Re: [gentoo-user] Abut smb:// aware tools
Am Freitag 02 Oktober 2009 22:56:31 schrieb Harry Putnam: I'd really like to be able to use UNK addressing from the cmd line. cd //host/share You can do `cd //linux-host/share' in a bash terminal You can do it on Linux, too. Use the kernel automounter and set it up to mount shares under /net/hostname. (Hmm, isn't that the default anyway?) Konqueror can do it... but I don't run kde, and don't really want to fiddle with it in that direction. No, konq can't do it. It uses KDE kio techniques (incl. smb, fish, ftp, audiocd, whatever), but this is KDE only. Bye... Dirk
[gentoo-user] Changing portage.* file to a directory.
Hi folks, I'm wanting to change the portage.* files to a directory since portage has been supporting this for while now. I have a question tho. I have a few files that are not currently active. I have them named package.keyword.old and a few others with other things attached to the end. Naturally I don't want to include those files but want to hang onto the files. Is there something that I can do when naming them that will tell portage to ignore them? Maybe like putting a # in front of the name or something? Thanks. Dale :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] Changing portage.* file to a directory.
On Samstag 03 Oktober 2009, Dale wrote: Hi folks, I'm wanting to change the portage.* files to a directory since portage has been supporting this for while now. I have a question tho. I have a few files that are not currently active. I have them named package.keyword.old and a few others with other things attached to the end. Naturally I don't want to include those files but want to hang onto the files. Is there something that I can do when naming them that will tell portage to ignore them? Maybe like putting a # in front of the name or something? Thanks. Dale :-) :-) ??? just create package.use/keyword/unmask/mask directory, but do not put the files you don't want to be considered into them.
Re: [gentoo-user] Changing portage.* file to a directory.
Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: On Samstag 03 Oktober 2009, Dale wrote: Hi folks, I'm wanting to change the portage.* files to a directory since portage has been supporting this for while now. I have a question tho. I have a few files that are not currently active. I have them named package.keyword.old and a few others with other things attached to the end. Naturally I don't want to include those files but want to hang onto the files. Is there something that I can do when naming them that will tell portage to ignore them? Maybe like putting a # in front of the name or something? Thanks. Dale :-) :-) ??? just create package.use/keyword/unmask/mask directory, but do not put the files you don't want to be considered into them. So I'll have to store them somewhere else huh? That will work I guess. Hmmm, /root I guess. Would be nice to have them all in one place tho. Thanks much. Dale :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] Changing portage.* file to a directory.
On Samstag 03 Oktober 2009, Dale wrote: Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: On Samstag 03 Oktober 2009, Dale wrote: Hi folks, I'm wanting to change the portage.* files to a directory since portage has been supporting this for while now. I have a question tho. I have a few files that are not currently active. I have them named package.keyword.old and a few others with other things attached to the end. Naturally I don't want to include those files but want to hang onto the files. Is there something that I can do when naming them that will tell portage to ignore them? Maybe like putting a # in front of the name or something? Thanks. Dale :-) :-) ??? just create package.use/keyword/unmask/mask directory, but do not put the files you don't want to be considered into them. So I'll have to store them somewhere else huh? That will work I guess. Hmmm, /root I guess. Would be nice to have them all in one place tho. Thanks much. Dale :-) :-) no, just let them linger in /etc/portage as long as they don't end on *keyword *use *mask *unmask they won't get considered.
Re: [gentoo-user] Changing portage.* file to a directory.
Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: On Samstag 03 Oktober 2009, Dale wrote: Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: On Samstag 03 Oktober 2009, Dale wrote: Hi folks, I'm wanting to change the portage.* files to a directory since portage has been supporting this for while now. I have a question tho. I have a few files that are not currently active. I have them named package.keyword.old and a few others with other things attached to the end. Naturally I don't want to include those files but want to hang onto the files. Is there something that I can do when naming them that will tell portage to ignore them? Maybe like putting a # in front of the name or something? Thanks. Dale :-) :-) ??? just create package.use/keyword/unmask/mask directory, but do not put the files you don't want to be considered into them. So I'll have to store them somewhere else huh? That will work I guess. Hmmm, /root I guess. Would be nice to have them all in one place tho. Thanks much. Dale :-) :-) no, just let them linger in /etc/portage as long as they don't end on *keyword *use *mask *unmask they won't get considered. That should work. I didn't know that little tidbit of info. Thanks. Dale :-) :-)
[gentoo-user] Re: device eth0 does not exist
Thanks again. I was using the e1000 both compiled-in and as a module with previous posts. I just tried the e1000e out of desperation, but I haven't tried it as a module. I don't feel that it's the kernel driver but rather the correct ethernet inter-face is not being created. I'm reading about writing udev rules at the moment. The kenel configuration I had was working. _ Get your FREE, LinuxWaves.com Email Now! -- http://www.LinuxWaves.com Join Linux Discussions! -- http://Community.LinuxWaves.com
[gentoo-user] Re: preferred editor
On 2 Oct 2009, at 17:16, Grant Edwards wrote: ... I don't like nano much either -- I find it rather clumsy, but at least it seems to be safe. It doesn't trash my file every 30 seconds when I start typing content while in command mode. Honestly -- I've used vi infrequently but regularly (probably several times a month) for decades, and my brain just doesn't work the way vi does. What editor do you prefer, then? IIRC when I was at uni (c 2000) one of the TA's suggested Joe as an alternative to the traditional Unix editors. I have been making a little effort in the last year or two to come to grips with vi or vim, and am starting to prefer it, but ISTM that the problem with traditional Unix editors (i.e. vi emacs) is that they depend upon learning obscure keyboard shortcuts. ISTM the problem with pcio / nano is that advanced users find it too simplistic. I have this notion - can't be arsed to confirm this, disprove it or find additional information with Google right now - that Joe was developed to overcome this above problems. Stroller.
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: preferred editor
On Sat, 2009-10-03 at 11:28 +0100, Stroller wrote: I have this notion - can't be arsed to confirm this, disprove it or find additional information with Google right now - that Joe was developed to overcome this above problems. AFAIK Joe is similar to emacs (without the built-in lisp stuff) so most of the keybindings will be the same. Well there are a lot of editors made to overcome one or more problems of the other. That's why app-editors is so full. To me this shows more that editors don't have lots os problems, but people are just picky about editors. -a
[gentoo-user] Re: Abut smb:// aware tools
On 10/02/2009 09:00 PM, Harry Putnam wrote: waltw41...@gmail.com writes: On 10/02/2009 01:56 PM, Harry Putnam wrote: Do we have tools other than Konqueror that are aware of smb/UNK addressing? The gnome desktop allows transparent browsing of network shares by typing the URL network:/// in the Location bar of nautilus, which I'm guessing I very similar to the konqueror mechanism. Before you answer please note that: I know about ssh I know about fuse I know about mount -tcifs I'd really like to be able to use UNK addressing from the cmd line. cd //host/share Well, it sounds like you know more about the subject than I do, but do you know about smbmount that comes as part of samba? Seems to me like that's what you're asking for. I had forgotten about smbmount but that too is not the same as being able to cd around with cd //host/share... Hm. I'm wondering if you come from a Windows background and are new to the world of *ix? That's the only way I can make sense of the paragraph above. In order to cd to a file system (like smbfs) that file system must first be 'mounted' on a mount-point e.g. /mnt/ or /shares/ or wherever you choose to put it. That mounting can be automated and transparent to the user, as Dirk said, but it must be done somehow before you can cd to it. Just like partitons like /root, /var, /tmp, /usr, /home and the rest must be mounted before they can be used by anyone, including the OS. This is done automatically during bootup so you don't need to do it yourself. Same with network shares. I hope I'm not misunderstanding and giving you an unneeded lecture :o)
[gentoo-user] shake message: concurrent access: No data available
When using shake to defragment some files, I got this message on several recently-written files: concurrent access: No data available I've never seen it before, and google returned 0 results for that phrase. Has anyone gotten this or knows what is means? Thanks, Paul
Re: [gentoo-user] Abut smb:// aware tools
On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 3:56 PM, Harry Putnam rea...@newsguy.com wrote: Do we have tools other than Konqueror that are aware of smb/UNK addressing? Before you answer please note that: I know about ssh I know about fuse I know about mount -tcifs I'd really like to be able to use UNK addressing from the cmd line. cd //host/share I don't now how many of you have noticed but bash shell from cygwin on windows has that capability built in. Or maybe it comes from windows env. You can do `cd //linux-host/share' in a bash terminal If command line smb/UNK is not on without lots of diddling around, what about some file managing tool that does it like Konqueror does. Emacs is said to be able to do this using tramp but I haven't ever gotten it to work. Konqueror can do it... but I don't run kde, and don't really want to fiddle with it in that direction. Midnight Commander can do it.
