Re: [gentoo-user] How the HAL are you supposed to use these files?
On Thursday 11 February 2010 09:31:21 Walter Dnes wrote: On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 02:18:43PM +, Neil Bothwick wrote On Wed, 10 Feb 2010 07:57:57 -0500, Walter Dnes wrote: but D-Bus provides a standard way for applications to communicate with one another and removing it can stop your desktop working as it should. Then how did things manage to work on my systems for the past 9 years, pray tell? Because nine years ago, Linux desktop software didn't use interprocess communication. Of course things will still work, but not necessarily everything. For example, Network Manager uses D-Bus to tell programs when your Internet connection is available and not, so your mail client goes into offline mode rather than pointlessly trying to access your mailbox. KDE4 uses it quite extensively, ust as KDE3 used DCOP. There is too much solution-in-search-of-a-problem here. XMMS followed the original Unix philosophy... it did one thing did it right, namely playing audio. Unfortunately, XMMS was hard-coded to use a now obsolete GTK library. Unfortunately, that's analogous to a business employing 5 people, all of whom do their own thing all the time with no inter-person communication and no co- ordination. Perhaps they might scribble a note on a white board once a day, but that's about it. The successor to XMMS is Audacious. It seems to subscribe to the Microsoft philosophy, and tries to do everything under the sun, and pretends it's a server, which requires dbus. Is it *REALLY* necessary? I used XMMS to play mp3's and Live365.com. I ended up switching to mpg123 for both functions when XMMS was dropped, and then to the Flash player for Live365. I emerged Audacious, but unmerged it when I saw the post-install warning that said not to submit any Audacious bug reports if I don't have dbus installed. Modern desktops are integrated, because that's what users want. Any two apps should be able to inter-communicate wherever that communication makes sense. Example: You have any old arbitrary email client. A mail contains a URL. Click it. The URL should open in your preferred browser, whatever that should be. Please note that any email client should support launching any browser, whether the dev built in support for it or not. Yes, I know there are the xdg* scripts, but tally up the number of things a user would want to work like this, tally up the number of scripts in the infinite number of locations this will take, and then ask the user to pick one. Example: Notifications. I have 3 (yes, three!!) kinds of popups that show up here daily. There's KDE's system which is the majority of them, some GTK apps throw popups in the top right corner where I don't want them and them then there's Skype which does it's own thing. God, you gotta love proprietary sekrit apps /sarcasm. The solution is a notification service, apps send their notifications to it and the service does whatever the user configured it to do with the notification. Note that the user is in control here, the user says what happens with popups and does it in one central place and the apps does one thing and one thing only with it's notifications: sends them. It's like syslogger, letting the app concentrate on it's real purpose (which is not logging, and definitely is not making sure it doesn't clobber log files from any other apps that might be running). See where this is going? Do you need a hundred more examples? When you have arbitrary, unknown (at install time) sources of data that may interoperate with other arbitrary, unknown (at install time) sinks of data, good data modelling says that a known broker of data should sit in the middle, which is generic enough for anything to be able to use it. And the transport for that is dbus. Just to bring this back to your original statement of Unix philosophy. IPC on modern desktops conforms exactly to the Unix philosophy. Apps were moving away from that and were becoming IM clients cum custom loggers cum notifiers cum insert any other crap here. Standardized IPC is moving back TOWARDS the Unix philosophy, not away from it. Apps can now concentrate on their core function, and hand over the integration aspects to something else dedicated to IPC and nothing else. The apps now merely does the minimum required to hand over data to the service via a messaging bus. Which if you look at it in that light, is EXACTLY the same rationale as a syslogger. Do you use a syslogger? Why? If you don;t like all this integration stuff, and you have every right to not like it, then you should uninstall KDE and use Openbox (or similar lightweight WM). These WMs exist for users that do not want desktop integration. One thing you cannot have is the latest KDE without it's integration features. -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
Re: [gentoo-user] How the HAL are you supposed to use these files?
chrome://messenger/locale/messengercompose/composeMsgs.properties: On Wed, 2010-02-10 at 22:54 -0600, Dale wrote: chrome://messenger/locale/messengercompose/composeMsgs.properties: what _is_ that?! (Don't tell me, if we ignore it maybe it will go away) On Wed, 2010-02-10 at 08:29 -0600, Dale wrote: I use Seamonkey 2 right now. You may be able to tell that by that pesky line at the top. It appears Seamonkey has a roach or two rambling around in there. Anyway, maybe it is just that the download is making it slow enough that it just cancels the request when it is busy. I dunno. I have noticed tho that I don't get emails for a while when I am downloading something large but if I hit the 'get messages' button, then I get a lot of messages that appear to be time stamped from a good while ago. Maybe this is just a coincidence or something. maybe. It could be that Seamonkey is detecting your network usage somehow, like azureus can, but I would think that emails are important and I doubt would be subject to this idea. Maybe the timestamps are when the message was sent but it took some time to get to you? (happens sometimes). Could also be the senders clock is wrong... Otherwise I'd get a can of bug-spray, spray your cat5 and phone cables and see what falls out ;) It was really bad when I was on dial-up. Of course, you have to keep in mind that I was only getting about 3KB/sec so it was so slow that it couldn't do two things at once anyway. Heck, doing one thing was slow enough. lol I have only noticed it a few times since getting on DSL. I get 80KB/sec now which is still slow by some measuring sticks but it is fast for me. The times I did notice it I was downloading a CD, DVD or something like that. It has to be really busy a while to notice it. Dale :-) :-)
[gentoo-user] Adding dependencies in init scripts
Hello, I would like to configure my system so that every time I start mpd (via /etc/init.d/mpd) mpdscrible is started as well. What is the best way to achieve this? Thanks in advance, Damian.
Re: [gentoo-user] Adding dependencies in init scripts
chrome://messenger/locale/messengercompose/composeMsgs.properties:
Hello,
I would like to configure my system so that every time I start mpd
(via /etc/init.d/mpd) mpdscrible is started as well. What is the best
way to achieve this?
Thanks in advance,
Damian.
I found this by looking in the cups init script. It should help.
depend() {
use net
need avahi-daemon dbus
before nfs
after logger
}
Dale
:-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Has semantic-desktop really become compulsatory for kmail?
On Donnerstag 11 Februar 2010, Stroller wrote: On 11 Feb 2010, at 00:01, Jörg Schaible wrote: ... your understanding is wrong. Completely wrong. Seriously it hurts. start here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NEPOMUK_(framework) and then proceed with the links. google-desktop is something completley different (and something that can be replaced with find, locate and grep). Well, in 4.3.x I eliminated it after the first try, because it took so many resources of my machine, that I could not use it for something else. So, you mean, in 4.4.x it takes only a 10% of the resources it took with 4.3.x? LOL, although I really like the idea of the semantic desktop, I rather have a usable machine ... I don't use KDE, but when I freshly install Mac OS (or migrate to a new hard-drive) the Spotlight indexing hammers the drive for several hours. It is not reasonable to compare performance during this initial indexing period. There is no way the likes of `find`, `grep` and `locate` - useful as they are - can operate as efficiently as this kind of indexing (and Spotlight is pretty damn poor - your KDE implementation is surely loads better). I love `find`, `grep` and `locate` - they're fantastic, but my typical usage of them is to perform strict batch operations. If I just want to open a document then why would I wait for `find`, `grep` - or go hunting around manually in sub-directories of sub- directories - when I can just type a keyword into the search box and find it immediately? don't forget that updatedb is hammering your harddisk regularly too - and it doesn't just index new files. Nope, it goes over the whole disk.
Re: [gentoo-user] Has semantic-desktop really become compulsatory for kmail?
On Donnerstag 11 Februar 2010, Roy Wright wrote: On Feb 10, 2010, at 6:31 PM, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: On Donnerstag 11 Februar 2010, Roy Wright wrote: OK, after reading several articles from the given starting point, I now understand why semantic-desktop wastes so much cpu, memory, and storage (really, if you organize your data properly who cares about a file's relationship to an email?). because to 'organize it properly' you would need a huge directory tree plus symlinks plus explaining notes to even simulate a small token of the stuff 'semantic desktop' can do for you.. Haven't had a problem organizing my data in 25 years and currently run a 3 system cluster with ~8TB of data. The only benefit that the semantic desktop seems to deliver is to waste resources. Also didn't read anything even hinting at security awareness of the technology which is really scary (imagine an attack that get's access to the RDFs, those RDFs are in your home directory. If someone can read your home you are screwed anyway. it'd tell the attacker exactly which additional files to target). oh yes, reading stuff about emails tells him to read more emails. That is scary. But tagging files (say stock spreedsheets, bank records, financial bookmarks, tax records) with tags (say 'bank, money, finance') all in one place would simplify a targeted attack. and the filenames and the places where you keep them won't tell him the same? You just claimed you organize things just fine. When you organize things, it can be used against you. And since I don't use/like dolphin, I'll stick with my original opinion that the semantic-desktop should be totally disabled/uninstalled. and you can do that. Oh wow. That useflag only turns on soprano. Nothing else. Which means nothing. You are not forced to use that stuff. So just another database server wasting resources. if it is running. You are free to not start it at all. Not too bad as long as nepomuk and strigi are disabled. Now to find the network ports soprano uses to make sure they are blocked from leaving the machine... Yes, I know, one of the really scary goals of the semantic-desktop is to share RDFs, definitely don't want that. good thing you have to enable that explicitly... IMO, mandatory semantic-desktop is a very good reason to find another desktop manager (even after being my primary desktop for 7 years). yeah good luck with that. Because gnome is moving in that direction too. Seriously guys, you start sounding like luddites. Is new, must be bad. This technology does not have a good track record (invasive cpu, memory, disk usage) for very dubious benefits. I have not found any cost vs. benefits vs. risks articles. Just a bunch of we think this will be great if you just use it type articles that can't even explain how it would be great. zero cpu, almost zero memory and mayby 0.1% harddisk. Yeah, that is scary.
Re: [gentoo-user] Has semantic-desktop really become compulsatory for kmail?
On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 01:31:26AM +0100, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote On Donnerstag 11 Februar 2010, Roy Wright wrote: IMO, mandatory semantic-desktop is a very good reason to find another desktop manager (even after being my primary desktop for 7 years). yeah good luck with that. Because gnome is moving in that direction too. There are other desktops besides GNOME and KDE. Actually I prefer the ICEWM window manager. I was running a 1999 Dell 450mhz PIII with 128 megs of *SYSTEM* ram until the summer of 2007. Let's just say that GNOME and KDE were out of the question for me. On my current desktop, ICEWM flies. But I also have a netbook, and again GNOME and KDE are not usable. Seriously guys, you start sounding like luddites. Is new, must be bad. Correction, is fat, bloated, and slow, must be bad. I wonder if Microsoft's anti-linux strategy is to have its agents infiltrate the linux developer community, and turn linux into bloatware. -- Walter Dnes waltd...@waltdnes.org
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Has semantic-desktop really become compulsatory for kmail?
On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 01:17:07AM +, Stroller wrote I cannot for a moment believe that you (Roy) can organise your files so that you can find them easier than typing a search term clicking on the correct result. You just don't want to try it because your current methods are good enough for you, but this isn't good grounds on which to complain about KDE moving on with their development of a state-of-the-art desktop which will actually make life easier for millions of other people (people who aren't afraid to try it). Yes, I can organize my files to the point where I rarely ever use find. Just because you can't, is not a reason to slow down everybody else's desktop. And if I really wanted a glitzy, bloated, slow-as-molasses, pointy-clicky-touchy-feely-oowee-GUI, I would've stayed with Windows, thank you. I started with Blckbox and am now on ICEWM. I have to put up with Windows at work and one of the first things I do with a new machine is to turn off indexing. It noticeably, speeds up the system. I'll take the rare occasional long search versus continuous disk-thrashing, thank you. -- Walter Dnes waltd...@waltdnes.org
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Has semantic-desktop really become compulsatory for kmail?
On Donnerstag 11 Februar 2010, Walter Dnes wrote: On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 01:17:07AM +, Stroller wrote I cannot for a moment believe that you (Roy) can organise your files so that you can find them easier than typing a search term clicking on the correct result. You just don't want to try it because your current methods are good enough for you, but this isn't good grounds on which to complain about KDE moving on with their development of a state-of-the-art desktop which will actually make life easier for millions of other people (people who aren't afraid to try it). Yes, I can organize my files to the point where I rarely ever use find. Just because you can't, is not a reason to slow down everybody else's desktop. And if I really wanted a glitzy, bloated, slow-as-molasses, pointy-clicky-touchy-feely-oowee-GUI, I would've stayed with Windows, thank you. I started with Blckbox and am now on ICEWM. I have to put up with Windows at work and one of the first things I do with a new machine is to turn off indexing. It noticeably, speeds up the system. I'll take the rare occasional long search versus continuous disk-thrashing, thank you. again. You are talking about stuff you do know nothing about. Semantic desktop is not a MUST. You can turn it off. Second, even if you use it the impact on performance is negligble. updatedb running over your harddisks does a lot more damage than nepomuk - with the additional bonus that nepomuk only indexes once. But again, you can turn it off with a single mouse click. So what again ist your problem? Besides that it is new?
Re: [gentoo-user] Adding dependencies in init scripts
On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 11:21 AM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote:
chrome://messenger/locale/messengercompose/composeMsgs.properties:
Hello,
I would like to configure my system so that every time I start mpd
(via /etc/init.d/mpd) mpdscrible is started as well. What is the best
way to achieve this?
Thanks in advance,
Damian.
I found this by looking in the cups init script. It should help.
depend() {
use net
need avahi-daemon dbus
before nfs
after logger
}
Thanks Dale.
I've tried putting after mpdscribble without success. Also the
problem with this approach is that if I update mpd, I will have to
modify the init script again.
Re: [gentoo-user] Has semantic-desktop really become compulsatory for kmail?
On Donnerstag 11 Februar 2010, Walter Dnes wrote: Seriously guys, you start sounding like luddites. Is new, must be bad. Correction, is fat, bloated, and slow, must be bad. I wonder if Microsoft's anti-linux strategy is to have its agents infiltrate the linux developer community, and turn linux into bloatware. it is neither fat nor bloated nor slow. Have you really tried it? Waited until the first indexing run was complete? kppp needs more ram than nepomuk. ... and produces a higher load. 'Bloatware' is all you have to say. Yeah. It makes life of people easier and uses negligble ressources on hardware that was produced in the last 4 years. It really must be bad.
Re: [gentoo-user] Adding dependencies in init scripts
chrome://messenger/locale/messengercompose/composeMsgs.properties:
On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 11:21 AM, Dalerdalek1...@gmail.com wrote:
chrome://messenger/locale/messengercompose/composeMsgs.properties:
Hello,
I would like to configure my system so that every time I start mpd
(via /etc/init.d/mpd) mpdscrible is started as well. What is the best
way to achieve this?
Thanks in advance,
Damian.
