Re: [gentoo-user] anti-portage wreckage?
I understand what you say, but I'm not sure I got my point across very well. Let's say I have a server that has various things installed like apache with the 2.0 branch, mysql with the 4.0 branch, and PHP with the 4.xbranch. If I do an emerge -u world on a machine with these, at some random point in time when the devs decide the newer branch is stable, then any one of these will be upgraded to the next branch. What I am asking, is why wouldn't it be better to have it where I will only stay on the current branch for that profile, and only move to the next branch when I change the profile? Like, say I have the 2005 profile, then I wouldn't have to worry about PHP upgrading to 5.0 or randomly requiring some virtual ebuild or whatever else is decided to be thrown our way. I would just have to worry about updating the 4.x branch at least until the devs decide to stop supporting it. I think another advantage to using this method would be that it would make it easier to transition from an application that has a monolithic ebuild to suddenly having a modular ebuild, or a virtual ebuild. At least this way, we wouldn't have to worry about fundamental things changing on us during an update until we change the profile and can expect these kinds of changes and can deal with them at a more convenient time instead of when the devs decide it's time to for us. Does that make any sense? On 12/25/06, Andrey Gerasimenko [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 25 Dec 2006 04:52:55 +0300, Mike Myers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In Gentoo, the system is updated while you are using it. This causes us users to modify whatever we're running to suit all these changes. As far as I know, Gentoo releases a Reference Platform twice a year. So, you can upgrade twice a year, once a year, once in two years - all as you please. It will be similar to other distros, but better. I'd rather be able to specify that I'm using like the 2005 profile, and then when I try to do emerge -u world, I don't have to deal with my applications going from one major version to another major version all by themselves and then breaking with no easy way to revert back. As discussed recently in another thread of this list, there are ways to get back easily, backup of the portage tree being one of them. However, I guess your problem can be solved easier - just do not do -u world. Since its goal is exactly to produce what you do not want, why should you? How many packages do you really want to be the latest? If there are a few, it is easy to update them individually; if there are many, you may create a virtual package in the overlay and update it. I do not here much about upgrade really breaking a Gentoo installation. If it did, then a fresh install also would be broken, an extremely rare case with stable arch. Thus, if something does not work after upgrade, then configuration files are out of order. Gentoo already has everything necessary to examine them one by one and fix as necessary. Please tell me there's some solution to this? I haven't seen one mentioned anywhere yet. Even with Gentoo's occasional problems, I like it too much to use any other distro but I'd definitely like to see better version management than what its got, which is none. As far as I understand, no, there is no solution. If you upgrade any software, you have to upgrade the dependencies and configuration. All that can be offered, and is offered by many distros, is the upgrade option that should work if you installed the distro and did not change anything. Even that does not work pretty often, please read the reviews. For a Gentoo user the reason is evident - they do not have dispatch-conf. Some vendors have already stopped bragging that an upgrade does not break anything, example - Vista. -- Andrei Gerasimenko -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] anti-portage wreckage?
Mike Myers wrote: I understand what you say, but I'm not sure I got my point across very well. Let's say I have a server that has various things installed like apache with the 2.0 branch, mysql with the 4.0 branch, and PHP with the 4.x branch. If I do an emerge -u world on a machine with these, at some random point in time when the devs decide the newer branch is stable, then any one of these will be upgraded to the next branch. What I am asking, is why wouldn't it be better to have it where I will only stay on the current branch for that profile, and only move to the next branch when I change the profile? Then you can mask them in package.mask and then it won't upgrade the ones you don't want to upgrade. When you get ready to upgrade, just comment the lines in the file and upgrade. Like, say I have the 2005 profile, then I wouldn't have to worry about PHP upgrading to 5.0 or randomly requiring some virtual ebuild or whatever else is decided to be thrown our way. I would just have to worry about updating the 4.x branch at least until the devs decide to stop supporting it. I think another advantage to using this method would be that it would make it easier to transition from an application that has a monolithic ebuild to suddenly having a modular ebuild, or a virtual ebuild. At least this way, we wouldn't have to worry about fundamental things changing on us during an update until we change the profile and can expect these kinds of changes and can deal with them at a more convenient time instead of when the devs decide it's time to for us. Does that make any sense? Well, I remember xorg going modular too. I read that some were having problems and I just masked it for a few weeks, then upgraded after it all got sorted out. It worked fine for me. I had no problems after that. All this said, it is rare that I have trouble doing a upgrade. Most of my problems come in when I am using something that is masked or keyworded. Then you can expect to have those though. There are ways to do what you want, it just seems to defeat the purpose of having Gentoo in my opinion. Dale :-) :-) -- www.myspace.com/dalek1967 -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] No sound in flash
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Felipe Ribeiro wrote: Hi, When i try to open a flash video on firefox, the sound doesnt work and i get this error message repeated many times as output ALSA lib pcm_plug.c:1189:(_snd_pcm_plug_open) Unknown field hint ALSA lib pcm.c:2109:(snd_pcm_open_conf) Cannot open shared library /usr/lib/alsa-lib/libasound_module_pcm_empty.so on /usr/lib/alsa-lib i just have the smixer folder, and inside smixer: [EMAIL PROTECTED] /usr/lib/alsa-lib $ ls -la smixer/ total 72 drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 336 Dec 12 00:22 . drwxr-xr-x 3 root root72 Sep 13 16:07 .. -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 6788 Dec 12 00:22 smixer-ac97.a -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 866 Dec 12 00:22 smixer-ac97.la -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 7808 Dec 12 00:22 smixer-ac97.so -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 6788 Dec 12 00:22 smixer-hda.a -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 859 Dec 12 00:22 smixer-hda.la -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 7808 Dec 12 00:22 smixer-hda.so -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 11314 Dec 12 00:22 smixer-sbase.a -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 873 Dec 12 00:22 smixer-sbase.la -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 12480 Dec 12 00:22 smixer-sbase.so any hints? My guess is that something in the dependency tree was updated below either Firefox or Flash. My bet is on re-emerging Flash. Though that still may not fix the problem, that is where I'd start. Jigme Datse -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFFj5W0T1Yj9SYS4jYRArpGAKDHDyfglTMl0HZrFLeKLOBmkq1tpwCcCrey s3nrlskXz4PrvAvYQo0LGHk= =hJnQ -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] anti-portage wreckage?
