Re: [gentoo-user] testing a corrupt SD card
On Fri, 2009-02-06 at 07:11 +, Stroller wrote: On 6 Feb 2009, at 05:28, Iain Buchanan wrote: It's a Lexar Media 512Mb SD card, a couple of years old. Yes I know I can get a cheap 2Gb for $20 but I'm more interested in the principle of the test :) I thought you could get then for $5, but anyway probably in USD. We (AUD) were approaching 1.00 before the exaggerated crises, but now we're back to 0.645; and plus I needed one in a hurry, so I couldn't order from a PC store which has reasonable prices and instead had to go for a local and slightly more expensive retailer... so I created a file: dd if=/dev/urandom of=Desktop/random.img bs=1024 count=500960 then copied it to the card, and then copied it back as random-2.img. If I md5sum the two files, they are identical: $ md5sum random* 9dcac25cfd8585be5939c0ff969de310 random-2.img 9dcac25cfd8585be5939c0ff969de310 random.img Does that mean my memory card is good to go, or should I use some other method of bad sector detection? I'd be more or less happy with that methodology, had I copied a thousand files to the card they checked out good. Of the top of my head I don't know how big your bs=1024 count=500960 well, I got that from the free space on the card, using df and some mathemagics, so it 100% fills the free space... however... file is - I would make a Bash script generate files c 5meg in size (maybe alternative between 3meg 6meg?) and copy them to the card until it fills up. Then check them, delete them and do so again until all 1000 have been copied checked. [snip] however my method and your suggestion only fill up the free space, and not the FAT for example, so there could be corruptions there, and given I could see files but the names were nnnxxnnxnnn.ddxxc and so on, I think it could have been a corrupt FAT?... I should have made a file the size of the whole SD card, and just written it to and read from the device a couple of times, overwriting the partition table, and FAT. Personally, for my money, I don't know if I'd trust it. Depends what you're storing on it. MP3s for my phone? Sure - I have a backup at home. Moving files onto my PS3 or Wii, sure. For my camera? Maybe I'd be a bit cautious. Bought a new 2Gb. Unfortunately I want a 512Mb card cause then I'm forced to back it up often enough. -- Iain Buchanan iaindb at netspace dot net dot au Men have a much better time of it than women; for one thing they marry later; for another thing they die earlier. -- H.L. Mencken
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: testing a corrupt SD card
On Fri, 2009-02-06 at 16:47 +, James wrote: Iain Buchanan iaindb at netspace.net.au writes: Does that mean my memory card is good to go, or should I use some other method of bad sector detection? Hello Iain, Hi James! [snip] Here are a couple of links for your perusal: Unfortunately I'm travelling, and the company here has a draconian internet policy that doesn't allow much of anything. I'll have to check them out in a couple of weeks. Sorry, there is not a clear answer. Keep it for non critical needs, upgrade to SDHC(fat 32) if your equipment supports that format. unfortunately not! Fat 32 on top of the memory, helps with (bit)error masking with some enhance (undocumented) feature not part of fat 32. This is what makes reverse engineering, complicated on SD memory. You may need to upgrade the firmware of your equipment to support newer SD standards (SD 1.1 and SD 2.0). not much chance of that either (camera). The more I look into it, the solid state features (moving bad blocks around in firmware and hiding it from the system) make me think it's time to throw it out anyway... Good luck and good hunting (mate). cheers, mate! -- Iain Buchanan iaindb at netspace dot net dot au I might have gone to West Point, but I was too proud to speak to a congressman. -- Will Rogers
Re: [gentoo-user] testing a corrupt SD card
On Fri, 2009-02-06 at 22:21 +, Stroller wrote: On 6 Feb 2009, at 05:28, Iain Buchanan wrote: ... so I created a file: dd if=/dev/urandom of=Desktop/random.img bs=1024 count=500960 It has just occurred to me: In the UK you can be imprisoned for failing to provide an encryption key corresponding to this file. are you joking? what's the story there? -- Iain Buchanan iaindb at netspace dot net dot au DanielS still, throne of blood sounds like a movie about overfiend and virgins or some crap -- in #debian-devel
Re: [gentoo-user] testing a corrupt SD card
On Fri, 2009-02-06 at 19:36 -0600, Paul Hartman wrote: On Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 11:28 PM, Iain Buchanan iai...@netspace.net.au wrote: Hi all, recently my SD card just went bonkers. Unfortunately I lost a lot of photos on it (backups are useless until the data actually gets to the backup...) but fortunately I was able to use a program to recover about 170 photos. Anyway, I don't know if it was just static, shock, dead card, or phase of the moon, so I would like to see if the card is good before I continue to use it. With any kind of memory or storage device, I would stop using after the first sign of a problem. My personal experience says it only gets worse. :) Lexar has a free program for recovering corrupted/deleted files from their cards, did you use that? Or something linux-based like photorec? Anyway, you wrote over it so it's too late now. :) Now you tell me there are free versions?! I ended up finding a photo recovery tool which recovered the photos for me, but it wasn't free. Needless to say I didn't pay for it, and I deleted it straight away. I'll check out photorec next time. I'm having a hard time finding info about it though (see previous email about draconian internet access). Is there a general linux version of FAT recovery tools available somewhere? I couldn't find one. [sinp] Some (all?) memory cards do wear-leveling/load balancing This is what I was afraid of. thanks, -- Iain Buchanan iaindb at netspace dot net dot au Beware the new TTY code!
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Flash Drive Install
On Fri, 2009-02-06 at 17:01 +, James wrote: sean tech.junk at myfairpoint.net writes: Once you go through the steps instructed here, http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/liveusb.xml cool Also see my blog http://nthrbldyblg.blogspot.com/2008/06/gentoo-linux-live-usb-key.html which has an easy way of creating a gentoo live usb key (if that's what you wanted). It works really well with modern hardware. Can the live CD install be altered to work just like a normal Gentoo system? I have managed to get my hands on a 16GB flash drive, and am thinking of trying it out. Just be mindful of James' comment about lots of writes! -- Iain Buchanan iaindb at netspace dot net dot au There is no sadder sight than a young pessimist.
