Re: [gentoo-user] hal - what's the benefit of using it
On Wednesday 04 February 2009 09:39:15 Helmut Jarausch wrote: Hi, having had some problems with recent xorg version my question is what are the benefits (if any) of building packages with the 'hal' use flag (i.e. adding 'hal' to US='...' in /etc/make.conf) Many thanks for your sharing your experience, Helmut. There's no benefit as such. hal is a crock of shit that never worked right as the designer intended, and he said so publicly on his blog. He has a plan to replace it with something else that might work. It's similar to devfs which led to udev to replace it. Meanwhile, trying to run KDE or Gnome on a box without hal is becoming more and more painful with each update. Even xorg is getting in on the hal game and using hal to auto-configure input devices. Unless you know of a compelling need to remove it, chances are your life will be some much easier if you just add hal to USE and be done with it. -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
[gentoo-user] Re: hal - what's the benefit of using it
Helmut Jarausch wrote: Hi, having had some problems with recent xorg version my question is what are the benefits (if any) of building packages with the 'hal' use flag (i.e. adding 'hal' to US='...' in /etc/make.conf) The benefit for me is that I plug my USB flash stick in my PC and it pops up in my desktop without me needing to enter voodoo console commands to mount it.
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: hal - what's the benefit of using it
On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 6:44 AM, Nikos Chantziaras rea...@arcor.de wrote: The benefit for me is that I plug my USB flash stick in my PC and it pops up in my desktop without me needing to enter voodoo console commands to mount it. +1 That and... this is my xorg.conf : Section Module Loadglx EndSection Section Device Identifier Default Device Driver nvidia Option NoLogo EndSection Section Screen Identifier Default Screen DefaultDepth24 EndSection Good luck in having that minimalist xorg.conf without hal.
Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo's advantage: 'optimized for your system' -- huh?
El Mar, 3 de Febrero de 2009, 23:39, Grant Edwards escribió: Whenever I see a write-up of Gentoo, it's describe as a system similar to BSD ports where you build packages from source. The main benefit claimed for this approach is that you get better performance because all executables are optimized for exactly the right instruction set. Where did that bit of apocrypha come from, and why is it parroted by so many people? There are parrots in all the social groups. That doesn't mean that there aren't skilled users that see the real benefit. The difference is that skilled users (or simply those that use the system for real advantages and not due to some parrot axiom like this one) don't go echoing how normal they are all around. The result is that you only hear parrots, but that doesn't mean they are the whole nor even the majority of a given community. AFAICT, the performance benefit due to compiler optimization is practically nil in real-world usage. In my experience the huge benefit of source-based distros such as Gentoo is elimination of the library dependency-hell that mires other binary-based distros. Yes. I wholeheartedly agree with you here. USE flags they are. And I love this part of Gentoo. The second benefit is that with Gentoo, upgrading a system actually works over the long-run. With RedHat/Mandrake, things would gradually deteriorate to the point where the system was unmaintainable, but attempting to upgrade between major releases was always futile. I've had Gentoo machines that have been upgraded for 4-5 years without any significant problems (failed hard-drives don't count). Those who reinstall do it for various reasons. Some are legit (ie. migration from x86 to amd64), some are just hobbyist stuff (most of the times). And some people reinstall because they do all kind of colorful things that break the system to an unusable state. Gentoo is easy to break if you don't read the manuals and are unable to put a minimal degree of common sense behind your actions. That's the dark side of the force. However, I love it. The third main benefit I've seen is that there are vastly more packages available for Gentoo. Putting together and maintaining an ebuild appears to take a lot less work than putting together and maintaining a binary RPM package. Ditto. And upgrading is usually as easy as to use cp to created a new version. A big big advantage is that besides the huge number of packages that we have, we also have dozens of overlays. Some of which are for very specific tasks, and some of them are really bug. Performance is just as good as with any other distro, as long as both are configured in the same -read sane- way. No distro can make your pc 200% faster, only a new $$mobo-cpu-ram$$ combo can do that. -- Jesús Guerrero
Re: [gentoo-user] ENTER doesn't work in google.com?
Nikos Chantziaras wrote: Am I going crazy? In google.com, when I enter a search query and press ENTER, nothing happens. Note: only on the *English* google.com. You get there by clicking the Google.com in English link. It's this: http://www.google.com/ncr Does the ENTER key work for anyone? I'm on Firefox 3.0.5. Konqeuror has no problem. I clicked on your link and tried it, it looked like it just refreshed the page or something for me. No results or anything tho. Clicking the search button worked fine. r...@smoker / # emerge -pv seamonkey These are the packages that would be merged, in order: Calculating dependencies... done! [ebuild R ] www-client/seamonkey-1.1.14 USE=crypt ipv6 java ldap xprint -debug -gnome -mozdevelop -moznocompose -moznoirc -moznomail -moznopango -moznoroaming -postgres -xforms -xinerama 0 kB Total: 1 package (1 reinstall), Size of downloads: 0 kB r...@smoker / # Sort of weird, this worked a few days ago. I always hit enter/return when I do mine. ??? Dale :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo's advantage: optimized for your system -- huh?
On Wed, Feb 04, 2009 at 08:58:23AM +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: On Wednesday 04 February 2009 01:48:34 Nikos Chantziaras wrote: So all in all, I agree. Using Gentoo is nowadays not so much a matter of performance optimization but of better control of how to build the packages and the rolling release nature (I'm tired of major updates every 6 months in the majority of binary distros.) I also like the USE flags which let me chose how to build something and get rid of dependencies I don't need. Administrative features like dispatch-conf are also very useful. This is the main benefit of Gentoo for me. I have to use SuSE or RHEL at work for the database machines - Sybase will not support any other other distro - and the 1G+ base install from those distros drive me nuts. Contrast that with the DNS caches which run FreeBSD, the difference is about a factor of 5 if not more. I also get sick and tired of installing postfix on a database machine purely to send nagios alerts, and watching the distro helpfully want to pull in PostgreSQL, MySQL, LDAP, SASL, Courier and some fancy MTA-switcher thingy. All because the maintainer enables those features and now I gotta have them. No thanks. Rather give me USE so I say what goes on the box. -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com Often on gentoo related IRC chanels comes someone who asks why his firefox-bin (or openoffice-bin or *-bin) runs faster than his built-from-source firefox. Usually chan's gurus answer that upstream packagers use all the possible compiler optimizations (CFLAGS LDFLAGS etc.) for the given package, while the average gentoo users keeps a set of system wide very safe optimizations that are good for most packages, but not the best for every particolar package. Is that statement correct? === TopperH === pgp2P5xwzz7JV.pgp Description: PGP signature
[gentoo-user] Re: ENTER doesn't work in google.com?
Dale wrote: Nikos Chantziaras wrote: Am I going crazy? In google.com, when I enter a search query and press ENTER, nothing happens. Note: only on the *English* google.com. You get there by clicking the Google.com in English link. It's this: http://www.google.com/ncr Does the ENTER key work for anyone? I'm on Firefox 3.0.5. Konqeuror has no problem. I clicked on your link and tried it, it looked like it just refreshed the page or something for me. No results or anything tho. Clicking the search button worked fine. r...@smoker / # emerge -pv seamonkey These are the packages that would be merged, in order: Calculating dependencies... done! [ebuild R ] www-client/seamonkey-1.1.14 USE=crypt ipv6 java ldap xprint -debug -gnome -mozdevelop -moznocompose -moznoirc -moznomail -moznopango -moznoroaming -postgres -xforms -xinerama 0 kB Total: 1 package (1 reinstall), Size of downloads: 0 kB r...@smoker / # Sort of weird, this worked a few days ago. I always hit enter/return when I do mine. ??? I fixed it with rm -rf ~/.mozilla/firefox :P
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo's advantage: optimized for your system -- huh?
El mié, 04-02-2009 a las 14:03 +0100, Momesso Andrea escribió: On Wed, Feb 04, 2009 at 08:58:23AM +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: On Wednesday 04 February 2009 01:48:34 Nikos Chantziaras wrote: So all in all, I agree. Using Gentoo is nowadays not so much a matter of performance optimization but of better control of how to build the packages and the rolling release nature (I'm tired of major updates every 6 months in the majority of binary distros.) I also like the USE flags which let me chose how to build something and get rid of dependencies I don't need. Administrative features like dispatch-conf are also very useful. This is the main benefit of Gentoo for me. I have to use SuSE or RHEL at work for the database machines - Sybase will not support any other other distro - and the 1G+ base install from those distros drive me nuts. Contrast that with the DNS caches which run FreeBSD, the difference is about a factor of 5 if not more. I also get sick and tired of installing postfix on a database machine purely to send nagios alerts, and watching the distro helpfully want to pull in PostgreSQL, MySQL, LDAP, SASL, Courier and some fancy MTA-switcher thingy. All because the maintainer enables those features and now I gotta have them. No thanks. Rather give me USE so I say what goes on the box. -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com Often on gentoo related IRC chanels comes someone who asks why his firefox-bin (or openoffice-bin or *-bin) runs faster than his built-from-source firefox. Usually chan's gurus answer that upstream packagers use all the possible compiler optimizations (CFLAGS LDFLAGS etc.) for the given package, while the average gentoo users keeps a set of system wide very safe optimizations that are good for most packages, but not the best for every particolar package. Is that statement correct? === TopperH === I've always felt the compiled openoffice faster than the binary one, but if it is not the case portage also gives you the chance of establishing per-package optimisations on '/etc/portage/env/' or in the paludis bashrc, so if one user wants an particular app to go faster, he can research about the best way to build this one. This way, the user can keep the very safe optimisations for the rest of the system and some -unsafe optimisations- for the packages he want. It is more about choices... signature.asc Description: Esta parte del mensaje está firmada digitalmente
[gentoo-user] Re: Different servers behind the same router
Momesso Andrea wrote: Looks like my ISP allows both PPPoE and PPPoA. After some superficial googling it looks like PPPoE is preferred over ethernet modems and PPPoA over USB ones... Is it true? Nope. PPPoA is preferred generally, although not strongly so. The difference should be very minor, but if it's for free, why not use it? By the way what I need to do is to enable CONFIG_ATM and CONFIG_PPPOATM in the kernel and reemerge ppp with the atm USE flag. Then I need to change plugins_ppp1=( pppoe) into plugins_ppp1=( pppoa vc-encaps) in my /etc/conf.d/net. Is that all I need to have PPPoA working? Not sure, since I'm on a DSL NAT router/modem that connects to my ISP with PPPoA and to the PC with ethernet. But you can just try and see.
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo's advantage: optimized for your system -- huh?
On Wed, Feb 04, 2009 at 08:45:50AM -0430, Sebastián Magrí wrote: [snip] Often on gentoo related IRC chanels comes someone who asks why his firefox-bin (or openoffice-bin or *-bin) runs faster than his built-from-source firefox. Usually chan's gurus answer that upstream packagers use all the possible compiler optimizations (CFLAGS LDFLAGS etc.) for the given package, while the average gentoo users keeps a set of system wide very safe optimizations that are good for most packages, but not the best for every particolar package. Is that statement correct? === TopperH === I've always felt the compiled openoffice faster than the binary one, but if it is not the case portage also gives you the chance of establishing per-package optimisations on '/etc/portage/env/' or in the paludis bashrc, so if one user wants an particular app to go faster, he can research about the best way to build this one. This way, the user can keep the very safe optimisations for the rest of the system and some -unsafe optimisations- for the packages he want. It is more about choices... Sure, I've used per-package optimizations myself in some particular cases, but that's not the point. A package manteiner *should* know better than an average user which optimizations will tune better their own package. My question can be put like this: Do binary distro's per package optimiziations override the benefit of having arch specific optimiziations that gentoo allows? === TopperH === pgp5Jqrnm0iHU.pgp Description: PGP signature
[gentoo-user] /etc/init.d/: ntpd or ntp-client?
Hi there, I just logged into one of my machines that has recently been powered down for a few days - not a terribly common occurrence with my servers - to find a date of January 30th showing. I used to run ntp-client, but AIUI adding this to the default runlevel only sets the clock once at boot up. Of course the problem with that is that the computer's clock can become inaccurate if the spring tension is weak, as is obviously the case in my older PCs. So a while back I changed /etc/runlevels/default so that ntpd is started instead. I understood that ntpd was not only a server for my LAN (a facility I don't use) but that it would also periodically check the time with upstream servers keep the machine's clock in constant sync. So when I found the clock to be a week out of date I checked that ntpd appeared to be running (it was) and restarted it. The date remained the same. Stopping ntpd starting ntp-client corrected the date immediately. Before I do any investigation, can someone tell me if my understanding so far is correct? Is ntpd supposed to keep the machine's clock in constant sync, or is it only (say) a server to offer the date to clients? (depending upon the clock being set correctly by other means) I thought I had configured ntpd with upstream servers separately from ntp-client. Stroller.
