[gentoo-user] Re: [gentoo-dev] Dropping localepurge
120129 Mike Frysinger wrote: On Sunday 29 January 2012 00:01:50 Philip Webb wrote: Below is the output from 'localepurge' after this week's system update. Please don't drop it till 'should' does = 'does'. the vast majority of that output comes from like 3 or 4 packages. All of it comes from 6 packages which I recently installed/updated : evince gdk-pix-buf rekonq xkeyboard-config gnome-doc-utils sane-backends The total rubbish cleaned out for these 6 was 9 MB . The last 3 belong to major projects -- X Gnome Sane -- , which suggests that other pkgs they manage may suffer the same defect. file bugs if you want things to actually get fixed. No, that's not the way it should be handled. Filing bugs -- 6 of them in this case -- is no guarantee of attention even, let alone action to fix the problem. Moreover, if it's fixable by Gentoo, the dev involved should do it as a matter of course without needing a bug. There is a perfectly effective script which cleans up the mess the only problem with it seems to be temporary lack of a maintainer, who is not essential anyway if there's nothing which needs fixing should not be difficult to replace with a simple request for a volunteer. Please leave 'localepurge' where it is. -- ,, SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
Re: [gentoo-user] Multiseat -- LTSP?
I've been in the same situation a short time ago. Finally I decided to buy a cheap notebook (ASUS AMD 1GHz, 8 Gb RAM) for 265 Euro, only -- running Gentoo, of course. I've installed a private wireless network. So my wife can sit anywhere and she can still connect to our family server if she likes. If I had to buy a monitor, graphics card, keyboard and a better power supply, that would have beeen more expensive. Furthermore the notebook solution is more flexible. Helmut. On 01/30/2012 12:29:37 AM, Grant wrote: I'd like to have multiple users working from separate monitors, keyboards, and mice, but all connected to a single Gentoo computer. The main purpose is to minimize sys admin duties but hardware and power requirements would also be minimized. Apparently this is called multiseat and native support in Xorg might not be ready for primetime: http://wiki.x.org/wiki/Development/Documentation/Multiseat http://vignatti.wordpress.com/2008/09/23/multiseat-roadmap There is a configuration tool for Xorg multiseat called MDM: http://wiki.c3sl.ufpr.br/multiseat/index.php/Mdm but from what I've read it isn't ideal. Besides Xorg multiseat I've read about LTSP and a few others: http://www.ltsp.org http://www.thinstation.org http://automseat.sourceforge.net http://www.openthinclient.org There are also a lot of proprietary options. Is LTSP the way to go? It may be, but as with all thin client models you would need a terminal computer for each user. If you only have one machine and monitors, keyboards and mice for each user then you'll need multiple video cards (and a strong power supply) for your only PC. In this case something like http://automseat.sourceforge.net may be more appropriate. However, I have not used anything like this set up to offer an opinion on performance. At work we use thin clients running Debian to serve MSWindows server desktop and apps to users. This setup uses the Citrix ica protocol, but I'm thinking that FreeNX coupled with VNC or relevant KDE or Gnome remote desktop implementation would probably work nicely and offer LAN and remote connection security at the same time. -- Regards, Mick If I throw out installing a separate OS on a separate machine for each workstation and all of the proprietary thin-client protocols, I think I have 3 options: 1. Connect monitors, USB keyboards, and USB mice directly to a server with multiple video cards. I found a motherboard with 6 PCI-E slots: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128508 6 video cards could be installed for 6 workstations if the server goes headless, and even more if multi-headed video cards are used. Xorg requires some special configuration for this but this discussion from 2010 sounds like it's something that is actually done: http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-836950-start-0.html These guys got it working in 2006: http://www.linuxgazette.net/124/smith.html 2. Set up a separate thin client for each workstation and run LTSP on the server. This seems inferior to #1 because it requires setting up and maintaining the LTSP server and client configuration, NFS, xinetd, tftp, dnsmasq, and PXE-boot. Bandwidth would also be limited compared to #1 and hardware and power requirements would be much greater. 3. Run a Plugable thin client for each workstation: http://www.amazon.com/dp/B004PXPPNA This likely requires running Userful Multiseat Linux on my server which is only packaged up for Ubuntu. The Plugable thin client connects to the server via USB 2.0 which makes me wonder if it could be made to work without Userful Multiseat Linux as a USB video card and input devices, but I imagine drivers for the video card and bandwidth over USB could be a problem. I think #1 is the way to go but I'd love to hear anyone else's opinion on that. Has anyone here ever set up multiseat in Xorg? - Grant -- Helmut Jarausch Lehrstuhl fuer Numerische Mathematik RWTH - Aachen University D 52056 Aachen, Germany
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Floppy support question for old farts. lol
On Mon, 30 Jan 2012 06:07:41 +0100, Frank Steinmetzger wrote: I still punched holes in 5.25 disks to make them two-sided in a 1541. As if the 1541 wasn't slow and unreliable enough as standard. -- Neil Bothwick FINE: Tax for doing wrong. Tax: fine for doing fine. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Floppy support question for old farts. lol
On Mon, 30 Jan 2012 08:29:47 +0700, Pandu Poluan wrote: My earliest new and shiny then would be a honkin' big desktop horizontal all-steel box, with a Turbo switch that toggles a front-panel (7-segment LED) display between 4.77 and 8.00 Did the switch do anything else, apart from change the numbers on the front? -- Neil Bothwick Politicians are like nappies Both should be changed regularly, and for the same reason signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Python+readline?
On Mon, 30 Jan 2012 02:25:30 -0500 Walter Dnes waltd...@waltdnes.org wrote: On Sun, Jan 29, 2012 at 10:42:47PM -0800, Keith Dart wrote On Sat, 28 Jan 2012 04:01:40 -0500 Walter Dnes waltd...@waltdnes.org wrote: I've enabled the readline flag for the python build, but it doesn't seem to work. Are there any other settings I'm missing? What happens when you import readline ? waltdnes@d530 ~ $ python Python 2.7.2 (default, Dec 14 2011, 00:09:44) [GCC 4.5.3] on linux2 Type help, copyright, credits or license for more information. import readline Traceback (most recent call last): File stdin, line 1, in module ImportError: No module named readline ok, how about the output of: emerge -pv dev-lang/python:2.7 Did you do something with the readline library? -- -- ~ Keith Dart ke...@dartworks.biz public key: ID: 19017044 http://www.dartworks.biz/ =
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: JACK on a multiprocessor/-core system
Le 29/01/2012 23:27, Nikos Chantziaras a écrit : On 01/29/2012 05:16 PM, meino.cra...@gmx.de wrote: Hi, is it possible to successfully run jackd as provided by Gentoo/Emerge/Portage on a multicore system ( AMD Phenom(tm) II X6 1090T Processor ) ? Thank you very much for any help in advance! It runs (of course), but the version in portage is not multi-threaded. For that, you will need JACK2, which is able to use more than just one CPU. You can find it in the pro-audio overlay. But be aware that if you're on a 64-bit Gentoo, the package will break if you have emul-linux-x86-soundlibs installed. I posted a bug about it, along with a fix, but it was not accepted: http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=399071 You can manually delete the offending files. Hi all, A silly question : I got pro-audio overlay with layman for using jack2 with my ie7 processor. I don't see any jack2 reference into the overlay. Where can i find it ? Thank you very much, Best regards, -- Jacques
Re: [gentoo-user] mkisofs: layout
Andrey Moshbear andrey@gmail.com wrote: If there a way to force mkisofs to add padding after sector N so that the resultin image can be burned as a double layer with no files that reside partially on one and partially on the other layer? Did you read the mkisofs man page? Why do you believe there is a problem? Jörg -- EMail:jo...@schily.isdn.cs.tu-berlin.de (home) Jörg Schilling D-13353 Berlin j...@cs.tu-berlin.de(uni) joerg.schill...@fokus.fraunhofer.de (work) Blog: http://schily.blogspot.com/ URL: http://cdrecord.berlios.de/private/ ftp://ftp.berlios.de/pub/schily
Re: [gentoo-user] Multiseat -- LTSP?
