[gentoo-user] Re: Re: star

2007-09-26 Thread Alexander Skwar
Neil Bothwick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 On Tue, 25 Sep 2007 15:34:41 +0200, Alexander Skwar wrote:
 
 What does this have to do with GNU tar and it adding superflous
 options? Quite a lot. -j et.al. are non-standard options. If a
 (badly written) script relies on the presence of -j, this script
 won't work with a POSIX compliant tar
 
 The script is only badly written if it is supposed to be POSIX
 compliant. Additional features can enhance a program 

Given that we're talking about use of non-standard options present
only in GNU tar vs. easily accessible standard compliant ways
of solving the same problem: No, a script is badly written, if it
makes use of non-standard options.

 and make scripts 
 using it more readable/efficient/compact, providing the environment does
 not require POSIX-compliance. e.g. portage can use tar-specific
 enhancements if tar is in system on all profiles.

Yes, it's very bad that Gentoo scripts don't limit themselves to 
POSIX. Another windmill to fight against.

Alexander Skwar

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Re: [gentoo-user] OT: howto setup vsftpd and virtual hosts by NAME not by IP

2007-09-26 Thread Crayon Shin Chan
On Wednesday 26 September 2007, Daevid Vincent wrote:

 the example /usr/share/doc/vsftpd-2.0.5-r3/examples/VIRTUAL_HOSTS only
 talks about how to do this with separate IP addresses, is there a way
 to have ftp.daevid.com and ftp.company.com all work from the same
 server IP but have different configs, users, directories?

You can't do virtual hosting using domain names in ftp - unlike http, ftp 
doesn't support it. The best you can do is when different users login 
they see a different section of the directory tree.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Is this drive toast?

2007-09-26 Thread Neil Bothwick
Hello Dan Farrell,

 Seagate's customer service I've never dealt with.  I just send in the
 drive, and a working one comes back in 60 days or so.

That is customer service, albeit rather slow service. IBM replaced a
faulty Deathstar drive in less than two weeks.


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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Re: star

2007-09-26 Thread Neil Bothwick
Hello Alexander Skwar,

 Yes, it's very bad that Gentoo scripts don't limit themselves to 
 POSIX. Another windmill to fight against.

Artificially limiting yourself to the lowest common denominator when
better options are available is bad, and discourages evolution. POSIX
specifies the minimum set of options and features, not the maximum. As
long as the standards aren't broken, nothing is wrong, and adding new,
useful and compatible features is one way that standards get improved.


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[gentoo-user] OO save error with 2.3

2007-09-26 Thread W.Kenworthy
On up grading to openoffice 2.3 (src), I have problems saving passworded
odt documents.
error dialog contents are: Error saving the document doc_name, Error
writing file.

I can save it two or three times then the error message pops up.  And I
have heaps of disk space so thats not the problem.

Am I the only on seeing this?
Is it a:
gentoo,
openoffice, or
my problem ?

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[gentoo-user] Re: star

2007-09-26 Thread Alexander Skwar
Neil Bothwick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hello Alexander Skwar,
 
 Yes, it's very bad that Gentoo scripts don't limit themselves to
 POSIX. Another windmill to fight against.
 
 Artificially limiting yourself to the lowest common denominator when
 better options are available is bad, and discourages evolution.

Well, depends.

Making use of non standard options when standard compliant
options are avialable, is no-good evolution. It very much
tastes of the way Microsoft handles standards. Eg. have a
look at how MS treated Java or HTML (granted, Netscape wasn't
much better either).

Back to tar: Why use tar -j in scripts, when bzip2 | tar
does the same thing? I very much disagree that tar -j is
the better option here; in fact, I'd say that bzip2 | tar
is the better option, as it works on a lot more systems than
tar -j does. Heck, tar -j even does not work on all GNU
tar implementations, as very old GNU tars don't have bzip2
support at all and -j wasn't always used for bzip2.

 POSIX 
 specifies the minimum set of options and features, not the maximum. As
 long as the standards aren't broken, nothing is wrong, and adding new,
 useful and compatible features is one way that standards get improved.

No, it's not. To improve a standard, you make sure that the standard
gets amended and then you implement something. Not the other way around.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: star

2007-09-26 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Wed, 26 Sep 2007 10:14:58 +0200, Alexander Skwar wrote:

 Back to tar: Why use tar -j in scripts, when bzip2 | tar
 does the same thing? I very much disagree that tar -j is
 the better option here;

Either way requires that you first determine the type of compression used
before you can decide where to pipe tar's output, if at all. Whereas
something like tar xf somefile avoids the need to do file somefile
and parse the output first.

 in fact, I'd say that bzip2 | tar
 is the better option, as it works on a lot more systems than
 tar -j does. Heck, tar -j even does not work on all GNU
 tar implementations, as very old GNU tars don't have bzip2
 support at all and -j wasn't always used for bzip2.

If you don't know the details of the platform running your script, you
should of course stick to POSIX, which tar can do fine. But if your
script in running in an environment you control, why not make use of more
efficient methods?


  POSIX 
  specifies the minimum set of options and features, not the maximum. As
  long as the standards aren't broken, nothing is wrong, and adding new,
  useful and compatible features is one way that standards get
  improved.  
 
 No, it's not. To improve a standard, you make sure that the standard
 gets amended and then you implement something. Not the other way around.

That's not how evolution works. Things are tried, some (most) fall by the
wayside and others are accepted. As long as you don't break the standard
with your enhancements, where's the harm in improvement? I know car
analogies are tired, but it's like arguing that all cars should be
designed to meet the minimum standards required by law, and if the law
doesn't stipulate air conditioning, we don't need it - that example is
usually true here in the UK :(


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[gentoo-user] Re: Re: star

2007-09-26 Thread Alexander Skwar
Neil Bothwick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 On Wed, 26 Sep 2007 10:14:58 +0200, Alexander Skwar wrote:
 
 Back to tar: Why use tar -j in scripts, when bzip2 | tar
 does the same thing? I very much disagree that tar -j is
 the better option here;
 
 Either way requires that you first determine the type of compression used
 before you can decide where to pipe tar's output, if at all. Whereas
 something like tar xf somefile avoids the need to do file somefile
 and parse the output first.

Pardon? tar xf somefile doesn't do any compression at all.
I don't get what you mean.

 in fact, I'd say that bzip2 | tar
 is the better option, as it works on a lot more systems than
 tar -j does. Heck, tar -j even does not work on all GNU
 tar implementations, as very old GNU tars don't have bzip2
 support at all and -j wasn't always used for bzip2.
 
 If you don't know the details of the platform running your script, you
 should of course stick to POSIX, which tar can do fine.

No, GNU tar is not completely POSIX compliant. The files it creates
don't completely comply to the standard. But that's another story.

 But if your 
 script in running in an environment you control, why not make use of more
 efficient methods?

If there are more efficient methods: Maybe. But if the non standard
options aren't more efficient, why use them at all? tar -j is a
good example here: Internally, tar invokes the external bzip2 
command. So with tar | bzip2 vs. tar -j, both are equally
efficient.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Re: star

2007-09-26 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Wed, 26 Sep 2007 10:45:51 +0200, Alexander Skwar wrote:

  Either way requires that you first determine the type of compression
  used before you can decide where to pipe tar's output, if at all.
  Whereas something like tar xf somefile avoids the need to do file
  somefile and parse the output first.  
 
 Pardon? tar xf somefile doesn't do any compression at all.
 I don't get what you mean.

No, but it does do whatever decompression is required. Of course, you do
have to specify a compression method when creating a compressed archive.


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Re: [gentoo-user] OO save error with 2.3

2007-09-26 Thread Pongracz Istvan
For me, ooffice 2.3 (bin) cannot detect java environment.
I setup system-vm and user-vm too.

What if, java is required with save with password, but you also have no
java?

Cheers,
István

2007. 09. 26, szerda keltezéssel 15.58-kor W.Kenworthy ezt írta:
 On up grading to openoffice 2.3 (src), I have problems saving passworded
 odt documents.
 error dialog contents are: Error saving the document doc_name, Error
 writing file.
 
