Re: [Freedos-user] Can FreeDOS Be Installed On A Logical Slice? The Answer Remains Unknown
Hi Jay! I tried to do the same thing with a logical slice of disk but FreeDOS failed to see it. If it is possible to install FreeDOS onto a logical slice of disk, inside of the extended slice, the technique for doing so is unknown, or, at least, unknown by me. DOS can not be installed on a logical partition, it has to be a primary partition. The problem is that the boot sector of a logical partition contains, as far as I remember, relative instead of absolute position information. So the boot sector code / program will fail to find the DOS kernel if booting from a logical partition. You will either have to use a primary partition, manually mess around with the boot sector without breaking other aspects of it, or use some type of boot manager which can load the kernel in some other way. You could even use a virtual floppy image with the help of GRUB or LILO and MEMDISK, I guess. FreeDOS in general has no problems with C: being a non-primay partition as far as I know, and it supports fdconfig.sys or config.sys pointing to the bulk of the DOS system on other drives than C: However: If you cannot load the kernel, DOS will be a lot less useful and at least your fdconfig.sys and some type of driver which makes it able to access other drives also have to be on a FAT formatted C: drive. In theory, you could load a virtual boot floppy with NTFS drivers, kernel and config sys and then install the rest of FreeDOS even on a NTFS drive, but that would involve significant manual trickery. Long story short, you could try the virtual boot floppy method and I recommend that your DOS drive is FAT, but I think a LOGICAL FAT partition could be good enough AFTER you boot from virtual floppy. Regards, Eric ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Can FreeDOS Be Installed On A Logical Slice? The Answer Remains Unknown
On 7/21/2023 1:51 PM, Jay F. Shachter via Freedos-user wrote: Esteemed Colleagues: A little bit less formal might be more appropriate... slice, Microsoft Windows was still able to boot, and then I recreated the third primary slice, and I installed FreeDOS onto it. I had to change its 8-bit code from 7 to 12; when I left it at 7, FreeDOS refused to install itself there. When I changed it to 12, FreeDOS called it D: and it was then willing to install itself there. Well, you need to know what you are doing at this point. A partion ID of 7 (07h) simple can't work, as that would indicate a NTFS partition, that is a file system that DOS (any DOS) just doesn't know anything about... An ID of 12 (0Ch) indicates a FAT32 partition with LBA addressing, and this is something that FreeDOS indeed is able to understand I tried to do the same thing with a logical slice of disk but FreeDOS failed to see it. If it is possible to install FreeDOS onto a logical slice of disk, inside of the extended slice, the technique for doing so is unknown, or, at least, unknown by me. DOS can not be installed on a logical partition, it has to be a primary partition. Ralf ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
[Freedos-user] Can FreeDOS Be Installed On A Logical Slice? The Answer Remains Unknown
Esteemed Colleagues: I successfully installed FreeDOS onto a primary slice of an MBR-partitioned disk. I was able to do this only because, even though Microsoft Windows had installed itself onto all three primary slices, someone told me that Microsoft Windows did not need the third one, and I took the chance that he was right. I removed the third primary slice, Microsoft Windows was still able to boot, and then I recreated the third primary slice, and I installed FreeDOS onto it. I had to change its 8-bit code from 7 to 12; when I left it at 7, FreeDOS refused to install itself there. When I changed it to 12, FreeDOS called it D: and it was then willing to install itself there. I tried to do the same thing with a logical slice of disk but FreeDOS failed to see it. If it is possible to install FreeDOS onto a logical slice of disk, inside of the extended slice, the technique for doing so is unknown, or, at least, unknown by me. Jay F. Shachter 6424 North Whipple Street Chicago IL 60645-4111 (1-773)7613784 landline (1-410)9964737 GoogleVoice j...@m5.chicago.il.us http://m5.chicago.il.us "I sense much windows in you, Windows leads to bluescreens, Bluescreens leads to crashing, Crashing leads to...Suffering" ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Can FreeDOS Be Installed By Means Of UNIX Commands?
On Sun, 16 Jul 2023 at 15:23, Jay F. Shachter via Freedos-user wrote: > Microsoft Windows is installed on three primary > partitions, because that is what Windows does, and every other > operating system on this computer must find a home for itself within > the logical partitions carved out of the fourth, extended partition. This is not true, and it is incorrect in 2 separate independent ways. [1] Yes, Windows does that by default. However, you don't need to leave it. You need the small reserved/hidden boot partition, and you need the big C: drive system partition. But the 3rd is a rescue/recovery partition. You don't need that at all. Use Ventoy to format a USB key, and download the Windows ISO from Microsoft.com. It's free of charge and if you get it direct from MS you can be fairly confident it's clean and free from malware. Windows 10 and 11 are unrestricted free downloads. For Win7, you need a registration key to download it. Copy the ISO onto your Ventoy key. Now you are good to go. You have a much better, richer, more capable rescue tool and you can delete the rescue partition. Nothing will change and Windows won't even notice. Now you have 2 primary partitions free. [2] The 4-primaries limit only applies to MBR hard disks. This is no help with FreeDOS, but GPT doesn't have that limit and you can have as many primary partitions as you want. There are no "extended" or "secondary" partitions any more. FUD FAQs: * Yes, you can boot a GPT disk in BIOS mode. * No, you do not need UEFI, but your BIOS does need to support it. Most have done for 15-20 years or more. * No, it does not only apply to disks over 2TB; you can partition a 256GB drive with GPT if you want, and I've done it. -- Liam Proven ~ Profile: https://about.me/liamproven Email: lpro...@cix.co.uk ~ gMail/gTalk/FB: lpro...@gmail.com Twitter/LinkedIn: lproven ~ Skype: liamproven IoM: (+44) 7624 277612: UK: (+44) 7939-087884 Czech [+ WhatsApp/Telegram/Signal]: (+420) 702-829-053 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Can FreeDOS Be Installed By Means Of UNIX Commands?
