Re: [Flightgear-devel] Next release. Any timetable?
Heiko Schulz wrote: I mean not to stop the work on OSG - far from it! But if we want FlightGear and OSG to get better we need users - and we get them only with a next release. With OSG in the state it's in, we can't go testing it on the users. If we did, we won't *have* any users before too long! The currently version is a good one with very few bugs. There are much improvements done since april. For me important: framerates are stable, the helicopter fdm is more realistic than MSFS's, nice route manager (could be the cutting edge for a FMS)- every day I'm flying with FG I got more fun. I would vote for a next release - a pre-OSG release! ;-) Agreed, a release of all the things that are working, but for now at least, no OSG. I don't know what Curt uses as a metric for deciding if a new release should happen, but the time delay between the current 'stable' and the previous one was about two years - too long I'm sure. People out there start assuming that a project is *dead* if it doesn't release new versions within living memory! Having said that, getting a release together is hard work for the team. It shouldn't be done unless there's a good reason. Steve - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Next release. Any timetable?
Le jeudi 9 novembre 2006 15:21, Steve Hosgood a écrit : Agreed, a release of all the things that are working, but for now at least, no OSG. I don't know what Curt uses as a metric for deciding if a new release should happen, but the time delay between the current 'stable' and the previous one was about two years - too long I'm sure. People out there start assuming that a project is *dead* if it doesn't release new versions within living memory! just update the update date on the web site show people that project is not dead. and write it a little big strongly :-) -- Didier Fabert [EMAIL PROTECTED] KFreeFlight project : A FlightGear GUI-Frontend designed for KDE users http://kfreeflight.sourceforge.net - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Next release. Any timetable?
On 11/9/06, Steve Hosgood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't know what Curt uses as a metric for deciding if a new releaseshould happen, but the time delay between the current 'stable' and theprevious one was about two years - too long I'm sure. v0.9.10 was released in April. We have long since abandoned the even/stable odd/devel release approach. 0.8.x is long forgotten and really was never supported beyond a couple fixes people back patched into it early in it's existence. Just to make it clear to everyone. Right now I am struggling with a couple critical dead lines at work. The pressure is on me for my day job, and I'm screwing my schedule and deadlines right now by just taking the time to reply to this message. But, it's seems like for pretty much this entire year, the pressure at my day job never lets off, so I have to take a breather once in a while even if it provokes my bosses to scream at me even louder. So combine that with a wife, 2 kids, and needing to spend some time with them so they don't forget what I look like, and it becomes a real struggle to stay on top of life. Sometimes I feel a bit like this poor guy: http://www.mypartypost.com/watchvideo/907/Commercial-Budweiser_(Referee)So please, if people want to panic because we haven't had a recent release, I'm sorry. If people want to panic because OSG has broken a few things temporarily, I'm sorry. If I'm behind on my email, I'm sorry! FlightGear is in large part an engineering simulator and needs to track the best technology of today to stay current and stay useful. But there are a lot of competing needs and goals within this project. There will always be competing ideas and needs, there will always be tension and debate and friction. But that is good, that is how we get stronger and better. If there was zero friction, zero competing ideas, zero debate about anything, we'd probably be going no where useful. It's just important to remember to be patient and civil and recognize that a healthy debate is a good thing. Different ideas and different goals and different directions are a good thing. It's not always comfortable, but it's a critical element to our successful development. Curt.-- Curtis Olson - University of Minnesota - FlightGear Projecthttp://baron.flightgear.org/~curt/ http://www.humanfirst.umn.edu/http://www.flightgear.orgUnique text: 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Next release. Any timetable?
Hi, Quote Olaf Flebbe: I think too that we have to support the plib branch quite a while. The idea to do the OSG switch in CVS head was that the OSG developers do not have the efforts for porting features from branch back to HEAD. So please work in the pre-OSG branch until the performance issue is solved. But please port changes back to mainline, when ready. IMHO I think users should stick with the branch, until many more issues are solved. That's the point. It will need some time, when the OSG is on the same level like plib. Why wasting time? I mean not to stop the work on OSG - far from it! But if we want FlightGear and OSG to get better we need users - and we get them only with a next release. And we need users because there a lot of things to do - work on the weather as an example, work on the different aircraft fdm's. The currently version is a good one with very few bugs. There are much improvements done since april. For me important: framerates are stable, the helicopter fdm is more realistic than MSFS's, nice route manager (could be the cutting edge for a FMS)- every day I'm flying with FG I got more fun. I would vote for a next release - a pre-OSG release! ;-) Greetz HHS ___ Telefonate ohne weitere Kosten vom PC zum PC: http://messenger.yahoo.de - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Next release. Any timetable?