 I can save it two or three times then the error message pops up.  And I
 have heaps of disk space so thats not the problem.
 
 Am I the only on seeing this?
 Is it a:
 gentoo,
 openoffice, or
 my problem ?
 
 BillK
 
 
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Re: [gentoo-user] xine - no sound on DVDs - solved (sort of)

2007-09-26 Thread Michael Schreckenbauer
Hi,

Am Dienstag, 25. September 2007 23:24:27 schrieb Mark Knecht:
 On 9/25/07, Michael Schreckenbauer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Hi Mark,
 
  Am Mittwoch, 19. September 2007 schrieb Mark Knecht:
   Hi,
  Message is to Randy and others that have been helping me with my
   audio problems with xine. This evening I discovered the root cause of
   the problem of no sound when playing DVDs in xine. Unfortunately I
   don't have a good solution yet. Maybe someone knows how to fix this at
   the command line?
  OK, xine does produce sound, but this machine has  multiple sound
   cards and it's choosing the one that goes to the home theater system,
   not the PC's sound card:
 
  maybe I missed that one in this thread, but did you look at xine's
  audio-configuration?
  Could you post the output of grep audio .xine/config here?
 
  Regards,
  Michael

 Hi Michael,
Thanks for taking a look. Let me know if you see anything or want more
 info.

 Cheers,
 Mark

afaik those are all default values, except audio.alsa_hw_mixer:0.
I don't think, that's a problem.
Does xine play every sound through the wrong device or only DVDs (5.1)?
Maybe there's a stale asoundrc in your home, somehow 
redirecting plug:surround51:0 to the second device?

I'm out of ideas now, it seems :(

Regards,
Michael


 dragonfly mark # cat .xine/config | grep audio
 #gui.post_audio_plugin:goom
 #gui.audio_mixer_method:Sound card
 audio.alsa_hw_mixer:0
 # audio driver to use
 #audio.driver:auto
 #audio.a52.dynamic_range:0
 # downmix audio to 2 channel surround stereo
 #audio.a52.surround_downmix:0
 #audio.a52.level:100
 #audio.device.alsa_default_device:default
 #audio.device.alsa_front_device:plug:front:default
 #audio.device.alsa_mixer_name:PCM
 #audio.device.alsa_mmap_enable:0
 #audio.device.alsa_passthrough_device:iec958:AES0=0x6,AES1=0x82,AES2=0x0,AE
S3=0x2 #audio.device.alsa_surround40_device:plug:surround40:0
 #audio.device.alsa_surround51_device:plug:surround51:0
 #audio.output.speaker_arrangement:Stereo 2.0
 #audio.synchronization.passthrough_offset:0
 # play audio even on slow/fast speeds
 #audio.synchronization.slow_fast_audio:0
 # method to sync audio and video
 #audio.synchronization.av_sync_method:metronom feedback
 #audio.synchronization.force_rate:0
 #audio.synchronization.resample_mode:auto
 # startup audio volume
 #audio.volume.mixer_volume:50
 #audio.volume.remember_volume:0
 # device used for CD audio
 #media.audio_cd.device:/dev/cdrom
 #media.audio_cd.drive_slowdown:4
 #media.audio_cd.use_cddb:1
 #media.audio_cd.cddb_cachedir:/home/mark/.xine/cddbcache
 #media.audio_cd.cddb_port:8880
 #media.audio_cd.cddb_server:freedb.freedb.org
 # number of audio buffers
 #engine.buffers.audio_num_buffers:230
 # priority for dvaudio decoder
 #engine.decoder_priorities.dvaudio:0
 # priority for ffmpegaudio decoder
 #engine.decoder_priorities.ffmpegaudio:0
 dragonfly mark #


 dragonfly mark # uname -a
 Linux dragonfly 2.6.20-gentoo-r1 #4 SMP PREEMPT Tue May 15 06:22:55
 PDT 2007 i686 Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 3.00GHz GenuineIntel GNU/Linux
 dragonfly mark #

 dragonfly mark # cat /proc/asound/cards
  0 [ICH5   ]: ICH4 - Intel ICH5
   Intel ICH5 with ALC655 at 0xfa081000, irq 21
  1 [default]: USB-Audio - USB Audio CODEC
   Burr-Brown from TI   USB Audio CODEC
  at usb-:00:1d.1-1, full s
 dragonfly mark #

 dragonfly mark # cat /proc/asound/version
 Advanced Linux Sound Architecture Driver Version 1.0.14rc1 (Tue Jan 09
 09:56:17 2007 UTC).
 dragonfly mark #


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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: star

2007-09-26 Thread Michael Schreckenbauer
Am Mittwoch, 26. September 2007 00:26:51 schrieb b.n.:
 Michael Schreckenbauer ha scritto:
  Am Montag, 24. September 2007 schrieb Alexander Skwar:
  To keep GNU tar, you mean? Well, there's at least a reason to not ONLY
  have star: Star is made by Jörg Schilling, one of the biggest morons
  on the earth. Guess why some distributions no longer use cdrecord but
  switched to cdrkit?
 
  Keep your private rants offlist please. Your personal opinions on Jörg
  Schilling are completly irrelevant.

 I agree it was not a nice rant, but it's not an irrelevant opinion,
 because Schilling -let's say- idiosyncratic personality, has led, as
 Alexander pointed out, to the disapperance of cdrecord from most Linux
 distros and its substitution with cdrkit, for example.

and I for myself drop cdrkit in every place I find it and replace it with the 
imo working tool named cdrecord. 

 The problem is that of a tool that for licence etc. problems could be
 easily be dropped from a distribution. It's of a relatively unreliable
 developer (or, better stated, of unrealiable relationships between the
 dev and the community).

I have no problems at all with Jörg, quite the opposite.

 Given this, I would think twice before 
 substituting tar with a Schilling tool. The cdrecord scar is still painful.

Good programmers often have big egos. See Linus for an example. When will 
distributions drop the kernel, because Linus made bad comments about gnome, 
cups or some other random program?
The tool (star, cdrecord) works, is well supported and the programmer reacts 
in time to requests. What else do you expect?

 m.

Greetings,
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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Re: star

2007-09-26 Thread Bo Ørsted Andresen
On Wednesday 26 September 2007 10:59:00 Neil Bothwick wrote:
  Pardon? tar xf somefile doesn't do any compression at all.
  I don't get what you mean.

 No, but it does do whatever decompression is required. Of course, you do
 have to specify a compression method when creating a compressed archive.

Heh. unpack() doesn't even take advantage of that. It also doesn't use -j but 
it does use z to decompress tar.gz files.. ;)

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[gentoo-user] Re: Re: Re: star

2007-09-26 Thread Alexander Skwar
Neil Bothwick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 On Wed, 26 Sep 2007 10:45:51 +0200, Alexander Skwar wrote:
 
  Either way requires that you first determine the type of compression
  used before you can decide where to pipe tar's output, if at all.
  Whereas something like tar xf somefile avoids the need to do file
  somefile and parse the output first.
 
 Pardon? tar xf somefile doesn't do any compression at all.
 I don't get what you mean.
 
 No, but it does do whatever decompression is required.

Hey, that's a nice feature. I didn't know about that.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Re: Re: star

2007-09-26 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Wed, 26 Sep 2007 12:08:11 +0200, Alexander Skwar wrote:

  No, but it does do whatever decompression is required.  
 
 Hey, that's a nice feature. I didn't know about that.

Be careful, it is not part of the POSIX standard and may cause premature
hair loss ;-)


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Re: [gentoo-user] Ati 3d not working [SOLVED]

2007-09-26 Thread Johannes Skov Frandsen
Rafael Barrera Oro wrote:
 In this thread, a guy with a similar problem solved by running
 opengl-update ati as root.

 http://www.linuxforums.org/forum/gentoo-linux-help/54709-ati-direct-render-problem.html
 http://www.linuxforums.org/forum/gentoo-linux-help/54709-ati-direct-render-problem.html

 hope it helps

 2007/9/25, Johannes Skov Frandsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL 
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 Rafael Barrera Oro wrote:
  ¿how are your kernel settings regarding acceleration?
 
