Re: [FRIAM] [EXTERNAL] Please sign this thing! Eliminate the bi-annual time change caused by Daylight Savings Time
I have heard a proposal for doing smaller adjustments more often - but why not take that to the logical extreme and do it continuously? Most people use some form or other of computer to tell time nowadays anyway, and even physical mechanisms would not be extremely difficult (I think) to redesign to change smoothly throughout the year. -Arlo James Barnes FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com
[FRIAM] Against Kierkegaard (was Re: Google Reader and More: Google Abandoning of Apps/Services)
On 03/14/2013 09:16 PM, Owen Densmore wrote: Er.. IMAP? You have complete control over gmail. I uploaded 20+ years of mail to it over a day or so and have it all cached on my IMAP clients (thunderbird and mail.app) .. yes one needs 1 and I'm positive you have multiple clients. I have to respond to this first and separately because my response is simultaneously ideological and practical! Woohoo! ;-) No, not IMAP. I want my own cloud. The analog from GMail to my own cloud-based e-mail would be more like the combination of DNS failover with a grid of SMTP+dovecot+sparkleshare. Why do I want my own cloud? I don't really have a good answer for that. I just like a) to be able to change things I want changed when I want them changed and b) I like to know what's happening underneath. I don't know how GMail works underneath, but I would like to. But if I were forced to _guess_ why using another company's infrastructure to store my data offends me, I'd probably guess that the trend toward a single identity, single e-mail, use of real names in social nets, single sign-on, etc. ... that general trend indicates that this string ... e.g. g...@ropella.name will eventually _actually_ be my name, my unique ID ... the primary hook by which people communicate with me (or throw me in jail, accuse me of terrorism, ... whatever). And if that's the case, then I want to know what's happening in and around that unique ID... just like I want to understand DNA, or biological mechanisms in the meat-space cloud around me ... like how to maintain healthy living soil in my garden. How can someone ever say they understand their self if they don't really, practically understand the cloud surrounding their self? p.s. Yes, were you so inclined, you might read this as a categorical rejection of the word cloud as business-speak idiocy. 8^) -- glen == Hail Eris! FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com
Re: [FRIAM] Against Kierkegaard (was Re: Google Reader and More: Google Abandoning of Apps/Services)
No, not IMAP. I want my own cloud. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bvKj8lTuVtk inevitably will lead to http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pq3YdpB6N9M FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com
Re: [FRIAM] [EXTERNAL] Please sign this thing! Eliminate the bi-annual time change caused by Daylight Savings Time
I like it! Assuming spherical cows .. i.e. an hour's shift twice a year (although they are not symmetric .. more days of DST than std time) .. we'd shift 60 seconds per 6 months or 10sec/month or roughly .33 sec/day. The asymmetry would make things fairly non-linear, but easily computable and managed by the time servers. Our watches would have to be smart but that's been coming anyway with the iWatch rumored out soon. And making slight adjustments to my fav old time clocks would just be a monthly tweak .. likely the newspapers would keep a daily time column much like the weather. -- Owen On Thu, Mar 14, 2013 at 11:59 PM, Arlo Barnes arlo.bar...@gmail.com wrote: I have heard a proposal for doing smaller adjustments more often - but why not take that to the logical extreme and do it continuously? Most people use some form or other of computer to tell time nowadays anyway, and even physical mechanisms would not be extremely difficult (I think) to redesign to change smoothly throughout the year. -Arlo James Barnes FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com
Re: [FRIAM] Against Kierkegaard (was Re: Google Reader and More: Google Abandoning of Apps/Services)
I love it! I agree this is the limit to which we're headed. I just bought a Synology Network Attached Storage unit: two server grade 2TB disks in RAID configuration. I got it mainly for backup and redundancy but when it came, it mentioned many services it has and shows how to set it up securely for remote access. And it has a surprisingly sophisticated web console and with a 5Gb wifi Airport extreme does backups in reasonable time. It also comes with the Transmission torrent engine. And yes an IMAP server too. Its early days, but I wouldn't be surprised if critters like this replace your basic home servers. -- Owen On Fri, Mar 15, 2013 at 7:38 AM, glen ropella g...@ropella.name wrote: On 03/14/2013 09:16 PM, Owen Densmore wrote: Er.. IMAP? You have complete control over gmail. I uploaded 20+ years of mail to it over a day or so and have it all cached on my IMAP clients (thunderbird and mail.app) .. yes one needs 1 and I'm positive you have multiple clients. I have to respond to this first and separately because my response is simultaneously ideological and practical! Woohoo! ;-) No, not IMAP. I want my own cloud. The analog from GMail to my own cloud-based e-mail would be more like the combination of DNS failover with a grid of SMTP+dovecot+sparkleshare. Why do I want my own cloud? I don't really have a good answer for that. I just like a) to be able to change things I want changed when I want them changed and b) I like to know what's happening underneath. I don't know how GMail works underneath, but I would like to. But if I were forced to _guess_ why using another company's infrastructure to store my data offends me, I'd probably guess that the trend toward a single identity, single e-mail, use of real names in social nets, single sign-on, etc. ... that general trend indicates that this string ... e.g. g...@ropella.name will eventually _actually_ be my name, my unique ID ... the primary hook by which people communicate with me (or throw me in jail, accuse me of terrorism, ... whatever). And if that's the case, then I want to know what's happening in and around that unique ID... just like I want to understand DNA, or biological mechanisms in the meat-space cloud around me ... like how to maintain healthy living soil in my garden. How can someone ever say they understand their self if they don't really, practically understand the cloud surrounding their self? p.s. Yes, were you so inclined, you might read this as a categorical rejection of the word cloud as business-speak idiocy. 8^) -- glen == Hail Eris! FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com
Re: [FRIAM] Against Kierkegaard (was Re: Google Reader and More: Google Abandoning of Apps/Services)
Glen wrote: ... that general trend indicates that this string ... e.g. "g...@ropella.name" will eventually _actually_ be my name, my unique ID ... the primary hook by which people communicate with me (or throw me in jail, accuse me of terrorism, ... whatever). This sounds like a theme from a Max Barry Novel Jennifer Government How can someone ever say they understand their self if they don't really, practically understand the cloud surrounding their self? \ Using your own reference, that sounds like asking if C. Elegans can understand itself. I suppose one can say that this IS what life is, the perpetual search for "self" through perception of the environment. "We" are whatever is left after we percieve and discount everything else? This is perhaps why I prefer to consider my "Digital Ecology" as a "Digital Swamp" the first supposes that we somehow *can* understand it in a scientific sense while the latter acknowledges that at best we can obtain an elaborate *working knowledge* but never an explanatory knowledge really. Carry On, - Steve FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com
Re: [FRIAM] [EXTERNAL] Please sign this thing! Eliminate the bi-annual time change caused by Daylight Savings Time
There was a time when every village had their clock tower in the square and they set it as the town elders saw fit and adjusted it similarly. No NNTP, no WWV Radio, only the (constantly shifting around) Sun, Moon, Stars. You wanna know what time it is? Look out the window toward the square... then came rail and telegraph and ... I say just shoot your alarm (and... ... ... ) I have heard a proposal for doing smaller adjustments more often - but why not take that to the logical extreme and do it continuously? Most people use some form or other of computer to tell time nowadays anyway, and even physical mechanisms would not be extremely difficult (I think) to redesign to change smoothly throughout the year. -Arlo James Barnes FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com
Re: [FRIAM] Google Reader and More: Google Abandoning of Apps/Services
REC - Most excellent... thanks! I think progress itself is highly over-rated or at least mis-apprehended. It isn't necessarily what we think it is! - SAS Funny. Going back to Hamming's lectures, again, in one of the early ones he lays out the case that scientific knowledge is growing exponentially, that most scientific researchers who ever lived are alive now, and that keeping current is a very awkward problem both personally and institutionally. It was true in the 50's when they made up the argument at Bell Labs, it was truer in the 90's when Hamming was giving the lectures, and it's still truer now. I started ignorant, I'm getting exponentially more ignorant all the time, and I'm never going to the reverse the trend -- now, go back to work and do something really smart. So, Google the search is an attempt to ameliorate this problem: if you can guess what the answer is called, then maybe Google can find it for you, and maybe you can figure out if it's really what you wanted. And Google the company is a place founded on the same principle: its projects and knowledge grow exponentially, no one person can ever know what it's doing, all they can do is occasionally kill some of it off to make some empty space for the rest of it to grow into. So, why is progress supposed to make sense? -- rec -- On Thu, Mar 14, 2013 at 9:50 PM, Steve Smith sasm...@swcp.com mailto:sasm...@swcp.com wrote: Glen - I appreciate your analysis here at several levels (assuming I actually sorted it correctly), it is nicely dense and layered, appropriate for my particular palate at least. I'm very interested in the desire to and the frustration surrounding _not_ being able to figure Google out. It *is* entertaining. I can certainly see it from a single tightly focused quantifiable predictibility measure ... like whether to buy a company's stock. Obviously (to me?) Owen's (and the others discussing such things) stake is not whether to buy GOOG but rather whether to invest one's personal/professional energy and attention in learning/using/integrating their tools into one's workflow (or Digital Ecology as Owen is wont to say). But without that tight use case, and with a large multi-national beast with layers of varying liability, impact, presentation, etc., they strike me as complex beasts. Each aspect from which you measure them will present different, perhaps even incommensurate results. Absolutely... and secondarily to considering Google and how/when/if/why you might integrate their products/systems into your workflow/ecology, there is the more speculative questions of what would I develop if I were GOOG or since I am not GOOG but the ARE the 800lb gorilla, where do the tools I might develop fit into whatever oddly shaped phase-space is left after GOOG takes theirs? I know this was the case while I was working for Lockheed Martin. It was especially vivid to me since I was on loan to Vought systems at an old air base working on aircraft avionics, on loan from the missiles division, which recently bought Vought and which had been recently bought by Loral, which was soon to be bought by Lockheed Martin. I could no more imagine figuring Lockheed Martin out than I could imagine figuring out C. Elegans. This is a moderately apt analogy. My daughter (PhD microbiology living in your neck of the woods... Portland/OHSU) were just using C. Elegans as an example in another discussion over the weekend. In this case, C. Elegans relative simplicity and ancient roots are roughly opposite Google's complexity and very recent roots. Despite the gray hair contributed by Andy Bechtolsheim, their *intellectual* roots are pretty shallow compared to say... Lockheed or Martin (both established 1912?). On the other hand, GOOG *is* highly studied by many, though arguably maybe less than AAPL or the ancient IBM. Because of this, it strikes me that what you're expressing is some sort of deep seated pattern recognition bias towards centralized planning. You're looking for a homunculus inside a machine. I'm not quite clear on this point. It sounds as if you are identifying corporations such as LockMart and Google as being more like evolved organisms than machines? And that leads me to my fundamental gripe with web services. The whole point of the open source movement was to put upstream causal power into the hands of more people, to make the producer-consumer relationship more symmetric. In web services, it seems like we, as consumers, _still_ want asymmetric producer-consumer relationships. This fits my biases as well... but apparently in a different way. There are many services I am happy (smug) to provide for myself (heat and water) and/or at least lust after