> On Jul 16, 2023, at 10:21 AM, Jay F. Shachter via Freedos-user > wrote: > [..] > If the answer to the first question is Yes, then I can continue this > narrative, otherwise the remainder of this posting is moot. I copied > FD13FULL.img to a USB stick, stuck it into the above-described > computer, and instructed it to boot from the USB device. The > installation procedure scares me. I have already partitioned my disk > and designated in my mind the logical slice onto which I want to > install FreeDOS, but the installation procedure on FD13FULL.img > implies that I must repartition my disk, and I am afraid to proceed, > lest I irretrievably trash my entire computer. First... Never install an OS or update an OS on a machine you are not willing to rebuild from scratch! I doesn’t matter how careful you are. I does not matter how new or great the OS and installer is. Things can go wrong with the best of them and leave your machine broken or not even bootable from the internal drives. Backup! When you boot the from the FreeDOS USB stick, that drive should be seen by the OS as drive C:. The installer then queries FDISK to see if a drive D: is present and readable by FreeDOS. If so, it will use that drive as a target for installation. If not, it will prompt to partition the drive. If the installer is prompting to partition using FDISK, it cannot find a hard drive (other than the USB stick) that is suitable to install FreeDOS. There is an advanced mode for the installer. However, that gets only limited testing. Therefore, I recommend you install FreeDOS in a virtual machine or manually. > [..] > then populating the > newly-created vfat filesystem by means of the cp and unzip commands > (the packages, I noticed -- and there is a huge number of them -- are > zip files, but there are also some files that are fundamental to > system that are already present without having to be unzipped, which I > envision simply copying over). That is not really going to work very well. The zip archives are packages. The contain various directory aliases that get remapped during package installation. While many could just be unzipped and used, others will be in directories different from how they are configured and will not function properly. You have multiple options on how you can proceed. 1) You could run the installer in advanced mode. Based on how your machine is setup, this WILL most likely hose your system anyway. 2) You could install FreeDOS to a virtual machine like VirtualBox or QEMU. 3) You could do a hybrid install into DOSBox. The installer defaults to hybrid on that virtual platform. There are DOCs and Youtube videos on how to do type of install. The benefit is having direct and easy access to the DOS filesystem from the host. There are some drawbacks. It is best suited for developers. 4) Install manually. After setting up a partition and it’s boot sector, I would proceed one of two ways. I would either install FreeDOS into a VM’s hard drive using a flat disk image, then copy the files to the hard disk partition. Or…. copy over the kernel and command. Then unzip the FDNPKG and FDIMPLES packages. If you place their files in the proper directories, adjust the FDNPKG.CFG file and configure a few environment variables, you could then use them to install all the other packages. Jerome ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Can FreeDOS Be Installed By Means Of UNIX Commands?
Jay F. Shachter composed on 2023-07-16 09:21 (UTC-0500): > I have a computer, with an MBR-partitioned disk, that is configured to > perform Legacy boot. Microsoft Windows is installed on three primary > partitions, because that is what Windows does It did that because you didn't take control. It's your computer. If you only give Windows one acceptable option, that's what it will use. So, partition in advance. Following is an example based on one of my older Dell's old HDD: |ID |ux|Type, description|Format |Related |VolumeLabel|OS2-LVM/LABEL|Size MiB | +--[/dev/sda MBR disk 1]++---[Toshiba DT01ACA1]+-+ |01 | |FreeSpace Wasted |-- -- --|-- -- --|- - - - - -| | 1.0| |01*| 1|Prim 0b FAT32|FAT32 |FRDOS5.1|P01ST10C |To10P01 WINBOOT | 400.0| |02*| 2|Prim bb AcrHidden|FAT32 |DFSe11.x|SS10P02DOS |To10P02DOSBOOT | 509.0| |03>| 3|Prim 83 LinuxNatv|EXT2|GRUB|03realboot |To10P03 realboot | 400.0| |04 | 5|Log 82 SunS/SWAP|SWAP|LinuxV1 |SWAPSPACE2 |To10P05 swapper | 4102.0| |05*| 6|Log 07 Inst-FSys|NTFS|Win NT |P06ST10D |To10P06 WinXP| 6401.0| |06 | 7|Log 07 DfsNoWarn|- |unknown | |To10P07 Win8 | 48000.0| |07*| 8|Log 83 LinuxNatv|EXT4|GRUB|08s151 |To10P08 suse 151 | 1.0| |08*| 9|Log 83 LinuxNatv|EXT4|GRUB|09s423 |To10P09 suse 423 | 1.0| Given the above, Windows will use the 48000 MiB space to install 7, 8 or 10, though you may find it carves that space into two, depending on which Windows version, and how you answer its questions. > and every other > operating system on this computer must find a home for itself within > the logical partitions carved out of the fourth, extended partition. Start over the right way, and "all" won't have to. Logicals are perfectly usable by Linux and Windows both. Once they've booted, nothing that counts knows which kind of partitions the filesystems live on. -- Evolution as taught in public schools is, like religion, based on faith, not based on science. Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Can FreeDOS Be Installed By Means Of UNIX Commands?
Hi,
On at 2023-07-16 09:21 -0500, Jay F. Shachter via Freedos-user wrote:
Esteemed Colleagues:
I have a computer, with an MBR-partitioned disk, that is configured to
perform Legacy boot. Microsoft Windows is installed on three primary
partitions, because that is what Windows does, and every other
operating system on this computer must find a home for itself within
the logical partitions carved out of the fourth, extended partition.
I want to install FreeDOS on a logical partition. So my first
question is: Does FreeDOS even support this? Many operating systems
do not, and only support installation on primary partitions, and on
GPT-partitioned disks.
The FreeDOS kernel expects its FDCONFIG.SYS ("altconfig", the preferred
alternative) or CONFIG.SYS ("oldconfig", the old fallback) on whatever
file system it detects as the C: drive. Technically, this is the *only*
file you need on what is detected as drive C:, as you can use lines like
"device=f:\..." and "shell=f:\command.com /p:f:\fdauto.bat" to make use
of a different drive for other things. (Some DOS programs may expect to
use drive C: regardless, so watch out.)
(Using the kernel command line extension I added [1] to the kernel in
2022, you can specify different CONFIG/ALTCONFIG/OLDCONFIG pathnames to
try a file on a different drive than drive C:, but the only ways to pass
a kernel command line are currently to boot into my debugger (lDebug
[2], with a small L) and use it to load the kernel; or to pack the
kernel executable into my iniload + fdkernpl stages then boot it as
Multiboot1 or Multiboot2 specification kernel from GRUB which allows to
pass along a command line as well. I can give more detailed instructions
on those if you want.)
The kernel will detect drive C: based on which partitions are primary
and logical. If you have only a single HDD, then probably the first
visible primary FAT FS partition gets to be drive C: (regardless the
actual placement on the hard disk; only the position in the partition
tables should matter).
The kernel is loaded in its entirety by the boot sector loader, or
whatever is fulfilling its role. That means the kernel itself doesn't
need to know what drive/partition it was loaded from. Technically, the
loader will pass along the boot sector with a BPB/EBPB of what partition
it loaded from, but the kernel does not (yet) make any use of it. (Not
true if you replace the FreeDOS kernel file by my debugger executable,
lDebug does make use of this info.) This includes that it does not use
it for the determination of what drive gets to be drive C:.