 Hey Rafael

 I hope these are the settings you talk about:

  Character devices  ---
 * /dev/agpgart (AGP Support)
 *   ATI chipset support
 Direct Rendering Manager (XFree86 4.1.0 and higher DRI
 support)
   Graphics support  ---
* Support for frame buffer devices
* ATI Radeon display support
[*]   DDC/I2C for ATI Radeon support
[*]   Support for backlight control

 Otherwiser please hint me on what to set.

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Hey everybody

Got the driver working... finally

when I changed my kernel settings to these:
 Character devices  ---
M /dev/agpgart (AGP Support)
M   ATI chipset support

and reinstalled the ati driver everything started to work all of a sudden.

Next project will be compiz.

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[gentoo-user] installation assistance

2007-09-26 Thread Pol
I would pay for _in place_  assistance to install gentoo / kde on my laptop
I am living in northern italy 
Since i have never compiled everything from scratch (as the gentoo
user should do), assistance would save my time and offer the opportunity
to learn something.
Moreover i would like to fine tune my kde desktop, that is disappointing me,
as heavy kubuntu desktop user.

Any suggestions about  available professionals or companies?

thank you 
Pol

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Re: [gentoo-user] installation assistance

2007-09-26 Thread Albert Hopkins

On Wed, 2007-09-26 at 12:31 +0200, Pol wrote:
 I would pay for _in place_  assistance to install gentoo / kde on my
 laptop
 I am living in northern italy 
 Since i have never compiled everything from scratch (as the gentoo
 user should do), assistance would save my time and offer the
 opportunity
 to learn something.
 Moreover i would like to fine tune my kde desktop, that is
 disappointing me,
 as heavy kubuntu desktop user.
 
 Any suggestions about  available professionals or companies?
 
 thank you 
 Pol

I would be happy to do it.  Do you cover travel expenses?

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Re: [gentoo-user] Is this drive toast?

2007-09-26 Thread Stroller


On 25 Sep 2007, at 20:57, Marzan, Richard non Unisys wrote:

...
MAxtor sucks in my opinion.  Seagate will replace a warrantied drive


And who owns Maxtor?...


Microsoft Windows Sucks, but that doesn't mean Xbox sucks because
they're owned by MS.


This isn't a great example. I have a customer with 3 dead Xbox 360s  
which display 3 red lights. This is fundamentally caused by producing  
cheap hardware with poor quality control on the research   
development process - it's a design fault that these units overheat.


Microsoft have now acknowledged this particular fault and will  
replace units upto 3 years old if they're displaying this problem,  
but they have only recently done so, and many customers were  
previously disappointed that their 360s died outside of warranty. My  
customer is fortunate that he held onto his  stacked them in a  
corner - I have no doubt that many were binned and ended up in  
landfill as they were considered beyond economic repair.


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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Re: star

2007-09-26 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann
On Mittwoch, 26. September 2007, Alexander Skwar wrote:
 Neil Bothwick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  On Tue, 25 Sep 2007 15:34:41 +0200, Alexander Skwar wrote:
  What does this have to do with GNU tar and it adding superflous
  options? Quite a lot. -j et.al. are non-standard options. If a
  (badly written) script relies on the presence of -j, this script
  won't work with a POSIX compliant tar
 
  The script is only badly written if it is supposed to be POSIX
  compliant. Additional features can enhance a program

 Given that we're talking about use of non-standard options present
 only in GNU tar vs. easily accessible standard compliant ways
 of solving the same problem: No, a script is badly written, if it
 makes use of non-standard options.

a script that is not supposed to be portable to a POSIX-only system, can be 
written in any way the host system supports. So it is not 'broken' nor 'badly 
written'. Please calm down. Ok?


  and make scripts
  using it more readable/efficient/compact, providing the environment does
  not require POSIX-compliance. e.g. portage can use tar-specific
  enhancements if tar is in system on all profiles.

 Yes, it's very bad that Gentoo scripts don't limit themselves to
 POSIX. Another windmill to fight against.


no.

Please stop that nonesense, ok? Gentoo scripts are gentoo scripts. Not AIX, 
Solaris or HP-UX scripts (systems who are very arcane in a lot of aspects). 
So gentoo scripts don't need to be portable, so they don't need to be POSIX 
compliant. And since gentoo is a linux distribution and almost all linux 
distributions use the gnu-userland, gnu-compatibility is more than enough for 
portability to other linux distributions.

And some last questions: if POSIX is so great, why is there stuff 
like 'SUS', 'LSB', and why has POSIX many different versions?


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Re: [gentoo-user] installation assistance

2007-09-26 Thread Dan Cowsill
On 9/26/07, Albert Hopkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 On Wed, 2007-09-26 at 12:31 +0200, Pol wrote:
  I would pay for _in place_  assistance to install gentoo / kde on my
  laptop
  I am living in northern italy
  Since i have never compiled everything from scratch (as the gentoo
  user should do), assistance would save my time and offer the
  opportunity
  to learn something.
  Moreover i would like to fine tune my kde desktop, that is
  disappointing me,
  as heavy kubuntu desktop user.
 
  Any suggestions about  available professionals or companies?
 
  thank you
  Pol

 I would be happy to do it.  Do you cover travel expenses?

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Re: [gentoo-user] auto proxy config (Firefox, and more)

2007-09-26 Thread Benjamin Graf
Thanks for the answer !

How can I see what myIpAddress() returns ? I tried it in a simple html
page (javascript) but it didn't work.

Ben

2007/9/25, Willie Wong [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 On Mon, Sep 24, 2007 at 06:26:43PM +0200, Penguin Lover Benjamin Graf 
 squawked:
  I tried this as a proxy automatic configuration file (*.pac), but it
  doesn't work :

 snip

  At school, it works correctly (it uses the proxy when it is
  necessary), but not at home. I think the myIpAddress is maybe not
  the right solution.

 The only thing I can think of is that maybe myIpAddress is not
 returning what you think it returns?

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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: star

2007-09-26 Thread b.n.
Michael Schreckenbauer ha scritto:
 and I for myself drop cdrkit in every place I find it and replace it with the 
 imo working tool named cdrecord. 

Sure, your choice.

 The problem is that of a tool that for licence etc. problems could be
 easily be dropped from a distribution. It's of a relatively unreliable
 developer (or, better stated, of unrealiable relationships between the
 dev and the community).
 
 I have no problems at all with Jörg, quite the opposite.

It's not *you* that has to have problems with him. It's distributions.
See below.

 Given this, I would think twice before 
 substituting tar with a Schilling tool. The cdrecord scar is still painful.
 
 Good programmers often have big egos. See Linus for an example. When will 
 distributions drop the kernel, because Linus made bad comments about gnome, 
 cups or some other random program?
 The tool (star, cdrecord) works, is well supported and the programmer reacts 
 in time to requests. What else do you expect?

The problem with cdrecord (and J.S.) is that in a new version of
cdrecord he bundled CDDL and GPL code together, thinking that it's right
to distribute such an hybrid binary.
Debian and a large number of other distros think instead that you cannot
legally distribute a CDDL+GPL hybrid thing. So, to avoid legal concerns,
they had to remove cdrecord from the distribution and fork the last GPL
(or CDDL?)-only version of cdrecord.

In our case: if you use a tool like that in your scripts and suddenly
the Gentoo devs feel that tool has to be removed/replaced (not the case
of cdrtools in Gentoo apparently, but...), you are in trouble. It's not
matter of who is right/who is wrong (I personally have no serious
opinion on that, because I didn't enter into the issue), but J.S.
refused any attempt to settle down the problem with the Linux
distribution, only putting blame on them and telling them oh who cares,
f**k you. That's why someone has harsh opinions on him and can't trust
relying on his tools.