Hi, not more opinions about this? Maik Hello, is there any planning about the next release? I think we have many improvements in fg-cvs compared to 9.10 that we should at least discuss this topic. What's about to rename the pre-osg-branch to a 9.11-beta branch? I don't know, how the procedure for fg-releases are, but I would vote for this way. If we have osg stable with good performance and with most features working very soon and most aircrafts/scenery working with it, we could discuss than, if we add osg to 9.11. What's your opinion? Best regards, Maik - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Next release. Any timetable?
Hi, Of course - I think we should release a FGFS 9.9.11 - FGFS made a good progress saince the last release. If I read here about the problems with OSG I think we shouldn't wait until it is done. It needs too much time, and if we release to early, there will be a lot of users who are pissed on the bugs. But we need users, when FGFS want to survive. just my two cents HHS --- Maik Justus [EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb: Hi, not more opinions about this? - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel ___ Telefonate ohne weitere Kosten vom PC zum PC: http://messenger.yahoo.de - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Next release. Any timetable?
* Maik Justus -- Wednesday 01 November 2006 14:05: is there any planning about the next release? I think we have many improvements in fg-cvs compared to 9.10 that we should at least discuss this topic. I agree. There are (IIRC): - complete overhaul of the helicopter FDM - air-to-air refueling - dynamic cockpit view - joystick information dialog - new cloneable property browser - new route-manager dialog (or was that in 0.9.10 already? It's so long ...) - gui improvements (especially if we make the pending plib release mandatory) - update of magnetic model - 2D panel improvements (clipping) - nice new sun (that make the ocean look like crap) - a lot of interesting new aircraft (that depend on a new release) - many new helicopter models to be expected :-) - unified weapon trigger functions - new improved fgjs joystick configurator - configurable HUD colors (used in f16-3d) (- an improved HUD instrument, though this is hardly something to tease users) - many bugfixes, as always - many other things that I forgot It will take a while until fgfs/OSG has all features of fgfs/PLIB, and even longer until it does it with the same performance. OSG alone is not a selling point, anyway, as long as it doesn't bring new *visible* improvements. And even less so, if it drops the frame rate to 50%. :-} What's about to rename the pre-osg-branch to a 9.11-beta branch? We don't need to rename the clumsy tag to something else. (PLIB would have been perfectly fine, and easy to remember, but we can live with the ugliness, too. ;-) m. - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Next release. Any timetable?
Melchior FRANZ wrote: It will take a while until fgfs/OSG has all features of fgfs/PLIB, and even longer until it does it with the same performance. [...] We don't need to rename the clumsy tag to something else. (PLIB would have been perfectly fine, and easy to remember, but we can live with the ugliness, too. ;-) I'm glad that the prophet didn't exclude the one and only valid 'taste' on this planet from his speech - so now we can dump that as a whole and talk about the stuff that really matters about a release. I agree with melchior that we've certainly seen several significant features - especially the helicopter FDM - that weigh in for having a release. On the other hand I feel that Curt currently doesn't have the ressources he usually needs to spend for a release - so the whole discussion might be void. Cheers, Martin. -- Unix _IS_ user friendly - it's just selective about who its friends are ! -- - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Next release. Any timetable?
Martin Spott wrote: I agree with melchior that [...] ^ Sorry, Melchior, Martin. -- Unix _IS_ user friendly - it's just selective about who its friends are ! -- - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Next release. Any timetable?
* Martin Spott -- Wednesday 01 November 2006 17:44: Melchior FRANZ wrote: We don't need to rename the clumsy tag to something else. (PLIB would have been perfectly fine, and easy to remember, but we can live with the ugliness, too. ;-) I'm glad that the prophet didn't exclude the one and only valid 'taste' on this planet from his speech You aren't doing any user support on IRC. No wonder that you don't care. You won't have to remember the completely meaningless date in PRE_OSG_PLIB_20061029. I'm just a friend of pragmatism, and not afraid to ask for it. m. :-P -- It's not true that there's no accounting for taste, as long as we are talking about *good* taste. -- Jan TSCHICHOLD - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Next release. Any timetable?
