My build system ( http://zakalawe.ath.cx:8080/ ) is working well for Mac and Linux - MinGW is giving me some pain, I will look into cross-compiling mingw this weekend. If anyone wants to volunteer some time, a Windows box with Visual Studio, some disk space, and bandwidth, I am happy to work with them to get an automated VS build going. Adding more automated steps, even ones which only happen for 'special' builds (eg, a release candidate) is extremely trivial. Regards, James -- ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel -- ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
[Flightgear-devel] Yoke mounted PDA
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Re: [Flightgear-devel] Google App Engine
On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 9:25 PM, Pete Morgan ac...@daffodil.uk.com wrote: Advantages * relies on Google infrastructure * does not require one to setup and maintain their own servers * can be coded in python or java * each application scales to three million page views a month or around 1.2 requests a second before it costs * can switch app versions at the click of a button * easy with more than one developer/maintainer/admin * memcached, cron, xmpp/chat and other services are built in and easy * easy to learn api * easy to deploy, built in django or any other python templating * uses googles bigtable to save data as objects * has SDK which means app works locally before deployment * Deals with slashdot with no problem Disadvantages * relies on Google infrastructure * only python or java (php with xercus) * 1000 files limit (although this can be assisted with webzip) I keep most files in the database. Much faster to upload, deploy, etc etc, and no limit on number of files. * can only speak on port 80 * cannot run some libs as a normal server would, and lacks some popular libs, eg lxml * has a 30 second (+1 to catch error) time limit per script * does not have a file system, for example scanning a /gallery/*.png directory for images is impossible * does not have a realational database as such * uses python 2.5 (a leap to 3 is expected as BDFL is at google) * cannot run a process eg a script to poll mpservers every few seconds * requires SDK to develop pete pete -- Download Intel#174; Parallel Studio Eval Try the new software tools for yourself. Speed compiling, find bugs proactively, and fine-tune applications for parallel performance. See why Intel Parallel Studio got high marks during beta. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-sw-dev ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel -- Download Intel#174; Parallel Studio Eval Try the new software tools for yourself. Speed compiling, find bugs proactively, and fine-tune applications for parallel performance. See why Intel Parallel Studio got high marks during beta. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-sw-dev ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Web Site
On Tue, Mar 9, 2010 at 2:56 AM, Pete Morgan ac...@daffodil.uk.com wrote: - Do we want to lock ourselves into google? These issues worry me also, and indeed pointing www.flightgear.org to fg-www.appspot.com is likely to have other problems (major 404's will need to be handled) We should be able to design all the website so it can serve off someone's local machine, in addition to the GAE. Personally, I think as an open source project, we need to be _able_ to serve on an independent platform even if the primary webserver is GAE. As was mentioned previously, especially if we use Django ... there should be nothing that we can't easily do off-GAE. I'm tempted to suggest that 'www-disaster.flightgear.org' should continue to be a Curt-managed machine somewhere. Give it an intentionally bandwidth limited Internet connection and ensure it is always running the up to date non-GAE build of the website. That way, we can easily detect when we've accidentally built a GAE dependency into our web codebase. There is the mild concern that (over time) we get our bandwidth usage up to the point where we can no longer afford to host the content on our own machines at need. If we want to prepare for that possibility, which would not be entirely a bad thing, it might be worth keeping the GAE application broken into several pieces, to separate the bits which are serving mostly-static content separate from the ones doing database accesses. Then, if we ever have the need to move off GAE and are running a lot of bandwidth, we can dedicate one server to the database and round robin all the other content across a lot of other servers. A Major issues is that GAE does not support binary files very well, eg gallery, so I'm not sure how this would work. One possibility would be to rename the current machine as www2. or stash. and using it as the binary storage. I've never had any trouble using GAE to serve binary files, providing they're not ridiculously large (such as huge binary tarballs). As I recall, its web server by default doesn't infer content types so you have to set them yourself on dynamic content. If you still see issues, feel free to invite me to the relevant codebase and I'm happy to take poke around. The main site fg-www has no database, so the design could be ported to the current site quite easily, as it used the Django templating engine. Does the current server have python or php installed ? We might decide that none of these issues are an overriding concern. [...] I'd be SOL if google evaporated from the planet. So what's one more dependency? Maybe we should ask Google to sponsor FlightGear? Without speaking for the open source program office, I suspect the answer would be that they're very happy to continue sponsoring FlightGear by providing infrastructure that lets the project focus on its own goals ... autonomously. The things like Project Hosting, GSoC, GAE, conferences, etc ... are all trying to avoid pushing any guidance onto the open source projects that take advantage of them. I like that. -- Download Intel#174; Parallel Studio Eval Try the new software tools for yourself. Speed compiling, find bugs proactively, and fine-tune applications for parallel performance. See why Intel Parallel Studio got high marks during beta. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-sw-dev ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Web Site
I like it too. On Sun, Mar 7, 2010 at 9:22 PM, Pete Morgan ac...@daffodil.uk.com wrote: Have developed the idea a bit further. http://fg-www.appspot.com/ idea is to have a dedicated aircraft and Online site also is this worth pursuing ? Its quite neat and developer friendly on the Google App Engine. pete Curtis Olson wrote: On Fri, Feb 12, 2010 at 9:06 PM, Pete Morgan ac...@daffodil.uk.com mailto:ac...@daffodil.uk.com wrote: I want to help please... Hi Pete, Here's one possible idea. Why not whip together a replacement front page and maybe a sample sub-page, put it in a temporary location, and we can take a look. That way we could present some different ideas and see if we like them, but at the same time, you don't have to do a huge amount of work only to find out that no one likes the new design proposal. Best regards, Curt. -- Curtis Olson: http://baron.flightgear.org/~curt/ http://baron.flightgear.org/%7Ecurt/ -- SOLARIS 10 is the OS for Data Centers - provides features such as DTrace, Predictive Self Healing and Award Winning ZFS. Get Solaris 10 NOW http://p.sf.net/sfu/solaris-dev2dev ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel -- Download Intel#174; Parallel Studio Eval Try the new software tools for yourself. Speed compiling, find bugs proactively, and fine-tune applications for parallel performance. See why Intel Parallel Studio got high marks during beta. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-sw-dev ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel -- Download Intel#174; Parallel Studio Eval Try the new software tools for yourself. Speed compiling, find bugs proactively, and fine-tune applications for parallel performance. See why Intel Parallel Studio got high marks during beta. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-sw-dev ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] atomic terrasync, or not
Sorry, I've only just noticed this message sitting in my to-do pile. An interesting point because , yes, checkouts are not atomic. It wouldn't be hard to extend the code to retrofit atomicity around the svn code using directory renames and the like, but before we put the effort into the code I've got one question: Assuming we consistently always do atomic incremental updates to individual directories, do we store the data in the directories such that an arbitrary combination of directory versions is likely to be safe and legal? I believe not. If not, terrasync-atomic has to start by replacing your flightgear-data with a completely empty directory and only, as individual paths are verified against SVN, rename the existing (maybe updated) content into it. This would seem to be exciting, both in terms of how long the directory stays empty during initial verification (so the simulator is unusable) and in terms of how to decide what the initial prerequisites are (so the simulator doesn't get confused). I'm tempted to suggest that we either have to commit to a dependency graph for the directories that terrasync can use (and flightgear can verify at runtime), or flightgear's data loading routines need to become terrasync aware (so their thread can block while waiting for the sync to complete). If someone has a cleaner idea for how to infer the dependency graph among our many different types of directory, I'd love to hear it. John Denker wrote: Hi -- When terrasync is running, are the updates atomic? I suspect not, since terrasync depends on svn, and AFAIK svn commits are atomic but checkouts are not. I've seem some pretty weird irreproducible results which might be explained by FG reading half of a new file plus half of an old file because terrasync was in the middle of an update. So far this is mostly just a hypothesis, but it fits the facts, and I haven't been able to come up with any other hypotheses to explain what I've seen. As an example, FG died via an assertion in navradio. The runway was numbered 0. Needless to say, the airport in question doesn't have any such runway. === I hear rumors of a major upgrade/rewrite to terrasync. This might be something to keep in mind. -- The Planet: dedicated and managed hosting, cloud storage, colocation Stay online with enterprise data centers and the best network in the business Choose flexible plans and management services without long-term contracts Personal 24x7 support from experience hosting pros just a phone call away. http://p.sf.net/sfu/theplanet-com ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel -- Download Intel#174; Parallel Studio Eval Try the new software tools for yourself. Speed compiling, find bugs proactively, and fine-tune applications for parallel performance. See why Intel Parallel Studio got high marks during beta. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-sw-dev ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Patch to protect terrasync SVN from ^C
Done. Also added the modified source file.
