Re: [gentoo-user] system uptime
On Sun, Aug 30, 2015 at 12:04:43AM -0400, Philip Webb wrote How long do desktop users typically leave their systems between reboots ? How long between power off/on's ? I've long been in the habit of switching everything off while I sleep, then restarting after I've woken got going again myself. However recently, I've run into delays getting my router (only 1 device attached) to shake hands successfully with my ISP's server, which have been requiring several power off/on's before it works. I'm on Teksavvy, and I run into that on occasion. As a result, I've started rebooting only after my weekly system update -- it means I get to use the new versions of everything -- not powering off at all ; the monitor + Xscreensaver are off whenever I'm away from the machine for = 1 hr (approx). Are there any pro's/con's I sb aware of ? [d531][waltdnes][~] uptime 02:14:01 up 39 days, 5:31, 22 users, load average: 0.16, 0.22, 0.48 No, my machine has not been on for over 900 consecutive hours. It's that long since my most recent full boot. sys-power/hibernate-script in suspend-to-disc mode totally shuts down the machine. It has to read the BIOS on start-up, but it restores all workspaces, and program state with multiple browsers/spreadsheets/etc open, from swap. I have multiple browser profiles, allowing me to dedicate separate instances to each forum. Plus I have ongong personal projects that have spreadsheets or vim open. It's an absolute pain to re-open all the browsers/spreadsheets/etc in each workspace when I do a real reboot for a new kernel. I currently have the display, speakers, modem, router, etc plugged into power bars that are plugged into a slave jack on my UPS. The desktop PC is plugged into the master jack. When the master is drawing power, the slave jack provides power to the power bars. When I hibernate the PC, and it powers down, the slave jack cuts off power to the power bars. So shutting down or hibernating my PC shuts down display, speakers, modem, router, etc. Turning the PC back on powers them up again. If I had your problem, I would move my router/modem to a filtered plug on the UPS. So hibernation would shut down everything except the router/modem. -- Walter Dnes waltd...@waltdnes.org I don't run desktop environments; I run useful applications
[gentoo-user] emerge fails with `Suspicious PERL5LIB setting's
Setup: running gentoo inside vbox on Solaris (x86) Very new install Running `emerge -v dev-vcs/git' when it comes to installing several dev-perl pkgs begining with dev-perl/Digest-HMAC-1.30.0-r1::gentooi, it fails with a brief explanation: Configuring source in /var/tmp/portage/dev-perl/Digest-HMAC-1.30.0-r1/work/Digest-HMAC-1.03 ... * perl-module.eclass: Suspicious environment values found. * PERL5LIB=/usr/local/cpan-perl:/usr/local/cpan-perl/lib:/usr/local/cpan-perl/lib/perl5 * Your environment settings may lead to undefined behavior and/or build failures. * ERROR: dev-perl/Digest-HMAC-1.30.0-r1::gentoo failed (configure phase): * Please fix your environment ( ~/.bashrc, package.env, ... ), see above for details. * I've been building cpan packages and have them installed at the locations mentioned above. Then, to get perl to include them in `@INC', I've utilized the PERL5LIB variable in one of my login scripts, just as it appears in the error. Its not clear to me why setting these directories with PERL5LIB is `Suspicious', or how to proceed from here.
Re: [gentoo-user] system uptime
On 30/08/2015 06:04, Philip Webb wrote: How long do desktop users typically leave their systems between reboots ? How long between power off/on's ? I've long been in the habit of switching everything off while I sleep, then restarting after I've woken got going again myself. However recently, I've run into delays getting my router (only 1 device attached) to shake hands successfully with my ISP's server, which have been requiring several power off/on's before it works. As a result, I've started rebooting only after my weekly system update -- it means I get to use the new versions of everything -- not powering off at all ; the monitor + Xscreensaver are off whenever I'm away from the machine for = 1 hr (approx). Are there any pro's/con's I sb aware of ? Mine depends. I typically do a deliberate reboot only when wanting a new kernel running. Sometimes it's a few days, often up to a month or more. Overnight I usually suspend the machine. This works for me because I usually have a standard array of apps spread over 6 virtual desktops and I forget how everything was set up (advancing age...) It's very seldom that an emerge world needs a reboot so that isn't included in the above. checkrestart and sometimes a log out/log in takes care of getting updated software to run. This is Gentoo not windows, so I see no benefit to frequent daily reboots. Monthly or so, or when new kernels are advised, suits my needs. An aside: I've also proudly played the uptime game, and had remote DNS servers with 1600 days uptime. It looks impressive, but all it really proves is I'm a short-sighted idiot who doesn't do kernel updates :-) So I don't do that extreme anymore. -- Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: ncurses: reductio ad absurdum
On Sat, 29 Aug 2015 17:17:29 -0400, Fernando Rodriguez wrote: $ sudo emerge -lp portage These are the packages that would be merged, in order: Calculating dependencies... done! [ebuild R] sys-apps/portage-2.2.20.1 What am I doing wrong? I guess because it's a rebuild and it only shows relevant changes? Yes, it shows changelog entries since the installed version. I have a cron script that syncs, does emerge -f @world and then emails me the output from emerge -luDp @world. -- Neil Bothwick Sure, we just route the main sensor through Data's cat. pgpaMJt29TGlK.pgp Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [gentoo-user] system uptime
cov...@ccs.covici.com wrote: Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: The biggest reason I shutdown, power failure. I use checkrestart to see if/when I need to restart something after doing updates. If for example I update something in the @system area, then I just logout of the GUI, go to boot runlevel, run checkrestart again to see if that did it and then go back to default runlevel. Sometimes, I have to restart something by hand instead of rebooting but not to often. Generally just going to boot runlevel gets the job done. One thing about not rebooting a lot, you use cache a lot which can speed some things up a bit. I have 16GBs here and most of the time, it is almost all used. How much that helps, I dunno but if it didn't help, they wouldn't have it doing it. Another good side, run updates while you sleep. The only bad side, more wear on things like fans and some extra dust. I try to clean my rig at least twice a year or whenever I notice the temps a little higher than they should be. Oh, pulls power all the time which may not matter much depending on your electricity rates. Of course, fixing that connection issue may be a good idea too. ;-) hmmm, if you go to boot run level what is the difference between that and rebooting? After a major update there are so many things to restart that I usually give up and reboot the system, is actually quicker. H, this quoting thing didn't work right again. For me, it is faster. Also, rebooting can uncover a problem that I might not know about. I've had a few times where I couldn't reboot for some unknown reason. Plus, all the common stuff remains in cache. Most of the time tho, just logging out of a GUI, KDE for me, is enough. Using checkrestart should tell me exactly what needs to be restarted and most of the time how. About the only thing I have to restart manually, udev. It's one thing that has a regular update that doesn't restart since it is already started before getting to the boot runlevel. To each his own tho. All of us has our own way of doing things of this nature and for varying reasons. Some shutdown because electricity is expensive. For some, that doesn't matter. Some do it to just reduce noise from the fans etc. One reason I leave mine on all the time is that I almost always have mine doing something. I have tons of TV shows and such on here. If I'm not doing something myself, I have it doing something. Dale :-) :-)
[gentoo-user] Re: emerge fails with `Suspicious PERL5LIB setting's
Stroller strol...@stellar.eclipse.co.uk writes: On Sun, 30 August 2015, at 7:37 am, Harry Putnam rea...@newsguy.com wrote: ... I've been building cpan packages and have them installed at the locations mentioned above. Then, to get perl to include them in `@INC', I've utilized the PERL5LIB variable in one of my login scripts, just as it appears in the error. If you want to install Perl packages which aren't in Portage, then the supported method is using app-portage/g-cpan. Stroller. Thanks! Got that going now.