As for the boot sector loader, FreeDOS's originals should be able to
load from a logical partition if you correctly set up the hidden sectors
field (should give LBA sector number of the boot sector itself in the
total disk unit, not uninitialised and not counting within the extended
partition) and possibly the two CHS geometry fields (if the sector will
use CHS access to load the kernel). All you need to do then is to
instruct your prior loader to chainload the boot sector loader, either
from a dump file or from the actual boot sector of the logical partition.
(In my ldosboot repo [3] I provide alternative loaders which can with
some degree of success auto-detect the hidden sectors and CHS geometry.
However, not all of these features are available in combination with the
FreeDOS load protocol because of how much code it requires. But you
could instead use the lDOS boot loaders to load lDebug, then use lDebug
to load the FreeDOS kernel.)
To install the proper superblock values into a boot sector dump file, or
inversely install the proper boot loader into the actual sector while
leaving intact the superblock values (called the BPB or EBPB), you can
use a DOS tool like my instsect (a build is included in lDebug packages)
or the kernel's SYS utility (comes with kernel builds). SYS will
obviously default to install the loader corresponding to its kernel;
instsect has default loaders built-in but you can specify a file to read
the loader from instead. (Do not try lDebug's instsect's default
built-in loader with the unmodified FreeDOS kernel -- it will fail to
load it, even if you change the filenames to match. This is because
these loaders load using the lDOS load protocol rather than the FreeDOS
one.)
SYS can write the resulting sector to a drive or to a dump file,
likewise instsect. What I think is a feature unique to instsect is to
operate on a partition image that appears to DOS as a file, rather than
a drive, both for reading the superblock values as well as installing
the resulting sector. However, both programs are DOS programs, so you
need some sort of DOS running on the system or with access to the drive
(image) that you want to install to.
The core feature of SYS and instsect is not super difficult to replicate
using dd. You just need to copy over the (E)BPB of the superblock to
combine it with the
Re: [Freedos-user] Can FreeDOS Be Installed By Means Of UNIX Commands?
G'day, Jay: Microsoft Windows is installed on three primary partitions, because that is what Windows does, and every other operating system on this computer must find a home for itself within the logical partitions carved out of the fourth, extended partition. Ugh! The installation procedure scares me. Back up! "Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum videtur" Not profound, just pompous! -- members.iinet.net.au/~kilgallin/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
[Freedos-user] Can FreeDOS Be Installed By Means Of UNIX Commands?
Esteemed Colleagues: I have a computer, with an MBR-partitioned disk, that is configured to perform Legacy boot. Microsoft Windows is installed on three primary partitions, because that is what Windows does, and every other operating system on this computer must find a home for itself within the logical partitions carved out of the fourth, extended partition. I want to install FreeDOS on a logical partition. So my first question is: Does FreeDOS even support this? Many operating systems do not, and only support installation on primary partitions, and on GPT-partitioned disks. If the answer to the first question is Yes, then I can continue this narrative, otherwise the remainder of this posting is moot. I copied FD13FULL.img to a USB stick, stuck it into the above-described computer, and instructed it to boot from the USB device. The installation procedure scares me. I have already partitioned my disk and designated in my mind the logical slice onto which I want to install FreeDOS, but the installation procedure on FD13FULL.img implies that I must repartition my disk, and I am afraid to proceed, lest I irretrievably trash my entire computer. Is it possible to install FreeDOS using UNIX commands, which I know how to control? I envision doing a "mkfs -t vfat" on the logical slice of disk on which I want to install the system, mounting the USB stick on some arbitrary directory, and then populating the newly-created vfat filesystem by means of the cp and unzip commands (the packages, I noticed -- and there is a huge number of them -- are zip files, but there are also some files that are fundamental to system that are already present without having to be unzipped, which I envision simply copying over). And then finally I envision using the dd command in some way to populate the first block of the vfat filesystem with a bootloader, so that GRUB can boot FreeDOS with something along the lines of "chainloader (hd0,msdos11)+1". Or perhaps a bootloader is unnecessary, perhaps GRUB can be given the name of the FreeDOS kernel and boot directly into it without having to use the chainloader command. Is this possible? If a FreeDOS system is populated in this way, will the kernel be able to boot and then figure out how big the disk is and all the other things that will be different than they were in FD13FULL.img? If not, is there anyone reading this who is willing to gently and patiently walk me thru the native install procedure and assure me that it will not trash my hard drive? As always, thank you in advance for any and all replies. Jay F. Shachter 6424 North Whipple Street Chicago IL 60645-4111 (1-773)7613784 landline (1-410)9964737 GoogleVoice j...@m5.chicago.il.us http://m5.chicago.il.us "Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum videtur" ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] can FreeDOS do anything to make up for Virtualbox and VMWare's lack of decent support for DOS sound?
Just pick yourself up an old free computer locally. I can confirm that I have been able to get freeDOS up and running PERFECTLY on a Pentium 3. I am about to permanently install it on a either a Pentium D or just a Pentium 4. :) On Sep 22 2019, at 7:13 am, Random Liegh via Freedos-user wrote: > > On 9/19/2019 9:03 AM, Jim Hall wrote: > > On Thu, Sep 19, 2019 at 7:41 AM wrote: > > > Asking the question a different way. > > > > > > Is there another virtual app (alternatives to Virtualbox or VMWare) that > > > does a much better job supporting DOS hardware which I can install > > > FreeDOS onto? > > > That's probably the ultimate solution for those of us not installing > > > FreeDOS on actual hardware, which is a constantly growing base and if not > > > the majority yet, will be soon. > > > The solutions like DOSBox and 86Box are self-contained virtual > > > hardware/OS solutions but was hoping for an improvement over Virtualbox > > > or VMWare I can install FreeDOS onto. > > > Steve > > Hi Steve > > Yes, installing FreeDOS on a PC emulator or virtual machine is a very > > common way to run FreeDOS. Which PC emulator to run is likely going to > > be down to personal preference and whatever platform you are running. > > We link to several PC emulators / virtual machines from the FreeDOS > > Links page: > > https://www.freedos.org/links/ > > > > > > VirtualBox > > http://www.virtualbox.org/ > > > > QEMU > > http://www.qemu-project.org/ > > > > GNOME Boxes (only for Linux with GNOME desktop; uses QEMU as a back-end) > > https://wiki.gnome.org/Apps/Boxes > > > > PCem > > http://pcem-emulator.co.uk/ > > > > 86Box > > https://github.com/86Box/86Box > > > > DOSEMU2 (only for Linux) > > https://github.com/stsp/dosemu2 > > > > > > Or if you want to run FreeDOS in a web browser: jslinux (javascript) > > https://bellard.org/jslinux/vm.html?url=https://bellard.org/jslinux/freedos.cfg=64=1=720=400 > > > > > > If you're asking for my personal preference: I used to run VirtualBox > > until a few years ago, then I switched to QEMU. I run Fedora Linux > > with the GNOME desktop, and QEMU works very well there. But QEMU has a > > lot of command line options - you "build" your virtual machine by > > assembling different options for the network card, C: drive, CDROM, > > etc. So the command line can get long. I wrote an article about it > > here: > > https://opensource.com/article/17/10/run-dos-applications-linux > > > > > > Jim > > > > ___ > > Freedos-user mailing list > > Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user > > > > For folks who don't mind living on the bleeding edge, 86Box provides > test builds at http://ci.86box.net/job/86Box-Optimized ...those are > builds optimized for most modern cpus, grouped by generation (core2, > nehalem, sandybridge, etc). > > > > ___ > Freedos-user mailing list > Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user > ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] can FreeDOS do anything to make up for Virtualbox and VMWare's lack of decent support for DOS sound?