Re: [gentoo-user] vncviewer Recommendation
On Mon, 2009-02-09 at 14:21 -0800, Drew Tomlinson wrote: Aaron Clark wrote: Drew Tomlinson wrote: I'm looking for an vncviewer for Linux that has the same features as the Tight VNC viewer on Windows. I really like how the Windows viewer will scale the desktop and remember connections. Also, it's very easy to choose between low and high bandwidth connections with the Windows version. I've installed the TightVNC viewer on my Gentoo box and it does not appear to have any of these features. I'm looking for recommendations. It doesn't remember connections unless you create a launcher, but I use net-misc/tightvnc too. First try `-encodings tight` and you will see vast improvements (if its supported by the server) Then try `-compresslevel 9 -quality 3` in addition to -encodings if you're using it over a modem, and you will find it quite usable (I do this over bad modem lines 30kbit and its passable) Thanks to all for the suggestions. My TightVNC on Linux is version 1.3.9 and is from net-misc/tightvnc-1.3.9-r2. As I am using Gnome, I've installed Vinagre and it appears to be what I need. I just wish there was some way to scroll in fullscreen mode. I've never bothered using VNC in full screen mode as my laptop has a resolution higher than anything I vnc to, so can't help you there... -- Iain Buchanan iaindb at netspace dot net dot au Is there life before breakfast?
Re: [gentoo-user] ALSA config problem
On Mon, 2009-02-09 at 19:34 +0100, Naga wrote: On Monday 09 February 2009 19:13:32 James wrote: [...] The mobo has an Nvidia chip, the video card has a ATI video chip, both only work under the Intel HDA driver. These are compiled into the kernel, not loadable modules. I'm going bald googling trying to find out what to do, or how to fix? [...] No sound. Kmix has a red X over it on my kde panel. There are no choices there in Kmix to select on. HOW do I set this up? udev, hal, or evdev configs? In the 2.6.28 kernel alsa is broken for hda-intel. Either use 2.6.27 series kernel or use a live alsa ebuild. Works for me. In fact, I've never alsa, mixers, and sound working better than in 2.6.28... I have this card: 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) HD Audio Controller (rev 02) which has the pci id 8086:284b -- Iain Buchanan iaindb at netspace dot net dot au All men know the utility of useful things; but they do not know the utility of futility. -- Chuang-tzu
Re: [gentoo-user] ALSA config problem
On Tue, 2009-02-10 at 19:38 +0100, Naga wrote: On Tuesday 10 February 2009 07:02:16 Sebastian Günther wrote: * Naga (nagat...@gmail.com) [09.02.09 19:35]: In the 2.6.28 kernel alsa is broken for hda-intel. Either use 2.6.27 series kernel or use a live alsa ebuild. Why can I listen to music and watch DVD with my hda-intel, if it's broken? Guess it's only broken for certain cards then? I notice there are more options for the type of hda-intel card now, so you may need to tweak that. It took me a few goes to figure out I needed the IDT/Sigmatel sub-type for the Dell/Intel chipset. cya, -- Iain Buchanan iaindb at netspace dot net dot au I wasn't recommending that we make the links for them, only provide them with the tools to do so if they want to take the gamble (or the gambol). -- Larry Wall in 199709292259.paa10...@wall.org
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: media-video/gspcav1 or kernel module?
On Sun, 2009-02-08 at 11:14 +0100, Francesco Talamona wrote: On Sunday 08 February 2009, Iain Buchanan wrote: [...] I recently upgraded from 2.6.26 to 2.6.28. My el-cheapo webcam (lsusb: 0c45:602c Microdia Clas Ohlson TWC-30XOP WebCam) used the media-video/gspcav1 driver, but that no longer compiles: [...] If you boot 2.6.26 it should be easier to spot the right module. I didn't use the kernel module in 2.6.26, I used media-video/gspcav1, which gave me /lib/modules/2.6.25-tuxonice-r6/usb/video/gspca.ko which just worked with linux, skype, etc. Anyway I encountered the same problem with my gspca561, IIRC there's a problem with 2.6.28 kernel. :( Waiting for a kernel upgrade I lent my webcam to a vista user... I can't wait! I'm a child of the here-and-now generation! thanks :) -- Iain Buchanan iaindb at netspace dot net dot au Trying to get Windows to run on the hardware that Linux typically runs on is like pushing an elephant through a keyhole. -- Forbes Magazine
Re: [gentoo-user] media-video/gspcav1 or kernel module?
On Sun, 2009-02-08 at 19:43 +0900, Mike Mazur wrote: Hi, On Sun, Feb 8, 2009 at 12:24 PM, Iain Buchanan iai...@netspace.net.au wrote: I recently upgraded from 2.6.26 to 2.6.28. My el-cheapo webcam (lsusb: 0c45:602c Microdia Clas Ohlson TWC-30XOP WebCam) used the media-video/gspcav1 driver, but that no longer compiles: Maybe this page will point you to the right driver: http://cateee.net/lkddb/web-lkddb/VIDEO_DEV.html I found that before I emailed, but I didn't glean much information from it. Looking at it again, I see that the pci id's are repeated later with links (which confused me a bit) and I see that I should try CONFIG_USB_SN9C102 I'll try that out when I get back to where I'm staying :) thanks, -- Iain Buchanan iaindb at netspace dot net dot au It'll be just like Beggars' Canyon back home. -- Luke Skywalker
Re: [gentoo-user] /etc/init.d/: ntpd or ntp-client?