[gentoo-user] Re: Advantages or disadvantages of use package.use as directory
Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com writes: [...] I tried the later like so: /etc/portage/package.use/app-editors/emacs-vcs where emacs-vcs contains: emacs-vcs Xaw3d athena gnutls imagemagick toolkit-scroll-bars and this way: =app-editors/emacs-vcs-25.0.50_pre20150731 Xaw3d athena gnutls imagemagick toolkit-scroll-bars But when I attempt emerging... the USE flags do not reflect those choices and shows and error: --- Invalid atom in /etc/portage/package.use/app-editors/emacs-vcs: =app-editors/emacs-vcs So what is the correct format? Both your above are completely wrong. The docs clearly and unambiguously say the exact format inside the file is identical whether you use a package.use file, or any old arb filename you want inside a package.use/ directory You have not done this, you have let your confused brain override what your eyes can clearly see, and have invented something new to do that is not in the docs. Tut, tut. Read the docs again and do what they say. Yes indeed... thanks wraeth wra...@wraeth.id.au writes: I'd already typed up this response when I saw the one from Alan come in; figured I'd send it anyway - two responses that essentially agree are better than one, right? [...] Create a file within the package.use directory, named whatever seems reasonable to you, and put the contents: app-editors/emacs-vcs Xaw3d athena gnutls imagemagick toolkit-scroll-bars Enter a single package atom followed by any use flag changes - flag name to enable, minus flag name to disable. In case the above example wrapped, keep the package atom and the flags on a single line. As far as I'm aware, you can't nest files within subdirectories of package.use, and the man page doesn't mention version ranges - it's example is an exact atom (=) and wildcards (see portage(5) man page). Very helpful... thank you. I've got it going now.
[gentoo-user] Re: CD ripper that generates song titles?
Neil Bothwick neil at digimed.co.uk writes: It does raise the question of what is the point of the Performer field if it's always the same as the Albumperformer. Dubbing? :: as in voice over, professionally, extra comments on the sound track, karaoke and such? Your dubs over a Grand Funk Railroad ( or Adele?) master, might be quite interesting? ;-) James
Re: [gentoo-user] Problems booting vanilla kernel 4.1.x
On Tuesday, August 25, 2015 6:40:01 PM Peter Weilbacher wrote:
Hi Alexander,
On Sun, 23 Aug 2015, Alexander Kapshuk wrote:
On Sun, Aug 23, 2015 at 4:08 PM, Peter Weilbacher
newss...@weilbacher.org wrote:
after successfully using kernel 4.0.5 (vanilla-sources) for a while, I
upgraded to 4.1.5 last week and 4.1.6 today. I cannot boot either of
them. On the screen I see
Decompressing Linux... Parsing ELF... done.
Booting the kernel.
as the last thing, then it just sits there.
I am running vanilla-sources 4.1.6, and so far I have not had any
trouble booting it.
Are you able to boot some of your previous kernels? If so, what does
your '/boot/grub/grub.cfg' look like?
What is the output of 'cat /etc/fstab' and 'ls -1 /boot'?
I can still boot 4.0.5 fine, with the same setup. I use lilo, and I
checked that I changed the two/four digits correctly in /etc/lilo.conf.
By chance I left the boot sit there for more than the typical minute,
and got multiple messages like
INFO: rcu_sched self-detected stall on CPU { 3} (t=6 jiffies g=-256
c=-257 q=193)
rcu_sched kthread starved for 50027 jiffies!
right after the above Booting the kernel. line.
Do I need to activate a different kind of clocking or a CPU feature in
4.1.x?
Peter.
Here's how I would go about it:
1. Add loglevel=7 to your kernel parameters and see what it prints before it
hangs.
2. Change your scheduler settings (ie. if you're using the preemptive
scheduler or voluntary premption scheduler switch to the regular one) and try
again.
3. From your kernel parameters I assume you're using the radeon free driver
right? If that's the case disable it (don't compile it in or just delete the
module) and try to boot wiith a framebuffer. If you're using the proprietary
driver it has problem with preemptive kernels, with the 3.18.x series it
started logging a lot of errors which I assume where warnings of some change
yet to come.
4. If all else fails clone the kernel repo (be prepared to download a 2GB
repo) and do a git bisect (google it) between the last kernel that worked and
the first that didn't. That will eventually give you the exact commit that
broke it. From there you can post on the mailing list for the relevant
subsystem or you could try emailing the dev that commited it.
--
Fernando Rodriguez
[gentoo-user] Re: Problems booting vanilla kernel 4.1.x
Peter Weilbacher newsspam at Weilbacher.org writes: 1. Add loglevel=7 to your kernel parameters and see what it prints before it hangs. Any more suggestions? Peter. Hello Peter, Here is a great boot debugging resource that may help [1] It's an Arch doc, but there is plenty of information therein that is generic in nature. Also there is the gentoo crash dump doc that may help [2], but it is for system that are already running; included in case you get that far and still have problems. [1] https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Boot_debugging#netconsole [2] https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Kernel_Crash_Dumps hth, James
Re: [gentoo-user] Problems booting vanilla kernel 4.1.x
On Sat, 29 Aug 2015, Alexander Kapshuk wrote: You probably did look into this yourself, but did you double-check your /etc/lilo.conf? Is everything fine there? At least it's identical between 4.0.5 and 4.1.6: image=/boot/kernel-genkernel-x86_64-4.0.5 label=Linux405 read-only # read-only for checking root=/dev/ram0 append=init=/linuxrc keymap=de ramdisk=8192 real_root=/dev/sda6 splash=verbose,theme:default console=tty1 quiet radeon.modeset=1 video=radeon:mtrr:3,ywrap,1680x1050-32@60 ahci.marvell_enable=0 initrd=/boot/initramfs-genkernel-x86_64-4.0.5 Don't ask me where all those options came from, they grew with time... Here are my RCU kernel config options. What do yours look like? % uname -r 4.1.6-vanilla % grep RCU .config # RCU Subsystem CONFIG_TREE_RCU=y CONFIG_SRCU=y # CONFIG_TASKS_RCU is not set CONFIG_RCU_STALL_COMMON=y CONFIG_RCU_FANOUT=32 CONFIG_RCU_FANOUT_LEAF=16 # CONFIG_RCU_FANOUT_EXACT is not set # CONFIG_RCU_FAST_NO_HZ is not set # CONFIG_TREE_RCU_TRACE is not set CONFIG_RCU_KTHREAD_PRIO=0 # CONFIG_RCU_NOCB_CPU is not set # CONFIG_RCU_EXPEDITE_BOOT is not set # RCU Debugging # CONFIG_PROVE_RCU is not set # CONFIG_SPARSE_RCU_POINTER is not set # CONFIG_RCU_TORTURE_TEST is not set CONFIG_RCU_CPU_STALL_TIMEOUT=21 # CONFIG_RCU_CPU_STALL_INFO is not set # CONFIG_RCU_TRACE is not set Thanks. The only difference to my config there is that I have CONFIG_RCU_FANOUT=64 and CONFIG_RCU_CPU_STALL_TIMEOUT=60 (don't ask me where the values come from, I don't remember ever setting them different from the default). But since that is all the same between 4.0.5 and 4.1.6, I don't think it has anything to do with my problem. Could the RCU message just be telling me that since the machine doesn't properly boot, it doesn't have anything to do? Cheers, Peter.
Re: [gentoo-user] CD ripper that generates song titles?
