Re: [gentoo-user] mysterious syslog message .
On Wed, 03 Feb 2010 08:57:19 +0930, Iain Buchanan wrote: b. use wicd instead, which is decidedly not a piece of shit I had a look at that, but it doesn't do 2 things that I use NetworkManager for: 1. mobile broadband (essential for on the road) True, it's been on todo for a while. It's no longer an issue for me now as I use a Mi-Fi 3G modem, which connects to the computer via WiFi instead of having a dongle sticking out the side waiting to be knocked off. 2. NetworkManager sends dbus messages that evolution uses to toggle its online / offline state. I was sick of forever waiting for evolution to time out because I'd gone offline. (Granted, you may think evolution is another POS, but it does certain things that no other mail client can do, but that's another story) Wicd can run any command or script you want before and after going on and offline. -- Neil Bothwick -Come, come, why they couldn't hit an elephant from this dist- signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] baselayout2/openrc question
On Tue, 02 Feb 2010 18:09:08 -0600, Dale wrote: In my opinion, the old portage was good, the new one is even better. Now if the next version will prevent a person from borking their system, that would be heaven. lol You know, unmerge python and see what happens. Yes, you can still unmerge python, even the only version you have left, and portage not say a darn thing. It kills the heck out of portage tho. Portage gives you a big red warning if you try to do this, but it doesn't, and shouldn't, try to stop you. What if you really want to remove Python? Postage is not the only package manager, so python is not compulsory. -- Neil Bothwick Time is the best teacher., unfortunately it kills all the students signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Gracefully shut down program by request through ssh?
On Tue, 2 Feb 2010 19:50:34 -0800, Mark Knecht wrote: I didn't have as much luck with VirtualBox that didn't seem to like me moving copies from one partition to another. I must go back and give that another try as I'd like to be using Open Source but for now VMWare is very nice. VirtualBox isn't fully open source. There is an open source version but it is crippled compared with the binary release. -- Neil Bothwick Top Oxymorons Number 37: Sanitary landfill signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] baselayout2/openrc question
On Tuesday 02 February 2010 20:53:39 Alan McKinnon wrote: Whereas willy-nilly mixing stable and unstable is normally condemned as a bad idea (with good reason), it generally considered OK with portage for the above reason. Portage is self-contained, unmasking it doesn't contaminate the system with legions of other unstable $STUFF ...with the one exception* of a couple of eselect packages, which hardly counts anyway. * Is a couple one or two? You decide. -- Rgds Peter.
Re: [gentoo-user] GNOME: Selecting shut down in the menu sometimes lands me back a gdm login screen.
On 02/02/2010 06:10 PM, ubiquitous1980 wrote: Selecting shut down in the menu sometimes lands me back a gdm login screen. At other times, the computer shuts down normally. When I had similar problems it was sometimes because of permission-problems when talking to some service over the dbus. Check your ~/.xsession-errors for dbus-send errors. Just a wild guess :) Daniel signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [gentoo-user] GNOME: Selecting shut down in the menu sometimes lands me back a gdm login screen.
On Wednesday 03 February 2010 09:15:05 ubiquitous1980 wrote: Daniel Troeder wrote: On 02/02/2010 06:10 PM, ubiquitous1980 wrote: Selecting shut down in the menu sometimes lands me back a gdm login screen. At other times, the computer shuts down normally. When I had similar problems it was sometimes because of permission-problems when talking to some service over the dbus. Check your ~/.xsession-errors for dbus-send errors. Just a wild guess :) Daniel It hasn't done it in the last few reboots, but I have nopasted it: http://dpaste.com/154084/ to see if you might find any problems Please don't use short-lived URL shorteners here. This list is archived and after a time your posted info goes away and cannot help any future user. The post was very small anyway and it's perfectly acceptable to insert it in- line. -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
Re: [gentoo-user] mysterious syslog message .
On Wednesday 03 February 2010 01:27:19 Iain Buchanan wrote: On Wed, 2010-02-03 at 00:05 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: On Tuesday 02 February 2010 04:06:14 Iain Buchanan wrote: The 50k of messages all look like this: That's definitely not right. Even with full debugging enabled no app should emit that amount of logs. and yet with debugging disabled, there's no cpu usage, so perhaps there's just a problem with my syslog-ng rules? Seeing as we are dealing with networkmanager with it's long history of being hard to deal with, I recommend you a. recognize the truth - that it is a piece of shit I appreciate the humour, but so far for me, it's Just Worked(TM). Even with this log file annoyance, it's still working. You're the lucky one :-) nm seems to work OK on the RedHats and SuSEs of this world, I've not seen many folk get it work smoothly on Gentoo b. use wicd instead, which is decidedly not a piece of shit I had a look at that, but it doesn't do 2 things that I use NetworkManager for: In that case, you could retain NetworkManager and tweak your syslogger to discard the logs. You'd have to be specific in your MATCH otherwise you might toss too many false positives, but we already know you ignore those messages anyway . 1. mobile broadband (essential for on the road) 2. NetworkManager sends dbus messages that evolution uses to toggle its online / offline state. I was sick of forever waiting for evolution to time out because I'd gone offline. (Granted, you may think evolution is another POS, but it does certain things that no other mail client can do, but that's another story) I found a post that suggested in fact iwlagn wasn't reloading properly after a suspend, so I've added UnloadModules iwlagn to /etc/hibernate/common.conf and so far I haven't seen the spurious log messages (cross my fingers). Unfortunately, that sounds all too realistic. I gave up trying to use suspend some time ago after battling with wirelss and graphics hardware that wouldn't suspend/resume reliably. But with 4G of RAM here, I find it doesn't take much longer to power down/cold start than suspend/resume -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
Re: [gentoo-user] Gracefully shut down program by request through ssh?