I found this by looking in the cups init script. It should help.
depend() {
use net
need avahi-daemon dbus
before nfs
after logger
}
Thanks Dale.
I've tried putting after mpdscribble without success. Also the
problem with this approach is that if I update mpd, I will have to
modify the init script again.
It will likely overwrite your changes but I have no other ideas on how
to do this. I would imagine that the script is the only thing that can
do it since it is what starts/stops the service.
Maybe someone else will have a idea.
Dale
:-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] Has semantic-desktop really become compulsatory for kmail?
On Thursday 11 February 2010 13:50:54 Walter Dnes wrote: On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 01:31:26AM +0100, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote On Donnerstag 11 Februar 2010, Roy Wright wrote: IMO, mandatory semantic-desktop is a very good reason to find another desktop manager (even after being my primary desktop for 7 years). yeah good luck with that. Because gnome is moving in that direction too. There are other desktops besides GNOME and KDE. Actually I prefer the ICEWM window manager. I was running a 1999 Dell 450mhz PIII with 128 megs of *SYSTEM* ram until the summer of 2007. Let's just say that GNOME and KDE were out of the question for me. On my current desktop, ICEWM flies. But I also have a netbook, and again GNOME and KDE are not usable. Seriously guys, you start sounding like luddites. Is new, must be bad. Correction, is fat, bloated, and slow, must be bad. I wonder if Microsoft's anti-linux strategy is to have its agents infiltrate the linux developer community, and turn linux into bloatware. You have been corrected on this point so many times I now think you are just a stupid ass. It is not slow. You are the only one saying that. People who do use Nepomuk say that it is not slow and does not hog resources (initial scan excepted). Are you seriously just shooting your mouth off about something you know didly- squat about? -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
Re: [gentoo-user] Has semantic-desktop really become compulsatory for kmail?
On Donnerstag 11 Februar 2010, Alan McKinnon wrote: On Thursday 11 February 2010 13:50:54 Walter Dnes wrote: On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 01:31:26AM +0100, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote On Donnerstag 11 Februar 2010, Roy Wright wrote: IMO, mandatory semantic-desktop is a very good reason to find another desktop manager (even after being my primary desktop for 7 years). yeah good luck with that. Because gnome is moving in that direction too. There are other desktops besides GNOME and KDE. Actually I prefer the ICEWM window manager. I was running a 1999 Dell 450mhz PIII with 128 megs of *SYSTEM* ram until the summer of 2007. Let's just say that GNOME and KDE were out of the question for me. On my current desktop, ICEWM flies. But I also have a netbook, and again GNOME and KDE are not usable. Seriously guys, you start sounding like luddites. Is new, must be bad. Correction, is fat, bloated, and slow, must be bad. I wonder if Microsoft's anti-linux strategy is to have its agents infiltrate the linux developer community, and turn linux into bloatware. You have been corrected on this point so many times I now think you are just a stupid ass. It is not slow. You are the only one saying that. People who do use Nepomuk say that it is not slow and does not hog resources (initial scan excepted). you can even tell nepomuk how much memory it is allowed to use ...
[gentoo-user] Cron, bash, and java interacting badly?
I have a java (clojure, actually) program which is invoked via a bash script. When the script is invoked from the shell, the java program always runs and succeeds. However, when the script is invoked via a cron job, the java program always runs and crashes with a null pointer exception. Any thoughts on how to debug the situation?
[gentoo-user] Keyword for dev-java/sun-j2ee
How do I find out the missing keyword for dev-java/sun-j2ee? I tried dev-java/sun-j2ee ~amd64 java in /etc/portage/package.keywords and tried adding ACCEPT_LICENSE=sun-bcla-j2ee to /etc/make.conf. Below is the output to the emerge. emerge -pv dev-java/sun-j2ee !!! CONFIG_PROTECT is empty These are the packages that would be merged, in order: Calculating dependencies... done! !!! All ebuilds that could satisfy dev-java/sun-j2ee have been masked. !!! One of the following masked packages is required to complete your request: - dev-java/sun-j2ee-1.3.1-r4 (masked by: missing keyword) For more information, see the MASKED PACKAGES section in the emerge man page or refer to the Gentoo Handbook. Thanks, dhk
Re: [gentoo-user] Cron, bash, and java interacting badly?
Walt Rarus writes: I have a java (clojure, actually) program which is invoked via a bash script. When the script is invoked from the shell, the java program always runs and succeeds. However, when the script is invoked via a cron job, the java program always runs and crashes with a null pointer exception. Cron jobs have a limited environment. The $PATH is shorter, many environment variables are not set. Maybe this is the cause? Any thoughts on how to debug the situation? I would add env /tmp/myscript.env to the top of the script, this puts all environment variables and their values into /tmp/myscript.env. Compare the outputs with diff, maybe you spot something which explains the behaviour. Maybe you can replace the call to the script in your crontab with something like bash -il /path/to/myscript, forcing it to run in an interactive login shell. I have not tried this, though, it's just an idea. Wonko
Re: [gentoo-user] Has semantic-desktop really become compulsatory for kmail?
chrome://messenger/locale/messengercompose/composeMsgs.properties: On Donnerstag 11 Februar 2010, Alan McKinnon wrote: On Thursday 11 February 2010 13:50:54 Walter Dnes wrote: On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 01:31:26AM +0100, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote On Donnerstag 11 Februar 2010, Roy Wright wrote: IMO, mandatory semantic-desktop is a very good reason to find another desktop manager (even after being my primary desktop for 7 years). yeah good luck with that. Because gnome is moving in that direction too. There are other desktops besides GNOME and KDE. Actually I prefer the ICEWM window manager. I was running a 1999 Dell 450mhz PIII with 128 megs of *SYSTEM* ram until the summer of 2007. Let's just say that GNOME and KDE were out of the question for me. On my current desktop, ICEWM flies. But I also have a netbook, and again GNOME and KDE are not usable. Seriously guys, you start sounding like luddites. Is new, must be bad. Correction, is fat, bloated, and slow, must be bad. I wonder if Microsoft's anti-linux strategy is to have its agents infiltrate the linux developer community, and turn linux into bloatware. You have been corrected on this point so many times I now think you are just a stupid ass. It is not slow. You are the only one saying that. People who do use Nepomuk say that it is not slow and does not hog resources (initial scan excepted). you can even tell nepomuk how much memory it is allowed to use ... Can you nice the thing too? That would work. I set emerge to 5 and I can't even tell that emerge is running most of the time. There may be times when I can but it is rare. I just don't get this thing that indexing is a resource hog. I notice updatedb running at night. I have 329Gbs of data and updatedb only takes a few minutes. How is that a resource hog? My machine is not as old as some but it is slow going by the new machines that are out now. It's a AMD 2500+ with 2Gbs of ram. I have had Linux on machines as slow as 133MHz but never felt the need to disable indexing. Dale :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] Cron, bash, and java interacting badly?
On Thursday 11 February 2010 15:40:09 Walt Rarus wrote: I have a java (clojure, actually) program which is invoked via a bash script. When the script is invoked from the shell, the java program always runs and succeeds. However, when the script is invoked via a cron job, the java program always runs and crashes with a null pointer exception. Any thoughts on how to debug the situation? Same resolution as every other time cron errors come up: cron does NOT run in a shell with an environment. It does not use /etc/profile. You must set up your own environment in your script run from cron. For example, you are likely missing JAVA_HOME and friends. -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
Re: [gentoo-user] Keyword for dev-java/sun-j2ee
On Thursday 11 February 2010 15:19:57 dhk wrote: How do I find out the missing keyword for dev-java/sun-j2ee? I tried dev-java/sun-j2ee ~amd64 java in /etc/portage/package.keywords and tried adding ACCEPT_LICENSE=sun-bcla-j2ee to /etc/make.conf. dev-java/sun-j2ee ~* Below is the output to the emerge. emerge -pv dev-java/sun-j2ee !!! CONFIG_PROTECT is empty These are the packages that would be merged, in order: Calculating dependencies... done! !!! All ebuilds that could satisfy dev-java/sun-j2ee have been masked. !!! One of the following masked packages is required to complete your request: - dev-java/sun-j2ee-1.3.1-r4 (masked by: missing keyword) For more information, see the MASKED PACKAGES section in the emerge man page or refer to the Gentoo Handbook. Thanks, dhk -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
Re: [gentoo-user] Has semantic-desktop really become compulsatory for kmail?
On Thursday 11 February 2010 16:32:02 Dale wrote: Can you nice the thing too? That would work. I set emerge to 5 and I can't even tell that emerge is running most of the time. There may be times when I can but it is rare. I just don't get this thing that indexing is a resource hog. I notice updatedb running at night. I have 329Gbs of data and updatedb only takes a few minutes. How is that a resource hog? My machine is not as old as some but it is slow going by the new machines that are out now. It's a AMD 2500+ with 2Gbs of ram. I have had Linux on machines as slow as 133MHz but never felt the need to disable indexing. No need for any of that. Walter is just being a prick, talking out of a hole in his arse with the some total of truth = 0 Apologies for the French. I cannot resist. Dimwits annoy me greatly. -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
Re: [gentoo-user] Keyword for dev-java/sun-j2ee
Alan McKinnon wrote: On Thursday 11 February 2010 15:19:57 dhk wrote: How do I find out the missing keyword for dev-java/sun-j2ee? I tried dev-java/sun-j2ee ~amd64 java in /etc/portage/package.keywords and tried adding ACCEPT_LICENSE=sun-bcla-j2ee to /etc/make.conf. dev-java/sun-j2ee ~* Below is the output to the emerge. emerge -pv dev-java/sun-j2ee !!! CONFIG_PROTECT is empty These are the packages that would be merged, in order: Calculating dependencies... done! !!! All ebuilds that could satisfy dev-java/sun-j2ee have been masked. !!! One of the following masked packages is required to complete your request: - dev-java/sun-j2ee-1.3.1-r4 (masked by: missing keyword) For more information, see the MASKED PACKAGES section in the emerge man page or refer to the Gentoo Handbook. Thanks, dhk That seems like it should have worked. I tried dev-java/sun-j2ee ~* in /etc/portage/package.keywords but I get the same response. Any more ideas? Thanks, dhk
Re: [gentoo-user] Has semantic-desktop really become compulsatory for kmail?
On Donnerstag 11 Februar 2010, Dale wrote: chrome://messenger/locale/messengercompose/composeMsgs.properties: On Donnerstag 11 Februar 2010, Alan McKinnon wrote: On Thursday 11 February 2010 13:50:54 Walter Dnes wrote: On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 01:31:26AM +0100, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote On Donnerstag 11 Februar 2010, Roy Wright wrote: IMO, mandatory semantic-desktop is a very good reason to find another desktop manager (even after being my primary desktop for 7 years). yeah good luck with that. Because gnome is moving in that direction too. There are other desktops besides GNOME and KDE. Actually I prefer the ICEWM window manager. I was running a 1999 Dell 450mhz PIII with 128 megs of *SYSTEM* ram until the summer of 2007. Let's just say that GNOME and KDE were out of the question for me. On my current desktop, ICEWM flies. But I also have a netbook, and again GNOME and KDE are not usable. Seriously guys, you start sounding like luddites. Is new, must be bad. Correction, is fat, bloated, and slow, must be bad. I wonder if Microsoft's anti-linux strategy is to have its agents infiltrate the linux developer community, and turn linux into bloatware. You have been corrected on this point so many times I now think you are just a stupid ass. It is not slow. You are the only one saying that. People who do use Nepomuk say that it is not slow and does not hog resources (initial scan excepted). you can even tell nepomuk how much memory it is allowed to use ... Can you nice the thing too? That would work. I set emerge to 5 and I can't even tell that emerge is running most of the time. There may be times when I can but it is rare. I just don't get this thing that indexing is a resource hog. I notice updatedb running at night. I have 329Gbs of data and updatedb only takes a few minutes. How is that a resource hog? My machine is not as old as some but it is slow going by the new machines that are out now. It's a AMD 2500+ with 2Gbs of ram. I have had Linux on machines as slow as 133MHz but never felt the need to disable indexing. when updatedb runs your cache is shot afterwards. That is a known problems. Nepomuk is only noticable once: the first indexing run. After that it creates zero load.
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Has semantic-desktop really become compulsatory for kmail?
On 2/11/2010 7:00 AM, Walter Dnes wrote: And if I really wanted a glitzy, bloated, slow-as-molasses, pointy-clicky-touchy-feely-oowee-GUI, I would've stayed with Windows, thank you. I started with Blckbox and am now on ICEWM. So, to summarize: * You don't like modern desktop environment design philosophy * You have no need for all of the convenience and productivity enhancements they provide * You are perfectly happy to use your previous window manager * Your previous window manager continues to work well for you and do everything you require from a window manager, and, * You just really like to complain about things. --Mike
Re: [gentoo-user] Keyword for dev-java/sun-j2ee
On Thursday 11 February 2010 16:56:51 dhk wrote: Alan McKinnon wrote: On Thursday 11 February 2010 15:19:57 dhk wrote: How do I find out the missing keyword for dev-java/sun-j2ee? I tried dev-java/sun-j2ee ~amd64 java in /etc/portage/package.keywords and tried adding ACCEPT_LICENSE=sun-bcla-j2ee to /etc/make.conf. dev-java/sun-j2ee ~* Below is the output to the emerge. emerge -pv dev-java/sun-j2ee !!! CONFIG_PROTECT is empty These are the packages that would be merged, in order: Calculating dependencies... done! !!! All ebuilds that could satisfy dev-java/sun-j2ee have been masked. !!! One of the following masked packages is required to complete your request: - dev-java/sun-j2ee-1.3.1-r4 (masked by: missing keyword) For more information, see the MASKED PACKAGES section in the emerge man page or refer to the Gentoo Handbook. Thanks, dhk That seems like it should have worked. I tried dev-java/sun-j2ee ~* in /etc/portage/package.keywords but I get the same response. Any more ideas? From the ebuild: KEYWORDS=-ppc x86 So for amd64 you would need in packages.keywords: dev-java/sun-j2ee ** That will likely let it install. It might even run afterwards... :-) -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
Re: [gentoo-user] Keyword for dev-java/sun-j2ee
chrome://messenger/locale/messengercompose/composeMsgs.properties: Alan McKinnon wrote: On Thursday 11 February 2010 15:19:57 dhk wrote: How do I find out the missing keyword for dev-java/sun-j2ee? I tried dev-java/sun-j2ee ~amd64 java in /etc/portage/package.keywords and tried adding ACCEPT_LICENSE=sun-bcla-j2ee to /etc/make.conf. dev-java/sun-j2ee ~* Below is the output to the emerge. emerge -pv dev-java/sun-j2ee !!! CONFIG_PROTECT is empty These are the packages that would be merged, in order: Calculating dependencies... done! !!! All ebuilds that could satisfy dev-java/sun-j2ee have been masked. !!! One of the following masked packages is required to complete your request: - dev-java/sun-j2ee-1.3.1-r4 (masked by: missing keyword) For more information, see the MASKED PACKAGES section in the emerge man page or refer to the Gentoo Handbook. Thanks, dhk That seems like it should have worked. I tried dev-java/sun-j2ee ~* in /etc/portage/package.keywords but I get the same response. Any more ideas? Thanks, dhk Have you synced lately? According to mine it is not masked or keyworded and should install without changing anything. I synced last night and I get this: r...@smoker / # equery list -p dev-java/sun-j2ee [ Searching for package 'sun-j2ee' in 'dev-java' among: ] * installed packages * Portage tree (/usr/portage) [-P-] [ ] dev-java/sun-j2ee-1.3.1-r4 (0) [-P-] [ ] dev-java/sun-j2ee-deployment-bin-1.1-r2 (1.1) r...@smoker / # Looks good to go to me. Dale :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] Has semantic-desktop really become compulsatory for kmail?
chrome://messenger/locale/messengercompose/composeMsgs.properties: On Thursday 11 February 2010 16:32:02 Dale wrote: Can you nice the thing too? That would work. I set emerge to 5 and I can't even tell that emerge is running most of the time. There may be times when I can but it is rare. I just don't get this thing that indexing is a resource hog. I notice updatedb running at night. I have 329Gbs of data and updatedb only takes a few minutes. How is that a resource hog? My machine is not as old as some but it is slow going by the new machines that are out now. It's a AMD 2500+ with 2Gbs of ram. I have had Linux on machines as slow as 133MHz but never felt the need to disable indexing. No need for any of that. Walter is just being a prick, talking out of a hole in his arse with the some total of truth = 0 Apologies for the French. I cannot resist. Dimwits annoy me greatly. Maybe he is trying to run Linux on a Vic-20? I think it was a blazing 4MHz or something like that. Seriously tho, the slowest rig I had Linux on was 133MHz. It had some really old slow drives in it, something like 15MBs/sec, and I never saw the need to disable updatedb or other indexing software. It just doesn't use that much. Anything made in the last few years should be able to handle that with no problems. Heck, my 6 year old rig does fine. Dale :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] New application: app-portage/kportagetray
Hello fellow,
Finally KPortageTray was ported to KDE 4.4.