Re: [gentoo-user] /etc/init.d/: ntpd or ntp-client?
Stroller schrieb:
Hi there,
I just logged into one of my machines that has recently been powered
down for a few days - not a terribly common occurrence with my servers -
to find a date of January 30th showing.
I used to run ntp-client, but AIUI adding this to the default runlevel
only sets the clock once at boot up. Of course the problem with that is
that the computer's clock can become inaccurate if the spring tension is
weak, as is obviously the case in my older PCs.
So a while back I changed /etc/runlevels/default so that ntpd is started
instead.
I understood that ntpd was not only a server for my LAN (a facility I
don't use) but that it would also periodically check the time with
upstream servers keep the machine's clock in constant sync.
So when I found the clock to be a week out of date I checked that ntpd
appeared to be running (it was) and restarted it. The date remained the
same. Stopping ntpd starting ntp-client corrected the date immediately.
Before I do any investigation, can someone tell me if my understanding
so far is correct? Is ntpd supposed to keep the machine's clock in
constant sync, or is it only (say) a server to offer the date to
clients? (depending upon the clock being set correctly by other means) I
thought I had configured ntpd with upstream servers separately from
ntp-client.
Stroller.
pkg_postinst() {
ewarn You can find an example /etc/ntp.conf in /usr/share/ntp/
ewarn Review /etc/ntp.conf to setup server info.
ewarn Review /etc/conf.d/ntpd to setup init.d info.
echo
elog The way ntp sets and maintains your system time has changed.
elog Now you can use /etc/init.d/ntp-client to set your time at
elog boot while you can use /etc/init.d/ntpd to maintain your time
elog while your machine runs
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[gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo's advantage: 'optimized for your system' -- huh?
Sebastián Magrí wrote: Also, Gentoo is a great school. If you want to learn how a Linux system works, and really want to learn about Unix systems, then Gentoo is the best for you. I don't get that argument. I didn't learn how Linux or Unix works with Gentoo. I didn't even find my prior knowledge of Unix and Linux of much use either. Typing emerge package and dispatch-conf doesn't offer me much knowledge. It's as simple as Debian in this regard. If I wanted a learn Unix distro, I would be using Slackware :P
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo's advantage: 'optimized for your system' -- huh?
El Mie, 4 de Febrero de 2009, 11:08, Nikos Chantziaras escribió: Jesús Guerrero wrote: [...] A big big advantage is that besides the huge number of packages that we have, we also have dozens of overlays. [...] and some of them are really bug. QFT ;) Ouch, I meant big, though that applies as well :lol: -- Jesús Guerrero
Re: [gentoo-user] /etc/init.d/: ntpd or ntp-client?
On Wednesday 04 February 2009 15:38:11 Stroller wrote: Before I do any investigation, can someone tell me if my understanding so far is correct? Is ntpd supposed to keep the machine's clock in constant sync, or is it only (say) a server to offer the date to clients? (depending upon the clock being set correctly by other means) I thought I had configured ntpd with upstream servers separately from ntp-client. ntp is one of those things that looks really easy and turns out to be horrendously complicated once you scratch the surface. The problem is not ntp itself, it's the subject of time. ntp is indeed both a server for it's host machine and your LAN, but also a client to upstream. It is also full of precautions: It will not make your clock jump forwards or backwards if your time is way out. ntp keeps track of how weak your clock spring is and gradually pulls the local clock back into sync with the master clock by making the length of seconds fractionally shorter or longer. It does this so that there are no gaps in the time record. If it suddenly pulled the clock forward, the time tick for midnight might never happen and your crons might not run. I forget what the threshold is, but it's not long; and it can take several hours to correct a clock that is only a few minutes out. ntpd is really designed for Unix servers with 3 digit uptimes and clocks not assembled by Mickey Mouse's younger brother (which seems to include all pcs ever made.) Most folk are better off with ntpdate run from a cron. When run, it checks the upstream time and immediately corrects the local clock to that time. Schedule it for once an hour or so, depending on your bandwidth and local ntp site's policies. -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
[gentoo-user] syslog-ng +bash history
Hello Everything that is written by users on console is logged in 3 different files (debug , syslog, messages) ... I'd like to route all history logs to one file only... i know how to make a filter which would write it to specific file but still everything is written to other files as well. is there possibility to configure syslog-ng to log history only to one file (for example history.log) and leave others files clean? best regards nichu
Re: [gentoo-user] ENTER doesn't work in google.com?
On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 4:04 AM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: Nikos Chantziaras wrote: Am I going crazy? In google.com, when I enter a search query and press ENTER, nothing happens. Note: only on the *English* google.com. You get there by clicking the Google.com in English link. It's this: http://www.google.com/ncr Does the ENTER key work for anyone? I'm on Firefox 3.0.5. Konqeuror has no problem. Firefox 3.0.5. Works for me in Vista. Works for me in Gentoo. My issue on Gentoo lately is that the box where you are supposed to type isn't visible. There isn't any surrounding line like on Windows. When I hit the back button I Can see the sounding line, but as soon as my mouse passes over it the line goes away and the whole area is white. - Mark
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo's advantage: optimized for your system -- huh?
On Wed, 4 Feb 2009 14:31:26 +0100, Momesso Andrea wrote: Sure, I've used per-package optimizations myself in some particular cases, but that's not the point. A package manteiner *should* know better than an average user which optimizations will tune better their own package. But the user knows their own needs and system better. If the user is using -Os, it is reasonable to assume they have a reason for doing so and not override it. The only time ebuilds should override user CFLAGS is when the build is known to fail with certain settings. -- Neil Bothwick Top Oxymorons Number 36: Alone together signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] /etc/init.d/: ntpd or ntp-client?
On Wed, 4 Feb 2009 13:38:11 +, Stroller wrote: So when I found the clock to be a week out of date I checked that ntpd appeared to be running (it was) and restarted it. The date remained the same. Stopping ntpd starting ntp-client corrected the date immediately. ntpd will not change the time if the difference is too large, the man page gives the limit. You need to run both at boot; ntp-client sets the time immediately, no matter what the skew, then ntpd keeps the clock in time. -- Neil Bothwick Nymphomania-- an illness you hear about but never encounter. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] /etc/init.d/: ntpd or ntp-client?
Stroller wrote: Hi there, I just logged into one of my machines that has recently been powered down for a few days - not a terribly common occurrence with my servers - to find a date of January 30th showing. I used to run ntp-client, but AIUI adding this to the default runlevel only sets the clock once at boot up. Of course the problem with that is that the computer's clock can become inaccurate if the spring tension is weak, as is obviously the case in my older PCs. So a while back I changed /etc/runlevels/default so that ntpd is started instead. I understood that ntpd was not only a server for my LAN (a facility I don't use) but that it would also periodically check the time with upstream servers keep the machine's clock in constant sync. So when I found the clock to be a week out of date I checked that ntpd appeared to be running (it was) and restarted it. The date remained the same. Stopping ntpd starting ntp-client corrected the date immediately. Before I do any investigation, can someone tell me if my understanding so far is correct? Is ntpd supposed to keep the machine's clock in constant sync, or is it only (say) a server to offer the date to clients? (depending upon the clock being set correctly by other means) I thought I had configured ntpd with upstream servers separately from ntp-client. Stroller. I use ntpd here as well. Ntpd does not set it immediately like other commands do. From my understanding ntpd compares its time to a server then gradually adjusts the clock by speeding up or slowing down the clock. It takes a while to do this. If your clock is a long ways off then it will take longer. I'm not sure if this is still true but I read that if it is way off, several days or longer I would assume, it will require you to adjust it manually or you could set it with ntpdate which will set it instantly from one of the time servers. In this case, set the clock then restart ntpd. Hope that helps. Dale :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo's advantage: optimized for your system -- huh?
In message c1cfj-6j...@gated-at.bofh.it, Grant Edwards wrote: Whenever I see a write-up of Gentoo, it's describe as a system similar to BSD ports where you build packages from source. The main benefit claimed for this approach is that you get better performance because all executables are optimized for exactly the right instruction set. Where did that bit of apocrypha come from, and why is it parroted by so many people? It is not as apocryphal as you suggest! About 9 years ago I had a couple of boxes based on AMD K6-3 processors. No distributors built binaries for the K6 architecture; when I installed SuSE on a K6 it always used base-model Pentium packages, which ensured that instruction sets such as MMX and 3DNow! were never used. The machine ran like a clogged drain. When I installed Gentoo on those boxes, about 5 years ago, it was a revelation. Everything was compiled for the K6-3 processor, thus using its full instruction repertoire. Programs that took tens of seconds to respond when installed from binary RPMs suddenly responded instantly. So, your apocrypha are other people's revealed truth. ... :-) -- Regards Dave [RLU#314465] == dwn...@ntlworld.com (David W Noon) == signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
[gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo's advantage: optimized for your system -- huh?
On 2009-02-04, Paul Hartman paul.hartman+gen...@gmail.com wrote: This thread is not complete without the obligatory link: http://funroll-loops.info/ Brilliant! I really like this one: To me, an extra 0.1% performance increase, even if I am only imagining it to be faster, is certainly worth one day a week recompiling all of the latest packages from source code. Even if I do occasionally get my CFLAGS in a muddle! And this one pretty much echos my feelings: Real Gentoo users understand, it's not about OPTIMILAZIATIONS, it's about USE flags. Apparently I'm one of the people who think Gentoo rules because they can't use RPM properly. ;) -- Grant Edwards grante Yow! This PORCUPINE knows at his ZIPCODE ... And he has visi.comVISA!!
[gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo's advantage: 'optimized for your system' -- huh?
On 2009-02-04, Jes?s Guerrero i92gu...@terra.es wrote: El Mie, 4 de Febrero de 2009, 8:39, Alan McKinnon escribi?: On Wednesday 04 February 2009 09:27:31 Christopher Walters wrote: I personally don't view Gentoo as a distro in the traditional sense. To me, it's a build system, an app - portage or paludis - and the devs that make cool input files for that app. Building a distro from scratch for embedded devices is a painful process if you don't have an automated build system. It's not quite a trivial exercise, but portage does make it a whole lot easier. That's mostly what I call a metadistro. A set of tools and instructions to build a proper distro that suits you, and maintain it. Except that what you build and maintain isn't a distro, it's a single machine. -- Grant Edwards grante Yow! Are you still an at ALCOHOLIC? visi.com
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo's advantage: optimized for your system -- huh?
El mié, 04-02-2009 a las 14:31 +0100, Momesso Andrea escribió: On Wed, Feb 04, 2009 at 08:45:50AM -0430, Sebastián Magrí wrote: [snip] Often on gentoo related IRC chanels comes someone who asks why his firefox-bin (or openoffice-bin or *-bin) runs faster than his built-from-source firefox. Usually chan's gurus answer that upstream packagers use all the possible compiler optimizations (CFLAGS LDFLAGS etc.) for the given package, while the average gentoo users keeps a set of system wide very safe optimizations that are good for most packages, but not the best for every particolar package. Is that statement correct? === TopperH === I've always felt the compiled openoffice faster than the binary one, but if it is not the case portage also gives you the chance of establishing per-package optimisations on '/etc/portage/env/' or in the paludis bashrc, so if one user wants an particular app to go faster, he can research about the best way to build this one. This way, the user can keep the very safe optimisations for the rest of the system and some -unsafe optimisations- for the packages he want. It is more about choices... Sure, I've used per-package optimizations myself in some particular cases, but that's not the point. A package manteiner *should* know better than an average user which optimizations will tune better their own package. My question can be put like this: Do binary distro's per package optimiziations override the benefit of having arch specific optimiziations that gentoo allows? === TopperH === It does, but I am almost sure that most of the binary distro's package maintainers can't ship a package with hard optimisations because it will possibly work fine on his box but not in the user's box. There is where we heard histories about binary distros users compiling their apps to improve it's performance, possibly breaking their system at the same time. Gentoo maintainers *should* also know better than the users which optimisations can be given to the user for a package to build and work fine... Other case is when it represents a risk of having unstable apps, in that case dropping optimisations is necessary in order to have more stable apps. signature.asc Description: Esta parte del mensaje está firmada digitalmente
RE: [gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo's advantage: optimized for yoursystem -- huh?
My question can be put like this: Do binary distro's per package optimiziations override the benefit of having arch specific optimiziations that gentoo allows? Thinking about that... I guess a could future for future portage releases would be a USE flag the overrides the system's CFLAGS (besides -march) to what the package maintainer recommends. This would be interesting for processor-intensive stuff, like ffmpeg for example. This would also allow users to try some more dangerous flags only for packages were they are known to be safe.