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: preferred editor
What editor do you prefer, then? I have been making a little effort in the last year or two to come to grips with vi or vim, and am starting to prefer it, but ISTM that the problem with traditional Unix editors (i.e. vi emacs) is that they depend upon learning obscure keyboard shortcuts. When I shifted to Linux full time a couple years ago, I decided to force myself to learn vi. I don't make any claims that it's better than emacs or any other editors out there. But for more advanced editors, I think it's necessary that there will be some learning curve, and then the best one is just what you bothered to learn. Emacs looks great, but I don't have a clue how to use it. Sure, the shortcuts are obscure, but I think even with a modern editor, shortcuts are obscure to the uninitiated. From this basic stand-point, I haven't found anything vi can do that emacs can't and vice-versa. But I just started forcing myself to use my editor of choice for everything, and then finding work-arounds (for example, in vi :set paste when you want to paste stuff from the main buffer (a la shift+insert in Konsole) without retarded indentation) and keeping a small notebook for the vi commands I learned. You can start making customized macros (I have one for printing the date, for example, for log files), customized highlighting (find one online you like the most and slowly tweak it), and nice default settings (like line numbering auto-enabled, for example). So, my advice would just be to make some kind of informed decision on which editor to use, and stick through the learning curve. It's much like choice of linux distribution. You can always change, but you ought to stay with your initial choice long enough to be competent with it. Besides, once you learn lots of obscure shortcuts, as one of my friends said, You can contort your hands in strange ways and make magic happen! ~daid
[gentoo-user] How can I control system speaker?
Hi, is there any way to control system speaker? I mean that small one usually in computer case, which makes those annoying beep sounds when you turn on computer. I'd like to use it for sending messages from my server, i.e. three short beeps when boot-up process is finished (it does not have a monitor attached)... Jarry -- ___ This mailbox accepts e-mails only from selected mailing-lists! Everything else is considered to be spam and therefore deleted.
Re: [gentoo-user] Double nautilus windows for each USB flash drive plugged in
Apparently I have bodged the setup somehow on this system. Each time I plug in a flash drive, two Nautilus windows open up. If I plug three USB drives in, six windows open. Any ideas please, to smooth this minor wrinkle? Another useful notion is to use udev to automount flash drives (or external usb harddrives) to a specified location based on serial number. I found a nice overview on the web a few weeks ago, but I didn't bookmark it and just kept notes of what steps I took. I can either give an overview or dig up the url if anyone likes. It's damn useful and fairly painless. This is fairly useful for doing backups to external that want the backup disk at the same mount point, for example. Now I just need to figure out how to tell KDE not to ask me what to do with these particular devices that I have udev rules for so I don't need to click cancel / do nothing every time. ~daid
Re: [gentoo-user] cannot setup acpi
I'm trying to setup acpi, but I cannot get it work Hello, I didn't set up acpi for power save yet, but I did do it for getting my laptop to go to sleep on lid close, and it was really easy. Since I imagine this might be a function you also want (and I got it working really easily), you might try your hand at this first to be sure acpi events are generally working. If others had given some more knowledgeable and specific reply, I'd omit comment, since my response is somewhat peripheral. But at least this might be somewhere to start. I attach my log file for setting up sleep (I omitted what kernel configurations I set, so if you need me to try and figure that out, let me know, since I should have included it in my own log file). I think this requires at least kernel 2.6.27. ~daid # emerge hibernation-script # emerge acpid Minimal configurations in /etc/hiberate common.conf Make some scripts in /etc/acpi # vi lid.sh !#/bin/bash sudo hibernate-ram # chmod +x lid.sh In /etc/acpi/events # vi lid event=button/lid.* action=/etc/acpi/lid.sh at the end of visudo, have something like daid ALL=NOPASSWD: /usr/sbin/hibernate-ram, /usr/sbin/hibernate although since the script has root permissions, this is probably not necessary unless you run it from the command line now closing and opening the lid should work just fine. There was already some kde functionaily where it locked the screen on close, and now when I open, that's my prompt. If there are problems, then you may want to enable this functionailty first, which I do not recall, because I had the lock screen on close function enabled in kde on lid-close signal much earlier than I had sleep working correctly. However, I recall reading in one of the hibernate manuals that such a feature was necessary, but maybe I can test and see... 06 Apr 2009 16:55:45 Tested remounting filesystems. It seems to used /etc/fstab to understand where to mount partitions, and what the filesystems are. Thus, the line in /etc/hibernate/common.conf: Mount /dev/sda2 /dev/sda4 Will check fstab for entries for /dev/sda2 and /dev/sda4, and if it finds those disks, it will mount them according to the rules of fstab. This is handy for multiple partitions, so you aren't forced to manually remount all the time. However, there is still the problem where if a program is accessing one of the drives to be unmounted suspend will simply not occur. I want to override this, either by force quitting the application, or something... Well, since I have my Mac OS and Win XP partitions in fstab as ro (read-only), there's not an obvious need to unmount them at sleep time. This will also eliminate the fact that if any of the other paritions are being accessed (even by something like a Konsole window that has pwd within one of the partitions to be unmounted), then the hibernate will fail, and the computer will stay awake! This can be disasterous if you don't realize it's not asleep, and then unplug the power and then the system crashes. not only are you mounted in all the paritions, but the entire system is just power unplugged, which is crap.
[gentoo-user] about layman and eix search
How to make eix search an overlay too. The manpage for layman says: You can search through the ebuilds available in the overlays on http://overlays.gentoo.org by using eix. Emerge the package and run update-eix-remote update. But I find no such option in eix or eix --help|grep update or 'man eix' although I do find eix-remote and eix-layman. But not at all clear if either of those can cause eix to search overlays. I don't see any likely use flags to change either at: emerge -vp eix: [ebuild R ] app-portage/eix-0.18.0 USE=bzip2 nls -deprecated -doc -sqlite -tools 0 kB It must be common task for people using overlays... so anyone know how its done.
Re: [gentoo-user] How can I control system speaker?
On Sat, 03 Oct 2009 16:19:48 +0200 Jarry mr.ja...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, is there any way to control system speaker? I mean that small one usually in computer case, which makes those annoying beep sounds when you turn on computer. app-misc/beep I'd like to use it for sending messages from my server, i.e. three short beeps when boot-up process is finished (it does not have a monitor attached)... beep -f 200 -r 3 -d 100 regards, hp_sebastian
Re: [gentoo-user] about layman and eix search
On Sat, 03 Oct 2009 09:42:42 -0500 Harry Putnam rea...@newsguy.com wrote: How to make eix search an overlay too. The manpage for layman says: You can search through the ebuilds available in the overlays on http://overlays.gentoo.org by using eix. Emerge the package and run update-eix-remote update. But I find no such option in eix or eix --help|grep update or 'man eix' although I do find eix-remote and eix-layman. eix-update adds overlays to the eix-database. If you use eix-sync instead of emerge --sync, you don't have to run eix-update afterwards. [...] signature.asc Description: PGP signature
[gentoo-user] Re: Abut smb:// aware tools
walt w41...@gmail.com writes: [...] Well, it sounds like you know more about the subject than I do, but do you know about smbmount that comes as part of samba? Seems to me like that's what you're asking for. I had forgotten about smbmount but that too is not the same as being able to cd around with cd //host/share... Hm. I'm wondering if you come from a Windows background and are new to the world of *ix? I started my computer life on linux 1996.. only moved to windows for some things when editing video (I like the adobe tools... and linux just doesn't have anything remotely comparable.) I admit having a very thick skull, but I also have quite a lot of time on linux and solaris...so a little has soaked into even my thick skull. It took me quite a while to learn much about windows. And it still seems horribly awkward... especially when moving around in the file system. Its so much slower and time wasting to have to navigate by clickety clack in something like the navigation windows that open for on most applications.. I most windows applications, if you want to load a new file... the navigation starts at My Documents... a place where just about nothing I do should be kept. So you must navigate to wherever it is over and over, while working on windows. I do know a few short cuts to use but still the basic fact is that overtime a very lot of time goes into just moving around on winows. .. That's the only way I can make sense of the paragraph above. Maybe because you left out most of it? I had forgotten about smbmount but that too is not the same as being able to cd around with cd //host/share smbmount adds another layer of complexity... and something more to umount or maintain in mounted state... would also add a few more characters to each address. In order to cd to a file system (like smbfs) that file system must first be 'mounted' on a mount-point e.g. /mnt/ or /shares/ or wherever you choose to put it. That mounting can be automated and transparent to the user, as Dirk said, but it must be done somehow before you can cd to it. Hence my comment smbmount adds another layer of complexity... Hence my comment would also add a few more characters to each address. Someone has to configure it... and manintain it thru a new install. If or when that comes up. It may not be terribly difficult... but it does need to be done. Just like partitons like /root, /var, /tmp, /usr, /home and the rest must be mounted before they can be used by anyone, including the OS. This is done automatically during bootup so you don't need to do it yourself. Same with network shares. Its done automatically only if you make that happen by some configuration. It may be worth it though... and like I said.. I'd forgotten about smbmount and really have never gotten envolved with automounting things...other than one major nfs share keep on a solaris zfs server. automounting is somewhat new in linux... it was not commonly used when I started out. I hope I'm not misunderstanding and giving you an unneeded lecture :o) Its always a good thing to have the basics hammered into your head. You might notice that most boxing matches are won by really basic techniques like keeping that jab out there. Or slipping punches that would really do damage if you didn't know how to move with it when you can. So no harm revisiting basic stuff. Maybe you didn't notice my reference to cygwin bash on windows being able to navigate via UNC. It takes only creating shares to offer thru samba, for cygwin bash to be able to navigate them with cd //host/share. No mounting, or if there is, I didn't have to specifically configure it. Smb is native to windows... so maybe that is the reason.