On Sunday 29 Jan 2012 23:29:37 Grant wrote: I'd like to have multiple users working from separate monitors, keyboards, and mice, but all connected to a single Gentoo computer. The main purpose is to minimize sys admin duties but hardware and power requirements would also be minimized. Apparently this is called multiseat and native support in Xorg might not be ready for primetime: http://wiki.x.org/wiki/Development/Documentation/Multiseat http://vignatti.wordpress.com/2008/09/23/multiseat-roadmap There is a configuration tool for Xorg multiseat called MDM: http://wiki.c3sl.ufpr.br/multiseat/index.php/Mdm but from what I've read it isn't ideal. Besides Xorg multiseat I've read about LTSP and a few others: http://www.ltsp.org http://www.thinstation.org http://automseat.sourceforge.net http://www.openthinclient.org There are also a lot of proprietary options. Is LTSP the way to go? It may be, but as with all thin client models you would need a terminal computer for each user. If you only have one machine and monitors, keyboards and mice for each user then you'll need multiple video cards (and a strong power supply) for your only PC. In this case something like http://automseat.sourceforge.net may be more appropriate. However, I have not used anything like this set up to offer an opinion on performance. At work we use thin clients running Debian to serve MSWindows server desktop and apps to users. This setup uses the Citrix ica protocol, but I'm thinking that FreeNX coupled with VNC or relevant KDE or Gnome remote desktop implementation would probably work nicely and offer LAN and remote connection security at the same time. -- Regards, Mick If I throw out installing a separate OS on a separate machine for each workstation and all of the proprietary thin-client protocols, I think I have 3 options: 1. Connect monitors, USB keyboards, and USB mice directly to a server with multiple video cards. I found a motherboard with 6 PCI-E slots: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128508 6 video cards could be installed for 6 workstations if the server goes headless, and even more if multi-headed video cards are used. Xorg requires some special configuration for this but this discussion from 2010 sounds like it's something that is actually done: http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-836950-start-0.html These guys got it working in 2006: http://www.linuxgazette.net/124/smith.html 2. Set up a separate thin client for each workstation and run LTSP on the server. This seems inferior to #1 because it requires setting up and maintaining the LTSP server and client configuration, NFS, xinetd, tftp, dnsmasq, and PXE-boot. Bandwidth would also be limited compared to #1 and hardware and power requirements would be much greater. 3. Run a Plugable thin client for each workstation: http://www.amazon.com/dp/B004PXPPNA This likely requires running Userful Multiseat Linux on my server which is only packaged up for Ubuntu. The Plugable thin client connects to the server via USB 2.0 which makes me wonder if it could be made to work without Userful Multiseat Linux as a USB video card and input devices, but I imagine drivers for the video card and bandwidth over USB could be a problem. I think #1 is the way to go but I'd love to hear anyone else's opinion on that. Has anyone here ever set up multiseat in Xorg? Can you rely on Xorg devs to ensure that they are not going to break your multiseat system in the future? Are you sure that you will come across bandwidth issues if you follow option #2? On a gigabit network at work we're running thousands of thin clients distributed across hundreds of VM servers, and there is no noticeable latency (unless a particular VM MSWindows server plays up). I understand that managing multiple boxen is always a greater burden, but something like GNAP may lighten the work needed? http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/base/embedded/gnap-userguide.xml Unfortunately I do not have experience of all the above setups to advice. -- Regards, Mick signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
[gentoo-user] Can the text based consoles be made scrollable?
Hi all, I'm having a bit of trouble with KDE after a emerge world. Now when I log into my box at a text console, no X running at all, and attempt to do stuff to debug the problem the output scrolls off the top of the screen. Is there a way to make a standard bash shell/terminal/thingy scrollable so I can go back up though the output and review the results of my fiddles? Regards, Andrew
Re: [gentoo-user] Can the text based consoles be made scrollable?
Did you tried shift + pgup? it will let you scroll a bit up. Opposite for shift +pgdown D Il giorno 30/gen/2012 11:56, Andrew Lowe a...@wht.com.au ha scritto: Hi all, I'm having a bit of trouble with KDE after a emerge world. Now when I log into my box at a text console, no X running at all, and attempt to do stuff to debug the problem the output scrolls off the top of the screen. Is there a way to make a standard bash shell/terminal/thingy scrollable so I can go back up though the output and review the results of my fiddles? Regards, Andrew
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: JACK on a multiprocessor/-core system
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 30.01.2012 10:57, Jacques Montier wrote: Le 29/01/2012 23:27, Nikos Chantziaras a écrit : On 01/29/2012 05:16 PM, meino.cra...@gmx.de wrote: Hi, is it possible to successfully run jackd as provided by Gentoo/Emerge/Portage on a multicore system ( AMD Phenom(tm) II X6 1090T Processor ) ? Thank you very much for any help in advance! It runs (of course), but the version in portage is not multi-threaded. For that, you will need JACK2, which is able to use more than just one CPU. You can find it in the pro-audio overlay. But be aware that if you're on a 64-bit Gentoo, the package will break if you have emul-linux-x86-soundlibs installed. I posted a bug about it, along with a fix, but it was not accepted: http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=399071 You can manually delete the offending files. Hi all, A silly question : I got pro-audio overlay with layman for using jack2 with my ie7 processor. I don't see any jack2 reference into the overlay. Where can i find it ? Thank you very much, Best regards, -- Jacques jack2 is referring to the 1.9.x versions of media-sound/jack-audio-connection-kit. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.18 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJPJnuCAAoJEJwwOFaNFkYcM0cIAIWi1Z/1a3PCyrdkw6k2bilA 2y2rOGc159i4L2nz2ehmCn8PZHl6t9fxugt7c9UAaN1o2Fxwm08gkrvRXK6BhZvM f7knrSANnKa4llKWItNCZOLTeHIglYKJfTJsSn8j93mDPt+1iT+AkeiF7EbjOJ7f MSf4h1gXX832KhTDDyNqcYYHMOKNXZX8I58hzZ9dY+l0i/wprLB5PrBuxEVC0RJC ikQfMpcxNmcjE4YWev+4/PwYH6dV74DgoSYzkS6cXTQspf1W/L6YPFrh5uBlJ05K GXCC+2R1OGwrds2no2FYPm5sgsSdKUj30wL9JxdY4fQSLeFYAa0U5j6eJmQ/C0k= =/wId -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: [gentoo-user] Can the text based consoles be made scrollable?
V Mon, 30 Jan 2012 18:55:16 +0800 Andrew Lowe a...@wht.com.au napsáno: Hi all, I'm having a bit of trouble with KDE after a emerge world. Now when I log into my box at a text console, no X running at all, and attempt to do stuff to debug the problem the output scrolls off the top of the screen. Is there a way to make a standard bash shell/terminal/thingy scrollable so I can go back up though the output and review the results of my fiddles? Regards, Andrew Shift + PgUP Robert.
Re: [gentoo-user] Can the text based consoles be made scrollable?
If you need some more features, you might want to consider using a terminal multiplexer like tmux or gnu screen, which have their own scrollback buffer. -- Jesús Guerrero Botella
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Floppy support question for old farts. lol
On Monday 30 January 2012 04:23:27 David Relson wrote: You mean those small floppies? Remember the big 8 inchers? And those Winchester disks? -- Rgds Peter Linux Counter 5290, 1994-04-23
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Your earliest ooh, shiny (was: Floppy support question)
On Monday 30 January 2012 07:31:56 Alan McKinnon wrote: Ah, those were the days. Sinclair was still pumping out DIY amp kits, built-it-yourself digital watches and electric trikes. Nostalgia isn't what it used to be, though. -- Rgds Peter Linux Counter 5290, 1994-04-23
[gentoo-user] Re: [gentoo-dev] Dropping localepurge
120130 Mart Raudsepp wrote: Do you even have LINGUAS set in /etc/make.conf or something? Because at least evince, gdk-pixbuf, xkeyboard-config and gnome-doc-utils DO honor LINGUAS. All GNOME packages that use intltool (that is pretty much everything except a few low-level libraries) honor LINGUAS much more than localepurge would ever be able clean afterwards. For example, .desktop files only have translation lines for languages listed in LINGUAS. Same for gconf and dconf schemas. Also all end-user documentation in /usr/share/gnome/help/appname/lang_code/ Per above, we would close at least 4 of those bugs as INVALID or at least OBSOLETE (if some older version had it wrong). At least in GNOME we feel quite strong about things properly honoring LINGUAS per old standard GNU conventions. This means installing ALL translations if LINGUAS is unset, and none if LINGUAS is set to an empty string. Above said, I also do find a use on some systems for localepurge, to catch the packages that don't honor it. Though for embedded deployments I might as well not include the non-interesting language directories in the image. Thanks for the useful polite response. I will look into LINGUAS. How to set it is not mentioned in make.conf.example or in man make.conf : where is it documented ? -- ,, SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
Re: [gentoo-user] Floppy support question for old farts. lol
On 1/29/2012 1:14 PM, Michael Mol wrote: 2) On PC clones, floppies never had auto-insert detection. (Though maybe you'd get something like that if you used a superfloppy or LS-120 drive to read them) Technically, they did, it was just impossible for an OS to make it actually work: http://blogs.msdn.com/b/oldnewthing/archive/2009/04/02/9528175.aspx
Re: [gentoo-user] Floppy support question for old farts. lol
Technically, they did, it was just impossible for an OS to make it actually work: http://blogs.msdn.com/b/oldnewthing/archive/2009/04/02/9528175.aspx Quote And you certainly don't want to make the user go through this training session when they unpack their computer on Christmas morning. Thank you for using Window 95. Before we begin, please insert a floppy disk in drive A:. I wish they would have tought of that when they forced users to activate and/or register Windows. Thank you for using Window XP. Before we begin, please enter your 100 digit serial number
Re: [gentoo-user] Floppy support question for old farts. lol
On 30 January 2012 13:09, Michael Hampicke gentoo-u...@hadt.biz wrote: Technically, they did, it was just impossible for an OS to make it actually work: http://blogs.msdn.com/b/oldnewthing/archive/2009/04/02/9528175.aspx From the comments: Barry Kelly: Win95 Setup *does* make the floppy drive grind, though, as have all versions of Windows Setup from 95 through to XP. (Speaking as an ex hardware technician who installed Windows hundreds of times.) Specifically, it makes the grinding noise when it's setting up the Start Menu items for the first time (it says). I personally suspect it's because it's creating the Send To shortcut, but that's only my suspicion. Honestly, given that it's a single bit check per hardware change, it doesn't seem like all that challenging of a feature. We could have had autorun.inf viruses almost 5 years earlier!