OTOH, I agree he's a truly skilled developer.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: star

2007-09-26 Thread b.n.
Hi Joerg,

Quite an honour to receive a mail from you. :)

 The reason why Debian started this is the missing will for quality oriented
 cooperation by a single person: Eduard Bloch.
 
 The reason why other Linux distributions followed Debian is that they believed
 the lies spread by Eduard Bloch.

 I see a good cooperation with 99.99% of the Linux commuinity but there are 
 some
 Trolls who attack me. It seems that once you do a lot of work, some people 
 become jealous and start to attack you. Doing popular things seems to imply 
 that you become the target of attacks.

I didn't follow the whole licence issue, nor I don't care that much
about that (I was just explaining what I know from the Internet). The
problem, as it seemed, is that you and Bloch staunchly refused to settle
down the issue somehow. Please correct me if it's wrong.

But I don't buy the people that attack me is just jealous/trolling
argument, sorry. Assuming good faith is always better. To tell I'm
right and B is lying is quite trollish too. To tell I'm right, B
probably hasn't understood that... is another thing. And trying to do
baby steps each in the direction of the other should always be strived
for. It seems in this case that both failed to do that. Personally I'd
have stepped down on licence issues if that meant more distribution for
my code, but I'm not a serious programmer so I don't know if it holds
for larger projects. However I'll have to review ye old flamewar to
understand the issue.

The problem, however, is that -being it your fault or not- that incident
somehow made hard for some people to rely on your tools. :(

 I am frequently meeting with Linux (and other OSS) people and I get frequent
 invitations as speaker on Linux events. Noone from the people who attack me 
 did ever meet me.

Well, what does it mean?

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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: star

2007-09-26 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Wed, 26 Sep 2007 19:44:20 +0200, b.n. wrote:

 In our case: if you use a tool like that in your scripts and suddenly
 the Gentoo devs feel that tool has to be removed/replaced (not the case
 of cdrtools in Gentoo apparently, but...), you are in trouble.

In this case, that shouldn't be a problem, because the cdrkit ebuild
installs cdrecord and mkisofs as symlinks to wodim and genisoimage
respectively.


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[gentoo-user] No access as normal user to my own.ssh-folder

2007-09-26 Thread Herbert Laubner
I want to connect to another machine in my local network using ssh. Somehow I 
do not get it managed to write the fingerprint to the .ssh/known_hosts 
because of missing rights. 

[EMAIL PROTECTED] ~ $ ssh 192.168.0.50
The authenticity of host '192.168.0.50 (192.168.0.50)' can't be established.
RSA key fingerprint is c5:1f:98:93:f3:30:01:b1:95:3e:30:40:47:ef:97:35.
Are you sure you want to continue connecting (yes/no)? yes
Failed to add the host to the list of known hosts 
(/home/herbert/.ssh/known_hosts).
Password:
Last login: Wed Sep 26 20:37:42 2007 from 192.168.0.20
Welcome to Darwin!
rlbk-hmbg-de01:~ herbert$ exit
logout
Connection to 192.168.0.50 closed.

[EMAIL PROTECTED] ~ $ ls -al /home/herbert/.ssh/
ls: Zugriff auf /home/herbert/.ssh/. nicht möglich: Keine Berechtigung
ls: Zugriff auf /home/herbert/.ssh/known_hosts nicht möglich: Keine 
Berechtigung
ls: Zugriff auf /home/herbert/.ssh/.. nicht möglich: Keine Berechtigung
insgesamt 0
d? ? ? ? ? ? .
d? ? ? ? ? ? ..
d? ? ? ? ? ? known_hosts

I think, it has to be a stupid mistake. I did 
windose ~ # chown herbert /home/herbert/.ssh 
windose ~ # chgrp users /home/herbert/.ssh 

but this did not help??

Regards
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Re: [gentoo-user] No access as normal user to my own.ssh-folder

2007-09-26 Thread Elias Probst
Am Mittwoch, 26. September 2007 20:59:55 schrieb Herbert Laubner:
 I think, it has to be a stupid mistake. I did
 windose ~ # chown herbert /home/herbert/.ssh
 windose ~ # chgrp users /home/herbert/.ssh

 but this did not help??

Do a 'chown -R herbert:users ~/.ssh' because your executed command didn't 
change the permissions of the files inside of the directory, just the 
permissions of the directory itself.

Keep in mind that your directory and the files inside need the following 
permissions:

- rw---

So just do a 'chmod -R u+rw ~/.ssh  chmod -R go-rwx ~/.ssh' and you should 
be fine.

Regards, Elias P.

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Re: [gentoo-user] No access as normal user to my own.ssh-folder

2007-09-26 Thread Mick
On Wednesday 26 September 2007, Herbert Laubner wrote:
 I want to connect to another machine in my local network using ssh. Somehow
 I do not get it managed to write the fingerprint to the .ssh/known_hosts
 because of missing rights.

 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~ $ ssh 192.168.0.50
 The authenticity of host '192.168.0.50 (192.168.0.50)' can't be
 established. RSA key fingerprint is
 c5:1f:98:93:f3:30:01:b1:95:3e:30:40:47:ef:97:35. Are you sure you want to
 continue connecting (yes/no)? yes
 Failed to add the host to the list of known hosts
 (/home/herbert/.ssh/known_hosts).
 Password:
 Last login: Wed Sep 26 20:37:42 2007 from 192.168.0.20
 Welcome to Darwin!
 rlbk-hmbg-de01:~ herbert$ exit
 logout
 Connection to 192.168.0.50 closed.

 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~ $ ls -al /home/herbert/.ssh/
 ls: Zugriff auf /home/herbert/.ssh/. nicht möglich: Keine Berechtigung
 ls: Zugriff auf /home/herbert/.ssh/known_hosts nicht möglich: Keine
 Berechtigung
 ls: Zugriff auf /home/herbert/.ssh/.. nicht möglich: Keine Berechtigung
 insgesamt 0
 d? ? ? ? ? ? .
 d? ? ? ? ? ? ..
 d? ? ? ? ? ? known_hosts

 I think, it has to be a stupid mistake. I did
 windose ~ # chown herbert /home/herbert/.ssh
 windose ~ # chgrp users /home/herbert/.ssh

 but this did not help??

I cannot see what your access rights are (all I got was ? as shown above).  
Add -r to chgrp to recursively change the files under it.  Finally, if the 
character d is correct for directory, then your known_hosts is not a file 
as it should be, but perhaps by mistake you created it as a directory and 
have not adapted your ssh_config, or ~/.ssh/config to reflect that.

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[gentoo-user] konsole doesn't always seem to refresh

2007-09-26 Thread Randy Barlow
I've been having a weird an inconsistent issue with konsole.  Suppose
I'm in a directory with a lot of files, like my mp3 folder.  Then
suppose I want to play one with, say, mplayer.  So I type

[EMAIL PROTECTED] /mnt/booty/data/music $ mplayer Yo

and I hit tab to get it to do some completion.  The weird thing is that
I often will hear the beep, signifying that it needs me to type the next
character(s) to further specify the file, but it won't show what it has
typed so far.  In other words, bash has already written things out to
stdout, but I still see

[EMAIL PROTECTED] /mnt/booty/data/music $ mplayer Yo

in konsole.  This doesn't happen if I am in one of the Atl-Fn terminals,
which leads me to believe it's a konsole issue.

Another time I see this behavior is after a program is done it doesn't
always give me back the prompt,

[EMAIL PROTECTED] /mnt/booty/data/music $

If I type something all of a sudden it shows up.  It seems like konsole
isn't flushing its output buffers when it should.  Is this something I
can configure better, or a bug, or what?

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Re: [gentoo-user] No access as normal user to my own.ssh-folder

2007-09-26 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Wednesday 26 September 2007, Herbert Laubner wrote:
 I want to connect to another machine in my local network using ssh.
 Somehow I do not get it managed to write the fingerprint to the
 .ssh/known_hosts because of missing rights.