You can install it from kde-orverlay (app-portage/kportagetray).
Regards,
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Ronan Arraes Jardim Chagas
Control and Automation Engineer
Gentoo Foundation Member
Em Qui 07 Jan 2010, às 22:11:10, Neil Bothwick escreveu:
On Thu, 7 Jan 2010 18:05:14 -0200, Ronan Arraes Jardim Chagas wrote:
And I'm attaching tarball and ebuild (80KiB ~) and I would appreciate
if someone test it and give me a feedback :)
% kportagetray
Traceback (most recent call last):
File /usr/bin/kportagetray, line 68, in module
KPortageTray_MainWindow = KPT_MainWindow()
File /usr/share/apps/KPortageTray/KPT_MainWindow.py, line 69, in
__init__ self._dbus = KPT_dbus()
File /usr/share/apps/KPortageTray/KPT_dbus.py, line 38, in __init__
self._notify =
dbus.SessionBus().get_object('org.kde.VisualNotifications',
'/VisualNotifications') File
/usr/lib64/python2.6/site-packages/dbus/bus.py, line 244, in get_object
follow_name_owner_changes=follow_name_owner_changes) File
/usr/lib64/python2.6/site-packages/dbus/proxies.py, line 241, in
__init__ self._named_service = conn.activate_name_owner(bus_name) File
/usr/lib64/python2.6/site-packages/dbus/bus.py, line 183, in
activate_name_owner self.start_service_by_name(bus_name) File
/usr/lib64/python2.6/site-packages/dbus/bus.py, line 281, in
start_service_by_name 'su', (bus_name, flags))) File
/usr/lib64/python2.6/site-packages/dbus/connection.py, line 622, in
call_blocking message, timeout) dbus.exceptions.DBusException:
org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.ServiceUnknown: The name
org.kde.VisualNotifications was not provided by any .service files
Sorry :(
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Re: [gentoo-user] Keyword for dev-java/sun-j2ee
Dale writes: chrome://messenger/locale/messengercompose/composeMsgs.properties: Whoops? Have you synced lately? According to mine it is not masked or keyworded and should install without changing anything. I synced last night and I get this: You're probably running an x86 system, while dhk probably is at amd64. But this is not part of the KEYWORDS line in the ebuild: wo...@weird ~ $ grep KEYWORDS /usr/portage/tree/dev-java/sun-j2ee/sun- j2ee-1.3.1-r4.ebuild KEYWORDS=-ppc x86 Wonko
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Has semantic-desktop really become compulsatory for kmail?
On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 6:01 PM, Jörg Schaible joerg.schai...@gmx.de wrote: Well, in 4.3.x I eliminated it after the first try, because it took so many resources of my machine, that I could not use it for something else. So, you mean, in 4.4.x it takes only a 10% of the resources it took with 4.3.x? LOL, although I really like the idea of the semantic desktop, I rather have a usable machine ... I tried it again in KDE 4.4, and other than virtuoso taking 100% with a bug (I killed it and it behaved normally after that) I didn't experience any extreme load even during the initial indexing. However, I disabled it after a couple hours of indexing because it was already using a few gigabytes of disk and I simply don't find it useful.
Re: [gentoo-user] Keyword for dev-java/sun-j2ee
Dale wrote: chrome://messenger/locale/messengercompose/composeMsgs.properties: Alan McKinnon wrote: On Thursday 11 February 2010 15:19:57 dhk wrote: How do I find out the missing keyword for dev-java/sun-j2ee? I tried dev-java/sun-j2ee ~amd64 java in /etc/portage/package.keywords and tried adding ACCEPT_LICENSE=sun-bcla-j2ee to /etc/make.conf. dev-java/sun-j2ee ~* Below is the output to the emerge. emerge -pv dev-java/sun-j2ee !!! CONFIG_PROTECT is empty These are the packages that would be merged, in order: Calculating dependencies... done! !!! All ebuilds that could satisfy dev-java/sun-j2ee have been masked. !!! One of the following masked packages is required to complete your request: - dev-java/sun-j2ee-1.3.1-r4 (masked by: missing keyword) For more information, see the MASKED PACKAGES section in the emerge man page or refer to the Gentoo Handbook. Thanks, dhk That seems like it should have worked. I tried dev-java/sun-j2ee ~* in /etc/portage/package.keywords but I get the same response. Any more ideas? Thanks, dhk Have you synced lately? According to mine it is not masked or keyworded and should install without changing anything. I synced last night and I get this: r...@smoker / # equery list -p dev-java/sun-j2ee [ Searching for package 'sun-j2ee' in 'dev-java' among: ] * installed packages * Portage tree (/usr/portage) [-P-] [ ] dev-java/sun-j2ee-1.3.1-r4 (0) [-P-] [ ] dev-java/sun-j2ee-deployment-bin-1.1-r2 (1.1) r...@smoker / # Looks good to go to me. Dale :-) :-) I did a sync, but no difference. However, the dev-java/sun-j2ee ** worked after I downloaded j2sdkee-1_3_1-linux.tar.gz . Thanks, dhk
Re: [gentoo-user] Broadcom firmware doesn't work with 2.6.32-r4
Check out http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=304265 and then update to 2.6.32-r5 Cheers Kad On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 11:24 PM, Iain Buchanan iai...@netspace.net.auwrote: Hi collective, I just upgraded from linux-2.6.32-tuxonice-r1 to r4 and my network card no longer works. It is Broadcom Corporation NetXtreme BCM5756ME Gigabit Ethernet PCI Express and previously I've downloaded firmware from http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/dwmw2/linux-firmware-from-kernel.git;a=tree;f=tigon and put it in /lib/firmware/tigon The config option is tg3, built into the kernel. dmesg shows: $ dmesg | grep -i tg3 tg3.c:v3.102 (September 1, 2009) tg3 :09:00.0: PCI INT A - GSI 17 (level, low) - IRQ 17 tg3 :09:00.0: setting latency timer to 64 tg3 :09:00.0: firmware: requesting tigon/tg3_tso.bin tg3: tg3_load_firmware_cpu: Trying to load TX cpu firmware on eth0 which is 5705. tg3: tg3_load_firmware_cpu: Trying to load TX cpu firmware on eth0 which is 5705. I don't know if the last two lines are normally there or not. The firmware at the above link hasn't changed (according to cksum). Google searches only produce the source code, which is pretty but doesn't help. The error detection around the print message hasn't changed since -r1. Any ideas? I'm stuck using wireless, but that's dropping in and out all the time! thanks, -- Iain Buchanan iaindb at netspace dot net dot au Experience is that marvelous thing that enables you recognize a mistake when you make it again. -- Franklin P. Jones
Re: [gentoo-user] How the HAL are you supposed to use these files?
On Thu, 11 Feb 2010 02:31:21 -0500, Walter Dnes wrote: Because nine years ago, Linux desktop software didn't use interprocess communication. Of course things will still work, but not necessarily everything. For example, Network Manager uses D-Bus to tell programs when your Internet connection is available and not, so your mail client goes into offline mode rather than pointlessly trying to access your mailbox. KDE4 uses it quite extensively, ust as KDE3 used DCOP. There is too much solution-in-search-of-a-problem here. Hardly, IPC is harrdly new, the amiga was doing ti 25 years ago and shortly after that it became available to user scripts. XMMS followed the original Unix philosophy... it did one thing did it right, namely playing audio. Yes, and if you have a number of programs, each doing one job only, they need to be able to communicate in order to do the larger job. Imagine a building site where the bricklayers, plasterers, electricians an plumbers didn't talk to each other or the project manager. In a shall, pipes can be used for IPC, but that doesn't work on a desktop so something else was needed. This has always been true, all that is new(ish) is that D-Bus is now the something else, and it is a global standard. DCOP was good, but it only worked with KDE programs, D-Bus means that your system is just that and not a bunch of programs each going their own way, ignoring each other and duplicating effort. If you want an OS like that, I hear they produce one in Redmond. -- Neil Bothwick If it isn't broken, I can fix it. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Adding dependencies in init scripts
On Thu, 11 Feb 2010 13:15:04 +0100, Damian wrote:
I found this by looking in the cups init script. It should help.
depend() {
use net
need avahi-daemon dbus
before nfs
after logger
}
I've tried putting after mpdscribble without success. Also the
problem with this approach is that if I update mpd, I will have to
modify the init script again.
That only means that is mdscribble is in the runlevel, start mpd after
it. Try need mpdscribble. The handbook and one of the man pages explain
these options.
You can add /etc/init.d to CONFIG_PROTECT and remove it from
CONFIG_PROTECT_MASK in make.conf.
Or you could remove mpd from the default runlevel and call both the init
scripts from /etc/conf.d/local.
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You are a completely unique individual, just like everybody else.
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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Has semantic-desktop really become compulsatory for kmail?
On Thu, 11 Feb 2010 07:00:27 -0500, Walter Dnes wrote: Yes, I can organize my files to the point where I rarely ever use find. Just because you can't, is not a reason to slow down everybody else's desktop. Is this ignorance or FUD? It must be FUD because it has already been stated countless times in this thread that this service can be switched off. -- Neil Bothwick I typed Format SER: and accidentally killed a telephone operator! signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Cron, bash, and java interacting badly?
On Thu, 11 Feb 2010 16:35:03 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: You must set up your own environment in your script run from cron. For example, you are likely missing JAVA_HOME and friends. source /etc/profile at the top of the script often works. -- Neil Bothwick If at first you don't succeed, skydiving is not for you. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
[gentoo-user] in-memory database
Hi all, I am looking for an open source in-memory database for data mining purpose. I have tried to look into /usr/portage/dev-db/ and have not found any in-memory package. Any suggestion? Thanks in advance Hung
Re: [gentoo-user] in-memory database
On Thursday 11 February 2010 20:27:15 Hung Dang wrote: Hi all, I am looking for an open source in-memory database for data mining purpose. I have tried to look into /usr/portage/dev-db/ and have not found any in-memory package. Any suggestion? Thanks in advance Hung What kind of database are you looking for? There is several ways of in-memory db: Berkley DB, native languages hash tables and etc
[gentoo-user] Uh Oh!! Made the contents of my directory unreadable
With this command or similar, I made my directory and one file in /
unreadable:
for entry in $(find $HOME); do $entry found; done
the same of output for ls is similar:
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Any ideas on how to fix this?
Re: [gentoo-user] Uh Oh!! Made the contents of my directory unreadable
On Thursday 11 February 2010 19:58:25 ubiquitous1980 wrote:
With this command or similar, I made my directory and one file in /
unreadable:
for entry in $(find $HOME); do $entry found; done
the same of output for ls is similar:
-k?x?B?{U?I?3s??
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?^8?O?
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Any ideas on how to fix this?
Is the output given from the same shell session in which you ran the command?
Switch to a text console (Ctrl-Alt-Fx) and ls things there, perhaps the
garbage dumped to the screen in your for simply upset the terminal emulation.