On Sun, Feb 28, 2010 at 12:09 AM, Frederic Bouvier fredfgf...@free.fr wrote:
Hi Alex,
Please resend this patch gzip and attached. I can't use it as it is.
-Fred
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// terrasync.cxx -- JIT scenery fetcher
//
// Written by Curtis Olson, started November 2002.
//
// Copyright (C) 2002 Curtis L. Olson - http://www.flightgear.org/~curt
// Copyright (C) 2008 Alexander R. Perry alex.pe...@ieee.org
//
// This program is free software; you can redistribute it and/or
// modify it under the terms of the GNU General Public License as
// published by the Free Software Foundation; either version 2 of the
// License, or (at your option) any later version.
//
// This program is distributed in the hope that it will be useful, but
// WITHOUT ANY WARRANTY; without even the implied warranty of
// MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE. See the GNU
// General Public License for more details.
//
// You should have received a copy of the GNU General Public License
// along with this program; if not, write to the Free Software
// Foundation, Inc., 51 Franklin Street, Fifth Floor, Boston, MA 02110-1301, USA.
//
// $Id: terrasync.cxx,v 1.28 2010/01/23 22:27:38 fredb Exp $
#ifdef HAVE_CONFIG_H
#include config.h
#endif
#ifdef HAVE_WINDOWS_H
#include windows.h
#endif
#ifdef __MINGW32__
#include time.h
#include unistd.h
#endif
#include stdlib.h // atoi() atof() abs() system()
#include signal.h // signal()
#include simgear/compiler.h
#include iostream
#include fstream
#include string
#include deque
#include map
#include plib/netSocket.h
#include plib/ul.h
#include simgear/bucket/newbucket.hxx
#include simgear/misc/sg_path.hxx
#ifdef HAVE_SVN_CLIENT_H
# ifdef HAVE_LIBSVN_CLIENT_1
#include svn_auth.h
#include svn_client.h
#include svn_cmdline.h
#include svn_pools.h
# else
#undef HAVE_SVN_CLIENT_H
# endif
#endif
using namespace std;
const char* source_base = NULL;
const char* svn_base =
http://terrascenery.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/data/Scenery;;
const char* rsync_base = scenery.flightgear.org::Scenery;
const char* dest_base = terrasyncdir;
const char* rsync_cmd =
rsync --verbose --archive --delete --perms --owner --group;
#ifdef HAVE_SVN_CLIENT_H
bool use_svn = true;
#else
bool use_svn = false;
const char* svn_cmd = svn checkout;
#endif
// display usage
static void usage( const string prog ) {
cout
Usage: terrasync [options]\n
Options: \n
-d dest destination directory [required]\n
-R transport using pipe to rsync\n
-S transport using built-in svn\n
-p port listen on UDP port [default: 5501]\n
-s source source base [default: '']\n
-pid pidfile write PID to file\n
-v be more verbose\n
;
#ifdef HAVE_SVN_CLIENT_H
cout (defaults to the built in subversion) endl;
#else
cout (defaults to rsync, using external commands) endl;
#endif
cout \nExample:\n
pid=$(cat $pidfile 2/dev/null)\n
if test -n \$pid\ kill -0 $pid ; then\n
echo \terrasync already running: $pid\\n
else\n
nice /games/sport/fgs/utils/TerraSync/terrasync \\\n
-v -pid $pidfile -S -p 5500 -d /games/orig/terrasync \n
fi endl;
}
std::dequestd::string waitingTiles;
typedef std::mapstd::string,time_t CompletedTiles;
CompletedTiles completedTiles;
#ifdef HAVE_SVN_CLIENT_H
// Things we need for doing subversion checkout - often
apr_pool_t *mysvn_pool = NULL;
svn_client_ctx_t *mysvn_ctx = NULL;
svn_opt_revision_t *mysvn_rev = NULL;
svn_opt_revision_t *mysvn_rev_peg = NULL;
static const svn_version_checklist_t mysvn_checklist[] = {
{ svn_subr, svn_subr_version },
{ svn_client, svn_client_version },
{ svn_wc, svn_wc_version },
{ svn_ra, svn_ra_version },
{ svn_delta, svn_delta_version },
{ svn_diff, svn_diff_version },
{ NULL, NULL }
};
// Configure our subversion session
int mysvn_setup(void) {
// Are we already prepared?
if (mysvn_pool) return EXIT_SUCCESS;
// No, so initialize svn internals generally
#ifdef _MSC_VER
// there is a segfault when providing an error stream.
// Apparently, calling setvbuf with a nul buffer is
// not supported under msvc 7.1 ( code inside svn_cmdline_init )
if (svn_cmdline_init(terrasync, 0) != EXIT_SUCCESS)
return EXIT_FAILURE;
#else
[Flightgear-devel] Patch to protect terrasync SVN from ^C
Index: terrasync.cxx
===
RCS file: /var/cvs/FlightGear-0.9/source/utils/TerraSync/terrasync.cxx,v
retrieving revision 1.28
diff -u -r1.28 terrasync.cxx
--- terrasync.cxx 23 Jan 2010 22:27:38 - 1.28
+++ terrasync.cxx 28 Feb 2010 05:49:01 -
@@ -35,6 +35,7 @@
#endif
#include stdlib.h // atoi() atof() abs() system()
+#include signal.h // signal()
#include simgear/compiler.h
@@ -270,8 +271,23 @@
}
+bool terminating = false;
+sighandler_t prior_signal_handlers[32];
+int termination_triggering_signals[] =
+ {SIGHUP, SIGINT, SIGQUIT, SIGKILL, 0}; // zero terminated
+
+void terminate_request_handler(int param) {
+cout \nReceived signal param ,
+ intend to terminate soon,
+ repeat to force an immediate effect.\n;
+terminating = true;
+signal(param, prior_signal_handlers[param]);
+}
+
+
const int nowhere = -;
+
// parse message
static void parse_message( const string msg, int *lat, int *lon ) {
double dlat, dlon;
@@ -281,8 +297,8 @@
string::size_type pos = text.find( $GPGGA );
if ( pos == string::npos )
{
- *lat = -.0;
- *lon = -.0;
+ *lat = nowhere;
+ *lon = nowhere;
return;
}
string tmp = text.substr( pos + 7 );
@@ -408,7 +424,8 @@
void getWaitingTile() {
while ( !waitingTiles.empty() ) {
- CompletedTiles::iterator ii = completedTiles.find(
waitingTiles.front() );
+ CompletedTiles::iterator ii =
+completedTiles.find( waitingTiles.front() );
time_t now = time(0);
if ( ii == completedTiles.end() || ii-second + 600 now ) {
sync_tree(waitingTiles.front().c_str());
@@ -422,7 +439,7 @@
int main( int argc, char **argv ) {
int port = 5501;
-char host[256] = ;// accept messages from anyone
+char host[256] = localhost;
bool testing = false;
bool do_checkout(true);
int verbose(0);
@@ -485,7 +502,6 @@
// Must call this before any other net stuff
netInit( argc,argv );
-
netSocket s;
if ( ! s.open( false ) ) { // open a UDP socket
@@ -524,7 +540,14 @@
}
-while ( true ) {// main loop
+for (int* sigp=termination_triggering_signals; *sigp; sigp++) {
+prior_signal_handlers[*sigp] =
+signal(*sigp, *terminate_request_handler);
+if (verbose) cout Intercepted signal *sigp endl;
+}
+
+while ( !terminating ) {
+// main loop
recv_msg = false;
if ( testing ) {
// No FGFS communications
@@ -532,6 +555,9 @@
lon = -123;
recv_msg = (lat != last_lat) || (lon != last_lon);
} else {
+if (verbose waitingTiles.empty()) {
+cout Idle; waiting for FlightGear position\n;
+}
s.setBlocking(waitingTiles.empty());
len = s.recv(msg, maxlen, 0);
if (len = 0) {
@@ -584,11 +610,11 @@
}
else if ( testing ) {
- exit( 0 );
+ terminating = true;
} else
ulSleep( 1 );
-} // while true
+} // while !terminating
return 0;
}
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Re: [Flightgear-devel] 503
Pete, perhaps we need to create a separate queue for flightgear-usability-bugs-that-gene-doesnt-care-about. -- SOLARIS 10 is the OS for Data Centers - provides features such as DTrace, Predictive Self Healing and Award Winning ZFS. Get Solaris 10 NOW http://p.sf.net/sfu/solaris-dev2dev ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] multiple --generic record/playback errors
On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 1:37 PM, John Denker wrote: Has anybody used the --generic record/playback feature recently? The same trouble was discussed at 2008 : http://www.mail-archive.com/flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net/msg16539.html and http://www.mail-archive.com/flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net/msg15655.html With respect, Alex -- SOLARIS 10 is the OS for Data Centers - provides features such as DTrace, Predictive Self Healing and Award Winning ZFS. Get Solaris 10 NOW http://p.sf.net/sfu/solaris-dev2dev ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
[Flightgear-devel] LinuxTag 2010 - program track
http://www.linuxtag.org/2010/en/program/call-for-papers.html Has anyone submitted a FGFS centric response to the CfP? If not, should I? -- Throughout its 18-year history, RSA Conference consistently attracts the world's best and brightest in the field, creating opportunities for Conference attendees to learn about information security's most important issues through interactions with peers, luminaries and emerging and established companies. http://p.sf.net/sfu/rsaconf-dev2dev ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
[Flightgear-devel] Missed file in CVS
Hi! The file KLN89/kln89.cxx rev. 1.18 contains the next lines #if ENABLE_ATCDCL #include ATCDCL/ATCProjection.hxx #else #include kln89_align.hxx #endif But the file kln89_align.hxx is absent and with ENABLE_ATCDCL=FALSE it raises an error. **Can somebody fix this. With respect, Alex -- This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Verizon Developer Community Take advantage of Verizon's best-in-class app development support A streamlined, 14 day to market process makes app distribution fast and easy Join now and get one step closer to millions of Verizon customers http://p.sf.net/sfu/verizon-dev2dev ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Automatically hide/show the menubar