On Wed, Feb 3, 2010 at 1:43 AM, Neil Bothwick n...@digimed.co.uk wrote: On Tue, 2 Feb 2010 19:50:34 -0800, Mark Knecht wrote: I didn't have as much luck with VirtualBox that didn't seem to like me moving copies from one partition to another. I must go back and give that another try as I'd like to be using Open Source but for now VMWare is very nice. VirtualBox isn't fully open source. There is an open source version but it is crippled compared with the binary release. -- Neil Bothwick Top Oxymorons Number 37: Sanitary landfill Hi Neil, I guess that you're correct that it's been crippled a bit but according to this page it doesn't seem that bad to me: http://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Editions I don't personally need the USB stuff inside of VB so for me it might be enough. Anyway, if there's no special reason that I cannot build the OSE version on Gentoo AMD64 stable then I might go ahead and do it just to see what happens. Thanks, Mark
Re: [gentoo-user] baselayout2/openrc question
Neil Bothwick wrote: On Tue, 02 Feb 2010 18:09:08 -0600, Dale wrote: In my opinion, the old portage was good, the new one is even better. Now if the next version will prevent a person from borking their system, that would be heaven. lol You know, unmerge python and see what happens. Yes, you can still unmerge python, even the only version you have left, and portage not say a darn thing. It kills the heck out of portage tho. Portage gives you a big red warning if you try to do this, but it doesn't, and shouldn't, try to stop you. What if you really want to remove Python? Postage is not the only package manager, so python is not compulsory. It doesn't here. Someone else did the same thing a few weeks ago with no warning or didn't mention seeing one at least. I've read where others have done this too. It just seems to me that portage should keep it so it can work. It needs python to do that. Since portage is the package manager for Gentoo, portage is the one that should be protected. Dale :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] Gracefully shut down program by request through ssh?
On Wed, 3 Feb 2010 09:29:40 -0800, Mark Knecht wrote: I guess that you're correct that it's been crippled a bit but according to this page it doesn't seem that bad to me: http://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Editions I don't personally need the USB stuff inside of VB so for me it might be enough. It seems a little underhand to me, either its open source or it isn't. There's no good technical reason to not release the USB source, only commercial reasons. -- Neil Bothwick The quickest way to a man's heart is through his sternum. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] baselayout2/openrc question
On Wed, 03 Feb 2010 12:07:33 -0600, Dale wrote: Portage gives you a big red warning if you try to do this, but it doesn't, and shouldn't, try to stop you. What if you really want to remove Python? Postage is not the only package manager, so python is not compulsory. It doesn't here. Someone else did the same thing a few weeks ago with no warning or didn't mention seeing one at least. I've read where others have done this too. have changed. You're right. It used to do this if you tried to remove anything from @system, but this appears to It just seems to me that portage should keep it so it can work. It needs python to do that. Since portage is the package manager for Gentoo, portage is the one that should be protected. Portage is A package manager, but if you are using portage to remove packages, it should be intelligent about removing its own dependencies. Taken more globally, maybe portage should warn whenever you are trying to remove a package that is a dependency of anything in @world. -- Neil Bothwick Computers are like Old Testament gods; lots of rules and no mercy. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
[gentoo-user] How can I find all hard-links and soft-links?
Hi, just out of curiosity: is there any quick way to find all hard- and soft-links on a system? I just want to be sure they were all created after I moved system from the old disk to the new one... Jarry -- ___ This mailbox accepts e-mails only from selected mailing-lists! Everything else is considered to be spam and therefore deleted.
Re: [gentoo-user] How can I find all hard-links and soft-links?
Jarry wrote: Hi, just out of curiosity: is there any quick way to find all hard- and soft-links on a system? I just want to be sure they were all created after I moved system from the old disk to the new one... Jarry I think everything falls under the category of a hard or soft link. The following commands may help. This will print everything that has more than zero (one or more) links. find / -links +0 This will print all symbolic links. find / -type l This should print all broken links from the current directory down: notice no / or path. find -L -type l I would recommend testing these in /tmp or in a subdirectory first before running them from /. dhk
Re: [gentoo-user] How can I find all hard-links and soft-links?