 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~ $ ssh 192.168.0.50
 The authenticity of host '192.168.0.50 (192.168.0.50)' can't be
 established. RSA key fingerprint is
 c5:1f:98:93:f3:30:01:b1:95:3e:30:40:47:ef:97:35. Are you sure you
 want to continue connecting (yes/no)? yes
 Failed to add the host to the list of known hosts
 (/home/herbert/.ssh/known_hosts).
 Password:
 Last login: Wed Sep 26 20:37:42 2007 from 192.168.0.20
 Welcome to Darwin!
 rlbk-hmbg-de01:~ herbert$ exit
 logout
 Connection to 192.168.0.50 closed.

 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~ $ ls -al /home/herbert/.ssh/
 ls: Zugriff auf /home/herbert/.ssh/. nicht möglich: Keine
 Berechtigung ls: Zugriff auf /home/herbert/.ssh/known_hosts nicht
 möglich: Keine Berechtigung
 ls: Zugriff auf /home/herbert/.ssh/.. nicht möglich: Keine
 Berechtigung insgesamt 0
 d? ? ? ? ? ? .
 d? ? ? ? ? ? ..
 d? ? ? ? ? ? known_hosts

Ouch. That's file system corruption. You need to fsck that disk right 
now. I once saw similar stuff on a reiser filesystem and the only thing 
that helped was --rebuild-tree. Good luck on your end.

 I think, it has to be a stupid mistake. I did
 windose ~ # chown herbert /home/herbert/.ssh
 windose ~ # chgrp users /home/herbert/.ssh

 but this did not help??

Two reasons:

1. You only chowned the directory itself, not the files in it. What you 
probably wanted was

chown -R herbert:users /home/herbert/.ssh

2. The filesystem metadata is corrupt, so you wont be able to do 
anything in that directory anyway. 

alan


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Re: [gentoo-user] OT: howto setup vsftpd and virtual hosts by NAME not by IP

2007-09-26 Thread Jarry

Crayon Shin Chan wrote:


You can't do virtual hosting using domain names in ftp


I think wu-ftpd does support virtual ftp-hosting using domain-names.
The only limitation comes from single common passwd file, i.e.
you can not have two different users on two different virtual
ftp-server having the same login name...

Jarry

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Re: [gentoo-user] xine - no sound on DVDs - solved (sort of)

2007-09-26 Thread Mark Knecht
On 9/26/07, Michael Schreckenbauer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
SNIP

 afaik those are all default values, except audio.alsa_hw_mixer:0.
 I don't think, that's a problem.
 Does xine play every sound through the wrong device or only DVDs (5.1)?
 Maybe there's a stale asoundrc in your home, somehow
 redirecting plug:surround51:0 to the second device?

 I'm out of ideas now, it seems :(

 Regards,
 Michael


Hi Michael,
   Thanks for responding.

   As I stated in the original thread, long since cast the the email
bone pile, the only application that seems to have a problem on this
machine is xine. Aqualung (an audio file  CD player) sends audio to
the Intel chip. mplayer, playing DVDs, sends audio to the Intel chip.
Only xine by default is sending audio to the external USB converter.
The problem in xine is not specific to DVDs. It does the same thing
playing CDs.

   Note that with Aqualung I can reroute audio to the external USB
converter by purposely routing audio to the ':1' sound device, exactly
as Alsa should perform I believe.

   As far as I can tell the machine has neither an asound.state file
or any .asoundrc files:

dragonfly ~ # slocate .asoundrc
dragonfly ~ # slocate asound.state
/var/lib/alsa/asound.state
dragonfly ~ #

   Also, the problem is not specific to a user. It happens in my
account, my wife's account and my son's account. It seems to be a
global issue.

   As background, I have a second machine with dual sound cards. It
has the same generic Intel HDA audio device in it. It's second sound
card is an RME HDSP9652. xine works fine on that machine. Audio goes
to the Intel chip as it should.

   I'm at a complete loss on this one. It's starting to feel as if it
might be an Alsa issue and specific to USB audio. As I've gotten no
response from the xine-users list and this seems to be beyond the
typical Gentoo issue I suppose I might try those folks, assuming no
one else here has any experiments for me to try.

   Thanks again for your help.

Cheers,
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Re: [gentoo-user] No access as normal user to my own.ssh-folder

2007-09-26 Thread Herbert Laubner
  d? ? ? ? ? ? .
  d? ? ? ? ? ? ..
  d? ? ? ? ? ? known_hosts

 Ouch. That's file system corruption. You need to fsck that disk right
 now. I once saw similar stuff on a reiser filesystem and the only thing
 that helped was --rebuild-tree. Good luck on your end.

I hope it's not. I removed that .ssh folder as root and re-created it as 
normal user. Works (for now)

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Re: [gentoo-user] No access as normal user to my own.ssh-folder [SOLVED]

2007-09-26 Thread Herbert Laubner

 I cannot see what your access rights are (all I got was ? as shown
 above). Add -r to chgrp to recursively change the files under it.  Finally,
 if the character d is correct for directory, then your known_hosts is not
 a file as it should be, but perhaps by mistake you created it as a
 directory and have not adapted your ssh_config, or ~/.ssh/config to reflect
 that.


I just deleted as root the .ssh folder and created it as normal user again, no 
it works!
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RE: [gentoo-user] OT: howto setup vsftpd and virtual hosts by NAME not by IP

2007-09-26 Thread Daevid Vincent

 -Original Message-
 From: Jarry [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 12:24 PM
 
 Crayon Shin Chan wrote:
 
  You can't do virtual hosting using domain names in ftp
 
 I think wu-ftpd does support virtual ftp-hosting using domain-names.
 The only limitation comes from single common passwd file, i.e.
 you can not have two different users on two different virtual
 ftp-server having the same login name...
 
 Jarry

Thanks for the reply. Isn't wu-ftpd very insecure?

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[gentoo-user] {OT} Strange apache2 access_log entries

2007-09-26 Thread Grant
Does anyone else get entries like this in their apache2 access_log:

127.0.0.1 - - [26/Sep/2007:03:10:08 -0700] GET / 400 470

I get a whole slew of them every day.  They always show up in batches
and each entry in a batch is logged at almost the same second.

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[gentoo-user] Help finding a tv tuner card's chipset

2007-09-26 Thread forgottenwizard
I hope this isn't the wrong place to ask this, but I need help finding a
chipset for an admitedly cheap tuner.

The product in question is the Sabrent TV-USB20 tuner (USB-powered). I
have searched google for awhile, and I can't seem to find the chipset
for this card, but mostly just results on very specific cards.

All I need to know is if this tuner will work with Gentoo or not,
really.The product in question is the Sabrent TV-USB20 tuner
(USB-powered). I have searched google for awhile, and I can't seem to
find the chipset for this card, but mostly just results on very specific
cards.

All I need to know is if this tuner will work with Gentoo or not,
really.The product in question is the Sabrent TV-USB20 tuner
(USB-powered). I have searched google for awhile, and I can't seem to
find the chipset for this card, but mostly just results on very specific
cards.

All I need to know is if this tuner will work with Gentoo or not,
really.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Is this drive toast--addendum

2007-09-26 Thread Dan Farrell
On Tue, 25 Sep 2007 19:20:10 -0700 (PDT)
maxim wexler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
 --- Dan Farrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  On Mon, 24 Sep 2007 20:38:45 -0700 (PDT)
  maxim wexler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
   Forgot to add: this all started when I made hda
  into
   hdb and vice versa by changing the jumpers on the
  two
   IDE drives in this particular PC and telling the 
  BIOS
   to boot from the 2nd drive. And updating grub and
   fstab, of course.
   
  
  changing the jumpers on the two drives?  You
  generally don't have to
  change drive jumpers to switch priority in the BIOS
  (or physically),
  although it might be necessary in certain
  circumstances I guess.  
 
