Re: [Freedos-user] 1.1 new install, no boot
Hi, On Wed, Sep 3, 2014 at 2:20 PM, Ray Davison ray...@charter.net wrote: Create boot floppy; Bad command or file name - I:\FreeDOS\3rdParty\extract FAT12 System transferred Floppy no-boot. I've not tried this myself. Though I think you can find Extract here: ftp://ftp.winimage.com/extrac21.zip ftp://ftp.sac.sk/pub/sac/utildisk/extrac21.zip I'm not sure why it's being used here. You don't need it to build a floppy image. Are you looking to install some minimal FreeDOS from floppy? Do you need an .img for actual hardware or some kind of VM? There are quite a few (old) floppy .img files online. The problem is that most of them don't have what you want, are hard to modify, don't have sources, too old, too buggy, etc. There's just very little interest in floppy .img files these days. Most people roll their own inside VirtualBox or QEMU or whatever. That's what I did recently (more on this later). But (AFAIK) you can't fit a full FreeDOS BASE on a floppy, it's too big. So you have to pick and choose, be extremely precise about what pieces you need, want, what you're trying to do, etc. In other words, what specifically are you trying to do? What files do you need on there? What machines / environments are you trying to use? There have been two or three people here recently asking about having a floppy to install from, but it's just not obvious (to me) what they intend to do that they can't already do with pre-existing (old) .img files. Wanting latest / greatest and all features under the sun is fine, but it's not realistic. You have to be more specific so we can tell you what's possible, reasonable, etc. -- Want excitement? Manually upgrade your production database. When you want reliability, choose Perforce Perforce version control. Predictably reliable. http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=157508191iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Carbon OS Progress
Hi, I did actually download this but haven't gotten around to trying it yet. I'm not sure what niche this is trying to fill, but I certainly encourage all distro makers. There's just so much stuff out there, it's impossible to target and support it all in a single .iso file. And yes, your .iso is extremely small, so I have no idea how much is in there. Nothing wrong with minimal, but minimal ain't popular! ;-) BTW, I sympathize with trying to grab sources. Stating the obvious, it's more helpful to have them, of course, but collecting and verifying it all is very very tedious. If I can be of any help finding the sources to specific pieces, please email me. I've done some of this myself over the years, so I know how confusing it can be to those who haven't dug through the dark corners of the InnerTubez. On Wed, Sep 3, 2014 at 2:24 PM, Corbin Davenport davenportcor...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks for the mention! I'm releasing a new minor release soon (to prepare for adding a desktop UI), and I'll be sure to include the source code for any FreeDOS parts. On Wed, Sep 03, 2014 at 3:20 PM, Jim Hall jh...@freedos.org wrote: I thought I'd raise awareness, so I just posted a note on the FreeDOS website on the FreeDOS twitter. However, I noticed that the CarbonOS ISO doesn't contain any source code, and I didn't see a link on your download page that offered the source code. https://sourceforge.net/projects/carbon-os/ Note that under the GNU General Public License (GPL), under which the FreeDOS kernel and most FreeDOS utilities are provided, you must provide source code, or offer to provide the source code. The best way to do this is to include the source code on the installation CD itself. You certainly have plenty of room to do so (the ISO is only 2.4MB). Please include source code in your next Alpha release. It would be best to remove the ISOs that do not contain source code https://sourceforge.net/projects/carbon-os/files/ until you can include the source code as required under the GNU GPL. http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-faq.html -- Want excitement? Manually upgrade your production database. When you want reliability, choose Perforce Perforce version control. Predictably reliable. http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=157508191iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] 1.1 new install, no boot
Rugxulo wrote: In other words, what specifically are you trying to do? What files do you need on there? What machines / environments are you trying to use? I use a floppy to boot a machine for maintenance and occasionally to run SYS from. All I need FreeDOS to put on there is KERNEL and COMMAND, I'll take it from there. Ray -- Want excitement? Manually upgrade your production database. When you want reliability, choose Perforce Perforce version control. Predictably reliable. http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=157508191iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Carbon OS Progress
