[Flightgear-devel] Google Summer Of Code
Now its a new year an warmer for us lot in the north of the equator.. Can I suggest now the project proposal.. for year marking and done... I suggest we need a project manager and for this I project Geoff... GBH As GBH is chared with the jobs uncoming in the aero industry and student its recommended we come up with the projects.. What is the project for Google Summer of Code... For a pilot it starts with OAT, For atc its SID and STAR So I can see no reason, or bannana or chesnut that we shoudld elect.. GBH for this wole i the first yeaar GBH talen is a massive ddebuggong exersie.. Onece we agree on a fixed chair, wwhen I believe that all of us can rotate abbbout the relms.. Lets Bullshit Goggle... Hello I am from germany, I am and Open source advocado.. get in the hot seat with rules and regulation... -- Try before you buy = See our experts in action! The most comprehensive online learning library for Microsoft developers is just $99.99! Visual Studio, SharePoint, SQL - plus HTML5, CSS3, MVC3, Metro Style Apps, more. Free future releases when you subscribe now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/learndevnow-dev2___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Google Summer of Code
On Tue, Mar 9, 2010 at 9:08 AM, Pete Morgan wrote: Has/Does FlightGear participate ? http://google-opensource.blogspot.com/2010/03/google-summer-of-code-applications-now.html Just to put some closure on this thread. I had one person reply (Tim) with an offer to be a possible mentor. That was pretty much it ... other than a couple peripheral emails (Stuart wrote about our bug tracking system, Vivian wrote in to remind us of the short time frame, Alex offered possible support as co-admin if no one else would do it, and that he'd be open to considering mentorship if something really came through with his name all over it.) I was hoping for a bunch of good project ideas. I was hoping for some help filling out the application form and answer the questions. Mostly I was hoping for a couple really enthusiastic volunteers at the mentor level to jump in and help get this going and push it through. I am unfortunately not able to commit to carrying this whole thing entirely on my own shoulders. The necessary components unfortunately did not materialize this year, but I'd love to revisit this subject again (before the deadline) for next year. I do think that mentorship (whether official or unofficial) is a very important thing. It's a great way for the younger generation to learn a lot of practical lessons about life (beyond just facts and ideas, but there is a lot of that which can be learned too.) There is much to be learned about process, and attitude, and interpersonal interactions, and what it takes to be successful. Of course non of us are experts or know everything. The older generation is not always a shining example of what the younger generation should aspire too. But if the younger generation is willing to slow down and listen, there is a lot to be learned ... if we have mentors on the other side willing to share. Best regards, Curt. -- Curtis Olson: http://baron.flightgear.org/~curt/ -- Download Intel#174; Parallel Studio Eval Try the new software tools for yourself. Speed compiling, find bugs proactively, and fine-tune applications for parallel performance. See why Intel Parallel Studio got high marks during beta. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-sw-dev___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Google Summer of Code
On Fri, 19 Mar 2010, Curtis Olson wrote: On Tue, Mar 9, 2010 at 9:08 AM, Pete Morgan wrote: Has/Does FlightGear participate ? http://google-opensource.blogspot.com/2010/03/google-summer-of-code-applications-now.html Curt, could the lack of enthusiasm been more due to the short timeframe than anything else? AFAIK, the GSoC participants are thinking about their entry *months* in advance. Why not make a note to revist a GSoC entry about 2-3 months before the 2011 entry deadline? That gives you guys plenty of time to identify the best use of the GSoC resources for FlightGear and a well prepared proposal would go a long way towards getting it accepted. just sayin'. :) g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. http://www.simpits.org/geneb - The Me-109F/X Project ScarletDME - The red hot Data Management Environment A Multi-Value database for the masses, not the classes. http://www.scarletdme.org - Get it _today_! -- Download Intel#174; Parallel Studio Eval Try the new software tools for yourself. Speed compiling, find bugs proactively, and fine-tune applications for parallel performance. See why Intel Parallel Studio got high marks during beta. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-sw-dev ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Google Summer of Code