On Wed, Feb 04, 2009 at 06:20:50PM +, Stroller wrote: On 4 Feb 2009, at 14:11, Neil Bothwick wrote: On Wed, 4 Feb 2009 13:38:11 +, Stroller wrote: So when I found the clock to be a week out of date I checked that ntpd appeared to be running (it was) and restarted it. The date remained the same. Stopping ntpd starting ntp-client corrected the date immediately. ntpd will not change the time if the difference is too large, the man page gives the limit. You need to run both at boot; ntp-client sets the time immediately, no matter what the skew, then ntpd keeps the clock in time. I see. Many thanks. I am surprised my clock got so far out of whack, having been only switched off a few days. I don't think the battery is completely dead. The difference in behaviour seems unexpected, but surely makes sense from the developers' point-of-view. I will set both in the default runlevel keep an eye on things. Stroller. Another method would be using the chrony program (a simpler alternative to ntp). I've been using it for the last 5+ years, and consider it a simple and usable program. Ciao, Wolfgang
[gentoo-user] Re: The Linux Ecosystem (with funny references to Gentoo vs Canonical)
On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 08:41:39AM +, Mick wrote: This video brought up an interesting question by my friend (an ubuntu user). How would one go about getting Canonical or the ubuntu community to change their practice of not contributing fixes back upstream? It's all about dev mentality and habits. It a known issue with Canonical. AFAIK, they are trying to change. That's what Mark Shuttleworth did announce at least (don't know the facts). So, essentially we are talking about different user profiles here. The video is more about developpers than users. The upstream (as I understand here from the video and the Joshua Doll's post) is what we find upstream from the maintainers of the distribution. I guess that Joshua wasn't talking about the users at all. -- Nicolas Sebrecht
[gentoo-user] Re: The Linux Ecosystem (with funny references to Gentoo vs Canonical)
On Mon, Feb 09, 2009 at 09:51:26PM -0800, Joshua D Doll wrote: This video brought up an interesting question by my friend (an ubuntu user). How would one go about getting Canonical or the ubuntu community to change their practice of not contributing fixes back upstream? Without having to change distributions. From my point of view (and assuming he hasn't the knowledge as a user), the best he can do is to ask what's going on upstream when filing a bug. For instance he should ask for the version of the upstream package that include the fix. But in some (most ?) case, it wouldn't be appropriate as it could only be an Ubuntu issue. -- Nicolas Sebrecht
Re: [gentoo-user] testing a corrupt SD card
On 11 Feb 2009, at 00:54, Iain Buchanan wrote: On Fri, 2009-02-06 at 22:21 +, Stroller wrote: On 6 Feb 2009, at 05:28, Iain Buchanan wrote: ... so I created a file: dd if=/dev/urandom of=Desktop/random.img bs=1024 count=500960 It has just occurred to me: In the UK you can be imprisoned for failing to provide an encryption key corresponding to this file. are you joking? what's the story there? It is a facet of the Regulation of Investigatory Powers Act (RIPA), which was passed in 2000 but which only came into effect just over year ago. ... those served with a Section 49 notice have to either make decryption keys available or put the data in an intelligible form for authorities. Failure to comply could mean a prison sentence of up to two years for cases not involving national security or five years for those that do. http://www.infoworld.com/article/07/10/01/UK-encryption-disclosure-law-takes-effect_1.html Under Part III of the act: If any person with the appropriate permission under Schedule 2 believes, on reasonable grounds ... that a key to the protected information is in the possession of any person, ... the person with that permission may, by notice to the person whom he believes to have possession of the key, impose a disclosure requirement in respect of the protected information. http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts2000/ukpga_2023_en_8#pt3-pb1 Because the generated file is indistinguishable from an encrypted file it may be reasonably be believed to be one. Especially if you are charged with a crime /or use encryption for other purposes. In September 2003, Home Secretary David Blunkett announced wide-ranging extensions to the list of those entitled to see information collected under the RIPA. The list now includes jobcentres, local councils, and the Chief Inspector of Schools. Civil rights and privacy campaigners have dubbed these extensions a snoopers' charter. At the passing of the act only nine organisations (including the police and security services) were allowed to invoke it, but as of 2008, it was 792 organizations (including 474 councils). In April 2008, it became known that council officials in Dorset put three children and their parents under surveillance, governed by RIPA, at home and in their daily movements to check whether they lived in a particular school catchment area. This was in the context of rules which allow people who live in the school catchment area to enjoy advantages in obtaining a place at a popular school. The same council put fishermen under covert surveillance to check for the illegal harvesting of cockles and clams in ways that are regulated by RIPA. Other councils in the UK have conducted undercover operations regulated by RIPA against dog fouling and fly-tipping. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ Regulation_of_Investigatory_Powers_Act (The cases cited in the last paragraph surely apply to the RIPA's regulation of CCTV surveillance, rather than encryption, however I thought it relevant to illustrate how wide-ranging the use of this anti-terrorism act has become). Stroller.
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Flash Drive Install
Iain Buchanan wrote: Just be mindful of James' comment about lots of writes! It is more of a curiosity project.
Re: [gentoo-user] testing a corrupt SD card
On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 6:59 PM, Iain Buchanan iai...@netspace.net.au wrote: On Fri, 2009-02-06 at 19:36 -0600, Paul Hartman wrote: On Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 11:28 PM, Iain Buchanan iai...@netspace.net.au wrote: Hi all, recently my SD card just went bonkers. Unfortunately I lost a lot of photos on it (backups are useless until the data actually gets to the backup...) but fortunately I was able to use a program to recover about 170 photos. Anyway, I don't know if it was just static, shock, dead card, or phase of the moon, so I would like to see if the card is good before I continue to use it. With any kind of memory or storage device, I would stop using after the first sign of a problem. My personal experience says it only gets worse. :) Lexar has a free program for recovering corrupted/deleted files from their cards, did you use that? Or something linux-based like photorec? Anyway, you wrote over it so it's too late now. :) Now you tell me there are free versions?! I ended up finding a photo recovery tool which recovered the photos for me, but it wasn't free. Needless to say I didn't pay for it, and I deleted it straight away. Actually, the Lexar Image Rescue software costs USD$33.95, but will be available for free download with purchase of any new 2007 Lexar Professional or Platinum II line CompactFlash or Secure Digital memory card. Also, I just learned that Lexar will do professional data recovery for FREE on Lexar cards (if you mail them in). Apparently it is unadvertised benefit geared mostly toward professional photographers who cannot afford to lose their work, so if you had files other than photos on the card they probably wouldn't deal with them. I don't know if Lexar AU could do it or if you'd need to send it to the USA. Let's hope you never have to deal with that situation again. :) I'll check out photorec next time. I'm having a hard time finding info about it though (see previous email about draconian internet access). A description from the web: PhotoRec is file data recovery software designed to recover lost files including video, documents and archives from Hard Disks and CDRom and lost pictures (thus, its 'Photo Recovery' name) from digital camera memory. PhotoRec ignores the filesystem and goes after the underlying data, so