Hello, I've actually managed to grab (most) of the source files for all the components for Carbon OS, and they will be included in the ISO for 0.4.0 Alpha (which will be released tomorrow or the next day). Thankfully someone put a mirror on GitHub of everything the FreeDOS 1.1 disc has, and mine didn't have many programs that weren't included. It definitely took a few hours though! Glad I got all of it though. On Wed, Sep 17, 2014 at 6:40 AM, Rugxulo rugx...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I did actually download this but haven't gotten around to trying it yet. I'm not sure what niche this is trying to fill, but I certainly encourage all distro makers. There's just so much stuff out there, it's impossible to target and support it all in a single .iso file. And yes, your .iso is extremely small, so I have no idea how much is in there. Nothing wrong with minimal, but minimal ain't popular! ;-) BTW, I sympathize with trying to grab sources. Stating the obvious, it's more helpful to have them, of course, but collecting and verifying it all is very very tedious. If I can be of any help finding the sources to specific pieces, please email me. I've done some of this myself over the years, so I know how confusing it can be to those who haven't dug through the dark corners of the InnerTubez. On Wed, Sep 3, 2014 at 2:24 PM, Corbin Davenport davenportcor...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks for the mention! I'm releasing a new minor release soon (to prepare for adding a desktop UI), and I'll be sure to include the source code for any FreeDOS parts. On Wed, Sep 03, 2014 at 3:20 PM, Jim Hall jh...@freedos.org wrote: I thought I'd raise awareness, so I just posted a note on the FreeDOS website on the FreeDOS twitter. However, I noticed that the CarbonOS ISO doesn't contain any source code, and I didn't see a link on your download page that offered the source code. https://sourceforge.net/projects/carbon-os/ Note that under the GNU General Public License (GPL), under which the FreeDOS kernel and most FreeDOS utilities are provided, you must provide source code, or offer to provide the source code. The best way to do this is to include the source code on the installation CD itself. You certainly have plenty of room to do so (the ISO is only 2.4MB). Please include source code in your next Alpha release. It would be best to remove the ISOs that do not contain source code https://sourceforge.net/projects/carbon-os/files/ until you can include the source code as required under the GNU GPL. http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-faq.html -- Want excitement? Manually upgrade your production database. When you want reliability, choose Perforce Perforce version control. Predictably reliable. http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=157508191iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user -- Want excitement? Manually upgrade your production database. When you want reliability, choose Perforce Perforce version control. Predictably reliable. http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=157508191iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] 1.1 new install, no boot
Hi, On Wed, Sep 17, 2014 at 11:25 AM, Ray Davison ray...@charter.net wrote: Rugxulo wrote: In other words, what specifically are you trying to do? What files do you need on there? What machines / environments are you trying to use? I use a floppy to boot a machine for maintenance and occasionally to run SYS from. All I need FreeDOS to put on there is KERNEL and COMMAND, I'll take it from there. So you already have your own FDISK and FORMAT utils? So literally all you need is SYS to make a boot sector? Plus the obligatory kernel (presumably 8086 / FAT32) and shell (LFN-aware? DESCRIPT.ION? XMS swap?)? No memory managers (EMS, XMS, DPMI)? No other drivers (RAM disk, mouse, CD, software cache, networking)? I'm just saying, an ultra minimal boot disk is not very useful to 99% of the world. If you can boot up an emulator (e.g. VirtualBox or QEMU) or use similar tools (Mtools on Linux, see Wikipedia), you can roll your own from the FD 1.1 .iso. P.S. I made my own minimal floppy .img recently, but I'm honestly waiting to hear back from Jim Hall whether he thinks it's totally useless or not! My previous mentions of it didn't gather any suggestions or comments, so it's fair to say that most people can handle themselves or are just too busy. Older attempts of mine for making a bootable floppy are somewhat old these days (circa 2008 or 2009), but they're still on my homepage. Are you desperate enough to use an ancient release or must it have whatever is new and latest? -- Want excitement? Manually upgrade your production database. When you want reliability, choose Perforce Perforce version control. Predictably reliable. http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=157508191iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