On Fri, Mar 19, 2010 at 10:45 AM, Gene Buckle ge...@deltasoft.com wrote: Curt, could the lack of enthusiasm been more due to the short timeframe than anything else? AFAIK, the GSoC participants are thinking about their entry *months* in advance. Why not make a note to revist a GSoC entry about 2-3 months before the 2011 entry deadline? That gives you guys plenty of time to identify the best use of the GSoC resources for FlightGear and a well prepared proposal would go a long way towards getting it accepted. Hi Gene, What you are sayin' makes sense. Why don't we form a GSOC committee for lack of a better name. This committee could start thinking and preparing right now, or at least a couple months in advance. I'm willing to participate, but I can't commit to pulling lead and carrying all the load myself. Do we have anyone who would want to take charge of this effort, get things rolling, get things organized, keep track of deadlines, and just do whatever it takes to push this through for next year? We need a couple dedicated people to step forward and take charge here. Otherwise we'll be sayin' the same things at this time next year. :-) Regards, Curt. -- Curtis Olson: http://baron.flightgear.org/~curt/ -- Download Intel#174; Parallel Studio Eval Try the new software tools for yourself. Speed compiling, find bugs proactively, and fine-tune applications for parallel performance. See why Intel Parallel Studio got high marks during beta. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-sw-dev___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Google Summer of Code
On Fri, 19 Mar 2010, Curtis Olson wrote: On Fri, Mar 19, 2010 at 10:45 AM, Gene Buckle ge...@deltasoft.com wrote: Curt, could the lack of enthusiasm been more due to the short timeframe than anything else? AFAIK, the GSoC participants are thinking about their entry *months* in advance. Why not make a note to revist a GSoC entry about 2-3 months before the 2011 entry deadline? That gives you guys plenty of time to identify the best use of the GSoC resources for FlightGear and a well prepared proposal would go a long way towards getting it accepted. Hi Gene, What you are sayin' makes sense. Why don't we form a GSOC committee for lack of a better name. This committee could start thinking and preparing right now, or at least a couple months in advance. I'm willing to participate, but I can't commit to pulling lead and carrying all the load myself. Do we have anyone who would want to take charge of this effort, get things rolling, get things organized, keep track of deadlines, and just do whatever it takes to push this through for next year? We need a couple dedicated people to step forward and take charge here. Otherwise we'll be sayin' the same things at this time next year. :-) I guess the first thing to identify is what date would be appropriate to start this process for the 2011 GSoC run? I don't have the time to take lead on this either, but I'm a pretty good cat herder. :) g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. http://www.simpits.org/geneb - The Me-109F/X Project ScarletDME - The red hot Data Management Environment A Multi-Value database for the masses, not the classes. http://www.scarletdme.org - Get it _today_! -- Download Intel#174; Parallel Studio Eval Try the new software tools for yourself. Speed compiling, find bugs proactively, and fine-tune applications for parallel performance. See why Intel Parallel Studio got high marks during beta. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-sw-dev ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Google Summer of Code
Curtis Olson wrote: On Fri, Mar 19, 2010 at 10:45 AM, Gene Buckle ge...@deltasoft.com mailto:ge...@deltasoft.com wrote: Curt, could the lack of enthusiasm been more due to the short timeframe than anything else? AFAIK, the GSoC participants are thinking about their entry *months* in advance. Why not make a note to revist a GSoC entry about 2-3 months before the 2011 entry deadline? That gives you guys plenty of time to identify the best use of the GSoC resources for FlightGear and a well prepared proposal would go a long way towards getting it accepted. Hi Gene, What you are sayin' makes sense. Why don't we form a GSOC committee for lack of a better name. This committee could start thinking and preparing right now, or at least a couple months in advance. I'm willing to participate, but I can't commit to pulling lead and carrying all the load myself. Do we have anyone who would want to take charge of this effort, get things rolling, get things organized, keep track of deadlines, and just do whatever it takes to push this through for next year? We need a couple dedicated people to step forward and take charge here. Otherwise we'll be sayin' the same things at this time next year. :-) Regards, Curt. -- Curtis Olson: http://baron.flightgear.org/~curt/ http://baron.flightgear.org/%7Ecurt/ Hi, Curt. Another F/OSS project I've been watching for years is BZFlag. They've participated in GSoC three years in a row and seem to have been pretty successful each time. They've also been quite good at documenting their efforts; reading their GSoC wiki pages could be a great guide for future FG GSoC efforts (see http://my.bzflag.org/w/Google_Summer_of_Code ). One thing that's pretty clear is that the first burden of success is on the mentors to be available for the students. Using IRC seems to have worked out pretty well, even with many time zones between the student and mentor. I think FG is an excellent candidate project for GSoC because it involves so many different and interesting disciplines. It should be easy to attract bright and enthusiastic students. To pull it off, though, requires advance planning and a genuine commitment of time on the part of seasoned developers who are to be mentors. As an example, in spite of previous successes with GSoC, BZFlag is not participating this year... because they need to get their next release out! -Reagan -- Download Intel#174; Parallel Studio Eval Try the new software tools for yourself. Speed compiling, find bugs proactively, and fine-tune applications for parallel performance. See why Intel Parallel Studio got high marks during beta. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-sw-dev ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Google Summer of Code