Re: [FRIAM] Google Reader and More: Google Abandoning of Apps/Services
Steve Smith wrote at 03/14/2013 08:50 PM: Obviously (to me?) Owen's (and the others discussing such things) stake is not whether to buy GOOG but rather whether to invest one's personal/professional energy and attention in learning/using/integrating their tools into one's workflow (or Digital Ecology as Owen is wont to say). Yeah, I get that. And I suppose there's a lot of inter-individual variability as to how much variability (or uncertainty) each individual sees (expects) in their tools ecology. I think it was RA Wilson who claimed that all it took was 20 years to turn a liberal into a conservative. Perhaps it's natural that, as we grow older, we want a more stable tools ecology? But, in general, I reject that. I think it's mostly a matter of focus. When I'm tightly focused on a single objective, interference like a broken tool really frustrates me. But being mostly a simulant, my focus goes tight-loose-tight-loose all day long every day. So, perhaps it's my domain that prevents me from becoming frustrated at the ability to predict the stability of my tools ecology. Absolutely... and secondarily to considering Google and how/when/if/why you might integrate their products/systems into your workflow/ecology, there is the more speculative questions of what would I develop if I were GOOG or since I am not GOOG but the ARE the 800lb gorilla, where do the tools I might develop fit into whatever oddly shaped phase-space is left after GOOG takes theirs? This is also a good point. I'm privileged that my produce tends to be stand-alone. I'm not usually coerced into negotiating a large, highly connected tools ecology, and finding a reliable place to plug in my products. But that's partly because I force those around me to think in terms of stand-alone produce (hence my fascination with closure). It makes me a less desirable contractor to some because they've committed to an ecology that I readily criticize. In this case, C. Elegans relative simplicity and ancient roots are roughly opposite Google's complexity and very recent roots. I'm not convinced that the worm is relatively simple compared to Google. The closure between layers for Google seems pretty clear: machines vs. humans vs. corporate structures. While it's true that there is some fuzziness between the layers, it's nothing like the fuzziness between, say, the neuronal network and the vasculature in the worm. But, to some extent, the higher level of modularity in a system like Google does make it more logically deep. It's difficult to poke your leads into the Googlebots to find out why they behave the way they do. So, I could say that while the complexity of the worm and Google are probably ontologically similar, the apparent complexity of the two will be quite stark depending on how they're measured. gepr said: Because of this, it strikes me that what you're expressing is some sort of deep seated pattern recognition bias towards centralized planning. You're looking for a homunculus inside a machine. I'm not quite clear on this point. It sounds as if you are identifying corporations such as LockMart and Google as being more like evolved organisms than machines? Sorry. I'm asserting that organisms like Owen are pattern recognizing machines evolved to find patterns (even when there are none). I speak reflectively, here. I'm arguably the most biased pattern recognizer I know, despite my Devil's Advocacy of arbitrary decision making within Google. I find patterns everywhere, which is why I'm a fan of conspiracy theories. This fits my biases as well... but apparently in a different way. There are many services I am happy (smug) to provide for myself (heat and water) and/or at least lust after being able to provide for myself (electricity). There are others I suppose I am happy to defer to the cloud. While I *likely* am able to rebuild my starter motor or alternator, I probably wouldn't be able to fabricate a good enough bearing or brushes to do the rebuild and therefore depend on the cloud including AC/Delco and many other industrials of that ilk to supply me with such things. I definitely am happy that we have a Michelin and Yokohama in the cloud, I can't imagine making tyres that would be useful to me. Having a public/common Internet or even a private/common telecomm or private electrical grid (cloud) are almost required... I'm still holding out for a fully distributed mesh network to grow together from it's many tiny patches (see the recent posting on Mesh networks here) or a fully distributed electrical grid (home/neighborhood solar/wind/???) but there are good (non political, non-social) reasons that we didn't get broadly scalable infrastructure until it came from one or a small handful of entities (public or private), behaving in a paternalistic way for the most part. Yeah, you took that in a different direction, which is why I have to quote it whole. My focus is on the
Re: [FRIAM] Google Reader and More: Google Abandoning of Apps/Services
Glen - I think it was RA Wilson who claimed that all it took was 20 years to turn a liberal into a conservative. Oddly, I spent about 15 years turning from a raging Conservative into a Progressive (if not precisely Liberal). The next 15 seem to be sending me off toward the Anarchist (Anachronist?) horizon. Perhaps it's natural that, as we grow older, we want a more stable tools ecology? There does seem to be a positive correlation there in general. But, in general, I reject that. I think it's mostly a matter of focus. When I'm tightly focused on a single objective, interference like a broken tool really frustrates me. Yes and no. When I'm tightly focused, the most frustrating thing is anything *unexpected* such at I'd rather wield a familiar but sub-optimal (possibly broken) tool than a new shiny one that I'm not familiar with. I feel that my peers (many right here on this list) would *always* rather have a shiny new tool straight from the store (or the magical commons where all free things come from?) even if they have to spend hours/days/weeks figuring out how to operate it properly. But being mostly a simulant, my focus goes tight-loose-tight-loose all day long every day. So, perhaps it's my domain that prevents me from becoming frustrated at the ability to predict the stability of my tools ecology. You use Simulant in the same way Blade Runner has Replicants... is Simulant actually the preferred Subject in such a sentence? It sounds more like the Object? As if you are a simulated construct or the subject of a modeling-simulation project! Perhaps we all are? In this case, C. Elegans relative simplicity and ancient roots are roughly opposite Google's complexity and very recent roots. I'm not convinced that the worm is relatively simple compared to Google. I may have mis-stated my comparison. C. Elegans compared to the rest of biology and Google compared to the rest of the high-tech and corporate ecology. The closure between layers for Google seems pretty clear: machines vs. humans vs. corporate structures. While it's true that there is some fuzziness between the layers, it's nothing like the fuzziness between, say, the neuronal network and the vasculature in the worm. yes. So, I could say that while the complexity of the worm and Google are probably ontologically similar, the apparent complexity of the two will be quite stark depending on how they're measured. Agreed. I think my quibble (which went sideways anyway) had more to do with Ontogeny than Ontology. gepr said: Because of this, it strikes me that what you're expressing is some sort of deep seated pattern recognition bias towards centralized planning. You're looking for a homunculus inside a machine. I'm not quite clear on this point. It sounds as if you are identifying corporations such as LockMart and Google as being more like evolved organisms than machines? Sorry. I'm asserting that organisms like Owen are pattern recognizing machines evolved to find patterns (even when there are none). I speak reflectively, here. I'm arguably the most biased pattern recognizer I know, despite my Devil's Advocacy of arbitrary decision making within Google. I find patterns everywhere, which is why I'm a fan of conspiracy theories. Got it. And as a sidenote, I transcended Conspiracy Theories early on, filling the same niche with conspiracy theories *about* Conspiracy Theories. There is an Occam/anti-Occam arguement that suggests that all first-order conspiracy theories are way too pat and *have to be* some sort of conspiracy of their own. It is a slippery slope into the mouth of a vortex I fear... stay far back from the edge lest you be lost forever. To me, there's only one reason for frustration and that is when I hit a blockage I don't want (or didn't expect) to hit. I wouldn't care if my home-made tires didn't work as well as tight tolerance, robot made tires. I still might make and use them. But I _would_ care if I couldn't find out how those robot made tires are made, even if just to satisfy my curiosity as to whether or not I should buy/steal my own robot ... or perhaps to be able to parse the gobbledygook coming out of the mouth of a professed tire robot maker. Got it. I share that. It's the lack of access that frustrates me, not the lack of any particular extant structure. Hence, i don't care if Google Reader exists. But I do care if I can't (pretend to) figure out how it works. Your days must just be filled! I share the sentiment but guess I gave over a few years (decades now?) back on this... following RECs recent reference to Hamming and complexity and ignorance, it *feels* like the (science/techno) universe has been growing more complex superlinearly (I'm not ready to say geometric nor exponential) but I'm pretty sure that much of that experience is my (recognized) ignorance growing superlinearly. When we first learned to control fire, we noticed
Re: [FRIAM] Against Kierkegaard (was Re: Google Reader and More: Google Abandoning of Apps/Services)
Steve Smith wrote at 03/15/2013 09:47 AM: OK Glen... Looks like you've been called out, now we want to see YOUR version of this classic! Well, I don't know anything about classics, per se. But here's the distinction I'd make. The vector should be: from this -- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QC9SKjdoTXg to this -- http://youtu.be/BqzizzNkv-s -- == glen e. p. ropella This body of mine, man I don't wanna be destroyed FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com
Re: [FRIAM] [EXTERNAL] Please sign this thing! Eliminate the bi-annual time change caused by Daylight Savings Time
But is the time change even needed? What purpose does it really serve? There are lots of stories about it rooted in wartime/economy etc. But these things do not seem to be valid anymore. And are they worth the collective cost? I have to say I prefer light later in the day though. --joshua On Mar 14, 2013, at 11:59 PM, Arlo Barnes arlo.bar...@gmail.com wrote: I have heard a proposal for doing smaller adjustments more often - but why not take that to the logical extreme and do it continuously? Most people use some form or other of computer to tell time nowadays anyway, and even physical mechanisms would not be extremely difficult (I think) to redesign to change smoothly throughout the year. -Arlo James Barnes FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com
[FRIAM] Dennis Miller
Glen - IMO the very best rants do end in a [sigh]. As with Dennis Miller back in the day when he started with Don't let me get off on a rant here and ended with Of course, that's just my opinion, I could be wrong. OT: I used to love Dennis Miller. I'm not sure what happened, but all of a sudden, he started sounding like a right-wing wacko to me. Yes.. me too... and In response to my own response I went and found some of his (more) recent rants and while they do have some lacing of this, he is entirely recognizable. http://www.igorn.com/dmiller.htm Listening (reading) to him rip GW and his cronies (even though he apparently loathed the Clintons as well) felt like his old familiar self. I knew he'd started up with the Fox channel which is a pretty strong indicator in itself, but when I saw it was in the context of Hannity and then O'Reilly I gave up on even the thought that he hadn't turned into Mel Gibson (what happened to *him*?) I see some references to him apparently pissing Hannity and O'Reilly off somewhere along the way, but he wouldn't be Dennis if he wasn't doing that. I did a quick scan of some of what has been written on him by former Colleagues (.e.g. Al Franken..) and other critical sources such as Slate.com and I no longer am asking what happened to him? but rather recognizing that perhaps he hasn't changed, that watershed issues (such as the Iraq War and the WOT) are what divide us. My wife and I (and she is a cynic with no bounds who used to love him and now hates him) discussed this a bit and she still hates him even though she got very nostalgic reading some of the rants above. His PodCast exposes what sounds like a somewhat tired version of Dennis in the 90's... go figure, it is nigh on20 years later and I suspect he's off the Cocaine. I'll just put Everybody Wants to Rule the World on repeat and fall into a memoizetic reverie. - Steve FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com