On Wednesday 03 February 2010 20:37:36 Jarry wrote: Hi, just out of curiosity: is there any quick way to find all hard- and soft-links on a system? I just want to be sure they were all created after I moved system from the old disk to the new one... Soft links are easy app-misc/symlinks and/or find / -type l will do the job nicely. Hard links are much harder to find. They are files, nothing more, nothing less, so you have to examine the link count: find / -type f -links +1 -ls ought to do it. It will not tell you what else links to a given dentry, you have to eyeball the entire jigsaw puzzle to piece that together. Sort the output by file size, if you find 5 entries with a link count of 5 and the same size and timestamps, they are probably all hardlinked to the same inode. -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
Re: [gentoo-user] baselayout2/openrc question
On Wednesday 03 February 2010 20:07:33 Dale wrote: Neil Bothwick wrote: On Tue, 02 Feb 2010 18:09:08 -0600, Dale wrote: In my opinion, the old portage was good, the new one is even better. Now if the next version will prevent a person from borking their system, that would be heaven. lol You know, unmerge python and see what happens. Yes, you can still unmerge python, even the only version you have left, and portage not say a darn thing. It kills the heck out of portage tho. Portage gives you a big red warning if you try to do this, but it doesn't, and shouldn't, try to stop you. What if you really want to remove Python? Postage is not the only package manager, so python is not compulsory. It doesn't here. Someone else did the same thing a few weeks ago with no warning or didn't mention seeing one at least. I've read where others have done this too. It just seems to me that portage should keep it so it can work. It needs python to do that. Since portage is the package manager for Gentoo, portage is the one that should be protected. Portage is not the package manager for Gentoo. It is *A* package manager for Gentoo. Trying to assign it some special exalted status will always get you in trouble when trying to understand why things are the way they are. The only special thing about portage is that it carries officially supported status. -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
Re: [gentoo-user] baselayout2/openrc question
On Wednesday 03 February 2010 20:31:31 Neil Bothwick wrote: It just seems to me that portage should keep it so it can work. It needs python to do that. Since portage is the package manager for Gentoo, portage is the one that should be protected. Portage is A package manager, but if you are using portage to remove packages, it should be intelligent about removing its own dependencies. Taken more globally, maybe portage should warn whenever you are trying to remove a package that is a dependency of anything in @world. Could be useful if implemented with an off switch Or leave it off by default, users can enable it in make.conf if they wish. I often unmerge deps of things in world, but I know (usually) what I'm doing and will follow up with a --deep later. Annoying Are you sure? Are you REALLY sure? might make me switch to Ubuntu :-) -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
Re: [gentoo-user] How can I find all hard-links and soft-links?
Hi Jarry, searching for softlinks is pretty easy: find / -type l If my understanding of hardlinks is correct you cannot say which file is the original and which file is the link. Both inodes just point to the same datablocks. But you can identify those files by checking the linkcount. find / -type f -links '+1' -Stefan On Wed, Feb 03, 2010 at 07:37:36PM +0100, Jarry wrote: Hi, just out of curiosity: is there any quick way to find all hard- and soft-links on a system? I just want to be sure they were all created after I moved system from the old disk to the new one... Jarry -- ___ This mailbox accepts e-mails only from selected mailing-lists! Everything else is considered to be spam and therefore deleted. pgpjolqEkBy2P.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] How can I find all hard-links and soft-links?
On Wednesday 03 February 2010 21:43:31 Stefan Schulte wrote: Hi Jarry, searching for softlinks is pretty easy: find / -type l If my understanding of hardlinks is correct you cannot say which file is the original and which file is the link. It's worse than that - the concept of original and the link simply does not exist at all. Like invisible pink unicorns; you can't say you can't see them so you can't say if it's there or not. The truth is There are no invisible pink unicorns Both inodes just point to the same datablocks. But you can identify those files by checking the linkcount. find / -type f -links '+1' -Stefan On Wed, Feb 03, 2010 at 07:37:36PM +0100, Jarry wrote: Hi, just out of curiosity: is there any quick way to find all hard- and soft-links on a system? I just want to be sure they were all created after I moved system from the old disk to the new one... Jarry -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
Re: [gentoo-user] Gracefully shut down program by request through ssh?