Re: OT: [gentoo-user] About this graphite stuff
Hello! I was reading this thread and felt that the graphite USE flag seems familiar to me, but I just couldn't remember where I had seen it. So I checked and discovered that there are 2 packages with such USE flag on my system: $ equery hasuse graphite * Searching for USE flag graphite ... [IP-] [ ] app-office/libreoffice-3.5.0.1:0 [IP-] [ ] sys-devel/gcc-4.5.3-r2:4.5 But the description of this USE flag is different for these two packages: - - graphite : Add support for the framework for loop optimizations based on a polyhedral intermediate representation + + graphite : Enable support for non-Roman fonts via media-gfx/graphite2 So, is it normal to have the same USE flag for two different meanings? Thanks. Vladimir - v...@ukr.net
Re: [gentoo-user] Can the text based consoles be made scrollable?
2012/1/30 Jesús J. Guerrero Botella jesus.guerrero.bote...@gmail.com If you need some more features, you might want to consider using a terminal multiplexer like tmux or gnu screen, which have their own scrollback buffer. Both tmux and screen will suite the OP's needs, s/he should also consider piping their output to more or less. ps auxf | more or ps auxf | less My personal preference is to use less, I find it to support my Vi/ViM habits more appropriately. -- Chris Brennan A: Yes. Q: Are you sure? A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. Q: Why is top posting frowned upon? http://xkcd.com/84/ | http://xkcd.com/149/ | http://xkcd.com/549/ GPG: D5B20C0C (6741 8EE4 6C7D 11FB 8DA8 9E4A EECD 9A84 D5B2 0C0C)
Re: [gentoo-user] Can the text based consoles be made scrollable?
On Monday 30 Jan 2012 11:40:04 Jesús J. Guerrero Botella wrote: If you need some more features, you might want to consider using a terminal multiplexer like tmux or gnu screen, which have their own scrollback buffer. If you have logged in a console you should be able to scroll up/down. However, if you are still looking at the login prompt then on my machines at least you cannot scroll up to see what happened during boot. -- Regards, Mick signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Floppy support question for old farts. lol
On Jan 30, 2012 4:39 PM, Neil Bothwick n...@digimed.co.uk wrote: On Mon, 30 Jan 2012 08:29:47 +0700, Pandu Poluan wrote: My earliest new and shiny then would be a honkin' big desktop horizontal all-steel box, with a Turbo switch that toggles a front-panel (7-segment LED) display between 4.77 and 8.00 Did the switch do anything else, apart from change the numbers on the front? Well, it *did* change the speed from slow to not-that-slow :-P Do it several times back-to-back, and you'll lock the system to hardware reset ;-) Rgds,
Re: OT: [gentoo-user] About this graphite stuff
On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 8:38 AM, v...@ukr.net wrote: Hello! I was reading this thread and felt that the graphite USE flag seems familiar to me, but I just couldn't remember where I had seen it. So I checked and discovered that there are 2 packages with such USE flag on my system: $ equery hasuse graphite * Searching for USE flag graphite ... [IP-] [ ] app-office/libreoffice-3.5.0.1:0 [IP-] [ ] sys-devel/gcc-4.5.3-r2:4.5 But the description of this USE flag is different for these two packages: - - graphite : Add support for the framework for loop optimizations based on a polyhedral intermediate representation + + graphite : Enable support for non-Roman fonts via media-gfx/graphite2 So, is it normal to have the same USE flag for two different meanings? Generally undesireale, but it happens. This is part of why USE flags are lumped into two categories, 'global' and 'local'. Some USE flags (such as 'debug') might be found as a global flag, but their meaning can differ significantly package to package. It's probably worth noting that you can set USE flags per-package, though I've found most USE flags I touch are safe to set in make.conf. -- :wq
[gentoo-user] Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Dropping localepurge
120130 Mart Raudsepp wrote: On E, 2012-01-30 at 06:56 -0500, Philip Webb wrote: Thanks for the useful polite response. I will look into LINGUAS. How to set it is not mentioned in make.conf.example or in man make.conf : where is it documented ? http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/guide-localization.xml#doc_chap3 I presume you only have things set in /etc/locale.nopurge and wrongly expect packages to honor it. Specific packages do not and can not look at that file, as it's localepurge specific and upstream projects shouldn't have any knowledge of it. LINGUAS is the standard environment variable for this with gettext based systems, and intltool honors it as well. I remember a longer description of it in some info file, but right now only found http://www.gnu.org/software/gettext/manual/html_node/Installers.html Bugs are hopefully appreciated by maintainers for packages that don't honor that environment variable set via /etc/make.conf. I added a line 'LINGUAS=en' to make.conf rebooted, emerged the 6 pkgs I listed in a previous msg ran 'localepurge' again. This time, only 'rekonq' 'sane-backends' offended. If an upstream doesn't honor it, they are probably just not using the standard autoconf/automake glue for it correctly or use a different build system support for it wrongly or the build system is suboptimal on this. I'm surprised at 'sane-backends', which is a longstanding app, but 'rekonq' is a recent invention may need informing re the issue. Some Gentoo packages also have a LINGUAS USE_EXPAND, so show up in emerge --verbose --ask world and similar outputs. This is typically used when extra downloads are necessary for the languages (e.g firefox or libreoffice per-language packs) and often don't honor the LINGUAS unset == all languages convention. Packages that don't need any extra downloads or long building time do not expose this as USE_EXPAND USE flags and just silently work it out in their build system, and that's the most reasonable approach for us. Yes, I've seen it in output for 'emerge -pv' for FF LO. Hope this helps, Yes, that's exactly the kind of response users need: LINGUAS is some way down the doc you refer to I assumed LANG was enough. I also realised that as 'localepurge' is a script, I can move it to /usr/local/bin/ , if it does fall out of the tree. I will file bugs for the 2 offending pkgs above leave the hard-working devs to get on with their other affairs. -- ,, SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
Re: [gentoo-user] ksmserver not building - can't link to some stuff
On 01/30/12 12:49, Andrew Lowe wrote: Hi all, Just done an emerge -NuD world and in the process of it happening, ksmserver has failed to build. The compiling completes but I'm getting Fixed it. Some blocking packages had caused other stuff to do things which in turn caused other stuff and so on. I eventually untangled it and got it to work. Andrew
Re: [gentoo-user] Can the text based consoles be made scrollable?
On 01/30/12 19:20, Robert David wrote: V Mon, 30 Jan 2012 18:55:16 +0800 Andrew Lowe a...@wht.com.au napsáno: Hi all, I'm having a bit of trouble with KDE after a emerge world. Now when I log into my box at a text console, no X running at all, and attempt to do stuff to debug the problem the output scrolls off the top of the screen. Is there a way to make a standard bash shell/terminal/thingy scrollable so I can go back up though the output and review the results of my fiddles? Regards, Andrew Shift + PgUP Robert. Thanks to those who suggested Shift PgUp/PgDn, it worked and I'm now sending this from within KDE. The post on screen was also a good one, I'll have to file that away for later use. Andrew
[gentoo-user] Konsole question
When an URL appears in a console, it is usually possible to R-click, then choose 'open link' a browser(-tab) opens for that link. With Xfce's Terminal, it opens in a running instance of Firefox. With KDE's Konsole, it opens Konqueror, which I don't usually have running. However, since around KDE 4.7.1 continuing in 4.8.0 , the version of Konqueror which opens is the file browser, which I never otherwise use which is useless for this purpose. Clearly, what sb opened is Konqueror in browser mode. Has anyone else encountered this problem ? I've tried to find where the browser to open is configured, but can't. Have I missed a setting somewhere or is this a KDE bug I should report ? -- ,, SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
Re: [gentoo-user] Can the text based consoles be made scrollable?