it will still work even if your media's filesystem has been severely damaged or re-formatted. PhotoRec is free, this open source multi-platform application is distributed under GNU Public License. PhotoRec is a companion program to TestDisk, an app for recovering lost partitions on a wide variety of filesystems and making non-bootable disks bootable again. You can download them from this link. For more safety, PhotoRec uses read-only access to handle the drive or memory support you are about to recover lost data from. Important: As soon as a pic or file is accidentally deleted, or you discover any missing, do NOT save any more pics or files to that memory device or hard disk drive; otherwise you may overwrite your lost data. This means that even using PhotoRec, you must not choose to write the recovered files to the same partition they were stored on. Is there a general linux version of FAT recovery tools available somewhere? I couldn't find one. Well, other than fsck I'm familiar with DFSee. It is not free, but it is shareware with a trial period (good if you only need to use it once in a pinch), and it has a Linux (and DOS,Windows, Mac and OS/2) version as well as bootable ISO. I've used it for many years and had some success stories. I registered it back in the olden days (version 2 or 3 or so), now it's up to v9. http://www.dfsee.com/ Again, hoping you never have to use such a thing! Paul
[gentoo-user] KDE-meta 4.2 upgrade
Hello, OK, I have read back into January the suggestions on this list about going to Kde-meta 4.2. I have dozens of workstations running gentoo, so now I'm going to upgrade one (test) laptop to get a feel for kde-4.2 and hopefully flesh out an upgrade strategy for all of these laptops and workstations running kde. I'm not so concerned with being slick, as I am discovering the verbose, *sure_footed steps* to make the migration, mechanical, because these will be done, one at a time, in the background while I do other work related tasks. The systems vary wildly (cpu, video etc) but they all have kde-meta 3.6.9 installed, currently. So here are my (gleaned) steps: 1. emerge --unmerge kde-meta 2. emerge --pretend --depclean kde-meta check over manually 3. emerge --depclean kde-meta 4. autounmask kde-base/kde-4.2.0 5. echo kde-base/kde-meta ~amd64 /etc/portage/package.keywords 6. emerge -DNv kde-meta Look plausible? Verbose comments are most welcome. James
Re: [gentoo-user] KDE-meta 4.2 upgrade
On Mittwoch 11 Februar 2009, James wrote: Hello, OK, I have read back into January the suggestions on this list about going to Kde-meta 4.2. I have dozens of workstations running gentoo, so now I'm going to upgrade one (test) laptop to get a feel for kde-4.2 and hopefully flesh out an upgrade strategy for all of these laptops and workstations running kde. I'm not so concerned with being slick, as I am discovering the verbose, *sure_footed steps* to make the migration, mechanical, because these will be done, one at a time, in the background while I do other work related tasks. The systems vary wildly (cpu, video etc) but they all have kde-meta 3.6.9 installed, currently. So here are my (gleaned) steps: 1. emerge --unmerge kde-meta 2. emerge --pretend --depclean kde-meta check over manually 3. emerge --depclean kde-meta 4. autounmask kde-base/kde-4.2.0 5. echo kde-base/kde-meta ~amd64 /etc/portage/package.keywords 6. emerge -DNv kde-meta Look plausible? Verbose comments are most welcome. just emerge the kde-4.2 set instead of that meta stuff.
[gentoo-user] Re: KDE-meta 4.2 upgrade
Volker Armin Hemmann volkerarmin at googlemail.com writes: 6. emerge -DNv kde-meta Look plausible? Verbose comments are most welcome. just emerge the kde-4.2 set instead of that meta stuff. Is there a problem with kde-meta-4.2.0 ? I have many different users asking for many different things, under kde. Kde-meta make my life simpler. However, if you have a technical reason not to install kde-meta, for example too many failed components, then please explain in some detail Just to save disk space or compile time, is not a relevant reason for me. I'm interested in why you say no to kde-meta? James
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: KDE-meta 4.2 upgrade
On Mittwoch 11 Februar 2009, james wrote: Volker Armin Hemmann volkerarmin at googlemail.com writes: 6. emerge -DNv kde-meta Look plausible? Verbose comments are most welcome. just emerge the kde-4.2 set instead of that meta stuff. Is there a problem with kde-meta-4.2.0 ? I have many different users asking for many different things, under kde. Kde-meta make my life simpler. However, if you have a technical reason not to install kde-meta, for example too many failed components, then please explain in some detail Just to save disk space or compile time, is not a relevant reason for me. I'm interested in why you say no to kde-meta? James because meta packages are on their way to be phased out and sets are the way to go? Sets are working great? Easier to unmask/keyword?
Re: [gentoo-user] KDE-meta 4.2 upgrade
On Wednesday 11 February 2009 20:25:13 James wrote: Hello, OK, I have read back into January the suggestions on this list about going to Kde-meta 4.2. I have dozens of workstations running gentoo, so now I'm going to upgrade one (test) laptop to get a feel for kde-4.2 and hopefully flesh out an upgrade strategy for all of these laptops and workstations running kde. I'm not so concerned with being slick, as I am discovering the verbose, *sure_footed steps* to make the migration, mechanical, because these will be done, one at a time, in the background while I do other work related tasks. The systems vary wildly (cpu, video etc) but they all have kde-meta 3.6.9 installed, currently. So here are my (gleaned) steps: 1. emerge --unmerge kde-meta 2. emerge --pretend --depclean kde-meta check over manually 3. emerge --depclean kde-meta 4. autounmask kde-base/kde-4.2.0 5. echo kde-base/kde-meta ~amd64 /etc/portage/package.keywords 6. emerge -DNv kde-meta Looks about right. If it were me, I would not unmerge kde-3.5.* just yet. I find that there are things still not present in 4.2 and I fall back to 3.5 to get them. Stuff like kmail which I have not migrated all my mail, contacts, feeds etc over to yet. Amarok, which although not part of 4.2, just plain sucks (no flame fest please, I like where it might go; it just has not quite gotten out of the starting blocks, never mind actually there yet) and you may run into trouble building system-settings (I didn't but others have). Also, 4.2 really really does not like it if you mix and match old and new overlays with the portage tree. You are not in that position, so it's not a problem for you. Finally, try to use sets if possible. The split -meta ebuilds were an ugly hack until sets made it into portage. They were orders of magnitude better than monolithic, but sets are just so much cleaner than -meta. Plus you get to easily define what's in a set if the standard ones don't suit your needs. I'm finding issues with exiv2, libkeviv2 and stuff that uses it. Like gwenview, okular and krita. But that's the kind of thing that happens occasionally in ~arch -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
[gentoo-user] Re: KDE-meta 4.2 upgrade
Alan McKinnon alan.mckinnon at gmail.com writes: Volker and Alan, Finally, try to use sets if possible. The split -meta ebuilds were an ugly hack until sets made it into portage. They were orders of magnitude better than monolithic, but sets are just so much cleaner than -meta. Plus you get to easily define what's in a set if the standard ones don't suit your needs. OK, I got it, use SETS instead of kde-meta. Where do I read up on using SETS? I see set in the emerge manpage, but it seem, brief. How do you use the default sets when upgrading to kde-4.2.x? Any examples or further reading? I'm finding issues with exiv2, libkeviv2 and stuff that uses it. Like gwenview, okular and krita. But that's the kind of thing that happens occasionally in ~arch Well this is just one test laptop. The approach is to now put kde-4.2.0 on this laptop, use it until some comfort is found with kde-4.2.x and then slowly upgrade the rest of the machine I'm admin over. Point well taken about skipping the removal of kde-meta-3.5.9. Just leave it on the laptop? I thought I had read that that causes problems. This laptop is my test box, so loosing kde-meta-3.5.9 is no big deal, as I have another workstation.