On 9/19/2019 9:03 AM, Jim Hall wrote: On Thu, Sep 19, 2019 at 7:41 AM wrote: Asking the question a different way. Is there another virtual app (alternatives to Virtualbox or VMWare) that does a much better job supporting DOS hardware which I can install FreeDOS onto? That's probably the ultimate solution for those of us not installing FreeDOS on actual hardware, which is a constantly growing base and if not the majority yet, will be soon. The solutions like DOSBox and 86Box are self-contained virtual hardware/OS solutions but was hoping for an improvement over Virtualbox or VMWare I can install FreeDOS onto. Steve Hi Steve Yes, installing FreeDOS on a PC emulator or virtual machine is a very common way to run FreeDOS. Which PC emulator to run is likely going to be down to personal preference and whatever platform you are running. We link to several PC emulators / virtual machines from the FreeDOS Links page: https://www.freedos.org/links/ VirtualBox http://www.virtualbox.org/ QEMU http://www.qemu-project.org/ GNOME Boxes (only for Linux with GNOME desktop; uses QEMU as a back-end) https://wiki.gnome.org/Apps/Boxes PCem http://pcem-emulator.co.uk/ 86Box https://github.com/86Box/86Box DOSEMU2 (only for Linux) https://github.com/stsp/dosemu2 Or if you want to run FreeDOS in a web browser: jslinux (javascript) https://bellard.org/jslinux/vm.html?url=https://bellard.org/jslinux/freedos.cfg=64=1=720=400 If you're asking for my personal preference: I used to run VirtualBox until a few years ago, then I switched to QEMU. I run Fedora Linux with the GNOME desktop, and QEMU works very well there. But QEMU has a lot of command line options - you "build" your virtual machine by assembling different options for the network card, C: drive, CDROM, etc. So the command line can get long. I wrote an article about it here: https://opensource.com/article/17/10/run-dos-applications-linux Jim ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user For folks who don't mind living on the bleeding edge, 86Box provides test builds at http://ci.86box.net/job/86Box-Optimized ...those are builds optimized for most modern cpus, grouped by generation (core2, nehalem, sandybridge, etc). ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] can FreeDOS do anything to make up for Virtualbox and VMWare's lack of decent support for DOS sound?
That is very cool and I saw the instructions so I'll give it a shot. I was really hoping for a virtualizer that acts like a '90s PC and looks like I found it. Should be a lot of fun. On 2019-09-20 07:46, geneb wrote: > On Thu, 19 Sep 2019, st...@vwebr.net wrote: > >> Not making any assumptions at all, and frankly it sounds interesting. >> >> Merely trying to understand what it is in comparison to Virtualbox and >> VMWare, or DOSBox. >> >> If it's a virtual machine app meant to install an OS into like the first >> two, then of course I'm very interested. > Yes. That's exactly how it works - it's designed to be a PC emulator that > goes beyond what VirtualBox and VMWare can provide. It'll even emulate a > number of specialty cards like SCSI controllers. > > g. > > -- > Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 > http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. > http://www.diy-cockpits.org/coll - Go Collimated or Go Home. > Some people collect things for a hobby. Geeks collect hobbies. > > ScarletDME - The red hot Data Management Environment > A Multi-Value database for the masses, not the classes. > http://scarlet.deltasoft.com - Get it _today_! > > ___ > Freedos-user mailing list > Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] can FreeDOS do anything to make up for Virtualbox and VMWare's lack of decent support for DOS sound?
On Thu, 19 Sep 2019, st...@vwebr.net wrote: Not making any assumptions at all, and frankly it sounds interesting. Merely trying to understand what it is in comparison to Virtualbox and VMWare, or DOSBox. If it's a virtual machine app meant to install an OS into like the first two, then of course I'm very interested. Yes. That's exactly how it works - it's designed to be a PC emulator that goes beyond what VirtualBox and VMWare can provide. It'll even emulate a number of specialty cards like SCSI controllers. g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. http://www.diy-cockpits.org/coll - Go Collimated or Go Home. Some people collect things for a hobby. Geeks collect hobbies. ScarletDME - The red hot Data Management Environment A Multi-Value database for the masses, not the classes. http://scarlet.deltasoft.com - Get it _today_! ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] can FreeDOS do anything to make up for Virtualbox and VMWare's lack of decent support for DOS sound?