 The first drive is for Micro$haft, which I still need
 for certain tasks.


If you wouldn't mind satisfying my curiosity, what does the jumper do?
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Re: [gentoo-user] Is this drive toast?

2007-09-26 Thread maxim wexler

--- Neil Bothwick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hello Dan Farrell,
 
  Seagate's customer service I've never dealt with. 
 I just send in the
  drive, and a working one comes back in 60 days or
 so.
 
 That is customer service, albeit rather slow
 service. IBM replaced a
 faulty Deathstar drive in less than two weeks.
 

My SATA drive, Western Digital, was replaced in three
days. The tech took my card number and immediately
sent off the new drive with the proviso that he would
charge me for the new one if the old one didn't arrive
in 30 days.
 
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Re: [gentoo-user] Is this drive toast--addendum

2007-09-26 Thread maxim wexler
 If you wouldn't mind satisfying my curiosity, what
 does the jumper do?

Determines if the drive is master or slave in the
BIOS. 

But perhaps you're thinking of something else. I'm
astonished that someone doesn't know that. 

If you ever put a IDE drive in a PC you would have to
know what the jumper is for.


   

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Re: [gentoo-user] Help finding a tv tuner card's chipset

2007-09-26 Thread Szénási István
Hi!

I don't know if it helps, but I looked at the windows driver and it's
name (in the inf file) is tridvid
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Re: [gentoo-user] Is this drive toast--addendum

2007-09-26 Thread Albert Hopkins

On Wed, 2007-09-26 at 15:06 -0700, maxim wexler wrote:
 Determines if the drive is master or slave in the
 BIOS. 
 
 But perhaps you're thinking of something else. I'm
 astonished that someone doesn't know that. 
 
 If you ever put a IDE drive in a PC you would have to
 know what the jumper is for.

Most modern IDE hard drives/motherboards come with cable-select
enabled. These days you rarely need to deal with jumpers on a hard drive
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Re: [gentoo-user] {OT} Strange apache2 access_log entries

2007-09-26 Thread Albert Hopkins

On Wed, 2007-09-26 at 13:30 -0700, Grant wrote:
 Does anyone else get entries like this in their apache2 access_log:
 
 127.0.0.1 - - [26/Sep/2007:03:10:08 -0700] GET / 400 470
 
 I get a whole slew of them every day.  They always show up in batches
 and each entry in a batch is logged at almost the same second.
 

Connection to/from localhost.  Do you have some process running on the
same server that's doing monitoring?  The 400 reply is even more
interesting.  I think the request should be GET / HTTP/1.1 or similar
which is probably why it is returning a 400.



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Re: [gentoo-user] Is this drive toast--addendum

2007-09-26 Thread Dan Farrell
On Wed, 26 Sep 2007 17:38:44 -0500
Albert Hopkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
 Most modern IDE hard drives/motherboards come with cable-select
 enabled. These days you rarely need to deal with jumpers on a hard
 drive (which are prone to error).
 

Some bioses also support swapping device priority in the bios's
software. 

I seem to have forgotten entirely about the master/slave thing... it's
been a while since I put two drives on one cable.  :)
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Re: [gentoo-user] No access as normal user to my own.ssh-folder

2007-09-26 Thread Dan Farrell
On Wed, 26 Sep 2007 21:21:26 +0200
Alan McKinnon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Ouch. That's file system corruption. You need to fsck that disk right 
 now. I once saw similar stuff on a reiser filesystem and the only
 thing that helped was --rebuild-tree. Good luck on your end.

Wrong!  In this case the user probably has execute permissions on the
directory so they can list the file names, but doesn't have read
permissions on the files in the directory, so ls can't list the
permissions, attributes,  so on.  

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Re: [gentoo-user] Help finding a tv tuner card's chipset

2007-09-26 Thread Dan Farrell
On Wed, 26 Sep 2007 16:29:45 -0500
forgottenwizard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I hope this isn't the wrong place to ask this, but I need help
 finding a chipset for an admitedly cheap tuner.
 
 The product in question is the Sabrent TV-USB20 tuner (USB-powered). I
 have searched google for awhile, and I can't seem to find the chipset
 for this card, but mostly just results on very specific cards.
 
 All I need to know is if this tuner will work with Gentoo or not,
 really.The product in question is the Sabrent TV-USB20 tuner
 (USB-powered). I have searched google for awhile, and I can't seem to
 find the chipset for this card, but mostly just results on very
 specific cards.
 
 All I need to know is if this tuner will work with Gentoo or not,
 really.The product in question is the Sabrent TV-USB20 tuner
 (USB-powered). I have searched google for awhile, and I can't seem to
 find the chipset for this card, but mostly just results on very
 specific cards.
 
 All I need to know is if this tuner will work with Gentoo or not,
 really.
 

Have you looked at 'lsusb' output yet?  That usually gives data
relevant to the chipset (for example, what it is and who made it ;) )
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Re: [gentoo-user] OO save error with 2.3

2007-09-26 Thread W.Kenworthy
Thanks - its starting to look like its me.  I did have a similar
problem (not as bad) a year or two ago, and it went away on the next
update so I assumed it was OO then.  How to fault find it though ...

BillK

On Wed, 2007-09-26 at 19:36 +0100, Mick wrote:
 On Wednesday 26 September 2007, Pongracz Istvan wrote:
  For me, ooffice 2.3 (bin) cannot detect java environment.
  I setup system-vm and user-vm too.
 
  What if, java is required with save with password, but you also have no
  java?
 
 I have no Java on my machine and can save/open documents and spreadsheets 
 with 
 passwd protection.  However, I am using the OOo binary in this box.  Unless 
 someone else with no Java and the source package installation can repeat 
 this, I'll try from another box of mine that also has no Java, but is using 
 the source package (I'm planning to update OOo source to 2.3 this weekend).
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Re: [gentoo-user] Help finding a tv tuner card's chipset

2007-09-26 Thread W.Kenworthy
On Wed, 2007-09-26 at 18:25 -0500, Dan Farrell wrote:
 On Wed, 26 Sep 2007 16:29:45 -0500
 forgottenwizard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
...
 
 Have you looked at 'lsusb' output yet?  That usually gives data
 relevant to the chipset (for example, what it is and who made it ;) )

Also take the : hex number (see 413c:3010 below) that lsusb
spits out, and google that if lsusb itself gives unknown.  It basically
specifies the manufacturer and chipset/model.  lsbusb -v is also
helpful.

i.e.,
lsusb
...
Bus 003 Device 003: ID 413c:3010 Dell Computer Corp. Optical Wheel Mouse
...




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Re: [gentoo-user] Is this drive toast--addendum

2007-09-26 Thread W.Kenworthy
On Wed, 2007-09-26 at 17:38 -0500, Albert Hopkins wrote:
 On Wed, 2007-09-26 at 15:06 -0700, maxim wexler wrote:
  Determines if the drive is master or slave in the
  BIOS. 
  
...
 
 Most modern IDE hard drives/motherboards come with cable-select
 enabled. These days you rarely need to deal with jumpers on a hard drive
 (which are prone to error).
 

Maybe my memory is getting out of date (old age!) - but I thought you
were supposed to avoid csel as it often didnt work correctly in a
multidrive situation?  So I have always manually set master/slave by
jumper (almost all my systems are multi drive

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Re: [gentoo-user] Is this drive toast--addendum

2007-09-26 Thread Dale
W.Kenworthy wrote:
 On Wed, 2007-09-26 at 17:38 -0500, Albert Hopkins wrote:
   
 On Wed, 2007-09-26 at 15:06 -0700, maxim wexler wrote:
 
 Determines if the drive is master or slave in the
 BIOS. 

   
 ...
   
 Most modern IDE hard drives/motherboards come with cable-select
 enabled. These days you rarely need to deal with jumpers on a hard drive
 (which are prone to error).