On Wed, Feb 3, 2010 at 10:28 AM, Neil Bothwick n...@digimed.co.uk wrote: On Wed, 3 Feb 2010 09:29:40 -0800, Mark Knecht wrote: I guess that you're correct that it's been crippled a bit but according to this page it doesn't seem that bad to me: http://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Editions I don't personally need the USB stuff inside of VB so for me it might be enough. It seems a little underhand to me, either its open source or it isn't. There's no good technical reason to not release the USB source, only commercial reasons. -- Neil Bothwick The quickest way to a man's heart is through his sternum. I agree, but it may be that Sun had licensed stuff like this from someone else prior to making the project Open Source and cannot release it. It would be great if it got rewritten from scratch by someone not involved so that it could be 100% Open Source, but practically speaking it won't be an issue in terms of running the platform for most people today. I didn't like some of the language on that page where they said: It is functionally equivalent to the full VirtualBox package, except for a few features that primarily target enterprise customers. I don't like it when they say 'functionally equivalent' as it makes me think it's not __exactly__ the same code. There may have been other portions of the code they couldn't release into Open Source so some of it has been rewritten already - Mark
Re: [gentoo-user] How can I find all hard-links and soft-links?
Yeah, you're right. And I think I have to correct myself. You don't have two inodes, you have two directoryentries pointing to the same inode. So if you want to find corresponding files, you can sort by inodenumber: find /usr/bin -type f -links '+1' -print0 | xargs -0 ls -li | sort -n On Wed, Feb 03, 2010 at 10:02:37PM +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: On Wednesday 03 February 2010 21:43:31 Stefan Schulte wrote: Hi Jarry, searching for softlinks is pretty easy: find / -type l If my understanding of hardlinks is correct you cannot say which file is the original and which file is the link. It's worse than that - the concept of original and the link simply does not exist at all. Like invisible pink unicorns; you can't say you can't see them so you can't say if it's there or not. The truth is There are no invisible pink unicorns Both inodes just point to the same datablocks. But you can identify those files by checking the linkcount. find / -type f -links '+1' -Stefan On Wed, Feb 03, 2010 at 07:37:36PM +0100, Jarry wrote: Hi, just out of curiosity: is there any quick way to find all hard- and soft-links on a system? I just want to be sure they were all created after I moved system from the old disk to the new one... Jarry -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com pgptp35soYo6Z.pgp Description: PGP signature
[gentoo-user] revdep-rebuild keeps reinstalling binutils
After todays update world, I run revdep-rebuild which reports binutils broken and uses `oneshot' to reinstall it. Follow with another revdep-rebuild and it finds the same thing. Anyone seen something similar or have an idea what might be the problem?
Re: [gentoo-user] revdep-rebuild keeps reinstalling binutils
On Wednesday 03 February 2010 23:45:00 Harry Putnam wrote: After todays update world, I run revdep-rebuild which reports binutils broken and uses `oneshot' to reinstall it. Follow with another revdep-rebuild and it finds the same thing. Anyone seen something similar or have an idea what might be the problem? full output from revdep-rebuild? -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
Re: [gentoo-user] revdep-rebuild keeps reinstalling binutils
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 15:45/02/03/10, Harry Putnam wrote: After todays update world, I run revdep-rebuild which reports binutils broken and uses `oneshot' to reinstall it. Follow with another revdep-rebuild and it finds the same thing. Anyone seen something similar or have an idea what might be the problem? Sounds like your haveing a similar problem to what I have been haveing for the last few weeks now. Can you post the output of revdep-rebuild. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.14 (GNU/Linux) iF4EAREIAAYFAktp9M4ACgkQpSa/g4Qb1ZlxfwD/XGRzyLO+2tFs5ZyfU7s3Aj3u gOFbNS5daghWSpahrL8A/0R1fGvJLrges3AhXYBcyWwz8LgCHx+lw8gmzPbG8dg9 =2L6r -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: [gentoo-user] GNOME: Selecting shut down in the menu sometimes lands me back a gdm login screen.