On Mon, 16 Nov 2009 21:49:11 +0100 Torsten Dreyer tors...@t3r.de wrote: Hope you like it. If so, it might be enabled by default in preferences.xml some day. Hi Torsten, just made a new build and tested your 'mod'. It works and I like it ;-) Griassla -- Alex D-HUND f...@beggabaur.de -- This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Verizon Developer Community Take advantage of Verizon's best-in-class app development support A streamlined, 14 day to market process makes app distribution fast and easy Join now and get one step closer to millions of Verizon customers http://p.sf.net/sfu/verizon-dev2dev ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] parking.xml files under scenery/Airports
On Mon, 21 Dec 2009 22:17:03 +0100 Csaba Halász csaba.hal...@gmail.com wrote: I wonder if these files are there by mistake or if there is some reason. Only thing I know 'bout them is Martin's mail bout this: http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/message.php?msg_name=g87kri%24u4q%241%40osprey.mgras.de hth Alex -- Alex D-HUND f...@beggabaur.de -- This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Verizon Developer Community Take advantage of Verizon's best-in-class app development support A streamlined, 14 day to market process makes app distribution fast and easy Join now and get one step closer to millions of Verizon customers http://p.sf.net/sfu/verizon-dev2dev ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] reversible ILS
I am unable to use MSFS. Has someone checked whether they handle reversibles with a heuristic, or are you just guessing? James Turner zakal...@mac.com wrote: On 20 Dec 2009, at 00:02, John Denker wrote: I was also informed [off list] that the code to make reversible ILSs usable had been ignored because it was not good enough. That is not very informative, not very constructive. No clarification has been forthcoming as to what makes it not good enough. The off-list discussion was with me, for the record, and I apologise to John for being a bit glib, and then unresponsive - the last Saturday evening before Christmas, is not the ideal time to be discussing such things. What I should have said is, I don't think John's patch is a reasonable fix to the problem. Or rather, it fixes the major issue from John's perspective, which is un-flyable missed segments, but replaces it with another problem which I consider to be equally bad. (I would guess John will consider that my issue is less serious than the one he is trying to fix, but that's where we differ, I think). Anyway, my objection is that delegating the active runway to a user property (or menu item) is abdicating a hard problem to the user, instead of actually figuring out a 'good' solution. (Hence my glib 'not good enough' remark) It makes sense in a live ATC context, or some other situations (eg an instructor station), but for most users it's a confusing setting. For better or worse, MSFS and X-Plane do *not* require such a piece of user interaction, and therefore it is my position that we should not either. Clearly they have a better heuristic than we do - what I would like is for someone to propose a better heuristic. (My personal guess is that the heuristic will be based on local surface winds, but who knows, as ever I am not a pilot) Aka 'figure out what the user wanted, and do it'. I know John alluded to ESP, but I regard that as abdication - we simply need to try / think harder about a workable heuristic, instead of abandoning the idea in favour of a setting. It could be argued that John's patch is an interim step (with the heuristic being developed afterwards), and should be committed as is, but personally I don't think that's the case, and hence I do not wish to be the person who commits it to CVS - as I said off list, I'm only going to commit other people's code to CVS if I can positively convince myself that I agree with the design and code - any other stance would be untenable, really. Regards, James -- This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Verizon Developer Community Take advantage of Verizon's best-in-class app development support A streamlined, 14 day to market process makes app distribution fast and easy Join now and get one step closer to millions of Verizon customers http://p.sf.net/sfu/verizon-dev2dev ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel -- This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Verizon Developer Community Take advantage of Verizon's best-in-class app development support A streamlined, 14 day to market process makes app distribution fast and easy Join now and get one step closer to millions of Verizon customers http://p.sf.net/sfu/verizon-dev2dev ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] reversible ILS
+1. Reversible approaches should be configured like any other ATC controlled ground system - such as runway lighting. I have no objections to an automatic selector for which ILS end to enable, but it should be based on surface wind (for example) and not the aircraft position. John Denker j...@av8n.com wrote: Back in the 2nd week of September there was discussion of reversible ILSs. Maybe I missed something, but I thought there was rough consensus around the following ideas: a) FG behavior should be reasonably realistic. We should not make artificial assumptions that make approaches unflyable, when better alternatives are readily available. Conversely, we should not require FG to implement features that are not available in real life. b) An instrument approach procedure generally contains a missed approach segment. There is a maxim that says If you are not prepared for the miss, you are not prepared for the approach. The FAA says that half the time, a practice approach should include flying the missed approach segment. Real-world pilots take this seriously. Lives are at stake. c) You cannot show up at a real-world airport and expect both ends of a reversible ILS to be active simultaneously. The physics doesn't permit it. The signals would interfere. If runway 11 is active and you would prefer runway 29, you can ask Tower to reverse the ILS. They might or might be able to grant your wish. d) For years, FG has attempted to divine which end of the reversible ILS the pilot wants to use based on aircraft position and/or heading. This is both unrealistic (see item c) and impossible. There is no objective way to determine whether an aircraft is flying the upwind leg for runway 11 or the downwind leg for runway 29; the only difference between the two is the pilot's intentions. You've heard of problems that are so hard that they are classified as NP-complete ... well, this problem is much worse than that. It is ESP-complete. e) The current code is even more broken than that. At some airports, it gets the wrong answer 100% of the time, so that you cannot fly the inbound segments, never mind the missed approach segment. Bug reports on this issue have been discarded without comment. f) Code to fix all these problems has been available since September. It uses a preferred-approach-deg value in the property tree to decide which end of the ILS to activate. If you prefer the other end, you can easily change this property. All segments of the approach are flyable. Everything is predictable and well behaved. The same words that described the ILS service volume apply here: This is a significant departure from past FG behavior, but it is not wrong. It is feature, not a bug. This code was not committed. It was discarded without comment. === I was recently told [off list] that there was a requirement within FG to permit simultaneous approaches to both ends of a reversible ILS. This came as a surprise to me. I do not recall anybody suggesting this, even as a joke, much less any consensus in this direction. Let's be clear: We all agree it is important for both ends of the ILS to be available without undue hassle, but they don't need to be available at the same time. And without undue hassle doesn't mean without any pilot input at all, especially when the problem is ESP-complete. Most real-world instrument-rated pilots are content to fly the approach that Tower says is the active approach; they don't show up at an airport with inflexible pre- conceptions about which approach will be active. I was also informed [off list] that the code to make reversible ILSs usable had been ignored because it was not good enough. That is not very informative, not very constructive. No clarification has been forthcoming as to what makes it not good enough. Perhaps some folks on this list would be kind enough to look at the code and make constructive comments. Take a look at http://gitorious.org/~jsd/fg/sport-model/commits/sport in particular the item that speaks of reversible ILS. If there are some requirements that I am not aware of, requirements that make unflyable approaches preferable to flyable approaches, please explain. -- This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Verizon Developer Community Take advantage of Verizon's best-in-class app development support A streamlined, 14 day to market process makes app distribution fast and easy Join now and get one step closer to millions of Verizon customers http://p.sf.net/sfu/verizon-dev2dev ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel -- This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Verizon Developer