Re: [FRIAM] [EXTERNAL] Please sign this thing! Eliminate the bi-annual time change caused by Daylight Savings Time
I heard somewhere that it is a plot by the fast food industry. Apparently fast food sales go up dramatically after daylight saving time comes on. (!?) N -Original Message- From: Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of Joshua Thorp Sent: Friday, March 15, 2013 11:34 AM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: Re: [FRIAM] [EXTERNAL] Please sign this thing! Eliminate the bi-annual time change caused by Daylight Savings Time But is the time change even needed? What purpose does it really serve? There are lots of stories about it rooted in wartime/economy etc. But these things do not seem to be valid anymore. And are they worth the collective cost? I have to say I prefer light later in the day though. --joshua On Mar 14, 2013, at 11:59 PM, Arlo Barnes arlo.bar...@gmail.com wrote: I have heard a proposal for doing smaller adjustments more often - but why not take that to the logical extreme and do it continuously? Most people use some form or other of computer to tell time nowadays anyway, and even physical mechanisms would not be extremely difficult (I think) to redesign to change smoothly throughout the year. -Arlo James Barnes FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com
Re: [FRIAM] Against Kierkegaard (was Re: Google Reader and More: Google Abandoning of Apps/Services)
OK Glen... Looks like you've been called out, now we want to see YOUR version of this classic! Well, I don't know anything about classics, per se. But here's the distinction I'd make. The vector should be: from this -- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QC9SKjdoTXg to this -- http://youtu.be/BqzizzNkv-s OK... you got me good. Despite feeling RickRolled (on the first one anyway), I get your point (though Leigh's reference between the 60's concept of being on a cloud and Owen's of being in the cloud *was* apt)... this seems yet more. Of course, this all just has me feeling *yet more* like a dementia-ed schizophrenic whose meds got replaced by psychadelic mushrooms... In particular the background image of the second video and lines like When Atoms Roar and All their Lust shall Build a World. In fact, the world we are building with our Digital Ecologies is apparently as attractive as the Sixties tune in, turn on, drop out psychadelia and I fear no more satisfying in the long run (All their Lust shall Build a World). I'll see your Kingdom Come and raise you a Bag of Groceries http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RJRR3Ltm_sw. I shall procrastinate no more forever, - Steve FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com
Re: [FRIAM] Google Reader and More: Google Abandoning of Apps/Services
What blows my mind is the apparent lack of movement in the # of people who _think_ they understand what's going on around them. I had that conversation with Nick awhile back. He keeps asking about postmodernism and my answer to him was that postmodernists are simply people who admit they have no idea what's going on ... well, authentic postmodernists, anyway. You always get posers in any domain. Modernists are people who think there is, should be, or have a plan. I look around me every day and see all these people who think there's a plan ... some rock solid ... True(tm) ... perspective from which you can grok the world. If I've learned anything over the past decades, it's that a) there is no plan or b) if there is a plan, I'm too dense to understand it. And the more my tools ecology grows, the denser I feel. I'll never be liquid or gaseous again like I was in my youth ... unless maybe dementia sets upon me like a heat bath. Roger Critchlow wrote at 03/14/2013 09:57 PM: Funny. Going back to Hamming's lectures, again, in one of the early ones he lays out the case that scientific knowledge is growing exponentially, that most scientific researchers who ever lived are alive now, and that keeping current is a very awkward problem both personally and institutionally. It was true in the 50's when they made up the argument at Bell Labs, it was truer in the 90's when Hamming was giving the lectures, and it's still truer now. I started ignorant, I'm getting exponentially more ignorant all the time, and I'm never going to the reverse the trend -- now, go back to work and do something really smart. So, Google the search is an attempt to ameliorate this problem: if you can guess what the answer is called, then maybe Google can find it for you, and maybe you can figure out if it's really what you wanted. And Google the company is a place founded on the same principle: its projects and knowledge grow exponentially, no one person can ever know what it's doing, all they can do is occasionally kill some of it off to make some empty space for the rest of it to grow into. So, why is progress supposed to make sense? -- glen e. p. ropella, 971-255-2847, http://tempusdictum.com One of the symptoms of an approaching nervous breakdown is the belief that one's work is terribly important. -- Bertrand Russell FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com
Re: [FRIAM] [EXTERNAL] Please sign this thing! Eliminate the bi-annual time change caused by Daylight Savings Time
I heard somewhere that it is a plot by the fast food industry. Apparently fast food sales go up dramatically after daylight saving time comes on. (!?) N I'm amazed when restaurants don't extend their closing by an hour when DST comes around... as if people's hunger clocks can be adjusted as easily as their wall clocks can. Often restaurants which closed much too early already are are closed before dark or even sundown! Not very civilized. And about as enlightened as Google letting Doug buy an Android and then wondering why the blogosphere just lit up like a fission reaction... Didn't Sergey and Larry even TALK to Admiral Nanos before doing such a rash thing? If your preferred eating place is closed when you are ready to eat, the McD drive in is too easy perhaps? Also, while the original concept was to *reduce* energy consumption, I think the contemporary experience is that shifting people's work schedules deeper into the morning gives them more evening time to frolic which in today's culture often means consume! As much as I want to ignore the clock and tell everyone else to ignore the clock (and shoot it if they have the ammo for it), I get snookered by it too. Everyone *else's* schedules shift abruptly, the traffic patterns follow the clock (though there is some smear) not the sun, etc. My solar house is a clock (sundial) of sorts. For example, the active roof-air-to-floor exchange should have cut off about 1 hour ago and here it is still chugging away! When it quits I will get up, go do some more chores and try to come back to this infernal machine and get some work done, ignoring the Siren call of FRIAM (and other online distractions). - S -Original Message- From: Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of Joshua Thorp Sent: Friday, March 15, 2013 11:34 AM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: Re: [FRIAM] [EXTERNAL] Please sign this thing! Eliminate the bi-annual time change caused by Daylight Savings Time But is the time change even needed? What purpose does it really serve? There are lots of stories about it rooted in wartime/economy etc. But these things do not seem to be valid anymore. And are they worth the collective cost? I have to say I prefer light later in the day though. --joshua On Mar 14, 2013, at 11:59 PM, Arlo Barnes arlo.bar...@gmail.com wrote: I have heard a proposal for doing smaller adjustments more often - but why not take that to the logical extreme and do it continuously? Most people use some form or other of computer to tell time nowadays anyway, and even physical mechanisms would not be extremely difficult (I think) to redesign to change smoothly throughout the year. -Arlo James Barnes FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com
Re: [FRIAM] Google Reader and More: Google Abandoning of Apps/Services
Slam Dunk! Maybe dementia is just part of the annealing schedule? Assuming of course there were actually a Plan(tm). What blows my mind is the apparent lack of movement in the # of people who _think_ they understand what's going on around them. I had that conversation with Nick awhile back. He keeps asking about postmodernism and my answer to him was that postmodernists are simply people who admit they have no idea what's going on ... well, authentic postmodernists, anyway. You always get posers in any domain. Modernists are people who think there is, should be, or have a plan. I look around me every day and see all these people who think there's a plan ... some rock solid ... True(tm) ... perspective from which you can grok the world. If I've learned anything over the past decades, it's that a) there is no plan or b) if there is a plan, I'm too dense to understand it. And the more my tools ecology grows, the denser I feel. I'll never be liquid or gaseous again like I was in my youth ... unless maybe dementia sets upon me like a heat bath. Roger Critchlow wrote at 03/14/2013 09:57 PM: Funny. Going back to Hamming's lectures, again, in one of the early ones he lays out the case that scientific knowledge is growing exponentially, that most scientific researchers who ever lived are alive now, and that keeping current is a very awkward problem both personally and institutionally. It was true in the 50's when they made up the argument at Bell Labs, it was truer in the 90's when Hamming was giving the lectures, and it's still truer now. I started ignorant, I'm getting exponentially more ignorant all the time, and I'm never going to the reverse the trend -- now, go back to work and do something really smart. So, Google the search is an attempt to ameliorate this problem: if you can guess what the answer is called, then maybe Google can find it for you, and maybe you can figure out if it's really what you wanted. And Google the company is a place founded on the same principle: its projects and knowledge grow exponentially, no one person can ever know what it's doing, all they can do is occasionally kill some of it off to make some empty space for the rest of it to grow into. So, why is progress supposed to make sense? FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com
Re: [FRIAM] [EXTERNAL] Please sign this thing! Eliminate the bi-annual time change caused by Daylight Savings Time
On Fri, Mar 15, 2013 at 11:34 AM, Joshua Thorp jth...@redfish.com wrote: But is the time change even needed? What purpose does it really serve? There are lots of stories about it rooted in wartime/economy etc. But these things do not seem to be valid anymore. And are they worth the collective cost? I have to say I prefer light later in the day though. Agreed. I do like the petition's approach: simply no time shifting during the year. Whether it stays DST all year long (my preference) or standard time is to be decided. -- Owen FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com
Re: [FRIAM] [EXTERNAL] Please sign this thing! Eliminate the bi-annual time change caused by Daylight Savings Time
I like daylight savings. Gives another point of semi-regularity to my year. -tj On Fri, Mar 15, 2013 at 1:38 PM, Owen Densmore o...@backspaces.net wrote: On Fri, Mar 15, 2013 at 11:34 AM, Joshua Thorp jth...@redfish.com wrote: But is the time change even needed? What purpose does it really serve? There are lots of stories about it rooted in wartime/economy etc. But these things do not seem to be valid anymore. And are they worth the collective cost? I have to say I prefer light later in the day though. Agreed. I do like the petition's approach: simply no time shifting during the year. Whether it stays DST all year long (my preference) or standard time is to be decided. -- Owen FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com -- == J. T. Johnson Institute for Analytic Journalism -- Santa Fe, NM USAhttp://www.analyticjournalism.com/ 505.577.6482(c)505.473.9646(h) Twitter: jtjohnson http://www.jtjohnson.com t...@jtjohnson.com == FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com
[FRIAM] A new kind of pfishing?