Melchior FRANZ wrote: * Martin Spott -- Wednesday 01 November 2006 17:44: Melchior FRANZ wrote: We don't need to rename the clumsy tag to something else. (PLIB would have been perfectly fine, and easy to remember, but we can live with the ugliness, too. ;-) I'm glad that the prophet didn't exclude the one and only valid 'taste' on this planet from his speech You aren't doing any user support on IRC. No wonder that you don't care. You won't have to remember the completely meaningless date in PRE_OSG_PLIB_20061029. I'm just a friend of pragmatism, and not afraid to ask for it. I agree with you that pragmatism is a really worthy thing but the mentioned case is about a different topic. When you comment on the beauty of whatever object you should not forget about the context. A CVS tag is primarily for development purpose and in this context the value of such a tag lies in its contents and not in beauty. When you get unpolite about the 'ugliness' of a CVS tag then you simply behave like a child whome someone stole its toy, Martin. -- Unix _IS_ user friendly - it's just selective about who its friends are ! -- - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Next release. Any timetable?
Hi, don't forget the improvements in the multiplayer code. Maik Melchior FRANZ schrieb: * Maik Justus -- Wednesday 01 November 2006 14:05: is there any planning about the next release? I think we have many improvements in fg-cvs compared to 9.10 that we should at least discuss this topic. I agree. There are (IIRC): - complete overhaul of the helicopter FDM - air-to-air refueling - dynamic cockpit view - joystick information dialog - new cloneable property browser - new route-manager dialog (or was that in 0.9.10 already? It's so long ...) - gui improvements (especially if we make the pending plib release mandatory) - update of magnetic model - 2D panel improvements (clipping) - nice new sun (that make the ocean look like crap) - a lot of interesting new aircraft (that depend on a new release) - many new helicopter models to be expected :-) - unified weapon trigger functions - new improved fgjs joystick configurator - configurable HUD colors (used in f16-3d) (- an improved HUD instrument, though this is hardly something to tease users) - many bugfixes, as always - many other things that I forgot It will take a while until fgfs/OSG has all features of fgfs/PLIB, and even longer until it does it with the same performance. OSG alone is not a selling point, anyway, as long as it doesn't bring new *visible* improvements. And even less so, if it drops the frame rate to 50%. :-} What's about to rename the pre-osg-branch to a 9.11-beta branch? We don't need to rename the clumsy tag to something else. (PLIB would have been perfectly fine, and easy to remember, but we can live with the ugliness, too. ;-) m. - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Next release. Any timetable?
* Maik Justus -- Wednesday 01 November 2006 18:51: don't forget the improvements in the multiplayer code. Oh, yes. And also ... - many improvements to the traffic manager (probably not a teaser either, as long as the aircraft are hovering 30 m in the air, but it's getting better and better) m. - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Next release. Any timetable?
Maik Justus wrote: don't forget the improvements in the multiplayer code. Oh yes, having different groups from the flying in different environments is really a bit unfortunate. A release might cure this effect - on the other hand this situation already lasted for months, so we might bear with this for some more weeks until the OSG port has catched up, Martin. -- Unix _IS_ user friendly - it's just selective about who its friends are ! -- - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Next release. Any timetable?
Maik Justus schrieb: By the way: Mattias did a great work Sorry, should read Mathias. Maik - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Next release. Any timetable?
On Wednesday 01 November 2006 19:06, Melchior FRANZ wrote: * Maik Justus -- Wednesday 01 November 2006 18:51: don't forget the improvements in the multiplayer code. Oh, yes. And also ... - many improvements to the traffic manager (probably not a teaser either, as long as the aircraft are hovering 30 m in the air, but it's getting better and better) Not sure whether you're referring to the fact that the aircraft seem to be picking-up the additional elevation from the terminal-buildings in their proximity. The good news is that Mathias Frolich suggested a solution for the problem, which seems to be working fairly well. ;-) See some of the screenshots of EHAM, which I posted earlier this week. I'm trying to submit this, and several other improvements after the FSWeekend event this Saturday and Sunday in Lelystad. Cheers, Durk - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Next release. Any timetable?
[traffic manager] * Durk Talsma -- Wednesday 01 November 2006 20:18: On Wednesday 01 November 2006 19:06, Melchior FRANZ wrote: as long as the aircraft are hovering 30 m in the air Not sure whether you're referring to the fact that the aircraft seem to be picking-up the additional elevation from the terminal-buildings in their proximity. Yes, that one. And whey they taxi away, they suddenly jump down to just a few meters above ground (but still too high, I think). Also the missing wheels are a bit weird. Oh, and shadows would be nice ... (I had them added for a short time in my copy, but removed them again.) The good news is that Mathias Frolich suggested a solution for the problem, which seems to be working fairly well. ;-) See some of the screenshots of EHAM, which I posted earlier this week. Ahh. Sounds great! Mind you: if it would really annoy me, then I would just turn the traffic manager off. But it's not that bad. It's fun when you turn around a taxiway corner and almost bump into a 737 that stares at you. And when I come from KHAF with the f4u then I need some easy targets, too ... :-) m. - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Next release. Any timetable?