Re: [Flightgear-devel] atlas global tarball
It occurred to me to take a look at the underlying simgear/screen library. The associated self-test binary TestRenderTexture is failing too so this isn't an Atlas oddity. The RenderTexture.cxx implementation is correctly detecting a 1.2 GLX ... and then calling 1.3 features anyway. Odd. On Sun, Nov 22, 2009 at 6:58 PM, Alex Perry alex.pe...@pamurray.com wrote: Having compiled Atlas so I can regenerate a few maps on my laptop, it complains that it needs a GLX 1.3 feature and my X server only supports 1.2 ... so this side project will have to wait until I've got another machine handy. On Sun, Nov 22, 2009 at 3:53 AM, Victhor Foster victhor.fos...@gmail.com wrote: Is your computer too slow to generate them? There's an option in Map that speeds up the process, I think it's --headless-mode. Does someone happen to have a tarball with all the atlas generated map images handy? -- Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus on what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS: data/Aircraft/c172p
On Thu, 19 Nov 2009 16:55:42 + (GMT) Heiko Schulz aeitsch...@yahoo.de wrote: One other issue I see with the 3d model and the textures. The way the cuts in the textures is done, one has nearly vertical surfaces on each side near the bottom edge of the windshield. This results in severe stretching of the textures on each side below the windshield. This is fairly obvious and needs to be corrected. This again involves a lot of work. Does the team think we need to fix this for the liveries before the next release as this is the default ac? That would mean a complete new mapping of this part and that the textures and liveries. You woulden't notice it, if there woulden't be ambient shadow- it could be maybe done with simple edtiting the liveries. Ahoy guys, I am still working sometimes on the D-ECJB livery and also recognised this glitch. And it is possible to make it 'invisible' by editing the livery. See screenshot, picture [1]. However, I am not sure if this is the right way to solve this issue. I am planning to draw details like the sheeding below the windshield, like the one on picture [2], and I am not sure if this will be easy with the current mapping. To look at the future, I am not sure if there is any c172p painting out there which will make the way into FG *and* uses this part of the aircraft, but if so, drawing this would be quite hard. OTHO, redoing all the existing liveries will take some effort. Well, this was 'just to say' and if the decision is just editing the liveries I'll adapt this to the other liveries and send them to Heiko(?). [1] http://fgfs.beggabaur.de/daten/c172p_mapping.jpg [2] http://ntxac.inside.net/ntxac/N55299/N55299_17.JPG ciao PS: replace [some|all] of the I am not sure by a better phrase on your own. ;-) -- Alex D-HUND f...@beggabaur.de -- Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus on what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
[Flightgear-devel] atlas global tarball
Does someone happen to have a tarball with all the atlas generated map images handy? -- Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus on what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] atlas global tarball
The computer isn't too slow, no. I'm just hoping to avoid having to download the entire global scenery data first. On Sun, Nov 22, 2009 at 3:53 AM, Victhor Foster victhor.fos...@gmail.com wrote: Is your computer too slow to generate them? There's an option in Map that speeds up the process, I think it's --headless-mode. Does someone happen to have a tarball with all the atlas generated map images handy? -- Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus on what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel -- Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus on what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel -- Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus on what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] atlas global tarball
Having compiled Atlas so I can regenerate a few maps on my laptop, it complains that it needs a GLX 1.3 feature and my X server only supports 1.2 ... so this side project will have to wait until I've got another machine handy. On Sun, Nov 22, 2009 at 3:53 AM, Victhor Foster victhor.fos...@gmail.com wrote: Is your computer too slow to generate them? There's an option in Map that speeds up the process, I think it's --headless-mode. Does someone happen to have a tarball with all the atlas generated map images handy? -- Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus on what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
[Flightgear-devel] sound system oddity
this is with the f-16. while inside the cockpit then engine sound changes depending on the heading of the aircraft. going west the sound is very loud going east it's almost completely gone. as the plane turns the sound gradually changes going either up or down depending on the direction of the turn. hope this helps. --alex-- -- | I believe the moment is at hand when, by a paranoiac and active | | advance of the mind, it will be possible (simultaneously with | | automatism and other passive states) to systematize confusion | | and thus to help to discredit completely the world of reality. | -- Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus on what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] multiple instances of given ai aircraft
Durk Talsma d.tal...@xs4all.nl writes: Just out of curiosity, is there a specific problem that you try to address? I.e. a problem with multiple aircraft of the same call sign in the property tree, and i forgot to mention, all the duplicate aircraft have the same call sign in the property tree and fly together as one as you can see in the pictures i mentioned in the previous post. --alex-- -- | I believe the moment is at hand when, by a paranoiac and active | | advance of the mind, it will be possible (simultaneously with | | automatism and other passive states) to systematize confusion | | and thus to help to discredit completely the world of reality. | -- Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus on what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] multiple instances of given ai aircraft
Gijs de Rooy gijsr...@hotmail.com writes: What I see on your pictures and know from my own encounters with such aircraft is that they do not fly, as in flying an airplane. They just hover above the ground. if that's the case (and it seems to be because i looked and the airplane velocities and they were all 0) then it would make sense to draw the airplane only 30 mins before the scheduled departure date since it will eliminate all these conflicts (as i tried to do in my patch). unfortunately i still haven't seen any of those planes take off. --alex-- -- | I believe the moment is at hand when, by a paranoiac and active | | advance of the mind, it will be possible (simultaneously with | | automatism and other passive states) to systematize confusion | | and thus to help to discredit completely the world of reality. | -- Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus on what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] sound system oddity
Alex Romosan romo...@sycorax.lbl.gov writes: this is with the f-16. while inside the cockpit then engine sound changes depending on the heading of the aircraft. going west the sound is very loud going east it's almost completely gone. as the plane turns the sound gradually changes going either up or down depending on the direction of the turn. hope this helps. that was at JFK. if i fly at EHAM the directions seem to be north-south, with south at no sound and north at maximum. strange. --alex-- -- | I believe the moment is at hand when, by a paranoiac and active | | advance of the mind, it will be possible (simultaneously with | | automatism and other passive states) to systematize confusion | | and thus to help to discredit completely the world of reality. | -- Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus on what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Custom scenery data startup location problem.