On Mon, 25 Dec 2006 11:46:23 +0300, Mike Myers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I understand what you say, but I'm not sure I got my point across very well. Let's say I have a server that has various things installed like apache with the 2.0 branch, mysql with the 4.0 branch, and PHP with the 4.xbranch. If I do an emerge -u world on a machine with these, at some random point in time when the devs decide the newer branch is stable, then any one of these will be upgraded to the next branch. What I am asking, is why wouldn't it be better to have it where I will only stay on the current branch for that profile, and only move to the next branch when I change the profile? I do not see any linkage between a profile, which is actually just a set of use variables , and application versions since there is no version data in a profile. (Actually there is, like minimal package versions and required stage 1 packages, but adding maximum versions to profile will make it unusable for most users) That is, profile is not a branch. I also do not see how a branch can be created based on a profile or a snapshot of a portage tree. For example, if a server profile is being used, what PHP should be in the branch? Or, better, if I decide to install Qt on a server, which definitely does not have KDE, should it be 3 or 4? The only base for branch type versioning I see is the current set of installed packages. You want to update world and, at the same time, not to update anything. I can understand that if your goal is not to update world, as Portage thinks when you say -u world, but to install only bug and sequrity fixes, as Portage does if you mask pakeges properly. As far as I remember, according to this list some work to treat sequrity updates differently is under way. As for bug fixes, I do not see how they can be separated from features. I feel that what you call branch Portage often calls slot. For example, PHP is slotted, so that if you have PHP 4 and PHP 5 is being installed, your 4 does not go away. As for ebuilds going modular, I beleive that each case is to be treated separately. For example, KDE is going modular now. For 3, both modular and monolithic ebuilds are maintained, for 4 - only modular ones. No problems at all, right? I still do not see that any changes to portage are necessary. My guess is that your request can be formulated as a set of requests like - this app is not slotted, it should be - I want a script that will examine my world and mask everything so that I can upgrade only the last 2 version numbers - I want another script to manage the masks set by the previous one I hope that will be easier for developers to understand. -- Andrei Gerasimenko -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] which mirror does emerge --sync chose? and why?
On Sunday 24 December 2006 21:57, Sven Köhler wrote: Hi, emerge --sync should sync with rsync.gentoo.org, to which many IP adresses (5 at the moment). Here's what host says: # host rsync.gentoo.org rsync.gentoo.org has address 129.79.6.73 rsync.gentoo.org has address 134.68.220.73 rsync.gentoo.org has address 134.68.220.74 rsync.gentoo.org has address 140.211.166.165 rsync.gentoo.org has address 64.127.121.98 The order of the adresses is random, when i rerun the command above. So i _would_ expect, that emerge --sync randomly choses on the the mirrors. But that is not true, and actually, on all my machines, emerge --sync uses always the 64.x.x.x mirror, and on the machine of a friend, it used always 129.x.x.x mirror - well, always is not true, but i run emerge --sync over and over again, and it did never try to use another one. So the thing is, that from my friend's DSL-connection, the server 129.x.x.x was unreachable, while the others were reachable. So we had to change the server manually in /etc/make.conf - but i don't understand, why emerge --sync used the one it was using, and why it didn't switch to one of the other ones. I do not understand/know how the choice of mirrors work either. I noticed that when I rsync from home I always hit the same mirror (first time). When I rsync from work (using the same laptop) I always hit a different specific mirror (again first time). BTW: Merry Christmas! Merry Christmas to all Gentooists! :) -- Regards, Mick pgpiv9OOCZTes.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] OT, but short
On Sunday 24 December 2006 23:04, Mike Myers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote about 'Re: [gentoo-user] OT, but short': On 12/23/06, Michael Sullivan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is anyone out there using Residential SBC/Yahoo DSL with dynamic DNS? I want to know if the ISP blocks incoming requests to your servers if you're not paying them the rate for a static IP... I'm using Residential SBC/Yahoo DSL and DynDNS and they don't block anything inbound. I guess since they're blocking Joe's traffic, it's sort of a hit or miss with SBC or Yahoo or ATT or whoever it is now. When I was on them, they blocked SMTP inbound and maybe (poor memory) 80 inbound. It's possible to run these services on other ports, but no guarantees that they won't use Layer 5-7 filtering to limit them. If you want to hast a reliable server, you have to get commercial-grade internet access and/or SDSL. FWIW, SDSL seems to provide the upstream requirements of a low-end service, and it not that expensive, *if* you can produce some income/donations for the service. -- If there's one thing we've established over the years, it's that the vast majority of our users don't have the slightest clue what's best for them in terms of package stability. -- Gentoo Developer Ciaran McCreesh pgpPqGu3Ubqaz.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Wrong dependencies to postgresql