Reagan Thomas wrote: Curtis Olson wrote: On Fri, Mar 19, 2010 at 10:45 AM, Gene Buckle ge...@deltasoft.com mailto:ge...@deltasoft.com wrote: Curt, could the lack of enthusiasm been more due to the short timeframe than anything else? AFAIK, the GSoC participants are thinking about their entry *months* in advance. Why not make a note to revist a GSoC entry about 2-3 months before the 2011 entry deadline? That gives you guys plenty of time to identify the best use of the GSoC resources for FlightGear and a well prepared proposal would go a long way towards getting it accepted. Hi Gene, What you are sayin' makes sense. Why don't we form a GSOC committee for lack of a better name. This committee could start thinking and preparing right now, or at least a couple months in advance. I'm willing to participate, but I can't commit to pulling lead and carrying all the load myself. Do we have anyone who would want to take charge of this effort, get things rolling, get things organized, keep track of deadlines, and just do whatever it takes to push this through for next year? We need a couple dedicated people to step forward and take charge here. Otherwise we'll be sayin' the same things at this time next year. :-) Regards, Curt. -- Curtis Olson: http://baron.flightgear.org/~curt/ http://baron.flightgear.org/%7Ecurt/ Hi, Curt. Another F/OSS project I've been watching for years is BZFlag. They've participated in GSoC three years in a row and seem to have been pretty successful each time. They've also been quite good at documenting their efforts; reading their GSoC wiki pages could be a great guide for future FG GSoC efforts (see http://my.bzflag.org/w/Google_Summer_of_Code ). One thing that's pretty clear is that the first burden of success is on the mentors to be available for the students. Using IRC seems to have worked out pretty well, even with many time zones between the student and mentor. I think FG is an excellent candidate project for GSoC because it involves so many different and interesting disciplines. It should be easy to attract bright and enthusiastic students. To pull it off, though, requires advance planning and a genuine commitment of time on the part of seasoned developers who are to be mentors. As an example, in spite of previous successes with GSoC, BZFlag is not participating this year... because they need to get their next release out! -Reagan I should have included this link to their 2007 GSoC post mortem: http://my.bzflag.org/gsoc/bzflag_gsoc2007_post_mortem.pdf -- Download Intel#174; Parallel Studio Eval Try the new software tools for yourself. Speed compiling, find bugs proactively, and fine-tune applications for parallel performance. See why Intel Parallel Studio got high marks during beta. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-sw-dev ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Google Summer of Code
Is it worth setting up a GOSC wiki page to start organizing our thoughts and possible volunteers? If we wait on this we'll very likely have a repeat of this year when next year's deadline comes around. Several people have written expressing support that this is a good idea, but we need actual warm bodies to step up to the plate and do something here if we are going to move forward with this. The point is to help mentor some younger kids, so we need to be organized and have our mentoring act together before I'd feel comfortable putting in an application. I don't want to waste a couple kids summers. Regards, Curt. On Fri, Mar 19, 2010 at 11:08 AM, Gene Buckle ge...@deltasoft.com wrote: On Fri, 19 Mar 2010, Curtis Olson wrote: On Fri, Mar 19, 2010 at 10:45 AM, Gene Buckle ge...@deltasoft.com wrote: Curt, could the lack of enthusiasm been more due to the short timeframe than anything else? AFAIK, the GSoC participants are thinking about their entry *months* in advance. Why not make a note to revist a GSoC entry about 2-3 months before the 2011 entry deadline? That gives you guys plenty of time to identify the best use of the GSoC resources for FlightGear and a well prepared proposal would go a long way towards getting it accepted. Hi Gene, What you are sayin' makes sense. Why don't we form a GSOC committee for lack of a better name. This committee could start thinking and preparing right now, or at least a couple months in advance. I'm willing to participate, but I can't commit to pulling lead and carrying all the load myself. Do we have anyone who would want to take charge of this effort, get things rolling, get things organized, keep track of deadlines, and just do whatever it takes to push this through for next year? We need a couple dedicated people to step forward and take charge here. Otherwise we'll be sayin' the same things at this time next year. :-) I guess the first thing to identify is what date would be appropriate to start this process for the 2011 GSoC run? I don't have the time to take lead on this either, but I'm a pretty good cat herder. :) g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. http://www.simpits.org/geneb - The Me-109F/X Project ScarletDME - The red hot Data Management Environment A Multi-Value database for the masses, not the classes. http://www.scarletdme.org - Get it _today_! -- Download Intel#174; Parallel Studio Eval Try the new software tools for yourself. Speed compiling, find bugs proactively, and fine-tune applications for parallel performance. See why Intel Parallel Studio got high marks during beta. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-sw-dev ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel -- Curtis Olson: http://baron.flightgear.org/~curt/ -- Download Intel#174; Parallel Studio Eval Try the new software tools for yourself. Speed compiling, find bugs proactively, and fine-tune applications for parallel performance. See why Intel Parallel Studio got high marks during beta. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-sw-dev___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Google Summer of Code