Le 30/01/2012 16:03, Andrew Lowe a écrit : On 01/30/12 19:20, Robert David wrote: V Mon, 30 Jan 2012 18:55:16 +0800 Andrew Lowea...@wht.com.au napsáno: Hi all, I'm having a bit of trouble with KDE after a emerge world. Now when I log into my box at a text console, no X running at all, and attempt to do stuff to debug the problem the output scrolls off the top of the screen. Is there a way to make a standard bash shell/terminal/thingy scrollable so I can go back up though the output and review the results of my fiddles? Regards, Andrew Shift + PgUP Robert. Thanks to those who suggested Shift PgUp/PgDn, it worked and I'm now sending this from within KDE. The post on screen was also a good one, I'll have to file that away for later use. Andrew The number of lines scrolables is defined in a kernel param. Florian P.
Re: [gentoo-user] Can the text based consoles be made scrollable?
Le 30/01/2012 16:33, Florian Pougheon a écrit : Le 30/01/2012 16:03, Andrew Lowe a écrit : On 01/30/12 19:20, Robert David wrote: V Mon, 30 Jan 2012 18:55:16 +0800 Andrew Lowea...@wht.com.au napsáno: Hi all, I'm having a bit of trouble with KDE after a emerge world. Now when I log into my box at a text console, no X running at all, and attempt to do stuff to debug the problem the output scrolls off the top of the screen. Is there a way to make a standard bash shell/terminal/thingy scrollable so I can go back up though the output and review the results of my fiddles? Regards, Andrew Shift + PgUP Robert. Thanks to those who suggested Shift PgUp/PgDn, it worked and I'm now sending this from within KDE. The post on screen was also a good one, I'll have to file that away for later use. Andrew The number of lines scrolables is defined in a kernel param. Florian P. After investiguating : the kernel param is : CONFIG_VGACON_SOFT_SCROLLBACK_SIZE it seems that you can customize this in grub kernel line : fbcon=scrollback:128 Florian P.
Re: [gentoo-user] Konsole question
On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 7:08 AM, Philip Webb purs...@ca.inter.net wrote: When an URL appears in a console, it is usually possible to R-click, then choose 'open link' a browser(-tab) opens for that link. With Xfce's Terminal, it opens in a running instance of Firefox. With KDE's Konsole, it opens Konqueror, which I don't usually have running. However, since around KDE 4.7.1 continuing in 4.8.0 , the version of Konqueror which opens is the file browser, which I never otherwise use which is useless for this purpose. Clearly, what sb opened is Konqueror in browser mode. Has anyone else encountered this problem ? I've tried to find where the browser to open is configured, but can't. Have I missed a setting somewhere or is this a KDE bug I should report ? -- ,, SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT `-O--O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca I'm running 99.99% stable here so takes that for what it is. Here, with Firefox open I run in konsole eix ardour and then right click on the ardour.org link and choose Open Link. I get the Ardour web site in the running version of Firefox. With Firefox not running KDE/konsole still opens Firefox. - Mark
Re: Your earliest ooh, shiny (was: [gentoo-user] Floppy support question)
On Sun, Jan 29, 2012 at 11:16 PM, Frank Steinmetzger war...@gmx.de wrote: I used to play Gorilla and Nibbles with my Pa in this Microsoft Basic thing. Ha! We entered angle and force to throw a banana at the opponent You may be interested in this Python remake of Gorilla: http://inventwithpython.com/blog/2010/06/25/gorilla-py-a-remake-of-gorilla-bas/
Re: [gentoo-user] Konsole question
On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 07:51:45AM -0800, Mark Knecht wrote: On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 7:08 AM, Philip Webb purs...@ca.inter.net wrote: When an URL appears in a console, it is usually possible to R-click, then choose 'open link' a browser(-tab) opens for that link. With Xfce's Terminal, it opens in a running instance of Firefox. With KDE's Konsole, it opens Konqueror, which I don't usually have running. However, since around KDE 4.7.1 continuing in 4.8.0 , the version of Konqueror which opens is the file browser, which I never otherwise use which is useless for this purpose. Clearly, what sb opened is Konqueror in browser mode. Has anyone else encountered this problem ? I've tried to find where the browser to open is configured, but can't. Have I missed a setting somewhere or is this a KDE bug I should report ? -- ,, SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT `-O--O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca I'm running 99.99% stable here so takes that for what it is. Here, with Firefox open I run in konsole eix ardour and then right click on the ardour.org link and choose Open Link. I get the Ardour web site in the running version of Firefox. With Firefox not running KDE/konsole still opens Firefox. Konsole should open the default browser set in KDE. You can check that in systemsettings - Workspace Appearance and Behavior - Default Applications - Web Browser IIRC some browsers allow you to 'set them as default' somewhere in their menu (usually as an annoying popup at startup, until you disable it ;) which should work with kde.. (at least i think it worked the last time i tested it with chromium... but i mostly set it up manualy) yoyo
Re: [gentoo-user] Multiseat -- LTSP?
I've been in the same situation a short time ago. Finally I decided to buy a cheap notebook (ASUS AMD 1GHz, 8 Gb RAM) for 265 Euro, only -- running Gentoo, of course. I've installed a private wireless network. So my wife can sit anywhere and she can still connect to our family server if she likes. If I had to buy a monitor, graphics card, keyboard and a better power supply, that would have beeen more expensive. Furthermore the notebook solution is more flexible. If we're comparing hardware cost vs. hardware performance and flexibility, the cheap notebook could win. The #1 priority for me is minimizing sys admin duties though. I would need a Gentoo system for duties like router and firewall anyway, and if I build the multiseat capabilities into that same system, I have at least 6 workstations and zero systems to administrate because of them. - Grant I'd like to have multiple users working from separate monitors, keyboards, and mice, but all connected to a single Gentoo computer. The main purpose is to minimize sys admin duties but hardware and power requirements would also be minimized. Apparently this is called multiseat and native support in Xorg might not be ready for primetime: http://wiki.x.org/wiki/Development/Documentation/Multiseat http://vignatti.wordpress.com/2008/09/23/multiseat-roadmap There is a configuration tool for Xorg multiseat called MDM: http://wiki.c3sl.ufpr.br/multiseat/index.php/Mdm but from what I've read it isn't ideal. Besides Xorg multiseat I've read about LTSP and a few others: http://www.ltsp.org http://www.thinstation.org http://automseat.sourceforge.net http://www.openthinclient.org There are also a lot of proprietary options. Is LTSP the way to go? It may be, but as with all thin client models you would need a terminal computer for each user. If you only have one machine and monitors, keyboards and mice for each user then you'll need multiple video cards (and a strong power supply) for your only PC. In this case something like http://automseat.sourceforge.net may be more appropriate. However, I have not used anything like this set up to offer an opinion on performance. At work we use thin clients running Debian to serve MSWindows server desktop and apps to users. This setup uses the Citrix ica protocol, but I'm thinking that FreeNX coupled with VNC or relevant KDE or Gnome remote desktop implementation would probably work nicely and offer LAN and remote connection security at the same time. -- Regards, Mick If I throw out installing a separate OS on a separate machine for each workstation and all of the proprietary thin-client protocols, I think I have 3 options: 1. Connect monitors, USB keyboards, and USB mice directly to a server with multiple video cards. I found a motherboard with 6 PCI-E slots: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128508 6 video cards could be installed for 6 workstations if the server goes headless, and even more if multi-headed video cards are used. Xorg requires some special configuration for this but this discussion from 2010 sounds like it's something that is actually done: http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-836950-start-0.html These guys got it working in 2006: http://www.linuxgazette.net/124/smith.html 2. Set up a separate thin client for each workstation and run LTSP on the server. This seems inferior to #1 because it requires setting up and maintaining the LTSP server and client configuration, NFS, xinetd, tftp, dnsmasq, and PXE-boot. Bandwidth would also be limited compared to #1 and hardware and power requirements would be much greater. 3. Run a Plugable thin client for each workstation: http://www.amazon.com/dp/B004PXPPNA This likely requires running Userful Multiseat Linux on my server which is only packaged up for Ubuntu. The Plugable thin client connects to the server via USB 2.0 which makes me wonder if it could be made to work without Userful Multiseat Linux as a USB video card and input devices, but I imagine drivers for the video card and bandwidth over USB could be a problem. I think #1 is the way to go but I'd love to hear anyone else's opinion on that. Has anyone here ever set up multiseat in Xorg? - Grant
Re: [gentoo-user] Konsole question
120130 YoYo Siska wrote: On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 07:51:45AM -0800, Mark Knecht wrote: On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 7:08 AM, Philip Webb purs...@ca.inter.net wrote: When an URL appears in a console, it is usually possible to R-click, then choose 'open link' a browser(-tab) opens for that link. With KDE's Konsole, it opens Konqueror, which I don't usually have running. However, since around KDE 4.7.1 continuing in 4.8.0 , the version of Konqueror which opens is the file browser, I'm running 99.99% stable here so takes that for what it is. Here, with Firefox open I run in konsole and then right click on the ardour.org link and choose Open Link. I get the Ardour web site in the running version of Firefox. With Firefox not running KDE/konsole still opens Firefox. That's what happens for me with Terminal, but not with Konsole. Konsole should open the default browser set in KDE. You can check that in systemsettings - Workspace Appearance and Behavior - Default Applications - Web Browser There's no 'Default Applications' in my 'systemsettings'. That mb because I don't have the whole of KDE installed, as I use Fluxbox as my desktop/window manager. The 'Default Applications' setting sb stored somewhere: any idea where ? Anyone else have ideas ? -- ,, SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: JACK on a multiprocessor/-core system
Le 30/01/2012 12:14, Hinnerk van Bruinehsen a écrit : On 30.01.2012 10:57, Jacques Montier wrote: Le 29/01/2012 23:27, Nikos Chantziaras a écrit : On 01/29/2012 05:16 PM, meino.cra...@gmx.de wrote: Hi, is it possible to successfully run jackd as provided by Gentoo/Emerge/Portage on a multicore system ( AMD Phenom(tm) II X6 1090T Processor ) ? Thank you very much for any help in advance! It runs (of course), but the version in portage is not multi-threaded. For that, you will need JACK2, which is able to use more than just one CPU. You can find it in the pro-audio overlay. But be aware that if you're on a 64-bit Gentoo, the package will break if you have emul-linux-x86-soundlibs installed. I posted a bug about it, along with a fix, but it was not accepted: http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=399071 You can manually delete the offending files. Hi all, A silly question : I got pro-audio overlay with layman for using jack2 with my ie7 processor. I don't see any jack2 reference into the overlay. Where can i find it ? Thank you very much, Best regards, -- Jacques jack2 is referring to the 1.9.x versions of media-sound/jack-audio-connection-kit. Thank you ! Cheers, -- Jacques
Re: [gentoo-user] Multiseat -- LTSP?