On Sunday 24 December 2006 19:37, Enrico Weigelt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote about 'Re: [gentoo-user] Wrong dependencies to postgresql': First of all, thanks for responding, I was afraid we had lost another savvy bugzilla user to the lack of (or discontent with) response from the developers. * Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jakub is pretty bugzilla savvy, are you sure you bugs weren't closed for valid reasons? well, after some discussion @ gentoo-dev, it's now a little bit clearer: The bugs are not completely valid yet (but soon will be), since libpq (=8.0.8) is still buggy/incomplete (missing pg_config), so some packages may still need postgresql for building (not runtime). I supplied fixed ebuild to the -dev, but they told me they don't see what I'm fixing ;-o Heh, like I mentioned/alluded to in my previous posting, once a package it working, winnowing down the dependencies is sometimes not seen as productive. I sympathizes with your blight and would volunteer my system for chroot building were it not for my lack of time (etc.). Well, this issue is actually fixed in 8.0.9 (IMHO not completely stabelized yet, but soon), while introducing another, even worse at the same time: libpq-8.0.9 doesn't wanna play w/ postgresql=8.0.8, but postgresql-8.0.9 wants exactly libpq-8.0.9. So there's no clean way to solve this. Someone @ b.g.o suggested completely removing postgres+libpq and installing afresh, but that's an absolutely no-go for production systems (IMHO). Disabling deps for upgrade should work, but is unclean. Perhaps a dependency on '|| (=category/libpq-8.0.9 category/postgresql-8.0.9)' would be appropriate in this case. I believe that ordering should prefer the library instead of the whole RDBMS. In addition, a proper blocker should be added to libpq; I know it doesn't help automated upgrades move forward, but at least is stops them from blocking issues that *could* be problematic. My fixed ebuild should fit into the gap by adding pg_config to libpq (overwriting the one from postgresql) and changing the postgresql ebuild to be satisfied w/ this libpq version. Hrm, sounds as if you want a single file to be provided by two packages. This is not the Gentoo way. In Debian, we have the alternatives interface; in gentoo, it's assumed you manage such symlinks with either eselect or manually. If the pg_configs are *different*, you should patch both libpq (to install pg_config as pg_config-libpq-$SLOT) and postgresql (to install pg_config as pg_config-postgresql-$SLOT) and provide an eslect module to choose the appropriate pg_config. If the pg_configs are *the same*, you should (a) add them to libpq and have postgresql depend on libqg--not installing it's own pg_config. or (b) have pg_config be it's own package, depended on by both libpq and postgresql. Sometime he does jump the gun though, Not only at me ? Some bit salving ;-) Oh yes. Particularly when marking bugs as duplicates. There were one or two recent out-of-tree kernel module bugs that he marked as duplicates of the generic kernel-2.6.18+ breaks sandbox bug that weren't actuallt duplicates. That said, Jakub is responsible for 50%+ of the hits to bugs.gentoo.org; he *is* for all intents and purposes the bugzilla manager. Normally, he's correct, but don't worry about respectfully disagreeing with him. He's still human and will make mistakes. But I had to learn filing bugs and talking @ -dev are just a waste my (rare+expensive) time. Perhaps your time is more valuable than mine, but I've never found reporting bugs to be a waste of time. Surely, patching the offending ebuild/source is better, but such patches should be attached to a bugs for the developers/other users to use as well. Lots of packages have an wrong/unnecessary dependency to postgresql. I don't doubt it. It's generally better to depend on too much rather than too little, and once things are working it's hard to get someone to fix it and run the risk of breaking it further. Wouldn't be such an problem w/ really cleanroom builds + tests from the first place. Seems, Gentoo isn't made for that. Well, there is a catalyst target for smokescreen/tinderbox building. I'm not sure of the quality but it is supposed to start from a clean image for each rebuild, and simply use the binary packages previously built. I'd assume it uses the ebuilds's test suite to verify post-install correctness, (yes, there is support for unit-sytle testing built into emerge) but I'm not sure the quality of those tests on libpq or postgresql. a) probably traditionally depended on the whole postgresql, maybe since before libpq was an own package. ie. qt, dovecot, ... Have you confirmed these actually compile just against libpg? I'm still in the process. The lack of automatic cleanroom builds requires me to install an minimal jail before each build. (most of my gentoo systems actually have
Re: [gentoo-user] anti-portage wreckage?