On Fri, 19 Mar 2010, Curtis Olson wrote: Is it worth setting up a GOSC wiki page to start organizing our thoughts and possible volunteers? If we wait on this we'll very likely have a repeat of this year when next year's deadline comes around. Several people have written expressing support that this is a good idea, but we need actual warm bodies to step up to the plate and do something here if we are going to move forward with this. The point is to help mentor some younger kids, so we need to be organized and have our mentoring act together before I'd feel comfortable putting in an application. I don't want to waste a couple kids summers. I would think so, yes. The first thing we can teach them is how not to top post. :) g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. http://www.simpits.org/geneb - The Me-109F/X Project ScarletDME - The red hot Data Management Environment A Multi-Value database for the masses, not the classes. http://www.scarletdme.org - Get it _today_! -- Download Intel#174; Parallel Studio Eval Try the new software tools for yourself. Speed compiling, find bugs proactively, and fine-tune applications for parallel performance. See why Intel Parallel Studio got high marks during beta. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-sw-dev ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Google Summer of Code
A good mail reader can straighten it all out ... :-) On Fri, Mar 19, 2010 at 2:47 PM, Gene Buckle wrote: I would think so, yes. The first thing we can teach them is how not to top post. :) -- Curtis Olson: http://baron.flightgear.org/~curt/ -- Download Intel#174; Parallel Studio Eval Try the new software tools for yourself. Speed compiling, find bugs proactively, and fine-tune applications for parallel performance. See why Intel Parallel Studio got high marks during beta. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-sw-dev___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Google Summer of Code
On Fri, 19 Mar 2010, Curtis Olson wrote: A good mail reader can straighten it all out ... :-) On Fri, Mar 19, 2010 at 2:47 PM, Gene Buckle wrote: I would think so, yes. The first thing we can teach them is how not to top post. :) *facepalm* g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. http://www.simpits.org/geneb - The Me-109F/X Project ScarletDME - The red hot Data Management Environment A Multi-Value database for the masses, not the classes. http://www.scarletdme.org - Get it _today_! -- Download Intel#174; Parallel Studio Eval Try the new software tools for yourself. Speed compiling, find bugs proactively, and fine-tune applications for parallel performance. See why Intel Parallel Studio got high marks during beta. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-sw-dev ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Google Summer of Code
Curtis Olson wrote: On Fri, Mar 19, 2010 at 10:45 AM, Gene Buckle ge...@deltasoft.com mailto:ge...@deltasoft.com wrote: Curt, could the lack of enthusiasm been more due to the short timeframe than anything else? AFAIK, the GSoC participants are thinking about their entry *months* in advance. Why not make a note to revist a GSoC entry about 2-3 months before the 2011 entry deadline? That gives you guys plenty of time to identify the best use of the GSoC resources for FlightGear and a well prepared proposal would go a long way towards getting it accepted. Hi Gene, What you are sayin' makes sense. Why don't we form a GSOC committee for lack of a better name. This committee could start thinking and preparing right now, or at least a couple months in advance. I'm willing to participate, but I can't commit to pulling lead and carrying all the load myself. Do we have anyone who would want to take charge of this effort, get things rolling, get things organized, keep track of deadlines, and just do whatever it takes to push this through for next year? We need a couple dedicated people to step forward and take charge here. Otherwise we'll be sayin' the same things at this time next year. :-) Regards, Curt. -- Curtis Olson: http://baron.flightgear.org/~curt/ OK I'll volunteer to be on that committee. I am no coder so I'm probably unsuited as an individual mentor, but I do have some project mgmt skills. I kicked off #FG-GSoC on irc.flightgear.org so we don't distract the normal chatter on #flightgear. I'll put together a list of proposed milestones that I think we should be aiming for. One very important milestone will be the finalising of the short-list of projects and their associated mentors. This should be in place by Jan 1 2011. We need to be realistic about projects though and remember that the features we really really want added to FG will not have a line of code written until May 2011 at the very earliest. So we need long-term thinking on this. An important early task MUST be to get commitment from a range of mentors so we can properly support these kids. I have made some minor changes to http://wiki.flightgear.org/index.php/Google_Summer_of_Code_Candidate_Projects Please add your own thoughts. Perhaps we could have a GSoC section on the spiffy new (pref django-powered) website that will be along anytime soon? Best Regards Willie Fleming -- Download Intel#174; Parallel Studio Eval Try the new software tools for yourself. Speed compiling, find bugs proactively, and fine-tune applications for parallel performance. See why Intel Parallel Studio got high marks during beta. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-sw-dev ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Google Summer of Code