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo's advantage: 'optimized for your system' -- huh?
On Wed, 4 Feb 2009 15:25:49 + (UTC), Grant Edwards wrote: Except that what you build and maintain isn't a distro, it's a single machine. Why? -- Neil Bothwick WinErr 01B: Illegal error - You are not allowed to get this error. Next time you will get a penalty for that. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] syslog-ng +bash history
2009/2/4 Marcin Niskiewicz mniskiew...@gmail.com:
Hello
Everything that is written by users on console is logged in 3 different
files (debug , syslog, messages) ...
I'd like to route all history logs to one file only... i know how to make a
filter which would write it to specific file but still everything is written
to other files as well.
is there possibility to configure syslog-ng to log history only to one file
(for example history.log) and leave others files clean?
best regards
nichu
Hello Marcin!
I imply that you already have done some modifications to your
syslog-ng.conf as logging everything the user type on the console is
not in the standard file that comes with gentoo.
Basically syslog-ng has got sources and destinations. So you have to
take a look at your syslog-ng.conf and find out the name of the
sources and the name of the destination of the history.log file.
Then you can simply add the following line (replace the variables accordingly)
log { source([source that was previously used for debug]);
source([source that was previously used for syslog]); source([source
that was previously used for messages]); destination([destination of
history.log]) };
If all the sources give you the same messages or they are one and the
same source just insert only this one. If your history.log file was
not defined by now you can simply add it as a destination with
destination [name] { file([path-to-history.log]/history.log);}
Also if there are other log lines that contain the sources and the
destinations that you mentioned you have to remove them completely if
they only contain this one source or just remove the source that
delivers the history.
Then syslog-ng should only log into history.log
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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo's advantage: optimized for yoursystem -- huh?
2009/2/4 Prado, Renato (R.P.) rpr...@visteon.com: My question can be put like this: Do binary distro's per package optimiziations override the benefit of having arch specific optimiziations that gentoo allows? Thinking about that... I guess a could future for future portage releases would be a USE flag the overrides the system's CFLAGS (besides -march) to what the package maintainer recommends. This would be interesting for processor-intensive stuff, like ffmpeg for example. This would also allow users to try some more dangerous flags only for packages were they are known to be safe. I have -march=amdfam10 (Phenom) and I once watched the compilation of ffmpeg and it said something like CPU family amdfam10 unknown and it changed some of the CFLAGS (I can't remember which exactly) so I guess something like this is already somewhere under the hood. But I agree that a USE-Flag to decide over this behaviour would be great. -- Currently developing a browsergame... http://www.p-game.de Trade - Expand - Fight Follow me at twitter! http://twitter.com/moortier
[gentoo-user] Re: ENTER doesn't work in google.com?
Dale wrote: Nikos Chantziaras wrote: I fixed it with rm -rf ~/.mozilla/firefox :P Not a option here. I would loose ALL my emails too. O_O Is sort of weird tho. I can't imagine your emails being stored in there. Firefox doesn't deal with email. But you can simply mv ~/.mozilla/firefox ~/.mozilla/firefox.backup instead of deleting it just to be safe.
Re: [gentoo-user] KDE4.2 compile problem
On Tue, Feb 3, 2009 at 9:38 AM, Jerry McBride mcbrid...@comcast.net wrote: If you need more info, feel free to email me direct. why? off-list communications should only be done with off-topic conversations. If you have a solution for him, you should share it with the list so others can find solutions to similar problems. regards
[gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo's advantage: optimized for your system -- huh?
Paul Hartman paul.hartman+gentoo at gmail.com writes: One *BIG* difference is when the GPUs on video cards are used as co-processors on systems. ATI and Nv are working on making general purpose C languages for programs to take advantage of the power of the GPU. Look for Gentoo to beat the other distros, by the very nature of how it compiles code for everything. http://funroll-loops.info/ According to your logic, Nvidia and ATI(AMD) are ricers? http://developer.nvidia.com/object/cg_toolkit.html http://techreport.com/discussions.x/15886 Or maybe the folks at CMU are ricers? http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~cil/v-source.html Surely these folks at StonyBrook are ricers? http://www.ecsl.cs.sunysb.edu/fir/ Not to mention these folks at Stanford, http://novembertech.blogspot.com/2006/10/stanford-atis-gpu-can-calculate-much.html And all of these scientists are ricers? http://gpgpu.org/ I count myself proud to be among this company of ricers as you put it.. James
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: libtool problem
On Tue, 03 Feb 2009 22:25:34 -0500, ABCD wrote: The reason there wasn't a bump (IIRC) was that the ebuild never changed - - only the eclass did. If you emerged any version of GCC during the window where the eclass was broken, that version of GCC would have been broken. Of course, I'd forgotten that the change was in the eclass. -- Neil Bothwick I understand the answers, the questions throw me. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo's advantage: 'optimized for your system' -- huh?
El Mie, 4 de Febrero de 2009, 8:39, Alan McKinnon escribió: On Wednesday 04 February 2009 09:27:31 Christopher Walters wrote: I personally don't view Gentoo as a distro in the traditional sense. To me, it's a build system, an app - portage or paludis - and the devs that make cool input files for that app. Building a distro from scratch for embedded devices is a painful process if you don't have an automated build system. It's not quite a trivial exercise, but portage does make it a whole lot easier. That's mostly what I call a metadistro. A set of tools and instructions to build a proper distro that suits you, and maintain it. -- Jesús Guerrero
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Different servers behind the same router
On Wed, Feb 04, 2009 at 01:36:55AM +0200, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: Momesso Andrea wrote: On Tue, Feb 03, 2009 at 05:52:13PM +, Stroller wrote: On 3 Feb 2009, at 17:43, Momesso Andrea wrote: ... What happens if I decide to switch to the router configuration? If I have a single IP for all the machines in the LAN, when someone from the outside will try to connect to homeserver.foo or to webserver.bar, will they be routed to the correct machine? No, they will all reach the router's IP address. It will have an option for port forwarding so that you can forward port 80 to the webserver and ports 25 110 to the mail server. If you have two webservers behind the router then you need to use one to proxy forward to the other. NAT is another Google keyword. Stroller. Is it correct to say that the configuration I alredy have (pppoe and different IPs) is the best choice? Since your ISP offers you the option to have two different IP, yes that the best choice. Over here I would have to pay quite some money to get an extra IP. So you're lucky I guess. Also, if your ISP allows PPPoA too instead of only PPPoE, use that instead. It's a bit more optimal due to less overhead. But it's not critical or something. Just a little and safe optimization. Looks like my ISP allows both PPPoE and PPPoA. After some superficial googling it looks like PPPoE is preferred over ethernet modems and PPPoA over USB ones... Is it true? By the way what I need to do is to enable CONFIG_ATM and CONFIG_PPPOATM in the kernel and reemerge ppp with the atm USE flag. Then I need to change plugins_ppp1=( pppoe) into plugins_ppp1=( pppoa vc-encaps) in my /etc/conf.d/net. Is that all I need to have PPPoA working? === TopperH === pgpo68yBGL3yk.pgp Description: PGP signature
[gentoo-user] Re: hal - what's the benefit of using it
Helmut Jarausch jarausch at igpm.rwth-aachen.de writes: having had some problems with recent xorg version my question is what are the benefits (if any) of building packages with the 'hal' use flag (i.e. adding 'hal' to US='...' in /etc/make.conf) This link is short and reasonable. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HAL_(software) Hardware Abstraction Layer is a buzz term that means many different things to many different hardware designers who need software to make their designs complete. hth, James
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo's advantage: optimized for your system -- huh?
With unit processors approaching up to 128 Cores on a single GPU I can see why the guys at all those institutions want to put EL lights in their big hawking 4 card SLI rigs? That's like 1600 Cores on a single system, Even Blue Gene L only has Dual Core PowerPC 440's, whith AMD's 4870 having 800 SPU's on a single die, the X2 has two of them; oh and did we mention they are cheap? (Blue Gene cost 100 million, right now a 4870x2 is only $500). No they would never be useful for anything other then rendering bouncing bobbies! ;) On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 11:07 AM, James wirel...@tampabay.rr.com wrote: Paul Hartman paul.hartman+gentoo at gmail.com writes: One *BIG* difference is when the GPUs on video cards are used as co-processors on systems. ATI and Nv are working on making general purpose C languages for programs to take advantage of the power of the GPU. Look for Gentoo to beat the other distros, by the very nature of how it compiles code for everything. http://funroll-loops.info/ According to your logic, Nvidia and ATI(AMD) are ricers? http://developer.nvidia.com/object/cg_toolkit.html http://techreport.com/discussions.x/15886 Or maybe the folks at CMU are ricers? http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~cil/v-source.html Surely these folks at StonyBrook are ricers? http://www.ecsl.cs.sunysb.edu/fir/ Not to mention these folks at Stanford, http://novembertech.blogspot.com/2006/10/stanford-atis-gpu-can-calculate-much.html And all of these scientists are ricers? http://gpgpu.org/ I count myself proud to be among this company of ricers as you put it.. James -- Hazen Valliant-Saunders IT/IS Consultant (613) 355-5977
[gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo's advantage: 'optimized for your system' -- huh?
On 2009-02-04, Neil Bothwick n...@digimed.co.uk wrote: On Wed, 4 Feb 2009 15:25:49 + (UTC), Grant Edwards wrote: Except that what you build and maintain isn't a distro, it's a single machine. Why? Do you distribute what you're building as a something for others to use to install Linux? I don't, and none of the other Gentoo users I know do. They're all building and maintaining installations on individual machines. -- Grant Edwards grante Yow! My life is a patio at of fun! visi.com
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: ENTER doesn't work in google.com?
2009/2/4 Nikos Chantziaras rea...@arcor.de: I can't imagine your emails being stored in there. Firefox doesn't deal with email. But you can simply mv ~/.mozilla/firefox ~/.mozilla/firefox.backup instead of deleting it just to be safe. He's using Seamonkey, not Firefox.
[gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo's advantage: optimized for your system -- huh?
On 2009-02-04, James wirel...@tampabay.rr.com wrote: Paul Hartman paul.hartman+gentoo at gmail.com writes: One *BIG* difference is when the GPUs on video cards are used as co-processors on systems. ATI and Nv are working on making general purpose C languages for programs to take advantage of the power of the GPU. Look for Gentoo to beat the other distros, by the very nature of how it compiles code for everything. http://funroll-loops.info/ According to your logic, Nvidia and ATI(AMD) are ricers? http://developer.nvidia.com/object/cg_toolkit.html http://techreport.com/discussions.x/15886 Or maybe the folks at CMU are ricers? http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~cil/v-source.html Surely these folks at StonyBrook are ricers? http://www.ecsl.cs.sunysb.edu/fir/ Not to mention these folks at Stanford, http://novembertech.blogspot.com/2006/10/stanford-atis-gpu-can-calculate-much.html And all of these scientists are ricers? http://gpgpu.org/ I count myself proud to be among this company of ricers as you put it.. And some of us count ourselves proud to be amongh the company of people who have a sense of humor. ;) -- Grant Edwards grante Yow! This PIZZA symbolizes at my COMPLETE EMOTIONAL visi.comRECOVERY!!
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: hal - what's the benefit of using it
Um, you are using the HAL weather you want to or not, it's not really an option! The HARDWARE ABSTRACTION LAYER with respect to good ol linux happens to be your kernel and it's drivers. The bare metal registers within which all those bits are moved is called the hardware; all those configuration files and source you compile is considered the software, anything that creates the transparency between the two is refereed to as the HAL (In windows 98 it was a single DLL file), in Linux it's the source code and binaries of the kernel and drivers, all modern computers regardless of low level arch have a HAL. Regards, Hazen. On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 11:17 AM, James wirel...@tampabay.rr.com wrote: Helmut Jarausch jarausch at igpm.rwth-aachen.de writes: having had some problems with recent xorg version my question is what are the benefits (if any) of building packages with the 'hal' use flag (i.e. adding 'hal' to US='...' in /etc/make.conf) This link is short and reasonable. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HAL_(software) Hardware Abstraction Layer is a buzz term that means many different things to many different hardware designers who need software to make their designs complete. hth, James -- Hazen Valliant-Saunders IT/IS Consultant (613) 355-5977
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo's advantage: optimized for your system -- huh?