On Monday 25 December 2006 02:46, Mike Myers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote about 'Re: [gentoo-user] anti-portage wreckage?': I understand what you say, but I'm not sure I got my point across very well. Let's say I have a server that has various things installed like apache with the 2.0 branch, mysql with the 4.0 branch, and PHP with the 4.xbranch. If I do an emerge -u world on a machine with these, at some random point in time when the devs decide the newer branch is stable, then any one of these will be upgraded to the next branch. What I am asking, is why wouldn't it be better to have it where I will only stay on the current branch for that profile, and only move to the next branch when I change the profile? I would say... Move to Debian. Gentoo dosen't have fixed branches (we have a live tree) even profiles don't fix much, generally minimal (not maximal) version numbers. Debian, will make sure that upgrades to your (e.g.) sarge mysql package are either ABI compatible, or tied to other upgrades that move the ABI all at the same time. This generally make Debian (and to a lesser extent Ubuntu) quite stable once installed. Gentoo is different. By default, Gentoo marks packages as working (stable), testing (~arch), or non-working (masked by package.mask) and lets the user control the version(s) they want to use on their specific system (rather than being attached to a profile) with the local /etc/portage/package.mask (and package.keywords and package.unmask etc.). If you decide that mysql 4 is what you want to stick with as long as gentoo will support it, there stick something like 'category/mysql-4*' or '=category/mysql-5*' into your package.mask. emerge will then stop whenever it wants newer mysql. -- If there's one thing we've established over the years, it's that the vast majority of our users don't have the slightest clue what's best for them in terms of package stability. -- Gentoo Developer Ciaran McCreesh pgpy4YVHIgnVR.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] anti-portage wreckage?
On Monday 25 December 2006 04:48, Andrey Gerasimenko [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote about 'Re: [gentoo-user] anti-portage wreckage?': You want to update world and, at the same time, not to update anything. I can understand that if your goal is not to update world, as Portage thinks when you say -u world, but to install only bug and sequrity fixes, as Portage does if you mask pakeges properly. Well, if you put some work into defining exactly what package versions would want installed. As far as I remember, according to this list some work to treat sequrity updates differently is under way. As for bug fixes, I do not see how they can be separated from features. glsa-check from gentoolkit(?) should tell you exactly what packages to mask/upgrade to get security fixes, while bug fixes are currently handled exactly the same way a feature additions (generally upstream doesn't differentiate between these two changes either -- sometimes the y in x.y.z is for feature additions (with the z for bug fixes) but this isn't really consistent). Gentoo-specific bug fixes are either an in-place change to the ebuild (no version bump) or a bump of the revision (-r1) number, which is independent of upstream (and should nearly universally be installed). -- If there's one thing we've established over the years, it's that the vast majority of our users don't have the slightest clue what's best for them in terms of package stability. -- Gentoo Developer Ciaran McCreesh pgppxdwkbgEBK.pgp Description: PGP signature
[gentoo-user] gentoo and proxy variable
Hi, Where is it most appropriate to set ftp_proxy and http_proxy environment variables on Gentoo in order to use a proxy server with wget *when it is used by emerge from a cron job*? I want to make an emerge --fetchonly cron job which downloads through a squid server. Actually the ftp_proxy variable is important in this case because the whole traffic on port 80 is transparently redirected to the proxy. -- Best regards, Daniel -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] gentoo and proxy variable
On Monday 25 December 2006 12:24, Daniel Iliev wrote: Where is it most appropriate to set ftp_proxy and http_proxy environment variables on Gentoo in order to use a proxy server with wget *when it is used by emerge from a cron job*? I want to make an emerge --fetchonly cron job which downloads through a squid server. Actually the ftp_proxy variable is important in this case because the whole traffic on port 80 is transparently redirected to the proxy. /etc/make.conf It's sourced as a bash script. -- Mike Williams -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] gentoo and proxy variable
Mike Williams wrote: On Monday 25 December 2006 12:24, Daniel Iliev wrote: Where is it most appropriate to set ftp_proxy and http_proxy environment variables on Gentoo in order to use a proxy server with wget *when it is used by emerge from a cron job*? I want to make an emerge --fetchonly cron job which downloads through a squid server. Actually the ftp_proxy variable is important in this case because the whole traffic on port 80 is transparently redirected to the proxy. /etc/make.conf It's sourced as a bash script. Thanks a lot! That will do the job for emerge. What if I want to schedule some other downloading with cron? -- Best regards, Daniel -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Batch resizing of photos
On Sunday 24 December 2006 21:05, Canek Peláez wrote: On 12/24/06, Mick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi All, I have a load of photos which I would like to resize running some sort of ImageMagick batch command; e.g. If you manage your photos with F-Spot, there is a cool utility to export your photos to a directory, scaling them in the way if you want to. The directory could be any GNOME VFS URI, so it works with remote directories too. The photos all preserve the EXIF information, which is very cool. Thanks. It looks pretty cool indeed, but I only have a few KDE apps on this machine and no Gnome libraries. The script that ES provided does the job nicely. -- Regards, Mick pgprRF9sue3OZ.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: emacs shell color question