Curtis Olson wrote: One more thing we need. I need someone to sign up on the google summer of code page and create an ID for themselves. The applications requires a backup admin link id and it will not let me enter myself. Thanks, Curt. Have files this issue #101 - Google Summer Of Code Deasline for mentors = us is Fri 12th at 23:00 UTC.. so everthing needs to be done pretty well a few hours before.. in determingning ideas etc.. Its an issue for everyone PLEASE to stick in the ideas NOW.. so they can be reviewed and eliminated.. http://code.google.com/p/flightgear-bugs/issues/detail?id=101 pete On Tue, Mar 9, 2010 at 9:39 AM, Curtis Olson wrote: On Tue, Mar 9, 2010 at 8:08 AM, Pete Morgan wrote: Has/Does FlightGear participate ? http://google-opensource.blogspot.com/2010/03/google-summer-of-code-applications-now.html We have never participated before, but I see the deadline for organizations to apply is March 12 ... coming right up. It's not like I've got nothing else to do, but I like the idea of mentoring. I can think of many individuals who have played a mentor roll from time to time for me and I am very appreciative of that. So I am submitting an application for FlightGear (assuming no one else has already.) Here are some things we need: 1. Mentors 2. Student applicants (mentorees). 3. A web page listing project/mentoring ideas 1 3 are the most important to have lined up before March 12 (Friday.) The organization application has some questions that I'd love to have some help thinking about and answering: 1. What criteria did you use to select the individuals who will act as mentors for your organization? Please be as specific as possible. 2. What is your plan for dealing with disappearing students? 3. What is your plan for dealing with disappearing mentors? 4. What steps will you take to encourage students to interact with your project's community before, during and after the program? 5. What will you do to ensure that your accepted students stick with the project after GSoC concludes? 6. What would our organization expect to gain from this experience? As you can see, this would not be a trivial undertaking for the FlightGear project, and it's not something I can carry entirely on my own shoulders. Do we have others in the project that would be willing to volunteer their time and participate in a mentoring and organizational roll? We also need to quickly assemble a list of possible student project ideas ... and these need to be well measured ... like you would measure a pass in soccer/futbol. We want to avoid things that are too hard or too easy. The ball needs to arrive with the correct pace so the student can handle it. We want suggestions that could be attainable by a *student* in the allotted time frame (summer?) and realize that a student may have to spend a good chunk of their time learning about the FlightGear structure before they can advance with their project. I think we should avoid suggesting projects that are in FlightGear's critical path. I.e. add aircraft shadows might be an tempting project to suggest, but is this student level work that could be finished in a summer? Do we want to pin all our hopes for aircraft shadows in FlightGear on a google summer of code student who may bugout mid stream if it starts looking too hard? If it does get too hard, does that student fail or is it us that failed as a mentoring organization? So for project suggestions I think we should focus on projects that have the best chance of teaching student level people, have the best chance of being attainable in a summer of effort, have the best chance of helping a student to gain confidence, knowledge, experience, etc. We should be careful/resistant to suggesting projects that are simply FlightGear feature wishlist items. We should suggest projects that the mentors have some idea of a clear path to a solution (i.e. not so much research into new and unknown things.) I think to be successful, we need to keep our focus on the mentoring aspect of this. The focus is to help bring some of the younger generation up to speed more quickly by sharing our experiences and knowledge. It's something we do already to some extent in a casual context. The google program just makes it official. The mentors commit some time to sharing their experience and knowledge and the students commit to actually listening and respecting what is shared. :-) Those are my thoughts. I can get the ball rolling, but I can't do it all myself. Thanks, Curt. -- Curtis Olson: http://baron.flightgear.org/~curt/
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Google Summer of Code