Anders Gidenstam anders-...@gidenstam.org writes: I wonder if anyone alse has noticd that the startup location on runways with a displaced threshold differs depending on whether the custom scenery ICAO.threshold.xml file or apt.dat is used? i've solved this problem by applying the following patch to flightgear: diff -u -r1.43 runways.cxx --- ./Airports/runways.cxx 16 Sep 2009 00:17:12 - 1.43 +++ ./Airports/runways.cxx 16 Nov 2009 21:33:10 - @@ -153,7 +153,7 @@ // compute the new runway center, based on the threshold lat/lon, length, // and any displaced threshold. - double offsetFt = (0.5 * _length) - _displ_thresh; + double offsetFt = (0.5 * _length) + _displ_thresh; SGGeod newCenter; double dummy; SGGeodesy::direct(newThreshold, _heading, offsetFt * SG_FEET_TO_METER, newCenter, dummy); and now the plane is positioned at the beginning of the runway proper. if --prop:/sim/paths/use-custom-scenery-data is set to false than the aircraft is positioned at the beginning of the threshold. i think this is the right fix but somebody more knowledgable should take a look and maybe commit it to cvs. thanks. --alex-- -- | I believe the moment is at hand when, by a paranoiac and active | | advance of the mind, it will be possible (simultaneously with | | automatism and other passive states) to systematize confusion | | and thus to help to discredit completely the world of reality. | -- Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus on what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
[Flightgear-devel] multiple instances of given ai aircraft
while flying out of jfk today i noticed once again multiple instances of
a given ai aircraft. looking at the properties tree i noticed that there
were multiple aircraft with the same call sign. after a bit of detective
work i noticed that the number of aircrafts corresponds to the number of
entries for that given aircraft in AI/Traffic. For example Delta0080 is
listed 7 times departing from jfk, once for each day of the week, and
that's how many aircraft were drawn on the screen.
after trying to understand the scheduler code i think i finally came up
with a patch:
--- src/Traffic/Schedule.cxx3 Sep 2009 20:18:34 - 1.40
+++ src/Traffic/Schedule.cxx17 Nov 2009 02:15:32 -
@@ -372,7 +372,7 @@
SG_LOG (SG_GENERAL, SG_DEBUG, Traffic manager: registration
is scheduled for a flight from
dep-getId() to arr-getId() . Current distance
to user:
distanceToUser);
- if (distanceToUser TRAFFICTOAIDISTTOSTART)
+ if (distanceToUser TRAFFICTOAIDISTTOSTART
((*i)-getDepartureTime()-now1800))
{
string flightPlanName = dep-getId() + string(-) + arr-getId()
+
string(.xml);
which basically creates the AI model only if the departure time is 30
mins or less from now. i don't know if this is the correct solution, but
i believe the reason we see multiple instances of a given AI aircraft is
because we draw a new plane for each entry in the schedule. hope this
helps.
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Re: [Flightgear-devel] Prime Meridian Crash
On Sun, 01 Nov 2009 20:35:01 + James Turner zakal...@mac.com wrote: On 1 Nov 2009, at 19:24, Alex D-HUND wrote: At the moment I am out of ideas on what to try out next, I am open for suggestions. I keep forgetting to dig into this issue, apologies for that. I'll add it to my ToDo list now, and take a look this week. Regards, James James, there is really nothing to apologise for, for many reasons! One of those is, the slower the things go, the better I can keep up understanding what I am doing here ;-). Last night Jester picked me up on IRC and had some suggestions on how to continue. I try to make a conclusion of the things we did. ATM I have a simgear build with the VASI not included. To achive this he told me to comment the line 704 of http://cvs.flightgear.org/viewvc/source/simgear/scene/tgdb/obj.cxx?annotate=1.43root=SimGear With this build I am able to run FG with valgrind without problems. Except, FG does *not* crash at the zero meridian then. While without valgrind, or running with gdb, it still crashes 'as usual'. These crashes still occur between 0.2w and 0.03w when heading to the east. I made some gdb bt's and uploaded two of them, but they are the same as before: crashes between 0.2w and approx 0.07w are produceing http://flightgear.pastebin.ca/1652356 and closer to the meridian, 0.05w to 0.03w, the output looks like http://flightgear.pastebin.ca/1652360 Even if FG did not crash at the ZM running under valgrind, here is one of the logfiles: http://flightgear.pastebin.ca/1652335 Another thing we did is uncommenting line 552 in http://cvs.flightgear.org/viewvc/source/src/Navaids/positioned.cxx?annotate=1.24 Unfortunately (?) no 'destroying:' messages where printed. Hopefully I have not forgotten about an important detail, but if so, I am sure Jester will notice ;-) Alex -- Alex D-HUND f...@beggabaur.de -- Come build with us! The BlackBerry(R) Developer Conference in SF, CA is the only developer event you need to attend this year. Jumpstart your developing skills, take BlackBerry mobile applications to market and stay ahead of the curve. Join us from November 9 - 12, 2009. Register now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/devconference ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Prime Meridian Crash
On Mon, 26 Oct 2009 21:54:08 +0100 Alex D-HUND f...@beggabaur.de wrote: In the meantime I have installed valgrind and I am doing my first steps with it. A first trial run turned out to be very good, I already saw the scenery ten minutes after starting it. ;-) Ahoy Guys, beside that mentioned test run I am not able to run fgfs with valgind anymore. It crashes even before I can see the scenery. I ran it often with different settings to figure out what could be different to the first run. I uploaded two of the logs I collected, see links below, they all end with SIGSEGV and complain about 'leaked memory', I hope my RAM isn't broken. At least two hours of memtest printed not a single red line. At the moment I am out of ideas on what to try out next, I am open for suggestions. Alex http://flightgear.pastebin.ca/1651812 http://flightgear.pastebin.ca/1651814 -- Alex D-HUND f...@beggabaur.de -- Come build with us! The BlackBerry(R) Developer Conference in SF, CA is the only developer event you need to attend this year. Jumpstart your developing skills, take BlackBerry mobile applications to market and stay ahead of the curve. Join us from November 9 - 12, 2009. Register now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/devconference ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Prime Meridian Crash
It would be interesting to see what the back trace is with optimization turned on. Absolutely - unfortunately, for whatever reason, none of the people who can easily generate a backtrace, have been able to reproduce the crash - I've tried, Jester has tried, and assorted others on IRC. Hi Curtis and James and others, I am sorry, I was a bit tired last night and might not phrased myself clearly. Also I am not a coder and maybe just don't understand what you mean. But the backtraces I made actually are with optimisation turned on. Well, I built the binaries without any options on this and therefore they are -O2 by default (as far as I was able to follow Jesters explanation). Here the link again: http://nopaste.org/p/aPZTtaYYX In the meantime I have installed valgrind and I am doing my first steps with it. A first trial run turned out to be very good, I already saw the scenery ten minutes after starting it. ;-) My gcc version is: 4.3.2 (Debian 4.3.2-1.1) And enclosed you'll find the .fgfsrc file containing the options I had the day I encountered that problem the first time. Except the change for the METAR, this one replaced the real-weather-fetch. Please let me know if you need more info, as I said, I am not a coder so don't really know what to look for. Thanks Alex -- Alex D-HUND f...@beggabaur.de .fgfsrc.zmcrash Description: Binary data -- Come build with us! The BlackBerry(R) Developer Conference in SF, CA is the only developer event you need to attend this year. Jumpstart your developing skills, take BlackBerry mobile applications to market and stay ahead of the curve. Join us from November 9 - 12, 2009. Register now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/devconference___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Prime Meridian Crash
Hi Pete, I can confirm this bug. Problem with it, it does not happen all the time. I encountered it while preparing for the 'Euro Zone Event', taking off at EGLL heading to EHAM with the ufo to prefetch scenery. And it was even possible to reproduce the crash. So, the other day I asked on IRC what to do, and I was told to make a backtrace. But, funny thing, I was not able to crash FG like I did the day before. That reminded me of a METAR related problem I have with the c172p. Starting FG with this METAR-string instead of real weather fetch and the crashes occured again. (--prop:/environment/metar/data=LSZB 301950Z VRB01KT CAVOK 11/11 Q1015 NOSIG) Now I was able to make some backtraces (http://nopaste.org/p/aPZTtaYYX). Jester pointed out, that this could be a problem of the optimisation during the build process and advised me to configure SG and FG with option CXXFLAGS=-g -O0. He was right, with those binaries I wasn't able to reproduce the crash anymore. At the moment I am using binaries configured with CXXFLAGS=-g -O2 -march=native (which is athlon-xp here) and it seems a bit more stable now. FG still crashed on some testflights across the zero meridian, but at least not on all flights. I will try to collect some more METAR-strings which causes troubles and some more backtraces as well. My systems CPU: AMD Athlon(tm) XP 2800+ -- Alex D-HUND f...@beggabaur.de -- Come build with us! The BlackBerry(R) Developer Conference in SF, CA is the only developer event you need to attend this year. Jumpstart your developing skills, take BlackBerry mobile applications to market and stay ahead of the curve. Join us from November 9 - 12, 2009. Register now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/devconference ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] least squares code