On Mon, 25 Dec 2006 01:00:31 -0600 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: David Relson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: G'day, I habitually run emacs shell sessions. When I forget the --color options, for example for the ls and emerge commands, the shell session displays the ascii escape sequences which is pretty ugly. Is there an option for telling emacs to handle escape sequences? Does the problem persist if you use `eshell' instead of shell? (M-x eshell RET) yes. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] gentoo and proxy variable
On Monday 25 December 2006 14:23, Daniel Iliev wrote: That will do the job for emerge. What if I want to schedule some other downloading with cron? Can't you just use a bash script that sets the variables and then runs the download (wget)? Something like $ cat download.sh #!/bin/bash export ftp_proxy=ftp.proxy.tld export http_proxy=http.proxy.tld wget url and then schedule download.sh to be run by cron? -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] [SOLVED] gentoo and proxy variable
Daniel Iliev wrote: Mike Williams wrote: On Monday 25 December 2006 12:24, Daniel Iliev wrote: Where is it most appropriate to set ftp_proxy and http_proxy environment variables on Gentoo in order to use a proxy server with wget *when it is used by emerge from a cron job*? I want to make an emerge --fetchonly cron job which downloads through a squid server. Actually the ftp_proxy variable is important in this case because the whole traffic on port 80 is transparently redirected to the proxy. /etc/make.conf It's sourced as a bash script. Thanks a lot! That will do the job for emerge. What if I want to schedule some other downloading with cron? grep -in proxy /etc/make.conf.example 144:# If you need to set a proxy for wget or lukemftp, add the appropriate export 145:# ftp_proxy=proxy and export http_proxy=proxy lines to /etc/profile if So it appears /etc/profile is the appropriate file. -- Best regards, Daniel -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] spamassassin + razor - learning
Hi folks, I've set up spamassassin + razor on one host, which is accessed from some other host via spamc. Is it possible to learn/report-to razor via spamc, too ? cu -- - Enrico Weigelt== metux IT service - http://www.metux.de/ - Please visit the OpenSource QM Taskforce: http://wiki.metux.de/public/OpenSource_QM_Taskforce Patches / Fixes for a lot dozens of packages in dozens of versions: http://patches.metux.de/ - -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] emerge console colours
Andrew Gaydenko wrote: Where do they defined? Not sure if this is what you are looking for or not. Maybe here: /etc/bash/bashrc. The PS1= line is what sets up some of it, prompt part. I think the rest is done here: /etc/DIR_COLORS Hope that helps. Dale :-) :-) :-) -- www.myspace.com/dalek1967 -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] gentoo and proxy variable
On 25 December 2006 15:23, Daniel Iliev wrote: Mike Williams wrote: On Monday 25 December 2006 12:24, Daniel Iliev wrote: Where is it most appropriate to set ftp_proxy and http_proxy environment variables on Gentoo in order to use a proxy server with wget *when it is used by emerge from a cron job*? I want to make an emerge --fetchonly cron job which downloads through a squid server. Actually the ftp_proxy variable is important in this case because the whole traffic on port 80 is transparently redirected to the proxy. /etc/make.conf It's sourced as a bash script. Thanks a lot! That will do the job for emerge. What if I want to schedule some other downloading with cron? ~/.bashrc -- A fast and easy generator of fractals for KDE: http://www.SysEx.com.na/iwy-1.0.tar.bz2 -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] [SOLVED] gentoo and proxy variable
On Monday 25 December 2006 15:02, Daniel Iliev wrote: grep -in proxy /etc/make.conf.example 144:# If you need to set a proxy for wget or lukemftp, add the appropriate export 145:# ftp_proxy=proxy and export http_proxy=proxy lines to /etc/profile if So it appears /etc/profile is the appropriate file. I'm not sure that a cron job can see the variables set by /etc/profile. IIRC, even PATH is unavailable to cron jobs. Only a few predefined variables are set ($HOME, $SHELL and a few others which I don't recall now). -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] emerge console colours
On 25 December 2006 18:51, Andrew Gaydenko wrote: Where do they defined? Isn't it /etc/DIR_COLORS? Uwe -- A fast and easy generator of fractals for KDE: http://www.SysEx.com.na/iwy-1.0.tar.bz2 -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] gentoo and proxy variable
On Monday 25 December 2006 07:23, Daniel Iliev [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote about 'Re: [gentoo-user] gentoo and proxy variable': That will do the job for emerge. What if I want to schedule some other downloading with cron? man 5 crontab -- If there's one thing we've established over the years, it's that the vast majority of our users don't have the slightest clue what's best for them in terms of package stability. -- Gentoo Developer Ciaran McCreesh pgpKLyWjYbm3y.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] emerge console colours
On Monday 25 December 2006 10:51, Andrew Gaydenko [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote about '[gentoo-user] emerge console colours': Where do they [colors for emerge] defined? In the portage source, IIRC. They may be configurable in recent versions, but I do not recall any documentation for them. -- If there's one thing we've established over the years, it's that the vast majority of our users don't have the slightest clue what's best for them in terms of package stability. -- Gentoo Developer Ciaran McCreesh pgpfI7l72LHPl.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] [SOLVED] gentoo and proxy variable
On 25 December 2006 20:31, Etaoin Shrdlu wrote: On Monday 25 December 2006 15:02, Daniel Iliev wrote: grep -in proxy /etc/make.conf.example 144:# If you need to set a proxy for wget or lukemftp, add the appropriate export 145:# ftp_proxy=proxy and export http_proxy=proxy lines to /etc/profile if So it appears /etc/profile is the appropriate file. I'm not sure that a cron job can see the variables set by /etc/profile. IIRC, even PATH is unavailable to cron jobs. Only a few predefined variables are set ($HOME, $SHELL and a few others which I don't recall now). So make the cronjob itself a shell script and set the variable in that script! Uwe -- A fast and easy generator of fractals for KDE: http://www.SysEx.com.na/iwy-1.0.tar.bz2 -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] [SOLVED] gentoo and proxy variable