[snip] If I throw out installing a separate OS on a separate machine for each workstation and all of the proprietary thin-client protocols, I think I have 3 options: 1. Connect monitors, USB keyboards, and USB mice directly to a server with multiple video cards. I found a motherboard with 6 PCI-E slots: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128508 6 video cards could be installed for 6 workstations if the server goes headless, and even more if multi-headed video cards are used. Xorg requires some special configuration for this but this discussion from 2010 sounds like it's something that is actually done: http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-836950-start-0.html These guys got it working in 2006: http://www.linuxgazette.net/124/smith.html 2. Set up a separate thin client for each workstation and run LTSP on the server. This seems inferior to #1 because it requires setting up and maintaining the LTSP server and client configuration, NFS, xinetd, tftp, dnsmasq, and PXE-boot. Bandwidth would also be limited compared to #1 and hardware and power requirements would be much greater. 3. Run a Plugable thin client for each workstation: http://www.amazon.com/dp/B004PXPPNA This likely requires running Userful Multiseat Linux on my server which is only packaged up for Ubuntu. The Plugable thin client connects to the server via USB 2.0 which makes me wonder if it could be made to work without Userful Multiseat Linux as a USB video card and input devices, but I imagine drivers for the video card and bandwidth over USB could be a problem. I think #1 is the way to go but I'd love to hear anyone else's opinion on that. Has anyone here ever set up multiseat in Xorg? Can you rely on Xorg devs to ensure that they are not going to break your multiseat system in the future? Maybe I'm wrong, but I don't know why there would be (much) more likelihood of regression with Xorg multiseat than with anything else, including LTSP and all of its dependencies. In the context of both hardware and software, I think there are much fewer points of potential failure with multiseat than with an LTSP thin-client arrangement. Are you sure that you will come across bandwidth issues if you follow option #2? On a gigabit network at work we're running thousands of thin clients distributed across hundreds of VM servers, and there is no noticeable latency (unless a particular VM MSWindows server plays up). I'm sure I wouldn't. I only mentioned the increased bandwidth of multiseat vs. thin-clients as a technicality. I understand that managing multiple boxen is always a greater burden, but something like GNAP may lighten the work needed? http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/base/embedded/gnap-userguide.xml That looks cool, but from my perspective it's another layer to learn, install, configure, and manage. chef and puppet take a different approach to lessening the burden of administrating multiple systems, but in the end neither approach comes anywhere near the hardware and software simplicity (and corresponding ease of setup and maintenance) of multiseat. - Grant
[gentoo-user] Re: Konsole question
On 2012.01.30 at 12:33 -0500, Philip Webb wrote: 120130 YoYo Siska wrote: On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 07:51:45AM -0800, Mark Knecht wrote: On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 7:08 AM, Philip Webb purs...@ca.inter.net wrote: When an URL appears in a console, it is usually possible to R-click, then choose 'open link' a browser(-tab) opens for that link. With KDE's Konsole, it opens Konqueror, which I don't usually have running. However, since around KDE 4.7.1 continuing in 4.8.0 , the version of Konqueror which opens is the file browser, I'm running 99.99% stable here so takes that for what it is. Here, with Firefox open I run in konsole and then right click on the ardour.org link and choose Open Link. I get the Ardour web site in the running version of Firefox. With Firefox not running KDE/konsole still opens Firefox. That's what happens for me with Terminal, but not with Konsole. Konsole should open the default browser set in KDE. You can check that in systemsettings - Workspace Appearance and Behavior - Default Applications - Web Browser There's no 'Default Applications' in my 'systemsettings'. That mb because I don't have the whole of KDE installed, as I use Fluxbox as my desktop/window manager. The 'Default Applications' setting sb stored somewhere: any idea where ? Anyone else have ideas ? .kde4 % grep -D skip -R irefox . ./share/config/kdeglobals:BrowserApplication[$e]=!firefox ./share/config/konsolerc:History=firefox From .kde4/./share/config/konsolerc: ... [Open-with settings] CompletionMode=5 History=firefox From .kde4/./share/config/kdeglobals ... [General] BrowserApplication[$e]=!firefox ... -- Markus
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Your earliest ooh, shiny (was: Floppy support question)
On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 11:52:30AM +, Peter Humphrey wrote: On Monday 30 January 2012 07:31:56 Alan McKinnon wrote: Ah, those were the days. Sinclair was still pumping out DIY amp kits, built-it-yourself digital watches and electric trikes. Nostalgia isn't what it used to be, though. Hm... it's a good day for nicking quotes. -- Gruß | Greetings | Qapla' I forbid any use of my email addresses with Facebook services. Please don’t confuse me with facts, my mind is set. pgp9ojbsrTTsr.pgp Description: PGP signature
[gentoo-user] Kaffeine jack anyone?
Hi, is there any way (and if yes: how?) to convince kaffeine to connect to jack? Thank you very much in advance for any help! Best regards, mcc
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Your earliest ooh, shiny (was: Floppy support question)
On Monday 30 January 2012 17:59:09 Frank Steinmetzger wrote: On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 11:52:30AM +, Peter Humphrey wrote: Nostalgia isn't what it used to be, though. Hm... it's a good day for nicking quotes. I didn't nick it actually - it's original. Well, maybe lots of people have thought of it and I'm just one. -- Rgds Peter Linux Counter 5290, 1994-04-23
Re: [gentoo-user] Kaffeine jack anyone?
Am 30.01.2012 19:10, schrieb meino.cra...@gmx.de: Hi, is there any way (and if yes: how?) to convince kaffeine to connect to jack? Thank you very much in advance for any help! Best regards, mcc kaffeine uses xine. You can configure it in ~/.kde4/share/apps/kaffeine/xine-config Setting audio.driver:jack /should/ work. Hope this helps, Florian Philipp signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Your earliest ooh, shiny (was: Floppy support question)
On Jan 30, 2012, at 7:24 PM, Peter Humphrey wrote: I didn't nick it actually - it's original. Well, maybe lots of people have thought of it and I'm just one. Nostalgia isn't what it used to be. -- Peter De Vries But perhaps we are all just characters in a Milan Kundera novel, vessels of quotes – transmitted from one to another, and living on because of this. http://infiniteprobability.wordpress.com/2010/07/14/review-of-immortality-by-milan-kundera/
Re: [gentoo-user] mkisofs: layout
On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 05:02, Joerg Schilling joerg.schill...@fokus.fraunhofer.de wrote: Andrey Moshbear andrey@gmail.com wrote: If there a way to force mkisofs to add padding after sector N so that the resultin image can be burned as a double layer with no files that reside partially on one and partially on the other layer? Did you read the mkisofs man page? I did. The closest thing that was available was -dvd-video, but it pads all files, not just ones around a layerbreak. -pad only pads the end of the image. Why do you believe there is a problem? Cdrecord burns DVD+-R DL in PTP mode, so it's going to be inefficient in terms of I/O if there's a file that's halfway on one layer and halfway on the other. Were there padding or a dummy file, this would not be an issue. Hence, the asking about introducing padding around a layerbreak area.