Can anybody confirm this as a new form of pfishing? I got a call from a number in DC today, somebody with a strong Indian sub-continent accident, telling me that my computer was sending error messages to the network and offering to help me correct them. (I have the number in my phone trap, and would report it if I knew where to report it to.) The next step involved my going on my computer and connect it to them, I assume. These guys were pretty bad at what they were doing,, but I can imagine a more subtle line that I might have fallen for. Does anybody recognize this? N Nicholas S. Thompson Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology Clark University http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/ http://www.cusf.org http://www.cusf.org/ FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com
Re: [FRIAM] [EXTERNAL] Please sign this thing! Eliminate the bi-annual time change caused by Daylight Savings Time
Agreed. I do like the petition's approach: simply no time shifting during the year. Whether it stays DST all year long (my preference) or "standard time" is to be decided. I'm not sure anyone (at our latitude) is going to like *arriving* at work an hour *before* sunrise? Changing clocks is silly, but so is slavishly following the clock when your metabolism and instincts tell you not to. If you like DST, get up earlier during the summer... lobby your favorite coffee house to open an hour earlier in the morning come equinox or so... don't amend the constitution to move the sun in the sky and set the value of Pi to 3 for administrative convenience or whimsy! -- Owen FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com
Re: [FRIAM] [EXTERNAL] Please sign this thing! Eliminate the bi-annual time change caused by Daylight Savings Time
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/4d/Daylight_Saving_Time_3.svg Agreed. I do like the petition's approach: simply no time shifting during the year. Whether it stays DST all year long (my preference) or standard time is to be decided. I'm not sure anyone (at our latitude) is going to like *arriving* at work an hour *before* sunrise? Changing clocks is silly, but so is slavishly following the clock when your metabolism and instincts tell you not to. If you like DST, get up earlier during the summer... lobby your favorite coffee house to open an hour earlier in the morning come equinox or so... don't amend the constitution to move the sun in the sky and set the value of Pi to 3 for administrative convenience or whimsy! -- Owen FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribehttp://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com
Re: [FRIAM] A new kind of pfishing?
I've gotten a few of those over the past few days from similarly accented people trying to tell me that my Windows machine was infected with a virus, but the callers' numbers were blocked. No, I didn't bother to Linuxize them, although that would have been fun. --Doug On Fri, Mar 15, 2013 at 1:55 PM, Nicholas Thompson nickthomp...@earthlink.net wrote: Can anybody confirm this as a new form of pfishing? ** ** I got a call from a number in DC today, somebody with a strong Indian sub-continent accident, telling me that my computer was sending error messages to the network and offering to help me correct them. (I have the number in my phone trap, and would report it if I knew where to report it to.) The next step involved my going on my computer and connect it to them, I assume. These guys were pretty bad at what they were doing,, but I can imagine a more subtle line that I might have fallen for. ** ** Does anybody recognize this? ** ** N ** ** Nicholas S. Thompson Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology Clark University http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/ http://www.cusf.org ** ** ** ** FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com -- *Doug Roberts d...@parrot-farm.net* *http://parrot-farm.net/Second-Cousins*http://parrot-farm.net/Second-Cousins * http://parrot-farm.net/Second-Cousins 505-455-7333 - Office 505-672-8213 - Mobile* FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com
Re: [FRIAM] [EXTERNAL] Please sign this thing! Eliminate the bi-annual time change caused by Daylight Savings Time
I like daylight savings too, because I like listening to people bitch about it. --Doug On Fri, Mar 15, 2013 at 1:55 PM, Tom Johnson t...@jtjohnson.com wrote: I like daylight savings. Gives another point of semi-regularity to my year. -tj On Fri, Mar 15, 2013 at 1:38 PM, Owen Densmore o...@backspaces.netwrote: On Fri, Mar 15, 2013 at 11:34 AM, Joshua Thorp jth...@redfish.comwrote: But is the time change even needed? What purpose does it really serve? There are lots of stories about it rooted in wartime/economy etc. But these things do not seem to be valid anymore. And are they worth the collective cost? I have to say I prefer light later in the day though. Agreed. I do like the petition's approach: simply no time shifting during the year. Whether it stays DST all year long (my preference) or standard time is to be decided. -- Owen FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com -- == J. T. Johnson Institute for Analytic Journalism -- Santa Fe, NM USAhttp://www.analyticjournalism.com/ 505.577.6482(c)505.473.9646(h) Twitter: jtjohnson http://www.jtjohnson.com t...@jtjohnson.com == FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com -- *Doug Roberts d...@parrot-farm.net* *http://parrot-farm.net/Second-Cousins*http://parrot-farm.net/Second-Cousins * http://parrot-farm.net/Second-Cousins 505-455-7333 - Office 505-672-8213 - Mobile* FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com
Re: [FRIAM] A new kind of pfishing?
YES I've gotten calls like that in the past from some people from china someplace trying to claim they work for MS. I don't know who to report them to. It's not just fishing it's social engineering (aka fraud and lying)- in my case the guy was all panicky that I might have malware and if I let him run my computer he'll fix it. I didn't let the guy get on with his sales pitch before hanging up on him. I run a regular virus sweep and malware sweep. I think he gave up after the third time I hung up on him. Why would I trust some complete stranger calling up going on and on about how many evil things might be on my computer-why would I trust someone who wasn't recomended to me by a someone who I trust to controll my computer-answer: I don't. On Fri, Mar 15, 2013 at 1:55 PM, Nicholas Thompson nickthomp...@earthlink.net wrote: Can anybody confirm this as a new form of pfishing? ** ** I got a call from a number in DC today, somebody with a strong Indian sub-continent accident, telling me that my computer was sending error messages to the network and offering to help me correct them. (I have the number in my phone trap, and would report it if I knew where to report it to.) The next step involved my going on my computer and connect it to them, I assume. These guys were pretty bad at what they were doing,, but I can imagine a more subtle line that I might have fallen for. ** ** Does anybody recognize this? ** ** N ** ** Nicholas S. Thompson Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology Clark University http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/ http://www.cusf.org ** ** ** ** FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com
Re: [FRIAM] A new kind of pfishing?
I got the call a couple of months ago. He tried to give the impression that he was working for Microsoft and they were doing the monitoring. He got very flustered when I pointed out that I had only Apple hardware and didn't run Windows. That didn't stop him from continuing his pitch. I finally had to shut him up by telling him what crook he was and hanging up. Actually I probably didn't shut him up but only moved him to the next one on his robodialer. Ed __ Ed Angel Founding Director, Art, Research, Technology and Science Laboratory (ARTS Lab) Professor Emeritus of Computer Science, University of New Mexico 1017 Sierra Pinon Santa Fe, NM 87501 505-984-0136 (home) an...@cs.unm.edu 505-453-4944 (cell) http://www.cs.unm.edu/~angel On Mar 15, 2013, at 1:55 PM, Nicholas Thompson wrote: Can anybody confirm this as a new form of pfishing? I got a call from a number in DC today, somebody with a strong Indian sub-continent accident, telling me that my computer was sending error messages to the network and offering to help me correct them. (I have the number in my phone trap, and would report it if I knew where to report it to.) The next step involved my going on my computer and connect it to them, I assume. These guys were pretty bad at what they were doing,, but I can imagine a more subtle line that I might have fallen for. Does anybody recognize this? N Nicholas S. Thompson Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology Clark University http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/ http://www.cusf.org FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com
Re: [FRIAM] A new kind of pfishing?