Its github page says it's a hypervisor, and in the context of your question as to whether it supports booting an arbitrary OS it doesn't make much of a difference, but, from what I can see it's more of an emulator than a hypervisor. However, for the typical FreeDOS use case, an emulator is indeed a better fit than a hypervisor. The difference is that an emulator simulates the operation of the whole machine in software, whereas "hypervisor" or "virtual machine" usually implies that as much as possible of the code of the guest OS and its applications is run directly by the CPU of the host system as possible, with emulation only happening where necessary to prevent the guest OS from inadvertently or deliberately interfering with the host OS. For the user, the difference is that hypervisors generally have the goal of using spare resources on the host machine to create a new computer similar to the host out of thin air without having to buy a new computer, while emulators generally have the goal of running software that won't generally run well, or at all, on the host, often in cases where the guest architecture is obsolete and working hardware is difficult or impossible to find. This isn't a hard and fast distinction, though: platforms like QEMU will make use of a hypervisor when running code for the host processor, but when running code for a different architecture will run it under full emulation. Some processor architectures (quite a few in the past, not so many now) don't allow every instruction that could interfere with the host OS to be trapped, in which case a hypervisor in the strict sense is impossible and emulation is required even for use cases that would generally use a hypervisor. Also, the term "virtual machine", usually reserved for cases where the guest system is running on top of a hypervisor, is also quite frequently used for emulators that emulate a computer architecture for which no hardware implementations exist or ever intended to exist (such as that used by the Java language), which is a significant use of the term in a context fairly far from that in which it is usually employed. Original message From: st...@vwebr.net Date: 9/19/2019 22:39 (GMT-06:00) To: "Discussion and general questions about FreeDOS." Subject: Re: [Freedos-user] can FreeDOS do anything to make up for Virtualbox and VMWare's lack of decent support for DOS sound? Please ignore my last. I see that it's a hypervisor, which should do what I need. I almost thought it was too much like DOSBox which is its own OS and I was trying to stay away from that. Nothing against DOSBox, it has its place and is best in what it does. On 2019-09-19 21:22, st...@vwebr.net wrote: Not making any assumptions at all, and frankly it sounds interesting. Merely trying to understand what it is in comparison to Virtualbox and VMWare, or DOSBox. If it's a virtual machine app meant to install an OS into like the first two, then of course I'm very interested. On 2019-09-19 09:30, geneb wrote: On Thu, 19 Sep 2019, st...@vwebr.net wrote: Asking the question a different way. Is there another virtual app (alternatives to Virtualbox or VMWare) that does a much better job supporting DOS hardware which I can install FreeDOS onto? That's what 86Box does - it supports a huge range of hardware. You need to actually use it before assuming it won't meet your needs. g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. http://www.diy-cockpits.org/coll - Go Collimated or Go Home. Some people collect things for a hobby. Geeks collect hobbies. ScarletDME - The red hot Data Management Environment A Multi-Value database for the masses, not the classes. http://scarlet.deltasoft.com - Get it _today_! ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] can FreeDOS do anything to make up for Virtualbox and VMWare's lack of decent support for DOS sound?
Please ignore my last. I see that it's a hypervisor, which should do what I need. I almost thought it was too much like DOSBox which is its own OS and I was trying to stay away from that. Nothing against DOSBox, it has its place and is best in what it does. On 2019-09-19 21:22, st...@vwebr.net wrote: > Not making any assumptions at all, and frankly it sounds interesting. > > Merely trying to understand what it is in comparison to Virtualbox and > VMWare, or DOSBox. > > If it's a virtual machine app meant to install an OS into like the first two, > then of course I'm very interested. > > On 2019-09-19 09:30, geneb wrote: > On Thu, 19 Sep 2019, st...@vwebr.net wrote: > > Asking the question a different way. > > Is there another virtual app (alternatives to Virtualbox or VMWare) that > does a much better job supporting DOS hardware which I can install > FreeDOS onto? > > That's what 86Box does - it supports a huge range of hardware. You need to > actually use it before assuming it won't meet your needs. > > g. > > -- > Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 > http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. > http://www.diy-cockpits.org/coll - Go Collimated or Go Home. > Some people collect things for a hobby. Geeks collect hobbies. > > ScarletDME - The red hot Data Management Environment > A Multi-Value database for the masses, not the classes. > http://scarlet.deltasoft.com - Get it _today_! > > ___ > Freedos-user mailing list > Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] can FreeDOS do anything to make up for Virtualbox and VMWare's lack of decent support for DOS sound?
Not making any assumptions at all, and frankly it sounds interesting. Merely trying to understand what it is in comparison to Virtualbox and VMWare, or DOSBox. If it's a virtual machine app meant to install an OS into like the first two, then of course I'm very interested. On 2019-09-19 09:30, geneb wrote: > On Thu, 19 Sep 2019, st...@vwebr.net wrote: > >> Asking the question a different way. >> >> Is there another virtual app (alternatives to Virtualbox or VMWare) that >> does a much better job supporting DOS hardware which I can install >> FreeDOS onto? > That's what 86Box does - it supports a huge range of hardware. You need to > actually use it before assuming it won't meet your needs. > > g. > > -- > Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 > http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. > http://www.diy-cockpits.org/coll - Go Collimated or Go Home. > Some people collect things for a hobby. Geeks collect hobbies. > > ScarletDME - The red hot Data Management Environment > A Multi-Value database for the masses, not the classes. > http://scarlet.deltasoft.com - Get it _today_! > > ___ > Freedos-user mailing list > Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] can FreeDOS do anything to make up for Virtualbox and VMWare's lack of decent support for DOS sound?
For those times when VirtualBox doesn't cut it, I use AQEMU, a GUI-based frontend for QEMU. QEMU itself supports SO many options that using it from a command line can be a little daunting; AQEMU's GUI approach makes creating/configuring VMs much more straightforward IMO. Sent with [ProtonMail](https://protonmail.com) Secure Email. ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On Thursday, September 19, 2019 8:39 AM, wrote: > Asking the question a different way. > > Is there another virtual app (alternatives to Virtualbox or VMWare) that does > a much better job supporting DOS hardware which I can install FreeDOS onto? > > That's probably the ultimate solution for those of us not installing FreeDOS > on actual hardware, which is a constantly growing base and if not the > majority yet, will be soon. > > The solutions like DOSBox and 86Box are self-contained virtual hardware/OS > solutions but was hoping for an improvement over Virtualbox or VMWare I can > install FreeDOS onto. > > Steve > > On 2019-09-18 20:22, geneb wrote: > >> On Wed, 18 Sep 2019, Jim Hall wrote: >> >>> On Wed, Sep 18, 2019 at 8:07 AM geneb wrote: >>> I've found that 86Box is probably the best PC emulator out there. It's basically a PC emulated at the hardware level for a number of different motherboard chipsets. It actually uses original BIOS ROMs and even video BIOS ROMs. You can find it here: https://github.com/86Box/86Box It's a fork of PCem and works wonderfully. It will emulate pretty much any CPU between the 8088 and Pentium MMX. >>> >>> Thanks for the link to 86Box. I've added it to our Links page: >>> https://www.freedos.org/links/ >> >> You're welcome! >> >> g. >> >> -- >> Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 >> http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. >> http://www.diy-cockpits.org/coll - Go Collimated or Go Home. >> Some people collect things for a hobby. Geeks collect hobbies. >> >> ScarletDME - The red hot Data Management Environment >> A Multi-Value database for the masses, not the classes. >> http://scarlet.deltasoft.com - Get it _today_! >> >> ___ >> Freedos-user mailing list >> Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] can FreeDOS do anything to make up for Virtualbox and VMWare's lack of decent support for DOS sound?