Etaoin Shrdlu wrote: On Monday 25 December 2006 15:02, Daniel Iliev wrote: grep -in proxy /etc/make.conf.example 144:# If you need to set a proxy for wget or lukemftp, add the appropriate export 145:# ftp_proxy=proxy and export http_proxy=proxy lines to /etc/profile if So it appears /etc/profile is the appropriate file. I'm not sure that a cron job can see the variables set by /etc/profile. IIRC, even PATH is unavailable to cron jobs. Only a few predefined variables are set ($HOME, $SHELL and a few others which I don't recall now). It sounds logical and I think the vars available to cron are in /etc/crontab. There remains the other solution - to set the vars from the same script which runs wget. ;-) Thank you very much! -- Best regards, Daniel -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] [SOLVED] gentoo and proxy variable
On Monday 25 December 2006 19:19, Uwe Thiem wrote: So make the cronjob itself a shell script and set the variable in that script! Yes, that's what I said two posts above :-) -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] emerge console colours
Andrew Gaydenko wrote: Where do they defined? http://gentoo-wiki.com/TIP_Remap_Portage_Colors -- Best regards, Daniel -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] anti-portage wreckage?
On 12/24/06, Mike Myers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Please tell me there's some solution to this? I haven't seen one mentioned anywhere yet. Even with Gentoo's occasional problems, I like it too much to use any other distro but I'd definitely like to see better version management than what its got, which is none. The ideal solution to this would be released tree versions...so you could use the 2006.1 tree instead of the live development tree. Note that profiles wouldn't help much here, as then the profile would have to contain a list of all the possible packages that can be installed with the relevant versions. And it creates a lot of complications for package removals, additions, etc. But to have a snapshot of the tree to which only security or other minor fixes would be applied would be ideal for the problem you describe. The usual argument against this is that most devs prefer working on the live tree. Having to maintain a released tree and backport fixes to it would take time away from things they would rather be doing (like working on new cool stuff). The fear is that the released trees could have serious security holes in them that might never get fixed. But in fact this has been discussed many times among devs. For the most recent discussion, search the gentoo-dev mail list archives for Versioning the tree (and ignore the flames). I haven't reviewed the discussion, but as I recall a couple of devs may be working on making this a reality, possibly for the 2007.X releases. -Richard -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Kernel Config Manager
On 12/23/06, Dale [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If he has that enabled in the kernel. That can be a good thing to have around though. Especially if you accidentally erase your old config. It is also very useful for being able to check the configuration of the kernel you are _actually_ running, vs what you _think_ you are running! :-) -Richard -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] anti-portage wreckage?
Oh, nice! Thanks for that info! BTW, I was only referring to the profiles since it was the closest thing to 'releases' that Gentoo has. Whatever tool used to do it would be arbitrary as long as it worked. Although, wouldn't it be easier to just mask major updates in the profile? Like say =application-4.1 when the profile is using 3.0? That way the smaller updates for 'application 3.0' could get through. This is assuming that a specific tree version is being used I guess, but why would that be so hard? On 12/25/06, Richard Fish [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 12/24/06, Mike Myers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Please tell me there's some solution to this? I haven't seen one mentioned anywhere yet. Even with Gentoo's occasional problems, I like it too much to use any other distro but I'd definitely like to see better version management than what its got, which is none. The ideal solution to this would be released tree versions...so you could use the 2006.1 tree instead of the live development tree. Note that profiles wouldn't help much here, as then the profile would have to contain a list of all the possible packages that can be installed with the relevant versions. And it creates a lot of complications for package removals, additions, etc. But to have a snapshot of the tree to which only security or other minor fixes would be applied would be ideal for the problem you describe. The usual argument against this is that most devs prefer working on the live tree. Having to maintain a released tree and backport fixes to it would take time away from things they would rather be doing (like working on new cool stuff). The fear is that the released trees could have serious security holes in them that might never get fixed. But in fact this has been discussed many times among devs. For the most recent discussion, search the gentoo-dev mail list archives for Versioning the tree (and ignore the flames). I haven't reviewed the discussion, but as I recall a couple of devs may be working on making this a reality, possibly for the 2007.X releases. -Richard -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] managing a sandisk sansa
hello, The kids got a sandisk sansa so I was looking for an easy graphical system where they could use the family gentoo box to download music and access any other feature, via a gui. I use KDE but a gnome app would be OK too. After googling for a while all I see are snippets where folks say they use 'amarok' but no details, wiki or such? Any recommendations to keep this simple, would be appreciated. tia, murry, christmas James -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] PDF Editor