lol if you do record the conversation for our amusement (as well as good blog material). On Fri, Mar 15, 2013 at 2:03 PM, Douglas Roberts d...@parrot-farm.netwrote: I've gotten a few of those over the past few days from similarly accented people trying to tell me that my Windows machine was infected with a virus, but the callers' numbers were blocked. No, I didn't bother to Linuxize them, although that would have been fun. --Doug On Fri, Mar 15, 2013 at 1:55 PM, Nicholas Thompson nickthomp...@earthlink.net wrote: Can anybody confirm this as a new form of pfishing? ** ** I got a call from a number in DC today, somebody with a strong Indian sub-continent accident, telling me that my computer was sending error messages to the network and offering to help me correct them. (I have the number in my phone trap, and would report it if I knew where to report it to.) The next step involved my going on my computer and connect it to them, I assume. These guys were pretty bad at what they were doing,, but I can imagine a more subtle line that I might have fallen for. ** ** Does anybody recognize this? ** ** N ** ** Nicholas S. Thompson Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology Clark University http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/ http://www.cusf.org ** ** ** ** FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com -- *Doug Roberts d...@parrot-farm.net* *http://parrot-farm.net/Second-Cousins*http://parrot-farm.net/Second-Cousins * http://parrot-farm.net/Second-Cousins 505-455-7333 - Office 505-672-8213 - Mobile* FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com
Re: [FRIAM] [EXTERNAL] Please sign this thing! Eliminate the bi-annual time change caused by Daylight Savings Time
I too like DST -- mainly because it stays light later in the evening and dark later in the morning. Strange, this is what it was supposed to accomplish. It actually works. Why change it? *-- Russ Abbott* *_* *** Professor, Computer Science* * California State University, Los Angeles* * My paper on how the Fed can fix the economy: ssrn.com/abstract=1977688* * Google voice: 747-*999-5105 Google+: plus.google.com/114865618166480775623/ * vita: *sites.google.com/site/russabbott/ CS Wiki http://cs.calstatela.edu/wiki/ and the courses I teach *_* On Fri, Mar 15, 2013 at 1:04 PM, Douglas Roberts d...@parrot-farm.netwrote: I like daylight savings too, because I like listening to people bitch about it. --Doug On Fri, Mar 15, 2013 at 1:55 PM, Tom Johnson t...@jtjohnson.com wrote: I like daylight savings. Gives another point of semi-regularity to my year. -tj On Fri, Mar 15, 2013 at 1:38 PM, Owen Densmore o...@backspaces.netwrote: On Fri, Mar 15, 2013 at 11:34 AM, Joshua Thorp jth...@redfish.comwrote: But is the time change even needed? What purpose does it really serve? There are lots of stories about it rooted in wartime/economy etc. But these things do not seem to be valid anymore. And are they worth the collective cost? I have to say I prefer light later in the day though. Agreed. I do like the petition's approach: simply no time shifting during the year. Whether it stays DST all year long (my preference) or standard time is to be decided. -- Owen FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com -- == J. T. Johnson Institute for Analytic Journalism -- Santa Fe, NM USAhttp://www.analyticjournalism.com/ 505.577.6482(c)505.473.9646(h) Twitter: jtjohnson http://www.jtjohnson.com t...@jtjohnson.com == FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com -- *Doug Roberts d...@parrot-farm.net* *http://parrot-farm.net/Second-Cousins*http://parrot-farm.net/Second-Cousins * http://parrot-farm.net/Second-Cousins 505-455-7333 - Office 505-672-8213 - Mobile* FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com
Re: [FRIAM] A new kind of pfishing?
Yes same here- I didn't give him the chance to get annywhere when could bairly say Microsoft I just hung up. That virln(Roach) is probably scurring around I doubt that the kind of person that goes to or is on the FRIAM list is his mark. On Fri, Mar 15, 2013 at 2:06 PM, Edward Angel an...@cs.unm.edu wrote: I got the call a couple of months ago. He tried to give the impression that he was working for Microsoft and they were doing the monitoring. He got very flustered when I pointed out that I had only Apple hardware and didn't run Windows. That didn't stop him from continuing his pitch. I finally had to shut him up by telling him what crook he was and hanging up. Actually I probably didn't shut him up but only moved him to the next one on his robodialer. Ed __ Ed Angel Founding Director, Art, Research, Technology and Science Laboratory (ARTS Lab) Professor Emeritus of Computer Science, University of New Mexico 1017 Sierra Pinon Santa Fe, NM 87501 505-984-0136 (home) an...@cs.unm.edu 505-453-4944 (cell) http://www.cs.unm.edu/~angel On Mar 15, 2013, at 1:55 PM, Nicholas Thompson wrote: Can anybody confirm this as a new form of pfishing? ** ** I got a call from a number in DC today, somebody with a strong Indian sub-continent accident, telling me that my computer was sending error messages to the network and offering to help me correct them. (I have the number in my phone trap, and would report it if I knew where to report it to.) The next step involved my going on my computer and connect it to them, I assume. These guys were pretty bad at what they were doing,, but I can imagine a more subtle line that I might have fallen for. ** ** Does anybody recognize this? ** ** N ** ** Nicholas S. Thompson Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology Clark University http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/ http://www.cusf.org ** ** ** ** FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com
Re: [FRIAM] [EXTERNAL] Please sign this thing! Eliminate the bi-annual time change caused by Daylight Savings Time
For some of us with a already wonky metabalism we don't need help with it being more wonky by some extremely dead person for gigles I hit wikiepedia with DST and the list is at this link http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dst For those using plain text: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dst work safe. Clicking on the daylight savings time it says: The modern idea of daylight saving was first proposed in 1895 by George Vernon Hudson http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Vernon_Hudson [9]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daylight_saving_time#cite_note-DNZB-Hudson-9and it was first implemented during the First World War http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_I. Well thank you Hudson for messing around with my metablism. Humans are seeking peace and some of us are interested in persuing science. On Fri, Mar 15, 2013 at 2:07 PM, Russ Abbott russ.abb...@gmail.com wrote: I too like DST -- mainly because it stays light later in the evening and dark later in the morning. Strange, this is what it was supposed to accomplish. It actually works. Why change it? *-- Russ Abbott* *_* *** Professor, Computer Science* * California State University, Los Angeles* * My paper on how the Fed can fix the economy: ssrn.com/abstract=1977688* * Google voice: 747-*999-5105 Google+: plus.google.com/114865618166480775623/ * vita: *sites.google.com/site/russabbott/ CS Wiki http://cs.calstatela.edu/wiki/ and the courses I teach *_* On Fri, Mar 15, 2013 at 1:04 PM, Douglas Roberts d...@parrot-farm.netwrote: I like daylight savings too, because I like listening to people bitch about it. --Doug On Fri, Mar 15, 2013 at 1:55 PM, Tom Johnson t...@jtjohnson.com wrote: I like daylight savings. Gives another point of semi-regularity to my year. -tj On Fri, Mar 15, 2013 at 1:38 PM, Owen Densmore o...@backspaces.netwrote: On Fri, Mar 15, 2013 at 11:34 AM, Joshua Thorp jth...@redfish.comwrote: But is the time change even needed? What purpose does it really serve? There are lots of stories about it rooted in wartime/economy etc. But these things do not seem to be valid anymore. And are they worth the collective cost? I have to say I prefer light later in the day though. Agreed. I do like the petition's approach: simply no time shifting during the year. Whether it stays DST all year long (my preference) or standard time is to be decided. -- Owen FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com -- == J. T. Johnson Institute for Analytic Journalism -- Santa Fe, NM USAhttp://www.analyticjournalism.com/ 505.577.6482(c)505.473.9646(h) Twitter: jtjohnson http://www.jtjohnson.com t...@jtjohnson.com == FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com -- *Doug Roberts d...@parrot-farm.net* *http://parrot-farm.net/Second-Cousins*http://parrot-farm.net/Second-Cousins * http://parrot-farm.net/Second-Cousins 505-455-7333 - Office 505-672-8213 - Mobile* FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com
Re: [FRIAM] A new kind of pfishing?