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Re: [gentoo-user] in-memory database
Hi Alexander, Thanks a lot for your quick reply. I just start my project then I might have to try some in-memory dbs and see which one is suitable for my application. Thanks Hung On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 10:50 AM, Alexander b3n...@yandex.ru wrote: On Thursday 11 February 2010 20:27:15 Hung Dang wrote: Hi all, I am looking for an open source in-memory database for data mining purpose. I have tried to look into /usr/portage/dev-db/ and have not found any in-memory package. Any suggestion? Thanks in advance Hung What kind of database are you looking for? There is several ways of in-memory db: Berkley DB, native languages hash tables and etc -- Hung Dang New Mexico State University
Re: [gentoo-user] Keyword for dev-java/sun-j2ee
On Thursday 11 February 2010 18:09:33 Alex Schuster wrote: Dale writes: chrome://messenger/locale/messengercompose/composeMsgs.properties: Whoops? SeaMonkey. Dale has his eyes set on holding the world record to be the last KDE-3.5 user left standing with the longest continual uptime for any app from the Mozilla stable. This is a worthy goal. He deserves our support. Without us, the title will likely go to some SuSE user. -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
Re: [gentoo-user] in-memory database
On 11 Feb, Hung Dang wrote: Hi all, I am looking for an open source in-memory database for data mining purpose. I have tried to look into /usr/portage/dev-db/ and have not found any in-memory package. Any suggestion? You might use dev-db/sqlite and put its files on a tmpfs directory. Helmut. -- Helmut Jarausch Lehrstuhl fuer Numerische Mathematik RWTH - Aachen University D 52056 Aachen, Germany
Re: [gentoo-user] Uh Oh!! Made the contents of my directory unreadable
On Thu, 11 Feb 2010 20:18:29 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: Switch to a text console (Ctrl-Alt-Fx) and ls things there, perhaps the garbage dumped to the screen in your for simply upset the terminal emulation. In which case, running reset in the affected terminal should clear it. -- Neil Bothwick Bookmark - A means of returning to where you got lost last time. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Keyword for dev-java/sun-j2ee
On Thu, 11 Feb 2010 20:28:55 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: Dale has his eyes set on holding the world record to be the last KDE-3.5 user left standing with the longest continual uptime for any app from the Mozilla stable. This is a worthy goal. He deserves our support. Without us, the title will likely go to some SuSE user. I was going to suggest that would be a Debian stable user, but they're probably still on KDE 2. -- Neil Bothwick The best things in life are free, but the expensive ones are still worth a look. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] in-memory database
On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 1:45 PM, Helmut Jarausch jarau...@igpm.rwth-aachen.de wrote: On 11 Feb, Hung Dang wrote: Hi all, I am looking for an open source in-memory database for data mining purpose. I have tried to look into /usr/portage/dev-db/ and have not found any in-memory package. Any suggestion? You might use dev-db/sqlite and put its files on a tmpfs directory. Helmut. -- Helmut Jarausch Lehrstuhl fuer Numerische Mathematik RWTH - Aachen University D 52056 Aachen, Germany Or, even, just use SQLite's support for in-memory databases... a little about that's here: http://www.sqlite.org/cvstrac/wiki?p=InMemoryDatabase -- Poison [BLX] Joshua M. Murphy
Re: [gentoo-user] in-memory database
Helmut Jarausch wrote: On 11 Feb, Hung Dang wrote: Hi all, I am looking for an open source in-memory database for data mining purpose. I have tried to look into /usr/portage/dev-db/ and have not found any in-memory package. Any suggestion? You might use dev-db/sqlite and put its files on a tmpfs directory. Helmut. SQLITE supports holding a database in memory. I never did it in python, but in PHP if you put memory in the connect string rather than a filename, the database will reside solely in RAM. As this is a sqlite feature rather than a PHP feature, it should work under python as well (but I've never done it, so I don't know the syntax). Ognjen.
Re: [gentoo-user] Keyword for dev-java/sun-j2ee
dhk wrote: Dale wrote: chrome://messenger/locale/messengercompose/composeMsgs.properties: Alan McKinnon wrote: On Thursday 11 February 2010 15:19:57 dhk wrote: How do I find out the missing keyword for dev-java/sun-j2ee? I tried dev-java/sun-j2ee ~amd64 java in /etc/portage/package.keywords and tried adding ACCEPT_LICENSE=sun-bcla-j2ee to /etc/make.conf. dev-java/sun-j2ee ~* Below is the output to the emerge. emerge -pv dev-java/sun-j2ee !!! CONFIG_PROTECT is empty These are the packages that would be merged, in order: Calculating dependencies... done! !!! All ebuilds that could satisfy dev-java/sun-j2ee have been masked. !!! One of the following masked packages is required to complete your request: - dev-java/sun-j2ee-1.3.1-r4 (masked by: missing keyword) For more information, see the MASKED PACKAGES section in the emerge man page or refer to the Gentoo Handbook. Thanks, dhk That seems like it should have worked. I tried dev-java/sun-j2ee ~* in /etc/portage/package.keywords but I get the same response. Any more ideas? Thanks, dhk Have you synced lately? According to mine it is not masked or keyworded and should install without changing anything. I synced last night and I get this: r...@smoker / # equery list -p dev-java/sun-j2ee [ Searching for package 'sun-j2ee' in 'dev-java' among: ] * installed packages * Portage tree (/usr/portage) [-P-] [ ] dev-java/sun-j2ee-1.3.1-r4 (0) [-P-] [ ] dev-java/sun-j2ee-deployment-bin-1.1-r2 (1.1) r...@smoker / # Looks good to go to me. Dale :-) :-) I did a sync, but no difference. However, the dev-java/sun-j2ee ** worked after I downloaded j2sdkee-1_3_1-linux.tar.gz . Thanks, dhk Another question about this. Where's a good place to set J2EE_HOME (/opt/sun-j2ee-1.3.1/) and JAVA_HOME? Should it be in each user's profile? If I wanted to set them globally for all users should they go in /etc/profile ? Also when starting j2ee I get the following error. # /opt/sun-j2ee-1.3.1/bin/j2ee -verbose /opt/sun-j2ee-1.3.1/bin/j2ee: line 14: /opt/sun-j2ee-1.3.1//bin/java: No such file or directory Is there another java package I need to install? /bin/java doesn't exist. Thanks, dhk
Re: [gentoo-user] Uh Oh!! Made the contents of my directory unreadable
On Thursday 11 February 2010 18:18:29 Alan McKinnon wrote: perhaps the garbage dumped to the screen in your for simply upset the terminal emulation. ...in which case, perhaps typing RESET in the terminal will help. -- Rgds Peter.
[gentoo-user] Upside/downside to including config files in quickpkg?
Can someone comment on why I do or do not want to include config files when making quickpkg files? Seems like there is the issue of hand edits being saved which would be a good reason to keep them. I'm not overly worried about someone stealing them and getting access to settings, but I can see that might be a good reason not to. If I don't save them and then after a crash want to use binary packages to get a machine running quickly it seems like I'd want to include everything I could. What would the more experienced user do for the single-user desktop type user? Thanks, Mark
Re: [gentoo-user] Upside/downside to including config files in quickpkg?
On Thursday 11 February 2010 22:09:28 Mark Knecht wrote: Can someone comment on why I do or do not want to include config files when making quickpkg files? Seems like there is the issue of hand edits being saved which would be a good reason to keep them. I'm not overly worried about someone stealing them and getting access to settings, but I can see that might be a good reason not to. If I don't save them and then after a crash want to use binary packages to get a machine running quickly it seems like I'd want to include everything I could. What would the more experienced user do for the single-user desktop type user? The config of the package you quickpkg'ed likely works. emerge -k is most often used to revert your own mistakes, so you want the thing to work. Your latest configs are suspect, why insist they take priority? You can always rename them to name.bak if you think they might get nuked. Why do you care if someone steals your quickpkgs? Put them in a directory owned by root, they are then as safe as your stuff in /etc. To get to the tarballs, they must get to a place where they can just read the originals -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
Re: [gentoo-user] Keyword for dev-java/sun-j2ee
On Thursday 11 February 2010 22:06:50 dhk wrote: Another question about this. Where's a good place to set J2EE_HOME (/opt/sun-j2ee-1.3.1/) and JAVA_HOME? Should it be in each user's profile? If I wanted to set them globally for all users should they go in /etc/profile ? How many users use it? One? Put it in their profile. Many? put it in the system profile. This is not a decision peculiar to j2ee, you must make the identical decision for hundreds of packages - same principles apply. Or you could use the absurd method Sybase uses, but we won't go there now... Also when starting j2ee I get the following error. # /opt/sun-j2ee-1.3.1/bin/j2ee -verbose /opt/sun-j2ee-1.3.1/bin/j2ee: line 14: /opt/sun-j2ee-1.3.1//bin/java: No such file or directory Is there another java package I need to install? /bin/java doesn't exist. I'm not surprised. it's not /bin/java it's /opt/sun-j2ee-1.3.1/bin/java an entirely different thing. When I last played with j2ee, the package from Sun did not have a JVM, you had to install that first. You probably need to install a jdk or jvm, which is odd as that should be a DEPEND. If you do have a jdk or jvm, you need a symlink: ln -s /usr/bin/java /opt/sun-j2ee-1.3.1/bin/java -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
Re: [gentoo-user] Uh Oh!! Made the contents of my directory unreadable
On Thursday 11 February 2010 21:47:33 Neil Bothwick wrote: On Thu, 11 Feb 2010 20:18:29 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: Switch to a text console (Ctrl-Alt-Fx) and ls things there, perhaps the garbage dumped to the screen in your for simply upset the terminal emulation. In which case, running reset in the affected terminal should clear it. Every time I've tried to tell people to do that, they tell me they can't do it because %#!*^ obviously is not a valid command. I've given up explaining :-) -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
Re: [gentoo-user] Upside/downside to including config files in quickpkg?
On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 12:24 PM, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: On Thursday 11 February 2010 22:09:28 Mark Knecht wrote: Can someone comment on why I do or do not want to include config files when making quickpkg files? Seems like there is the issue of hand edits being saved which would be a good reason to keep them. I'm not overly worried about someone stealing them and getting access to settings, but I can see that might be a good reason not to. If I don't save them and then after a crash want to use binary packages to get a machine running quickly it seems like I'd want to include everything I could. What would the more experienced user do for the single-user desktop type user? The config of the package you quickpkg'ed likely works. emerge -k is most often used to revert your own mistakes, so you want the thing to work. Your latest configs are suspect, why insist they take priority? You can always rename them to name.bak if you think they might get nuked. Why do you care if someone steals your quickpkgs? Put them in a directory owned by root, they are then as safe as your stuff in /etc. To get to the tarballs, they must get to a place where they can just read the originals Thanks Alan. That confirms what I was thinking. My comment about things getting stolen is that I might burn them to DVD for safe keeping in which case anyone can walk off with the DVD. I'm not overly worried about that and it's far and away less of an issue than getting the machine back to a running state. Cheers, Mark
Re: [gentoo-user] Upside/downside to including config files in quickpkg?
On Thursday 11 February 2010 22:37:00 Mark Knecht wrote: On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 12:24 PM, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: On Thursday 11 February 2010 22:09:28 Mark Knecht wrote: Can someone comment on why I do or do not want to include config files when making quickpkg files? Seems like there is the issue of hand edits being saved which would be a good reason to keep them. I'm not overly worried about someone stealing them and getting access to settings, but I can see that might be a good reason not to. If I don't save them and then after a crash want to use binary packages to get a machine running quickly it seems like I'd want to include everything I could. What would the more experienced user do for the single-user desktop type user? The config of the package you quickpkg'ed likely works. emerge -k is most often used to revert your own mistakes, so you want the thing to work. Your latest configs are suspect, why insist they take priority? You can always rename them to name.bak if you think they might get nuked. Why do you care if someone steals your quickpkgs? Put them in a directory owned by root, they are then as safe as your stuff in /etc. To get to the tarballs, they must get to a place where they can just read the originals Thanks Alan. That confirms what I was thinking. My comment about things getting stolen is that I might burn them to DVD for safe keeping in which case anyone can walk off with the DVD. I'm not overly worried about that and it's far and away less of an issue than getting the machine back to a running state. OK, I see. As long as you know which configs have password in them and take precautions, you should be OK. For the truly paranoid (and there will be someone who is validly so) another option is to store /etc in a remote SVN instance that is secured, and not store configs with the quickpkgs -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Has semantic-desktop really become compulsatory for kmail?
On Feb 11, 2010, at 11:02 AM, Neil Bothwick wrote: On Thu, 11 Feb 2010 07:00:27 -0500, Walter Dnes wrote: Yes, I can organize my files to the point where I rarely ever use find. Just because you can't, is not a reason to slow down everybody else's desktop. Is this ignorance or FUD? It must be FUD because it has already been stated countless times in this thread that this service can be switched off. Just to come full circle, the thread started because the kmail is now requiring the semantic-desktop USE flag. So the consensus seems to be that if you use kmail, then you have to compile the semantic desktop features, then go back and turn off using the semantic desktop.
[gentoo-user] Re: Keyword for dev-java/sun-j2ee
On 02/11/2010 12:06 PM, dhk wrote: Where's a good place to set J2EE_HOME (/opt/sun-j2ee-1.3.1/) and JAVA_HOME? Should it be in each user's profile? If I wanted to set them globally for all users should they go in /etc/profile ? Also when starting j2ee I get the following error. # /opt/sun-j2ee-1.3.1/bin/j2ee -verbose /opt/sun-j2ee-1.3.1/bin/j2ee: line 14: /opt/sun-j2ee-1.3.1//bin/java: No such file or directory Is there another java package I need to install? /bin/java doesn't exist. You might want to look at dev-java/java-config, which creates some important symlinks for you if/when you want to switch between java versions. Or even if you don't switch between versions.
Re: [gentoo-user] Adding dependencies in init scripts
Am Donnerstag 11 Februar 2010 18:00:09 schrieb Neil Bothwick:
On Thu, 11 Feb 2010 13:15:04 +0100, Damian wrote:
I found this by looking in the cups init script. It should help.
depend() {
use net
need avahi-daemon dbus
before nfs
after logger
}
I've tried putting after mpdscribble without success. Also the
problem with this approach is that if I update mpd, I will have to
modify the init script again.
That only means that is mdscribble is in the runlevel, start mpd after
it. Try need mpdscribble. The handbook and one of the man pages explain
these options.
You can add /etc/init.d to CONFIG_PROTECT and remove it from
CONFIG_PROTECT_MASK in make.conf.
Or you could remove mpd from the default runlevel and call both the init
scripts from /etc/conf.d/local.
Nope. Lookup /etc/rc.conf:
##
# SERVICE CONFIGURATION VARIABLES
# These variables are documented here, but should be configured in
# /etc/conf.d/foo for service foo and NOT enabled here unless you
# really want them to work on a global basis.
# Some daemons are started and stopped via start-stop-daemon.
# We can set some things on a per service basis, like the nicelevel.
#export SSD_NICELEVEL=-19
# Pass ulimit parameters
#rc_ulimit=-u 30
# It's possible to define extra dependencies for services like so
#rc_config=/etc/foo
#rc_need=openvpn
#rc_use=net.eth0
#rc_after=clock
#rc_before=local
#rc_provide=!net
# You can also enable the above commands here for each service. Below is an
# example for service foo.
#rc_foo_config=/etc/foo
#rc_foo_need=openvpn
#rc_foo_after=clock
# You can also remove dependencies.
# This is mainly used for saying which servies do NOT provide net.
#rc_net_tap0_provide=!net
HTH...
Dirk
Re: [gentoo-user] Upside/downside to including config files in quickpkg?
On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 12:49 PM, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: On Thursday 11 February 2010 22:37:00 Mark Knecht wrote: On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 12:24 PM, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: On Thursday 11 February 2010 22:09:28 Mark Knecht wrote: Can someone comment on why I do or do not want to include config files when making quickpkg files? Seems like there is the issue of hand edits being saved which would be a good reason to keep them. I'm not overly worried about someone stealing them and getting access to settings, but I can see that might be a good reason not to. If I don't save them and then after a crash want to use binary packages to get a machine running quickly it seems like I'd want to include everything I could. What would the more experienced user do for the single-user desktop type user? The config of the package you quickpkg'ed likely works. emerge -k is most often used to revert your own mistakes, so you want the thing to work. Your latest configs are suspect, why insist they take priority? You can always rename them to name.bak if you think they might get nuked. Why do you care if someone steals your quickpkgs? Put them in a directory owned by root, they are then as safe as your stuff in /etc. To get to the tarballs, they must get to a place where they can just read the originals Thanks Alan. That confirms what I was thinking. My comment about things getting stolen is that I might burn them to DVD for safe keeping in which case anyone can walk off with the DVD. I'm not overly worried about that and it's far and away less of an issue than getting the machine back to a running state. OK, I see. As long as you know which configs have password in them and take precautions, you should be OK. For the truly paranoid (and there will be someone who is validly so) another option is to store /etc in a remote SVN instance that is secured, and not store configs with the quickpkgs Thanks. Like I said originally I'm not worried about it but at least you understood why I asked. One thing I haven't found so far is what to put in make.conf to get the buildpkg feature to include the configs. It's easy at the command line. Where's the documentation on how to actually use this the right way automatically? - Mark
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Has semantic-desktop really become compulsatory for kmail?