On Wed, Mar 10, 2010 at 12:01 PM, Pete Morgan wrote: Curtis Olson wrote: One more thing we need. I need someone to sign up on the google summer of code page and create an ID for themselves. The applications requires a backup admin link id and it will not let me enter myself. Thanks, Curt. Have files this issue #101 - Google Summer Of Code Deasline for mentors = us is Fri 12th at 23:00 UTC.. so everthing needs to be done pretty well a few hours before.. in determingning ideas etc.. Its an issue for everyone PLEASE to stick in the ideas NOW.. so they can be reviewed and eliminated.. http://code.google.com/p/flightgear-bugs/issues/detail?id=101 pete Pete, This really isn't a bug, is it? Having made a great start with putting together a bug tracker, you're in real danger of ruining it by adding things like this to it. The bug tracker really has to have a focus on bugs, not feature requests, nor random issues. As a developer I need a database of the known bugs that I can look over easily. Having to manually parse out stuff like this is just going to make me less likely to use it, and therefore make it useless. I'd suggest that the wiki is a better place for this sort of information. -Stuart Buchanan -- Download Intel#174; Parallel Studio Eval Try the new software tools for yourself. Speed compiling, find bugs proactively, and fine-tune applications for parallel performance. See why Intel Parallel Studio got high marks during beta. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-sw-dev ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Google Summer of Code
Stuart Buchanan wrote On Wed, Mar 10, 2010 at 12:01 PM, Pete Morgan wrote: Curtis Olson wrote: One more thing we need. I need someone to sign up on the google summer of code page and create an ID for themselves. The applications requires a backup admin link id and it will not let me enter myself. Thanks, Curt. Have files this issue #101 - Google Summer Of Code Deasline for mentors = us is Fri 12th at 23:00 UTC.. so everthing needs to be done pretty well a few hours before.. in determingning ideas etc.. Its an issue for everyone PLEASE to stick in the ideas NOW.. so they can be reviewed and eliminated.. http://code.google.com/p/flightgear-bugs/issues/detail?id=101 pete Pete, This really isn't a bug, is it? Having made a great start with putting together a bug tracker, you're in real danger of ruining it by adding things like this to it. The bug tracker really has to have a focus on bugs, not feature requests, nor random issues. As a developer I need a database of the known bugs that I can look over easily. Having to manually parse out stuff like this is just going to make me less likely to use it, and therefore make it useless. I'd suggest that the wiki is a better place for this sort of information. Time is of the essence for this issue, if we are not to fail yet again. While you are quite right, let's not be too picky about this one. Vivian -- Download Intel#174; Parallel Studio Eval Try the new software tools for yourself. Speed compiling, find bugs proactively, and fine-tune applications for parallel performance. See why Intel Parallel Studio got high marks during beta. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-sw-dev ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Google Summer of Code
On Tue, Mar 9, 2010 at 4:39 PM, Curtis Olson curtol...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Mar 9, 2010 at 8:08 AM, Pete Morgan ac...@daffodil.uk.com wrote: Has/Does FlightGear participate ? http://google-opensource.blogspot.com/2010/03/google-summer-of-code-applications-now.html We have never participated before, but I see the deadline for organizations to apply is March 12 ... coming right up. It's not like I've got nothing else to do, but I like the idea of mentoring. I can think of many individuals who have played a mentor roll from time to time for me and I am very appreciative of that. So I am submitting an application for FlightGear (assuming no one else has already.) Here are some things we need: 1. Mentors I agree to be a mentor for graphics projects. 2. Student applicants (mentorees). 3. A web page listing project/mentoring ideas 1 3 are the most important to have lined up before March 12 (Friday.) 3. What is your plan for dealing with disappearing mentors? Backup mentors. I think we should avoid suggesting projects that are in FlightGear's critical path. I.e. add aircraft shadows might be an tempting project to suggest, but is this student level work that could be finished in a summer? Do we want to pin all our hopes for aircraft shadows in FlightGear on a google summer of code student who may bugout mid stream if it starts looking too hard? If it does get too hard, does that student fail or is it us that failed as a mentoring organization? I'll respond to shadows specifically, as I know it's a sought-after feature and I've sat on it for more than a year. The problem can be stated as Use the Open Scene Graph Light Space Perspective Shadow technique to implement shadows in FlightGear. There are several well-defined steps, along with some milestones, on the way. For example: * Using OSG demo code, get shadows working by overriding all existing shaders; * adapt our shaders to use a function call to do lighting calculations; * change effects code to link different lighting library to shaders if shadows are enabled; * enable a special shader in an effect when the shadow pass is run; * modify the OSG shadow technique to interact with our effects code; * get this working for the aircraft; * get it working for the whole scene. Yeah, it's ambitious, but it should be achievable in a summer by someone who already has 3D graphics knowledge. Tim -- Download Intel#174; Parallel Studio Eval Try the new software tools for yourself. Speed compiling, find bugs proactively, and fine-tune applications for parallel performance. See why Intel Parallel Studio got high marks during beta. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-sw-dev___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Google Summer of Code