On Sat, 29 Aug 2015 20:20:45 -0400, Walter Dnes wrote: How do you handle compilation/multi-artist CDs? Please re-read the message you're replying to. An example .inf file is attached. That's what I was missing... There are 3 fields that my algorithm looks at... Albumperformer= 'Various Artists' Performer= 'Various Artists' Tracktitle= 'Johnny Cash / I Walk The Line' So it handles things properly, as long as the .inf files are correct. abcde asks for confirmation if it thinks this is a multi-artist CD (there's probably an option to automate that). Given that there is a separate .inf file for each track, I figure the way it *SHOULD* be done is to have the track title in the Tracktitle field, and the artist in the Performer field. But, no, that's too logical. It does raise the question of what is the point of the Performer field if it's always the same as the Albumperformer. -- Neil Bothwick Top Oxymorons Number 13: Computer jock pgpqzZsqddiLH.pgp Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [gentoo-user] system uptime
On Sun, Aug 30, 2015 at 5:41 AM, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: On 30/08/2015 06:04, Philip Webb wrote: How long do desktop users typically leave their systems between reboots ? How long between power off/on's ? Mine depends. I typically do a deliberate reboot only when wanting a new kernel running. Sometimes it's a few days, often up to a month or more. ++ Typically I reboot every week or two. I try to keep up with stable kernel releases on the latest longterm branch (currently 3.18.20). I'm currently at 19 days, which is a bit on the high side for me, but it seems like 3.18 hasn't had as many updates as some of the other stable series. If you keep a closer eye on security issues and care to track which kernel fixes you do or don't accept, or want to mess with kernel live patching, then you could go longer. I also like to reboot at some frequency just so that if for whatever reason it doesn't reboot I only have a few week's worth of system updates to look at to figure out what changed. I have Gentoo hosts that I don't stay on top of as often and when 5 things break at once I'm playing guessing games (those hosts are all easy to snapshot). -- Rich
[gentoo-user] Fwd: [gentoo-dev] Better way to direct upstream bugs upstream?
On Sun, Aug 30, 2015 at 3:54 AM, Kent Fredric kentfred...@gmail.com wrote: We've had to accept that upstream were being unreasonable, and fork the problem and manage it ourselves. And now we have eudev. This is a very good example of Gentoo standing in between upstream and our users to protect our users from upstream. That's our job. To keep upstream accountable, and shield users from their mistakes. That's a pretty extreme example though. I can't think of a single other package where this was done. More typically Gentoo tends to follow upstream. If a small patch will allow broader compatibility/configurability we tend to deal with it, but if upstream goes in a different direction we tend to support it for the most part. Maintainers aren't required to maintain separate patch sets in general, beyond any fixes needed to comply with QA standards. The thing to keep in mind that in some cases this may be a matter of whether the package gets maintained at all. If a dev doesn't have time to deal with a messy upstream and we try to force them to do so, they will probably just make it maintainer-wanted and we'll see it treecleaned. So, there has to be a balance. In the case where a dev wants to upstream an issue the concern over managing this process is a valid one. I'd say that tracking the bug locally is recommended, but I'd hesitate to make it absolutely mandatory. -- Rich
Re: [gentoo-user] system uptime
Mick wrote: On Sunday 30 Aug 2015 18:05:13 Alan McKinnon wrote: On 30/08/2015 19:00, Dale wrote: Don't forget the clothes dryer to, if you have one. Mine is electric and it pulls as much as my water heater does. I just don't use it as much is all. I forgot about that :-) Add in almost all laundry appliances and kitchen power tools too... Modern appliances with Green stickers on them (whatever they're called) are more efficient by design. To some extent this is also true with PCs. I still have an old Pentium 4 32bit running a couple of test environments and back up storage. I can assure you that the room gets hot after it has been running for a couple of hours! :-) True. My old puter, AMD 2500+ with 3GBs of memory, pulled at least double if not more than my current 4 core AMD with 16GBs of ram. I'm not sure this new one has anything green on it but it is less power hungry. My old also helped heat my old room. It had to be pretty cold outside for me to turn the heat on. My dryer tho, it's about 25 years old. I think it pulls around 4500 watts normally. Considering I have retired the heating element at least 5 or 6 times, it may pull a little more than that now. I might add, it takes longer to dry clothes tho. I fear the day I can't tie that element back together. I doubt I will ever find a element for that old thing. I may have to get some new line for my old fashioned clothes dryer. You know, two trees with a wire between them. A tree limb broke my old one. Dale :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] Advantages or disadvantages of use package.use as directory
Le 2015-08-30 12:41, wraeth a écrit : I wonder if there is some advantage to leaving things as my installation has created them or should I revert to the old way where package.use is file... not a directory. There's no specific advantage to using separate files within a directory to using a single monolithic file other than manageability and some utilities, as far as I'm aware. I think that having separate directories makes things much easier to manage when your system divert in major ways from the official ones. For example in my ARM (and soon MIPS on the Creator) linux I want the mate desktop but not all packages have been tested and approved so I need a lot of entries to get them to compile. I do not want an entirely unstable system so I start with the stable one and customize, only using package that I consider stable enough for my use. Having multiple files makes my life easier. Even if you do not need this kind of stuff it can still be usefull, why cram everything in one file! Michel -- For Linux Software visit http://home.comcast.net/~mcatudal http://sourceforge.net/projects/suzielinux/
Re: [gentoo-user] system uptime
On Sunday 30 Aug 2015 18:05:13 Alan McKinnon wrote: On 30/08/2015 19:00, Dale wrote: Alan McKinnon wrote: On 30/08/2015 17:56, Peter Humphrey wrote: On Sunday 30 August 2015 00:04:43 Philip Webb wrote: How long do desktop users typically leave their systems between reboots ? How long between power off/on's ? I've long been in the habit of switching everything off while I sleep, then restarting after I've woken got going again myself. However recently, I've run into delays getting my router (only 1 device attached) to shake hands successfully with my ISP's server, which have been requiring several power off/on's before it works. As a result, I've started rebooting only after my weekly system update -- it means I get to use the new versions of everything -- not powering off at all ; the monitor + Xscreensaver are off whenever I'm away from the machine for = 1 hr (approx). Are there any pro's/con's I sb aware of ? No-one has yet mentioned taking backups. I'm still using a brute-force approach, in which I shut down each of my two machines once a week to make a backup to external disk. Otherwise they're on 24 hours a day running BOINC projects. On the desktop PC kmail makes a daily archive of messages, and once a day a cron job copies my user directory to /home/me.bu/ . I know it burns energy but I'm prepared to make my small contribution to what I think is a good cause. A desktop or laptop will typically draw far less power than a single 60W incandescent bulb. I bet you have quite a lot of those. Even if not, the CFLs you'll have to give you light at night still draw much much more than a computer. If saving energy is your personal driver, then you should be looking at water heaters, central heaters, aircon and stove as the main culprits. Everything else, whilst measurable, is a small drop in the bucket and probably not worth worrying about. Assuming of course that your computer is a desktop/laptop, and not a 42U cabinet jam packed full of Dell 2950s Don't forget the clothes dryer to, if you have one. Mine is electric and it pulls as much as my water heater does. I just don't use it as much is all. I forgot about that :-) Add in almost all laundry appliances and kitchen power tools too... Modern appliances with Green stickers on them (whatever they're called) are more efficient by design. To some extent this is also true with PCs. I still have an old Pentium 4 32bit running a couple of test environments and back up storage. I can assure you that the room gets hot after it has been running for a couple of hours! :-) -- Regards, Mick signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] system uptime