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Konsole question : solved
120130 Markus Trippelsdorf wrote: On 2012.01.30 at 12:33 -0500, Philip Webb wrote: 120130 YoYo Siska wrote: Konsole should open the default browser set in KDE. You can check that in systemsettings - Workspace Appearance and Behavior - Default Applications - Web Browser There's no 'Default Applications' in my 'systemsettings'. The 'Default Applications' setting sb stored somewhere: any idea where ? .kde4 % grep -D skip -R irefox . ./share/config/kdeglobals:BrowserApplication[$e]=!firefox From .kde4/./share/config/kdeglobals ... [General] BrowserApplication[$e]=!firefox ... Thanks : that's it ! After a reboot, the URL now opens in Firefox. -- ,, SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
Re: [gentoo-user] Kaffeine jack anyone?
Florian Philipp li...@binarywings.net [12-01-30 19:40]: Am 30.01.2012 19:10, schrieb meino.cra...@gmx.de: Hi, is there any way (and if yes: how?) to convince kaffeine to connect to jack? Thank you very much in advance for any help! Best regards, mcc kaffeine uses xine. You can configure it in ~/.kde4/share/apps/kaffeine/xine-config Setting audio.driver:jack /should/ work. Hope this helps, Florian Philipp Hi Florian, Thanks for the hint! ...unfortunately that impresses kaffeine not at all... ;) Even without jack running the audio is loud an clear... Wonderful application it is... ;) Best regards, mcc
Re: [gentoo-user] Can the text based consoles be made scrollable?
El lun, 30-01-2012 a las 08:54 -0500, Chris Brennan escribió: My personal preference is to use less, I find it to support my Vi/ViM habits more appropriately. Then you would love vimpager. Greetings, -- Jorge Martínez López
Re: [gentoo-user] mkisofs: layout
Andrey Moshbear andrey@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 05:02, Joerg Schilling joerg.schill...@fokus.fraunhofer.de wrote: Andrey Moshbear andrey@gmail.com wrote: If there a way to force mkisofs to add padding after sector N so that the resultin image can be burned as a double layer with no files that reside partially on one and partially on the other layer? Did you read the mkisofs man page? I did. The closest thing that was available was -dvd-video, but it pads all files, not just ones around a layerbreak. -pad only pads the end of the image. This is not correct. Mkisofs honors the disk layout defined by the IFO file. Why do you believe there is a problem? Cdrecord burns DVD+-R DL in PTP mode, so it's going to be inefficient in terms of I/O if there's a file that's halfway on one layer and halfway on the other. Were there padding or a dummy file, this would not be an issue. Hence, the asking about introducing padding around a layerbreak area. You are missunderstanding things: The track recording direction is defined by the pressed pree-groove and cannot be changed. If you are copying DVDs, you need to call cdrecord -v -atip or similar in order to retrieve the layerbreak value of the original disk. This value needs to be given with the driveropts=layerbreak=xxx option when writing DVD+R/DL. If someone can tell me how to read the layerbreak value from the IFO file, this coule be done automatically Jörg -- EMail:jo...@schily.isdn.cs.tu-berlin.de (home) Jörg Schilling D-13353 Berlin j...@cs.tu-berlin.de(uni) joerg.schill...@fokus.fraunhofer.de (work) Blog: http://schily.blogspot.com/ URL: http://cdrecord.berlios.de/private/ ftp://ftp.berlios.de/pub/schily
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Floppy support question for old farts. lol
David Relson wrote: My earliest new and shiny then would be a honkin' big desktop horizontal all-steel box, with a Turbo switch that toggles a front-panel (7-segment LED) display between 4.77 and 8.00 And of floppies that really *are* floppy (5.25)... And of copy-protected diskettes and CopyIIpc and CopyWrite... As you can see, I have a severely traumatic childhood... Rgds, You mean those small floppies? Remember the big 8 inchers? In the early days, putting a computer together took more than a screw driver. Remember soldering irons and PC board kits with discrete components? I do believe I still have an S-100 bus machine in my attic. Regards, David I still have my breedboard. You know, the thing you run the traces with wires with. Heck, I got a couple small ones that still have circuits on them. One is a temp circuit that turns a fan on when it gets above a certain temp. I think my pump controller is still out there too. We used to have well water out here. It was nasty so we had a HUGE filter. I'm talking truck size filter. It held about 2,000 gallons of water if you take out for the filter media. Dang, that has been a while back there. Dale :-) :-) -- I am only responsible for what I said ... Not for what you understood or how you interpreted my words! Miss the compile output? Hint: EMERGE_DEFAULT_OPTS=--quiet-build=n
Re: [gentoo-user] Floppy support question for old farts. lol
Michael Hampicke wrote: Technically, they did, it was just impossible for an OS to make it actually work: http://blogs.msdn.com/b/oldnewthing/archive/2009/04/02/9528175.aspx Quote And you certainly don't want to make the user go through this training session when they unpack their computer on Christmas morning. Thank you for using Window 95. Before we begin, please insert a floppy disk in drive A:. I wish they would have tought of that when they forced users to activate and/or register Windows. Thank you for using Window XP. Before we begin, please enter your 100 digit serial number I had to replace a mobo and hard drive for a friend once. For some reason the drive and controller went out. Anyway, when we reinstalled winders, it said we had to call M$ to get some long freaking number. While on the phone with them, I told them I had never heard of such nonsense before. She progressed to telling me all the canned responses but she didn't expect my response. I told her I used Linux and when you get a CD and install it on more than one system, the Linux folks have a party instead of requiring a confirmation number. I then went on to explain how I was doing this for a friend and that I wouldn't install M$ crap on my rig if it was free. I could tell she was not happy about my thoughts on her product since she got quiet. Me being a chatter box at times, I just kept explaining the advantages of Linux over M$. I got my number tho. My friend is happy. I have converted a few people over to Linux since then too. She just thought she hated me back then. lol Dale :-) :-) -- I am only responsible for what I said ... Not for what you understood or how you interpreted my words! Miss the compile output? Hint: EMERGE_DEFAULT_OPTS=--quiet-build=n
[gentoo-user] Kernel make trouble
Hi, I'm having trouble compiling my kernel (actually haven't done that in a while..) after i run make, i get this error: kernel/bounds.c:1:0: error: CPU you selected does not support x86-64 instruction set could someone please help ? what info should i post ? (don't wanna post all the .config unless its needed) -- Thanks, Benyamin
Re: [gentoo-user] Kernel make trouble
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 30.01.2012 22:41, Benyamin Dvoskin wrote: Hi, I'm having trouble compiling my kernel (actually haven't done that in a while..) after i run make, i get this error: kernel/bounds.c:1:0: error: CPU you selected does not support x86-64 instruction set could someone please help ? what info should i post ? (don't wanna post all the .config unless its needed) How did you configure the new kernel? Try: cd /usr/src/kernel-dir zcat /proc/config.gz .config make oldconfig you'll most likely have to answer some questions, enter is default optional: review config via make menuconfig make -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.18 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJPJw/dAAoJEJwwOFaNFkYcKekIAMMhqAzHH3U3srAJB7wwIVAc SsydQGe7Z4zrpM1W61ni6s4AGvIRvjFKWtt6+vzGAmOTGH1t+igLZmF/vDWPuTbP LxLm444JFG32iNIz2yl2A6L7kJysHTSS1DecWVdOAIx2h6n42e9GOlc3RbWpJPSB LoFco1D9GLrEt+0ZtlHBO0+4TrHgxmGty6k4rn5eXouZQnh4XykEuBpKIYBI52bA 6UiGZq2DvZl08+XPbQ5T0hyVdiGz4loGWgUvEpKweaqphVT+0Jz0z8x3uvmEmNK0 ILGbfrqFxSSG/4lHaRCSzbpm2FtrUQFcPi9Eb4YnCIGFJjANR3wnw29WEZx46zw= =IW+U -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: [gentoo-user] Kernel make trouble
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 30.01.2012 22:47, Hinnerk van Bruinehsen wrote: On 30.01.2012 22:41, Benyamin Dvoskin wrote: Hi, I'm having trouble compiling my kernel (actually haven't done that in a while..) after i run make, i get this error: kernel/bounds.c:1:0: error: CPU you selected does not support x86-64 instruction set could someone please help ? what info should i post ? (don't wanna post all the .config unless its needed) How did you configure the new kernel? Try: cd /usr/src/kernel-dir zcat /proc/config.gz .config make oldconfig you'll most likely have to answer some questions, enter is default optional: review config via make menuconfig make I've forgotten to write about the error: kernel/bounds.c:1:0: error: CPU you selected does not support x86-64 instruction set that states, that you try to compile a kernel configured to a x86-64 system on a cpu that doesn't support that. My guess would be, that you didn't configure the kernel at all or copied the configuration from some other system. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.18 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJPJxDRAAoJEJwwOFaNFkYcxPUH/jABbD5TitBKtE+jZV+dns+v ql1Tg6iFPsoK1qLCBvJ4SQxGkcXnTK2DH+pSbuZRiHTNOU9AiIz2rMUWBT4LRjgB AHV4N1AYpz81azxIyKDPmH7ukG2geyRUkHQ3Q9JIwC5o3Y57YFAflqAtmw46pUe3 Sek2AwwfPoYm8KayJfXUgwpRgz1CacP/X5cycAtHSHAXHg5nphit+WTDjkrK7HIT OnvpEJutK09aLwMGj8evhwR3EygJ5UWhfmUIcQYDXd7YxAV04naKujolWBQgi3hl Kc/hdhBItTsN08cQXMT4oSAFh6pnE2sxvnkX4/kWigDET9OPUVuqJ+QjZEAe3lw= =HUcJ -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: [gentoo-user] mkisofs: layout