On Mittwoch 04 Februar 2009, Momesso Andrea wrote: On Wed, Feb 04, 2009 at 08:58:23AM +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: On Wednesday 04 February 2009 01:48:34 Nikos Chantziaras wrote: So all in all, I agree. Using Gentoo is nowadays not so much a matter of performance optimization but of better control of how to build the packages and the rolling release nature (I'm tired of major updates every 6 months in the majority of binary distros.) I also like the USE flags which let me chose how to build something and get rid of dependencies I don't need. Administrative features like dispatch-conf are also very useful. This is the main benefit of Gentoo for me. I have to use SuSE or RHEL at work for the database machines - Sybase will not support any other other distro - and the 1G+ base install from those distros drive me nuts. Contrast that with the DNS caches which run FreeBSD, the difference is about a factor of 5 if not more. I also get sick and tired of installing postfix on a database machine purely to send nagios alerts, and watching the distro helpfully want to pull in PostgreSQL, MySQL, LDAP, SASL, Courier and some fancy MTA-switcher thingy. All because the maintainer enables those features and now I gotta have them. No thanks. Rather give me USE so I say what goes on the box. -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com Often on gentoo related IRC chanels comes someone who asks why his firefox-bin (or openoffice-bin or *-bin) runs faster than his built-from-source firefox. Usually chan's gurus answer that upstream packagers use all the possible compiler optimizations (CFLAGS LDFLAGS etc.) for the given package, while the average gentoo users keeps a set of system wide very safe optimizations that are good for most packages, but not the best for every particolar package. Is that statement correct? partly. Gentoo CFLAGS don't replace the ones already there. Except stuff like OX where the package has something like O99 set (mplayer, hello) and you set O2 or Os. O99 = O3. But you shouldn't see any difference.
[gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo's advantage: 'optimized for your system' -- huh?
Jesús Guerrero wrote: [...] A big big advantage is that besides the huge number of packages that we have, we also have dozens of overlays. [...] and some of them are really bug. QFT ;)
Re: [gentoo-user] KDE4.2 compile problem
On Wednesday 04 February 2009 05:52:16 am Norberto Bensa wrote: On Tue, Feb 3, 2009 at 9:38 AM, Jerry McBride mcbrid...@comcast.net wrote: If you need more info, feel free to email me direct. why? off-list communications should only be done with off-topic conversations. If you have a solution for him, you should share it with the list so others can find solutions to similar problems. regards Well.. you just answered your own message. I DON'T have an answer, but I'm willing to answer any questions he may have off line... That was the purpose of my OP... What's the mystery? -- * From the desk of: Jerome D. McBride 06:50:28 up 49 days, 12:56, 5 users, load average: 0.16, 0.14, 0.05 *
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo's advantage: 'optimized for your system' -- huh?
On Wed, 4 Feb 2009 16:01:19 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: If I wanted a learn Unix distro, I would be using Slackware :P s/Slackware/Linux From Scratch/ That just teaches you to read and repeat the same commands over and over. You learn about Linux by administering it, not installing it. -- Neil Bothwick By the time you can make ends meet, they move the ends. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo's advantage: 'optimized for your system' -- huh?
El Mie, 4 de Febrero de 2009, 0:06, Paul Hartman escribió: On Tue, Feb 3, 2009 at 4:39 PM, Grant Edwards gra...@visi.com wrote: Whenever I see a write-up of Gentoo, it's describe as a system similar to BSD ports where you build packages from source. The main benefit claimed for this approach is that you get better performance because all executables are optimized for exactly the right instruction set. Where did that bit of apocrypha come from, and why is it parroted by so many people? I've never done any benchmarks on my system of i386 vs core2 or anything like that... I think the fact that gentoo allows you to control compiler flags which can potentially give you speedups is more of it. But, like you, building from source is kind of a side-effect of Gentoo and not the reason why. Compiling for the sake of compiling is just a waste of time, and that's why a lot of people say Just use Ubuntu or whatever. Not really. Compiling the things gives you control over what dependencies will that package have. In a binary distro mplayer will usually push like 80 or 800 (I never counted them) packages due to the number of features that it potentially has. If you don't install those, then the ldd info of the binary is broken because it can't find the needed object files outside of mplayer. Compiling the packages allow you to tune CFLAGS, ok. But even if you think that -most times- this doesn't make a difference, it's still worth the trouble compiling it, if only for the sake of mplayer not having to depend on 200MB of additional software for it to install correctly. In gentoo, this is as easy as to set your use flags up, and then emerge. Easy as hell, and you don't have to go ./configure'ing with a dozen parameters every single package in your system, because portage takes cares of that. I absolutely don't care much about the CFLAGS stuff, I just set up my -march and forget about it for years. And I think that there's a lot of point in using GEntoo, even if you have zero interest in compiling sofware there're still a lot of reasons why I would use Gentoo over any other Linux. -- Jesús Guerrero
Re: [gentoo-user] KDE4.2 compile problem
On Tue, Feb 3, 2009 at 11:34 PM, J. Roeleveld jo...@antarean.org wrote: Today succesfully installed kde4.2 on amd64. I first removed my old KDE completely and then installed it on a clean system. Only reinstalling the old kde libs for programs that have not yet been ported to kde4.2. Not run into any problems so far. Did have to unmask (~amd64) quite a few packages to get it to install. -- Joost I should have mentioned in my original email that I run ~x86 and that I upgraded from KDE4.1. I had a few blockers which I had to emerge -C, but other than that, everything except the systemsetting and startkde package emerge fine. I tried looking at the order of the emerges, but nothing seems out of the ordinary as far as my knowledge goes. I tried rebuilding the dependacies of systemsettings, but that did not resolve the problem. What can I do about this? No one else seem to have this problem? Regards Dirk Hi Dirk, Did you try fully removing the entire KDE-chain? Eg. emerge -C all the kde packages in the /var/lib/portage/world file and then removing the remaining packages using emerge --depclean ? This is what I did when moving from 3.5.10 to 4.2.0. -- Joost
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo's advantage: 'optimized for your system' -- huh?
On Wed, 4 Feb 2009 16:19:17 + (UTC), Grant Edwards wrote: Except that what you build and maintain isn't a distro, it's a single machine. Why? Do you distribute what you're building as a something for others to use to install Linux? I don't, and none of the other Gentoo users I know do. They're all building and maintaining installations on individual machines. It doesn't have to be for others. What about someone maintaining a network of machines? -- Neil Bothwick EMail - garbage at the speed of light. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo's advantage: optimized for your system -- huh?
On Wednesday 04 February 2009 15:31:26 Momesso Andrea wrote: My question can be put like this: Do binary distro's per package optimiziations override the benefit of having arch specific optimiziations that gentoo allows? That can only be answered with valid benchmarks on paper in front of you. Have you performed valid benchmark tests? -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
[gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo's advantage: optimized for your system -- huh?
Hazen Valliant-Saunders hazenvs at gmail.com writes: No they would never be useful for anything other then rendering bouncing bobbies! ;) Bouncing bobbies? Sound like a fraternity game for new recruits... So Searching and Sorting, are documented to orders of magnitude faster on GPU (SIMD) machines. Are those 'bouncing bobbies' algorithms that form much of our software foundation? common, How could you look at video or play video games without the GPU. It's opening up and going mainstream. Gentoo is naturally positioned to be the distro of choice. Watch, wait and learn. James
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo's advantage: optimized for your system -- huh?
On Wed, Feb 04, 2009 at 03:59:44PM +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: On Wednesday 04 February 2009 15:31:26 Momesso Andrea wrote: My question can be put like this: Do binary distro's per package optimiziations override the benefit of having arch specific optimiziations that gentoo allows? That can only be answered with valid benchmarks on paper in front of you. Have you performed valid benchmark tests? Nope, if I had there would have been no reason to ask... :) === TopperH === pgpbhLQnjMuRe.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] problem with mail server
2009/2/3 kashani kashani-l...@badapple.net I think you've got a couple of problems, but none of them individually jump at as the cause of your problems. However making these three changes together might help. 1. Turn your max_user_connections in Mysql down to something sane. Default is 100 which is fine unless you're also running a web app against the same Mysql instance. 2. Use proxy in your Mysql connections from Postfix. Postfix can be configured to open a connection to Mysql and keep it open. Basically acts a connection pool and keep Postfix from opening hundreds of connections to Mysql on a very busy server. I recommend *always* using the proxy: statement anytime you're connecting to Mysql from Postfix. Your new transport_map statement will look like this. transport_maps = proxy:mysql:/etc/mail/sql/mysql-transport.cf Generally you shouldn't be running into connection issues because you're hitting Mysql on localhost which means it'll default to a socket connection. It's possible that opening a new session is taking to too long occasionally and using proxy should alleviate that. 3. You're using Postfix 2.1 or earlier query syntax. Hell it might even be Postfix 1.x syntax. This is the new syntax for Postfix 2.2 or better. This really isn't a problem, but the new syntax is far more powerful and suspect bugs that creep into the parser around old syntax aren't noticed or getting fixed. user = postfix password = password hosts = localhost dbname = maildb query = SELECT destination FROM domain WHERE domain='%s' I'm not sure what how-to you've been using, but I'd look at a few others to see some of the other options available. The one you're using seems to be pretty far out of date. While not wrong in any way it isn't taking full advantage of the last seven years of updates in Postfix. kashani thank You for Your response I switch all of mysql connections to proxy and I'll be watching if it helps. You're right - syntax of my configs were ancient - so I set them right. thank You again I hope it's solutions to my problems regards nichu
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo's advantage: 'optimized for your system' -- huh?
El Mie, 4 de Febrero de 2009, 7:17, Grant Edwards escribió: On 2009-02-04, James wirel...@tampabay.rr.com wrote: Grant Edwards grante at visi.com writes: Whenever I see a write-up of Gentoo, it's described as a system similar to BSD ports where you build packages from source. The main benefit claimed for this approach is that you get better performance because all executables are optimized for exactly the right instruction set. is practically nil in real-world usage. Not true. You can eliminate many non-essential portions of a compiled program, via use flag and the freedom you get to select software, as opposed to other distros. Smaller executables are usually always faster. [...] But that wasn't what I was talking about, and AFAICT that's not what reviewers are talking about when they talk about adjusting compiler flags to optimize performance. They seem to be talking about building for Athlon instead of P4 (or vice-versa). Perhaps I've always completely misunderstood the articles I've read, and they were indeed talking about USE flags that control options passed to configure and not about things like gcc's -march and -O options. USe flags can be used for anything. Note that ebuilds are ultimately bash scripts. And USE flags are just that: f-l-a-g-s. Flags are used in a script to control things that can be run -or not- depending on a condition, things like if in amd64 do this, if not, if hardened do that, if yes and hardened to anything else... That includes things like activating concrete portions of arch dependent code or a patch, things like passing a simple option to add or remove a dependency, and any other things that you could do manually on a shell. It can of course be used as well to adjust CFLAGS and other things depending on the architecture or whatever condition you want. And even more, they can be used to filter CFLAGS that the developers know that are harmful (and that's a big part of the portage stability, because in the past users used to shot themselves on the feet by adding a 20 lines long CFLAGS declaration into their make.conf's. Note that reviewers usually test a thing for 2 days, and then they think they are qualified to talk about whatever thing. Some times, these reviews are useless for this reason. They only scratch the surface, giving a bad impression or just a poor one. Note that I said some times, though I think that most times is potentially a more correct qualifier. -- Jesús Guerrero
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: ENTER doesn't work in google.com?
Nikos Chantziaras wrote: Dale wrote: Nikos Chantziaras wrote: Am I going crazy? In google.com, when I enter a search query and press ENTER, nothing happens. Note: only on the *English* google.com. You get there by clicking the Google.com in English link. It's this: http://www.google.com/ncr Does the ENTER key work for anyone? I'm on Firefox 3.0.5. Konqeuror has no problem. I clicked on your link and tried it, it looked like it just refreshed the page or something for me. No results or anything tho. Clicking the search button worked fine. r...@smoker / # emerge -pv seamonkey These are the packages that would be merged, in order: Calculating dependencies... done! [ebuild R ] www-client/seamonkey-1.1.14 USE=crypt ipv6 java ldap xprint -debug -gnome -mozdevelop -moznocompose -moznoirc -moznomail -moznopango -moznoroaming -postgres -xforms -xinerama 0 kB Total: 1 package (1 reinstall), Size of downloads: 0 kB r...@smoker / # Sort of weird, this worked a few days ago. I always hit enter/return when I do mine. ??? I fixed it with rm -rf ~/.mozilla/firefox :P Not a option here. I would loose ALL my emails too. O_O Is sort of weird tho. Dale :-) :-)
[gentoo-user] KDE-4.2 missing Oxygen
Hi, I was wondering if I'm the only one who is missing the Oxygen desktop theme when installing KDE-4.2 from the kde-testing overlay? /Regards Naga
Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo's advantage: 'optimized for your system' -- huh?