 

 Maybe my memory is getting out of date (old age!) - but I thought you
 were supposed to avoid csel as it often didnt work correctly in a
 multidrive situation?  So I have always manually set master/slave by
 jumper (almost all my systems are multi drive

 BillK

   

Same here on mine.  My cables are straight through and I use the jumper
to select which is master/slave.  My BIOS is always set to boot hd0 or
something like that.

Dale

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Re: [gentoo-user] Is this drive toast--addendum

2007-09-26 Thread Iain Buchanan
On Thu, 2007-09-27 at 08:47 +0800, W.Kenworthy wrote:
 On Wed, 2007-09-26 at 17:38 -0500, Albert Hopkins wrote:
  On Wed, 2007-09-26 at 15:06 -0700, maxim wexler wrote:
   Determines if the drive is master or slave in the
   BIOS. 
   
 ...
  
  Most modern IDE hard drives/motherboards come with cable-select
  enabled. These days you rarely need to deal with jumpers on a hard drive
  (which are prone to error).
  
 
 Maybe my memory is getting out of date (old age!) - but I thought you
 were supposed to avoid csel as it often didnt work correctly in a
 multidrive situation?  So I have always manually set master/slave by
 jumper (almost all my systems are multi drive

I have never had cable select work for me - I find it is highly
dependant on the specific IDE cable, drive, and bios combination.  I
_always_ use master / slave jumpers, and don't even bother with cable
select.  Even if I have only one drive, cable select has still failed
for me, resulting in no drives being detected.

but maybe that's just me...!
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[gentoo-user] emerge xine-ui fails

2007-09-26 Thread maxim wexler
Hi group,

Trying to emerge xine-ui stopped here:

snip
make[1]: Leaving directory
`/var/tmp/portage/media-video/ffmpeg-0.4.9_p20070330/work/ffmpeg/vhook'

!!! ERROR: media-video/ffmpeg-0.4.9_p20070330 failed.
Call stack:
  ebuild.sh, line 1621:   Called dyn_compile
  ebuild.sh, line 973:   Called qa_call 'src_compile'
  ebuild.sh, line 44:   Called src_compile
  ffmpeg-0.4.9_p20070330.ebuild, line 169:   Called
die

!!! make failed
!!! If you need support, post the topmost build error,
and the call stack if relevant.
!!! A complete build log is located at
'/var/log/portage/media-video:ffmpeg-0.4.9_p20070330:20070927-001851.log'.

Someone on the gentoo forum had the same problem and
solved it by removing the -combine flag. I don't
know why he calls it the *minus* combine flag. I
always thought the minus sign means it isn't being
used.

Anyways, there's no such flag, minus or otherwise, in
the output of emerge -av xine-ui:

localhost heathen # emerge -av xine-ui

These are the packages that would be merged, in order:

Calculating dependencies... done!
[ebuild U ] media-video/ffmpeg-0.4.9_p20070330
[0.4.9_p20060302] USE=X%* encode ieee1394 mmx ogg oss
sdl truetype vorbis zlib -a52 -aac (-altivec) -amr
-debug* -doc -dts -imlib* -network -test -theora
-threads -v4l -x264 -xvid 0 kB
[ebuild  N] media-libs/xine-lib-1.1.4-r2  USE=X
alsa arts dvd esd gtk ipv6 mad opengl oss sdl truetype
vorbis win32codecs xv -a52 -aac -aalib (-altivec)
-debug -directfb -dts -dxr3 -fbcon -flac -gnome
-imagemagick -libcaca -mmap -mng -modplug -musepack
-nls -pulseaudio -samba -speex -theora -v4l -vcd
-vidix -wavpack -xcb -xinerama -xvmc 6,856 kB
[ebuild  N] media-video/xine-ui-0.99.5  USE=X
ncurses readline -aalib -curl -debug -libcaca -lirc
-nls -vdr -xinerama 2,546 kB

Can someone suggest a fix?

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Re: [gentoo-user] {OT} Strange apache2 access_log entries

2007-09-26 Thread Grant
  Does anyone else get entries like this in their apache2 access_log:
 
  127.0.0.1 - - [26/Sep/2007:03:10:08 -0700] GET / 400 470
 
  I get a whole slew of them every day.  They always show up in batches
  and each entry in a batch is logged at almost the same second.
 

 Connection to/from localhost.  Do you have some process running on the
 same server that's doing monitoring?  The 400 reply is even more
 interesting.  I think the request should be GET / HTTP/1.1 or similar
 which is probably why it is returning a 400.

I'm not doing any sort of monitoring like that.  What is that 470?
I noticed the log entries always include that, at least for the last
10 days.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Is this drive toast--addendum

2007-09-26 Thread Dan Farrell
On Thu, 27 Sep 2007 11:03:27 +0930
Iain Buchanan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I have never had cable select work for me - I find it is highly
 dependant on the specific IDE cable, drive, and bios combination.  I
 _always_ use master / slave jumpers, and don't even bother with cable
 select.  Even if I have only one drive, cable select has still failed
 for me, resulting in no drives being detected.
 
 but maybe that's just me...!

Actually I do that too, but as little as possible.  I just put grub on
the master drive and then, if i'm worried about isolating windows and
linux, i can install windows normally on a seperate drive with the
linux drive disabled or unplugged.  
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Re: [gentoo-user] {OT} Strange apache2 access_log entries

2007-09-26 Thread Grant
  Does anyone else get entries like this in their apache2 access_log:
 
  127.0.0.1 - - [26/Sep/2007:03:10:08 -0700] GET / 400 470
 
  I get a whole slew of them every day.  They always show up in batches
  and each entry in a batch is logged at almost the same second.
 That make sense, since 400 means 'bad request' the culprit probably
 fails a preset number of times and then gives up.  Perhaps 127.0.0.1 is
 the setting for something in the absence of a sane configuration - in
 other words, it might be tricky to track this one down.  You'll have to
 let us know what gurific sleuthing techniques you employ to track down
 the bad guys.

What do you mean by bad guys?

I made a mistake in my initial post.  The 127.0.0.1 entries always
show up in ssl_access_log, not access_log.

Also, I noticed that a huge block of them always appears at the very
beginning of each day's ssl_access_log at exactly 3:10AM.

 You should perhaps use combined logging so you get more information,
 like the user agent and such.  right now you're using 'common' logging
 which has the additional disadvantage that it doesn't give you
 particularly useful information if you decide to use a statistical
 analyzer like awstats on your archive of logs from the past umpteen
 years.  The user agent might be useful for debugging purposes.

I switched ssl_access_log temporarily to the combined format, and it
was definitely working, but the 127.0.0.1 error looked exactly as it
did in common format with no extra information.

 You might also consider running tcpdump for a few hours or so, or
 something, and have it watch for that port and interface and run ps or
 something if you get output from it.   Or use iptables logging for the
 job, if you'd rather do that.

Any specific commands or even just certain parameters I should look into?

- Grant
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[gentoo-user] font corruption ???

2007-09-26 Thread David Relson
My wife uses my gentoo workstation with Open Office Writer to prepare
documents for my son's Boy Scout troop and has encountered printing
problems.

The environment is cups-1.2.10-r1, openoffice-bin-2.3.0, xorg-x11-7.2,
xorg-server-1.3.0.0, etc.

After starting OOw, the first document (typically a single page) is
fine.  Reprinting it, gives garbled output.  An example is word When:
printing as $ henC: and Where: printing as $ hereC.  Typically
capital letters, digits and punctuation are off (with the same wrong
character for the same original character, i.e. $ instead of W, )
instead of S, etc).

Exiting OOw, restarting it, and printing the document gives similar
results -- first copy good, second copy munged.

I don't think the problem is a printer issue as it (a networked Brother
7820N) seems to work fine off our kids' WinXP machine.

Anybody seen this problem or have suggestions how to fix it?

Thanks.

David

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Re: [gentoo-user] {OT} Strange apache2 access_log entries

2007-09-26 Thread Albert Hopkins

On Wed, 2007-09-26 at 18:51 -0700, Grant wrote:
 I'm not doing any sort of monitoring like that.  What is that 470?
 I noticed the log entries always include that, at least for the last
 10 days.