On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 15:06, Joerg Schilling joerg.schill...@fokus.fraunhofer.de wrote: Andrey Moshbear andrey@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 05:02, Joerg Schilling joerg.schill...@fokus.fraunhofer.de wrote: Andrey Moshbear andrey@gmail.com wrote: If there a way to force mkisofs to add padding after sector N so that the resultin image can be burned as a double layer with no files that reside partially on one and partially on the other layer? Did you read the mkisofs man page? I did. The closest thing that was available was -dvd-video, but it pads all files, not just ones around a layerbreak. -pad only pads the end of the image. This is not correct. Mkisofs honors the disk layout defined by the IFO file. Does there exist an IFO system that doesn't rely on VIDEO_TS and DVD-Video, i.e. a DVD-ROM analog thereof? Why do you believe there is a problem? Cdrecord burns DVD+-R DL in PTP mode, so it's going to be inefficient in terms of I/O if there's a file that's halfway on one layer and halfway on the other. Were there padding or a dummy file, this would not be an issue. Hence, the asking about introducing padding around a layerbreak area. You are missunderstanding things: The track recording direction is defined by the pressed pree-groove and cannot be changed. If you are copying DVDs, you need to call cdrecord -v -atip or similar in order to retrieve the layerbreak value of the original disk. This value needs to be given with the driveropts=layerbreak=xxx option when writing DVD+R/DL. If someone can tell me how to read the layerbreak value from the IFO file, this coule be done automatically I'm not copying. I'm making a DVD DL iso from a collection of files in a folder. There's no ripping from silver disc in any stage of the process.
Re: [gentoo-user] mkisofs: layout
Andrey Moshbear andrey@gmail.com wrote: You are missunderstanding things: The track recording direction is defined by the pressed pree-groove and cannot be changed. If you are copying DVDs, you need to call cdrecord -v -atip or similar in order to retrieve the layerbreak value of the original disk. This value needs to be given with the driveropts=layerbreak=xxx option when writing DVD+R/DL. If someone can tell me how to read the layerbreak value from the IFO file, this coule be done automatically I'm not copying. I'm making a DVD DL iso from a collection of files in a folder. There's no ripping from silver disc in any stage of the process. Then you need to get the layerbreak value from your authoring software and you need to tell your authoring software to introduce padding. As mentioned before, mkisofs hnors the paddung that is announced in the IFO file and it cannot introduce padding that is not mentioned in the IFO file. Jörg -- EMail:jo...@schily.isdn.cs.tu-berlin.de (home) Jörg Schilling D-13353 Berlin j...@cs.tu-berlin.de(uni) joerg.schill...@fokus.fraunhofer.de (work) Blog: http://schily.blogspot.com/ URL: http://cdrecord.berlios.de/private/ ftp://ftp.berlios.de/pub/schily
Re: [gentoo-user] Floppy support question for old farts. lol
On Monday 30 January 2012 21:20:59 Dale wrote: I had to replace a mobo and hard drive for a friend once. For some reason the drive and controller went out. Anyway, when we reinstalled winders, it said we had to call M$ to get some long freaking number. While on the phone with them, I told them I had never heard of such nonsense before. She progressed to telling me all the canned responses but she didn't expect my response. I told her I used Linux and when you get a CD and install it on more than one system, the Linux folks have a party instead of requiring a confirmation number. I then went on to explain how I was doing this for a friend and that I wouldn't install M$ crap on my rig if it was free. I could tell she was not happy about my thoughts on her product since she got quiet. Me being a chatter box at times, I just kept explaining the advantages of Linux over M$. How to win friends and influence people! -- Rgds Peter Linux Counter 5290, 1994-04-23
Re: [gentoo-user] Multiseat -- LTSP?
On 30 January 2012, at 17:41, Grant wrote: ... Can you rely on Xorg devs to ensure that they are not going to break your multiseat system in the future? Maybe I'm wrong, but I don't know why there would be (much) more likelihood of regression with Xorg multiseat than with anything else, including LTSP and all of its dependencies. Because fewer people are testing it. You can get low-powered Linux systems for $100 or $150 - either a little MIPs ShivaPlug or (I guess) a secondhand atom nettop (Acer Revo). If you save 2 hours per machine by using a standard and common thinclient configuration, then the hardware has paid for itself. If you have to employ a Linux sys admin to help you fix a complicated problem with Xorg multiseat, then it will run you at least $100 or $150 for those 2 hours. That's how you should be valuing your own time, too. Stroller.
Re: [gentoo-user] Resurrecting a Gentoo install
Ok, looks as though it's time for a manually-installed version of python to upgrade portage, then a portage-installed python:2.6 to bootstrap your way towards modernity. This is all explained here: http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/portage/doc/manually-fixing-portage.xml This may also help http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-p-5578709.html That last one mentioned --nodeps which gave me an idea. I did 'emerge -pv python' then emerged all of the packages listed with --nodeps so portage wouldn't complain. Portage wouldn't work after that until I switched back to python:2.5 with eselect. Then I emerged portage to the latest version (which switched back to python:2.6) and I'm hoping I can make some good progress before I come crying back to you guys again. - Grant I just did a 'ls -ltr /var/log/portage' and this thing hasn't been updated in over 3 years. Wow. - Grant Honestly, it's not worth trying to update it using portage. Just backup everything on it and do a re-install. Trying to update it will be a recursive process, repeated many times over, including manually building compatible pythons and dealing with the inevitable issues that arise. Then you still have the X migration issues to deal with, you still have to deal with openrc, with massive pam changes in the last 3 years, and who knows what else. So you will slowly and painfully replace many packages outside of portage to fix this. A reinstall will do the same thing but with much less personal pain :-) If however, you want to do this as a learning exercise then by all means proceed. You will gain useful knowledge (but I think you already have that knowledge) I'm crazy so I updated the thing. It was my first-ever Gentoo install and I guess I've got a soft spot for it. Thanks to --nodeps I didn't have to resort to installing anything outside of portage. I'm 99% done but I lost my connection to the machine and now I can't reconnect: # ssh 1.2.3.4 Password: PTY allocation request failed on channel 0 Thanks to you guys: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/gentoo/user/206090 I'm pretty sure I need to have the following done when someone is onsite tomorrow: mount -t devpts none /dev/pts If that doesn't work I think I'll try rebooting. Is there anything I should make sure I do before I reboot for the first time since taking this on? It will boot into the same 2.6.25-hardened kernel. I've updated all packages except firefox, mesa, and xorg-server I think, but I don't need X working yet. I've updated /etc/fstab. etc-update is done. One thing I'm shaky about is madwifi. I'll still be relying on madwifi-ng and ath0 for network connectivity until I configure a new kernel with ath5k support. I hope it still works after rebooting into all those updated packages. - Grant
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Your earliest ooh, shiny (was: Floppy support question)
On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 06:24:03PM +, Peter Humphrey wrote: On Monday 30 January 2012 17:59:09 Frank Steinmetzger wrote: On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 11:52:30AM +, Peter Humphrey wrote: Nostalgia isn't what it used to be, though. Hm... it's a good day for nicking quotes. I didn't nick it actually - it's original. Well, maybe lots of people have thought of it and I'm just one. I was more speaking of myself. Yours was the second within minutes that I snatched from the list and put into my own file. -- Gruß | Greetings | Qapla' I forbid any use of my email addresses with Facebook services. A year is a damn long time -- it can drag on for months.