Alan McKinnon wrote: On Wednesday 03 February 2010 09:15:05 ubiquitous1980 wrote: Daniel Troeder wrote: On 02/02/2010 06:10 PM, ubiquitous1980 wrote: Selecting shut down in the menu sometimes lands me back a gdm login screen. At other times, the computer shuts down normally. When I had similar problems it was sometimes because of permission-problems when talking to some service over the dbus. Check your ~/.xsession-errors for dbus-send errors. Just a wild guess :) Daniel It hasn't done it in the last few reboots, but I have nopasted it: http://dpaste.com/154084/ to see if you might find any problems Please don't use short-lived URL shorteners here. This list is archived and after a time your posted info goes away and cannot help any future user. The post was very small anyway and it's perfectly acceptable to insert it in- line. No worries Alan. Here are the full details of that config file. /etc/X11/gdm/Xsession: Beginning session setup... which: no keychain in (/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/opt/bin:/usr/x86_64-pc-linux-gnu/gcc-bin/4.3.4:/usr/lib64/subversion/bin:/usr/games/bin) /etc/X11/gdm/Xsession: Setup done, will execute: gnome-session GNOME_KEYRING_SOCKET=/tmp/keyring-OaCPoA/socket SSH_AUTH_SOCK=/tmp/keyring-OaCPoA/socket.ssh shm_open() failed: Permission denied Window manager warning: Failed to read saved session file /home/ubiquitous1980/.config/metacity/sessions/10f50da8e07be8ee3112651893384549780046660017.ms: Failed to open file '/home/ubiquitous1980/.config/metacity/sessions/10f50da8e07be8ee3112651893384549780046660017.ms': No such file or directory (gnome-settings-daemon:4705): GLib-GObject-CRITICAL **: g_param_spec_flags: assertion `G_TYPE_IS_FLAGS (flags_type)' failed (gnome-settings-daemon:4705): GLib-GObject-CRITICAL **: g_object_class_install_property: assertion `G_IS_PARAM_SPEC (pspec)' failed ** Message: NumLock remembering disabled because hostname is set to localhost shm_open() failed: Permission denied shm_open() failed: Permission denied shm_open() failed: Permission denied shm_open() failed: Permission denied ** (gnome-volume-control-applet:4822): DEBUG: Disabling debugging shm_open() failed: Permission denied shm_open() failed: Permission denied shm_open() failed: Permission denied Failure: Module initalization failed ** (nm-applet:4811): WARNING **: WARN request_name(): Could not acquire the session service as it is already taken. Return: 3 ** (nm-applet:4811): WARNING **: WARN constructor(): Couldn't initialize the D-Bus manager. ** Message: Initializing gksu extension... (gnome-panel:4771): Gtk-WARNING **: gtk_widget_size_allocate(): attempt to allocate widget with width -9 and height 24 Unable to open desktop file epiphany.desktop for panel launcher Unable to open desktop file evolution.desktop for panel launcher ** (nautilus:4792): WARNING **: Unable to add monitor: Not supported ** (nautilus:4792): WARNING **: Unable to add monitor: Not supported error: option --qt not a unique prefix HP Linux Imaging and Printing System (ver. 2.8.6b) System Tray Status Service ver. 0.1 Copyright (c) 2001-8 Hewlett-Packard Development Company, LP This software comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY. This is free software, and you are welcome to distribute it under certain conditions. See COPYING file for more details. Usage: hp-systray [OPTIONS] [OPTIONS] Force Qt3: --qt3 (default) Force Qt4: --qt4 Startup even if no -x or --force-startup hplip CUPS queues are present: Set the logging -llevel or --logging=level level: level: none, info*, error, warn, debug (*default) Run in debug mode: -g (same as option: -ldebug) This help -h or --help information: ** (gnome-settings-daemon:4705): WARNING **: No screensaver available No running windows found Window manager warning: Buggy client sent a _NET_ACTIVE_WINDOW message with a timestamp of 0 for 0x2200045 (Mozilla Fi) Window manager warning: meta_window_activate called by a pager with a 0 timestamp; the pager needs to be fixed. Window manager warning: Buggy client sent a _NET_ACTIVE_WINDOW message with a timestamp of 0 for 0x2200045 (Mozilla Fi) Window manager warning: meta_window_activate called by a pager with a 0 timestamp; the pager needs to be fixed.
Re: [gentoo-user] baselayout2/openrc question
Alan McKinnon wrote: On Wednesday 03 February 2010 20:07:33 Dale wrote: Neil Bothwick wrote: On Tue, 02 Feb 2010 18:09:08 -0600, Dale wrote: In my opinion, the old portage was good, the new one is even better. Now if the next version will prevent a person from borking their system, that would be heaven. lol You know, unmerge python and see what happens. Yes, you can still unmerge python, even the only version you have left, and portage not say a darn thing. It kills the heck out of portage tho. Portage gives you a big red warning if you try to do this, but it doesn't, and shouldn't, try to stop you. What if you really want to remove Python? Postage is not the only package manager, so python is not compulsory. It doesn't here. Someone else did the same thing a few weeks ago with no warning or didn't mention seeing one at least. I've read where others have done this too. It just seems to me that portage should keep it so it can work. It needs python to do that. Since portage is the package manager for Gentoo, portage is the one that should be protected. Portage is not the package manager for Gentoo. It is *A* package manager for Gentoo. Trying to assign it some special exalted status will always get you in trouble when trying to understand why things are the way they are. The only special thing about portage is that it carries officially supported status. That was my point. Someone else can make a package manager if they want to but portage is the official Gentoo package manager. As far as I know, portage has always been Gentoo's package manager. I been here since 1.4 so while it is possible that I missed it but somewhat doubtful. Dale :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] Gracefully shut down program by request through ssh?