On Thu, 11 Feb 2010 21:55:23 +0100, Roy Wright r...@wright.org wrote: On Feb 11, 2010, at 11:02 AM, Neil Bothwick wrote: On Thu, 11 Feb 2010 07:00:27 -0500, Walter Dnes wrote: Yes, I can organize my files to the point where I rarely ever use find. Just because you can't, is not a reason to slow down everybody else's desktop. Is this ignorance or FUD? It must be FUD because it has already been stated countless times in this thread that this service can be switched off. Just to come full circle, the thread started because the kmail is now requiring the semantic-desktop USE flag. So the consensus seems to be that if you use kmail, then you have to compile the semantic desktop features, then go back and turn off using the semantic desktop. Agreed, this thead seems to have been blown out of proportion really. One thing is if you install a fullblown DE, then having semantic-desktop is fine, it's also fine that the DE forces you to build it, being that it can be turned off. However I think that random apps that are a part of the DE, but can be deselected, shouldn't have to force the users into building anything that the DE requires. It just seems silly that if you want to use the newest version of kate, kmail etc. that semantic-desktop is forced upon you, when you're not interested in having the entire DE. That's just my take on it anyway. -- Zeerak
Re: [gentoo-user] How the HAL are you supposed to use these files?
On Thu, 11 Feb 2010 09:05:46 +0100, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: On Thursday 11 February 2010 09:31:21 Walter Dnes wrote: On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 02:18:43PM +, Neil Bothwick wrote On Wed, 10 Feb 2010 07:57:57 -0500, Walter Dnes wrote: but D-Bus provides a standard way for applications to communicate with one another and removing it can stop your desktop working as it should. Then how did things manage to work on my systems for the past 9 years, pray tell? Because nine years ago, Linux desktop software didn't use interprocess communication. Of course things will still work, but not necessarily everything. For example, Network Manager uses D-Bus to tell programs when your Internet connection is available and not, so your mail client goes into offline mode rather than pointlessly trying to access your mailbox. KDE4 uses it quite extensively, ust as KDE3 used DCOP. There is too much solution-in-search-of-a-problem here. XMMS followed the original Unix philosophy... it did one thing did it right, namely playing audio. Unfortunately, XMMS was hard-coded to use a now obsolete GTK library. Unfortunately, that's analogous to a business employing 5 people, all of whom do their own thing all the time with no inter-person communication and no co- ordination. Perhaps they might scribble a note on a white board once a day, but that's about it. The successor to XMMS is Audacious. It seems to subscribe to the Microsoft philosophy, and tries to do everything under the sun, and pretends it's a server, which requires dbus. Is it *REALLY* necessary? I used XMMS to play mp3's and Live365.com. I ended up switching to mpg123 for both functions when XMMS was dropped, and then to the Flash player for Live365. I emerged Audacious, but unmerged it when I saw the post-install warning that said not to submit any Audacious bug reports if I don't have dbus installed. Modern desktops are integrated, because that's what users want. Any two apps should be able to inter-communicate wherever that communication makes sense. Example: You have any old arbitrary email client. A mail contains a URL. Click it. The URL should open in your preferred browser, whatever that should be. Please note that any email client should support launching any browser, whether the dev built in support for it or not. Yes, I know there are the xdg* scripts, but tally up the number of things a user would want to work like this, tally up the number of scripts in the infinite number of locations this will take, and then ask the user to pick one. Example: Notifications. I have 3 (yes, three!!) kinds of popups that show up here daily. There's KDE's system which is the majority of them, some GTK apps throw popups in the top right corner where I don't want them and them then there's Skype which does it's own thing. God, you gotta love proprietary sekrit apps /sarcasm. The solution is a notification service, apps send their notifications to it and the service does whatever the user configured it to do with the notification. Note that the user is in control here, the user says what happens with popups and does it in one central place and the apps does one thing and one thing only with it's notifications: sends them. It's like syslogger, letting the app concentrate on it's real purpose (which is not logging, and definitely is not making sure it doesn't clobber log files from any other apps that might be running). See where this is going? Do you need a hundred more examples? When you have arbitrary, unknown (at install time) sources of data that may interoperate with other arbitrary, unknown (at install time) sinks of data, good data modelling says that a known broker of data should sit in the middle, which is generic enough for anything to be able to use it. And the transport for that is dbus. Just to bring this back to your original statement of Unix philosophy. IPC on modern desktops conforms exactly to the Unix philosophy. Apps were moving away from that and were becoming IM clients cum custom loggers cum notifiers cum insert any other crap here. Standardized IPC is moving back TOWARDS the Unix philosophy, not away from it. Apps can now concentrate on their core function, and hand over the integration aspects to something else dedicated to IPC and nothing else. The apps now merely does the minimum required to hand over data to the service via a messaging bus. Which if you look at it in that light, is EXACTLY the same rationale as a syslogger. Do you use a syslogger? Why? If you don;t like all this integration stuff, and you have every right to not like it, then you should uninstall KDE and use Openbox (or similar lightweight WM). These WMs exist for users that do not want desktop integration. One thing you cannot have is the latest KDE without it's integration features. True, but even those using Openbox,
Re: [gentoo-user] Keyword for dev-java/sun-j2ee
Alan McKinnon wrote: On Thursday 11 February 2010 22:06:50 dhk wrote: Another question about this. Where's a good place to set J2EE_HOME (/opt/sun-j2ee-1.3.1/) and JAVA_HOME? Should it be in each user's profile? If I wanted to set them globally for all users should they go in /etc/profile ? How many users use it? One? Put it in their profile. Many? put it in the system profile. This is not a decision peculiar to j2ee, you must make the identical decision for hundreds of packages - same principles apply. Or you could use the absurd method Sybase uses, but we won't go there now... Also when starting j2ee I get the following error. # /opt/sun-j2ee-1.3.1/bin/j2ee -verbose /opt/sun-j2ee-1.3.1/bin/j2ee: line 14: /opt/sun-j2ee-1.3.1//bin/java: No such file or directory Is there another java package I need to install? /bin/java doesn't exist. I'm not surprised. it's not /bin/java it's /opt/sun-j2ee-1.3.1/bin/java an entirely different thing. When I last played with j2ee, the package from Sun did not have a JVM, you had to install that first. You probably need to install a jdk or jvm, which is odd as that should be a DEPEND. If you do have a jdk or jvm, you need a symlink: ln -s /usr/bin/java /opt/sun-j2ee-1.3.1/bin/java I think it's almost working. My /usr/bin/java was linked to run-java-tool, don't know what that is. # ll /usr/bin/java lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 13 Feb 11 11:20 /usr/bin/java - run-java-tool I installed a jdk emerge dev-java/sun-jdk Removed the /usr/bin/java sym link and made another to the newly installed java. ln -s /opt/sun-jdk-1.6.0.18/bin/java /usr/bin/java I set some environment variables. export J2EE_HOME=/opt/sun-j2ee-1.3.1/ export JAVA_HOME=/opt/sun-jdk-1.6.0.18 Then reinstalled j2ee emerge dev-java/sun-j2ee Tried starting j2ee /opt/sun-j2ee-1.3.1/bin/j2ee -verbose Checked processes, but no j2ee was running. Then looked at the error log. Looks like it can't find this com.sun... directory. # cat /opt/sun-j2ee-1.3.1/logs/dhcppc3/j2ee/j2ee/system.err Logging for J2EE Server Version: 1.3.1-b17 started at: Thu Feb 11 16:44:31 EST 2010.. Using the Java HotSpot(TM) 64-Bit Server VM and the version number 1.6.0_18 from Sun Microsystems Inc.. VM is using the classpath: /opt/sun-j2ee-1.3.1/lib/system/cloudscape.jar:/opt/sun-j2ee-1.3.1/lib/system/cloudutil.jar:/opt/sun-j2ee-1.3.1/lib/cloudscape/RmiJdbc.jar:/opt/sun-j2ee-1.3.1/lib/cloudscape/cloudclient.jar:/opt/sun-j2ee-1.3.1/lib/classes:/opt/sun-j2ee-1.3.1/classes:/opt/sun-j2ee-1.3.1/lib/j2ee.jar:/opt/sun-j2ee-1.3.1/lib/toolclasses:/opt/sun-j2ee-1.3.1/lib/j2eetools.jar:/opt/sun-j2ee-1.3.1/lib/locale::/opt/sun-jdk-1.6.0.18/lib/tools.jar:/opt/sun-j2ee-1.3.1/lib/jhall.jar . J2EE Home Directory has been set to: /opt/sun-j2ee-1.3.1. Exception in thread main java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError: com/sun/corba/se/internal/util/IdentityHashtable at com.sun.corba.ee.internal.javax.rmi.CORBA.Util.clinit(Util.java:87) at com.sun.corba.ee.internal.POA.POAImpl.activate(POAImpl.java:935) at com.sun.corba.ee.internal.POA.POAImpl.activate_object(POAImpl.java:895) at com.sun.corba.ee.internal.CosNaming.TransientNameService.initialize(TransientNameService.java:117) at com.sun.corba.ee.internal.CosNaming.TransientNameService.init(TransientNameService.java:70) at com.sun.enterprise.iiop.POAProtocolMgr.initializeNaming(POAProtocolMgr.java:103) at com.sun.enterprise.server.J2EEServer.run(J2EEServer.java:226) at com.sun.enterprise.server.J2EEServer.main(J2EEServer.java:972) Caused by: java.lang.ClassNotFoundException: com.sun.corba.se.internal.util.IdentityHashtable at java.net.URLClassLoader$1.run(URLClassLoader.java:202) at java.security.AccessController.doPrivileged(Native Method) at java.net.URLClassLoader.findClass(URLClassLoader.java:190) at java.lang.ClassLoader.loadClass(ClassLoader.java:307) at sun.misc.Launcher$AppClassLoader.loadClass(Launcher.java:301) at java.lang.ClassLoader.loadClass(ClassLoader.java:248) ... 8 more Logging for J2EE Server Version: 1.3.1-b17 started at: Thu Feb 11 17:03:04 EST 2010.. Using the Java HotSpot(TM) 64-Bit Server VM and the version number 1.6.0_18 from Sun Microsystems Inc.. VM is using the classpath: /opt/sun-j2ee-1.3.1/lib/system/cloudscape.jar:/opt/sun-j2ee-1.3.1/lib/system/cloudutil.jar:/opt/sun-j2ee-1.3.1/lib/cloudscape/RmiJdbc.jar:/opt/sun-j2ee-1.3.1/lib/cloudscape/cloudclient.jar:/opt/sun-j2ee-1.3.1/lib/classes:/opt/sun-j2ee-1.3.1/classes:/opt/sun-j2ee-1.3.1/lib/j2ee.jar:/opt/sun-j2ee-1.3.1/lib/toolclasses:/opt/sun-j2ee-1.3.1/lib/j2eetools.jar:/opt/sun-j2ee-1.3.1/lib/locale::/opt/sun-jdk-1.6.0.18/lib/tools.jar:/opt/sun-j2ee-1.3.1/lib/jhall.jar . J2EE Home Directory has been set to: /opt/sun-j2ee-1.3.1. Exception in thread main java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError: com/sun/corba/se/internal/util/IdentityHashtable at
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Keyword for dev-java/sun-j2ee
walt wrote: On 02/11/2010 12:06 PM, dhk wrote: Where's a good place to set J2EE_HOME (/opt/sun-j2ee-1.3.1/) and JAVA_HOME? Should it be in each user's profile? If I wanted to set them globally for all users should they go in /etc/profile ? Also when starting j2ee I get the following error. # /opt/sun-j2ee-1.3.1/bin/j2ee -verbose /opt/sun-j2ee-1.3.1/bin/j2ee: line 14: /opt/sun-j2ee-1.3.1//bin/java: No such file or directory Is there another java package I need to install? /bin/java doesn't exist. You might want to look at dev-java/java-config, which creates some important symlinks for you if/when you want to switch between java versions. Or even if you don't switch between versions. thanks, this looks useful.
Re: [gentoo-user] Upside/downside to including config files in quickpkg?
On Donnerstag 11 Februar 2010, Mark Knecht wrote: On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 12:49 PM, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: On Thursday 11 February 2010 22:37:00 Mark Knecht wrote: On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 12:24 PM, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: On Thursday 11 February 2010 22:09:28 Mark Knecht wrote: Can someone comment on why I do or do not want to include config files when making quickpkg files? Seems like there is the issue of hand edits being saved which would be a good reason to keep them. I'm not overly worried about someone stealing them and getting access to settings, but I can see that might be a good reason not to. If I don't save them and then after a crash want to use binary packages to get a machine running quickly it seems like I'd want to include everything I could. What would the more experienced user do for the single-user desktop type user? The config of the package you quickpkg'ed likely works. emerge -k is most often used to revert your own mistakes, so you want the thing to work. Your latest configs are suspect, why insist they take priority? You can always rename them to name.bak if you think they might get nuked. Why do you care if someone steals your quickpkgs? Put them in a directory owned by root, they are then as safe as your stuff in /etc. To get to the tarballs, they must get to a place where they can just read the originals Thanks Alan. That confirms what I was thinking. My comment about things getting stolen is that I might burn them to DVD for safe keeping in which case anyone can walk off with the DVD. I'm not overly worried about that and it's far and away less of an issue than getting the machine back to a running state. OK, I see. As long as you know which configs have password in them and take precautions, you should be OK. For the truly paranoid (and there will be someone who is validly so) another option is to store /etc in a remote SVN instance that is secured, and not store configs with the quickpkgs Thanks. Like I said originally I'm not worried about it but at least you understood why I asked. One thing I haven't found so far is what to put in make.conf to get the buildpkg feature to include the configs. It's easy at the command line. Where's the documentation on how to actually use this the right way automatically? - Mark when you use buildpkg feature the packages contain the virgin unedited configs as they are installed by the package and not any edits done by you.
Re: [gentoo-user] How the HAL are you supposed to use these files?