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: KDE-meta 4.2 upgrade
On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 3:29 PM, James wirel...@tampabay.rr.com wrote: Alan McKinnon alan.mckinnon at gmail.com writes: Volker and Alan, Finally, try to use sets if possible. The split -meta ebuilds were an ugly hack until sets made it into portage. They were orders of magnitude better than monolithic, but sets are just so much cleaner than -meta. Plus you get to easily define what's in a set if the standard ones don't suit your needs. OK, I got it, use SETS instead of kde-meta. Where do I read up on using SETS? I see set in the emerge manpage, but it seem, brief. How do you use the default sets when upgrading to kde-4.2.x? Basically, sets start with @ and you would just emerge like a meta, emerge @kde-4.2 (or whatever). You can do emerge --list-sets to see which are available to you. Rather than being meta listed in /var/lib/portage/world the sets will be listed in /var/lib/portage/world_sets You can make your own sets (my stuff or something) and it makes it easy to get all of your favorite/required packages when setting up a new system. Just emerge your set and voila :) The set files are simple, just a text file with a list of package names inside. You can put your custom sets in /etc/portage/sets I believe. Overlays can have their own sets (kde-testing has a million of them). Lastly, I think you need to be using portage 2.2 in order to have sets. I'm not sure what version is stable or whatever. I just unmasked all portage so I'm using whatever the latest one is in the tree.
Re: [gentoo-user] Permissions of /etc/sudoers
Michael Hentsch ha scritto: The file /etc/sudoers should always be edited with visudo. visudo uses file locking, provides basic sanity checks and checks for parse errors. This always made me crazy. Why, why, why should I use a specialized editor to edit a system file? It's not like we have vixorgconf, vifstab. You are welcome to edit these files with any editor you like. Why is /etc/sudoers special? m.
[gentoo-user] Re: Permissions of /etc/sudoers
b.n. wrote: Michael Hentsch ha scritto: The file /etc/sudoers should always be edited with visudo. visudo uses file locking, provides basic sanity checks and checks for parse errors. This always made me crazy. Why, why, why should I use a specialized editor to edit a system file? It's not like we have vixorgconf, vifstab. You are welcome to edit these files with any editor you like. Why is /etc/sudoers special? Because it needs to be checked for errors before you save it. But visudo uses the editor specified in the EDITOR environment variable (a lot programs do; EDITOR for editing and VISUAL for viewing). In /etc/env.d/99local, I have: EDITOR=kwrite So here, visudo brings up KDE's text editor.
Re: [gentoo-user] Permissions of /etc/sudoers
On Thu, 12 Feb 2009 00:52:22 +0100, b.n. wrote: The file /etc/sudoers should always be edited with visudo. visudo uses file locking, provides basic sanity checks and checks for parse errors. This always made me crazy. Why, why, why should I use a specialized editor to edit a system file? It's not like we have vixorgconf, vifstab. You are welcome to edit these files with any editor you like. Why is /etc/sudoers special? It's no more special than /etc/passwd, which should be edited with vipw. And it's not a specialised editor, these are just wrappers that call $EDITOR, so you end up using the same program to edit the files, but with a safety net. Remember that some systems restrict root access, so a fscked /etc/sudoers could lock you out. It's not like you HAVE to use the wrapper either, there's nothing to stop you using any editor you like, directly, and it's the best choice if you want to be free to screw up the file. -- Neil Bothwick Procedure: (n.) a method of performing a program sub-task in an inefficient way by extensively using the stack instead of a GOTO. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Permissions of /etc/sudoers
On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 5:52 PM, b.n. brullonu...@gmail.com wrote: Michael Hentsch ha scritto: The file /etc/sudoers should always be edited with visudo. visudo uses file locking, provides basic sanity checks and checks for parse errors. This always made me crazy. Why, why, why should I use a specialized editor to edit a system file? It's not like we have vixorgconf, vifstab. You are welcome to edit these files with any editor you like. Why is /etc/sudoers special? I guess an error in sudoers could allow the whole world to use sudo, and someone decided to give this special cushion to this program and none of the others that can also ruin your system in various other ways. :) Paul
Re: [gentoo-user] Permissions of /etc/sudoers
On Wed, 11 Feb 2009 18:01:36 -0600, Paul Hartman wrote: I guess an error in sudoers could allow the whole world to use sudo, and someone decided to give this special cushion to this program and none of the others that can also ruin your system in various other ways. :) You could also lock yourself out, and some of the other files also have editor wrappers. -- Neil Bothwick Bother, said Christopher Robin, as Pooh got out the vaseline. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
[gentoo-user] python-2.5.2-r7 build problems
Hi, I had two machine that for some reason wouldn't build the 2.5 slot for python. I've waited weeks for the possibility that something would get cleaned up in portage or on a server somewhere but as of yet it hasn't happened. For kicks today I cleaned out distfiles and did an emerge -e @system but it failed the same way. I'm wondering what to try next? Is it allowable to remove ebuilds by hand? Will an eix-sync get new versions if ebuilds are missing and I change the servers that the machine is pointing to? Looking for ideas about how to move forward. Thanks, Mark
Re: [gentoo-user] python-2.5.2-r7 build problems
Mark Knecht wrote: Hi, I had two machine that for some reason wouldn't build the 2.5 slot for python. I've waited weeks for the possibility that something would get cleaned up in portage or on a server somewhere but as of yet it hasn't happened. For kicks today I cleaned out distfiles and did an emerge -e @system but it failed the same way. I'm wondering what to try next? Is it allowable to remove ebuilds by hand? Will an eix-sync get new versions if ebuilds are missing and I change the servers that the machine is pointing to? Looking for ideas about how to move forward. Thanks, Mark What's the error message? --Joshua Doll
Re: [gentoo-user] python-2.5.2-r7 build problems
On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 6:25 PM, Joshua D Doll joshua.d...@gmail.com wrote:
Mark Knecht wrote:
Hi,
I had two machine that for some reason wouldn't build the 2.5 slot
for python. I've waited weeks for the possibility that something would
get cleaned up in portage or on a server somewhere but as of yet it
hasn't happened. For kicks today I cleaned out distfiles and did an
emerge -e @system but it failed the same way. I'm wondering what to
try next?