On Wed, 3 Feb 2010 12:09:57 -0800, Mark Knecht wrote: It seems a little underhand to me, either its open source or it isn't. There's no good technical reason to not release the USB source, only commercial reasons. I agree, but it may be that Sun had licensed stuff like this from someone else prior to making the project Open Source and cannot release it. That's possible, but reading what they say about it makes me doubt that, that this was a choice they made. I didn't like some of the language on that page where they said: It is functionally equivalent to the full VirtualBox package, except for a few features that primarily target enterprise customers. Since when was USB storage primarily for Enterprise users? I don't like it when they say 'functionally equivalent' as it makes me think it's not __exactly__ the same code. Good point. This seems more like crippleware masquerading as open source. -- Neil Bothwick A snooze button is a poor substitute for no alarm clock at all. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] baselayout2/openrc question
On Wed, 3 Feb 2010 21:29:30 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: Taken more globally, maybe portage should warn whenever you are trying to remove a package that is a dependency of anything in @world. Could be useful if implemented with an off switch Or leave it off by default, users can enable it in make.conf if they wish. I often unmerge deps of things in world, but I know (usually) what I'm doing and will follow up with a --deep later. Annoying Are you sure? Are you REALLY sure? might make me switch to Ubuntu :-) A command line argument (--force?) would be fine, but you can't complain it's annoying when you have just complained that portage doesn't do this. Either you want to be able to shoot yourself in the foot or you don't. -- Neil Bothwick Cross-country skiing is great in small countries. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] mysterious syslog message .
On Wed, 2010-02-03 at 09:37 +, Neil Bothwick wrote: On Wed, 03 Feb 2010 08:57:19 +0930, Iain Buchanan wrote: b. use wicd instead, which is decidedly not a piece of shit I had a look at that, but it doesn't do 2 things that I use NetworkManager for: 1. mobile broadband (essential for on the road) True, it's been on todo for a while. It's no longer an issue for me now as I use a Mi-Fi 3G modem, which connects to the computer via WiFi instead of having a dongle sticking out the side waiting to be knocked off. And how do you power it on the road? Much more hungry to have 2x wifi going than one usb 3G modem (imho) and many netbooks are integrating them so you won't have the dongle sticking out any more. 2. NetworkManager sends dbus messages that evolution uses to toggle its online / offline state. I was sick of forever waiting for evolution to time out because I'd gone offline. (Granted, you may think evolution is another POS, but it does certain things that no other mail client can do, but that's another story) Wicd can run any command or script you want before and after going on and offline. you're suggestions on exactly what script to run to tell the current evo process to go offline immediately is welcome :) I couldn't figure it out, but no doubt theres some way I could emulate the dbus message from NetworkManager... -- Iain Buchanan iaindb at netspace dot net dot au America: born free and taxed to death.
Re: [gentoo-user] mysterious syslog message .
On Wed, 2010-02-03 at 18:57 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: On Wednesday 03 February 2010 01:27:19 Iain Buchanan wrote: I appreciate the humour, but so far for me, it's Just Worked(TM). Even with this log file annoyance, it's still working. You're the lucky one :-) nm seems to work OK on the RedHats and SuSEs of this world, I've not seen many folk get it work smoothly on Gentoo Wow, I must remember to buy a lottery ticket on the way home :) Seriously, it was just emerge and go! I found a post that suggested in fact iwlagn wasn't reloading properly after a suspend, so I've added UnloadModules iwlagn to /etc/hibernate/common.conf and so far I haven't seen the spurious log messages (cross my fingers). Unfortunately, that sounds all too realistic. I gave up trying to use suspend some time ago after battling with wirelss and graphics hardware that wouldn't suspend/resume reliably. But with 4G of RAM here, I find it doesn't take much longer to power down/cold start than suspend/resume really? 4G RAM, Core 2 Duo T9500 @ 2.60GHz here, and hibernate is much faster. Do you have an SSD? Resuming with gnome, compiz, firefox, etc. already loaded is supremely better than my boot up AND log-in time otherwise. -- Iain Buchanan iaindb at netspace dot net dot au Pets are always a great help in times of stress. And in times of starvation too, o'course. -- (Terry Pratchett, Small Gods)
Re: [gentoo-user] GNOME: Selecting shut down in the menu sometimes lands me back a gdm login screen.