El mié, 04-02-2009 a las 11:09 +0100, Jesús Guerrero escribió: El Mie, 4 de Febrero de 2009, 0:06, Paul Hartman escribió: On Tue, Feb 3, 2009 at 4:39 PM, Grant Edwards gra...@visi.com wrote: Whenever I see a write-up of Gentoo, it's describe as a system similar to BSD ports where you build packages from source. The main benefit claimed for this approach is that you get better performance because all executables are optimized for exactly the right instruction set. Where did that bit of apocrypha come from, and why is it parroted by so many people? I've never done any benchmarks on my system of i386 vs core2 or anything like that... I think the fact that gentoo allows you to control compiler flags which can potentially give you speedups is more of it. But, like you, building from source is kind of a side-effect of Gentoo and not the reason why. Compiling for the sake of compiling is just a waste of time, and that's why a lot of people say Just use Ubuntu or whatever. Not really. Compiling the things gives you control over what dependencies will that package have. In a binary distro mplayer will usually push like 80 or 800 (I never counted them) packages due to the number of features that it potentially has. If you don't install those, then the ldd info of the binary is broken because it can't find the needed object files outside of mplayer. Compiling the packages allow you to tune CFLAGS, ok. But even if you think that -most times- this doesn't make a difference, it's still worth the trouble compiling it, if only for the sake of mplayer not having to depend on 200MB of additional software for it to install correctly. In gentoo, this is as easy as to set your use flags up, and then emerge. Easy as hell, and you don't have to go ./configure'ing with a dozen parameters every single package in your system, because portage takes cares of that. I absolutely don't care much about the CFLAGS stuff, I just set up my -march and forget about it for years. And I think that there's a lot of point in using GEntoo, even if you have zero interest in compiling sofware there're still a lot of reasons why I would use Gentoo over any other Linux. Also, Gentoo is a great school. If you want to learn how a Linux system works, and really want to learn about Unix systems, then Gentoo is the best for you. The huge knowledge base is one of the things that make Gentoo as good as it is, and left the users without excuses when they break the system. With the power of the CPUs growing every day, the -long time compiling- idea is becoming irrelevant, this way, I see more benefits on continue using mi beloved Gentoo and feel users have less excuses to continue using other distros, but, they are free of choosing, I choose Gentoo because Gentoo lets me choose... signature.asc Description: Esta parte del mensaje está firmada digitalmente
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: wlan0 promiscuous mode
On Sat, 31 Jan 2009 14:51:59 -0800 Grant emailgr...@gmail.com wrote: That all works great, the problem is it only works when net.wlan0 is started. I'm told I: need to load the modules and setup the interface for your card because that's probably what net.wlan0 does. I tried to look through net.wlan0 but I'm lost in there. Any idea what I might need to do that net.wlan0 usually does for me? - Grant net.wlan0 configures your interface. So, when switching back from monitor-mode to managed-mode, your setup for that interface is lost. You have to do something like: ath=wlan0 iwconfig $ath channel 11 iwconfig $ath essid 'my_essid' iwconfig $ath ap 05:1B:4F:22:XX:XX iwconfig $ath key mysecretkey open -- Dominic Kexel nexe...@evil-monkey-in-my-closet.com
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo's advantage: 'optimized for your system' -- huh?
El Mie, 4 de Febrero de 2009, 14:19, Nikos Chantziaras escribió: Sebastián Magrà wrote: Also, Gentoo is a great school. If you want to learn how a Linux system works, and really want to learn about Unix systems, then Gentoo is the best for you. I don't get that argument. I didn't learn how Linux or Unix works with Gentoo. I didn't even find my prior knowledge of Unix and Linux of much use either. Typing emerge package and dispatch-conf doesn't offer me much knowledge. It's as simple as Debian in this regard. If I wanted a learn Unix distro, I would be using Slackware :P Gentoo forces you to use linux in the sense that you need to do all the work by yourself to install it. What you describe is just the regular update/install process, which is simple enough as you said. But installing the OS is another thing. Not too difficult, but without a doubt you need to know or learn the basics of linux to be able to handle it. Most distros just require that you put the cd in the tray and press next, then you appear into a kde or gnome desktop. In Gentoo the installation is manual and you need to deal with a lot of basic stuff. For an experienced user, to install Gentoo is a piece of cake, no doubt. Also, note that he said linux, and not unix. If you want to learn Unix, then slackware is no more Unix-like than gentoo, it might be even less. For a unix-like OS look into solaris or any bsd flavor instead. -- Jesús Guerrero
Re: [gentoo-user] KDE-4.2 missing Oxygen
On Wed, 4 Feb 2009 18:13:47 +0100, Naga wrote: I was wondering if I'm the only one who is missing the Oxygen desktop theme when installing KDE-4.2 from the kde-testing overlay? It's there when you install 4.2 from the main portage tree. -- Neil Bothwick What colour is a chameleon on a mirror? signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo's advantage: 'optimized for your system' -- huh?
El Mie, 4 de Febrero de 2009, 16:25, Grant Edwards escribió: On 2009-02-04, Jes?s Guerrero i92gu...@terra.es wrote: El Mie, 4 de Febrero de 2009, 8:39, Alan McKinnon escribi?: On Wednesday 04 February 2009 09:27:31 Christopher Walters wrote: I personally don't view Gentoo as a distro in the traditional sense. To me, it's a build system, an app - portage or paludis - and the devs that make cool input files for that app. Building a distro from scratch for embedded devices is a painful process if you don't have an automated build system. It's not quite a trivial exercise, but portage does make it a whole lot easier. That's mostly what I call a metadistro. A set of tools and instructions to build a proper distro that suits you, and maintain it. Except that what you build and maintain isn't a distro, it's a single machine. That I only know ;) It's up to you if you reuse the distro on a second machine or on a whole cluster. And certainly, Gentoo provide the means to reutilize whatever you compiled and configured on many machines, like with catalyst and the newer metro tool from drobbins. -- Jesús Guerrero
[gentoo-user] Re: ENTER doesn't work in google.com?
Michael Holmes wrote: 2009/2/4 Nikos Chantziaras rea...@arcor.de: I can't imagine your emails being stored in there. Firefox doesn't deal with email. But you can simply mv ~/.mozilla/firefox ~/.mozilla/firefox.backup instead of deleting it just to be safe. He's using Seamonkey, not Firefox. This just reminded me of why I don't use apps that do more than one thing at the same. If they fsck up, you might lose more than one thing.
RE: [gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo's advantage: 'optimized for yoursystem' -- huh?
El Mie, 4 de Febrero de 2009, 16:39, Prado, Renato (R.P.) escribió: My question can be put like this: Do binary distro's per package optimiziations override the benefit of having arch specific optimiziations that gentoo allows? Thinking about that... I guess a could future for future portage releases would be a USE flag the overrides the system's CFLAGS (besides -march) to what the package maintainer recommends. This would be interesting for processor-intensive stuff, like ffmpeg for example. This would also allow users to try some more dangerous flags only for packages were they are known to be safe. Unless you mean a different thing, that can be achieved and is already done in some packages. For example, mplayer has a USE flag called custom-cflags which freely allow you to break it as much as you want. And if an ebuild bothers you filtering flags, you can always overlay it and remove the filters. If you can't do that, you definitely don't qualify to break your CFLAGS. -- Jesús Guerrero
[gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo's advantage: 'optimized for your system' -- huh?
Jesús Guerrero wrote: El Mie, 4 de Febrero de 2009, 14:19, Nikos Chantziaras escribió: Sebastián Magrà wrote: Also, Gentoo is a great school. If you want to learn how a Linux system works, and really want to learn about Unix systems, then Gentoo is the best for you. I don't get that argument. I didn't learn how Linux or Unix works with Gentoo. I didn't even find my prior knowledge of Unix and Linux of much use either. Typing emerge package and dispatch-conf doesn't offer me much knowledge. It's as simple as Debian in this regard. If I wanted a learn Unix distro, I would be using Slackware :P Gentoo forces you to use linux in the sense that you need to do all the work by yourself to install it. What you describe is just the regular update/install process, which is simple enough as you said. It was very easy for me. The first I came in tough with Gentoo was with the 2007 DVD. I booted, double clicked the installer icon, clicked next a few times with checking some tickboxes too, and then emerged -e system and world and the packages I need. After that I was asking myself where the difficulty lies many people refer to when it comes to installing Gentoo. Seriously, I didn't learn anything. Maybe CLFAGS and USE flags.
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo's advantage: 'optimized for your system' -- huh?
El Mie, 4 de Febrero de 2009, 17:19, Grant Edwards escribió: On 2009-02-04, Neil Bothwick n...@digimed.co.uk wrote: On Wed, 4 Feb 2009 15:25:49 + (UTC), Grant Edwards wrote: Except that what you build and maintain isn't a distro, it's a single machine. Why? Do you distribute what you're building as a something for others to use to install Linux? I don't, and none of the other Gentoo users I know do. They're all building and maintaining installations on individual machines. Not true at all. Lost of uses do stage4 and stage5 stuff to deploy them in lots of places. Even the official stage3 have been built using Gentoo of course, and the livecds using the Gentoo tools and catalyst. So, as you see, some of the stuff created with this metadistro is deployed in thosands of machines. Oh, and don't forget about the drobbins stuff in funtoo, which is also built using to a lesser degree the Gentoo stuff. There are some other projects that build a distro starting from a Gentoo base which could fit better in your concept of what a distro is, like vidalinux or sabayon. But even if that was the case, that doesn't change the fact that you are building your own distro using the Gentoo tools. A linux distribution is not called so because it's distributed world wide. A linux distribution is defined as a linux kernel with some userland tools. Even if it's just a kernel with vi on a floppy. So, gentoo is a metadistro that you use to build a distro. Even if the only consumer for that distro is going to be you. It's like writing songs. They are songs, even if no one ever hear them but you and your parents, or your girlfriend, or whomever. -- Jesús Guerrero
RE: [gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo's advantage: 'optimized for yoursystem' -- huh?
Unless you mean a different thing, that can be achieved and is already done in some packages. For example, mplayer has a USE flag called custom-cflags which freely allow you to break it as much as you want. What I meant was something like this: supposed that the maintainer of a particular package knows the -O3 causes a massive performance increase (just an example, I know that usually -03 only gives marginally better performance and that it can even make stuff slower), if the user has the simmonsays USE flag enabled, that package will be built with -03, respecting the users' -march setting but overriding -On. Developing the idea, there could be a performance and a stability USE flags, that would use the recommended CFLAGS for each package, some sort of automated ricing ;-)
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo's advantage: 'optimized for your system' -- huh?
El Mie, 4 de Febrero de 2009, 18:48, Nikos Chantziaras escribió: Jesús Guerrero wrote: El Mie, 4 de Febrero de 2009, 14:19, Nikos Chantziaras escribió: Sebastián Magrà wrote: Also, Gentoo is a great school. If you want to learn how a Linux system works, and really want to learn about Unix systems, then Gentoo is the best for you. I don't get that argument. I didn't learn how Linux or Unix works with Gentoo. I didn't even find my prior knowledge of Unix and Linux of much use either. Typing emerge package and dispatch-conf doesn't offer me much knowledge. It's as simple as Debian in this regard. If I wanted a learn Unix distro, I would be using Slackware :P Gentoo forces you to use linux in the sense that you need to do all the work by yourself to install it. What you describe is just the regular update/install process, which is simple enough as you said. It was very easy for me. The first I came in tough with Gentoo was with the 2007 DVD. I booted, double clicked the installer icon, clicked next a few times with checking some tickboxes too, and then emerged -e system and world and the packages I need. After that I was asking myself where the difficulty lies many people refer to when it comes to installing Gentoo. Seriously, I didn't learn anything. Maybe CLFAGS and USE flags. You used the installer. Which should never be used because it's buggy and crappy, it has caused lots of problems, and for me it spoils the whole gentoo thing because lots of newcomers that use it have nothing but problems. In addition, they don't learn the basic linux stuff we were talking about, and hence, they have problems administering their machines, dealing with packages, mixing software branches, creating overlays, configuring their systems and many more. Problems whose solution they wouldn't need to ask (spamming the lists and forums in the way) if they had used the handbook in first place. In my opinion that buggy livecd was in all sense a bad thing and should have never existed. Gentoo is installed by hand usually, following the handbook, and not clicking next. Once you read the whole handbook you can have an opinion if a new user would learn a thing or two by using it or not. A wouldn't have expected that a brave slacker would choose the graphical installer ;) -- Jesús Guerrero
Re: [gentoo-user] /etc/init.d/: ntpd or ntp-client?