If I state that variance = mean(x^2) - mean(x)^2 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Algorithms_for_calculating_variance And covariance = mean(xy) - mean(x) mean(y) Then a linear fit of data to: y ~ m x + c c = mean(y) m = covariance / variance On Sat, Oct 17, 2009 at 10:47 AM, Curtis Olson curtol...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/10/17 Mathias Fröhlich mathias.froehl...@gmx.net As always, tell the exact problem. Depending on your problem and requirements the solution ranges from a few lines of code to - 'better use an implementation that already exists is tested and is numerically stable'. Hi Mathias, I will be receiving a sequence of 2d data points in real time. I will start by assuming a linear relationship/fit which I know in advance is a reasonable assumption. I would like to find a way to incrementally compute a simple straight line least squares fit of the data I have received so far. I know incremental approaches exist. Isaias sent me a simple approach, but this maintains sums of all the data received so far and as Alex pointed out, that will be subject to increasing round off errors as the data accumulates (this code could be receiving hundreds of data points per second over the course of hours, days, even weeks.) So yes, a numerically stable approach is important. I suspect the code will just be a few lines, so if I can find an approach that is laid out algorithmically or in terms of some sort of pseudo-code, I'm pretty sure I can create and test my own implementation. Maybe I'm only imagining that such a thing exists, I googled for quite a while yesterday on a variety of search terms that are directly or loosely related and wasn't able to turn up what I was hoping to find. (Thus my cry for help) :-) A method that forgets the oldest data and weights newer data more heavily might also be interesting (versus an approach that sums up the entire history of the data ... although that would be ok too.) I'm happy to start simple and get fancier later on if I need to. Thanks, Curt. -- Curtis Olson: http://baron.flightgear.org/~curt/ -- Come build with us! The BlackBerry(R) Developer Conference in SF, CA is the only developer event you need to attend this year. Jumpstart your developing skills, take BlackBerry mobile applications to market and stay ahead of the curve. Join us from November 9 - 12, 2009. Register now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/devconference ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel -- Come build with us! The BlackBerry(R) Developer Conference in SF, CA is the only developer event you need to attend this year. Jumpstart your developing skills, take BlackBerry mobile applications to market and stay ahead of the curve. Join us from November 9 - 12, 2009. Register now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/devconference ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] least squares code
Make sure you use the one that never maintains cumulative totals prior to subtraction ... because the errors mount up too fast. On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 6:21 PM, Jon S. Berndt jonsber...@comcast.net wrote: I believe the “Numerical Recipes in C” (available online) has that algorithm[s]. www.nr.com. Jon From: Curtis Olson [mailto:curtol...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, October 16, 2009 6:20 PM To: FlightGear developers discussions Subject: [Flightgear-devel] least squares code I'm having a duh moment here ... I've googled and looked through my old college text books and can't find something that I think should be easy to find. I'm probably forgetting the proper name of the technique or something stupid. The basic formulas for least squares fitting of a line to a set of data are well know. (I'm referring to the standard linear least squares fit of a line to some data.) I know I've seen a derivation of these formulas that allow you to incrementally build your least squares solution as each data point comes in (based on the current data and the past solution.) I know I've seen this several places in my life, even recently. I'd rather not spend a week re-deriving the formulas from scratch and testing and debugging. Does anyone have a link or pointer to basic code or psuedo-code that implements this incremental (recursive?) least squares approach? Thanks in advance, Curt. -- Curtis Olson: http://baron.flightgear.org/~curt/ -- Come build with us! The BlackBerry(R) Developer Conference in SF, CA is the only developer event you need to attend this year. Jumpstart your developing skills, take BlackBerry mobile applications to market and stay ahead of the curve. Join us from November 9 - 12, 2009. Register now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/devconference ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel -- Come build with us! The BlackBerry(R) Developer Conference in SF, CA is the only developer event you need to attend this year. Jumpstart your developing skills, take BlackBerry mobile applications to market and stay ahead of the curve. Join us from November 9 - 12, 2009. Register now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/devconference ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] New Sound system committed
Hi,
I got an error with the Sunday CVS - FG crashed while exiting .
gdb reports SIGSEGV error at file soundmgr_openal.cxx, line 159.
Error was fixed by changing lines 157-159 from:
buffer_map_iterator buffers_current = _buffers.begin();
buffer_map_iterator buffers_end = _buffers.end();
for ( ; buffers_current != buffers_end; ++buffers_current ) {
to :
buffer_map_iterator buffers_current;
while(_buffers.size()){
buffers_current = _buffers.begin();
With respect,
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Re: [Flightgear-devel] [PATCH] 3D Clouds update
Stuart Buchanan wrote: Scott Hamilton wrote: On Tue, 2009-10-06 at 22:06 -0400, William Harrison wrote: Maybe it's just me, but has anyone noticed a dramatic performance decrease with 3d clouds after this patch? yep, from 30fps to 2fps... I'm very surprised that performance has decreased so significantly. However, there is a possible explanation. The code falls back to a 2D cloud layer if a 3D cloud isn't defined for a specific cloud type (st, ac etc.). IIRC previously we didn't define a 3D stratus layer, so we'd get a 2D layer instead. The updated 3D clouds include stratus layers (which look rather nice IMO), but require quite a larger number of sprites - something like 40 per cloud. I've seen a small perf hit from the new stratus layers, but nothing like what you have reported. I suspect what you are seeing if the difference between a 2D and 3D cloud. What performance change are you seeing with, say, cumulus clouds, which haven't changed much? BTW - I've updated Docs/Readme.3Dclouds with information on the new format, if anyone is interested in enhancing the clouds. -Stuart What I have seen (airplane-ufo, altitude - 2000ft, cloud layer 0 = 4000ft, overcast, cloud layer 1 = 19500ft, cirrus): 1. 3D clouds OFF from command line: FPS=70, memory usage 360M, layer 0 - visible. 2. 3D clouds ON from command line: memory usage from 800M up to 1.2G - pitch =0 deg : FPS=10-12 - pitch =90 deg : FPS=70 - pitch =-90 deg : FPS=70 3. 3D clouds ON from command line, than switch OFF from menu : FPS = 60-70, memory usage 700-800M 4. 3D clouds ON from command line, start at lat,lon = 0, 0 (no scenery loaded) : NO clouds in layer 0, both 3D and 2D. If switch 3D clouds OFF from menu then 2D clouds appears. With respect, Alex -- Come build with us! The BlackBerry(R) Developer Conference in SF, CA is the only developer event you need to attend this year. Jumpstart your developing skills, take BlackBerry mobile applications to market and stay ahead of the curve. Join us from November 9 - 12, 2009. Register now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/devconference ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
[Flightgear-devel] FG crashes when changing visibility
Hi, I was noticed that FG hangs and than crashes if pressing z key. If visibility value is not controlled by user, it can be occasionally **increased to a huge value (1000 km). In this case TileLoader is trying to load hundreds of tiles. At the beginning I was expected a number of tiles to be limited by the size of TileCache (100), but I was mistaken. Size of TileCache is growing in routine FGTileMgr::schedule_needed( ... ) to make space for all tiles. On my PC when /environment/visibility-m 500-1000km memory usage grows from 300M up to 3G an this leads to crash. Can somebody limit the value in property /environment/visibility-m or the value of variable vis in FGTileMgr::schedule_needed( ... ). The maximum value of 100km will be acceptable IMHO. With respect, Alex -- Come build with us! The BlackBerry(R) Developer Conference in SF, CA is the only developer event you need to attend this year. Jumpstart your developing skills, take BlackBerry mobile applications to market and stay ahead of the curve. Join us from November 9 - 12, 2009. Register now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/devconference ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] RSync for TerraSync down
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Re: [Flightgear-devel] Source code control systems