Is it allowable to remove ebuilds by hand? Will an eix-sync get new
versions if ebuilds are missing and I change the servers that the
machine is pointing to?
Looking for ideas about how to move forward.
Thanks,
Mark
What's the error message?
--Joshua Doll
Not much unfortunately:
Compiling
/var/tmp/portage/dev-lang/python-2.5.2-r7/image//usr/lib/python2.5/xml/sax/xmlreader.py
...
Compiling
/var/tmp/portage/dev-lang/python-2.5.2-r7/image//usr/lib/python2.5/xmllib.py
...
Compiling
/var/tmp/portage/dev-lang/python-2.5.2-r7/image//usr/lib/python2.5/xmlrpclib.py
...
Compiling
/var/tmp/portage/dev-lang/python-2.5.2-r7/image//usr/lib/python2.5/zipfile.py
...
make: *** [libinstall] Error 1
^[[31;01m*^[[0m
^[[31;01m*^[[0m ERROR: dev-lang/python-2.5.2-r7 failed.
^[[31;01m*^[[0m Call stack:
^[[31;01m*^[[0m ebuild.sh, line 49: Called src_install
^[[31;01m*^[[0m environment, line 3469: Called die
^[[31;01m*^[[0m The specific snippet of code:
^[[31;01m*^[[0m make DESTDIR=${D} altinstall maninstall || die;
^[[31;01m*^[[0m The die message:
^[[31;01m*^[[0m (no error message)
^[[31;01m*^[[0m
^[[31;01m*^[[0m If you need support, post the topmost build error,
and the call stack if relevant.
^[[31;01m*^[[0m A complete build log is located at
'/var/tmp/portage/dev-lang/python-2.5.2-r7/temp/build.log'.
^[[31;01m*^[[0m The ebuild environment file is located at
'/var/tmp/portage/dev-lang/python-2.5.2-r7/temp/environment'.
^[[31;01m*^[[0m
Re: [gentoo-user] python-2.5.2-r7 build problems
Mark Knecht wrote:
On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 6:25 PM, Joshua D Doll joshua.d...@gmail.com wrote:
Mark Knecht wrote:
Hi,
I had two machine that for some reason wouldn't build the 2.5 slot
for python. I've waited weeks for the possibility that something would
get cleaned up in portage or on a server somewhere but as of yet it
hasn't happened. For kicks today I cleaned out distfiles and did an
emerge -e @system but it failed the same way. I'm wondering what to
try next?
Is it allowable to remove ebuilds by hand? Will an eix-sync get new
versions if ebuilds are missing and I change the servers that the
machine is pointing to?
Looking for ideas about how to move forward.
Thanks,
Mark
What's the error message?
--Joshua Doll
Not much unfortunately:
Compiling
/var/tmp/portage/dev-lang/python-2.5.2-r7/image//usr/lib/python2.5/xml/sax/xmlreader.py
...
Compiling
/var/tmp/portage/dev-lang/python-2.5.2-r7/image//usr/lib/python2.5/xmllib.py
...
Compiling
/var/tmp/portage/dev-lang/python-2.5.2-r7/image//usr/lib/python2.5/xmlrpclib.py
...
Compiling
/var/tmp/portage/dev-lang/python-2.5.2-r7/image//usr/lib/python2.5/zipfile.py
...
make: *** [libinstall] Error 1
^[[31;01m*^[[0m
^[[31;01m*^[[0m ERROR: dev-lang/python-2.5.2-r7 failed.
^[[31;01m*^[[0m Call stack:
^[[31;01m*^[[0m ebuild.sh, line 49: Called src_install
^[[31;01m*^[[0m environment, line 3469: Called die
^[[31;01m*^[[0m The specific snippet of code:
^[[31;01m*^[[0m make DESTDIR=${D} altinstall maninstall || die;
^[[31;01m*^[[0m The die message:
^[[31;01m*^[[0m (no error message)
^[[31;01m*^[[0m
^[[31;01m*^[[0m If you need support, post the topmost build error,
and the call stack if relevant.
^[[31;01m*^[[0m A complete build log is located at
'/var/tmp/portage/dev-lang/python-2.5.2-r7/temp/build.log'.
^[[31;01m*^[[0m The ebuild environment file is located at
'/var/tmp/portage/dev-lang/python-2.5.2-r7/temp/environment'.
^[[31;01m*^[[0m
I might be mistaken, but I don't think that is make error message. You
might want to check further up in the build.log for more information.
--Joshua Doll
[gentoo-user] Re: KDE-meta 4.2 upgrade
Paul Hartman paul.hartman+gentoo at gmail.com writes: Basically, sets start with @ and you would just emerge like a meta, emerge @kde-4.2 (or whatever). You can do emerge --list-sets to see which are available to you. Rather than being meta listed in /var/lib/portage/world the sets will be listed in /var/lib/portage/world_sets Very cool. I'll give it a shot. James
Re: [gentoo-user] Permissions of /etc/sudoers
On 12 Feb 2009, at 00:01, Neil Bothwick wrote: ... there's nothing to stop you using any editor you like, directly, and it's the best choice if you want to be free to screw up the file. It's the Unix way! Stroller.
Re: [gentoo-user] python-2.5.2-r7 build problems
On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 7:04 PM, Joshua D Doll joshua.d...@gmail.com wrote:
Mark Knecht wrote:
On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 6:25 PM, Joshua D Doll joshua.d...@gmail.com
wrote:
Mark Knecht wrote:
Hi,
I had two machine that for some reason wouldn't build the 2.5 slot
for python. I've waited weeks for the possibility that something would
get cleaned up in portage or on a server somewhere but as of yet it
hasn't happened. For kicks today I cleaned out distfiles and did an
emerge -e @system but it failed the same way. I'm wondering what to
try next?
Is it allowable to remove ebuilds by hand? Will an eix-sync get new
versions if ebuilds are missing and I change the servers that the
machine is pointing to?
Looking for ideas about how to move forward.
Thanks,
Mark
What's the error message?
--Joshua Doll
Not much unfortunately:
Compiling
/var/tmp/portage/dev-lang/python-2.5.2-r7/image//usr/lib/python2.5/xml/sax/xmlreader.py
...
Compiling
/var/tmp/portage/dev-lang/python-2.5.2-r7/image//usr/lib/python2.5/xmllib.py
...
Compiling
/var/tmp/portage/dev-lang/python-2.5.2-r7/image//usr/lib/python2.5/xmlrpclib.py
...