Microsoft is usually all it takes to get me to hang up as well. On Fri, Mar 15, 2013 at 2:19 PM, Gillian Densmore gil.densm...@gmail.comwrote: Yes same here- I didn't give him the chance to get annywhere when could bairly say Microsoft I just hung up. That virln(Roach) is probably scurring around I doubt that the kind of person that goes to or is on the FRIAM list is his mark. On Fri, Mar 15, 2013 at 2:06 PM, Edward Angel an...@cs.unm.edu wrote: I got the call a couple of months ago. He tried to give the impression that he was working for Microsoft and they were doing the monitoring. He got very flustered when I pointed out that I had only Apple hardware and didn't run Windows. That didn't stop him from continuing his pitch. I finally had to shut him up by telling him what crook he was and hanging up. Actually I probably didn't shut him up but only moved him to the next one on his robodialer. Ed __ Ed Angel Founding Director, Art, Research, Technology and Science Laboratory (ARTS Lab) Professor Emeritus of Computer Science, University of New Mexico 1017 Sierra Pinon Santa Fe, NM 87501 505-984-0136 (home) an...@cs.unm.edu 505-453-4944 (cell) http://www.cs.unm.edu/~angel On Mar 15, 2013, at 1:55 PM, Nicholas Thompson wrote: Can anybody confirm this as a new form of pfishing? ** ** I got a call from a number in DC today, somebody with a strong Indian sub-continent accident, telling me that my computer was sending error messages to the network and offering to help me correct them. (I have the number in my phone trap, and would report it if I knew where to report it to.) The next step involved my going on my computer and connect it to them, I assume. These guys were pretty bad at what they were doing,, but I can imagine a more subtle line that I might have fallen for. ** ** Does anybody recognize this? ** ** N ** ** Nicholas S. Thompson Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology Clark University http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/ http://www.cusf.org ** ** ** ** FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com -- *Doug Roberts d...@parrot-farm.net* *http://parrot-farm.net/Second-Cousins*http://parrot-farm.net/Second-Cousins * http://parrot-farm.net/Second-Cousins 505-455-7333 - Office 505-672-8213 - Mobile* FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com
Re: [FRIAM] [EXTERNAL] Please sign this thing! Eliminate the bi-annual time change caused by Daylight Savings Time
So Owen. You want your school aged grandchildren children standing out by the mail box in the pitch dark of the night (January, 6am, DST) in rush hour traffic? Why does it not work for you just to get up when you feel like and let us lemmings shift back to standard time when we feel like it? And why would one petition the white house? As if it's Obama who changes the clocks? As Pogo famously said, We have seen the enemy and they is we. Sorry to be so cranky. I am feeling very Douggish today. Must be the time change. Nick Nick From: Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of Owen Densmore Sent: Friday, March 15, 2013 1:39 PM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: Re: [FRIAM] [EXTERNAL] Please sign this thing! Eliminate the bi-annual time change caused by Daylight Savings Time On Fri, Mar 15, 2013 at 11:34 AM, Joshua Thorp jth...@redfish.com wrote: But is the time change even needed? What purpose does it really serve? There are lots of stories about it rooted in wartime/economy etc. But these things do not seem to be valid anymore. And are they worth the collective cost? I have to say I prefer light later in the day though. Agreed. I do like the petition's approach: simply no time shifting during the year. Whether it stays DST all year long (my preference) or standard time is to be decided. -- Owen FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com
Re: [FRIAM] [EXTERNAL] Please sign this thing! Eliminate the bi-annual time change caused by Daylight Savings Time
I feel both insulted, and flattered. I can live with that. On Fri, Mar 15, 2013 at 2:59 PM, Nicholas Thompson nickthomp...@earthlink.net wrote: So Owen. You want your school aged grandchildren children standing out by the mail box in the pitch dark of the night (January, 6am, DST) in rush hour traffic? ** ** Why does it not work for you just to get up when you feel like and let us lemmings shift back to standard time when we feel like it? ** ** And why would one petition the white house? As if it’s Obama who changes the clocks? As Pogo famously said, “We have seen the enemy and they is we.” ** ** Sorry to be so cranky. I am feeling very Douggish today. Must be the time change. ** ** Nick ** ** Nick ** ** *From:* Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] *On Behalf Of *Owen Densmore *Sent:* Friday, March 15, 2013 1:39 PM *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] [EXTERNAL] Please sign this thing! Eliminate the bi-annual time change caused by Daylight Savings Time ** ** On Fri, Mar 15, 2013 at 11:34 AM, Joshua Thorp jth...@redfish.com wrote: But is the time change even needed? What purpose does it really serve? There are lots of stories about it rooted in wartime/economy etc. But these things do not seem to be valid anymore. And are they worth the collective cost? I have to say I prefer light later in the day though. ** ** Agreed. I do like the petition's approach: simply no time shifting during the year. Whether it stays DST all year long (my preference) or standard time is to be decided. ** ** -- Owen FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com -- *Doug Roberts d...@parrot-farm.net* *http://parrot-farm.net/Second-Cousins*http://parrot-farm.net/Second-Cousins * http://parrot-farm.net/Second-Cousins 505-455-7333 - Office 505-672-8213 - Mobile* FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com
Re: [FRIAM] [EXTERNAL] Please sign this thing! Eliminate the bi-annual time change caused by Daylight Savings Time
Yes he can actually he can abolish the time shift- and it looks like most of the rest of the world gets along just fine w/o one. On Fri, Mar 15, 2013 at 2:59 PM, Nicholas Thompson nickthomp...@earthlink.net wrote: So Owen. You want your school aged grandchildren children standing out by the mail box in the pitch dark of the night (January, 6am, DST) in rush hour traffic? ** ** Why does it not work for you just to get up when you feel like and let us lemmings shift back to standard time when we feel like it? ** ** And why would one petition the white house? As if it’s Obama who changes the clocks? As Pogo famously said, “We have seen the enemy and they is we.” ** ** Sorry to be so cranky. I am feeling very Douggish today. Must be the time change. ** ** Nick ** ** Nick ** ** *From:* Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] *On Behalf Of *Owen Densmore *Sent:* Friday, March 15, 2013 1:39 PM *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] [EXTERNAL] Please sign this thing! Eliminate the bi-annual time change caused by Daylight Savings Time ** ** On Fri, Mar 15, 2013 at 11:34 AM, Joshua Thorp jth...@redfish.com wrote: But is the time change even needed? What purpose does it really serve? There are lots of stories about it rooted in wartime/economy etc. But these things do not seem to be valid anymore. And are they worth the collective cost? I have to say I prefer light later in the day though. ** ** Agreed. I do like the petition's approach: simply no time shifting during the year. Whether it stays DST all year long (my preference) or standard time is to be decided. ** ** -- Owen FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com
Re: [FRIAM] A new kind of pfishing?
Hanging up may not always be the best solution. A while ago my wife was getting pornographic calls. I could tell it was the crank caller since he asked for her as Rose instead of Rose Mary. When I asked who was calling he got quite huffy and said he wasn't calling for me, he was calling for Rose. So I told him I'd get her and put the phone down. An hour later I could still hear his heavy breathing. But he finally gave up waiting and never called again. We had a similar experience with prostitutes calling our room in Kazakstan claiming to be students studying English but that's another story and was more fun. Ed __ Ed Angel Founding Director, Art, Research, Technology and Science Laboratory (ARTS Lab) Professor Emeritus of Computer Science, University of New Mexico 1017 Sierra Pinon Santa Fe, NM 87501 505-984-0136 (home) an...@cs.unm.edu 505-453-4944 (cell) http://www.cs.unm.edu/~angel On Mar 15, 2013, at 2:48 PM, Douglas Roberts wrote: Microsoft is usually all it takes to get me to hang up as well. On Fri, Mar 15, 2013 at 2:19 PM, Gillian Densmore gil.densm...@gmail.com wrote: Yes same here- I didn't give him the chance to get annywhere when could bairly say Microsoft I just hung up. That virln(Roach) is probably scurring around I doubt that the kind of person that goes to or is on the FRIAM list is his mark. On Fri, Mar 15, 2013 at 2:06 PM, Edward Angel an...@cs.unm.edu wrote: I got the call a couple of months ago. He tried to give the impression that he was working for Microsoft and they were doing the monitoring. He got very flustered when I pointed out that I had only Apple hardware and didn't run Windows. That didn't stop him from continuing his pitch. I finally had to shut him up by telling him what crook he was and hanging up. Actually I probably didn't shut him up but only moved him to the next one on his robodialer. Ed __ Ed Angel Founding Director, Art, Research, Technology and Science Laboratory (ARTS Lab) Professor Emeritus of Computer Science, University of New Mexico 1017 Sierra Pinon Santa Fe, NM 87501 505-984-0136 (home) an...@cs.unm.edu 505-453-4944 (cell) http://www.cs.unm.edu/~angel On Mar 15, 2013, at 1:55 PM, Nicholas Thompson wrote: Can anybody confirm this as a new form of pfishing? I got a call from a number in DC today, somebody with a strong Indian sub-continent accident, telling me that my computer was sending error messages to the network and offering to help me correct them. (I have the number in my phone trap, and would report it if I knew where to report it to.) The next step involved my going on my computer and connect it to them, I assume. These guys were pretty bad at what they were doing,, but I can imagine a more subtle line that I might have fallen for. Does anybody recognize this? N Nicholas S. Thompson Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology Clark University http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/ http://www.cusf.org FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com -- Doug Roberts d...@parrot-farm.net http://parrot-farm.net/Second-Cousins 505-455-7333 - Office 505-672-8213 - Mobile FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com
Re: [FRIAM] [EXTERNAL] Please sign this thing! Eliminate the bi-annual time change caused by Daylight Savings Time
I doubt this is still true but when I was younger the maps showed that Saudi Arabia was on solar time, i.e. the time depended on where you were standing. Ed __ Ed Angel Founding Director, Art, Research, Technology and Science Laboratory (ARTS Lab) Professor Emeritus of Computer Science, University of New Mexico 1017 Sierra Pinon Santa Fe, NM 87501 505-984-0136 (home) an...@cs.unm.edu 505-453-4944 (cell) http://www.cs.unm.edu/~angel On Mar 15, 2013, at 3:07 PM, Gillian Densmore wrote: Yes he can actually he can abolish the time shift- and it looks like most of the rest of the world gets along just fine w/o one. On Fri, Mar 15, 2013 at 2:59 PM, Nicholas Thompson nickthomp...@earthlink.net wrote: So Owen. You want your school aged grandchildren children standing out by the mail box in the pitch dark of the night (January, 6am, DST) in rush hour traffic? Why does it not work for you just to get up when you feel like and let us lemmings shift back to standard time when we feel like it? And why would one petition the white house? As if it’s Obama who changes the clocks? As Pogo famously said, “We have seen the enemy and they is we.” Sorry to be so cranky. I am feeling very Douggish today. Must be the time change. Nick Nick From: Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of Owen Densmore Sent: Friday, March 15, 2013 1:39 PM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: Re: [FRIAM] [EXTERNAL] Please sign this thing! Eliminate the bi-annual time change caused by Daylight Savings Time On Fri, Mar 15, 2013 at 11:34 AM, Joshua Thorp jth...@redfish.com wrote: But is the time change even needed? What purpose does it really serve? There are lots of stories about it rooted in wartime/economy etc. But these things do not seem to be valid anymore. And are they worth the collective cost? I have to say I prefer light later in the day though. Agreed. I do like the petition's approach: simply no time shifting during the year. Whether it stays DST all year long (my preference) or standard time is to be decided. -- Owen FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com
Re: [FRIAM] A new kind of pfishing?