I personally find it beneficial to backup to an online source locally or in an online storage service (as long as encryption incurs etc). DVD are indeed limited in life. You are still better off with other offline storage mediums such as an external hdd or tape indeed. I've found crashplans unlimited storage 10 machine online backup solution to be an excellent solution for desktop machines where connectivity is not guaranteed for cronnd rsyncs etc. Of course it relies on running a fat jar , but it works. As to uptime, I keep my windows desktops machine online more than my linux desktops just due to how frequent kernel updates occur. On Aug 30, 2015 7:11 PM, Michel Catudal mcatu...@comcast.net wrote: Le 2015-08-30 11:56, Peter Humphrey a écrit : On Sunday 30 August 2015 00:04:43 Philip Webb wrote: How long do desktop users typically leave their systems between reboots ? How long between power off/on's ? I've long been in the habit of switching everything off while I sleep, then restarting after I've woken got going again myself. However recently, I've run into delays getting my router (only 1 device attached) to shake hands successfully with my ISP's server, which have been requiring several power off/on's before it works. As a result, I've started rebooting only after my weekly system update -- it means I get to use the new versions of everything -- not powering off at all ; the monitor + Xscreensaver are off whenever I'm away from the machine for = 1 hr (approx). Are there any pro's/con's I sb aware of ? No-one has yet mentioned taking backups. I'm still using a brute-force approach, in which I shut down each of my two machines once a week to make a backup to external disk. Otherwise they're on 24 hours a day running BOINC projects. On the desktop PC kmail makes a daily archive of messages, and once a day a cron job copies my user directory to /home/me.bu/ . I know it burns energy but I'm prepared to make my small contribution to what I think is a good cause. Backups are vital for a server in company. At work we do a backup every day. At home, it depends how important your stuff is. For pictures you should always copy them on DVD. I regularly backup pictures for people who have ususable windows systems, for them the pictures are the most important stuff but they do not back them up. Personally I don't like to do regular backups because that involves too many DVDs. I probably should do my backups more often. I do have 3 2TB hard disks with important data copied on each for redudancy. I also have some backups on a 500G driver which is not powered usually. I also make some backup on DVDs sometimes. Anything that is of extreme importance I have in several DVDs which I make copies of every few months. I remembered that in the early days of CD that their life was rather limited and am not taking chances on DVD even though I think the technology is a lot better. -- For Linux Software visit http://home.comcast.net/~mcatudal http://sourceforge.net/projects/suzielinux/
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: ncurses: reductio ad absurdum
On Saturday, August 29, 2015 6:13:30 PM Dale wrote: Fernando Rodriguez wrote: On Saturday, August 29, 2015 10:48:16 AM Dale wrote: Todd Goodman wrote: * Philip Webb purs...@ca.inter.net [150828 18:35]: 150828 Rich Freeman wrote: To really appreciate git you should understand git objects and their references, what a commit, tree, and blob are. Also, the whole copy-on-write concept and content-hashing concept. I used to think git looked really complicated until I sat through a 1 hr talk that focused mostly on the data model. Once you understand the data model, you understand everything. That doesn't take a lot of time. It does take a moderate amount of time learning the right things. They're not found in the manpages. Like I said, beautiful design, horrible interface. So is there a Gentoo doc -- Wiki, presumably -- explaining to users -- users, not dev's or Git addicts -- the essentials of Git, so that they can readily update using it ? If so, I'm willing to see if I can use it ; if not, I would suggest it sb a top priority for dev's to write. You don't *need* to know anything about git to update using it. Just change your /etc/portage/repos.conf/gentoo.conf as Rich outlined (and move away your rsync'd /usr/portage or wherever your portage tree goes.) Then when you emerge --sync (or emaint -A sync, etc.) it will sync via git and emerge will work as always. Now if you want to do more or just want to learn more about git then that's different. Todd I think what we are talking about is viewing things like the changelogs and such, which are currently not synced with the tree. Or did we change to some other topic and I missed it? I tracked back to Alan Mackenzie's split of this thread . Dale :-) :-) It's probably easier to do this: # cd /usr/portage # rm -r * # git clone repo-uri . Then do the repos.conf changes. That way you don't have to worry about portage doing a shallow clone. If you already did it then just unshallow it as Rich pointed. Then to view the logs just: #cd /usr/portage/cat/pkg #git log . Then 'git show first few digits of commit hash' to view a commit diff. You can use git use dev-vcs/tig if you find it easier though I thought it was pretty useless so it only lasted about 10 secs. in my system. So basicly the only change is that instead of: # less ChangeLog (or whatever you use to read logs) You'll do: # git log . Actually, I use eix-sync to sync my tree. However I do it, I want it done within the usual setup and commands. Given the bumps we've already seen, I'm not wanting to change that just yet. Let the devs work out some of the kinks first. I use eix-sync too, it just calls emerge --sync so it's the same. I'm not in a hurry to switch the main tree to git either. If they bring change logs to rsync I'll stick with it as long as it's supported. Git will just be more wasteful of disk space and has other potential problems that rsync doesn't. I think it's great of version control but not so much for this. Oh, I use Kwrite to read the changelogs. If I'm stuck in a console, nano, head or cat works. Well, it did in the past anyway. May not now tho. Dale :-) :-) -- Fernando Rodriguez
Re: [gentoo-user] Problems booting vanilla kernel 4.1.x
Hi Fernando, On Sun, 30 Aug 2015, Fernando Rodriguez wrote: 1. Add loglevel=7 to your kernel parameters and see what it prints before it hangs. That helped, it showed me something about drm, so... 3. From your kernel parameters I assume you're using the radeon free driver right? If that's the case disable it (don't compile it in or just delete the module) and try to boot wiith a framebuffer. ... this was a good suggestion. Switching off DRM/Radeon gets me a kernel that boots. However, with that config I cannot run X (which then complains about missing kernel mode switching). If I follow wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Xorg/Guide#Kernel_modesetting I again arrive at the kernel settings that I previously had and which didn't work with 4.1.x. Any more suggestions? Peter.
Re: [gentoo-user] system uptime
Le 2015-08-30 00:04, Philip Webb a écrit : How long do desktop users typically leave their systems between reboots ? How long between power off/on's ? I've long been in the habit of switching everything off while I sleep, then restarting after I've woken got going again myself. However recently, I've run into delays getting my router (only 1 device attached) to shake hands successfully with my ISP's server, which have been requiring several power off/on's before it works. As a result, I've started rebooting only after my weekly system update -- it means I get to use the new versions of everything -- not powering off at all ; the monitor + Xscreensaver are off whenever I'm away from the machine for = 1 hr (approx). Are there any pro's/con's I sb aware of ? For reboots many users may choose to reboot when they do changes, perhaps habit from windows or OS/2. It is usually not necessary unless you change your kernel or bootloader. As for shutdowns there are several arguments for and against. What often kills electronic is the shock between hot and cold so there is an argument about keeping the system on. Whether it is always safe to keep the computer on all the time remains to be proven. My son always leaves his computer on and I had to recently replace it, the mother board was gone. Mine which was purchased around the same time has had no issues, I shutdown every night unless I need to do some updates. An argument against it would be wasting energy. Computers are cheap, so are hard disk. Unless you run a server that has to be on all the time there is no logic in keeping the computer on unless you can get it to go sleep. -- For Linux Software visit http://home.comcast.net/~mcatudal http://sourceforge.net/projects/suzielinux/
Re: [gentoo-user] system uptime
Hello, Philip. On Sun, Aug 30, 2015 at 12:04:43AM -0400, Philip Webb wrote: How long do desktop users typically leave their systems between reboots ? How long between power off/on's ? I switch my PC on in the morning when I want to start using it. I switch it off before going to bed, or going out shopping, or things like that. I don't like wasting electricity. I've long been in the habit of switching everything off while I sleep, then restarting after I've woken got going again myself. However recently, I've run into delays getting my router (only 1 device attached) to shake hands successfully with my ISP's server, which have been requiring several power off/on's before it works. Unfortunately, I need to leave my router permanently powered up, which I resent. German telephone companies have been offering only VOIP telephone connections for some while, now, which basically means that instead of the companies converting IP packets into a telephone signal, every subscriber's got to do it himself. So where people could previously simply buy a telephone handset and plug it into the wall, they've now potentially got to spend extra on a router and somehow manage to configure that router. And of course, the router contuously wastes electricity, waiting for that occasional incoming call, whereas previously the handset was only powered up, from the exchange, when a call was in progress. Progress this is not. As a result, I've started rebooting only after my weekly system update -- it means I get to use the new versions of everything -- not powering off at all ; the monitor + Xscreensaver are off whenever I'm away from the machine for = 1 hr (approx). Are there any pro's/con's I sb aware of ? -- ,, SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca -- Alan Mackenzie (Nuremberg, Germany).