On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 10:05 PM, Alex Perry alex.pe...@ieee.org wrote: On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 9:46 PM, Tom P zomm...@gmail.com wrote: Hi I've tried to push a Mercurial test repository (FlightGear converted from CVS) to code.google.com for a few hours, without success. It aborts regularly with the following message: searching for changes abort: error: Connection timed out After digging a bit, it looks like I stumbled on a known issue.. ooops!! http://code.google.com/p/support/issues/detail?id=2716 Could you put the exact repository you're trying to push somewhere where I can get at it? Feel free to try sending a tarball to me directly by email on the off chance it fits through the gateways. The exact tarball Tom sent over uploaded fine for me over home broadband: http://code.google.com/p/support/issues/detail?id=2716#c22 Therefore, in addition to the bitbucket repository Tom mentioned below, we also have: hg clone https://possible-little-test.googlecode.com/hg FlightGear-0.9 Both seem to work for me, so it'd probably be a good idea to do the Mercurial client tool usability testing against both repositories in case there is a difference we care about. So, next I tried on bitbucket.org, which is the mainstream Hg hosting site, and gladly it worked as expected. The complete FlightGear repo got pushed in 11minutes, and for your reference, is available here: http://bitbucket.org/tomp/fg-test/ The only thing that I don't like about bitbucket.org is that repositories are not organized by project, like on gitorious.org, but only per person. It makes sense for an anarchic... err, deeply distributed development model, but could get confusing quickly if we want to stick to a semi-centralized one. I don't think that's a factor for people trying out the client side tools for Hg to see whether they suitably usable. What now? I'll try to break TortoiseGit on the Windows side of things. Somehow I'm not convinced that Qt would use Git if it was so broken on Windows, but it's just me. Have fun! Tom On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 12:01 AM, Erik Hofman e...@ehofman.com wrote: Olaf Flebbe wrote: Windows Implementations: git can be tedious to use on Windows: I had big problems working on a project mixing up git repositories on linux pushed and pulled by a windows git via samba. git at some point complained about non existing differences: Somehow line ending issues emerged, or the object store got corrupted. I had no chance to look deeper into details. The stable git command on Windows needs cygwin, which is not a minimal invasive installation. (I wouldn't recommend the msys/mingw installation at this point.) The hg (mercurial) Implementation of Windows is very lean, because no POSIX emulation layer is needed. I (luckily?) had no problems with respect to line endings with hg. This alone leaves me to rethink about git in favor of hg. Either are fine with me in the end but I would hate to lose Windows developers over this. Erik -- Come build with us! The BlackBerryreg; Developer Conference in SF, CA is the only developer event you need to attend this year. Jumpstart your developing skills, take BlackBerry mobile applications to market and stay ahead of the curve. Join us from November 9#45;12, 2009. Register now#33; http://p.sf.net/sfu/devconf ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel -- Come build with us! The BlackBerryreg; Developer Conference in SF, CA is the only developer event you need to attend this year. Jumpstart your developing skills, take BlackBerry mobile applications to market and stay ahead of the curve. Join us from November 9#45;12, 2009. Register now#33; http://p.sf.net/sfu/devconf ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel -- Come build with us! The BlackBerryreg; Developer Conference in SF, CA is the only developer event you need to attend this year. Jumpstart your developing skills, take BlackBerry mobile applications to market and stay ahead of the curve. Join us from November 9#45;12, 2009. Register now#33; http://p.sf.net/sfu/devconf ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Source code control systems
On Sat, Sep 26, 2009 at 1:50 PM, Olaf Flebbe f...@oflebbe.de wrote: I do not have write permissions to any of the hg or git reprositories... Yeah. I don't think there is a way I can find out everybody's google accounts from their email traffic. To try to speed this up, I've put up a quick web form: https://spreadsheets.google.com/viewform?formkey=dDZYb1RvYkpVRWhST2hhVFltWDQxNnc6MA But, if you prefer, feel free to just email me or Tom directly. * Both the hg https://possible-little-test.googlecode.com/hg and the gitorious repositories have corrupted the VC90 Project files. They should to be CR LF terminated files as they are in the CVS. (For instance projects/VC90/FlightGear.sln: A double click does only work with CR LF endings). If the repositories are wrong in exactly the same way, that likely means Tom made a mistake during the conversion step because I just uploaded his repository. Perhaps you could work with him to figure out what it was? We can reload the Code test repository (don't know about the Bitbucket one) as soon as we've got a fix. * The real thing would be FlightGear data! Yes. Let us figure out how to get binary data into Hg correctly first ... Greetings, Olaf -- Come build with us! The BlackBerryreg; Developer Conference in SF, CA is the only developer event you need to attend this year. Jumpstart your developing skills, take BlackBerry mobile applications to market and stay ahead of the curve. Join us from November 9#45;12, 2009. Register now#33; http://p.sf.net/sfu/devconf ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Is ther any MSVC example code to send/receive data to FG over an internet connection?
Randall Green wrote: I am testing a new Primary Flight Display with a tunnel in the sky. It will run on a separate computer and I need FlightGear for it's flight dynamics. I'ld like the PFD to receive Lat, lon, altitude, heading, pitch, roll, alpha and beta from FG and also I'ld like to tell FG to put out the gear and flaps when the altitude first goes below 1000 ft. Curt Olson says that I could do it with an internet connection, to gather variables and send commands. Is there any example code written in MSVC I could look at to make the internet connection on the PFD end? Thanks, Randy Green Look here: http://cvs.flightgear.org/viewvc/source/examples/netfdm/ It is not MSVC, but for MSWin. With respect, Alex -- Come build with us! The BlackBerryreg; Developer Conference in SF, CA is the only developer event you need to attend this year. Jumpstart your developing skills, take BlackBerry mobile applications to market and stay ahead of the curve. Join us from November 9#45;12, 2009. Register now#33; http://p.sf.net/sfu/devconf ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Source code control systems
On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 9:46 PM, Tom P zomm...@gmail.com wrote: Hi I've tried to push a Mercurial test repository (FlightGear converted from CVS) to code.google.com for a few hours, without success. It aborts regularly with the following message: searching for changes abort: error: Connection timed out After digging a bit, it looks like I stumbled on a known issue.. ooops!! http://code.google.com/p/support/issues/detail?id=2716 Could you put the exact repository you're trying to push somewhere where I can get at it? Feel free to try sending a tarball to me directly by email on the off chance it fits through the gateways. So, next I tried on bitbucket.org, which is the mainstream Hg hosting site, and gladly it worked as expected. The complete FlightGear repo got pushed in 11minutes, and for your reference, is available here: http://bitbucket.org/tomp/fg-test/ The only thing that I don't like about bitbucket.org is that repositories are not organized by project, like on gitorious.org, but only per person. It makes sense for an anarchic... err, deeply distributed development model, but could get confusing quickly if we want to stick to a semi-centralized one. I don't think that's a factor for people trying out the client side tools for Hg to see whether they suitably usable. What now? I'll try to break TortoiseGit on the Windows side of things. Somehow I'm not convinced that Qt would use Git if it was so broken on Windows, but it's just me. Have fun! Tom On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 12:01 AM, Erik Hofman e...@ehofman.com wrote: Olaf Flebbe wrote: Windows Implementations: git can be tedious to use on Windows: I had big problems working on a project mixing up git repositories on linux pushed and pulled by a windows git via samba. git at some point complained about non existing differences: Somehow line ending issues emerged, or the object store got corrupted. I had no chance to look deeper into details. The stable git command on Windows needs cygwin, which is not a minimal invasive installation. (I wouldn't recommend the msys/mingw installation at this point.) The hg (mercurial) Implementation of Windows is very lean, because no POSIX emulation layer is needed. I (luckily?) had no problems with respect to line endings with hg. This alone leaves me to rethink about git in favor of hg. Either are fine with me in the end but I would hate to lose Windows developers over this. Erik -- Come build with us! The BlackBerryreg; Developer Conference in SF, CA is the only developer event you need to attend this year. Jumpstart your developing skills, take BlackBerry mobile applications to market and stay ahead of the curve. Join us from November 9#45;12, 2009. Register now#33; http://p.sf.net/sfu/devconf ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel -- Come build with us! The BlackBerryreg; Developer Conference in SF, CA is the only developer event you need to attend this year. Jumpstart your developing skills, take BlackBerry mobile applications to market and stay ahead of the curve. Join us from November 9#45;12, 2009. Register now#33; http://p.sf.net/sfu/devconf ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel -- Come build with us! The BlackBerryreg; Developer Conference in SF, CA is the only developer event you need to attend this year. Jumpstart your developing skills, take BlackBerry mobile applications to market and stay ahead of the curve. Join us from November 9#45;12, 2009. Register now#33; http://p.sf.net/sfu/devconf ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Weird Sun and weather bugs