Pavel, I have tried that ebuild (with patch) and got linking error shown below. Andrew __ ../xpdf/xpdf/libxpdf.a(GlobalParams.o): In function `GlobalParams::GlobalParams(char*)': GlobalParams.cc:(.text+0x4277): undefined reference to `paperinit' GlobalParams.cc:(.text+0x427c): undefined reference to `systempapername' GlobalParams.cc:(.text+0x428c): undefined reference to `paperinfo' GlobalParams.cc:(.text+0x4296): undefined reference to `paperpswidth' GlobalParams.cc:(.text+0x42af): undefined reference to `paperpsheight' GlobalParams.cc:(.text+0x42c5): undefined reference to `paperdone' ../xpdf/xpdf/libxpdf.a(GlobalParams.o): In function `GlobalParams::GlobalParams(char*)': GlobalParams.cc:(.text+0x4a7f): undefined reference to `paperinit' GlobalParams.cc:(.text+0x4a84): undefined reference to `systempapername' GlobalParams.cc:(.text+0x4a94): undefined reference to `paperinfo' GlobalParams.cc:(.text+0x4a9e): undefined reference to `paperpswidth' GlobalParams.cc:(.text+0x4ab7): undefined reference to `paperpsheight' GlobalParams.cc:(.text+0x4acd): undefined reference to `paperdone' collect2: ld returned 1 exit status make[2]: *** [pdfedit] Error 1 hi, this bug should be fixed now. you can find 0.2.3 version in sunrise overlay. pavel -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Batch resizing of photos
On Sun, 24 Dec 2006 13:25:39 +0100, Etaoin Shrdlu wrote:
if you don't want to keep the original images, then it's simpler:
for i in *.jpeg; do
convert -resize WxH ${i} ${i}.resized
mv ${i}.resized ${i} # caution: overwrites original file
done
If the convert command fails, the original file will still be overwritten
with a possibly empty output file. A safer option is:
for i in *.jpeg; do
convert -resize WxH ${i} ${i}.resized mv ${i}.resized ${i} # caution:
overwrites original file
done
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Re: [gentoo-user] [Somewhat OT] Backup software for CDs.
On Sun, 24 Dec 2006 15:34:40 +0200, Uwe Thiem wrote: OK, so skip /proc, /sys and /dev then? I need to do some reading I guess, if it ever gets it downloaded that is. Yes, you can skip them. /tmp as well, but you have to create the empty directory after restoration. Same for /dev. I am nott too sure about /sys and /proc - at least, it doesn't hurt to create them. That's why I suggested the --one-filesystem option with tar (the dar equivalent is --no-mount-points --empty-dir). This archives only the specified filesystem, which includes the mount points, but not anything mounted on them. So /dev, /proc, /sys and anything else, including anything mounted under /mnt or /media, are automatically skipped. -- Neil Bothwick Top Oxymorons Number 1: Microsoft Works signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] anti-portage wreckage?
On Monday 25 December 2006 14:09, Mike Myers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote about 'Re: [gentoo-user] anti-portage wreckage?': I understand the portage system enough to mask the packages I don't want, but then there's the problem of other updates requiring that package. Well, either (a) the new version is required, so you'll have to upgrade to the other package as well or (b) a developer was sloppy with dependencies, and you need to file a bug to change them. Anyways, all I'm essentially asking for is a way to separate minor updates from major updates. With some of the advanced atom operators (particularly '*' and '~'), you should be able to specify exactly what level of masking you want. I believe this is documented in 'man ebuild' but I'm not sure; 'man portage' is a decent place to start your search for the atom syntax you need. You could also make your own profile that does cap packges at a certain version and have it's parent be an established profile, although I'm not sure that bit of portage hackery is supported. PS: A: Because it reverses the order of the conversation. Q: Why is top-posting so annoying? A: Top-posting. Q: What's the most annoying thing on newsgroups and mailing lists. -- If there's one thing we've established over the years, it's that the vast majority of our users don't have the slightest clue what's best for them in terms of package stability. -- Gentoo Developer Ciaran McCreesh pgpPPAe20baUL.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] managing a sandisk sansa
On Monday 25 December 2006 20:54, James wrote: hello, The kids got a sandisk sansa so I was looking for an easy graphical system where they could use the family gentoo box to download music and access any other feature, via a gui. I use KDE but a gnome app would be OK too. After googling for a while all I see are snippets where folks say they use 'amarok' but no details, wiki or such? Any recommendations to keep this simple, would be appreciated. I don't have this hardware, but as long as you have hal dbus-daemon running Amarok should pick it up and popup when you plug it in. Can't get any simpler than that. -- Regards, Mick pgppbjmzjXFZK.pgp Description: PGP signature
[gentoo-user] Re: Batch resizing of photos
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if you don't want to keep the original images, then it's simpler:
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for i in *.jpeg; do
convert -resize WxH ${i} ${i}.resized
mv ${i}.resized ${i} # caution: overwrites original file
done
If the convert command fails, the original file will still be overwritten
with a possibly empty output file. A safer option is:
for i in *.jpeg; do
convert -resize WxH ${i} ${i}.resized mv ${i}.resized ${i} # cauti=
on: overwrites original file
done
You guys are making things too complicated. As someboyd else
suggested, use mogrify. Or just tell convert to write to the
same filename, and it'll do the right thing:
for i in *.jpeg; do
convert resize WxH ${i} ${i}
done
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[gentoo-user] Re: emacs shell color question
David Relson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Mon, 25 Dec 2006 01:00:31 -0600 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: David Relson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: G'day, I habitually run emacs shell sessions. When I forget the --color options, for example for the ls and emerge commands, the shell session displays the ascii escape sequences which is pretty ugly. Is there an option for telling emacs to handle escape sequences? Does the problem persist if you use `eshell' instead of shell? (M-x eshell RET) There is an ansi mode that is made to hand escape sequences but that should not be necessary. All recent emacs just work. That makes me think it is something in your environment. To get expert help I suggest you post on gnu.emacs.help Or on gmane.emacs.help (same list). -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] anti-portage wreckage?