A nice variant is this: Many years ago a friend reported getting a sales call about window blinds and told the salesman that oh yes she was very interested in this and please hold the line while she goes and makes some measurements of her windows.. Bruce FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com
Re: [FRIAM] Google Reader and More: Google Abandoning of Apps/Services
In case gmail also heads south, Dropbox has a new partner, Mailbox: http://goo.gl/y3IL2 .. with the obligatory hacker news https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5381572 .. and /. stories http://hardware.slashdot.org/story/13/03/15/1822258/dropbox-acquires-mailbox Also just search: mailbox dropbox web interface MB is an iOS app but if DB integrates with it, my assumption is that it would end up having a web front end, just as DB has. Kinda clever, and I like the idea of all these nifty new critters being based on Amazon Web Services. -- Owen FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com
[FRIAM] Killing vs. Letting Die (was Re: Google Reader and More: Google Abandoning of Apps/Services)
Arlo Barnes wrote at 03/14/2013 10:30 PM: Now, there are many things Google does that could be considered evil (or at least heading that way; all that foofaraw with Verizon?), but not providing service previously provided for free is not one of them. It is merely annoying, or at worst (if all your workflow is locked into the service) frustrating/infuriating. Back in college, I used to distract myself from homework by reading this http://www.press.uchicago.edu/ucp/journals/journal/et.html. I don't know why. I must have gotten a good deal on the subscription. It was like television, I guess. I only remember 1 article from the whole stint, entitled something like On Killing and Letting Die. The idea was to draw a moral distinction (or not) between the two actions. After college, I ran across lots of busyness people who would claim that not acting is a decision just as much as acting in one way or another. My own conclusion was that killing someone and letting them die are essentially the same thing, morally speaking. Nowadays, I may be revising that, since I argued for pulling my dad from his machines and as I approach the age where I may want to off myself rather than slowly decay in bed. My point, here, is that Google may well be committing the moral equivalent of killing a project even though it seems like they're merely not providing a service. In any case, it was from this lack of a moral distinction between killing and letting die that I drew my own private (and much criticized by my friends) definition of evil - willful ignorance. I.e. only those who are unwilling to empathize, if not directly experience the effects of their actions could ever be called evil. That means literally any act anyone might do, regardless of how atrocious or pathological, could be non-evil as long as they work hard enough to understand what their victims will(are) experience(ing). Hence, Google could demonstrate that letting Google Reader die (by removing its life support) is not evil by showing us that it has some in-depth metrics for how it's absence will affect its users and the society in which they're embedded. -- == glen e. p. ropella Laid out in amber baby FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com
Re: [FRIAM] [EXTERNAL] Please sign this thing! Eliminate the bi-annual time change caused by Daylight Savings Time
Rolling in shit is highly underrated. On Mar 15, 2013 6:08 PM, Steve Smith sasm...@swcp.com wrote: D- I feel both insulted, and flattered. I can live with that. hardly... I can hear you rolling in it (like a dog in an animal carcass) from 8 miles away! ;) Sorry to be so cranky. I am feeling very Douggish today. Must be the time change. -S FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com
Re: [FRIAM] A new kind of pfishing?
Ed- Cutting in before Doug gets there... It sounds like you get *all* the fun! Maybe I should answer my phone even when I don't recognize the phone number... that is MY solution... it works amazingly well, though the false positives do irritate my friends and colleagues, though that is what voicemail, txt, e-mail, etc. are for. My mother recently moved into an assisted living apartment and inherited the phone number that came with the apartment. The man who lived there before her apparently got scammed out of quite a bit of money (4 figures anyway) by phone and his number went out on the wire so she gets a *lot* of calls from these losers... she seems immune to most of it, but you never know when someone will get past her intuition... she's 86 and recently widowed. Her Scotch blood and Appalachian roots seem to be working for her so far. I don't understand why she answers the phone... a lifetime of habit I guess. - Steve Hanging up may not always be the best solution. A while ago my wife was getting pornographic calls. I could tell it was the crank caller since he asked for her as Rose instead of Rose Mary. When I asked who was calling he got quite huffy and said he wasn't calling for me, he was calling for Rose. So I told him I'd get her and put the phone down. An hour later I could still hear his heavy breathing. But he finally gave up waiting and never called again. We had a similar experience with prostitutes calling our room in Kazakstan claiming to be students studying English but that's another story and was more fun. Ed __ Ed Angel Founding Director, Art, Research, Technology and Science Laboratory (ARTS Lab) Professor Emeritus of Computer Science, University of New Mexico 1017 Sierra Pinon Santa Fe, NM 87501 505-984-0136 (home)an...@cs.unm.edu mailto:an...@cs.unm.edu 505-453-4944 (cell) http://www.cs.unm.edu/~angel http://www.cs.unm.edu/%7Eangel On Mar 15, 2013, at 2:48 PM, Douglas Roberts wrote: Microsoft is usually all it takes to get me to hang up as well. On Fri, Mar 15, 2013 at 2:19 PM, Gillian Densmore gil.densm...@gmail.com mailto:gil.densm...@gmail.com wrote: Yes same here- I didn't give him the chance to get annywhere when could bairly say Microsoft I just hung up. That virln(Roach) is probably scurring around I doubt that the kind of person that goes to or is on the FRIAM list is his mark. On Fri, Mar 15, 2013 at 2:06 PM, Edward Angel an...@cs.unm.edu mailto:an...@cs.unm.edu wrote: I got the call a couple of months ago. He tried to give the impression that he was working for Microsoft and they were doing the monitoring. He got very flustered when I pointed out that I had only Apple hardware and didn't run Windows. That didn't stop him from continuing his pitch. I finally had to shut him up by telling him what crook he was and hanging up. Actually I probably didn't shut him up but only moved him to the next one on his robodialer. Ed __ Ed Angel Founding Director, Art, Research, Technology and Science Laboratory (ARTS Lab) Professor Emeritus of Computer Science, University of New Mexico 1017 Sierra Pinon Santa Fe, NM 87501 505-984-0136 tel:505-984-0136 (home)an...@cs.unm.edu mailto:an...@cs.unm.edu 505-453-4944 tel:505-453-4944 (cell) http://www.cs.unm.edu/~angel http://www.cs.unm.edu/%7Eangel On Mar 15, 2013, at 1:55 PM, Nicholas Thompson wrote: Can anybody confirm this as a new form of pfishing? I got a call from a number in DC today, somebody with a strong Indian sub-continent accident, telling me that my computer was sending error messages to the network and offering to help me correct them. (I have the number in my phone trap, and would report it if I knew where to report it to.) The next step involved my going on my computer and connect it to them, I assume. These guys were pretty bad at what they were doing,, but I can imagine a more subtle line that I might have fallen for. Does anybody recognize this? N Nicholas S. Thompson Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology Clark University http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/ http://home.earthlink.net/%7Enickthompson/naturaldesigns/ http://www.cusf.org http://www.cusf.org/ FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribehttp://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's
Re: [FRIAM] [EXTERNAL] Please sign this thing! Eliminate the bi-annual time change caused by Daylight Savings Time
Rolling in shit is highly underrated. Oh yeh... dogs like to do that too! Mine can do some amazing shoulder rolls at full gallop when she comes across something. FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com
Re: [FRIAM] [EXTERNAL] Please sign this thing! Eliminate the bi-annual time change caused by Daylight Savings Time
How are you doing, neighbor? On Mar 15, 2013 6:23 PM, Steve Smith sasm...@swcp.com wrote: Rolling in shit is highly underrated. Oh yeh... dogs like to do that too! Mine can do some amazing shoulder rolls at full gallop when she comes across something. ==**== FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/**listinfo/friam_redfish.comhttp://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com
Re: [FRIAM] A new kind of pfishing?
Sarbajit - And here we thought it was you! Pranking Nick is just mean, but maybe you could give Doug a ring and tell him you can fix his Bluetooth/WiFi problem if he just gives you his credit card and bank account numbers and the keys to his BMW Motorcycle... We could all have a party and help you spend out his accounts ordering stuff online... Do you think he's gullible enough? - Steve This scam has been around for years http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/jul/18/phone-scam-india-call-centres On Sat, Mar 16, 2013 at 1:33 AM, Douglas Roberts d...@parrot-farm.net mailto:d...@parrot-farm.net wrote: I've gotten a few of those over the past few days from similarly accented people trying to tell me that my Windows machine was infected with a virus, but the callers' numbers were blocked. No, I didn't bother to Linuxize them, although that would have been fun. --Doug On Fri, Mar 15, 2013 at 1:55 PM, Nicholas Thompson nickthomp...@earthlink.net mailto:nickthomp...@earthlink.net wrote: Can anybody confirm this as a new form of pfishing? I got a call from a number in DC today, somebody with a strong Indian sub-continent accident, telling me that my computer was sending error messages to the network and offering to help me correct them. (I have the number in my phone trap, and would report it if I knew where to report it to.) The next step involved my going on my computer and connect it to them, I assume. These guys were pretty bad at what they were doing,, but I can imagine a more subtle line that I might have fallen for. Does anybody recognize this? N Nicholas S. Thompson Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology Clark University http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/ http://home.earthlink.net/%7Enickthompson/naturaldesigns/ http://www.cusf.org http://www.cusf.org/ FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com -- /Doug Roberts d...@parrot-farm.net mailto:d...@parrot-farm.net/ /http://parrot-farm.net/Second-Cousins/ / 505-455-7333 - Office 505-672-8213 - Mobile/ FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com
Re: [FRIAM] A new kind of pfishing?
Hi Steve I must mention that these scamsters target victims aged 50+ presumably with little knowledge of computers and under-informed of human psychology. Probably picked the wrong bunch at FRIAM :-). Doug (from what I observe) takes care of himself very well. I'll ask my friends to devise a special scam for him involving peacocks and an Android app. Sarbajit On Sat, Mar 16, 2013 at 6:26 AM, Steve Smith sasm...@swcp.com wrote: Sarbajit - And here we thought it was you! Pranking Nick is just mean, but maybe you could give Doug a ring and tell him you can fix his Bluetooth/WiFi problem if he just gives you his credit card and bank account numbers and the keys to his BMW Motorcycle... We could all have a party and help you spend out his accounts ordering stuff online... Do you think he's gullible enough? - Steve This scam has been around for years http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/jul/18/phone-scam-india-call-centres On Sat, Mar 16, 2013 at 1:33 AM, Douglas Roberts d...@parrot-farm.netwrote: I've gotten a few of those over the past few days from similarly accented people trying to tell me that my Windows machine was infected with a virus, but the callers' numbers were blocked. No, I didn't bother to Linuxize them, although that would have been fun. --Doug On Fri, Mar 15, 2013 at 1:55 PM, Nicholas Thompson nickthomp...@earthlink.net wrote: Can anybody confirm this as a new form of pfishing? I got a call from a number in DC today, somebody with a strong Indian sub-continent accident, telling me that my computer was sending error messages to the network and offering to help me correct them. (I have the number in my phone trap, and would report it if I knew where to report it to.) The next step involved my going on my computer and connect it to them, I assume. These guys were pretty bad at what they were doing,, but I can imagine a more subtle line that I might have fallen for. Does anybody recognize this? N Nicholas S. Thompson Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology Clark University http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/ http://www.cusf.org FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com -- *Doug Roberts d...@parrot-farm.net* *http://parrot-farm.net/Second-Cousins*http://parrot-farm.net/Second-Cousins * 505-455-7333 - Office 505-672-8213 - Mobile* FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com
Re: [FRIAM] A new kind of pfishing?