Erik Hofman wrote: It's way more extreme than that, the dewpoint once in a while seems to reset to -2.8308 from it's current value causing the humidity to jump way beyond 100% (I've seen 1200%). I could limit the humidity to 100% but that only hides the problem. I did not find why the dewpoint varies that much. Erik I have made a log in function _recalc_alt_dewpoint() with the last environment.cxx from CVS (rev 1.31). Here is written at level flight: step to _recalc_alt_dewpoint () elevation_ft is 41981.8 dewpoint_degc is -56.5 temperature_degc is -56.5 step to _recalc_alt_dewpoint () elevation_ft is 41981.8 dewpoint_degc is -2.8308 temperature_degc is -2.8308 step to _recalc_alt_dewpoint () elevation_ft is 41981.8 dewpoint_degc is -56.5 temperature_degc is -56.5 step to _recalc_alt_dewpoint () elevation_ft is 41981.8 dewpoint_degc is -56.5 temperature_degc is -56.5 step to _recalc_alt_dewpoint () elevation_ft is 41981.8 dewpoint_degc is -56.5 temperature_degc is -56.5 step to _recalc_alt_dewpoint () elevation_ft is 41981.8 dewpoint_degc is -56.5 temperature_degc is -56.5 step to _recalc_alt_dewpoint () elevation_ft is 41981.8 dewpoint_degc is -56.5 temperature_degc is -56.5 step to _recalc_alt_dewpoint () elevation_ft is 41981.8 dewpoint_degc is -56.5 temperature_degc is -56.5 step to _recalc_alt_dewpoint () elevation_ft is 41981.8 dewpoint_degc is -56.5 temperature_degc is -56.5 step to _recalc_alt_dewpoint () elevation_ft is 41981.8 dewpoint_degc is -2.8308 temperature_degc is -2.8308 step to _recalc_alt_dewpoint () elevation_ft is 41981.8 dewpoint_degc is -56.5 temperature_degc is -56.5 step to _recalc_alt_dewpoint () elevation_ft is 41981.8 dewpoint_degc is -56.5 temperature_degc is -56.5 step to _recalc_alt_dewpoint () elevation_ft is 41981.8 dewpoint_degc is -56.5 temperature_degc is -56.5 step to _recalc_alt_dewpoint () elevation_ft is 41981.8 dewpoint_degc is -56.5 temperature_degc is -56.5 So problem is in the value of temperature_degc. It seems to be a couple of errors connected with environment. 1) File: fg_commands.cxx, routine: static bool do_set_dewpoint_sea_level_degc (const SGPropertyNode * arg) variable dewpoint_sea_level_degc is defined as double dewpoint_sea_level_degc = arg-getDoubleValue(dewpoint-degc, 5.0); may be correct is: double dewpoint_sea_level_degc = arg-getDoubleValue(dewpoint-sea-level-degc, 5.0); 2) File: environment.cxx, routine: void interpolate (const FGEnvironment * env1, const FGEnvironment * env2, double fraction, FGEnvironment * result) the lines : result-set_dewpoint_degc (do_interp(env1-get_dewpoint_sea_level_degc(), env2-get_dewpoint_sea_level_degc(), fraction)); may be correct is: result-set_dewpoint_sea_level_degc (do_interp(env1-get_dewpoint_sea_level_degc(), env2-get_dewpoint_sea_level_degc(), fraction)); With respect, Alex -- Come build with us! The BlackBerryreg; Developer Conference in SF, CA is the only developer event you need to attend this year. Jumpstart your developing skills, take BlackBerry mobile applications to market and stay ahead of the curve. Join us from November 9#45;12, 2009. Register now#33; http://p.sf.net/sfu/devconf ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Weird Sun and weather bugs
Here it is!! At procedure void FGEnvironment::set_elevation_ft (double e) change : _recalc_alt_dewpoint(); _recalc_alt_pt(); to : _recalc_alt_pt(); _recalc_alt_dewpoint(); It corrects all. With respect, Alex -- Come build with us! The BlackBerryreg; Developer Conference in SF, CA is the only developer event you need to attend this year. Jumpstart your developing skills, take BlackBerry mobile applications to market and stay ahead of the curve. Join us from November 9#45;12, 2009. Register now#33; http://p.sf.net/sfu/devconf ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Weird Sun and weather bugs
Victhor Foster wrote: I don't remember when this started, I think it was a week or so. Well, the Sun bug is simple: switching time to Dawn/Dusk will cause the sun colors to start flashing between the correct colors and morning/noon/ afternoon colors. The weather bug is: after about 1 ft MSL (I think) it starts raining. When I get past about 15000 ft MSL snow starts falling. It stops after some time, eventually. I don't recall seeing snow falling on my last plane trip :P I got snow at 4000 - 6000ft and it is depending on plane speed. While using ufo FDM at zero speed snow stop. Noticeable scenery flashing starts at altitudes above 2ft without time switching. At altitudes ~4ft flash colors become dark. With respect, Alex -- Come build with us! The BlackBerryreg; Developer Conference in SF, CA is the only developer event you need to attend this year. Jumpstart your developing skills, take BlackBerry mobile applications to market and stay ahead of the curve. Join us from November 9#45;12, 2009. Register now#33; http://p.sf.net/sfu/devconf ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] gitorious repositories for FlightGear and SimGear
On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 9:51 AM, Erik Hofman e...@ehofman.com wrote: One thing I have been wondering since this discussion started; Google seems to have found a nice way to add small diffs for binary data[1]. Maybe they have incorporated that into their repository? If they have, it won't help us. We're not distributing blobs of x86 machine code. -- Come build with us! The BlackBerryreg; Developer Conference in SF, CA is the only developer event you need to attend this year. Jumpstart your developing skills, take BlackBerry mobile applications to market and stay ahead of the curve. Join us from November 9#45;12, 2009. Register now#33; http://p.sf.net/sfu/devconf ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Source code control systems
On Sun, Sep 13, 2009 at 12:56 PM, Stuart Buchanan stuart_d_bucha...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Tim Moore wrote: On 09/02/2009 09:19 PM, Curtis Olson wrote: Is this an argument to stay with CVS for the data portion of the project? This is a good point to bring up though in advance. The default project quota at code.google.com (is there a shorter abbreviation?) CodeSite? CS? is 1Gb so we'd be fine for SimGear and FlightGear code, but we'd blow way over that for data. I'm happy to ask for a waiver on the size limit for CodeSite SVN or CodeSite Hg, but I wasn't going to bring the subject up with the administrators until our developer community has decided that this is the preferred choice. If it does. I think this is an argument for splitting up the aircraft into multiple repositories. The vast majority of space in data is used by the aircraft. With a small change to flightgear to support a path list for searching for aircraft, the unified data repository could be split into seperate repos for each aircraft author, or it could be arranged by theme (jets, warbirds, etc.) if people preferred that. I know that people do like the ease of finding a large source of downloadable aircraft in one place, in contrast to the MSFS world; the project could maintain a directory of links to available (and GPL compatible) aircraft. I like having the aircraft all in one place, and being able to do a $VCS sync and go for coffee to get them all up to date. If we use lots of different repositories, we'll end up with a script that knows where all the repositories are and how to check them out into a unified directory tree. I suspect that'll be a lot less convenient to maintain in a platform independent manner, especially if we want to allow for subsystem developers who don't want to use cygwin style VCS clients. I'm very strongly in favour of splitting the Aircraft off from the core data, whatever repository we end up using. The number and size of aircraft continues to grow, far faster than the size of the core data. I'd prefer to have a dependency graph (makefiles is fine) that describes to what extent the aircraft directories aren't independent of each other. That would let fgrun do a real time sync of just the aircraft I'm about to fly immediately prior to launching the simulator. It also makes it easier and safe for the aircraft developers to share components. Any aircraft developer who doesn't want to share between aircraft doesn't need to learn how the makefiles work. At the extreme limit of this approach, internet connected simulators wouldn't need to download the base image at all. Just download the binaries, launch fgrun, wait while it checks out the top level makefile, then checks out all the dependencies required for fgrun itself to work. After that quick one-time setup, you can start making selections on aircraft and starting location. If you don't have the prerequisite data, fgrun downloads it for you. If you do, it asks whether you would like to refresh your local snapshot from the VCS before takeoff. Once that is done, we know the data tree is ready for FGFS. The manual command line version of that preflight (i.e. without either fgrun or terrasync) might be as simple as: make Aircraft/c172p Airports/KMYF Such a dynamic demand driven approach is still possible using multiple repositories, but the scripting automation to support it will get ugly pretty quickly. -- Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus on what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