On Thu, Sep 19, 2019 at 7:41 AM wrote: > > Asking the question a different way. > > Is there another virtual app (alternatives to Virtualbox or VMWare) that does > a much better job supporting DOS hardware which I can install FreeDOS onto? > > That's probably the ultimate solution for those of us not installing FreeDOS > on actual hardware, which is a constantly growing base and if not the > majority yet, will be soon. > > The solutions like DOSBox and 86Box are self-contained virtual hardware/OS > solutions but was hoping for an improvement over Virtualbox or VMWare I can > install FreeDOS onto. > > Steve > Hi Steve Yes, installing FreeDOS on a PC emulator or virtual machine is a very common way to run FreeDOS. Which PC emulator to run is likely going to be down to personal preference and whatever platform you are running. We link to several PC emulators / virtual machines from the FreeDOS Links page: https://www.freedos.org/links/ VirtualBox http://www.virtualbox.org/ QEMU http://www.qemu-project.org/ GNOME Boxes (only for Linux with GNOME desktop; uses QEMU as a back-end) https://wiki.gnome.org/Apps/Boxes PCem http://pcem-emulator.co.uk/ 86Box https://github.com/86Box/86Box DOSEMU2 (only for Linux) https://github.com/stsp/dosemu2 Or if you want to run FreeDOS in a web browser: jslinux (javascript) https://bellard.org/jslinux/vm.html?url=https://bellard.org/jslinux/freedos.cfg=64=1=720=400 If you're asking for my personal preference: I used to run VirtualBox until a few years ago, then I switched to QEMU. I run Fedora Linux with the GNOME desktop, and QEMU works very well there. But QEMU has a lot of command line options - you "build" your virtual machine by assembling different options for the network card, C: drive, CDROM, etc. So the command line can get long. I wrote an article about it here: https://opensource.com/article/17/10/run-dos-applications-linux Jim ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] can FreeDOS do anything to make up for Virtualbox and VMWare's lack of decent support for DOS sound?
On Thu, 19 Sep 2019, st...@vwebr.net wrote: Asking the question a different way. Is there another virtual app (alternatives to Virtualbox or VMWare) that does a much better job supporting DOS hardware which I can install FreeDOS onto? That's what 86Box does - it supports a huge range of hardware. You need to actually use it before assuming it won't meet your needs. g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. http://www.diy-cockpits.org/coll - Go Collimated or Go Home. Some people collect things for a hobby. Geeks collect hobbies. ScarletDME - The red hot Data Management Environment A Multi-Value database for the masses, not the classes. http://scarlet.deltasoft.com - Get it _today_! ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] can FreeDOS do anything to make up for Virtualbox and VMWare's lack of decent support for DOS sound?
Asking the question a different way. Is there another virtual app (alternatives to Virtualbox or VMWare) that does a much better job supporting DOS hardware which I can install FreeDOS onto? That's probably the ultimate solution for those of us not installing FreeDOS on actual hardware, which is a constantly growing base and if not the majority yet, will be soon. The solutions like DOSBox and 86Box are self-contained virtual hardware/OS solutions but was hoping for an improvement over Virtualbox or VMWare I can install FreeDOS onto. Steve On 2019-09-18 20:22, geneb wrote: > On Wed, 18 Sep 2019, Jim Hall wrote: > > On Wed, Sep 18, 2019 at 8:07 AM geneb wrote: > > I've found that 86Box is probably the best PC emulator out there. It's > basically a PC emulated at the hardware level for a number of different > motherboard chipsets. It actually uses original BIOS ROMs and even video > BIOS ROMs. You can find it here: https://github.com/86Box/86Box It's a > fork of PCem and works wonderfully. It will emulate pretty much any CPU > between the 8088 and Pentium MMX. > > Thanks for the link to 86Box. I've added it to our Links page: > https://www.freedos.org/links/ You're welcome! g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. http://www.diy-cockpits.org/coll - Go Collimated or Go Home. Some people collect things for a hobby. Geeks collect hobbies. ScarletDME - The red hot Data Management Environment A Multi-Value database for the masses, not the classes. http://scarlet.deltasoft.com - Get it _today_! ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] can FreeDOS do anything to make up for Virtualbox and VMWare's lack of decent support for DOS sound?
On Wed, 18 Sep 2019, Jim Hall wrote: On Wed, Sep 18, 2019 at 8:07 AM geneb wrote: I've found that 86Box is probably the best PC emulator out there. It's basically a PC emulated at the hardware level for a number of different motherboard chipsets. It actually uses original BIOS ROMs and even video BIOS ROMs. You can find it here: https://github.com/86Box/86Box It's a fork of PCem and works wonderfully. It will emulate pretty much any CPU between the 8088 and Pentium MMX. Thanks for the link to 86Box. I've added it to our Links page: https://www.freedos.org/links/ You're welcome! g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. http://www.diy-cockpits.org/coll - Go Collimated or Go Home. Some people collect things for a hobby. Geeks collect hobbies. ScarletDME - The red hot Data Management Environment A Multi-Value database for the masses, not the classes. http://scarlet.deltasoft.com - Get it _today_! ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] can FreeDOS do anything to make up for Virtualbox and VMWare's lack of decent support for DOS sound?
On Wed, Sep 18, 2019 at 8:07 AM geneb wrote: > I've found that 86Box is probably the best PC emulator out there. It's > basically a PC emulated at the hardware level for a number of different > motherboard chipsets. It actually uses original BIOS ROMs and even video > BIOS ROMs. You can find it here: https://github.com/86Box/86Box It's a > fork of PCem and works wonderfully. It will emulate pretty much any CPU > between the 8088 and Pentium MMX. > > Thanks for the link to 86Box. I've added it to our Links page: https://www.freedos.org/links/ Jim ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] can FreeDOS do anything to make up for Virtualbox and VMWare's lack of decent support for DOS sound?
On Tue, 17 Sep 2019, Jon Brase wrote: On Mon, 16 Sep 2019 17:18:18 -0600 st...@vwebr.net wrote: This is kind of a sore point when using Windows-based virtualization apps. Virtualbox (and I believe VMWare) support SoundBlaster 16, but only to a certain extent (as in later versions of Windows). I've found that 86Box is probably the best PC emulator out there. It's basically a PC emulated at the hardware level for a number of different motherboard chipsets. It actually uses original BIOS ROMs and even video BIOS ROMs. You can find it here: https://github.com/86Box/86Box It's a fork of PCem and works wonderfully. It will emulate pretty much any CPU between the 8088 and Pentium MMX. g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. http://www.diy-cockpits.org/coll - Go Collimated or Go Home. Some people collect things for a hobby. Geeks collect hobbies. ScarletDME - The red hot Data Management Environment A Multi-Value database for the masses, not the classes. http://scarlet.deltasoft.com - Get it _today_! ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] can FreeDOS do anything to make up for Virtualbox and VMWare's lack of decent support for DOS sound?