On 02/03/2010 05:50 PM, ubiquitous1980 wrote: Alan McKinnon wrote: On Wednesday 03 February 2010 09:15:05 ubiquitous1980 wrote: Daniel Troeder wrote: On 02/02/2010 06:10 PM, ubiquitous1980 wrote: Selecting shut down in the menu sometimes lands me back a gdm login screen. At other times, the computer shuts down normally. When I had similar problems it was sometimes because of permission-problems when talking to some service over the dbus. Check your ~/.xsession-errors for dbus-send errors. Just a wild guess :) Daniel It hasn't done it in the last few reboots, but I have nopasted it: http://dpaste.com/154084/ to see if you might find any problems Please don't use short-lived URL shorteners here. This list is archived and after a time your posted info goes away and cannot help any future user. The post was very small anyway and it's perfectly acceptable to insert it in- line. No worries Alan. Here are the full details of that config file. /etc/X11/gdm/Xsession: Beginning session setup... which: no keychain in (/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/opt/bin:/usr/x86_64-pc-linux-gnu/gcc-bin/4.3.4:/usr/lib64/subversion/bin:/usr/games/bin) /etc/X11/gdm/Xsession: Setup done, will execute: gnome-session GNOME_KEYRING_SOCKET=/tmp/keyring-OaCPoA/socket SSH_AUTH_SOCK=/tmp/keyring-OaCPoA/socket.ssh shm_open() failed: Permission denied Window manager warning: Failed to read saved session file /home/ubiquitous1980/.config/metacity/sessions/10f50da8e07be8ee3112651893384549780046660017.ms: Failed to open file '/home/ubiquitous1980/.config/metacity/sessions/10f50da8e07be8ee3112651893384549780046660017.ms': No such file or directory (gnome-settings-daemon:4705): GLib-GObject-CRITICAL **: g_param_spec_flags: assertion `G_TYPE_IS_FLAGS (flags_type)' failed (gnome-settings-daemon:4705): GLib-GObject-CRITICAL **: g_object_class_install_property: assertion `G_IS_PARAM_SPEC (pspec)' failed ** Message: NumLock remembering disabled because hostname is set to localhost shm_open() failed: Permission denied shm_open() failed: Permission denied shm_open() failed: Permission denied shm_open() failed: Permission denied ** (gnome-volume-control-applet:4822): DEBUG: Disabling debugging shm_open() failed: Permission denied shm_open() failed: Permission denied shm_open() failed: Permission denied Failure: Module initalization failed ** (nm-applet:4811): WARNING **: WARN request_name(): Could not acquire the session service as it is already taken. Return: 3 ** (nm-applet:4811): WARNING **: WARN constructor(): Couldn't initialize the D-Bus manager. ** Message: Initializing gksu extension... (gnome-panel:4771): Gtk-WARNING **: gtk_widget_size_allocate(): attempt to allocate widget with width -9 and height 24 Unable to open desktop file epiphany.desktop for panel launcher Unable to open desktop file evolution.desktop for panel launcher ** (nautilus:4792): WARNING **: Unable to add monitor: Not supported ** (nautilus:4792): WARNING **: Unable to add monitor: Not supported error: option --qt not a unique prefix HP Linux Imaging and Printing System (ver. 2.8.6b) System Tray Status Service ver. 0.1 Copyright (c) 2001-8 Hewlett-Packard Development Company, LP This software comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY. This is free software, and you are welcome to distribute it under certain conditions. See COPYING file for more details. Usage: hp-systray [OPTIONS] [OPTIONS] Force Qt3: --qt3 (default) Force Qt4: --qt4 Startup even if no -x or --force-startup hplip CUPS queues are present: Set the logging -llevel or --logging=level level: level: none, info*, error, warn, debug (*default) Run in debug mode: -g (same as option: -ldebug) This help -h or --help information: ** (gnome-settings-daemon:4705): WARNING **: No screensaver available No running windows found Window manager warning: Buggy client sent a _NET_ACTIVE_WINDOW message with a timestamp of 0 for 0x2200045 (Mozilla Fi) Window manager warning: meta_window_activate called by a pager with a 0 timestamp; the pager needs to be fixed. Window manager warning: Buggy client sent a _NET_ACTIVE_WINDOW message with a timestamp of 0 for 0x2200045 (Mozilla Fi) Window manager warning: meta_window_activate called by a pager with a 0 timestamp; the pager needs to be fixed. It hasn't done it in the last few reboots,
Re: [gentoo-user] baselayout2/openrc question
Neil Bothwick wrote: On Wed, 3 Feb 2010 21:29:30 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: Taken more globally, maybe portage should warn whenever you are trying to remove a package that is a dependency of anything in @world. Could be useful if implemented with an off switch Or leave it off by default, users can enable it in make.conf if they wish. I often unmerge deps of things in world, but I know (usually) what I'm doing and will follow up with a --deep later. Annoying Are you sure? Are you REALLY sure? might make me switch to Ubuntu :-) A command line argument (--force?) would be fine, but you can't complain it's annoying when you have just complained that portage doesn't do this. Either you want to be able to shoot yourself in the foot or you don't. I agree with this. I like the idea of --force. It would let portage know that you are aware of what you are doing. Thing is, sometimes new people remove python and they don't know YET that portage has to have python. They find that out afterwards. Thing is, if you try to unmerge portage, it will tell you it will break stuff. Removing portage can be recovered from easily. We don't really need a warning for that. You just untar the thing and carry on. Removing python is not that simple unless you happen to have a binary saved. The bad thing is, since python is not a system package, it doesn't even save the last compiled binary in /usr/portage/packages/All/ if you only have buildsyspkg in make.conf. It does portage but not python. If you want to have python saved, you have to do it manually or set buildpkg in make.conf which will save a copy of EVERYTHING. That would include the world packages as well. I seriously doubt the devs will change any of this anytime soon tho. This is pretty much a mute point. Dale :-) :-)