Throw in a US Navy Admiral (Retired) Sarbajit, and you have the perfect recipe! (Old, inside joke, I'm afraid). --Doug On Fri, Mar 15, 2013 at 7:15 PM, Sarbajit Roy sroy...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Steve I must mention that these scamsters target victims aged 50+ presumably with little knowledge of computers and under-informed of human psychology. Probably picked the wrong bunch at FRIAM :-). Doug (from what I observe) takes care of himself very well. I'll ask my friends to devise a special scam for him involving peacocks and an Android app. Sarbajit On Sat, Mar 16, 2013 at 6:26 AM, Steve Smith sasm...@swcp.com wrote: Sarbajit - And here we thought it was you! Pranking Nick is just mean, but maybe you could give Doug a ring and tell him you can fix his Bluetooth/WiFi problem if he just gives you his credit card and bank account numbers and the keys to his BMW Motorcycle... We could all have a party and help you spend out his accounts ordering stuff online... Do you think he's gullible enough? - Steve This scam has been around for years http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/jul/18/phone-scam-india-call-centres On Sat, Mar 16, 2013 at 1:33 AM, Douglas Roberts d...@parrot-farm.netwrote: I've gotten a few of those over the past few days from similarly accented people trying to tell me that my Windows machine was infected with a virus, but the callers' numbers were blocked. No, I didn't bother to Linuxize them, although that would have been fun. --Doug On Fri, Mar 15, 2013 at 1:55 PM, Nicholas Thompson nickthomp...@earthlink.net wrote: Can anybody confirm this as a new form of pfishing? I got a call from a number in DC today, somebody with a strong Indian sub-continent accident, telling me that my computer was sending error messages to the network and offering to help me correct them. (I have the number in my phone trap, and would report it if I knew where to report it to.) The next step involved my going on my computer and connect it to them, I assume. These guys were pretty bad at what they were doing,, but I can imagine a more subtle line that I might have fallen for. Does anybody recognize this? N Nicholas S. Thompson Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology Clark University http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/ http://www.cusf.org FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com -- *Doug Roberts d...@parrot-farm.net* *http://parrot-farm.net/Second-Cousins*http://parrot-farm.net/Second-Cousins * 505-455-7333 - Office 505-672-8213 - Mobile* FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com -- *Doug Roberts d...@parrot-farm.net* *http://parrot-farm.net/Second-Cousins*http://parrot-farm.net/Second-Cousins * http://parrot-farm.net/Second-Cousins 505-455-7333 - Office 505-672-8213 - Mobile* FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com
Re: [FRIAM] A new kind of pfishing?
Would that be Vice Admiral George Nanos of cowboys and butthead fame? On Sat, Mar 16, 2013 at 6:52 AM, Douglas Roberts d...@parrot-farm.netwrote: Throw in a US Navy Admiral (Retired) Sarbajit, and you have the perfect recipe! (Old, inside joke, I'm afraid). --Doug On Fri, Mar 15, 2013 at 7:15 PM, Sarbajit Roy sroy...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Steve I must mention that these scamsters target victims aged 50+ presumably with little knowledge of computers and under-informed of human psychology. Probably picked the wrong bunch at FRIAM :-). Doug (from what I observe) takes care of himself very well. I'll ask my friends to devise a special scam for him involving peacocks and an Android app. Sarbajit On Sat, Mar 16, 2013 at 6:26 AM, Steve Smith sasm...@swcp.com wrote: Sarbajit - And here we thought it was you! Pranking Nick is just mean, but maybe you could give Doug a ring and tell him you can fix his Bluetooth/WiFi problem if he just gives you his credit card and bank account numbers and the keys to his BMW Motorcycle... We could all have a party and help you spend out his accounts ordering stuff online... Do you think he's gullible enough? - Steve This scam has been around for years http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/jul/18/phone-scam-india-call-centres On Sat, Mar 16, 2013 at 1:33 AM, Douglas Roberts d...@parrot-farm.netwrote: I've gotten a few of those over the past few days from similarly accented people trying to tell me that my Windows machine was infected with a virus, but the callers' numbers were blocked. No, I didn't bother to Linuxize them, although that would have been fun. --Doug On Fri, Mar 15, 2013 at 1:55 PM, Nicholas Thompson nickthomp...@earthlink.net wrote: Can anybody confirm this as a new form of pfishing? I got a call from a number in DC today, somebody with a strong Indian sub-continent accident, telling me that my computer was sending error messages to the network and offering to help me correct them. (I have the number in my phone trap, and would report it if I knew where to report it to.) The next step involved my going on my computer and connect it to them, I assume. These guys were pretty bad at what they were doing,, but I can imagine a more subtle line that I might have fallen for. Does anybody recognize this? N Nicholas S. Thompson Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology Clark University http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/ http://www.cusf.org FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com -- *Doug Roberts d...@parrot-farm.net* *http://parrot-farm.net/Second-Cousins*http://parrot-farm.net/Second-Cousins * 505-455-7333 - Office 505-672-8213 - Mobile* FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com -- *Doug Roberts d...@parrot-farm.net* *http://parrot-farm.net/Second-Cousins*http://parrot-farm.net/Second-Cousins * http://parrot-farm.net/Second-Cousins 505-455-7333 - Office 505-672-8213 - Mobile* FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com
Re: [FRIAM] A new kind of pfishing?
The same, I'm afraid. On Fri, Mar 15, 2013 at 7:34 PM, Sarbajit Roy sroy...@gmail.com wrote: Would that be Vice Admiral George Nanos of cowboys and butthead fame? On Sat, Mar 16, 2013 at 6:52 AM, Douglas Roberts d...@parrot-farm.netwrote: Throw in a US Navy Admiral (Retired) Sarbajit, and you have the perfect recipe! (Old, inside joke, I'm afraid). --Doug On Fri, Mar 15, 2013 at 7:15 PM, Sarbajit Roy sroy...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Steve I must mention that these scamsters target victims aged 50+ presumably with little knowledge of computers and under-informed of human psychology. Probably picked the wrong bunch at FRIAM :-). Doug (from what I observe) takes care of himself very well. I'll ask my friends to devise a special scam for him involving peacocks and an Android app. Sarbajit On Sat, Mar 16, 2013 at 6:26 AM, Steve Smith sasm...@swcp.com wrote: Sarbajit - And here we thought it was you! Pranking Nick is just mean, but maybe you could give Doug a ring and tell him you can fix his Bluetooth/WiFi problem if he just gives you his credit card and bank account numbers and the keys to his BMW Motorcycle... We could all have a party and help you spend out his accounts ordering stuff online... Do you think he's gullible enough? - Steve This scam has been around for years http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/jul/18/phone-scam-india-call-centres On Sat, Mar 16, 2013 at 1:33 AM, Douglas Roberts d...@parrot-farm.net wrote: I've gotten a few of those over the past few days from similarly accented people trying to tell me that my Windows machine was infected with a virus, but the callers' numbers were blocked. No, I didn't bother to Linuxize them, although that would have been fun. --Doug On Fri, Mar 15, 2013 at 1:55 PM, Nicholas Thompson nickthomp...@earthlink.net wrote: Can anybody confirm this as a new form of pfishing? I got a call from a number in DC today, somebody with a strong Indian sub-continent accident, telling me that my computer was sending error messages to the network and offering to help me correct them. (I have the number in my phone trap, and would report it if I knew where to report it to.) The next step involved my going on my computer and connect it to them, I assume. These guys were pretty bad at what they were doing,, but I can imagine a more subtle line that I might have fallen for. Does anybody recognize this? N Nicholas S. Thompson Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology Clark University http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/ http://www.cusf.org FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com -- *Doug Roberts d...@parrot-farm.net* *http://parrot-farm.net/Second-Cousins*http://parrot-farm.net/Second-Cousins * 505-455-7333 - Office 505-672-8213 - Mobile* FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com -- *Doug Roberts d...@parrot-farm.net* *http://parrot-farm.net/Second-Cousins*http://parrot-farm.net/Second-Cousins * http://parrot-farm.net/Second-Cousins 505-455-7333 - Office 505-672-8213 - Mobile* FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com -- *Doug Roberts d...@parrot-farm.net* *http://parrot-farm.net/Second-Cousins*http://parrot-farm.net/Second-Cousins * http://parrot-farm.net/Second-Cousins 505-455-7333 - Office 505-672-8213 - Mobile* FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's
Re: [FRIAM] Against Kierkegaard (was Re: Google Reader and More: Google Abandoning of Apps/Services)
On 3/15/13 7:58 AM, lrudo...@meganet.net wrote: No, not IMAP. I want my own cloud. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bvKj8lTuVtk inevitably will lead to http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pq3YdpB6N9M Wow, I'm lost, but here's another.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RWdP8B4BHss FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com
[FRIAM] DST
A quote from an obituary (http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/sunherald/obituary.aspx?pid=163538353#fbLoggedOut) that has gone viral He particularly hated Day Light Saving Time, which he referred to as The Devil's Time. It is not lost on his family that he died the very day that he would have had to spring his clock forward. This can only be viewed as his final protest. Read more here: http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/sunherald/obituary.aspx?pid=163538353#fbLoggedOut#storylink=cpy Owen: Do you hate it that much? The whole obit is worth reading. __ Ed Angel Founding Director, Art, Research, Technology and Science Laboratory (ARTS Lab) Professor Emeritus of Computer Science, University of New Mexico 1017 Sierra Pinon Santa Fe, NM 87501 505-984-0136 (home) an...@cs.unm.edu 505-453-4944 (cell) http://www.cs.unm.edu/~angel FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com