On Tue, Mar 9, 2010 at 8:08 AM, Pete Morgan ac...@daffodil.uk.com wrote: Has/Does FlightGear participate ? http://google-opensource.blogspot.com/2010/03/google-summer-of-code-applications-now.html We have never participated before, but I see the deadline for organizations to apply is March 12 ... coming right up. It's not like I've got nothing else to do, but I like the idea of mentoring. I can think of many individuals who have played a mentor roll from time to time for me and I am very appreciative of that. So I am submitting an application for FlightGear (assuming no one else has already.) Here are some things we need: 1. Mentors 2. Student applicants (mentorees). 3. A web page listing project/mentoring ideas 1 3 are the most important to have lined up before March 12 (Friday.) The organization application has some questions that I'd love to have some help thinking about and answering: 1. What criteria did you use to select the individuals who will act as mentors for your organization? Please be as specific as possible. 2. What is your plan for dealing with disappearing students? 3. What is your plan for dealing with disappearing mentors? 4. What steps will you take to encourage students to interact with your project's community before, during and after the program? 5. What will you do to ensure that your accepted students stick with the project after GSoC concludes? 6. What would our organization expect to gain from this experience? As you can see, this would not be a trivial undertaking for the FlightGear project, and it's not something I can carry entirely on my own shoulders. Do we have others in the project that would be willing to volunteer their time and participate in a mentoring and organizational roll? We also need to quickly assemble a list of possible student project ideas ... and these need to be well measured ... like you would measure a pass in soccer/futbol. We want to avoid things that are too hard or too easy. The ball needs to arrive with the correct pace so the student can handle it. We want suggestions that could be attainable by a *student* in the allotted time frame (summer?) and realize that a student may have to spend a good chunk of their time learning about the FlightGear structure before they can advance with their project. I think we should avoid suggesting projects that are in FlightGear's critical path. I.e. add aircraft shadows might be an tempting project to suggest, but is this student level work that could be finished in a summer? Do we want to pin all our hopes for aircraft shadows in FlightGear on a google summer of code student who may bugout mid stream if it starts looking too hard? If it does get too hard, does that student fail or is it us that failed as a mentoring organization? So for project suggestions I think we should focus on projects that have the best chance of teaching student level people, have the best chance of being attainable in a summer of effort, have the best chance of helping a student to gain confidence, knowledge, experience, etc. We should be careful/resistant to suggesting projects that are simply FlightGear feature wishlist items. We should suggest projects that the mentors have some idea of a clear path to a solution (i.e. not so much research into new and unknown things.) I think to be successful, we need to keep our focus on the mentoring aspect of this. The focus is to help bring some of the younger generation up to speed more quickly by sharing our experiences and knowledge. It's something we do already to some extent in a casual context. The google program just makes it official. The mentors commit some time to sharing their experience and knowledge and the students commit to actually listening and respecting what is shared. :-) Those are my thoughts. I can get the ball rolling, but I can't do it all myself. Thanks, Curt. -- Curtis Olson: http://baron.flightgear.org/~curt/ -- Download Intel#174; Parallel Studio Eval Try the new software tools for yourself. Speed compiling, find bugs proactively, and fine-tune applications for parallel performance. See why Intel Parallel Studio got high marks during beta. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-sw-dev___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Google Summer of Code
One more thing we need. I need someone to sign up on the google summer of code page and create an ID for themselves. The applications requires a backup admin link id and it will not let me enter myself. Thanks, Curt. On Tue, Mar 9, 2010 at 9:39 AM, Curtis Olson wrote: On Tue, Mar 9, 2010 at 8:08 AM, Pete Morgan wrote: Has/Does FlightGear participate ? http://google-opensource.blogspot.com/2010/03/google-summer-of-code-applications-now.html We have never participated before, but I see the deadline for organizations to apply is March 12 ... coming right up. It's not like I've got nothing else to do, but I like the idea of mentoring. I can think of many individuals who have played a mentor roll from time to time for me and I am very appreciative of that. So I am submitting an application for FlightGear (assuming no one else has already.) Here are some things we need: 1. Mentors 2. Student applicants (mentorees). 