Compiling
/var/tmp/portage/dev-lang/python-2.5.2-r7/image//usr/lib/python2.5/zipfile.py
...
make: *** [libinstall] Error 1
^[[31;01m*^[[0m
^[[31;01m*^[[0m ERROR: dev-lang/python-2.5.2-r7 failed.
^[[31;01m*^[[0m Call stack:
^[[31;01m*^[[0m ebuild.sh, line 49: Called src_install
^[[31;01m*^[[0m environment, line 3469: Called die
^[[31;01m*^[[0m The specific snippet of code:
^[[31;01m*^[[0m make DESTDIR=${D} altinstall maninstall || die;
^[[31;01m*^[[0m The die message:
^[[31;01m*^[[0m (no error message)
^[[31;01m*^[[0m
^[[31;01m*^[[0m If you need support, post the topmost build error,
and the call stack if relevant.
^[[31;01m*^[[0m A complete build log is located at
'/var/tmp/portage/dev-lang/python-2.5.2-r7/temp/build.log'.
^[[31;01m*^[[0m The ebuild environment file is located at
'/var/tmp/portage/dev-lang/python-2.5.2-r7/temp/environment'.
^[[31;01m*^[[0m
I might be mistaken, but I don't think that is make error message. You might
want to check further up in the build.log for more information.
--Joshua Doll
Thanks. I really see nothing else in the file unless I'm just missing
it somehow. I've grepped the file for error/Error/ERROR. The only
thing that shows up is this for 'Error':
mkdir: cannot create directory `Include': File exists
make: [Include/graminit.h] Error 1 (ignored)
Parser/pgen ./Grammar/Grammar ./Include/graminit.h ./Python/graminit.c
mkdir: cannot create directory `Include': File exists
make: [Python/graminit.c] Error 1 (ignored)
Parser/pgen ./Grammar/Grammar ./Include/graminit.h ./Python/graminit.c
and this:
Compiling
/var/tmp/portage/dev-lang/python-2.5.2-r7/image//usr/lib/python2.5/test/test_multibytecodec.py
...
Sorry: UnicodeDecodeError: ('unicodeescape', '\\N{SOFT HYPHEN}', 0,
15, 'unknown Unicode character name')
Compiling
/var/tmp/portage/dev-lang/python-2.5.2-r7/image//usr/lib/python2.5/test/test_multibytecodec_support.py
...
For kicks I erased the work directory which gets left around when a
build fails. That didn't help.
Mostly I was thinking if I knew what I could safely delete then I
could let emerge download new copies. I'm assuming that this is being
caused by some corrupted file on my machine, or on the server. If I
change servers then maybe I'll get a good copy, etc. It's weak but
this has been hanging around for a month. I've filed a bug. I haven't
heard a word from bugzilla folks. Not like the old days when you'd see
a response from someone within hours.
- Mark
Re: [gentoo-user] python-2.5.2-r7 build problems
On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 7:04 PM, Joshua D Doll joshua.d...@gmail.com wrote:
SNIP
I might be mistaken, but I don't think that is make error message. You might
want to check further up in the build.log for more information.
--Joshua Doll
CFLAGS? The machine that fails:
CFLAGS=-O3 -march=athlon-xp -funroll-loops -fprefetch-loop-arrays -pipe
CHOST=i686-pc-linux-gnu
CXXFLAGS=${CFLAGS}
MAKEOPTS=-j2
A machine that passes:
Re: [gentoo-user] python-2.5.2-r7 build problems
On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 8:22 PM, Mark Knecht markkne...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 7:04 PM, Joshua D Doll joshua.d...@gmail.com wrote:
SNIP
I might be mistaken, but I don't think that is make error message. You might
want to check further up in the build.log for more information.
--Joshua Doll
CFLAGS? The machine that fails:
CFLAGS=-O3 -march=athlon-xp -funroll-loops -fprefetch-loop-arrays -pipe
CHOST=i686-pc-linux-gnu
CXXFLAGS=${CFLAGS}
MAKEOPTS=-j2
A machine that passes:
CFLAGS=-O2 -march=i686 -fomit-frame-pointer -pipe
CHOST=i686-pc-linux-gnu
CXXFLAGS=${CFLAGS}
MAKEOPTS=-j2
[gentoo-user] Can't login from terminal?
Hi, My gentoo worked very well in the past two years. But today I found that I can't login it from the terminal, but ssh login is OK. I have written down the login message: /*/ This is Gentoo-Server.unknown_domain (Linux i686 2.6.26-gentoo-r1) 12:22:39 Gentoo-Server login: root Password: Last login: Thu Feb 12:09:24 CST 2009 from node07 on pts/0 This is Gentoo-Server.unknown_domain (Linux i686 2.6.26-gentoo-r1) 12:28:36 Gentoo-Server login: /*/ node07 is another machine from which I used ssh to login the Gentoo-Server and as what I said above, it succeeded. Have anybody ever encountered this problem? Any help will be appreciate! -- wcw
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: KDE-meta 4.2 upgrade
james wrote: Paul Hartman paul.hartman+gentoo at gmail.com writes: Basically, sets start with @ and you would just emerge like a meta, emerge @kde-4.2 (or whatever). You can do emerge --list-sets to see which are available to you. Rather than being meta listed in /var/lib/portage/world the sets will be listed in /var/lib/portage/world_sets Very cool. I'll give it a shot. James Sorry to butt in here. I !think! I get what sets does, you add a group of packages to a file and then when you do the @sets thing, it emerges/upgrades that group of packages. I get that part. I guess from what I am reading that we the user OR the tree devs can create a sets file. So I could create a set called network and put things like Kppp, ppp, wireshark and all the networky things in there for my use alone. I assume that the tree devs can also create a sets file with say all the KDE packages or maybe all the system packages in it for everybody to use. Would that be correct? I'm going to jump off a cliff here and ask this. How would I emerge kde-meta-4.2 and all its friends without using layman or anything, just a plain emerge @kde-meta and go to bed for a while? This would be using the sets feature too. I am using portage-2.2_rc23 so I should be ready to go with the new sets feature. Oh, is there a really good howto somewhere? Real simple non-geek speak. Cool examples would be really nice. I looked around gentoo.org but nothing really spells it out. I did find a HUGE thread about it but still not registering for me. I need a light bulb moment. O_O Dale :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: KDE-meta 4.2 upgrade
On Thursday 12 February 2009 07:01:36 Dale wrote: Sorry to butt in here. I !think! I get what sets does, you add a group of packages to a file and then when you do the @sets thing, it emerges/upgrades that group of packages. I get that part. I guess from what I am reading that we the user OR the tree devs can create a sets file. Yes. The old split -meta ebuilds were a stop-gap hack while waiting for set functionality (the devs said as much in the kde split-ebuild handbook page) but required that a full-blown ebuild be written. Which then had to be manifested and either inserted in the tree or an overlay. i.e. waay too complex for what is really just a simple list. So I could create a set called network and put things like Kppp, ppp, wireshark and all the networky things in there for my use alone. Yes I assume that the tree devs can also create a sets file with say all the KDE packages or maybe all the system packages in it for everybody to use. Would that be correct? Yes. I'm going to jump off a cliff here and ask this. How would I emerge kde-meta-4.2 and all its friends without using layman or anything, just a plain emerge @kde-meta and go to bed for a while? This would be using the sets feature too. I am using portage-2.2_rc23 so I should be ready to go with the new sets feature. Forget about anything with -meta in it's name if you want to use sets. As I said above, -meta ebuilds are a hack and an ugly one to boot (but useful nonetheless). Create a file called say /etc/portage/sets/dale_stuff and run emerge -av @dale_stuff Go to bed. To get all the kde stuff, I *think* that easiest would be to ask someone using kde-testing to mail you a copy of the set file included there. Or you could make one by hand with ls,grep,sed,awk and friends. Oh, is there a really good howto somewhere? Real simple non-geek speak. Cool examples would be really nice. I looked around gentoo.org but nothing really spells it out. I did find a HUGE thread about it but still not registering for me. I need a light bulb moment. O_O There isn't much in the way of docs. I read a blog post from one of the devs recently but have no idea where it is. I'll have a look. It would appear from some code snippets I saw there that you can even do nifty things like subtract one set from another. Say you wanted all of kde except three specific apps. Put those three in a set file, let's call it kde_exclude, and run some command along the lines of emerge @k...@kde_exclude portage will subtract the exclude file from the big one and merge just the difference. Cool, hey? -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
Re: [gentoo-user] Can't login from terminal?