Am Mittwoch, 4. Februar 2009 14:57:28 schrieb Alan McKinnon: ntpd is really designed for Unix servers with 3 digit uptimes and clocks not assembled by Mickey Mouse's younger brother (which seems to include all pcs ever made.) Errh, no. It is designed for exactly those machines, so that they are independant of their hardware (Mickey Mouse) clock and of course to keep them all in sync with each other (and the Unix servers they connect to). Most folk are better off with ntpdate run from a cron. When run, it checks the upstream time and immediately corrects the local clock to that time. Schedule it for once an hour or so, depending on your bandwidth and local ntp site's policies. That does exactly what NTP tries to avoid: Time jumps. So when you're not connected to the net permanently, one has two choices: 1) Choose one of your machines as the ntp time server which delivers the time of its internal clock and synchronize each others time with this one. In the end it only matters that the time is correct in _your_ own network, isn't it. 2) If even the most accurate internal clock on your network is not accurate enough, plug an accurate time source into one machine you choose as time server, then goto 1). Bye... Dirk signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: games-fps without blood
On Tue, Feb 3, 2009 at 12:14 PM, pk pete...@coolmail.se wrote: Andrew Gaydenko wrote: Ups.. He-he... :-) I have thought it is frame per second - is related to 3D reality reconstruction, where GL, *fps* and such are needed, used, told about. Fine! Probably there are not-FPS :-) beauty (rich 3D) games for little boy, are not they? Well, if you can lower your requirements a little to include 2D games then there are quite a few interesting games: 2D: 1. Freedroid 2. Frozen Bubble 3. Rocks n' diamonds 4. XMoto ... of course there are a few that contain indirect violence like freeciv, battle for wesnoth, etc. Freecol is a great game that is in Portage and can provide for hours of entertainment - it's a Java-based clone of Sid Meier's Colonization, one of the best turn-based strategy games ever. Might be a little much for a 7-year old, but might not be, either. ;) -James
Re: [gentoo-user] /etc/init.d/: ntpd or ntp-client?
On 4 Feb 2009, at 13:40, Justin wrote:
Stroller schrieb:
...
I understood that ntpd was not only a server for my LAN (a facility I
don't use) but that it would also periodically check the time with
upstream servers keep the machine's clock in constant sync.
...
pkg_postinst() {
ewarn You can find an example /etc/ntp.conf in /usr/share/ntp/
ewarn Review /etc/ntp.conf to setup server info.
ewarn Review /etc/conf.d/ntpd to setup init.d info.
echo
elog The way ntp sets and maintains your system time has changed.
elog Now you can use /etc/init.d/ntp-client to set your time at
elog boot while you can use /etc/init.d/ntpd to maintain your time
elog while your machine runs
Right! That's the very message which caused me to switch!
Stroller.
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: libtool problem
Am Mittwoch, 4. Februar 2009 04:25:34 schrieb ABCD: The reason there wasn't a bump (IIRC) was that the ebuild never changed - only the eclass did. If you emerged any version of GCC during the window where the eclass was broken, that version of GCC would have been broken. That also means that portage is broken. Whenever something changes where other things depend on, those other things should be rebuilt. This doesn't happen here. Bye... Dirk signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] /etc/init.d/: ntpd or ntp-client?
On 4 Feb 2009, at 14:11, Neil Bothwick wrote: On Wed, 4 Feb 2009 13:38:11 +, Stroller wrote: So when I found the clock to be a week out of date I checked that ntpd appeared to be running (it was) and restarted it. The date remained the same. Stopping ntpd starting ntp-client corrected the date immediately. ntpd will not change the time if the difference is too large, the man page gives the limit. You need to run both at boot; ntp-client sets the time immediately, no matter what the skew, then ntpd keeps the clock in time. I see. Many thanks. I am surprised my clock got so far out of whack, having been only switched off a few days. I don't think the battery is completely dead. The difference in behaviour seems unexpected, but surely makes sense from the developers' point-of-view. I will set both in the default runlevel keep an eye on things. Stroller.
Re: [gentoo-user] /etc/init.d/: ntpd or ntp-client?
Stroller wrote:
On 4 Feb 2009, at 13:40, Justin wrote:
Stroller schrieb:
...
I understood that ntpd was not only a server for my LAN (a facility I
don't use) but that it would also periodically check the time with
upstream servers keep the machine's clock in constant sync.
...
pkg_postinst() {
ewarn You can find an example /etc/ntp.conf in /usr/share/ntp/
ewarn Review /etc/ntp.conf to setup server info.
ewarn Review /etc/conf.d/ntpd to setup init.d info.
echo
elog The way ntp sets and maintains your system time has changed.
elog Now you can use /etc/init.d/ntp-client to set your time at
elog boot while you can use /etc/init.d/ntpd to maintain your time
elog while your machine runs
Right! That's the very message which caused me to switch!
Stroller.
so use the ntp-client to set the time at boot and use ntp to keep clock
synced.
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: games-fps without blood
On Mittwoch 04 Februar 2009, James Ausmus wrote: Freecol is a great game that is in Portage and can provide for hours of entertainment - it's a Java-based clone of Sid Meier's Colonization, one of the best turn-based strategy games ever. Might be a little much for a 7-year old, but might not be, either. ;) it is also very buggy - which makes it pretty frustrating for everybody without tons of good will. Which makes it unsuitable for children.
Re: [gentoo-user] KDE-4.2 missing Oxygen
On Wednesday 04 February 2009 18:32:52 Neil Bothwick wrote: On Wed, 4 Feb 2009 18:13:47 +0100, Naga wrote: I was wondering if I'm the only one who is missing the Oxygen desktop theme when installing KDE-4.2 from the kde-testing overlay? It's there when you install 4.2 from the main portage tree. My bad, I did install from portage, kde-testing was before. Do you use kdeprefix? /Regards Naga
Re: [gentoo-user] /etc/init.d/: ntpd or ntp-client?
On 4 Feb 2009, at 18:23, Justin wrote:
Stroller wrote:
On 4 Feb 2009, at 13:40, Justin wrote:
Stroller schrieb:
...
I understood that ntpd was not only a server for my LAN (a
facility I
don't use) but that it would also periodically check the time with
upstream servers keep the machine's clock in constant sync.
...
pkg_postinst() {
ewarn You can find an example /etc/ntp.conf in /usr/share/ntp/
ewarn Review /etc/ntp.conf to setup server info.
ewarn Review /etc/conf.d/ntpd to setup init.d info.
echo
elog The way ntp sets and maintains your system time has
changed.
elog Now you can use /etc/init.d/ntp-client to set your time at
elog boot while you can use /etc/init.d/ntpd to maintain your
time
elog while your machine runs
Right! That's the very message which caused me to switch!
Stroller.
so use the ntp-client to set the time at boot and use ntp to keep
clock
synced.
As I said in my post of 4 February 2009 18:20:50 GMT I will do so.
But I had not initially assumed that maintaining the time excluded
the criteria used by ntp-client when setting at boot.
Stroller.
[gentoo-user] Removing shared libraries
Hi, After I ran reconcilio (I guess revdep-rebuild will yield a similar output) I got the following message: The following broken files are not owned by any installed package: /usr/lib64/kde4/plasma_applet_sysmoni_nvidia.so (requires libplasma.so.2) /usr/lib64/kde4/plasma_applet_sysmoni_portage.so (requires libplasma.so.2) /usr/lib64/kde4/plasma_applet_sysmoni_ram.so (requires libplasma.so.2) /usr/lib64/kde4/plasma_applet_sysmoni_sys.so (requires libplasma.so.2) /usr/lib64/kde4/plasma_applet_sysmoni_top.so (requires libplasma.so.2) /usr/lib64/kde4/plasma_yawp.so (requires libplasma.so.2) /usr/lib64/kde4/sysmoni_engine.so (requires libplasma.so.2) /usr/lib64/libsysmoni.so (requires libplasma.so.2) Those shared objects were installed when I manually compiled plasmoids some time ago (using kde 4.1, now I have kde 4.2). So my question is if I can safely remove those files without beaking anything. I think it is safe but I want to be cautious. Thanks in advance. Regards, Damian.
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo's advantage: optimized for your system -- huh?
On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 10:07 AM, James wirel...@tampabay.rr.com wrote: Paul Hartman paul.hartman+gentoo at gmail.com writes: One *BIG* difference is when the GPUs on video cards are used as co-processors on systems. ATI and Nv are working on making general purpose C languages for programs to take advantage of the power of the GPU. Look for Gentoo to beat the other distros, by the very nature of how it compiles code for everything. http://funroll-loops.info/ According to your logic, Nvidia and ATI(AMD) are ricers? http://developer.nvidia.com/object/cg_toolkit.html http://techreport.com/discussions.x/15886 Or maybe the folks at CMU are ricers? http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~cil/v-source.html Surely these folks at StonyBrook are ricers? http://www.ecsl.cs.sunysb.edu/fir/ Not to mention these folks at Stanford, http://novembertech.blogspot.com/2006/10/stanford-atis-gpu-can-calculate-much.html And all of these scientists are ricers? http://gpgpu.org/ I count myself proud to be among this company of ricers as you put it.. James It's not my site... I was just putting it out there in case anyone hadn't seen it before. It's ld. I'm a happy Gentoo user for many years. :) Paul
Re: [gentoo-user] Removing shared libraries
On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 1:09 PM, Damian damian.o...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, After I ran reconcilio (I guess revdep-rebuild will yield a similar output) I got the following message: The following broken files are not owned by any installed package: /usr/lib64/kde4/plasma_applet_sysmoni_nvidia.so (requires libplasma.so.2) /usr/lib64/kde4/plasma_applet_sysmoni_portage.so (requires libplasma.so.2) /usr/lib64/kde4/plasma_applet_sysmoni_ram.so (requires libplasma.so.2) /usr/lib64/kde4/plasma_applet_sysmoni_sys.so (requires libplasma.so.2) /usr/lib64/kde4/plasma_applet_sysmoni_top.so (requires libplasma.so.2) /usr/lib64/kde4/plasma_yawp.so (requires libplasma.so.2) /usr/lib64/kde4/sysmoni_engine.so (requires libplasma.so.2) /usr/lib64/libsysmoni.so (requires libplasma.so.2) Those shared objects were installed when I manually compiled plasmoids some time ago (using kde 4.1, now I have kde 4.2). So my question is if I can safely remove those files without beaking anything. I think it is safe but I want to be cautious. I think so. I always manually delete when they show up like that and nothing has broken that I know of. For some reason they don't always get removed during unmerge or upgrade.
Re: [gentoo-user] Removing shared libraries
El Mie, 4 de Febrero de 2009, 20:28, Paul Hartman escribió: On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 1:09 PM, Damian damian.o...@gmail.com wrote: Those shared objects were installed when I manually compiled plasmoids some time ago (using kde 4.1, now I have kde 4.2). So my question is if I can safely remove those files without beaking anything. I think it is safe but I want to be cautious. In any case it's non-vital stuff. So just tar them up and delete. You can put them back if anything related complains. -- Jesús Guerrero
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: libtool problem
On Wednesday 04 February 2009 20:17:33 Dirk Heinrichs wrote: Am Mittwoch, 4. Februar 2009 04:25:34 schrieb ABCD: The reason there wasn't a bump (IIRC) was that the ebuild never changed - only the eclass did. If you emerged any version of GCC during the window where the eclass was broken, that version of GCC would have been broken. That also means that portage is broken. Whenever something changes where other things depend on, those other things should be rebuilt. This doesn't happen here. I disagree, that would cause many more spurious rebuilds than is needed if it were automated. Portage cannot tell how important or how deep a change is, that requires a human to look and see. So what is needed is a flag that portage recognizes as an instruction to do a revdep-rebuild-style search and find everything using a specific changed file, and rebuild those. The flag is set under dev control. Blindly doing what you suggest leads to this: appA depends on libB. libB has a bug which is fixed but no changes to the API or ABI occur, so appA does not need to be rebuilt, it simply uses the new compiled lib when run. This circumstance will likely happen many many times more often that the updated eclass that is the subject of this thread. Therefore, a simple elog entry is a valid handling and fully compliant with the principle of The Simplest Thing That Could Possibly Work. -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo's advantage: 'optimized for your system' -- huh?