Re:[gentoo-user][SOLVED] emerge --oneshot portage - conflict
All it was needed was in portage.use # required by app-portage/gentoolkit-0.3.0.9-r2 # required by app-portage/gentoolkit (argument) =sys-apps/portage-2.2.20.1 python_targets_python3_3 Thelma On 08/30/2015 08:43 AM, Mick wrote: On Saturday 29 Aug 2015 20:36:04 neu pat wrote: I emerge python3.4 set as active: eselect python list Available Python interpreters: [1] python2.7 [2] python3.3 [3] python3.4 * but it still complain about Multiple package instances [ebuild U ] sys-apps/portage-2.2.20.1 [2.2.14] PYTHON_TARGETS=python3_4* -python3_3* !!! Multiple package instances within a single package slot have been pulled !!! into the dependency graph, resulting in a slot conflict: sys-apps/portage:0 (sys-apps/portage-2.2.20.1:0/0::gentoo, ebuild scheduled for merge) pulled in by sys-apps/portage (Argument) (sys-apps/portage-2.2.14:0/0::gentoo, installed) pulled in by sys-apps/portage[python_targets_python2_7(-)?,python_targets_python3_3(-)?, -python_single_target_python2_7(-),-python_single_target_python3_3(-)] required by (app-admin/webapp-config-1.52-r1:0/0::gentoo, installed) sys-apps/portage[python_targets_python2_7(-)?,python_targets_python3_3(-)?, python_targets_python3_4(-)?,python_targets_pypy(-)?,-python_single_target_ python2_7(-),-python_single_target_python3_3(-),-python_single_target_pytho n3_4(-),-python_single_target_pypy(-)] required by (app-portage/gentoolkit-0.3.0.9-r2:0/0::gentoo, installed) How to fix it? #joseph Try the --newuse flag, after you remove any 'python_targets_python3_3' entries you have inadvertently left in your /etc/portage/package.use
Re: [gentoo-user] system uptime
On Sun, Aug 30, 2015 at 11:56 AM, Peter Humphrey pe...@prh.myzen.co.uk wrote: No-one has yet mentioned taking backups. I'm still using a brute-force approach, in which I shut down each of my two machines once a week to make a backup to external disk. I have a multi-tier strategy. Anything I'm going to complain about losing is backed up daily to S3 with duplicity, end of story. Stuff like MythTV recordings and such which would be an inconvenience to lose gets backed up daily to ext4 just in case btrfs gives out on me. Otherwise I trust mirroring enough for that sort of thing. If it isn't automatic, daily, and offsite, it isn't backed up as far as I'm concerned. -- Rich
Re: [gentoo-user] Advantages or disadvantages of use package.use as directory
I'd already typed up this response when I saw the one from Alan come in; figured I'd send it anyway - two responses that essentially agree are better than one, right? On 08/31/2015 02:15 AM, Harry Putnam wrote: I see there have been a change in how we list our specific use flags. I'm seeing /etc/portage/package.use/ pkg1 pkg2 ... etc rather than package.use as a file that contains the specific pkgs and use flags. I'm not certain when it was introduced, but this has been around for a few years now. I wonder if there is some advantage to leaving things as my installation has created them or should I revert to the old way where package.use is file... not a directory. There's no specific advantage to using separate files within a directory to using a single monolithic file other than manageability and some utilities, as far as I'm aware. If directory is better then how would I list USE flags for emacs-vcs? snip So what is the correct format? Create a file within the package.use directory, named whatever seems reasonable to you, and put the contents: app-editors/emacs-vcs Xaw3d athena gnutls imagemagick toolkit-scroll-bars Enter a single package atom followed by any use flag changes - flag name to enable, minus flag name to disable. In case the above example wrapped, keep the package atom and the flags on a single line. As far as I'm aware, you can't nest files within subdirectories of package.use, and the man page doesn't mention version ranges - it's example is an exact atom (=) and wildcards (see portage(5) man page). -- wraeth wra...@wraeth.id.au GnuPG Key: B2D9F759 signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [gentoo-user] system uptime
Alan McKinnon wrote: On 30/08/2015 17:56, Peter Humphrey wrote: On Sunday 30 August 2015 00:04:43 Philip Webb wrote: How long do desktop users typically leave their systems between reboots ? How long between power off/on's ? I've long been in the habit of switching everything off while I sleep, then restarting after I've woken got going again myself. However recently, I've run into delays getting my router (only 1 device attached) to shake hands successfully with my ISP's server, which have been requiring several power off/on's before it works. As a result, I've started rebooting only after my weekly system update -- it means I get to use the new versions of everything -- not powering off at all ; the monitor + Xscreensaver are off whenever I'm away from the machine for = 1 hr (approx). Are there any pro's/con's I sb aware of ? No-one has yet mentioned taking backups. I'm still using a brute-force approach, in which I shut down each of my two machines once a week to make a backup to external disk. Otherwise they're on 24 hours a day running BOINC projects. On the desktop PC kmail makes a daily archive of messages, and once a day a cron job copies my user directory to /home/me.bu/ . I know it burns energy but I'm prepared to make my small contribution to what I think is a good cause. A desktop or laptop will typically draw far less power than a single 60W incandescent bulb. I bet you have quite a lot of those. Even if not, the CFLs you'll have to give you light at night still draw much much more than a computer. If saving energy is your personal driver, then you should be looking at water heaters, central heaters, aircon and stove as the main culprits. Everything else, whilst measurable, is a small drop in the bucket and probably not worth worrying about. Assuming of course that your computer is a desktop/laptop, and not a 42U cabinet jam packed full of Dell 2950s Don't forget the clothes dryer to, if you have one. Mine is electric and it pulls as much as my water heater does. I just don't use it as much is all. Dale :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] system uptime
Le 2015-08-30 11:56, Peter Humphrey a écrit : On Sunday 30 August 2015 00:04:43 Philip Webb wrote: How long do desktop users typically leave their systems between reboots ? How long between power off/on's ? I've long been in the habit of switching everything off while I sleep, then restarting after I've woken got going again myself. However recently, I've run into delays getting my router (only 1 device attached) to shake hands successfully with my ISP's server, which have been requiring several power off/on's before it works. As a result, I've started rebooting only after my weekly system update -- it means I get to use the new versions of everything -- not powering off at all ; the monitor + Xscreensaver are off whenever I'm away from the machine for = 1 hr (approx). Are there any pro's/con's I sb aware of ? No-one has yet mentioned taking backups. I'm still using a brute-force approach, in which I shut down each of my two machines once a week to make a backup to external disk. Otherwise they're on 24 hours a day running BOINC projects. On the desktop PC kmail makes a daily archive of messages, and once a day a cron job copies my user directory to /home/me.bu/ . I know it burns energy but I'm prepared to make my small contribution to what I think is a good cause. Backups are vital for a server in company. At work we do a backup every day. At home, it depends how important your stuff is. For pictures you should always copy them on DVD. I regularly backup pictures for people who have ususable windows systems, for them the pictures are the most important stuff but they do not back them up. Personally I don't like to do regular backups because that involves too many DVDs. I probably should do my backups more often. I do have 3 2TB hard disks with important data copied on each for redudancy. I also have some backups on a 500G driver which is not powered usually. I also make some backup on DVDs sometimes. Anything that is of extreme importance I have in several DVDs which I make copies of every few months. I remembered that in the early days of CD that their life was rather limited and am not taking chances on DVD even though I think the technology is a lot better. -- For Linux Software visit http://home.comcast.net/~mcatudal http://sourceforge.net/projects/suzielinux/
Re: [gentoo-user] system uptime