[gentoo-user] Re: Abut smb:// aware tools
On 10/03/2009 05:55 AM, Paul Hartman wrote: On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 3:56 PM, Harry Putnamrea...@newsguy.com wrote: Do we have tools other than Konqueror that are aware of smb/UNK addressing? Before you answer please note that: I know about ssh I know about fuse I know about mount -tcifs I'd really like to be able to use UNK addressing from the cmd line. cd //host/share I don't now how many of you have noticed but bash shell from cygwin on windows has that capability built in. Or maybe it comes from windows env. You can do `cd //linux-host/share' in a bash terminal If command line smb/UNK is not on without lots of diddling around, what about some file managing tool that does it like Konqueror does. Emacs is said to be able to do this using tramp but I haven't ever gotten it to work. Konqueror can do it... but I don't run kde, and don't really want to fiddle with it in that direction. Midnight Commander can do it. Nifty, I didn't know that. Amazing what mc can do. Couple of points that are not obvious in case Harry wants to try mc: it needs to be compiled with the samba USE flag set; and you access your samba shares using the Right or Left dropdown menus at the top of the mc window. This function of mc (being an old app) I'm guessing is what inspired the similar functions in konqueror and nautilus, but I'm not sure about the order of events. Thanks for the tip.
[gentoo-user] Re: Abut smb:// aware tools
Paul Hartman paul.hartman+gen...@gmail.com writes: Emacs is said to be able to do this using tramp but I haven't ever gotten it to work. Konqueror can do it... but I don't run kde, and don't really want to fiddle with it in that direction. Midnight Commander can do it. Haa, there is an old time tool... what do I need to use in `eix' to find it. `eix midnight' fails as does `eix commander' Does it have a different name in portage? I did find a vimcommander... maybe that will have the functionality too, since it says it has a commander style interface.
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Abut smb:// aware tools
Am 03.10.2009 17:31, schrieb Harry Putnam:
Haa, there is an old time tool... what do I need to use in `eix' to
find it.
`eix midnight' fails as does `eix commander'
metat...@darkstation ~ $ eix -S midnight
* app-misc/mc
Available versions: 4.6.1-r4 4.7.0_pre1 (~)4.7.0_pre2
(~)4.7.0_pre2-r1 {7zip X chdir +edit gpm ncurses nls samba (+)slang unicode}
Homepage:http://www.midnight-commander.org
Description: GNU Midnight Commander is a text based file
manager
Greetings
Sebastian
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Abut smb:// aware tools
Am Samstag 03 Oktober 2009 17:27:19 schrieb Harry Putnam: I started my computer life on linux 1996.. automounting is somewhat new in linux... it was not commonly used when I started out. Hmm, Not commonly used, don't know. First versions of autofs date back to April 97, amd is much older, I think. So no, automounting is NOT new in Linux, it's there for over a decade now. Bye... Dirk
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Abut smb:// aware tools
Am Samstag 03 Oktober 2009 17:31:28 schrieb Harry Putnam: `eix midnight' fails as does `eix commander' Does it have a different name in portage? No, it has the same name as everywhere: mc ;-) Bye... Dirk
[gentoo-user] strace + SUID program
Hi, I'm still struggling with a permission problem with fcrontab. On (only) one of two identical (I believe so) machines, fcrontab -e (as non-root user) gives Could not change egid to fcron[449]: Operation not permitted Since the fcrontab binary and all used dynamic libs are identical and the permissions on /var/spool/fron (/**/*) are identical on both machines, I tried strace. But how to apply strace to an SUID/SGID application. When I say strace fcrontab -e it fails with the very same error now even on the machine where it works without strace. I'd be glad if someone could throw some light on this strange situation. Many thanks, Helmut. -- Helmut Jarausch Lehrstuhl fuer Numerische Mathematik RWTH - Aachen University D 52056 Aachen, Germany
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Abut smb:// aware tools
Hi, I really wonder about this discussion. This tool can do it, that tool can do it, the other one, too. WTF? Just mount the damn share and _EVERY_ tool can access it. So what? Bye... Dirk
[gentoo-user] Re: Abut smb:// aware tools
On 10/03/2009 08:27 AM, Harry Putnam wrote: ... It takes only creating shares to offer thru samba, for cygwin bash to be able to navigate them with cd //host/share. No mounting, or if there is, I didn't have to specifically configure it. Smb is native to windows... so maybe that is the reason. Right. Windows does indeed mount filesystems but does it without asking you, much like linux mounts /root without asking. So, I'm thinking you might be very interested in trying Paul's suggested 'mc', which has its own built-in command line of sorts, although it's not actually a full bash prompt IIUC. Depend on what you need to do while visiting a share, it might be perfect for your purpose. (See Paul's reply.)
Re: [gentoo-user] Abut smb:// aware tools
Am Freitag 02 Oktober 2009 22:56:31 schrieb Harry Putnam: I'd really like to be able to use UNK addressing from the cmd line. cd //host/share BTW: Is the share served by a Windows or Linux machine and what OS is the client? If it's Linux only, you'd better be using NFS. Bye... Dirk
[gentoo-user] sys-libs/db dev-lang/php dependency problem...
Hi, I updated my server and came accros of this problem: # emerge --depclean ... Calculating dependencies... done! Checking for lib consumers... Assigning files to packages... * In order to avoid breakage of link level dependencies, one or more * packages will not be removed. This can be solved by rebuilding the * packages that pulled them in. * * sys-libs/db-4.6.21_p4 pulled in by: * dev-lang/php-5.2.10 * Adding lib providers to graph... \ Calculating dependencies... done! No packages selected for removal by depclean To see reverse dependencies, use --verbose revdep-rebuild, did not fix it. Then I tried emerge --oneshot dev-lang/php (once in the past I had such a problem and this helped) and after that I repeated emerge --depclean, again with the same output-message. I repeated it a few times, still the same. So what can I do more to fix it? Jarry -- ___ This mailbox accepts e-mails only from selected mailing-lists! Everything else is considered to be spam and therefore deleted.
Re: [gentoo-user] about layman and eix search
On Oct 3, 2009, at 10:07 AM, hp_sebastian wrote: On Sat, 03 Oct 2009 09:42:42 -0500 Harry Putnam rea...@newsguy.com wrote: How to make eix search an overlay too. The manpage for layman says: You can search through the ebuilds available in the overlays on http://overlays.gentoo.org by using eix. Emerge the package and run update-eix-remote update. But I find no such option in eix or eix --help|grep update or 'man eix' although I do find eix-remote and eix-layman. eix-update adds overlays to the eix-database. If you use eix-sync instead of emerge --sync, you don't have to run eix-update afterwards. [...] update-eix-remote is an executable, not an option to the eix executable. After running update-eix-remote your normal eix queries will include overlays. HTH, Roy
[gentoo-user] Re: *WARNING* updating Xorg
daid kahl wrote: 2. The second guide uses a lot of one-shot emerges; could anyone please explain why I'd use a one-shot? ISTM that if a package is on my system, I'd want it routinely updated. If I need it only once, then instruct me to unmerge it after it's done!? The basic idea of --oneshot is to avoid recording in the portage world file. So, for example, you want xorg and some other things in world. This will call in the dependencies. However, for major upgrades, my experience with other packages is that sometimes it's better to pull some new dependencies in first, then install the update. In principle, portage should take care of all this, but portage isn't always perfect. I'd guess this is the reason for --oneshot on some new xorg dependencies. They'll be called in on updates via dependencies, but this is a better way to proceed for updating from a lower version. Maybe on a newer version of xorg, these dependencies won't be required (unlikely, but possible), and thus you can avoid putting them explicitly in world. ~daid Makes sense... thanks!