* Chuanwen Wu (wcw8...@gmail.com) [12.02.09 05:41]: Hi, My gentoo worked very well in the past two years. But today I found that I can't login it from the terminal, but ssh login is OK. Have anybody ever encountered this problem? Any help will be appreciate! man securetty HTH Sebastian -- Religion ist das Opium des Volkes. Karl Marx s...@sti@N GÜNTHER mailto:sam...@guenther-roetgen.de pgp2W3qxh42IZ.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] KDE-meta 4.2 upgrade
On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 9:19 PM, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: gotten out of the starting blocks, never mind actually there yet) and you may run into trouble building system-settings (I didn't but others have). If you are using an older compiler (like gcc-4.1.1-r3) you may get a linker error. Have a look at bug 256827. Regards Dirk
Re: [gentoo-user] KDE4.2 compile problem
On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 8:41 AM, Dirk Uys dirkc...@gmail.com wrote: After some more struggling I managed to get kde-base/systemsettings compiled: If I unmerge x11-libs/libxkbfile and then emerge systemsettings, it compiles fine (without support for the xkb settings). After that I did an emerge -DuvaN world and this pulls in libxkbfile again. But when I try to start KDE4.2 (using kdm), the screen blanks out a few times while kde is loading (the spash screen being displayed) and then I briefly see a malformed desktop (the bottom of the taskbar wraps around to the top of the screen) and then just a black screen. In /var/log/messages, something about plasma crashing is reported, can't remember and I'm not at the PC now, but nothing very informative. I feel like going back to my good old days of windowmaker. Regards Dirk I found bug #256827, upgraded gcc, and everything is fine and well again! Regards Dirk
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: KDE-meta 4.2 upgrade
Alan McKinnon wrote: On Thursday 12 February 2009 07:01:36 Dale wrote: Sorry to butt in here. I !think! I get what sets does, you add a group of packages to a file and then when you do the @sets thing, it emerges/upgrades that group of packages. I get that part. I guess from what I am reading that we the user OR the tree devs can create a sets file. Yes. The old split -meta ebuilds were a stop-gap hack while waiting for set functionality (the devs said as much in the kde split-ebuild handbook page) but required that a full-blown ebuild be written. Which then had to be manifested and either inserted in the tree or an overlay. i.e. waay too complex for what is really just a simple list. So I could create a set called network and put things like Kppp, ppp, wireshark and all the networky things in there for my use alone. Yes I assume that the tree devs can also create a sets file with say all the KDE packages or maybe all the system packages in it for everybody to use. Would that be correct? Yes. I'm going to jump off a cliff here and ask this. How would I emerge kde-meta-4.2 and all its friends without using layman or anything, just a plain emerge @kde-meta and go to bed for a while? This would be using the sets feature too. I am using portage-2.2_rc23 so I should be ready to go with the new sets feature. Forget about anything with -meta in it's name if you want to use sets. As I said above, -meta ebuilds are a hack and an ugly one to boot (but useful nonetheless). Create a file called say /etc/portage/sets/dale_stuff and run emerge -av @dale_stuff Go to bed. To get all the kde stuff, I *think* that easiest would be to ask someone using kde-testing to mail you a copy of the set file included there. Or you could make one by hand with ls,grep,sed,awk and friends. Oh, is there a really good howto somewhere? Real simple non-geek speak. Cool examples would be really nice. I looked around gentoo.org but nothing really spells it out. I did find a HUGE thread about it but still not registering for me. I need a light bulb moment. O_O There isn't much in the way of docs. I read a blog post from one of the devs recently but have no idea where it is. I'll have a look. It would appear from some code snippets I saw there that you can even do nifty things like subtract one set from another. Say you wanted all of kde except three specific apps. Put those three in a set file, let's call it kde_exclude, and run some command along the lines of emerge @k...@kde_exclude portage will subtract the exclude file from the big one and merge just the difference. Cool, hey? Cool. Thanks for the info. Nice to know I understood some things correctly. Even a dead clock is right twice a day. o_O Dale :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] Can't login from terminal?
Hi, thanks! man securetty /*/ # cat /etc/securetty # /etc/securetty: list of terminals on which root is allowed to login. # See securetty(5) and login(1). console vc/0 vc/1 vc/2 vc/3 vc/4 vc/5 vc/6 vc/7 vc/8 vc/9 vc/10 vc/11 vc/12 tty0 tty1 tty2 tty3 tty4 tty5 tty6 tty7 tty8 tty9 tty10 tty11 tty12 tts/0 ttyS0 /*/ This is my /etc/securetty, I think it's normal. Besides, I can't login as root, neither other user. -- wcw