3. A web page listing project/mentoring ideas 1 3 are the most important to have lined up before March 12 (Friday.) The organization application has some questions that I'd love to have some help thinking about and answering: 1. What criteria did you use to select the individuals who will act as mentors for your organization? Please be as specific as possible. 2. What is your plan for dealing with disappearing students? 3. What is your plan for dealing with disappearing mentors? 4. What steps will you take to encourage students to interact with your project's community before, during and after the program? 5. What will you do to ensure that your accepted students stick with the project after GSoC concludes? 6. What would our organization expect to gain from this experience? As you can see, this would not be a trivial undertaking for the FlightGear project, and it's not something I can carry entirely on my own shoulders. Do we have others in the project that would be willing to volunteer their time and participate in a mentoring and organizational roll? We also need to quickly assemble a list of possible student project ideas ... and these need to be well measured ... like you would measure a pass in soccer/futbol. We want to avoid things that are too hard or too easy. The ball needs to arrive with the correct pace so the student can handle it. We want suggestions that could be attainable by a *student* in the allotted time frame (summer?) and realize that a student may have to spend a good chunk of their time learning about the FlightGear structure before they can advance with their project. I think we should avoid suggesting projects that are in FlightGear's critical path. I.e. add aircraft shadows might be an tempting project to suggest, but is this student level work that could be finished in a summer? Do we want to pin all our hopes for aircraft shadows in FlightGear on a google summer of code student who may bugout mid stream if it starts looking too hard? If it does get too hard, does that student fail or is it us that failed as a mentoring organization? So for project suggestions I think we should focus on projects that have the best chance of teaching student level people, have the best chance of being attainable in a summer of effort, have the best chance of helping a student to gain confidence, knowledge, experience, etc. We should be careful/resistant to suggesting projects that are simply FlightGear feature wishlist items. We should suggest projects that the mentors have some idea of a clear path to a solution (i.e. not so much research into new and unknown things.) I think to be successful, we need to keep our focus on the mentoring aspect of this. The focus is to help bring some of the younger generation up to speed more quickly by sharing our experiences and knowledge. It's something we do already to some extent in a casual context. The google program just makes it official. The mentors commit some time to sharing their experience and knowledge and the students commit to actually listening and respecting what is shared. :-) Those are my thoughts. I can get the ball rolling, but I can't do it all myself. Thanks, Curt. -- Curtis Olson: http://baron.flightgear.org/~curt/ -- Curtis Olson: http://baron.flightgear.org/~curt/ -- Download Intel#174; Parallel Studio Eval Try the new software tools for yourself. Speed compiling, find bugs proactively, and fine-tune applications for parallel performance. See why Intel Parallel Studio got high marks during beta. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-sw-dev___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
[Flightgear-devel] Google Summer of Code
Has/Does FlightGear participate ? http://google-opensource.blogspot.com/2010/03/google-summer-of-code-applications-now.html pete -- Download Intel#174; Parallel Studio Eval Try the new software tools for yourself. Speed compiling, find bugs proactively, and fine-tune applications for parallel performance. See why Intel Parallel Studio got high marks during beta. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-sw-dev ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
[Flightgear-devel] Google Summer of Code -- opportunity for project?
For the last few years, Google has been running a program called the Summer of Code. Many/most of you are probably familiar with it. For those who aren't, it attempts to pair up students with open source projects to mentor that student as they make contributions to the project over the summer. The students receive a stipend for the time spent working on the open source project. An FAQ about the program can be found at: http://code.google.com/soc/2008/faqs.html Early on in that FAQ, you can follow links to past years' lists of open source projects that have mentored a student/students, and received contributions as a result. Given that we have plenty of hard problems to work on, in areas that students might find interesting and applicable to future work, I would guess that FG could really benefit from involvement in GSOC. Thoughts? The period for mentoring organizations to apply is March 3 through March 12. -c -- Chris Metzler [EMAIL PROTECTED] (remove snip-me. to email) As a child I understood how to give; I have forgotten this grace since I have become civilized. - Chief Luther Standing Bear signature.asc Description: PGP signature - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse012070mrt/direct/01/___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