[gentoo-user] Re: Abut smb:// aware tools
Dirk Heinrichs dirk.heinri...@online.de writes: Hmm, Not commonly used, don't know. First versions of autofs date back to April 97, amd is much older, I think. So no, automounting is NOT new in Linux, it's there for over a decade now. At nearly 70, I can call a decade `fairly recent'. I have to beg to differ here... I don't mean your statements about when it appeared... Linux is much older than 1997... and as I said I started a little before that... At that time there were not many users at all not to mention users using automounting. I'd hazard a guess that total users was not much over 150,000 or so... just an idle guess though. The newbies like me were definitely not using it linux then took much more config than it does today... even on gentoo today. You could easily spend 2 or more wks getting X up... or even getting it to boot. Building your own kernel was well out of the grasp of newbies at that time. So in that atmosphere... its not true that automount was in common use.
[gentoo-user] Re: Abut smb:// aware tools
Dirk Heinrichs dirk.heinri...@online.de writes: Hi, I really wonder about this discussion. This tool can do it, that tool can do it, the other one, too. WTF? No problem, don't read it. Just mount the damn share and _EVERY_ tool can access it. So what? Settle down bub... you're not in a barroom here. Ease up.
[gentoo-user] Re: Abut smb:// aware tools
Dirk Heinrichs dirk.heinri...@online.de writes: Am Samstag 03 Oktober 2009 17:31:28 schrieb Harry Putnam: `eix midnight' fails as does `eix commander' Does it have a different name in portage? No, it has the same name as everywhere: mc ;-) Dirk, Your wisacre additions are really starting to wear on me. Have you been on a binge or something... and need a few days rest. If it had the same name everywhere... Paul Hartman wouldn't have called it `Midnight Commander' would he. So it has at least 2 names Jesus bud, lighten up or quit the thread, if it getting to be too much for you.
[gentoo-user] Re: about layman and eix search
Roy Wright r...@wright.org writes: update-eix-remote is an executable, not an option to the eix executable. After running update-eix-remote your normal eix queries will include overlays. Ha.. no wonder I didn't find it. However its not a part of the eix package nor is it visible on portage. At least equery files eix|grep remote fails to show it and `eix eix-remote' fails as well.
Re: [gentoo-user] Anyone using sys-devel/gcc-4.4.1
Stroller wrote: On 1 Oct 2009, at 06:38, Dale wrote: Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: ... gcc-porting helped tho Thanks. What exactly is gcc-porting? Well, duh! It's where you enlarge polish the compiler's intake valves, to improve airflow. Stroller. Do you have to add larger jets to your proprocessor as well? kashani, moto geeks unite!
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: about layman and eix search
On Saturday 03 October 2009 20:20:47 Harry Putnam wrote: Roy Wright r...@wright.org writes: update-eix-remote is an executable, not an option to the eix executable. After running update-eix-remote your normal eix queries will include overlays. Ha.. no wonder I didn't find it. However its not a part of the eix package nor is it visible on portage. At least equery files eix|grep remote fails to show it and `eix eix-remote' fails as well. Those files changed names in recent versions of eix. There is no more update- eix-remote. It's all in the ChangeLog. -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
Re: [gentoo-user] Anyone using sys-devel/gcc-4.4.1
On Samstag 03 Oktober 2009, kashani wrote: Stroller wrote: On 1 Oct 2009, at 06:38, Dale wrote: Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: ... gcc-porting helped tho Thanks. What exactly is gcc-porting? Well, duh! It's where you enlarge polish the compiler's intake valves, to improve airflow. Stroller. Do you have to add larger jets to your proprocessor as well? kashani, moto geeks unite! don't forget the exhaust profile!
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Abut smb:// aware tools
Am Samstag 03 Oktober 2009 20:10:30 schrieb Harry Putnam: Dirk Heinrichs dirk.heinri...@online.de writes: Hmm, Not commonly used, don't know. First versions of autofs date back to April 97, amd is much older, I think. So no, automounting is NOT new in Linux, it's there for over a decade now. At nearly 70, I can call a decade `fairly recent'. I have to beg to differ here... I don't mean your statements about when it appeared... Linux is much older than 1997... and as I said I started a little before that... At that time there were not many users at all not to mention users using automounting. I'd hazard a guess that total users was not much over 150,000 or so... just an idle guess though. I wouldn't even dare to guess :) The newbies like me were definitely not using it linux then took much more config than it does today... even on gentoo today. You could easily spend 2 or more wks getting X up... or even getting it to boot. Yeah, I know. I started with Linux roughly one or two years before you did. Building your own kernel was well out of the grasp of newbies at that time. Then there must have been two types of newbies ;) So in that atmosphere... its not true that automount was in common use. As I wrote I don't know. I used it, but again I wouldn't dare to guess how many others did. Bye... Dirk
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Abut smb:// aware tools
Am Samstag 03 Oktober 2009 20:16:48 schrieb Harry Putnam: No, it has the same name as everywhere: mc ;-) Dirk, Your wisacre additions are really starting to wear on me. Have you been on a binge or something... and need a few days rest. 1) You've seen the smiley? 2) You got the package name, didn't you? Bye... Dirk
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Abut smb:// aware tools
Am Samstag 03 Oktober 2009 20:14:16 schrieb Harry Putnam: Dirk Heinrichs dirk.heinri...@online.de writes: I really wonder about this discussion. This tool can do it, that tool can do it, the other one, too. WTF? No problem, don't read it. That's really hard to do :) Bye... Dirk
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Abut smb:// aware tools
On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 10:31 AM, walt w41...@gmail.com wrote: On 10/03/2009 05:55 AM, Paul Hartman wrote: On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 3:56 PM, Harry Putnamrea...@newsguy.com wrote: Do we have tools other than Konqueror that are aware of smb/UNK addressing? Before you answer please note that: I know about ssh I know about fuse I know about mount -tcifs I'd really like to be able to use UNK addressing from the cmd line. cd //host/share I don't now how many of you have noticed but bash shell from cygwin on windows has that capability built in. Or maybe it comes from windows env. You can do `cd //linux-host/share' in a bash terminal If command line smb/UNK is not on without lots of diddling around, what about some file managing tool that does it like Konqueror does. Emacs is said to be able to do this using tramp but I haven't ever gotten it to work. Konqueror can do it... but I don't run kde, and don't really want to fiddle with it in that direction. Midnight Commander can do it. Nifty, I didn't know that. Amazing what mc can do. Couple of points that are not obvious in case Harry wants to try mc: it needs to be compiled with the samba USE flag set; and you access your samba shares using the Right or Left dropdown menus at the top of the mc window. This function of mc (being an old app) I'm guessing is what inspired the similar functions in konqueror and nautilus, but I'm not sure about the order of events. Thanks for the tip. You can also use mc's special notation for connecting from the shell prompt inside the program. I highly recommend RTFM since I don't know how to do it specifically and only tried it once a long time ago, so this may be completely wrong. :) But from memory it was _something_ similar to this: cd /#smb:hostname/share You can also connect to things like FTP and fish (ssh/scp) with similar notation from within mc. Check for mc's VFS in the docs or google to see the actual instructions.
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Abut smb:// aware tools
On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 10:31 AM, Harry Putnam rea...@newsguy.com wrote:
Paul Hartman paul.hartman+gen...@gmail.com writes:
Emacs is said to be able to do this using tramp but I haven't ever
gotten it to work.
Konqueror can do it... but I don't run kde, and don't really want to
fiddle with it in that direction.
Midnight Commander can do it.
Haa, there is an old time tool... what do I need to use in `eix' to
find it.
`eix midnight' fails as does `eix commander'
Does it have a different name in portage?
I did find a vimcommander... maybe that will have the functionality
too, since it says it has a commander style interface.