Mick wrote: On Sunday 30 Aug 2015 08:54:16 Dale wrote: cov...@ccs.covici.com wrote: Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: The biggest reason I shutdown, power failure. I use checkrestart to see if/when I need to restart something after doing updates. If for example I update something in the @system area, then I just logout of the GUI, go to boot runlevel, run checkrestart again to see if that did it and then go back to default runlevel. Sometimes, I have to restart something by hand instead of rebooting but not to often. Generally just going to boot runlevel gets the job done. One thing about not rebooting a lot, you use cache a lot which can speed some things up a bit. I have 16GBs here and most of the time, it is almost all used. How much that helps, I dunno but if it didn't help, they wouldn't have it doing it. Another good side, run updates while you sleep. The only bad side, more wear on things like fans and some extra dust. I try to clean my rig at least twice a year or whenever I notice the temps a little higher than they should be. Oh, pulls power all the time which may not matter much depending on your electricity rates. Of course, fixing that connection issue may be a good idea too. ;-) hmmm, if you go to boot run level what is the difference between that and rebooting? After a major update there are so many things to restart that I usually give up and reboot the system, is actually quicker. H, this quoting thing didn't work right again. For me, it is faster. Also, rebooting can uncover a problem that I might not know about. I've had a few times where I couldn't reboot for some unknown reason. Plus, all the common stuff remains in cache. Most of the time tho, just logging out of a GUI, KDE for me, is enough. Using checkrestart should tell me exactly what needs to be restarted and most of the time how. About the only thing I have to restart manually, udev. It's one thing that has a regular update that doesn't restart since it is already started before getting to the boot runlevel. To each his own tho. All of us has our own way of doing things of this nature and for varying reasons. Some shutdown because electricity is expensive. For some, that doesn't matter. Some do it to just reduce noise from the fans etc. One reason I leave mine on all the time is that I almost always have mine doing something. I have tons of TV shows and such on here. If I'm not doing something myself, I have it doing something. Dale :-) :-) What do you do if you install a new kernel? You have to reboot then, yes? Of course. Don't you? I just don't have a huge need to update the kernel that often. I'm not running some server that has to worry about getting hacked 10,000 times a day. I just update it when I can. I might add, I'm stuck on the current kernel because NONE of the newer ones will boot. There's another thread on that where someone else has the issue. So, until that is fixed and I CAN update, no need worrying about a new kernel needing to be loaded. That just leaves me with power failures and such. Dale :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] system uptime
Am 30.08.2015 um 06:04 schrieb Philip Webb: How long do desktop users typically leave their systems between reboots ? How long between power off/on's ? I've long been in the habit of switching everything off while I sleep, then restarting after I've woken got going again myself. However recently, I've run into delays getting my router (only 1 device attached) to shake hands successfully with my ISP's server, which have been requiring several power off/on's before it works. As a result, I've started rebooting only after my weekly system update -- it means I get to use the new versions of everything -- not powering off at all ; the monitor + Xscreensaver are off whenever I'm away from the machine for = 1 hr (approx). Are there any pro's/con's I sb aware of ? suspend to ram. Only reboot when there is a kernel update I actually install.
Re: [gentoo-user] system uptime
Am 30.08.2015 um 15:26 schrieb Alan Mackenzie: Hello, Philip. On Sun, Aug 30, 2015 at 12:04:43AM -0400, Philip Webb wrote: How long do desktop users typically leave their systems between reboots ? How long between power off/on's ? I switch my PC on in the morning when I want to start using it. I switch it off before going to bed, or going out shopping, or things like that. I don't like wasting electricity. I've long been in the habit of switching everything off while I sleep, then restarting after I've woken got going again myself. However recently, I've run into delays getting my router (only 1 device attached) to shake hands successfully with my ISP's server, which have been requiring several power off/on's before it works. Unfortunately, I need to leave my router permanently powered up, which I resent. yeah, a fritzbox needs so much power
Re: [gentoo-user] Advantages or disadvantages of use package.use as directory
On 30/08/2015 18:15, Harry Putnam wrote: I see there have been a change in how we list our specific use flags. It's been around for 5+ years or so I'm seeing /etc/portage/package.use/ pkg1 pkg2 ... etc rather than package.use as a file that contains the specific pkgs and use flags. I wonder if there is some advantage to leaving things as my installation has created them or should I revert to the old way where package.use is file... not a directory. It's the same advantage as having /etc/*.d directories: - package managers can add/remove/change single files without having to grep/sed/awk everything in one file (unreliably) - tools like autounmask will work, whereas before they were hit and go - if you name the files after specific packages or categories you can see at a glance where you've made changes If directory is better then how would I list USE flags for emacs-vcs? /etc/portage/package.use/and-valid-filename-you-feel-like-using Just create a file `/etc/portage/package.use/emacs-vcs' with USE flags yes Or do I need to create another direrctorry within like: /etc/portage/package.use/app-editors/emacs-vcs? no I tried the later like so: /etc/portage/package.use/app-editors/emacs-vcs where emacs-vcs contains: emacs-vcs Xaw3d athena gnutls imagemagick toolkit-scroll-bars and this way: =app-editors/emacs-vcs-25.0.50_pre20150731 Xaw3d athena gnutls imagemagick toolkit-scroll-bars But when I attempt emerging... the USE flags do not reflect those choices and shows and error: --- Invalid atom in /etc/portage/package.use/app-editors/emacs-vcs: =app-editors/emacs-vcs So what is the correct format? Both your above are completely wrong. The docs clearly and unambiguously say the exact format inside the file is identical whether you use a package.use file, or any old arb filename you want inside a package.use/ directory You have not done this, you have let your confused brain override what your eyes can clearly see, and have invented something new to do that is not in the docs. Tut, tut. Read the docs again and do what they say. -- Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com
Re: [gentoo-user] system uptime
On 30/08/2015 17:24, Daniel Frey wrote: On 08/30/2015 06:24 AM, Michel Catudal wrote: As for shutdowns there are several arguments for and against. What often kills electronic is the shock between hot and cold so there is an argument about keeping the system on. Whether it is always safe to keep the computer on all the time remains to be proven. Recently I've had to help someone migrate off of a failed computer. This computer was old (I had to find an IDE adapter to recover some files) from late 90s/early 00s. Some time ago I told him to have it running all the time, mostly because of age. So he kept it running nonstop and literally a week or two ago shut it down as he was getting new flooring installed. He called me after hooking it back up again as it wouldn't start. I went over to check and the motherboard finally failed. He hadn't powered it off in 4-5 years. For myself I use a smart power bar and suspend my PC when not in use. This caused me all sorts of grief with systemd hanging on shutdown after a suspend, ultimately causing my RAID array to be rebuilt on every reboot/shutdown and so I've finally abandoned it and am running openrc again. The only thing about using suspend is that if the PC is in a sleep state it won't wake up and shut down when the power goes out. This just happened to me yesterday (big wind storm here.) One of the reasons sysadmins have old servers out there that still have huge uptimes, is that we dare not switch them off. We don't know if the drives will spin up again from cold! Technically, we should do a power down test every 6 months or so, but that turns out not to be a yes/no test in real life; it's a yes/destroy test and no-one wants to make a decision either way. So we all sit in limbo and wait for some exterior event to decide for us (like black-outs) Sad, init? -- Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com
Re: [gentoo-user] system uptime