On 12/25/06, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Monday 25 December 2006 14:09, Mike Myers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote about 'Re: [gentoo-user] anti-portage wreckage?': I understand the portage system enough to mask the packages I don't want, but then there's the problem of other updates requiring that package. Well, either (a) the new version is required, so you'll have to upgrade to the other package as well or (b) a developer was sloppy with dependencies, and you need to file a bug to change them. Anyways, all I'm essentially asking for is a way to separate minor updates from major updates. With some of the advanced atom operators (particularly '*' and '~'), you should be able to specify exactly what level of masking you want. I believe this is documented in 'man ebuild' but I'm not sure; 'man portage' is a decent place to start your search for the atom syntax you need. You could also make your own profile that does cap packges at a certain version and have it's parent be an established profile, although I'm not sure that bit of portage hackery is supported. I know these things could be done, but I don't really think it's worth it. The problem is that these kinds of solutions don't scale very well.. they don't really scale at all really. If I have to reinstall for whatever reason, then I have to redo all this hackery, as you put it, heh. In any case, this is still a bit of a reactive approach, since I have to be aware that there may be a problem with a particular update before I know to mask it. I really like the idea of the tree version thing though. I'll see if there's anything I can do to support that. PS: A: Because it reverses the order of the conversation. Q: Why is top-posting so annoying? A: Top-posting. Q: What's the most annoying thing on newsgroups and mailing lists. PS: Noted! Sorry :P
[gentoo-user] VFS: Cannot open root device hda6 or unknown-block(3,6)
Hi gang, I have a laptop, originally with Windows. I partitioned the windows space, and installed Gentoo. Fine and well. Then I replaced the original hard drive with a new one, and moved the windoze/Gentoo drive to a USB enclosure. I changed the drive specs from hda0,x to hda1,x, and attempted to boot Gentoo in single user mode, by appending a 1 to the GRUB string. That seemed to work, but eventually the process fails with the: VFS: Cannot open root device hda6 or unknown-block(3,6) message above. Googling about tells me that perhaps the SCSI or the USB subsystems may not be loaded, and that is why the boot process fails. One recommendation was the change the /dev/hdaX notation for the device numerical notation, ie root=0x802. Now, I have not (quickly) found the numerical notation, although I did encounter it once upon a time previously. Does this seem like the correct approach? If so, what would be the correct notation for the second drive? As I recall, 0x800 was a SCSI notation? My GRUB is: default 0 timeout 8 splashimage=(hd1,5)/boot/grub/splash.xpm.gz title Gentoo Linux 2.6.15 root (hd1,5) kernel /boot/linux-2.6.15-gentoo-r1 root=/dev/hda6 title Windows root (hd1,0) makeactive chainloader +1 title Failsafe -- Gentoo Linux 2.6.12 kernel (hd1,5)/boot/vmlinuz root=/dev/hda6 showopts ide=nodma apm=off acpi=off vga=nor mal noresume selinux=0 barrier=off nosmp noapic maxcpus=0 3 initrd (hd1,5)/boot/initrd and all I have really done is change hd1,X, where originally I had hda0,X... I would also like to be able to boot into windoze, and currently all it does is return to the GRUB menu, so clearly something isn't right... Thank you, Bruce -- I like bad! Bruce BurdenAustin, TX. - Thuganlitha The Power and the Prophet Robert Don Hughes -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] [SOLVED] gentoo and proxy variable
On 25 December 2006 21:18, Etaoin Shrdlu wrote: On Monday 25 December 2006 19:19, Uwe Thiem wrote: So make the cronjob itself a shell script and set the variable in that script! Yes, that's what I said two posts above :-) Only, I sent mine 4 hours before you. At times, it takes quite a while until my message show up. ;-) Uwe -- A fast and easy generator of fractals for KDE: http://www.SysEx.com.na/iwy-1.0.tar.bz2 -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] VFS: Cannot open root device hda6 or unknown-block(3,6)
Bruce Burden wrote: title Gentoo Linux 2.6.15 root (hd1,5) kernel /boot/linux-2.6.15-gentoo-r1 root=/dev/hda6 Thank you, Bruce Shouldn't you have changed the root= line to hdb instead of hda? Not sure, but worth looking at. Dale :-) :-) :-) -- www.myspace.com/dalek1967 -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