Hi Jon, some extra details: There was a VBE sound BIOS extension, but basically nobody used it, in any case no games I know. And there was a project to create a virtual soundblaster, which is mirrored on https://auersoft.eu/soft/by-others/ but it is more like a draft of implementing some very basic functionality. In the general case, it is a lot better to use dosbox or dosemu which specifically have "simulate a soundblaster and output the sound using the drivers of the host operating system" as features while also simulating other DOS friendly hardware and adding a lot of DOS related extras which generic virtual PC type software would not offer. As far as I remember, VSB uses built-in protected mode code to trap soundblaster I/O, making it incompatible to protected mode / DOS extenders / EMM386, but it could be modified to use EMM386-provided I/O trapping. Which in turn is not yet supported by the EMM386 in FreeDOS. Regards, Eric ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] can FreeDOS do anything to make up for Virtualbox and VMWare's lack of decent support for DOS sound?
On Mon, 16 Sep 2019 17:18:18 -0600 st...@vwebr.net wrote: > This is kind of a sore point when using Windows-based virtualization > apps. > > Virtualbox (and I believe VMWare) support SoundBlaster 16, but only to a > certain extent (as in later versions of Windows). > > They don't support DOS sound, period. > > One of the things I noticed with DOS games is that I/O ports are not > supported (e.g. A220 and P330) by Virtualbox or VMWare's implementation. > > > Because I remembered that BIOS extensions are something that were used > many years ago to adapt machines BIOS that (for instance) didn't support > larger sized HDDs, I'm wondering if the same sort of thing can be done > to implement a much more accurate version of a SoundBlaster ISA card > which > allows DOS games to fully recognize an improved virtualized ISA sound > card and make use of it. > > I know that DOSBox is able to achieve sound for DOS games, so it seems > like something not too difficult unless the virtual app would block it > from working. Well, the thing is, DOSBox isn't just a DOS implementation, like FreeDOS is. It's a DOS implementation plus a layer similar to VMWare or VirtualBox that emulates the hardware. It also has a narrower focus for the kinds of applications it tries to run well: It's focused on games, which made significant use of sound hardware. Since DOSBox is not just a DOS implementation, but also a hardware emulator, it knows that it's running on top of another OS, so it can just use the OS's sound API as a back end and let the OS and drivers take care of turning that into actual sound coming out of the speakers. FreeDOS either isn't running on top of another OS (on bare metal) or doesn't know that it is (under emulation or virtualization), so it, or a driver that it loads, has to talk directly to the hardware. For FreeDOS to emulate SoundBlaster sound, it would have to trap all accesses to the soundblaster hardware (probably easy enough for an EMM to do, if you have a 386 or better), and then it would have to translate the attempted soundblaster accesses into some standardized representation of the sound to be produced, and hand that off to a driver written for the sound hardware actually installed on the machine. Windows and Linux have huge collections of drivers already in existence, and MacOS runs on only one manufacturer's hardware, but FreeDOS would have to start from scratch. > I figured the easiest path would be something like what DOSBox uses, > except implemented in FreeDOS but a BIOS 'extension' is another avenue. > > I guess a BIOS extension would depend on having access to the code for > SeaBIOS or whatever Oracle or VMWare uses to virtualize hardware. A BIOS extension wouldn't help, because BIOS had no sound API. The PC architecture had no standardized on-motherboard sound beyond the PC speaker in the DOS era: everything was through expansion cards, and DOS didn't have a standardized sound API either. The closest thing to a standardized sound API was the fact that SoundBlaster had a fairly dominant market share, so if your software could talk to a SoundBlaster card, it would work on a good chunk of PCs. But it's the fact that applications had to talk to the hardware directly, without using the BIOS or DOS, that makes audio back-compatibility with DOS so difficult. ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
[Freedos-user] can FreeDOS do anything to make up for Virtualbox and VMWare's lack of decent support for DOS sound?
This is kind of a sore point when using Windows-based virtualization apps. Virtualbox (and I believe VMWare) support SoundBlaster 16, but only to a certain extent (as in later versions of Windows). They don't support DOS sound, period. One of the things I noticed with DOS games is that I/O ports are not supported (e.g. A220 and P330) by Virtualbox or VMWare's implementation. Because I remembered that BIOS extensions are something that were used many years ago to adapt machines BIOS that (for instance) didn't support larger sized HDDs, I'm wondering if the same sort of thing can be done to implement a much more accurate version of a SoundBlaster ISA card which allows DOS games to fully recognize an improved virtualized ISA sound card and make use of it. I know that DOSBox is able to achieve sound for DOS games, so it seems like something not too difficult unless the virtual app would block it from working. I figured the easiest path would be something like what DOSBox uses, except implemented in FreeDOS but a BIOS 'extension' is another avenue. I guess a BIOS extension would depend on having access to the code for SeaBIOS or whatever Oracle or VMWare uses to virtualize hardware. Steve___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] can freedos?
Freedos will work well on 64bit cpu. Just kernel will have its 16/32 bit memory limits though. -- -chris Computer Consultant Repair Tech Digitalatoll Solutions Group (Tawhaki Software) http://digitalatoll.com/ http://tawhakisoft.com/ Cell: 916-612-6904 Digitalatoll Social Network http://digitalatoll.com/web/social_net/ Webpage, Email, Cloud FTP Hosting, Custom programming, Computer Repair, Network security and monitoring, Media Conversion, Data Recovery On Sep 22, 2014 3:24 PM, Karen Lewellen klewel...@shellworld.net wrote: Mercy the things that come across my desk...even if I am not seeking them. a question only. I have no idea why the person is asking. Will freedos run on a 64 bit machine? Thanks, Kare -- Meet PCI DSS 3.0 Compliance Requirements with EventLog Analyzer Achieve PCI DSS 3.0 Compliant Status with Out-of-the-box PCI DSS Reports Are you Audit-Ready for PCI DSS 3.0 Compliance? Download White paper Comply to PCI DSS 3.0 Requirement 10 and 11.5 with EventLog Analyzer http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=154622311iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user -- Meet PCI DSS 3.0 Compliance Requirements with EventLog Analyzer Achieve PCI DSS 3.0 Compliant Status with Out-of-the-box PCI DSS Reports Are you Audit-Ready for PCI DSS 3.0 Compliance? Download White paper Comply to PCI DSS 3.0 Requirement 10 and 11.5 with EventLog Analyzer http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=154622311iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
[Freedos-user] can freedos?
Mercy the things that come across my desk...even if I am not seeking them. a question only. I have no idea why the person is asking. Will freedos run on a 64 bit machine? Thanks, Kare -- Meet PCI DSS 3.0 Compliance Requirements with EventLog Analyzer Achieve PCI DSS 3.0 Compliant Status with Out-of-the-box PCI DSS Reports Are you Audit-Ready for PCI DSS 3.0 Compliance? Download White paper Comply to PCI DSS 3.0 Requirement 10 and 11.5 with EventLog Analyzer http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=154622311iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] can freedos?