On 30/08/2015 17:56, Peter Humphrey wrote: On Sunday 30 August 2015 00:04:43 Philip Webb wrote: How long do desktop users typically leave their systems between reboots ? How long between power off/on's ? I've long been in the habit of switching everything off while I sleep, then restarting after I've woken got going again myself. However recently, I've run into delays getting my router (only 1 device attached) to shake hands successfully with my ISP's server, which have been requiring several power off/on's before it works. As a result, I've started rebooting only after my weekly system update -- it means I get to use the new versions of everything -- not powering off at all ; the monitor + Xscreensaver are off whenever I'm away from the machine for = 1 hr (approx). Are there any pro's/con's I sb aware of ? No-one has yet mentioned taking backups. I'm still using a brute-force approach, in which I shut down each of my two machines once a week to make a backup to external disk. Otherwise they're on 24 hours a day running BOINC projects. On the desktop PC kmail makes a daily archive of messages, and once a day a cron job copies my user directory to /home/me.bu/ . I know it burns energy but I'm prepared to make my small contribution to what I think is a good cause. A desktop or laptop will typically draw far less power than a single 60W incandescent bulb. I bet you have quite a lot of those. Even if not, the CFLs you'll have to give you light at night still draw much much more than a computer. If saving energy is your personal driver, then you should be looking at water heaters, central heaters, aircon and stove as the main culprits. Everything else, whilst measurable, is a small drop in the bucket and probably not worth worrying about. Assuming of course that your computer is a desktop/laptop, and not a 42U cabinet jam packed full of Dell 2950s -- Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com
Re: [gentoo-user] emerge --oneshot portage - conflict
On Saturday 29 Aug 2015 20:36:04 neu pat wrote: I emerge python3.4 set as active: eselect python list Available Python interpreters: [1] python2.7 [2] python3.3 [3] python3.4 * but it still complain about Multiple package instances [ebuild U ] sys-apps/portage-2.2.20.1 [2.2.14] PYTHON_TARGETS=python3_4* -python3_3* !!! Multiple package instances within a single package slot have been pulled !!! into the dependency graph, resulting in a slot conflict: sys-apps/portage:0 (sys-apps/portage-2.2.20.1:0/0::gentoo, ebuild scheduled for merge) pulled in by sys-apps/portage (Argument) (sys-apps/portage-2.2.14:0/0::gentoo, installed) pulled in by sys-apps/portage[python_targets_python2_7(-)?,python_targets_python3_3(-)?, -python_single_target_python2_7(-),-python_single_target_python3_3(-)] required by (app-admin/webapp-config-1.52-r1:0/0::gentoo, installed) sys-apps/portage[python_targets_python2_7(-)?,python_targets_python3_3(-)?, python_targets_python3_4(-)?,python_targets_pypy(-)?,-python_single_target_ python2_7(-),-python_single_target_python3_3(-),-python_single_target_pytho n3_4(-),-python_single_target_pypy(-)] required by (app-portage/gentoolkit-0.3.0.9-r2:0/0::gentoo, installed) How to fix it? #joseph Try the --newuse flag, after you remove any 'python_targets_python3_3' entries you have inadvertently left in your /etc/portage/package.use -- Regards, Mick signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] system uptime
On Sun, Aug 30, 2015 at 11:54 AM, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: Technically, we should do a power down test every 6 months or so, but that turns out not to be a yes/no test in real life; it's a yes/destroy test and no-one wants to make a decision either way. So we all sit in limbo and wait for some exterior event to decide for us (like black-outs) Half the time these are ancient services that have long been replaced but nobody can bring themselves to make the call to get rid of the old servers. Maybe there were 10M records in the database and 9.998M of them were migrated to a new database, but due to some issue the rest couldn't be, so the old server stays up just in case anybody ever needs the old data, and so on. Typically these would just stick around until finally some hardware component fails, and then it gets written off. Sadly, this course of forcing hands seems to be going away. At work somebody tried to hand me an ancient system to look after in my spare time. Apparently they just finished virtualizing it. Go figure - they have VAX VMs available for Linux these days. The problem is that KT and maintaining documentation and not being the person who gets the finger pointed at when something goes wrong costs the company time and money, and in this case for almost zero value. Usually the problems with technology aren't technical in nature... -- Rich
Re: [gentoo-user] emerge fails with `Suspicious PERL5LIB setting's
On Sun, 30 August 2015, at 7:37 am, Harry Putnam rea...@newsguy.com wrote: ... I've been building cpan packages and have them installed at the locations mentioned above. Then, to get perl to include them in `@INC', I've utilized the PERL5LIB variable in one of my login scripts, just as it appears in the error. If you want to install Perl packages which aren't in Portage, then the supported method is using app-portage/g-cpan. Stroller.
Re: [gentoo-user] system uptime
On 30/08/2015 19:00, Dale wrote: Alan McKinnon wrote: On 30/08/2015 17:56, Peter Humphrey wrote: On Sunday 30 August 2015 00:04:43 Philip Webb wrote: How long do desktop users typically leave their systems between reboots ? How long between power off/on's ? I've long been in the habit of switching everything off while I sleep, then restarting after I've woken got going again myself. However recently, I've run into delays getting my router (only 1 device attached) to shake hands successfully with my ISP's server, which have been requiring several power off/on's before it works. As a result, I've started rebooting only after my weekly system update -- it means I get to use the new versions of everything -- not powering off at all ; the monitor + Xscreensaver are off whenever I'm away from the machine for = 1 hr (approx). Are there any pro's/con's I sb aware of ? No-one has yet mentioned taking backups. I'm still using a brute-force approach, in which I shut down each of my two machines once a week to make a backup to external disk. Otherwise they're on 24 hours a day running BOINC projects. On the desktop PC kmail makes a daily archive of messages, and once a day a cron job copies my user directory to /home/me.bu/ . I know it burns energy but I'm prepared to make my small contribution to what I think is a good cause. A desktop or laptop will typically draw far less power than a single 60W incandescent bulb. I bet you have quite a lot of those. Even if not, the CFLs you'll have to give you light at night still draw much much more than a computer. If saving energy is your personal driver, then you should be looking at water heaters, central heaters, aircon and stove as the main culprits. Everything else, whilst measurable, is a small drop in the bucket and probably not worth worrying about. Assuming of course that your computer is a desktop/laptop, and not a 42U cabinet jam packed full of Dell 2950s Don't forget the clothes dryer to, if you have one. Mine is electric and it pulls as much as my water heater does. I just don't use it as much is all. I forgot about that :-) Add in almost all laundry appliances and kitchen power tools too... -- Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com
Re: [gentoo-user] system uptime
On Sun, Aug 30, 2015 at 9:26 AM, Alan Mackenzie a...@muc.de wrote: On Sun, Aug 30, 2015 at 12:04:43AM -0400, Philip Webb wrote: How long do desktop users typically leave their systems between reboots ? How long between power off/on's ? I switch my PC on in the morning when I want to start using it. I switch it off before going to bed, or going out shopping, or things like that. I don't like wasting electricity. Most discussions I've read on this matter tend to end up around here, both for economy and wear. Turn on the computer when you are going to need it, and turn it off at the end of the day, or similar. It probably isn't worth powering it off for lunch (though I do put it to sleep). For my server it runs 24x7. I'm always amused when I look at the SMART stats on failed drives. They usually have thousands of hours of power-on time, and maybe a dozen spin-ups. Then again, that one batch of Seagate 1TB drives seemed to die barely broken in (suffice it to say I've gotten very proficient at their RMA process, which is decent). -- Rich
Re: [gentoo-user] system uptime