On Wednesday 01 November 2006 20:28, Melchior FRANZ wrote: [traffic manager] * Durk Talsma -- Wednesday 01 November 2006 20:18: On Wednesday 01 November 2006 19:06, Melchior FRANZ wrote: as long as the aircraft are hovering 30 m in the air Not sure whether you're referring to the fact that the aircraft seem to be picking-up the additional elevation from the terminal-buildings in their proximity. Yes, that one. And whey they taxi away, they suddenly jump down to just a few meters above ground (but still too high, I think). Hmm, seems like the ground offset parameter of the default 737 isn't quite right then. I'm not really using the default anymore, so I never caught that one. I've put it on my todo list. Also the missing wheels are a bit weird. Oh, and shadows would be nice ... (I had them added for a short time in my copy, but removed them again.) Okay, same thing, I guess. The dedicated AI version does have wheels (but those are always extended, which is also not quite realistic. I haven't really looked into the animation details yet. That's one area that needs improving. The good news is that Mathias Frolich suggested a solution for the problem, which seems to be working fairly well. ;-) See some of the screenshots of EHAM, which I posted earlier this week. Ahh. Sounds great! Mind you: if it would really annoy me, then I would just turn the traffic manager off. But it's not that bad. It's fun when you turn around a taxiway corner and almost bump into a 737 that stares at you. And when I come from KHAF with the f4u then I need some easy targets, too ... :-) Hmm, reminds me of the air crash investigation series on NGC. :-) Cheers, Durk - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Next release. Any timetable?
* Durk Talsma -- Wednesday 01 November 2006 20:50: That's one area that needs improving. And here's another: FlightGear just decided to exit for no acceptable reason in the middle of a harmless flight: Failed to find route from waypoint 31 to 124 [...] Program exited with code 01. Is there no way to recover from this? exit() is evil -- it doesn't give me a backtrace. m. - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Next release. Any timetable?
On Wednesday 01 November 2006 21:10, Melchior FRANZ wrote: * Durk Talsma -- Wednesday 01 November 2006 20:50: That's one area that needs improving. And here's another: FlightGear just decided to exit for no acceptable reason in the middle of a harmless flight: Failed to find route from waypoint 31 to 124 [...] Program exited with code 01. Is there no way to recover from this? exit() is evil -- it doesn't give me a backtrace. Yikes! That's not supposed to happen. You can safely comment out the exit(), as FlightGear has a fallback mechanism in case no route is found. This is just a stupid debugging leftover, I'm afraid, that I sometimes use to check whether there are unconnected parts in the ground network. But that was strictly intended for private use. Sorry for the aborted Flight... Cheers, Durk - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Next release. Any timetable?
* Durk Talsma -- Wednesday 01 November 2006 21:46: Yikes! That's not supposed to happen. You can safely comment out the exit(), as FlightGear has a fallback mechanism in case no route is found. That exit() *was* already commented out! (awynet.cxx:381) It must have triggered another exit(). Sorry for the aborted Flight... I'm over it. But I admit that I was quite p*ssed at first. :-} m. - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Next release. Any timetable?
On Wednesday 01 November 2006 21:49, Melchior FRANZ wrote: * Durk Talsma -- Wednesday 01 November 2006 21:46: Yikes! That's not supposed to happen. You can safely comment out the exit(), as FlightGear has a fallback mechanism in case no route is found. That exit() *was* already commented out! (awynet.cxx:381) It must have triggered another exit(). I the exit in question is in groundnetwork.cxx (around line 443, in my local copy. The awynet.cxx code isn't used yet. (FWIW, there's another exit() in groundnet around line 184. That one is to trap a potential internal programming error. Fortunately, this one has never triggered. Therefore, it looks like the safeguarding code can be deactivated) Sorry for the aborted Flight... I'm over it. But I admit that I was quite p*ssed at first. :-} m. Yes, my latest commit was bit rough. I;m sorry about that, but at the time I felt it was important to prioritize fixing a rather bad memory issue. A lot of other stuff has slipped in, which in retrospect wasn't quite ready yet. This not only includes the exits, but also the cerr messages you refer to in your other post, as well as some ground distance checking code, which in my own words can best be described as a mess. I'll do a cleanup round after FSWeekend, and will commit a --hopefully-- much improved patch. Cheers, Durk - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