On Thursday 11 February 2010 23:40:37 Zeerak Waseem wrote: True, but even those using Openbox, icewm, etc. were introduced to the mess that HAL is, and also to dbus. Sure you can choose not to have hal/dbus/*kit, but then you also choose not to use a growing number of apps that seem to depend on it. The way I see it, they should be optional features. If you've got the useflags set, great. If not, then it'll still be able to compile and run. And what exactly is the problem with dbus? At 2MB, it's one of the smallest apps on my notebook. It's memory usage is miniscule, I have to invoke magic to get it to show up in top. All I hear from the anti-dbus crowd is complaints that it's there and not a single shred of evidence, fact or numbers anywhere to back up why it might be a bad thing. Let's rather all sit down and add up the the potential code and resource REDUCTION from dbus due to duplicated functionality being removed from multiple apps. Complaints that reduce to it's there now and it wasn't there before cannot be valid for that reason alone - inotify is there now and wasn't there before, the resource reduction from it's being added is miniscule compared to the amount of polling we now do not have to do. Many other examples exist. hal is different and in a category of it's own; it's resource usage is very small but the developer screwed up by making it complex for users (for the machine it's actually quite simple). We can fix that, and are - udev. I don't see anyone complaining about it being there now and not being there before. Anyone remember what came before udev? Who remembers trying to figure out devfs? Or MKNODE? Do keep in mind that even simple WMs use some form of IPC (well, maybe twm doesn't). The dev has various schemes he can use from pipes on the command line to named pipes and fifos, or he can use a message bus. Personally, I'd go with the latter even if only becuase somebody else with a proven track record is maintaining it (so I don't have to) -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
Re: [gentoo-user] Keyword for dev-java/sun-j2ee
On Friday 12 February 2010 00:10:06 dhk wrote: My /usr/bin/java was linked to run-java-tool, don't know what that is. # ll /usr/bin/java lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 13 Feb 11 11:20 /usr/bin/java - run-java-tool That's correct. It's a man-in-the-middle thing installed by the java configurator, it makes life easy when switching between various java versions I installed a jdk emerge dev-java/sun-jdk Removed the /usr/bin/java sym link and made another to the newly installed java. ln -s /opt/sun-jdk-1.6.0.18/bin/java /usr/bin/java I set some environment variables. export J2EE_HOME=/opt/sun-j2ee-1.3.1/ export JAVA_HOME=/opt/sun-jdk-1.6.0.18 Then reinstalled j2ee emerge dev-java/sun-j2ee Tried starting j2ee /opt/sun-j2ee-1.3.1/bin/j2ee -verbose Checked processes, but no j2ee was running. Then looked at the error log. Looks like it can't find this com.sun... directory. # cat /opt/sun-j2ee-1.3.1/logs/dhcppc3/j2ee/j2ee/system.err Logging for J2EE Server Version: 1.3.1-b17 started at: Thu Feb 11 16:44:31 EST 2010.. Using the Java HotSpot(TM) 64-Bit Server VM and the version number 1.6.0_18 from Sun Microsystems Inc.. VM is using the classpath: /opt/sun-j2ee-1.3.1/lib/system/cloudscape.jar:/opt/sun-j2ee-1.3.1/lib/syste m/cloudutil.jar:/opt/sun-j2ee-1.3.1/lib/cloudscape/RmiJdbc.jar:/opt/sun-j2e e-1.3.1/lib/cloudscape/cloudclient.jar:/opt/sun-j2ee-1.3.1/lib/classes:/opt /sun-j2ee-1.3.1/classes:/opt/sun-j2ee-1.3.1/lib/j2ee.jar:/opt/sun-j2ee-1.3. 1/lib/toolclasses:/opt/sun-j2ee-1.3.1/lib/j2eetools.jar:/opt/sun-j2ee-1.3.1 /lib/locale::/opt/sun-jdk-1.6.0.18/lib/tools.jar:/opt/sun-j2ee-1.3.1/lib/jh all.jar . J2EE Home Directory has been set to: /opt/sun-j2ee-1.3.1. Exception in thread main java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError: com/sun/corba/se/internal/util/IdentityHashtable If memory serves, the corba stuff is part of the base classes required by all VMs. I think that is in rt.jar, but you don't have that in your CLASSPATH. These days it might be elsewhere, it's been a while. I reckon you either didn't set your jdk CLASSPATH at all, or you did and clobbered it with j2ee by doing CLASSPATH=. instead of CLASSPATH=$CLASSPATH: at com.sun.corba.ee.internal.javax.rmi.CORBA.Util.clinit(Util.java:87) at com.sun.corba.ee.internal.POA.POAImpl.activate(POAImpl.java:935) at com.sun.corba.ee.internal.POA.POAImpl.activate_object(POAImpl.java:895) at com.sun.corba.ee.internal.CosNaming.TransientNameService.initialize(Transie ntNameService.java:117) at com.sun.corba.ee.internal.CosNaming.TransientNameService.init(TransientNa meService.java:70) at com.sun.enterprise.iiop.POAProtocolMgr.initializeNaming(POAProtocolMgr.java :103) at com.sun.enterprise.server.J2EEServer.run(J2EEServer.java:226) at com.sun.enterprise.server.J2EEServer.main(J2EEServer.java:972) Caused by: java.lang.ClassNotFoundException: com.sun.corba.se.internal.util.IdentityHashtable at java.net.URLClassLoader$1.run(URLClassLoader.java:202) at java.security.AccessController.doPrivileged(Native Method) at java.net.URLClassLoader.findClass(URLClassLoader.java:190) at java.lang.ClassLoader.loadClass(ClassLoader.java:307) at sun.misc.Launcher$AppClassLoader.loadClass(Launcher.java:301) at java.lang.ClassLoader.loadClass(ClassLoader.java:248) ... 8 more Logging for J2EE Server Version: 1.3.1-b17 started at: Thu Feb 11 17:03:04 EST 2010.. Using the Java HotSpot(TM) 64-Bit Server VM and the version number 1.6.0_18 from Sun Microsystems Inc.. VM is using the classpath: /opt/sun-j2ee-1.3.1/lib/system/cloudscape.jar:/opt/sun-j2ee-1.3.1/lib/syste m/cloudutil.jar:/opt/sun-j2ee-1.3.1/lib/cloudscape/RmiJdbc.jar:/opt/sun-j2e e-1.3.1/lib/cloudscape/cloudclient.jar:/opt/sun-j2ee-1.3.1/lib/classes:/opt /sun-j2ee-1.3.1/classes:/opt/sun-j2ee-1.3.1/lib/j2ee.jar:/opt/sun-j2ee-1.3. 1/lib/toolclasses:/opt/sun-j2ee-1.3.1/lib/j2eetools.jar:/opt/sun-j2ee-1.3.1 /lib/locale::/opt/sun-jdk-1.6.0.18/lib/tools.jar:/opt/sun-j2ee-1.3.1/lib/jh all.jar . J2EE Home Directory has been set to: /opt/sun-j2ee-1.3.1. Exception in thread main java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError: com/sun/corba/se/internal/util/IdentityHashtable at com.sun.corba.ee.internal.javax.rmi.CORBA.Util.clinit(Util.java:87) at com.sun.corba.ee.internal.POA.POAImpl.activate(POAImpl.java:935) at com.sun.corba.ee.internal.POA.POAImpl.activate_object(POAImpl.java:895) at com.sun.corba.ee.internal.CosNaming.TransientNameService.initialize(Transie ntNameService.java:117) at com.sun.corba.ee.internal.CosNaming.TransientNameService.init(TransientNa meService.java:70) at com.sun.enterprise.iiop.POAProtocolMgr.initializeNaming(POAProtocolMgr.java :103) at com.sun.enterprise.server.J2EEServer.run(J2EEServer.java:226) at com.sun.enterprise.server.J2EEServer.main(J2EEServer.java:972) Caused by: java.lang.ClassNotFoundException:
Re: [gentoo-user] Uh Oh!! Made the contents of my directory unreadable
On Thu, 11 Feb 2010 22:32:44 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: In which case, running reset in the affected terminal should clear it. Every time I've tried to tell people to do that, they tell me they can't do it because %#!*^ obviously is not a valid command. It's not, if it were reset the second and fourth characters would be the same :P This tagline generator's at it again :) -- Neil Bothwick Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Upside/downside to including config files in quickpkg?
On Thu, 11 Feb 2010 13:32:57 -0800, Mark Knecht wrote: One thing I haven't found so far is what to put in make.conf to get the buildpkg feature to include the configs. It's easy at the command line. Where's the documentation on how to actually use this the right way automatically? You can't, because buildpkg builds the package before installation (it actually builds the package and then installs from it) so it only contains the default configs. That shouldn't be an issue if you backup /etc regularly. -- Neil Bothwick Copy from another: plagiarism. Copy from many: research. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Adding dependencies in init scripts
On Thu, 11 Feb 2010 22:22:50 +0100, heini wrote: Or you could remove mpd from the default runlevel and call both the init scripts from /etc/conf.d/local. Nope. Lookup /etc/rc.conf: I'd forgotten all about that, nice one! -- Neil Bothwick First Law of Laboratory Work: Hot glass looks exactly the same as cold glass. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Upside/downside to including config files in quickpkg?
On Friday 12 February 2010 00:13:23 Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: One thing I haven't found so far is what to put in make.conf to get the buildpkg feature to include the configs. It's easy at the command line. Where's the documentation on how to actually use this the right way automatically? - Mark when you use buildpkg feature the packages contain the virgin unedited configs as they are installed by the package and not any edits done by you. Just checking something: We are all aware of the difference between emerge --buildpkg and quickpkg right/ -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
Re: [gentoo-user] How the HAL are you supposed to use these files?
On Thu, 11 Feb 2010 23:13:14 +0100, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: On Thursday 11 February 2010 23:40:37 Zeerak Waseem wrote: True, but even those using Openbox, icewm, etc. were introduced to the mess that HAL is, and also to dbus. Sure you can choose not to have hal/dbus/*kit, but then you also choose not to use a growing number of apps that seem to depend on it. The way I see it, they should be optional features. If you've got the useflags set, great. If not, then it'll still be able to compile and run. And what exactly is the problem with dbus? At 2MB, it's one of the smallest apps on my notebook. It's memory usage is miniscule, I have to invoke magic to get it to show up in top. All I hear from the anti-dbus crowd is complaints that it's there and not a single shred of evidence, fact or numbers anywhere to back up why it might be a bad thing. Let's rather all sit down and add up the the potential code and resource REDUCTION from dbus due to duplicated functionality being removed from multiple apps. Complaints that reduce to it's there now and it wasn't there before cannot be valid for that reason alone - inotify is there now and wasn't there before, the resource reduction from it's being added is miniscule compared to the amount of polling we now do not have to do. Many other examples exist. hal is different and in a category of it's own; it's resource usage is very small but the developer screwed up by making it complex for users (for the machine it's actually quite simple). We can fix that, and are - udev. I don't see anyone complaining about it being there now and not being there before. Anyone remember what came before udev? Who remembers trying to figure out devfs? Or MKNODE? Do keep in mind that even simple WMs use some form of IPC (well, maybe twm doesn't). The dev has various schemes he can use from pipes on the command line to named pipes and fifos, or he can use a message bus. Personally, I'd go with the latter even if only becuase somebody else with a proven track record is maintaining it (so I don't have to) Oh there's not much of a problem with dbus to be quite honest. But that perhaps is a bit of the point, that dbus seems like it might be, as someone else put it, a solution-in-search-of-a-problem. I can see why it can be smart, but I can also see why it's labeled as a bit useless. Particularly when your wm can handle all the inter-app communication that is necessary without dbus. Like said, I don't particularly mind it for DE's but if you choose a wm, often you are willingly choosing to be lacking a few things that a DE does. I think that the issue for the anti-dbus crowd is that it's something that is being forced on them, despite having no need of it. -- Zeerak
Re: [gentoo-user] How the HAL are you supposed to use these files?
On Thu, 11 Feb 2010 22:40:37 +0100, Zeerak Waseem wrote: True, but even those using Openbox, icewm, etc. were introduced to the mess that HAL is, and also to dbus. You're trying to assign guilt by association. They were also introduced to X, hand edited conf files and a faster desktop. Are they all bad too? -- Neil Bothwick There's no place like http://www.home.com signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Uh Oh!! Made the contents of my directory unreadable
On Friday 12 February 2010 00:26:56 Neil Bothwick wrote: On Thu, 11 Feb 2010 22:32:44 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: In which case, running reset in the affected terminal should clear it. Every time I've tried to tell people to do that, they tell me they can't do it because %#!*^ obviously is not a valid command. It's not, if it were reset the second and fourth characters would be the same :P Smartass :-) You owe me a year's subscription from your employer for that wise-crack. Postage paid by sender, naturally. -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
Re: [gentoo-user] How the HAL are you supposed to use these files?
On Thu, 11 Feb 2010 23:37:08 +0100, Neil Bothwick n...@digimed.co.uk wrote: On Thu, 11 Feb 2010 22:40:37 +0100, Zeerak Waseem wrote: True, but even those using Openbox, icewm, etc. were introduced to the mess that HAL is, and also to dbus. You're trying to assign guilt by association. They were also introduced to X, hand edited conf files and a faster desktop. Are they all bad too? Yes! :p I'm not saying dbus is all that bad, just that it might be a bit unnecessary for a number of users. Which to me means, that it should be something that can be chosen, rather than something that's chosen for you. -- Zeerak
Re: [gentoo-user] How the HAL are you supposed to use these files?
On Donnerstag 11 Februar 2010, Zeerak Waseem wrote: Particularly when your wm can handle all the inter-app communication that is necessary without dbus. the problem is the WM can NOT handle all the inter-app communication that is needed by a modern desktop environment. Especially, when you have apps that are just frames around building blocks that have to talk to each other (like for example konqueror, that is just a gui to the dolphin, khtml, konsole, gwenview kparts).
Re: [gentoo-user] Upside/downside to including config files in quickpkg?
On Donnerstag 11 Februar 2010, Alan McKinnon wrote: On Friday 12 February 2010 00:13:23 Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: One thing I haven't found so far is what to put in make.conf to get the buildpkg feature to include the configs. It's easy at the command line. Where's the documentation on how to actually use this the right way automatically? - Mark when you use buildpkg feature the packages contain the virgin unedited configs as they are installed by the package and not any edits done by you. Just checking something: We are all aware of the difference between emerge --buildpkg and quickpkg right/ I am. Not sure Mark is ;)
Re: [gentoo-user] How the HAL are you supposed to use these files?