On Wednesday 04 February 2009 19:48:27 Nikos Chantziaras wrote: Gentoo forces you to use linux in the sense that you need to do all the work by yourself to install it. What you describe is just the regular update/install process, which is simple enough as you said. It was very easy for me. The first I came in tough with Gentoo was with the 2007 DVD. I booted, double clicked the installer icon, clicked next a few times with checking some tickboxes too, and then emerged -e system and world and the packages I need. You should have been around in the days when stage1 was still supported. Now that was fun. For varying definitions of fun of course :-) -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: wlan0 promiscuous mode
That all works great, the problem is it only works when net.wlan0 is started. I'm told I: need to load the modules and setup the interface for your card because that's probably what net.wlan0 does. I tried to look through net.wlan0 but I'm lost in there. Any idea what I might need to do that net.wlan0 usually does for me? - Grant net.wlan0 configures your interface. So, when switching back from monitor-mode to managed-mode, your setup for that interface is lost. You have to do something like: ath=wlan0 iwconfig $ath channel 11 iwconfig $ath essid 'my_essid' iwconfig $ath ap 05:1B:4F:22:XX:XX iwconfig $ath key mysecretkey open managed mode works perfectly. Here's my situation: managed mode: perfect monitor mode with net.wlan0 started: perfect monitor mode with net.wlan0 stopped: no airodump-ng results I'd like to get airodump-ng results without starting net.wlan0 for situations when I don't have an AP to associate with. - Grant
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: libtool problem
Am Mittwoch, 4. Februar 2009 21:21:38 schrieb Alan McKinnon: On Wednesday 04 February 2009 20:17:33 Dirk Heinrichs wrote: Am Mittwoch, 4. Februar 2009 04:25:34 schrieb ABCD: The reason there wasn't a bump (IIRC) was that the ebuild never changed - only the eclass did. If you emerged any version of GCC during the window where the eclass was broken, that version of GCC would have been broken. That also means that portage is broken. Whenever something changes where other things depend on, those other things should be rebuilt. This doesn't happen here. I disagree, that would cause many more spurious rebuilds than is needed if it were automated. Why spurious? The package manager should be smart enough to tell the user: Rebuild because of eclass change. Nothing spurious. Portage cannot tell how important or how deep a change is, that requires a human to look and see. So what is needed is a flag that portage recognizes as an instruction to do a revdep-rebuild-style search and find everything using a specific changed file, and rebuild those. The flag is set under dev control. Not dev, user. Something equivalent to --newuse. Blindly doing what you suggest leads to this: appA depends on libB. No. Sorry if this was misleading. I was only referring to dependencies between ebuilds and eclasses. Library interdependencies are handled just fine by portage/revdep-rebuild. Therefore, a simple elog entry is a valid handling and fully compliant with the principle of The Simplest Thing That Could Possibly Work. Elog entries are overlooked too often. Bye... Dirk signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo's advantage: optimized for your system -- huh?
On Wednesday 04 February 2009 18:55:07 Momesso Andrea wrote: On Wed, Feb 04, 2009 at 03:59:44PM +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: On Wednesday 04 February 2009 15:31:26 Momesso Andrea wrote: My question can be put like this: Do binary distro's per package optimiziations override the benefit of having arch specific optimiziations that gentoo allows? That can only be answered with valid benchmarks on paper in front of you. Have you performed valid benchmark tests? Nope, if I had there would have been no reason to ask... :) Then your question is nonsensical and is best answered as: mu As so many others have stated, the mythical performance benefits of gentoo are no longer applicable in the main. When i386 was the standard optimization things were different, but no longer. The major benefit of Gentoo to most users is USE, not CFLAGS -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo's advantage: 'optimized for your system' -- huh?
El mié, 04-02-2009 a las 22:24 +0200, Alan McKinnon escribió: On Wednesday 04 February 2009 19:48:27 Nikos Chantziaras wrote: Gentoo forces you to use linux in the sense that you need to do all the work by yourself to install it. What you describe is just the regular update/install process, which is simple enough as you said. It was very easy for me. The first I came in tough with Gentoo was with the 2007 DVD. I booted, double clicked the installer icon, clicked next a few times with checking some tickboxes too, and then emerged -e system and world and the packages I need. You should have been around in the days when stage1 was still supported. Now that was fun. For varying definitions of fun of course :-) The installation experience with the traditional method must be mandatory... That's why I think we are better now that GLI is deprecated... signature.asc Description: Esta parte del mensaje está firmada digitalmente
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: hal - what's the benefit of using it
Please don't top post on this list. It's considered rude. You are talking about HAL, an abstract concept. The OP is talking about hal, a definite package - sys-apps/hal. Recent X.org uses it to autoconfigure input devices on startup On Wednesday 04 February 2009 18:34:28 Hazen Valliant-Saunders wrote: Um, you are using the HAL weather you want to or not, it's not really an option! The HARDWARE ABSTRACTION LAYER with respect to good ol linux happens to be your kernel and it's drivers. The bare metal registers within which all those bits are moved is called the hardware; all those configuration files and source you compile is considered the software, anything that creates the transparency between the two is refereed to as the HAL (In windows 98 it was a single DLL file), in Linux it's the source code and binaries of the kernel and drivers, all modern computers regardless of low level arch have a HAL. Regards, Hazen. On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 11:17 AM, James wirel...@tampabay.rr.com wrote: Helmut Jarausch jarausch at igpm.rwth-aachen.de writes: having had some problems with recent xorg version my question is what are the benefits (if any) of building packages with the 'hal' use flag (i.e. adding 'hal' to US='...' in /etc/make.conf) This link is short and reasonable. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HAL_(software) Hardware Abstraction Layer is a buzz term that means many different things to many different hardware designers who need software to make their designs complete. hth, James -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
Re: [gentoo-user] 'emerge -avDuN world' doesn't find everything
When this was asked a few weeks ago someone then asked why --with-bdeps Y isn't the default? This seems to burn nearly everyone once in awhile. Because using --with-bdeps y causes unnecessary compilation of packages that don't need t0 be changed. They won't be used again until the dependent package is updated, so why waste time rebuilding them in the interim? No one really gets burned by this, they just wonder why installed packages aren't upgraded, nothing stops working. I added: EMERGE_DEFAULT_OPTS=--with-bdeps n to make.conf and ran 'emerge --depclean' and it got rid of a bunch of stuff, but I'm still confused by boost. --depclean didn't remove it, 'emerge -avDuN world' doesn't downgrade it even --with-bdeps y, but 'emerge -pv boost' would downgrade it. I also re-emerged twinkle and rb_libtorrent which are the packages that depend on boost, but the result is the same. Also man seems to be broken after that --depclean. When I try to use it, I get errors starting with: sh: /usr/bin/unlzma: No such file or directory - Grant This may help. r...@smoker / # equery belongs /usr/bin/unlzma [ Searching for file(s) /usr/bin/unlzma in *... ] app-arch/lzma-utils-4.32.7 (/usr/bin/unlzma - lzma) r...@smoker / # I would rebuild that or see why it is not already installed. I would think that would be part of system??? I'm not sure tho. I seem to recall some switch from LZMA to BZ2 manpages in an etc-update recently ... emerging lzma-utils fixed it, thank you. I always etc-update as soon as the packages are built. Should lzma-utils be a dependency of something? - Grant Weird, --depclean wants to remove lzma-utils again even though: # equery depends lzma-utils [ Searching for packages depending on lzma-utils... ] dev-libs/mpfr-2.3.2 (app-arch/lzma-utils) media-libs/libpng-1.2.34 (app-arch/lzma-utils) media-libs/netpbm-10.44.00-r1 (app-arch/lzma-utils) net-dns/dnsmasq-2.45 (app-arch/lzma-utils) net-misc/netkit-rsh-0.17-r9 (app-arch/lzma-utils) sys-apps/coreutils-6.10-r2 (app-arch/lzma-utils) sys-apps/net-tools-1.60_p20071202044231-r1 (app-arch/lzma-utils) sys-devel/m4-1.4.11 (app-arch/lzma-utils) sys-kernel/linux-headers-2.6.27-r2 (app-arch/lzma-utils) sys-libs/gpm-1.20.5 (app-arch/lzma-utils) Maybe it's listed as a build-time dependency of coreutils when it should be runtime? - Grant coreutils is an lzma archive, so lzma-utils are required to decompress it. So it seems proper that it's a build-time dep. I think there was something about man using lzma IF you had lzma-utils installed at the time of emerging man. So maybe you can try to unmerge lzma-utils, then re-emerge man (and maybe convert your lzma manpages to bz2). man seems to be working fine without lzma-utils now. It looks like I emerged help2man at some point yesterday so maybe that helped. I think I've gotten to the bottom of my boost problem. I have rb_libtorrent installed which requires =dev-libs/boost-1.35, meaning boost needs to be in package.keywords. If I remove boost from package.keywords, should portage tell me there is a problem? I like the idea of being able to edit package.keywords and know that portage will either upgrade/downgrade based on the changes, or tell me if there is a depended-on package installed which doesn't have the necessary package.keywords entry. - Grant Also be sure you've got PORTAGE_COMPRESS set to what you'd like in your make.conf
Re: [gentoo-user] 'emerge -avDuN world' doesn't find everything
On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 1:02 PM, Grant emailgr...@gmail.com wrote: SNIP I think I've gotten to the bottom of my boost problem. I have rb_libtorrent installed which requires =dev-libs/boost-1.35, meaning boost needs to be in package.keywords. If I remove boost from package.keywords, should portage tell me there is a problem? I like the idea of being able to edit package.keywords and know that portage will either upgrade/downgrade based on the changes, or tell me if there is a depended-on package installed which doesn't have the necessary package.keywords entry. - Grant It should. I often play with package.keywords and package.use to see what the effects might be. You can always set them back. HTH, Mark
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: libtool problem
On Wednesday 04 February 2009 22:40:26 Dirk Heinrichs wrote: Am Mittwoch, 4. Februar 2009 21:21:38 schrieb Alan McKinnon: On Wednesday 04 February 2009 20:17:33 Dirk Heinrichs wrote: Am Mittwoch, 4. Februar 2009 04:25:34 schrieb ABCD: The reason there wasn't a bump (IIRC) was that the ebuild never changed - only the eclass did. If you emerged any version of GCC during the window where the eclass was broken, that version of GCC would have been broken. That also means that portage is broken. Whenever something changes where other things depend on, those other things should be rebuilt. This doesn't happen here. I disagree, that would cause many more spurious rebuilds than is needed if it were automated. Why spurious? The package manager should be smart enough to tell the user: Rebuild because of eclass change. Nothing spurious. Portage only knows that the eclass changed. It does not know what the result of that change will be. Therefore it is not in a position to mandate that a rebuild of other apps is *required* in order to function correctly. Which leaves us with two options: Tell the user to look and decide for themselves, or Rebuild everything using the eclass anyway The latter option will always fix problems but at a huge cost of most often rebuilding something that looks like it needs rebuilding but actually doesn't. Therefore spurious. Portage cannot tell how important or how deep a change is, that requires a human to look and see. So what is needed is a flag that portage recognizes as an instruction to do a revdep-rebuild-style search and find everything using a specific changed file, and rebuild those. The flag is set under dev control. Not dev, user. Something equivalent to --newuse. I was thinking more along the lines of what @preserved-rebuild does. Some mechanism in the ebuild that includes a package in a list of stuff to be rebuilt. Obviously this is something new and a fairly deep change to portage so I can't think of a decent parallel or analogy. Blindly doing what you suggest leads to this: appA depends on libB. No. Sorry if this was misleading. I was only referring to dependencies between ebuilds and eclasses. OK Library interdependencies are handled just fine by portage/revdep-rebuild. Therefore, a simple elog entry is a valid handling and fully compliant with the principle of The Simplest Thing That Could Possibly Work. Elog entries are overlooked too often. True, but do we have anything better? As in a proven mechanism successfully used elsewhere to deal with comparable situations? -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
Re: [gentoo-user] 'emerge -avDuN world' doesn't find everything
On Wednesday 04 February 2009 23:02:38 Grant wrote: I think I've gotten to the bottom of my boost problem. I have rb_libtorrent installed which requires =dev-libs/boost-1.35, meaning boost needs to be in package.keywords. If I remove boost from package.keywords, should portage tell me there is a problem? I like the idea of being able to edit package.keywords and know that portage will either upgrade/downgrade based on the changes, or tell me if there is a depended-on package installed which doesn't have the necessary package.keywords entry. Portage should throw a blocker in that case if boost needs to be rebuilt. You have one package that requires keywording, but you don't have a keyword. I'm not sure offhand what portage will do if you run 'emerge -uND world' and boost does not require rebuilding, but I *think* it will simply leave it alone. OTOH, I don't have an easy way to create scenario to test this right now. -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
Re: [gentoo-user] /etc/init.d/: ntpd or ntp-client?
Neil Bothwick wrote: On Wed, 4 Feb 2009 13:38:11 +, Stroller wrote: So when I found the clock to be a week out of date I checked that ntpd appeared to be running (it was) and restarted it. The date remained the same. Stopping ntpd starting ntp-client corrected the date immediately. ntpd will not change the time if the difference is too large, the man page gives the limit. You need to run both at boot; ntp-client sets the time immediately, no matter what the skew, then ntpd keeps the clock in time. To avoid running ntp-client and ntpd, look at the -g switch for ntpd. It will make the big jump once and then keep the clock in sync. Cheers, Drew -- Be a Great Magician! Visit The Alchemist's Warehouse http://www.alchemistswarehouse.com
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo's advantage: 'optimized for your system' -- huh?