Yes. On Mon, Sep 22, 2014 at 6:23 PM, Karen Lewellen klewel...@shellworld.net wrote: Mercy the things that come across my desk...even if I am not seeking them. a question only. I have no idea why the person is asking. Will freedos run on a 64 bit machine? Thanks, Kare -- Meet PCI DSS 3.0 Compliance Requirements with EventLog Analyzer Achieve PCI DSS 3.0 Compliant Status with Out-of-the-box PCI DSS Reports Are you Audit-Ready for PCI DSS 3.0 Compliance? Download White paper Comply to PCI DSS 3.0 Requirement 10 and 11.5 with EventLog Analyzer http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=154622311iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user -- Meet PCI DSS 3.0 Compliance Requirements with EventLog Analyzer Achieve PCI DSS 3.0 Compliant Status with Out-of-the-box PCI DSS Reports Are you Audit-Ready for PCI DSS 3.0 Compliance? Download White paper Comply to PCI DSS 3.0 Requirement 10 and 11.5 with EventLog Analyzer http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=154622311iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] can freedos?
On 9/22/2014 3:23 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote: Mercy the things that come across my desk...even if I am not seeking them. a question only. I have no idea why the person is asking. Will freedos run on a 64 bit machine? Yes, of course. Unless you are referring with 64 bit machine to an Intel Itanium based machine, all other Intel and AMD chips are still able to happily run 16 bit code... Ralf --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com -- Meet PCI DSS 3.0 Compliance Requirements with EventLog Analyzer Achieve PCI DSS 3.0 Compliant Status with Out-of-the-box PCI DSS Reports Are you Audit-Ready for PCI DSS 3.0 Compliance? Download White paper Comply to PCI DSS 3.0 Requirement 10 and 11.5 with EventLog Analyzer http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=154622311iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] can freedos?
Short answer is yes. Longer answer is that you won't be able to take advantage of anything 64bit on the machine. FreeDOS is still DOS, so it runs as a 16bit process. Be careful if you machine has EFI, instead of BIOS. FreeDOS requires BIOS. Otherwise, you are better off running FreeDOS in a virtual machine. Jim On Monday, September 22, 2014, Karen Lewellen klewel...@shellworld.net wrote: Mercy the things that come across my desk...even if I am not seeking them. a question only. I have no idea why the person is asking. Will freedos run on a 64 bit machine? Thanks, Kare -- Meet PCI DSS 3.0 Compliance Requirements with EventLog Analyzer Achieve PCI DSS 3.0 Compliant Status with Out-of-the-box PCI DSS Reports Are you Audit-Ready for PCI DSS 3.0 Compliance? Download White paper Comply to PCI DSS 3.0 Requirement 10 and 11.5 with EventLog Analyzer http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=154622311iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] can freedos access a floppy disk image
On Wed, 21 May 2008, Robert Riebisch wrote: RR Bonnie Dalzell wrote: RR RR Can freedos mount this disk image and use it rather than the floppy disk RR in question? RR RR If so, how do you mount the disk image? RR RR There's a third party software called E0X available from RR http://kannegieser.net/veit/programm/index_e.htm, which allows to RR substitute your floppy drive with an image file before starting a RR desired program, e.g., command.com. I never tried it on FreeDOS, but it RR worked fine on MS-DOS for me. Thanks for the tip. The program seems to be in an .arj format. What is .arj and how does one unpack it? RR RR Robert Riebisch RR -- RR BTTR Software RR http://www.bttr-software.de/ RR RR - RR This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft RR Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. RR http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse012070mrt/direct/01/ RR ___ RR Freedos-user mailing list RR Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net RR https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user RR ~~~ Bonnie Dalzell, MA mail:5100 Hydes Rd PO Box 60, Hydes,MD,USA 21082-0060|EMAIL:[EMAIL PROTECTED] freelance anatomist, vertebrate paleontologist, writer, illustrator, dog breeder, computer nerd iconoclast... Borzoi info at www.borzois.com. Editor Net.Pet Online Animal Magazine - http://www.netpetmagazine.com HOME http://www.qis.net/~borzoi/ BUSINESS http://www.batw.com - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse012070mrt/direct/01/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] can freedos access a floppy disk image
On Friday 23 May 2008, Bonnie Dalzell wrote: Thanks for the tip. The program seems to be in an .arj format. What is ..arj and how does one unpack it? Hi, ARJ is a file compression program (it used to be the most well-known archiver in ol' good days...). To unpack it, just go get the unarj program from http://www.arjsoftware.com. bye! Mateusz Viste -- You'll find my public OpenPGP key at http://mateusz.viste.free.fr/pub_key signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse012070mrt/direct/01/___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
[Freedos-user] can freedos access a floppy disk image
I can make a diskimage of a floppy disk in linux with dd Can freedos mount this disk image and use it rather than the floppy disk in question? If so, how do you mount the disk image? ~~~ Bonnie Dalzell, MA mail:5100 Hydes Rd PO Box 60, Hydes,MD,USA 21082-0060|EMAIL:[EMAIL PROTECTED] freelance anatomist, vertebrate paleontologist, writer, illustrator, dog breeder, computer nerd iconoclast... Borzoi info at www.borzois.com. Editor Net.Pet Online Animal Magazine - http://www.netpetmagazine.com HOME http://www.qis.net/~borzoi/ BUSINESS http://www.batw.com - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse012070mrt/direct/01/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] can freedos access a floppy disk image
Hi Bonnie :-) I can make a diskimage of a floppy disk in linux with dd Can freedos mount this disk image and use it rather than the floppy disk in question? If so, how do you mount the disk image? Try using the shsurdrv ramdisk and related tools. To boot from a diskimage, try grub4dos or syslinux' memdisk :-). Most shsu tools should be on the homepage of Jason Hood. I think there was a shsu tool to MOUNT your diskimage as file, but if you have RAM free, it is better to use the shsurdrv which can LOAD the diskimage during driver load. Eric - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse012070mrt/direct/01/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] can freedos access a floppy disk image
Bonnie Dalzell wrote: Can freedos mount this disk image and use it rather than the floppy disk in question? If so, how do you mount the disk image? There's a third party software called E0X available from http://kannegieser.net/veit/programm/index_e.htm, which allows to substitute your floppy drive with an image file before starting a desired program, e.g., command.com. I never tried it on FreeDOS, but it worked fine on MS-DOS for me. Robert Riebisch -- BTTR Software http://www.bttr-software.de/ - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse012070mrt/direct/01/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