On Thu, 11 Feb 2010 23:53:10 +0100, Volker Armin Hemmann volkerar...@googlemail.com wrote: On Donnerstag 11 Februar 2010, Zeerak Waseem wrote: Particularly when your wm can handle all the inter-app communication that is necessary without dbus. the problem is the WM can NOT handle all the inter-app communication that is needed by a modern desktop environment. Especially, when you have apps that are just frames around building blocks that have to talk to each other (like for example konqueror, that is just a gui to the dolphin, khtml, konsole, gwenview kparts). But it seems to me, that the apps that need the communication are in DE's. Which is fine, I just think that if you're choosing a smaller WM (Openbox, awesome, JWM, etc.), where there isn't a need for an inter-app communication that extensive, then it's a bit of an overkill really. -- Zeerak
Re: [gentoo-user] Keyword for dev-java/sun-j2ee
Alan McKinnon wrote: On Friday 12 February 2010 00:10:06 dhk wrote: My /usr/bin/java was linked to run-java-tool, don't know what that is. # ll /usr/bin/java lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 13 Feb 11 11:20 /usr/bin/java - run-java-tool That's correct. It's a man-in-the-middle thing installed by the java configurator, it makes life easy when switching between various java versions I installed a jdk emerge dev-java/sun-jdk Removed the /usr/bin/java sym link and made another to the newly installed java. ln -s /opt/sun-jdk-1.6.0.18/bin/java /usr/bin/java I set some environment variables. export J2EE_HOME=/opt/sun-j2ee-1.3.1/ export JAVA_HOME=/opt/sun-jdk-1.6.0.18 Then reinstalled j2ee emerge dev-java/sun-j2ee Tried starting j2ee /opt/sun-j2ee-1.3.1/bin/j2ee -verbose Checked processes, but no j2ee was running. Then looked at the error log. Looks like it can't find this com.sun... directory. # cat /opt/sun-j2ee-1.3.1/logs/dhcppc3/j2ee/j2ee/system.err Logging for J2EE Server Version: 1.3.1-b17 started at: Thu Feb 11 16:44:31 EST 2010.. Using the Java HotSpot(TM) 64-Bit Server VM and the version number 1.6.0_18 from Sun Microsystems Inc.. VM is using the classpath: /opt/sun-j2ee-1.3.1/lib/system/cloudscape.jar:/opt/sun-j2ee-1.3.1/lib/syste m/cloudutil.jar:/opt/sun-j2ee-1.3.1/lib/cloudscape/RmiJdbc.jar:/opt/sun-j2e e-1.3.1/lib/cloudscape/cloudclient.jar:/opt/sun-j2ee-1.3.1/lib/classes:/opt /sun-j2ee-1.3.1/classes:/opt/sun-j2ee-1.3.1/lib/j2ee.jar:/opt/sun-j2ee-1.3. 1/lib/toolclasses:/opt/sun-j2ee-1.3.1/lib/j2eetools.jar:/opt/sun-j2ee-1.3.1 /lib/locale::/opt/sun-jdk-1.6.0.18/lib/tools.jar:/opt/sun-j2ee-1.3.1/lib/jh all.jar . J2EE Home Directory has been set to: /opt/sun-j2ee-1.3.1. Exception in thread main java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError: com/sun/corba/se/internal/util/IdentityHashtable If memory serves, the corba stuff is part of the base classes required by all VMs. I think that is in rt.jar, but you don't have that in your CLASSPATH. These days it might be elsewhere, it's been a while. I reckon you either didn't set your jdk CLASSPATH at all, or you did and clobbered it with j2ee by doing CLASSPATH=. instead of CLASSPATH=$CLASSPATH: at com.sun.corba.ee.internal.javax.rmi.CORBA.Util.clinit(Util.java:87) at com.sun.corba.ee.internal.POA.POAImpl.activate(POAImpl.java:935) at com.sun.corba.ee.internal.POA.POAImpl.activate_object(POAImpl.java:895) at com.sun.corba.ee.internal.CosNaming.TransientNameService.initialize(Transie ntNameService.java:117) at com.sun.corba.ee.internal.CosNaming.TransientNameService.init(TransientNa meService.java:70) at com.sun.enterprise.iiop.POAProtocolMgr.initializeNaming(POAProtocolMgr.java :103) at com.sun.enterprise.server.J2EEServer.run(J2EEServer.java:226) at com.sun.enterprise.server.J2EEServer.main(J2EEServer.java:972) Caused by: java.lang.ClassNotFoundException: com.sun.corba.se.internal.util.IdentityHashtable at java.net.URLClassLoader$1.run(URLClassLoader.java:202) at java.security.AccessController.doPrivileged(Native Method) at java.net.URLClassLoader.findClass(URLClassLoader.java:190) at java.lang.ClassLoader.loadClass(ClassLoader.java:307) at sun.misc.Launcher$AppClassLoader.loadClass(Launcher.java:301) at java.lang.ClassLoader.loadClass(ClassLoader.java:248) ... 8 more Logging for J2EE Server Version: 1.3.1-b17 started at: Thu Feb 11 17:03:04 EST 2010.. Using the Java HotSpot(TM) 64-Bit Server VM and the version number 1.6.0_18 from Sun Microsystems Inc.. VM is using the classpath: /opt/sun-j2ee-1.3.1/lib/system/cloudscape.jar:/opt/sun-j2ee-1.3.1/lib/syste m/cloudutil.jar:/opt/sun-j2ee-1.3.1/lib/cloudscape/RmiJdbc.jar:/opt/sun-j2e e-1.3.1/lib/cloudscape/cloudclient.jar:/opt/sun-j2ee-1.3.1/lib/classes:/opt /sun-j2ee-1.3.1/classes:/opt/sun-j2ee-1.3.1/lib/j2ee.jar:/opt/sun-j2ee-1.3. 1/lib/toolclasses:/opt/sun-j2ee-1.3.1/lib/j2eetools.jar:/opt/sun-j2ee-1.3.1 /lib/locale::/opt/sun-jdk-1.6.0.18/lib/tools.jar:/opt/sun-j2ee-1.3.1/lib/jh all.jar . J2EE Home Directory has been set to: /opt/sun-j2ee-1.3.1. Exception in thread main java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError: com/sun/corba/se/internal/util/IdentityHashtable at com.sun.corba.ee.internal.javax.rmi.CORBA.Util.clinit(Util.java:87) at com.sun.corba.ee.internal.POA.POAImpl.activate(POAImpl.java:935) at com.sun.corba.ee.internal.POA.POAImpl.activate_object(POAImpl.java:895) at com.sun.corba.ee.internal.CosNaming.TransientNameService.initialize(Transie ntNameService.java:117) at com.sun.corba.ee.internal.CosNaming.TransientNameService.init(TransientNa meService.java:70) at com.sun.enterprise.iiop.POAProtocolMgr.initializeNaming(POAProtocolMgr.java :103) at com.sun.enterprise.server.J2EEServer.run(J2EEServer.java:226) at com.sun.enterprise.server.J2EEServer.main(J2EEServer.java:972) Caused by:
Re: [gentoo-user] How the HAL are you supposed to use these files?
On Donnerstag 11 Februar 2010, Zeerak Waseem wrote: On Thu, 11 Feb 2010 23:53:10 +0100, Volker Armin Hemmann volkerar...@googlemail.com wrote: On Donnerstag 11 Februar 2010, Zeerak Waseem wrote: Particularly when your wm can handle all the inter-app communication that is necessary without dbus. the problem is the WM can NOT handle all the inter-app communication that is needed by a modern desktop environment. Especially, when you have apps that are just frames around building blocks that have to talk to each other (like for example konqueror, that is just a gui to the dolphin, khtml, konsole, gwenview kparts). But it seems to me, that the apps that need the communication are in DE's. Which is fine, I just think that if you're choosing a smaller WM (Openbox, awesome, JWM, etc.), where there isn't a need for an inter-app communication that extensive, then it's a bit of an overkill really. so how do you propose that a network connection manager tells a broweser or mail app that they are offline? And don't start with sockets. That will result in a nightmare. dbus is a clean solution to a huge problem. Apps have to talk to each other. The only way to keep it sane is a standardized IPC daemon like dbus.
Re: [gentoo-user] How the HAL are you supposed to use these files?
On Fri, 12 Feb 2010 00:03:27 +0100, Volker Armin Hemmann volkerar...@googlemail.com wrote: On Donnerstag 11 Februar 2010, Zeerak Waseem wrote: On Thu, 11 Feb 2010 23:53:10 +0100, Volker Armin Hemmann volkerar...@googlemail.com wrote: On Donnerstag 11 Februar 2010, Zeerak Waseem wrote: Particularly when your wm can handle all the inter-app communication that is necessary without dbus. the problem is the WM can NOT handle all the inter-app communication that is needed by a modern desktop environment. Especially, when you have apps that are just frames around building blocks that have to talk to each other (like for example konqueror, that is just a gui to the dolphin, khtml, konsole, gwenview kparts). But it seems to me, that the apps that need the communication are in DE's. Which is fine, I just think that if you're choosing a smaller WM (Openbox, awesome, JWM, etc.), where there isn't a need for an inter-app communication that extensive, then it's a bit of an overkill really. so how do you propose that a network connection manager tells a broweser or mail app that they are offline? And don't start with sockets. That will result in a nightmare. dbus is a clean solution to a huge problem. Apps have to talk to each other. The only way to keep it sane is a standardized IPC daemon like dbus. Well how about something with sockets ;) Personally, I don't see a big problem in a network connection manager not being able to tell various apps that they don't have a connection to the internet. If you're offline often you will know it, and if not you have something to look into. But honestly, I don't have a solution to the problem, what I can however say is that my browser and my mail app, are pretty deft at realizing that their attempts to access a server, are in vain, without any network manager to tell them that they're offline. If there is any inter-app communication going on, it's not anything I know enough about to give a qualified guess about. -- Zeerak
Re: [gentoo-user] Keyword for dev-java/sun-j2ee
On Friday 12 February 2010 00:58:52 dhk wrote: I put /usr/bin/java back the way it was. ln -s /usr/bin/run-java-tool /usr/bin/java I set the CLASSPATH, got it from java-config --runtime export CLASSPATH=$CLASSPATH:/opt/sun-jdk-1.6.0.18/jre/lib/resources.jar: /opt/sun-jdk-1.6.0.18/jre/lib/rt.jar:/opt/sun-jdk-1.6.0.18/jre/lib/jsse.jar : /opt/sun-jdk-1.6.0.18/jre/lib/jce.jar:/opt/sun-jdk-1.6.0.18/jre/lib/charse ts.jar Is it safe to set the CLASSPATH as follows? export CLASSPATH=$CLASSPATH:`java-config --runtime` That seems to work too. I ran /opt/sun-j2ee-1.3.1/bin/j2ee and still got the errors. It definately looks like the CLASSPATH, but what should it be? I'm getting out of my depth here :-) It's been a while since I used java to any extent, and things change rapidly in that arena. Perhaps you need a more java-specific forum, or wait for someone with a real clue to come along and read this thread. -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
Re: [gentoo-user] Uh Oh!! Made the contents of my directory unreadable
On Fri, 2010-02-12 at 01:58 +0800, ubiquitous1980 wrote: With this command or similar, I made my directory and one file in / unreadable: for entry in $(find $HOME); do $entry found; done er... you just executed everything in your home directory and piped the output to a file... I think you wanted do echo $entry? or the simpler find $HOME found? anyway, it shouldn't have corrupted your filesystem, but it looks like it did. Any ideas on how to fix this? you probably want to shutdown and fsck your filesystem. Then, start looking for your backups :( -- Iain Buchanan iaindb at netspace dot net dot au Even with nougat you can have a perfect moment. -- (Terry Pratchett, Thief of Time)
Re: [gentoo-user] How the HAL are you supposed to use these files?
On Freitag 12 Februar 2010, Zeerak Waseem wrote: On Fri, 12 Feb 2010 00:03:27 +0100, Volker Armin Hemmann volkerar...@googlemail.com wrote: On Donnerstag 11 Februar 2010, Zeerak Waseem wrote: On Thu, 11 Feb 2010 23:53:10 +0100, Volker Armin Hemmann volkerar...@googlemail.com wrote: On Donnerstag 11 Februar 2010, Zeerak Waseem wrote: Particularly when your wm can handle all the inter-app communication that is necessary without dbus. the problem is the WM can NOT handle all the inter-app communication that is needed by a modern desktop environment. Especially, when you have apps that are just frames around building blocks that have to talk to each other (like for example konqueror, that is just a gui to the dolphin, khtml, konsole, gwenview kparts). But it seems to me, that the apps that need the communication are in DE's. Which is fine, I just think that if you're choosing a smaller WM (Openbox, awesome, JWM, etc.), where there isn't a need for an inter-app communication that extensive, then it's a bit of an overkill really. so how do you propose that a network connection manager tells a broweser or mail app that they are offline? And don't start with sockets. That will result in a nightmare. dbus is a clean solution to a huge problem. Apps have to talk to each other. The only way to keep it sane is a standardized IPC daemon like dbus. Well how about something with sockets ;) because then you need all apps to talk the same 'language'. You also have to built in filters into every app to prevent 'malicious' or damaged messages from doing harmfull stuff. Every app. So from a workload, maintenance and security POV - a nightmare. Oh, and don't forget the wasted memory and CPU cycles because of all the duplicated code. dbus is a clean and simple solution that reduces workload for the devs AND resources needed by the system. A win-win scenario. Personally, I don't see a big problem in a network connection manager not being able to tell various apps that they don't have a connection to the internet. If you're offline often you will know it, and if not you have something to look into. oh yeah, it is just a great thing that the mail app constantly tries to reach servers and then throws errors. Not like this needs zero cpu cycles and zero ram. It is so much worse that the mail app knows that there is nothing to do and that it can sleep on... sarcasm
Re: [gentoo-user] How the HAL are you supposed to use these files?
On Friday 12 February 2010 00:56:33 Zeerak Waseem wrote: On Thu, 11 Feb 2010 23:53:10 +0100, Volker Armin Hemmann volkerar...@googlemail.com wrote: On Donnerstag 11 Februar 2010, Zeerak Waseem wrote: Particularly when your wm can handle all the inter-app communication that is necessary without dbus. the problem is the WM can NOT handle all the inter-app communication that is needed by a modern desktop environment. Especially, when you have apps that are just frames around building blocks that have to talk to each other (like for example konqueror, that is just a gui to the dolphin, khtml, konsole, gwenview kparts). But it seems to me, that the apps that need the communication are in DE's. Which is fine, I just think that if you're choosing a smaller WM (Openbox, awesome, JWM, etc.), where there isn't a need for an inter-app communication that extensive, then it's a bit of an overkill really. That's your error in logic. You are assuming that smaller WMs don't need IPC. I believe that assumption to be false. If my belief is true, then your argument falls flat. By way of example: printing. By no stretch of the imagination can printing be considered to be a niche function. How will an arbitrary app find your printers? There are multiple print server around. So, you could: 1. Say stuff it and build a print server into your app. We stopped doing that when DOS fell out of fashion. 2. Support all possible print systems. lpr anyone? 3. Or just use IPC and let dedicated print middleware deal with it. Multimedia buttons. One of the most confounding things on modern hardware are multimedia buttons. Volume is easy - make it adjust the sound server. Or you could use keybindings and have the wm do it, or you could send the keypresses to the configured audio app. And which one is that? Many apps do sound, which one will get the buttom focus? Even minimal WMs have many more such examples. Removing a sane IPC method that can be used everywhere instead of multiple implementations of similar functionality makes about as much engineering sense as claiming you don't need pipes in a shell. IPC is all about, perhaps you have not considered just how far that rabbit hole actually goes. -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
Re: [gentoo-user] Keyword for dev-java/sun-j2ee
Alan McKinnon wrote: On Friday 12 February 2010 00:58:52 dhk wrote: I put /usr/bin/java back the way it was. ln -s /usr/bin/run-java-tool /usr/bin/java I set the CLASSPATH, got it from java-config --runtime export CLASSPATH=$CLASSPATH:/opt/sun-jdk-1.6.0.18/jre/lib/resources.jar: /opt/sun-jdk-1.6.0.18/jre/lib/rt.jar:/opt/sun-jdk-1.6.0.18/jre/lib/jsse.jar : /opt/sun-jdk-1.6.0.18/jre/lib/jce.jar:/opt/sun-jdk-1.6.0.18/jre/lib/charse ts.jar Is it safe to set the CLASSPATH as follows? export CLASSPATH=$CLASSPATH:`java-config --runtime` That seems to work too. I ran /opt/sun-j2ee-1.3.1/bin/j2ee and still got the errors. It definately looks like the CLASSPATH, but what should it be? I'm getting out of my depth here :-) It's been a while since I used java to any extent, and things change rapidly in that arena. Perhaps you need a more java-specific forum, or wait for someone with a real clue to come along and read this thread. Well, thanks for your help. I appreciate it. dhk
Re: [gentoo-user] How the HAL are you supposed to use these files?