It's tricky since the program name is Midnight Commander but the
package executable name is mc. You can use the -S switch for eix
to make it search descriptions as well as the package name when
something's pkgname is not obvious. For example:
$ eix -S midnight.commander
[I] app-misc/mc
Available versions: 4.6.1-r4 4.7.0_pre1 (~)4.7.0_pre2
(~)4.7.0_pre2-r1 {7zip X chdir +edit gpm ncurses nls samba (+)slang
unicode}
Installed versions: 4.7.0_pre2-r1(12:24:04 AM 09/06/2009)(X edit
gpm nls samba slang -chdir)
Homepage:http://www.midnight-commander.org
Description: GNU Midnight Commander is a text based file manager
:)
Re: [gentoo-user] Double nautilus windows for each USB flash drive plugged in
On 3 Oct 2009, at 15:30, daid kahl wrote: ... Another useful notion is to use udev to automount flash drives (or external usb harddrives) to a specified location based on serial number. ... I can either give an overview or dig up the url if anyone likes. I'd have assumed you simple used any of the usual automount drives with udev guides. Am I wrong? This is the way I have always intended to approach this problem, so I'd be grateful to be corrected in advance if there's a better way. Cheers, Stroller.
Re: [gentoo-user] about layman and eix search
On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 9:42 AM, Harry Putnam rea...@newsguy.com wrote: How to make eix search an overlay too. The manpage for layman says: You can search through the ebuilds available in the overlays on http://overlays.gentoo.org by using eix. Emerge the package and run update-eix-remote update. But I find no such option in eix or eix --help|grep update or 'man eix' although I do find eix-remote and eix-layman. But not at all clear if either of those can cause eix to search overlays. I don't see any likely use flags to change either at: emerge -vp eix: [ebuild R ] app-portage/eix-0.18.0 USE=bzip2 nls -deprecated -doc -sqlite -tools 0 kB It must be common task for people using overlays... so anyone know how its done. Hi, Create the file /etc/eix-sync.conf with this one character in it: * Then you can simply run eix-sync to automatically sync your overlays, main portage tree, and update the EIX cache. Afterward it will show you what is new or has changed. No need to run layman -S or emerge --sync ever again. :) Also, if you have any overlays that don't include metadata, you can add lines like this beneath the asterisk in eix-sync.conf to make it generate cache for them: !egencache --repo=theoverlayname --update At least that's how I do it.
[gentoo-user] Re: Abut smb:// aware tools
walt w41...@gmail.com writes: [...] Nifty, I didn't know that. Amazing what mc can do. Couple of points that are not obvious in case Harry wants to try mc: it needs to be compiled with the samba USE flag set; and you access your samba shares using the Right or Left dropdown menus at the top of the mc window. Thanks... I never liked mc even in the old days... always preferring the cmd line or emacs, But that aside yes it does work. And just for your own info you can cd around direct from the cmd line too... just need the right syntax... and get prompted for a passwd. (cd /#smb:host/share) But the interface is so far removed from a common shell prompt and seems really crippled by comparison, that it would take more than a little diddling around to get some real use out of it. Appears not to have cmd memory or readline type history at the cmd prompt... at least not by default or with some reasonable key press. Also it appears not to be able to execute commands on non-local fs. After cd'ing into a remote machine and being prompted for passwd... if I type `ls' enter it brings up a red error saying Error! Cannot execute commands on non-local filesystems. Maybe all this can be configured away I don't think I want to mess with it really... but yes it does have the capability.
Re: [gentoo-user] strace + SUID program
On 3 Oct 2009, at 16:41, Helmut Jarausch wrote: ... I'm still struggling with a permission problem with fcrontab. On (only) one of two identical (I believe so) machines, fcrontab -e (as non-root user) gives Could not change egid to fcron[449]: Operation not permitted Could you post the output of `ls -ld /var/spool/fcron` for us, please? TYIA, Stroller.
Re: [gentoo-user] KDE 4 bugs update
On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 10:27 PM, Philip Webb purs...@ca.inter.net wrote: 090929 Paul Hartman wrote: On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 2:04 AM, Philip Webb purs...@ca.inter.net wrote: The one exception is Konsole, which is a shadow of 3.5.10 , According to changelog the KDE4 version of Konsole has added : Quick reactions, further advice welcome : automatic tab titles (shows current directory) -- trivial split screen mode -- yes, mb useful, but similar to tabs performance increase on scrolling large terminals -- don't need it better profile set-up dialogs -- yes, but they still don't work properly runs all Konsole sessions from a single process -- useful for what ? can use personalized profile in embedded Konsoles -- don't need it easy SSH session bookmarking -- can't find it much improved search -- no sign of it (present in 3.5.10) real transparency -- don't need it new themes -- don't need them (I use Fluxbox) open your GUI file manager in the current directory -- trivial mouse-wheel scrolls pgms that don't naturally support it (eg Less) -- yes So yes, a couple of small items I mt use occasionally. What's missing from the 3.x series ? A much longer list of schemas, start root console, search (see above), set window geometry (inside Konsole or when starting it: see my bug list). I am hopeful the KDE devs will restore more with 4.4.1 4.5.1 , but it hasn't happened yet. Hi, Points well taken; I don't use the features you're missing and honestly I don't use most of the new ones either. :) Open Browser Here is the most useful one to me (it even works in Midnight Commander relative to which pane is currently active). In re-reading my previous message to you in this thread I hope it didn't seem confrontational to you, or if it led people to pile on, that was not my intention at all. I was simply curious what was missing since the few features I use seemed to have gone unchanged or been improved. So my apologies in case you took it that way. Often I'll write short, direct e-mails on these lists while I'm on a phone call or doing other things and sometimes lack the forethought or communication skills necessary to convey the almost-certainly-always-good-spirited nature of my question. :) Thanks Paul
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: preferred editor
On Saturday 03 October 2009, daid kahl wrote: From this basic stand-point, I haven't found anything vi can do that emacs can't and vice-versa. But I just started forcing myself to use my editor of choice for everything, and then finding work-arounds (for example, in vi :set paste when you want to paste stuff from the main buffer (a la shift+insert in Konsole) without retarded indentation) and keeping a small notebook for the vi commands I learned. I was using this sooo much that I entered it in .vimrc like so: set pastetoggle=F11 and then hit F11 whenever I want to paste something before I press Insert to edit a file. -- Regards, Mick signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Abut smb:// aware tools
Harry Putnam wrote: Dirk Heinrichs dirk.heinri...@online.de writes: Hmm, Not commonly used, don't know. First versions of autofs date back to April 97, amd is much older, I think. So no, automounting is NOT new in Linux, it's there for over a decade now. At nearly 70, I can call a decade `fairly recent'. Quite honestly, your age is irrelevant in this context. Linux is much older than 1997... Not at all. Linus made his first announcement in August 1991. The first files appeared on the Internet in September 1991. It wasn't an operating system at that point. The newbies like me were definitely not using it linux then took much more config than it does today... even on gentoo today. You could easily spend 2 or more wks getting X up... or even getting it to boot. Hmm. Most of the people who used (actually, played with because it wasn't a usable operating system until much later) Linux in the early days came from Minix. Remember that? Newbies to Linux were not newbies to computers and operating systems. Far from it, most were pretty adept DOS hackers. Building your own kernel was well out of the grasp of newbies at that time. Definitely not. So in that atmosphere... its not true that automount was in common use. You seem to have entirely forgotten what Linux actually was in the 1990s. It was actually a hacker's paradise. There were NO newbies in the sense of people who were new to computers using Linux. The very nature of Linux users in those days was that they were experimental, had some (if not considerable) knowledge and were keen to try any new gizmo that came along and, if there wasn't one, develop their own. Indeed, that's exactly how and why Linux is where it is now. FWIW, I have been involved with computers one way or another since 1969 (a few months before Man set foot upon the moon). Be lucky, Neil http://www.neiljw.com
[gentoo-user] Re: about layman and eix search
Paul Hartman paul.hartman+gen...@gmail.com writes: [...] It must be common task for people using overlays... so anyone know how its done. Hi, Create the file /etc/eix-sync.conf with this one character in it: * Then you can simply run eix-sync to automatically sync your overlays, main portage tree, and update the EIX cache. Afterward it will show you what is new or has changed. No need to run layman -S or emerge --sync ever again. :) Also, if you have any overlays that don't include metadata, you can add lines like this beneath the asterisk in eix-sync.conf to make it generate cache for them: !egencache --repo=theoverlayname --update At least that's how I do it. Nice... I do use eix-sync for a good while now... but had not synced since installing layman... and found the out of date directions posted earlier. ... I didn't realize eix-sync would synchronize overlays too... I've never had an overlay before. ... I'm setting up `sunshine' now thanks.