Re: [gentoo-user] mkisofs: layout
On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 18:13, Joerg Schilling joerg.schill...@fokus.fraunhofer.de wrote: Then you need to get the layerbreak value from your authoring software and you need to tell your authoring software to introduce padding. As mentioned before, mkisofs hnors the paddung that is announced in the IFO file and it cannot introduce padding that is not mentioned in the IFO file. I thought mkisofs _was_ an authoring software for data isos. Experimental results have shown that mkisofs uses alpha-sort instead of inode, directory-order, ctime, or mtime sort. Is this required as per ISO 9660? Also, is there a way to enable a debug mode so that mkisofs states Dir X: File Y: LBA Z for each file?
[gentoo-user] global game jam and unity web play on gentoo
Hello Guys! This weekend I participated on global game jam and had real fun making a game there! Unfortunately, the game I made uses Unity Web Player to be made available through the web without installing. Does anyone here knows how to install it on gentoo? I have some friends that only have gentoo, and really wanted them to be able to play my game.. Érico V. Porto
Re: [gentoo-user] Can the text based consoles be made scrollable?
On Jan 31, 2012 3:04 AM, Jorge Martínez López jorg...@gmail.com wrote: El lun, 30-01-2012 a las 08:54 -0500, Chris Brennan escribió: My personal preference is to use less, I find it to support my Vi/ViM habits more appropriately. Then you would love vimpager. And vimmanpager :-) A couple of months back, there was a discussion in this here list about vimmanpager, and how there is no eselect module to specify which pager to be used by man. Someone kindly provided such module for me, but I forgot who exactly :-( In my systems, I even created a symlink /usr/local/bin/less that refers to vimpager. Rgds,
Re: [gentoo-user] Multiseat -- LTSP?
Can you rely on Xorg devs to ensure that they are not going to break your multiseat system in the future? Maybe I'm wrong, but I don't know why there would be (much) more likelihood of regression with Xorg multiseat than with anything else, including LTSP and all of its dependencies. Because fewer people are testing it. That's fair but Gentoo makes it easy to roll back if necessary. You can get low-powered Linux systems for $100 or $150 - either a little MIPs ShivaPlug or (I guess) a secondhand atom nettop (Acer Revo). If you save 2 hours per machine by using a standard and common thinclient configuration, then the hardware has paid for itself. You're saying use built-in thin-client firmware (on the SheevaPlug for example) along with something like VNC or NX on the server to save time over an LTSP setup? That would mean giving up some software control. Assuming multiseat works, is there an advantage to this over multiseat? If you have to employ a Linux sys admin to help you fix a complicated problem with Xorg multiseat, then it will run you at least $100 or $150 for those 2 hours. That's how you should be valuing your own time, too. LTSP and its host of dependencies seem much more complicated to me than multiseat. - Grant
RE: [gentoo-user] Floppy support question for old farts. lol
From: Michael Hampicke [mailto:gentoo-u...@hadt.biz] Sent: Monday, January 30, 2012 8:10 AM Technically, they did, it was just impossible for an OS to make it actually work: http://blogs.msdn.com/b/oldnewthing/archive/2009/04/02/9528175.aspx Quote And you certainly don't want to make the user go through this training session when they unpack their computer on Christmas morning. Thank you for using Window 95. Before we begin, please insert a floppy disk in drive A:. I wish they would have tought of that when they forced users to activate and/or register Windows. Thank you for using Window XP. Before we begin, please enter your 100 digit serial number Sweet. I had 15 minutes in the office how long before someone makes a pointless, unrelated Windows insult out of my post pool; I just won $5.
RE: [gentoo-user] Floppy support question for old farts. lol
From: James Broadhead [mailto:jamesbroadh...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, January 30, 2012 8:15 AM On 30 January 2012 13:09, Michael Hampicke gentoo-u...@hadt.biz wrote: Technically, they did, it was just impossible for an OS to make it actually work: http://blogs.msdn.com/b/oldnewthing/archive/2009/04/02/9528175.aspx Honestly, given that it's a single bit check per hardware change, it doesn't seem like all that challenging of a feature. We could have had autorun.inf viruses almost 5 years earlier! The problem, IIRC, is that the floppy bus has no way of identifying a hardware change even happened, so there would be nothing to trigger the hardware re-check. Of course you could make it work with all kinds of heuristics but most of them involve getting the auto-insert check wrong at least once. That means either spinning up the drive when it's empty (Dear /.: Windows is stupid! It keeps trying to read from my floppy drive when there's no disk.), or failing to spin up when a disk is inserted and requiring user intervention (Dear /.: Windows is stupid! It used to know when I put a disk in my floppy and now it stopped!). By the time Windows 95 came along floppies were on the way out and really not worth the hassle. Windows auto-mounts all drives on demand, so it didn't really need to know when you put a disk in, and none of the software that came on floppies had autorun setup. I'm kinda surprised they even spent as much time as they did looking at it :)
Re: [gentoo-user] Python+readline?
On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 01:38:53AM -0800, Keith Dart wrote ok, how about the output of: emerge -pv dev-lang/python:2.7 Did you do something with the readline library? I hate multi-slot. I added readline to dev-lang/python in /etc/portage/package.use, and then ran emerge -1 python... which proceeded to update python 3.1, but *NOT* python 2.7. After I did... emerge -1 =dev-lang/python-2.7.2-r3 =dev-lang/python-3.1.4-r3 I got the same error, even after rebuilding. = waltdnes@d530 ~ $ emerge -pv python:2.7 These are the packages that would be merged, in order: Calculating dependencies... done! [ebuild R] dev-lang/python-2.7.2-r3 USE=readline ssl threads (wide-unicode) xml -berkdb -build -doc -examples -gdbm -ipv6 -ncurses -sqlite -tk -wininst 0 kB Total: 1 package (1 reinstall), Size of downloads: 0 kB waltdnes@d530 ~ $ python Python 2.7.2 (default, Jan 30 2012, 19:42:20) [GCC 4.5.3] on linux2 Type help, copyright, credits or license for more information. import readline Traceback (most recent call last): File stdin, line 1, in module ImportError: No module named readline = The emerge output shows that python would be replaced, and that the readline USE flag has been set on the previous merge. I also ran revdep-rebuild, and it found nothing. The python command modules, from inside the interactive help() command shows a ton of modules, but not readline. Now what? -- Walter Dnes waltd...@waltdnes.org
Re: [gentoo-user] Kernel make trouble
On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 11:41:59PM +0200, Benyamin Dvoskin wrote Hi, I'm having trouble compiling my kernel (actually haven't done that in a while..) after i run make, i get this error: kernel/bounds.c:1:0: error: CPU you selected does not support x86-64 instruction set could someone please help ? what info should i post ? (don't wanna post all the .config unless its needed) I read that to mean that you selected an old CPU type that doesn't support some options you've selected. 3 questions... 1) What is your CPU type? If you're not certain, post the output from head /proc/cpuinfo 2) What CPU type have you selected in make menuconfig? Processor type and features --- Processor family (?) --- 3) Is the answer to 1) the same as the answer to 2) ? -- Walter Dnes waltd...@waltdnes.org
Re: [gentoo-user] Python+readline?
On Jan 31, 2012 10:43 AM, Walter Dnes waltd...@waltdnes.org wrote: On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 01:38:53AM -0800, Keith Dart wrote ok, how about the output of: emerge -pv dev-lang/python:2.7 Did you do something with the readline library? I hate multi-slot. I added readline to dev-lang/python in /etc/portage/package.use, and then ran emerge -1 python... which proceeded to update python 3.1, but *NOT* python 2.7. After I did... emerge -1 =dev-lang/python-2.7.2-r3 =dev-lang/python-3.1.4-r3 I got the same error, even after rebuilding. = waltdnes@d530 ~ $ emerge -pv python:2.7 These are the packages that would be merged, in order: Calculating dependencies... done! [ebuild R] dev-lang/python-2.7.2-r3 USE=readline ssl threads (wide-unicode) xml -berkdb -build -doc -examples -gdbm -ipv6 -ncurses -sqlite -tk -wininst 0 kB Total: 1 package (1 reinstall), Size of downloads: 0 kB waltdnes@d530 ~ $ python Python 2.7.2 (default, Jan 30 2012, 19:42:20) [GCC 4.5.3] on linux2 Type help, copyright, credits or license for more information. import readline Traceback (most recent call last): File stdin, line 1, in module ImportError: No module named readline = The emerge output shows that python would be replaced, and that the readline USE flag has been set on the previous merge. I also ran revdep-rebuild, and it found nothing. The python command modules, from inside the interactive help() command shows a ton of modules, but not readline. Now what? Have you run python-updater? Rgds,