[gentoo-user] mplayer does not have man page output info is chinese
hi, my system is gentoo amd64. my /etc/env.d/01locale is empty. after i compiled mplayer, the output info is chinese, and i cannot read it console, even though i can read it in the xterm. how to make the output to english? in my /etc/locale.gen file, i do have chinese support. and, my mplayer does not have man page. i tried to add the 'doc' use flag, but it does not have affect. -- Best Regards, David Shen http://twitter.com/davidshen84/
Re: [gentoo-user] mplayer does not have man page output info is chinese
On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 12:07 PM, Xi Shen davidshe...@googlemail.com wrote: hi, my system is gentoo amd64. my /etc/env.d/01locale is empty. after i compiled mplayer, the output info is chinese, and i cannot read it console, even though i can read it in the xterm. how to make the output to english? in my /etc/locale.gen file, i do have chinese support. and, my mplayer does not have man page. i tried to add the 'doc' use flag, but it does not have affect. -- Best Regards, David Shen http://twitter.com/davidshen84/ ok, i figured it out myself. i double checked my environment, and found that the LC_CTYPE was set the en_US.UTF8. but i do not understand why it compiles my 'mplayer' to display chinese. after i changed the LC_CTYPE value to en_US and recompile 'mplayer', the output info becomes english, and the man page is back. -- Best Regards, David Shen http://twitter.com/davidshen84/
[gentoo-user] Re: mplayer does not have man page output info is chinese
On 02/04/2010 06:50 AM, Xi Shen wrote: On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 12:07 PM, Xi Shendavidshe...@googlemail.com wrote: hi, my system is gentoo amd64. my /etc/env.d/01locale is empty. after i compiled mplayer, the output info is chinese, and i cannot read it console, even though i can read it in the xterm. how to make the output to english? in my /etc/locale.gen file, i do have chinese support. and, my mplayer does not have man page. i tried to add the 'doc' use flag, but it does not have affect. ok, i figured it out myself. i double checked my environment, and found that the LC_CTYPE was set the en_US.UTF8. but i do not understand why it compiles my 'mplayer' to display chinese. after i changed the LC_CTYPE value to en_US and recompile 'mplayer', the output info becomes english, and the man page is back. On Gentoo, the languages a program supports is controlled by the list of languages specified in the LINGUAS variable in /etc/make.conf. This is because most software can support more than one language. If your LINGUAS includes Chinese, mplayer will be compiled with support for Chinese. The language used when the program is running is controlled by the LC_ALL and LANG environment variables. This is usually set in /etc/env.d/02locale. If you can't see Chinese in your console but can in an xterm, that means your console is using a font that does not support the encoding of LC_ALL or does not have Chinese characters in it. You will need to load a console font with Chinese support. The console font is usually specified in /etc/conf.d/consolefont.
[gentoo-user] binutils broken revdep-rebuild
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 I am having a recurring error for the last few weeks revdep-rebuild -p * Configuring search environment for revdep-rebuild * Checking reverse dependencies * Packages containing binaries and libraries broken by a package * update * will be emerged. * Collecting system binaries and libraries * Generated new 1_files.rr * Collecting complete LD_LIBRARY_PATH * Generated new 2_ldpath.rr * Checking dynamic linking consistency [ 37% ] * broken /usr/lib64/binutils/x86_64-pc-linux-gnu/2.20/libbfd.la (requires - -liberty) * broken * /usr/lib64/binutils/x86_64-pc-linux-gnu/2.20/libopcodes.la * (requires -liberty) [ 100% ] * Generated new 3_broken.rr * Assigning files to packages * /usr/lib64/binutils/x86_64-pc-linux-gnu/2.20/libbfd.la * - sys-devel/binutils * /usr/lib64/binutils/x86_64-pc-linux-gnu/2.20/libopcodes.la * - sys-devel/binutils * Generated new 4_raw.rr and 4_owners.rr * Cleaning list of packages to rebuild * Generated new 4_pkgs.rr * Assigning packages to ebuilds * Generated new 4_ebuilds.rr * Evaluating package order * Generated new 5_order.rr * All prepared. Starting rebuild emerge --oneshot --pretend sys-devel/binutils:0 I am not to sure how to go about trouble shooting this problem. Everything seems to be running as usual aside from the revdep-rebuild broken error. - -- public key @ apartment415.homelinux.com -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.14 (GNU/Linux) iF4EAREIAAYFAktqdBgACgkQpSa/g4Qb1ZnXAwD/VSWifc6i99nZYmg7ke6jgR2N KI4OUmMokkh+y50IksEA/3IRYTjAY8o7kVbMkQ6+u1xpjnXMRGB8QgPPe1jcSUk4 =KslU -END PGP SIGNATURE-