Re: [gentoo-user] Double nautilus windows for each USB flash drive plugged in
...
Another useful notion is to use udev to automount flash drives (or
external usb harddrives) to a specified location based on serial number.
... I can either give an overview or dig up the url if anyone likes.
I'd have assumed you simple used any of the usual automount drives with
udev guides. Am I wrong?
This is the way I have always intended to approach this problem, so I'd be
grateful to be corrected in advance if there's a better way.
That's correct, except not all of these guides discuss the drive serial
number. If you want to ensure that different drives are mounted at
different points, you have to rely on the device serial (since the /dev
nodes are filled in order of the device connection, regardless of which
drive it is).
There are plenty of guides that mention how to find the serial number and
how to write the correct udev rules, but most the guides are outdated and
suggest use of the symlink udevinfo, which was removed upstream recently.
So, to get a device's serial number, for example (replace /dev/sdb with the
correct node) :
# udevadm info -a -p $(udevadm info -q path -n /dev/sdb) | grep
ATTRS{serial}
and use the (first) serial that doesn't have colons and periods. Then for
the udev rule you just need to include ATTRS{serial}== 00
This is also useful when you have external harddrives that use ext3
formatting and flashdrives that don't.
~daid
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Abut smb:// aware tools
Harry Putnam wrote: If it had the same name everywhere... Paul Hartman wouldn't have called it `Midnight Commander' would he. So it has at least 2 names Jesus bud, lighten up or quit the thread, if it getting to be too much for you. It has one name - Midnight Commander - BUT is know just about everywhere by the abbreviation mc. If you want it in ANY distribution, you look for mc. I think you are the one who needs a rest - especially as you are totally blind to smilies. :P Be lucky, Neil http://www.neiljw.com
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: about layman and eix search
On Oct 3, 2009, at 1:34 PM, Alan McKinnon wrote: On Saturday 03 October 2009 20:20:47 Harry Putnam wrote: Roy Wright r...@wright.org writes: update-eix-remote is an executable, not an option to the eix executable. After running update-eix-remote your normal eix queries will include overlays. Ha.. no wonder I didn't find it. However its not a part of the eix package nor is it visible on portage. At least equery files eix|grep remote fails to show it and `eix eix-remote' fails as well. Those files changed names in recent versions of eix. There is no more update- eix-remote. It's all in the ChangeLog. The old update-eix-remote would index all available overlays which made it real handy for finding which overlay you needed. The new eix- remote seems to only index the overlays you have installed. Am I missing something? Also I keep getting this error message, even after explicitly running eix-update: # eix-remote update * Fetching eix-caches.tbz2 --2009-10-03 14:13:07-- http://dev.gentooexperimental.org/eix_cache/eix-caches.tbz2 Resolving dev.gentooexperimental.org... 81.93.240.53 Connecting to dev.gentooexperimental.org|81.93.240.53|:80... connected. HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 200 OK Length: 46 [application/octet-stream] Saving to: `eix-caches.tbz2' 100% [= = = ] 46 --.-K/s in 0s 2009-10-03 14:13:07 (10.7 MB/s) - `eix-caches.tbz2' saved [46/46] * Unpacking data Can't open the database file /tmp/eix-remote.5zs73hch/1/* for reading (mode = 'rb') Did you forget to create it with 'eix-update'? * is broken * Calling eix-update ... TIA, Roy
[gentoo-user] Strange KDE .txt CUPS Settings
Hello all, I witnessed some unexpected printing behavior recently. I can't really understand why these results happen, but I solved my specific problems. I'm running KDE 3.5.10, so this might not apply to 4.x (though I'd be interested if someone could test it!). I usually use a2ps to print things, since for most text files and graphics I prefer the smaller size. At some point, I must have changed the printer configuration in KEdit to Landscape, and this confused a2ps about the orientation of the page for text file printing. After killing probably half a tropical rainforest and rebuilding many packages, I saved the configuration change in KEdit printing to Portrait, and then everything was just fine. These results are also applied even on a console-login and a2ps, although the KEdit print settings are at least user-specific. Is it really correct for a program like KEdit to have control over *all* text file printer settings? (I know it's just text file settings because a2ps was working fine for other file formats.) What configuration files is it actually changing? Regards, daid
Re: [gentoo-user] Double nautilus windows for each USB flash drive plugged in
On 3 Oct 2009, at 20:11, daid kahl wrote:
...
Another useful notion is to use udev to automount flash drives (or
external usb harddrives) to a specified location based on serial
number. ... I can either give an overview or dig up the url if
anyone likes.
I'd have assumed you simple used any of the usual automount drives
with udev guides. Am I wrong?
This is the way I have always intended to approach this problem, so
I'd be grateful to be corrected in advance if there's a better way.
That's correct, except not all of these guides discuss the drive
serial number. If you want to ensure that different drives are
mounted at different points, you have to rely on the device serial
(since the /dev nodes are filled in order of the device connection,
regardless of which drive it is).
There are plenty of guides that mention how to find the serial
number and how to write the correct udev rules, but most the guides
are outdated and suggest use of the symlink udevinfo, which was
removed upstream recently. So, to get a device's serial number, for
example (replace /dev/sdb with the correct node) :
# udevadm info -a -p $(udevadm info -q path -n /dev/sdb) | grep
ATTRS{serial}
and use the (first) serial that doesn't have colons and periods.
Then for the udev rule you just need to include ATTRS{serial}==
00
This is also useful when you have external harddrives that use ext3
formatting and flashdrives that don't.
Ops... I omitted a paste - I went to a terminal to check the
details and then appear to have completely forgotten to include them.
Thus my question is misphrased incomplete.
I intended to ask:
I'd have assumed you simple used any of the usual automount
drives with udev guides, but based their entry in /dev/disk/by-
uuid/. Am I wrong?
How do you find the serial, please? I'm guessing from `dmesg`?
I think the entry in /dev/disk/by-uuid/ may change if you reformat
the drive, so your response is most helpful.
Thank you for your help,
Stroller.
[gentoo-user] Re: Abut smb:// aware tools
Neil Walker n...@ep.mine.nu writes: Linux is much older than 1997... Not at all. [...] I really meant unix... where most of linux cmds and base tools comes from. But as people do unix/linux is often thought of as one kind of thing. [...] Hmm. Most of the people who used (actually, played with because it wasn't a usable operating system until much later) Linux in the early days came from Minix. Remember that? Newbies to Linux were not newbies to computers and operating systems. Far from it, most were pretty adept DOS hackers. [...] You seem to have entirely forgotten what Linux actually was in the 1990s. It was actually a hacker's paradise. There were NO newbies in the sense of people who were new to computers using Linux. The very nature of Linux users in those days was that they were experimental, had some (if not considerable) knowledge and were keen to try any new gizmo that came along and, if there wasn't one, develop their own. Indeed, that's exactly how and why Linux is where it is now. No I didn't forget... I knew nothing whatever about a computer in the 90s you are talking about. My only knowledge of a computer came from things like seeing the girl at the unemployment office bring up my records. And not even all unemployment offices had computers yet. My first encounter with a computer or home computing started in 1996. Right from scratch. I think you've got this a little back assward.. lots of commentary with `quite honestly, `definitely not' and other sorts of comments indicating a deep knowledge are a bunch of hooey. You may remember some things... but you do not have a good picture of what the lower echelons was like. That hardcore of experimenters that are the folks who really put linux on the map was growing rapidly.. Just as the new user base was. In the yrs I mentioned (96 upward) newbies were flocking to linux. Some old timers complained about it bitterly on linux News/Mail groups. How the linux network was getting watered down with a bunch of numbskulls and etc. FWIW, I have been involved with computers one way or another since 1969 (a few months before Man set foot upon the moon). Then you would have had quite a different view of the lower levels of the linux movement. And it was a movement then... Yes there were a hard core of quite adept hackers... many of them were very willing to offer help to newcomers back then. All the main mail groups or newsgroups had a cadre of true experts... much like today. That core of experienced grew quickly too. There were lots of meetings around the country of the `lugs' where newer people brought machines and more experienced users helped them get an OS on it and running. You don't hear that anymore, the OSs are much easier to install and configure. One guy from Alaska... whos name I have forgotten... took me in hand for several wks... walked me thru lots of stuff off the lists. and even by phone with me in California, It's really a shame I've forgotten his name... kind of embarrassing, because he spent a good bit of time coaching me for a while. But the influx was already growing quickly as can be seen from the huge user base that happened in those 10-12 yrs. So at least from 96 on your picture ain't cutting it. I'd guess the user base expanded several hundred percent from say 95 to 2005. To say there weren't linux newbies is silly. Not to mention wrong.