470 is the size of the HTTP response (read
http://httpd.apache.org/docs/1.3/logs.html).  The client is coming from
the loopback device, i.e. the same machine as the server.  So it's
something running on that machine talking to the server.

Are you sure you know what's running on your machine?

As another poster said, change your logging format and you should get
more information.  See the above link and check your config.

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[gentoo-user] NFS mount fail

2007-09-26 Thread Richard Marzan
I get this error when mounting an nfs share:

 mount.nfs: rpc.statd is not running but is required for remote locking
   Either use -o nolocks to keep locks local, or start statd.


Anyone know what the problem might be? I followed the gentoo-wiki nfs
guide @ http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Share_Directories_via_NFS 

rsize and wsize have been set on my client.

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Re: [gentoo-user] {OT} Strange apache2 access_log entries

2007-09-26 Thread Daniel Iliev
On Wed, 26 Sep 2007 18:51:31 -0700
Grant [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

   Does anyone else get entries like this in their apache2
   access_log:
  
   127.0.0.1 - - [26/Sep/2007:03:10:08 -0700] GET / 400 470
  
   I get a whole slew of them every day.  They always show up in
   batches and each entry in a batch is logged at almost the same
   second.
  
 
  Connection to/from localhost.  Do you have some process running on
  the same server that's doing monitoring?  The 400 reply is even more
  interesting.  I think the request should be GET / HTTP/1.1 or
  similar which is probably why it is returning a 400.
 
 I'm not doing any sort of monitoring like that.  What is that 470?
 I noticed the log entries always include that, at least for the last
 10 days.
 
 - Grant


To be sure, you have to check the fields defined in your log format
variable in the configuration. The date and source IP address fields are
obvious. The dashes mean field is empty. My guess is that one of
those is for http_user. 470 most probably is the http error code (means
bad request) and the last field with value 470 would be bytes sent. 

Again: I'm just guessing. If it was up to me, I'd  check the config
files out and do some googling to get the meaning of those fields and
their values.


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Re: [gentoo-user] {OT} [typo] Strange apache2 access_log entries

2007-09-26 Thread Daniel Iliev

 those is for http_user. 470 most probably is the http error code
 (means bad request) and the last field with value 470 would be
 bytes sent. 
 

The first line should read
 those is for http_user. 400 most probably is the http error code.
400 instead of 470. Sorry for the typo.

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[gentoo-user] Gentoo User Guide XML error

2007-09-26 Thread Philip Webb
I downloaded the Gentoo User Guide to read the install section
prior to planning installation of Gentoo on my new machine.
Dillo has no problem opening the file (Lynx can't read XML),
but Epiphany, Firefox  Konqueror all refuse with an XML error :

  XML Parsing Error: mismatched tag. Expected: /link.
  Location: file:///home/purslow/cr/gentoo/anb3/handbook-x86.xml
  Line Number 12, Column 226:
  link rel=search type=application/opensearchdescription+xml 
href=http://www.gentoo.org/search/archives-gentoo-org.xml; title=Gentoo List 
ArchivestitleGentoo Linux Documentation -- Gentoo Linux x86 
Handbook/title/headbody bgcolor=#ff
  
-^

The pointer is under the 'h' of 'head' on my screen.

I am amazed to find an error in a Gentoo doc, esp one like this.
Can anyone offer advice ?

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Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo User Guide XML error : solved ?

2007-09-26 Thread Philip Webb
Following the usual procedure in such cases of trying simple changes,
I changed the file extension to '.html'  Epiphany now has no problem.
Does anyone have any comment on this strange sequence of events ?

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Re: [gentoo-user] OT: howto setup vsftpd and virtual hosts by NAME not by IP

2007-09-26 Thread Crayon Shin Chan
On Thursday 27 September 2007, Jarry wrote:
 Crayon Shin Chan wrote:
  You can't do virtual hosting using domain names in ftp

 I think wu-ftpd does support virtual ftp-hosting using domain-names.

I would love to know how it does the impossible - since the ftp protocol 
doesn't know anything about domain names :)

 The only limitation comes from single common passwd file, i.e.
 you can not have two different users on two different virtual
 ftp-server having the same login name...

That's because it simply boils down to ftp not being able to support 
virtual name hosting. In reality, the above fudge goes something like 
this:

  domain: ftp.virtual.a.example.com
  user/pass: usera/passa
  directory: /var/ftp/usera

  domain: ftp.virtual.b.example.com
  user/pass: userb/passb
  directory: /var/ftp/userb

userb can actually login using either ftp.virtual.a.example.com or 
ftp.virtual.b.example.com. The different domains is just a convenience 
for the users and makes not one bit of difference to an ftp server 
because it only knows about which IP address(es) to listen to.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Help finding a tv tuner card's chipset

2007-09-26 Thread forgottenwizard
On 08:43 Thu 27 Sep , W.Kenworthy wrote:
 On Wed, 2007-09-26 at 18:25 -0500, Dan Farrell wrote:
  On Wed, 26 Sep 2007 16:29:45 -0500
  forgottenwizard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 ...
  
  Have you looked at 'lsusb' output yet?  That usually gives data
  relevant to the chipset (for example, what it is and who made it ;) )
 
 Also take the : hex number (see 413c:3010 below) that lsusb
 spits out, and google that if lsusb itself gives unknown.  It basically
 specifies the manufacturer and chipset/model.  lsbusb -v is also
 helpful.
 
 i.e.,
 lsusb
 ...
 Bus 003 Device 003: ID 413c:3010 Dell Computer Corp. Optical Wheel Mouse
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All great suggestions, except I'm hoping to see if it might work before
I buy it. I really don't like the prospect of spending money on hardware
just for things to turn out that it doesn't work in Linux.

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Re: [gentoo-user] {OT} Strange apache2 access_log entries

2007-09-26 Thread Grant
  I'm not doing any sort of monitoring like that.  What is that 470?
  I noticed the log entries always include that, at least for the last
  10 days.

 470 is the size of the HTTP response (read
 http://httpd.apache.org/docs/1.3/logs.html).  The client is coming from
 the loopback device, i.e. the same machine as the server.  So it's
 something running on that machine talking to the server.

 Are you sure you know what's running on your machine?

I sure hope so.  It's a dedicated machine.

 As another poster said, change your logging format and you should get
 more information.  See the above link and check your config.

I tried combined logging format, verified it was working, but no more
information was printed to the log file for those errors.

What else can I do to track this down?

- Grant
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Re: [gentoo-user] {OT} Strange apache2 access_log entries

2007-09-26 Thread Szénási István
  Does anyone else get entries like this in their apache2 access_log:
 
  127.0.0.1 - - [26/Sep/2007:03:10:08 -0700] GET / 400 470
 
  I get a whole slew of them every day.  They always show up in batches
  and each entry in a batch is logged at almost the same second.

Have you tried the netstat -p ?
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Re: [gentoo-user] Help finding a tv tuner card's chipset

2007-09-26 Thread Iain Buchanan
On Wed, 2007-09-26 at 23:40 -0500, forgottenwizard wrote:

 All great suggestions, except I'm hoping to see if it might work before
 I buy it. I really don't like the prospect of spending money on hardware
 just for things to turn out that it doesn't work in Linux.

take your laptop into the store.  Or if you don't have a laptop, take a
livecd with lsusb, lshw, etc. on it.  If they won't accommodate that,
shop somewhere else ;)

If you're buying online, find a local store that has the same card and
do the same thing.

If you don't have any local stores, ... um, post to this list!!

HTH!
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Re: [gentoo-user] emerge xine-ui fails

2007-09-26 Thread Randy Barlow
maxim wexler wrote:
 snip
 make[1]: Leaving directory
 `/var/tmp/portage/media-video/ffmpeg-0.4.9_p20070330/work/ffmpeg/vhook'

Hmm, can you show us a few more lines before this?  The error isn't
obvious yet...

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