On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 2:37 PM, Sebastián Magrí sebasma...@gmail.com wrote: El mié, 04-02-2009 a las 22:24 +0200, Alan McKinnon escribió: On Wednesday 04 February 2009 19:48:27 Nikos Chantziaras wrote: Gentoo forces you to use linux in the sense that you need to do all the work by yourself to install it. What you describe is just the regular update/install process, which is simple enough as you said. It was very easy for me. The first I came in tough with Gentoo was with the 2007 DVD. I booted, double clicked the installer icon, clicked next a few times with checking some tickboxes too, and then emerged -e system and world and the packages I need. You should have been around in the days when stage1 was still supported. Now that was fun. For varying definitions of fun of course :-) The installation experience with the traditional method must be mandatory... That's why I think we are better now that GLI is deprecated... I think my first attempt to install Gentoo was a stage 1, several years ago on a box with a network card not supported by the drivers on the Live CD... and of course the distfiles CD did not have the current versions since I was using a portage snapshot from that day. My printed install guide didn't help because i couldn't google when things didn't work the way it said they should work :) now that was a fun experience :) I, of course, realized it was fruitless and went stage2 instead... and did emerge -e world when it was all up running on the network. and the rest is history. I don't think I've ever seen the graphical installer for gentoo. I don't have a problem with a simple click here to have a working gentoo installation, I don't think installing an OS should be an educational experience necessarily, sometimes if you already know how Gentoo works you just want to get it over with. Of course if gentoo stores certain configs in unique places compared to other distros, and the whole portage system in general, having some early exposure could make it easier once it's all up and running, but someone who can read the manual should have no trouble either way. (assuming the installer works)
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: hal - what's the benefit of using it
On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 3:29 AM, Norberto Bensa nbe...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 6:44 AM, Nikos Chantziaras rea...@arcor.de wrote: The benefit for me is that I plug my USB flash stick in my PC and it pops up in my desktop without me needing to enter voodoo console commands to mount it. +1 That and... this is my xorg.conf : Section Module Loadglx EndSection Section Device Identifier Default Device Driver nvidia Option NoLogo EndSection Section Screen Identifier Default Screen DefaultDepth24 EndSection Good luck in having that minimalist xorg.conf without hal. Almost the same as mine, except I still have lots of font stuff in my xorg.conf -- do those go somewhere else? or are they unneeded in xorg.conf at all these days?
Re: [gentoo-user] hal - what's the benefit of using it
On 04/02/09 Alan McKinnon said: Meanwhile, trying to run KDE or Gnome on a box without hal is becoming more and more painful with each update. Even xorg is getting in on the hal game and using hal to auto-configure input devices. That explains why even on Ubuntu I shut off dbus and hal, and run fluxbox. In Gentoo I'm using XFCE4 right now without hal. I can mount my own drives. Mike -- Michael P. Soulier msoul...@digitaltorque.ca Any intelligent fool can make things bigger and more complex... It takes a touch of genius - and a lot of courage to move in the opposite direction. --Albert Einstein pgp2ZV9u9Ennq.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] 'emerge -avDuN world' doesn't find everything
On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 3:02 PM, Grant emailgr...@gmail.com wrote: When this was asked a few weeks ago someone then asked why --with-bdeps Y isn't the default? This seems to burn nearly everyone once in awhile. Because using --with-bdeps y causes unnecessary compilation of packages that don't need t0 be changed. They won't be used again until the dependent package is updated, so why waste time rebuilding them in the interim? No one really gets burned by this, they just wonder why installed packages aren't upgraded, nothing stops working. I added: EMERGE_DEFAULT_OPTS=--with-bdeps n to make.conf and ran 'emerge --depclean' and it got rid of a bunch of stuff, but I'm still confused by boost. --depclean didn't remove it, 'emerge -avDuN world' doesn't downgrade it even --with-bdeps y, but 'emerge -pv boost' would downgrade it. I also re-emerged twinkle and rb_libtorrent which are the packages that depend on boost, but the result is the same. Also man seems to be broken after that --depclean. When I try to use it, I get errors starting with: sh: /usr/bin/unlzma: No such file or directory - Grant This may help. r...@smoker / # equery belongs /usr/bin/unlzma [ Searching for file(s) /usr/bin/unlzma in *... ] app-arch/lzma-utils-4.32.7 (/usr/bin/unlzma - lzma) r...@smoker / # I would rebuild that or see why it is not already installed. I would think that would be part of system??? I'm not sure tho. I seem to recall some switch from LZMA to BZ2 manpages in an etc-update recently ... emerging lzma-utils fixed it, thank you. I always etc-update as soon as the packages are built. Should lzma-utils be a dependency of something? - Grant Weird, --depclean wants to remove lzma-utils again even though: # equery depends lzma-utils [ Searching for packages depending on lzma-utils... ] dev-libs/mpfr-2.3.2 (app-arch/lzma-utils) media-libs/libpng-1.2.34 (app-arch/lzma-utils) media-libs/netpbm-10.44.00-r1 (app-arch/lzma-utils) net-dns/dnsmasq-2.45 (app-arch/lzma-utils) net-misc/netkit-rsh-0.17-r9 (app-arch/lzma-utils) sys-apps/coreutils-6.10-r2 (app-arch/lzma-utils) sys-apps/net-tools-1.60_p20071202044231-r1 (app-arch/lzma-utils) sys-devel/m4-1.4.11 (app-arch/lzma-utils) sys-kernel/linux-headers-2.6.27-r2 (app-arch/lzma-utils) sys-libs/gpm-1.20.5 (app-arch/lzma-utils) Maybe it's listed as a build-time dependency of coreutils when it should be runtime? - Grant coreutils is an lzma archive, so lzma-utils are required to decompress it. So it seems proper that it's a build-time dep. I think there was something about man using lzma IF you had lzma-utils installed at the time of emerging man. So maybe you can try to unmerge lzma-utils, then re-emerge man (and maybe convert your lzma manpages to bz2). man seems to be working fine without lzma-utils now. It looks like I emerged help2man at some point yesterday so maybe that helped. I think I've gotten to the bottom of my boost problem. I have rb_libtorrent installed which requires =dev-libs/boost-1.35, meaning boost needs to be in package.keywords. If I remove boost from package.keywords, should portage tell me there is a problem? I like the idea of being able to edit package.keywords and know that portage will either upgrade/downgrade based on the changes, or tell me if there is a depended-on package installed which doesn't have the necessary package.keywords entry. Boost 1.36 and above are in separate slots, so you might be able to install one of those alongside the older version of boost and make both of your programs happy.
[gentoo-user] Where has vmware-config.pl gone?
Hi all, I just upgraded from vmware-workstation vmware-workstation-6.0.5.109488 to vmware-workstation-6.5.1.126130 as I'm upgrading kernels, modules, etc, and the old faithful 6.0.5 version has been hard masked... I get the usual: VMware Workstation Error: VMware Workstation is installed, but it has not been (correctly) configured for your running kernel. To (re-)configure it, your system administrator must find and run vmware-config.pl. For more information, please see the VMware Workstation documentation. But for the life of me I can't find vmware-config.pl. slocate returns nothing. Google isn't helpful either. The emerge log mentioned `emerge --config vmware-workstation` which output this: Configuring pkg... Network settings database seems to be invalid,configuring default settings Configuring Bridged network vmnet0 Configuring hostonly network vmnet1, probing for unused subnet ... Configuring NAT network vmnet8, probing for unused subnet ... Configured default networks - Bridged, Hostonly, NAT But vmware still complains about vmware-config.pl Any ideas? thanks, -- Iain Buchanan iaindb at netspace dot net dot au What makes us so bitter against people who outwit us is that they think themselves cleverer than we are.
Re: [gentoo-user] Where has vmware-config.pl gone?
updatedb and then slocate? I'm running the server, not the workstation. For me the path is /opt/vmware/server/bin/vmware-config.pl Hope this helps, Mark On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 3:42 PM, Iain Buchanan iai...@netspace.net.au wrote: Hi all, I just upgraded from vmware-workstation vmware-workstation-6.0.5.109488 to vmware-workstation-6.5.1.126130 as I'm upgrading kernels, modules, etc, and the old faithful 6.0.5 version has been hard masked... I get the usual: VMware Workstation Error: VMware Workstation is installed, but it has not been (correctly) configured for your running kernel. To (re-)configure it, your system administrator must find and run vmware-config.pl. For more information, please see the VMware Workstation documentation. But for the life of me I can't find vmware-config.pl. slocate returns nothing. Google isn't helpful either. The emerge log mentioned `emerge --config vmware-workstation` which output this: Configuring pkg... Network settings database seems to be invalid,configuring default settings Configuring Bridged network vmnet0 Configuring hostonly network vmnet1, probing for unused subnet ... Configuring NAT network vmnet8, probing for unused subnet ... Configured default networks - Bridged, Hostonly, NAT But vmware still complains about vmware-config.pl Any ideas? thanks, -- Iain Buchanan iaindb at netspace dot net dot au What makes us so bitter against people who outwit us is that they think themselves cleverer than we are.
Re: [gentoo-user] Where has vmware-config.pl gone?
On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 5:42 PM, Iain Buchanan iai...@netspace.net.au wrote:
Hi all,
I just upgraded from vmware-workstation vmware-workstation-6.0.5.109488
to vmware-workstation-6.5.1.126130 as I'm upgrading kernels, modules,
etc, and the old faithful 6.0.5 version has been hard masked...
I get the usual:
VMware Workstation Error:
VMware Workstation is installed, but it has not been (correctly)
configured for your running kernel. To (re-)configure it, your system
administrator must find and run vmware-config.pl. For more
information, please see the VMware Workstation documentation.
But for the life of me I can't find vmware-config.pl. slocate returns
nothing. Google isn't helpful either. The emerge log mentioned `emerge
--config vmware-workstation` which output this:
Configuring pkg...
Network settings database seems to be invalid,configuring default
settings
Configuring Bridged network vmnet0
Configuring hostonly network vmnet1, probing for unused subnet ...
Configuring NAT network vmnet8, probing for unused subnet ...
Configured default networks - Bridged, Hostonly, NAT
But vmware still complains about vmware-config.pl
Any ideas?
I think emerge --config is the gentoo way.
It runs /opt/vmware/workstation/bin/vmware-networks
Here's the snippet from the ebuild:
pkg_config() {
${VM_INSTALL_DIR}/bin/vmware-networks --postinstall ${PN},old,new
}
Re: [gentoo-user] hal - what's the benefit of using it
On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 4:23 PM, Michael P. Soulier msoul...@digitaltorque.ca wrote: On 04/02/09 Alan McKinnon said: Meanwhile, trying to run KDE or Gnome on a box without hal is becoming more and more painful with each update. Even xorg is getting in on the hal game and using hal to auto-configure input devices. That explains why even on Ubuntu I shut off dbus and hal, and run fluxbox. In Gentoo I'm using XFCE4 right now without hal. I can mount my own drives. I thought it only did the automounting stuff if you were in the plugdev group. That's the way the docs make it sound anyway. Also, you can selectively disable hal automounting on certain devices. For example I do not want it to automount CDROM but I do want it to automount my USB memory stick. Of course just getting rid of it completely does the job, too. :) Paul
Re: [gentoo-user] cnn.com flash videos crash firefox
* Grant emailgr...@gmail.com wrote: What could there be that wasn't already exposed during a very long election campaign? A log. Everything that's censored in the mass media. cu -- - Enrico Weigelt== metux IT service - http://www.metux.de/ - Please visit the OpenSource QM Taskforce: http://wiki.metux.de/public/OpenSource_QM_Taskforce Patches / Fixes for a lot dozens of packages in dozens of versions: http://patches.metux.de/ -
Re: [gentoo-user] Where has vmware-config.pl gone?
On Wed, 2009-02-04 at 15:58 -0800, Mark Knecht wrote: updatedb and then slocate? forgot to mention - tried that. also tried: $ find /opt/vmware/ -name vmware-config /opt/vmware/workstation/lib/vmware-vix/setup/vmware-config /opt/vmware/workstation/lib/vmware/setup/vmware-config neither seems right. I'm running the server, not the workstation. For me the path is /opt/vmware/server/bin/vmware-config.pl not so when I swap server for workstation... thanks, -- Iain Buchanan iaindb at netspace dot net dot au Anthony's Law of the Workshop: Any tool when dropped, will roll into the least accessible corner of the workshop. Corollary: On the way to the corner, any dropped tool will first strike your toes.