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Abut smb:// aware tools
Am Samstag 03 Oktober 2009 20:59:50 schrieb Harry Putnam: I never liked mc even in the old days... So you actually knew mc before? (cd /#smb:host/share) Again, another tool, another syntax. Once you simply mount the share, the path will be the same no matter what tool you use to browse it. So why not do the simple thing? Bye... Dirk
[gentoo-user] PostgreSQL server blocker
Hi there,
For the longest time I've had PostgreSQL server installed on one of my
systems. I update world every month or two and today `emerge -upv
world` shows this blocker:
...
[ebuild U ] app-admin/sudo-1.7.2_p1 [1.7.1-r1] USE=offensive pam -
ldap (-selinux) -skey 753 kB
[ebuild N] app-emacs/emacs-common-gentoo-1.2 USE=-X -
emacs22icons 46 kB
[ebuild NS ] app-editors/emacs-23.1 [22.3] USE=gif jpeg png tiff
xpm -X -Xaw3d -alsa -dbus -gpm -gtk -gzip-el -hesiod -kerberos -m17n-
lib -motif -sound -source -svg -toolkit-scroll-bars -xft 33,577 kB
[ebuild U ] virtual/emacs-23 [22] 0 kB
[ebuild N] app-admin/eselect-postgresql-0.3 3 kB
[ebuild N] dev-db/postgresql-base-8.1.11 USE=doc nls pam
readline ssl zlib -kerberos -pg-intdatetime -threads LINGUAS=-af -cs
-de -es -fa -fr -hr -hu -it -ko -nb -pl -pt_BR -ro -ru -sk -sl -sv -tr
-zh_CN -zh_TW 0 kB
[uninstall] dev-db/libpq-8.1.11 USE=nls pam readline ssl zlib -
kerberos -pg-intdatetime -threads
[blocks b ] dev-db/libpq (dev-db/libpq is blocking dev-db/
postgresql-base-8.1.11)
[blocks b ] dev-db/libpq (dev-db/libpq is blocking app-admin/
eselect-postgresql-0.3)
[blocks b ] dev-db/postgresql-base (dev-db/postgresql-base is
blocking dev-db/libpq-8.1.11)
[ebuild NS ] virtual/postgresql-base-8.1 [8.0] 0 kB
[ebuild U ] dev-perl/DBD-Pg-2.15.1 [1.49] 216 kB
[blocks B ] dev-db/postgresql (dev-db/postgresql is blocking dev-
db/postgresql-base-8.1.11)
Total: 36 packages (26 upgrades, 5 new, 5 in new slots, 1 uninstall),
Size of downloads: 116,469 kB
Conflict: 4 blocks (1 unsatisfied)
* Error: The above package list contains packages which cannot be
* installed at the same time on the same system.
('ebuild', '/', 'dev-db/postgresql-base-8.1.11', 'merge') pulled in
by
dev-db/postgresql-base:8.1 required by ('ebuild', '/', 'dev-perl/
DBD-Pg-2.15.1', 'merge')
dev-db/postgresql-base:8.1 required by ('ebuild', '/', 'virtual/
postgresql-base-8.1', 'merge')
('installed', '/', 'dev-db/postgresql-8.1.11', 'nomerge') pulled in
by
dev-db/postgresql required by world
For more information about Blocked Packages, please refer to the
following
section of the Gentoo Linux x86 Handbook (architecture is irrelevant):
http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/handbook/handbook-x86.xml?full=1#blocked
!!! The following installed packages are masked:
- dev-db/postgresql-8.1.11 (masked by: package.mask)
/usr/portage/profiles/package.mask:
# Patrick Lauer patr...@gentoo.org (03 Oct 2009)
# Mask unsupported and obsolete postgres packages
# Use postgresql-server (or postgresql-base) instead
For more information, see the MASKED PACKAGES section in the emerge
man page or refer to the Gentoo Handbook.
$
Is anyone else seeing this, please?
It looks like I need to unmerge dev-db/postgresql (I'm currently
running 8.1.11) and emerge dev-db/postgresql-server, instead.
But I'm running x86 (NOT ~x86), and all versions of postgresql-server
are marked with a ~.
I'm guessing from the date on Mr Lauer's masking above that if I sync
in a day's time then my major version (at least) of postgresql-server
will be marked as stable, however I'm extremely wary because my long
update period has ensured that I've never before seen a blocker which
has not already been discussed on this list.
I would be grateful for any thoughts or comments,
Stroller.
Re: [gentoo-user] strace + SUID program
On 3 Oct, Stroller wrote: On 3 Oct 2009, at 16:41, Helmut Jarausch wrote: ... I'm still struggling with a permission problem with fcrontab. On (only) one of two identical (I believe so) machines, fcrontab -e (as non-root user) gives Could not change egid to fcron[449]: Operation not permitted Could you post the output of `ls -ld /var/spool/fcron` for us, please? drwsrws--- 2 fcron fcron 4096 2009-10-03 17:57 /var/spool/fcron Thanks, Helmut. -- Helmut Jarausch Lehrstuhl fuer Numerische Mathematik RWTH - Aachen University D 52056 Aachen, Germany
[gentoo-user] OT: Linux as a first platform? Was: Abut smb:// aware tools
In separate posts, Harry Putnam wrote: I started my computer life on linux 1996.. only moved to windows for some things when editing video (I like the adobe tools... and linux just doesn't have anything remotely comparable.) ... I knew nothing whatever about a computer in the 90s you are talking about. My only knowledge of a computer came from things like seeing the girl at the unemployment office bring up my records. And not even all unemployment offices had computers yet. My first encounter with a computer or home computing started in 1996. Right from scratch. Hi there, Out of curiosity, why did you choose Linux as your first platform? I ask this not to criticise, or anything, but I'm just really curious how you heard of it. My family had a BBC Micro as a home computer when I was a kid and then later (but still late 1980s) a 286 or so running DOS, but I returned to computing at around the same time, 1996. Someone gave me an old PC which I got running and I then did my first self-build of a c 150mhz Pentium-class system. At that time it seemed obvious to me to install Windows 95. I had used Windows 3.1 at the mother-in-law's on a handful of occasions, and seen it in other people's offices. Win95 had been released with fanfare the previous year. I can only guess that you had some previous background in electronics, because I did not learn of Linux until c 2000 (although I was inactive in computing for a couple of years 1998 - 1999). Until then (pretty much) as far as I was concerned, all PCs run DOS or Windows. Could you possibly explain what led to to choose Linux as your first platform? I would love to hear from anyone else who has managed to completely skip the mainstream o/s (by which I mean Windows and Mac). Cheers, Stroller.
[gentoo-user] About layman... and the color output
New to layman but after at least a semi-careful look thru man layman I don't find anything explaining what the different color asterisks mean. I didn't read every word but scanned the whole thing twice and did a few searchs like /color and /output But those didn't do much good. Anyone know what red/green/yellow signify... level of caution?
[gentoo-user] Re: strace + SUID program
On 10/03/2009 02:03 PM, Helmut Jarausch wrote:
On 3 Oct, Stroller wrote:
On 3 Oct 2009, at 16:41, Helmut Jarausch wrote:
...
I'm still struggling with a permission problem with fcrontab.
On (only) one of two identical (I believe so) machines,
fcrontab -e (as non-root user) gives
Could not change egid to fcron[449]: Operation not permitted
Could you post the output of `ls -ld /var/spool/fcron` for us, please?
drwsrws--- 2 fcron fcron 4096 2009-10-03 17:57 /var/spool/fcron
And that is the same as the other machine, right?
I know nothing about fcron, but I recall agonizing over the choice
of crons the first time I installed gentoo. I'm curious why you
picked fcron over the many alternative crons.
BTW, noticed the fcron ebuild says:
ewarn fcron usage can now only be restricted by adding users
ewarn to the following files instead of to the group 'cron':
ewarn
ewarn${ROOT}etc/fcron/fcron.allow
ewarn${ROOT}etc/fcron/fcron.deny
Are those files the same on both machines?
[gentoo-user] Re: PostgreSQL server blocker
On 10/03/2009 01:59 PM, Stroller wrote:
Hi there,
For the longest time I've had PostgreSQL server installed on one of my
systems. I update world every month or two and today `emerge -upv world`
shows this blocker:
...