On Friday 12 February 2010 01:10:58 Zeerak Waseem wrote: But honestly, I don't have a solution to the problem, what I can however say is that my browser and my mail app, are pretty deft at realizing that their attempts to access a server, are in vain, without any network manager to tell them that they're offline. If there is any inter-app communication going on, it's not anything I know enough about to give a qualified guess about. So do this then: Build a desktop from old ebuilds and tarballs from a time when dbus was not prevalent. Make sure that the result is somewhat comparable to what you like to have now. Note the code sizes and other metrics of complexity. Note resource usage. Then examine the code for all the major apps you have, find the IPC-type functionality they have and remove it. Rebuild everything. Note the code sizes and other metrics of complexity. Note resource usage. Compare these two sets of numbers. Then run your new IPC-less machine. Let us know how that works out for you. At the very least you will gain an understanding of just how much IPC is going on even in minimal environments. -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
Re: [gentoo-user] Broadcom firmware doesn't work with 2.6.32-r4
On Thu, 2010-02-11 at 08:48 -0800, Kaddeh wrote: Check out http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=304265 and then update to 2.6.32-r5 thanks, that wasn't there when I started looking :) I'll see what they find (in the mean time, Go Flaky Wireless!) -- Iain Buchanan iaindb at netspace dot net dot au Whatever is not nailed down is mine. Whatever I can pry up is not nailed down. -- Collis P. Huntingdon, railroad tycoon
Re: [gentoo-user] Upside/downside to including config files in quickpkg?
On Friday 12 February 2010 00:56:04 Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: On Donnerstag 11 Februar 2010, Alan McKinnon wrote: On Friday 12 February 2010 00:13:23 Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: One thing I haven't found so far is what to put in make.conf to get the buildpkg feature to include the configs. It's easy at the command line. Where's the documentation on how to actually use this the right way automatically? - Mark when you use buildpkg feature the packages contain the virgin unedited configs as they are installed by the package and not any edits done by you. Just checking something: We are all aware of the difference between emerge --buildpkg and quickpkg right/ I am. Not sure Mark is ;) I am too. At least I am now. (I had to refresh the man page cache in my head first) :-) -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
Re: [gentoo-user] Uh Oh!! Made the contents of my directory unreadable
On Friday 12 February 2010 01:18:33 Iain Buchanan wrote: On Fri, 2010-02-12 at 01:58 +0800, ubiquitous1980 wrote: With this command or similar, I made my directory and one file in / unreadable: for entry in $(find $HOME); do $entry found; done er... you just executed everything in your home directory and piped the output to a file... I think you wanted do echo $entry? or the simpler find $HOME found? anyway, it shouldn't have corrupted your filesystem, but it looks like it did. I thought the same and wondered How? How could it corrupt stuff? So assuming the for did do the corruption and it isn't coincidence, what would make this happen? Or is the OP just seriously out of luck and hit the one in a gazillion unjackpot? -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
Re: [gentoo-user] Upside/downside to including config files in quickpkg?
On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 2:33 PM, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: On Friday 12 February 2010 00:13:23 Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: One thing I haven't found so far is what to put in make.conf to get the buildpkg feature to include the configs. It's easy at the command line. Where's the documentation on how to actually use this the right way automatically? - Mark when you use buildpkg feature the packages contain the virgin unedited configs as they are installed by the package and not any edits done by you. Just checking something: We are all aware of the difference between emerge --buildpkg and quickpkg right/ -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com Volker is. I am not sure I am and I'm not sure that Neil was talking about quickpkg which is what I am using so far. The command quickpkg --include-configs says it includes the configs. That's what I thought we (you and I Alan) were talking about. On the other hand I presumed (apparently incorrectly) that the FEATURES=buildpkg (which is what I think Neil is speaking about) gave me the same option but I now guess it doesn't. If I need to use quickpkg to save the configs then I think I'll do that being that as I simple-minded home user with no admin experience I have no in-place rigorous methods for doing __any__ backups. I just tar up directories once in awhile and deal with the problems that come later. (If they come...when they come...they do come, don't they?) ;-) - Mark
Re: [gentoo-user] How the HAL are you supposed to use these files?
On Fri, 2010-02-12 at 00:21 +0100, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: oh yeah, it is just a great thing that the mail app constantly tries to reach servers and then throws errors. Not like this needs zero cpu cycles and zero ram. It is so much worse that the mail app knows that there is nothing to do and that it can sleep on... sarcasm worse than constantly tries to reach servers and then throws errors, evolution will stop you from closing it down or changing the online / offline state, unless you send it a SIGKILL. Very annoying. That's why I started using NetworkManager and the networkmanager USE flag for evolution... -- Iain Buchanan iaindb at netspace dot net dot au You! What PLANET is this! -- McCoy, The City on the Edge of Forever, stardate 3134.0
Re: [gentoo-user] Upside/downside to including config files in quickpkg?
On Freitag 12 Februar 2010, Mark Knecht wrote: On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 2:33 PM, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: On Friday 12 February 2010 00:13:23 Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: One thing I haven't found so far is what to put in make.conf to get the buildpkg feature to include the configs. It's easy at the command line. Where's the documentation on how to actually use this the right way automatically? - Mark when you use buildpkg feature the packages contain the virgin unedited configs as they are installed by the package and not any edits done by you. Just checking something: We are all aware of the difference between emerge --buildpkg and quickpkg right/ -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com Volker is. I am not sure I am and I'm not sure that Neil was talking about quickpkg which is what I am using so far. The command quickpkg --include-configs says it includes the configs. That's what I thought we (you and I Alan) were talking about. On the other hand I presumed (apparently incorrectly) that the FEATURES=buildpkg (which is what I think Neil is speaking about) gave me the same option but I now guess it doesn't. If I need to use quickpkg to save the configs then I think I'll do that being that as I simple-minded home user with no admin experience I have no in-place rigorous methods for doing __any__ backups. I just tar up directories once in awhile and deal with the problems that come later. (If they come...when they come...they do come, don't they?) ;-) - Mark when you use quickpkg it package up all the files belonging to the package as they are installed in your system. If you edited the configs (or any other file) the edited version ends in the tarball. with buildpkg the package is created before the files are copied into the filesystem. Config files included in the tarball are 'virgin'. buildpkg is 'cleaner' because you get everything as it is installed. If you want to save your configs - well, regular backups of /etc is always a smart choice.
Re: [gentoo-user] Has semantic-desktop really become compulsatory for kmail?
Am Thu, 11 Feb 2010 01:18:42 + schrieb Neil Bothwick n...@digimed.co.uk: On Wed, 10 Feb 2010 18:03:15 -0600, Roy Wright wrote: IMO, mandatory semantic-desktop is a very good reason to find another desktop manager (even after being my primary desktop for 7 years). It's so mandatory it takes a whole mouse click to turn it off :( If you do not want a piece of software, why should you install it? Installing and not using it instead of not installing it at all, is the wrong way and (to my opinion) it is defintely not the Gentoo way. Well, I have drawn the conclusions and got rid of kmail and am on the verge of migrating the whole desktop. I loved kde-3.5, I seriously tried kde-4.*, but I could never befriend with it. And one point I detaste is that Social Semantic Desktop thing (as Nepomuk is characterized on its afore mentioned wikipedia page). For me it is just another instance of what Kant called selbstverschuldete Unmündigkeit (self-incurred immaturity). signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Uh Oh!! Made the contents of my directory unreadable
Iain Buchanan wrote: On Fri, 2010-02-12 at 01:58 +0800, ubiquitous1980 wrote: With this command or similar, I made my directory and one file in / unreadable: for entry in $(find $HOME); do $entry found; done er... you just executed everything in your home directory and piped the output to a file... I think you wanted do echo $entry? or the simpler find $HOME found? anyway, it shouldn't have corrupted your filesystem, but it looks like it did. Any ideas on how to fix this? you probably want to shutdown and fsck your filesystem. Then, start looking for your backups :( Did just that. But no luck with fsck. So I had a tarballed and bzip2ed backup from about a month ago and used that. Thanks for the suggestions anyway guys :)
Re: [gentoo-user] Has semantic-desktop really become compulsatory for kmail?
On Freitag 12 Februar 2010, Christian Apeltauer wrote: Am Thu, 11 Feb 2010 01:18:42 + schrieb Neil Bothwick n...@digimed.co.uk: On Wed, 10 Feb 2010 18:03:15 -0600, Roy Wright wrote: IMO, mandatory semantic-desktop is a very good reason to find another desktop manager (even after being my primary desktop for 7 years). It's so mandatory it takes a whole mouse click to turn it off :( If you do not want a piece of software, why should you install it? Installing and not using it instead of not installing it at all, is the wrong way and (to my opinion) it is defintely not the Gentoo way. Well, I have drawn the conclusions and got rid of kmail and am on the verge of migrating the whole desktop. I loved kde-3.5, I seriously tried kde-4.*, but I could never befriend with it. And one point I detaste is that Social Semantic Desktop thing (as Nepomuk is characterized on its afore mentioned wikipedia page). For me it is just another instance of what Kant called selbstverschuldete Unmündigkeit (self-incurred immaturity). sure. Be able to tag and quickly find information is immature. Question, when you have KDE installed and some app pulls in gconf or gvfs - do you throw the same temper tamtrum?
Re: [gentoo-user] How the HAL are you supposed to use these files?
On Freitag 12 Februar 2010, Iain Buchanan wrote: On Fri, 2010-02-12 at 00:21 +0100, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: oh yeah, it is just a great thing that the mail app constantly tries to reach servers and then throws errors. Not like this needs zero cpu cycles and zero ram. It is so much worse that the mail app knows that there is nothing to do and that it can sleep on... sarcasm worse than constantly tries to reach servers and then throws errors, evolution will stop you from closing it down or changing the online / offline state, unless you send it a SIGKILL. Very annoying. That's why I started using NetworkManager and the networkmanager USE flag for evolution... well, evolution is broken beyond help anyway ;)
Re: [gentoo-user] Keyword for dev-java/sun-j2ee
chrome://messenger/locale/messengercompose/composeMsgs.properties: On Thursday 11 February 2010 18:09:33 Alex Schuster wrote: Dale writes: chrome://messenger/locale/messengercompose/composeMsgs.properties: Whoops? SeaMonkey. Dale has his eyes set on holding the world record to be the last KDE-3.5 user left standing with the longest continual uptime for any app from the Mozilla stable. This is a worthy goal. He deserves our support. Without us, the title will likely go to some SuSE user. Actually, it is Seamonkey 2 that is at fault. Seamonkey 1 works fine, even in KDE 3.5. It's Seamonkey 2, the new one, that is broken. Thinking about switching back to Seamonkey 1. Seamonkey 2, like KDE 4, still needs some work. By the way, just installed KDE 4.4 and I still can't open a file with Dolphin as root. I keep getting a error that something isn't working. I can't recall what it is. Noticed a couple other things that are not working still so I'm back to KDE 3.5. I'm starting to think Gnome may be a option here. This is getting ridiculous. Before long KDE 3.5 won't be secure and KDE 4.4 still won't work and I'll have to switch to something else anyway. Dale :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] How the HAL are you supposed to use these files?
On Fri, 12 Feb 2010 00:31:26 +0100, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: On Friday 12 February 2010 01:10:58 Zeerak Waseem wrote: But honestly, I don't have a solution to the problem, what I can however say is that my browser and my mail app, are pretty deft at realizing that their attempts to access a server, are in vain, without any network manager to tell them that they're offline. If there is any inter-app communication going on, it's not anything I know enough about to give a qualified guess about. So do this then: Build a desktop from old ebuilds and tarballs from a time when dbus was not prevalent. Make sure that the result is somewhat comparable to what you like to have now. Note the code sizes and other metrics of complexity. Note resource usage. Then examine the code for all the major apps you have, find the IPC-type functionality they have and remove it. Rebuild everything. Note the code sizes and other metrics of complexity. Note resource usage. Compare these two sets of numbers. Then run your new IPC-less machine. Let us know how that works out for you. At the very least you will gain an understanding of just how much IPC is going on even in minimal environments. Well, I'll have to tell you, that I might just do that one of these days, because like you say. If nothing else I'll gain an understanding of it. As you suggested in the last mail, I don't think I've considered all the different uses of IPC. :-) -- Zeerak
Re: [gentoo-user] How the HAL are you supposed to use these files?
On Thu, 11 Feb 2010 23:47:39 +0100, Zeerak Waseem wrote: I'm not saying dbus is all that bad, just that it might be a bit unnecessary for a number of users. Which to me means, that it should be something that can be chosen, rather than something that's chosen for you. It's not there for the users, it's there for the software. How much better would that software be if the developers spent half their time writing code to communicate, write to logs and all the other standard tasks. Next you'll suggest that filesystems should be optional because the apps can always work out which disk blocks to use by themselves. Don't get me started on compilers, what a bloated waste of resources when apps could be written in hand crafted assembly. -- Neil Bothwick signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] How the HAL are you supposed to use these files?
On Thu, 11 Feb 2010 23:35:10 +0100, Zeerak Waseem wrote: Oh there's not much of a problem with dbus to be quite honest. But that perhaps is a bit of the point, that dbus seems like it might be, as someone else put it, a solution-in-search-of-a-problem. Yes, it could be what one person called it, or it could be the efficient way for applications to share code and resources that a dozen people have described it as. -- Neil Bothwick An investment in knowledge always pays the best interest. - Benjamin Franklin signature.asc Description: PGP signature