('ebuild', '/', 'dev-db/postgresql-base-8.1.11', 'merge') pulled in by
...
# Use postgresql-server (or postgresql-base) instead
...
It looks like I need to unmerge dev-db/postgresql (I'm currently running
8.1.11) and emerge dev-db/postgresql-server, instead.
If I'm reading those delightful blocker messages correctly, it looks like
you need postgresql-base rather than postgresql-server.
Fortunately, there is exactly one unmasked version of postqresl-base for
x86, i.e. 8.1.11. Looks like postgresql is a difficult package to maintain,
judging by the number of ebuilds that are masked.
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: strace + SUID program
On 3 Oct 2009, at 22:59, walt wrote: On 10/03/2009 02:03 PM, Helmut Jarausch wrote: On 3 Oct, Stroller wrote: On 3 Oct 2009, at 16:41, Helmut Jarausch wrote: ... I'm still struggling with a permission problem with fcrontab. On (only) one of two identical (I believe so) machines, fcrontab -e (as non-root user) gives Could not change egid to fcron[449]: Operation not permitted Could you post the output of `ls -ld /var/spool/fcron` for us, please? drwsrws--- 2 fcron fcron 4096 2009-10-03 17:57 /var/spool/fcron And that is the same as the other machine, right? ... Sorry... I asked that because incorrect permissions on this directory were (I think) the cause of the fcron problems posted in a different thread a couple of days ago. But I had not read Helmut's post properly - he had already covered this matter in the statements of his original post. Sorry to have wasted your time, Helmut. Stroller.
[gentoo-user] Re: OT: Linux as a first platform? Was: Abut smb:// aware tools
Stroller strol...@stellar.eclipse.co.uk writes: In separate posts, Harry Putnam wrote: I started my computer life on linux 1996.. only moved to windows for some things when editing video (I like the adobe tools... and linux just doesn't have anything remotely comparable.) ... I knew nothing whatever about a computer in the 90s you are talking about. My only knowledge of a computer came from things like seeing the girl at the unemployment office bring up my records. And not even all unemployment offices had computers yet. My first encounter with a computer or home computing started in 1996. Right from scratch. Hi there, Out of curiosity, why did you choose Linux as your first platform? [...] My family had a BBC Micro as a home computer when I was a kid and then later (but still late 1980s) a 286 or so running DOS, but I returned to computing at around the same time, 1996. Someone gave me an old PC which I got running and I then did my first self-build of a c 150mhz Pentium-class system. At that time it seemed obvious to me to install Windows 95. I had used Windows 3.1 at the mother-in-law's on a handful of occasions, and seen it in other people's offices. Win95 had been released with fanfare the previous year. Quite an interesting story. I can only guess that you had some previous background in electronics, because I did not learn of Linux until c 2000 (although I was inactive in computing for a couple of years 1998 - 1999). Until then (pretty much) as far as I was concerned, all PCs run DOS or Windows. Could you possibly explain what led to to choose Linux as your first platform? I would love to hear from anyone else who has managed to completely skip the mainstream o/s (by which I mean Windows and Mac). Sure... nothing more inviting to a windbag than a request to talk about himself... My background may be a bit different from most computer oriented people. I was born in Wyoming. Way out in the boonies. Things there were backward even for the times. We had no Electricity or running water. Left there at age 7. Later after our family had moved first to Las Vegas and then to California. I became a helper in a big shipyard in San Diego. My dad worked there and helped me get the job... I was 17. I learned the trade of welding... which carried me pretty much the rest of my life. I quit high school about that same time. And only got my GED years and years later when I was about 50. I moved to Chicago in 1972 and thru work in a local shipyard... now gone, I became a construction boilermaker. Working in power plants and refineries all around the midwest and west. So I have no higher education... every little bit I managed to get thru my hard head is self taught... or maybe taught by help lists and reading along with lots of experimentation. So, finally cutting to the chase now, I got a divorce around 1987 and went back out to California where union construction wages for boilermakers was quite a lot higher. After a couple years I got together with a girl out there and started seeing a lot of her... around 1992. By 1994 we were married... She worked as a clerical worker on the campus of the University of Cal at Santa Barbara... (a job had brought me up their from the LA area around 1992. Building an Exxon refinery about 20 miles north of Santa Barbara. It turned in to a 2 yr stint which is a long time on one project for a boilermaker... our jobs are usually measured in a few mnths or less). She worked with computers every day.. but I still knew nothing whatever about them. She also was very good friends with a couple for yrs, The guy was the `network' guy for UCSB a network system admin on most of there computer networks. Largely unix of one stripe or another. (Yeah I'm finally getting there) Over a yr or two I too became very good friends with him. As it turned out he had a son who was a troublesome handful.. a kid about 13 or so at the time. Me and this kid hit it off pretty well and I sort of took it on myself to try to help him along... it turned out he did more helping along than I did. He was a linux advocate... a slackware guy, having learned about Unix from his dad.. and I guess Linux too.. It was really him who got me interested I started to see where that `computer stuff' was really nothing more than a very highly developed tool. I was a guy who liked good tools and had used many of every description. My young friend taught me very basic scripting and from there it was a love affair... I saw it as a really advanced and adjustable tool. I'll admit it has been quite a battle. That young man was an order of magnitude brighter than me so he was getting well into it... but I caught hell for several yrs still really. I've got to admit to finding it very hard to learn my way around with computer languages...Or admin'ing linux, at that time the languages weren't really even programming languages (I mean the ones I took up) just
[gentoo-user] Re: preferred editor
On 2009-10-03, Stroller strol...@stellar.eclipse.co.uk wrote: On 2 Oct 2009, at 17:16, Grant Edwards wrote: ... I don't like nano much either -- I find it rather clumsy, but at least it seems to be safe. It doesn't trash my file every 30 seconds when I start typing content while in command mode. Honestly -- I've used vi infrequently but regularly (probably several times a month) for decades, and my brain just doesn't work the way vi does. What editor do you prefer, then? I'm an emacs guy. I've been using emacs (or various clones such as jove and jed) for 25 years now. IIRC when I was at uni (c 2000) one of the TA's suggested Joe as an alternative to the traditional Unix editors. I have been making a little effort in the last year or two to come to grips with vi or vim, and am starting to prefer it, but ISTM that the problem with traditional Unix editors (i.e. vi emacs) is that they depend upon learning obscure keyboard shortcuts. I don't have any problem learning keystrokes. I do have problems with vi's modality. -- Grant
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: OT: Linux as a first platform? Was: Abut smb:// aware tools
On 4 Oct 2009, at 01:17, Harry Putnam wrote: ... She worked with computers every day.. but I still knew nothing whatever about them. She also was very good friends with a couple for yrs, The guy was the `network' guy for UCSB a network system admin on most of there computer networks. Largely unix of one stripe or another. (Yeah I'm finally getting there) Over a yr or two I too became very good friends with him. As it turned out he had a son who was a troublesome handful.. a kid about 13 or so at the time. Me and this kid hit it off pretty well and I sort of took it on myself to try to help him along... it turned out he did more helping along than I did. He was a linux advocate... a slackware guy, having learned about Unix from his dad.. and I guess Linux too.. It was really him who got me interested I started to see where that `computer stuff' was really nothing more than a very highly developed tool. I was a guy who liked good tools and had used many of every description. ... Many thanks for your informative anecdote. I enjoyed very much learning about you. Stroller.
Re: [gentoo-user] PostgreSQL server blocker
Am Samstag 03 Oktober 2009 22:59:15 schrieb Stroller: For the longest time I've had PostgreSQL server installed on one of my systems. I update world every month or two and today `emerge -upv world` shows this blocker: Postgresql packages have been split. They are now named postgresql-base, -doc and -server. You need to uninstall your current packages and install those. HTH... Dirk
Re: [gentoo-user] PostgreSQL server blocker
Am Sonntag 04 Oktober 2009 07:34:24 schrieb Dirk Heinrichs: Am Samstag 03 Oktober 2009 22:59:15 schrieb Stroller: For the longest time I've had PostgreSQL server installed on one of my systems. I update world every month or two and today `emerge -upv world` shows this blocker: Postgresql packages have been split. They are now named postgresql-base, -doc and -server. You need to uninstall your current packages and install those. Forgot to add: The new packages are also slotted now. Means you can install several major versions (back to 7.3.x) next to each other to ease upgrade: Install new version, dump databases of old version, stop old, start new, import databases, uninstall old version. Bye... Dirk