On Sunday 30 Aug 2015 14:26:36 Alan Mackenzie wrote: Hello, Philip. On Sun, Aug 30, 2015 at 12:04:43AM -0400, Philip Webb wrote: How long do desktop users typically leave their systems between reboots ? How long between power off/on's ? I switch my PC on in the morning when I want to start using it. I switch it off before going to bed, or going out shopping, or things like that. I don't like wasting electricity. Same here. Unless I am somewhere near the desk the laptop is on sleep. Overnight it is shut down. I've long been in the habit of switching everything off while I sleep, then restarting after I've woken got going again myself. However recently, I've run into delays getting my router (only 1 device attached) to shake hands successfully with my ISP's server, which have been requiring several power off/on's before it works. I think that it may be better troubleshooting your ISP PPPoE negotiation (or whatever protocol they are using) than changing your usage habits. Well, I would be doing this anyway, out of curiosity. :-) Unfortunately, I need to leave my router permanently powered up, which I resent. German telephone companies have been offering only VOIP telephone connections for some while, now, which basically means that instead of the companies converting IP packets into a telephone signal, every subscriber's got to do it himself. So where people could previously simply buy a telephone handset and plug it into the wall, they've now potentially got to spend extra on a router and somehow manage to configure that router. And of course, the router contuously wastes electricity, waiting for that occasional incoming call, whereas previously the handset was only powered up, from the exchange, when a call was in progress. Progress this is not. I Power cuts can cause re-syncs and a lower sync rate for my connection, so I leave the router powered up 24-7 and connected to a UPS. The waste of electricity is tiny. As a result, I've started rebooting only after my weekly system update -- it means I get to use the new versions of everything -- not powering off at all ; the monitor + Xscreensaver are off whenever I'm away from the machine for = 1 hr (approx). Are there any pro's/con's I sb aware of ? As others have mentioned consider hibernation for overnight purposes (S4) and sleep (S3) for when you are away from your desk for longer periods of time. However, I would be intrigued as to what might be wrong with the ISP network authentication. ;-) -- Regards, Mick signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] system uptime
On Sunday 30 August 2015 00:04:43 Philip Webb wrote: How long do desktop users typically leave their systems between reboots ? How long between power off/on's ? I've long been in the habit of switching everything off while I sleep, then restarting after I've woken got going again myself. However recently, I've run into delays getting my router (only 1 device attached) to shake hands successfully with my ISP's server, which have been requiring several power off/on's before it works. As a result, I've started rebooting only after my weekly system update -- it means I get to use the new versions of everything -- not powering off at all ; the monitor + Xscreensaver are off whenever I'm away from the machine for = 1 hr (approx). Are there any pro's/con's I sb aware of ? No-one has yet mentioned taking backups. I'm still using a brute-force approach, in which I shut down each of my two machines once a week to make a backup to external disk. Otherwise they're on 24 hours a day running BOINC projects. On the desktop PC kmail makes a daily archive of messages, and once a day a cron job copies my user directory to /home/me.bu/ . I know it burns energy but I'm prepared to make my small contribution to what I think is a good cause. -- Rgds Peter
[gentoo-user] Advantages or disadvantages of use package.use as directory
I see there have been a change in how we list our specific use flags. I'm seeing /etc/portage/package.use/ pkg1 pkg2 ... etc rather than package.use as a file that contains the specific pkgs and use flags. I wonder if there is some advantage to leaving things as my installation has created them or should I revert to the old way where package.use is file... not a directory. If directory is better then how would I list USE flags for emacs-vcs? Just create a file `/etc/portage/package.use/emacs-vcs' with USE flags Or do I need to create another direrctorry within like: /etc/portage/package.use/app-editors/emacs-vcs? I tried the later like so: /etc/portage/package.use/app-editors/emacs-vcs where emacs-vcs contains: emacs-vcs Xaw3d athena gnutls imagemagick toolkit-scroll-bars and this way: =app-editors/emacs-vcs-25.0.50_pre20150731 Xaw3d athena gnutls imagemagick toolkit-scroll-bars But when I attempt emerging... the USE flags do not reflect those choices and shows and error: --- Invalid atom in /etc/portage/package.use/app-editors/emacs-vcs: =app-editors/emacs-vcs So what is the correct format?
Re: [gentoo-user] system uptime
On Sunday 30 Aug 2015 08:54:16 Dale wrote: cov...@ccs.covici.com wrote: Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: The biggest reason I shutdown, power failure. I use checkrestart to see if/when I need to restart something after doing updates. If for example I update something in the @system area, then I just logout of the GUI, go to boot runlevel, run checkrestart again to see if that did it and then go back to default runlevel. Sometimes, I have to restart something by hand instead of rebooting but not to often. Generally just going to boot runlevel gets the job done. One thing about not rebooting a lot, you use cache a lot which can speed some things up a bit. I have 16GBs here and most of the time, it is almost all used. How much that helps, I dunno but if it didn't help, they wouldn't have it doing it. Another good side, run updates while you sleep. The only bad side, more wear on things like fans and some extra dust. I try to clean my rig at least twice a year or whenever I notice the temps a little higher than they should be. Oh, pulls power all the time which may not matter much depending on your electricity rates. Of course, fixing that connection issue may be a good idea too. ;-) hmmm, if you go to boot run level what is the difference between that and rebooting? After a major update there are so many things to restart that I usually give up and reboot the system, is actually quicker. H, this quoting thing didn't work right again. For me, it is faster. Also, rebooting can uncover a problem that I might not know about. I've had a few times where I couldn't reboot for some unknown reason. Plus, all the common stuff remains in cache. Most of the time tho, just logging out of a GUI, KDE for me, is enough. Using checkrestart should tell me exactly what needs to be restarted and most of the time how. About the only thing I have to restart manually, udev. It's one thing that has a regular update that doesn't restart since it is already started before getting to the boot runlevel. To each his own tho. All of us has our own way of doing things of this nature and for varying reasons. Some shutdown because electricity is expensive. For some, that doesn't matter. Some do it to just reduce noise from the fans etc. One reason I leave mine on all the time is that I almost always have mine doing something. I have tons of TV shows and such on here. If I'm not doing something myself, I have it doing something. Dale :-) :-) What do you do if you install a new kernel? You have to reboot then, yes? -- Regards, Mick signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] system uptime
On Sun, Aug 30, 2015 at 12:04:43AM -0400, Philip Webb wrote: How long do desktop users typically leave their systems between reboots ? How long between power off/on's ? I generally power off whenever I won't be using my desktop for more than 7-8 hours, since it has a big CPU, lots of RAM, decent GPU, etc. and hence draws a lot of idle power. So usually the most uptime I get on it is around 2 or 3 days. Alec
Re: [gentoo-user] system uptime
On 08/30/2015 06:24 AM, Michel Catudal wrote: As for shutdowns there are several arguments for and against. What often kills electronic is the shock between hot and cold so there is an argument about keeping the system on. Whether it is always safe to keep the computer on all the time remains to be proven. Recently I've had to help someone migrate off of a failed computer. This computer was old (I had to find an IDE adapter to recover some files) from late 90s/early 00s. Some time ago I told him to have it running all the time, mostly because of age. So he kept it running nonstop and literally a week or two ago shut it down as he was getting new flooring installed. He called me after hooking it back up again as it wouldn't start. I went over to check and the motherboard finally failed. He hadn't powered it off in 4-5 years. For myself I use a smart power bar and suspend my PC when not in use. This caused me all sorts of grief with systemd hanging on shutdown after a suspend, ultimately causing my RAID array to be rebuilt on every reboot/shutdown and so I've finally abandoned it and am running openrc again. The only thing about using suspend is that if the PC is in a sleep state it won't wake up and shut down when the power goes out. This just happened to me yesterday (big wind storm here.) Dan
Re: [gentoo-user] Problems booting vanilla kernel 4.1.x
On Sunday, August 30, 2015 6:11:00 PM Fernando Rodriguez wrote: On Sunday, August 30, 2015 10:51:57 PM Peter Weilbacher wrote: Hi Fernando, On Sun, 30 Aug 2015, Fernando Rodriguez wrote: 1. Add loglevel=7 to your kernel parameters and see what it prints before it hangs. That helped, it showed me something about drm, so... 3. From your kernel parameters I assume you're using the radeon free driver right? If that's the case disable it (don't compile it in or just delete the module) and try to boot wiith a framebuffer. ... this was a good suggestion. Switching off DRM/Radeon gets me a kernel that boots. However, with that config I cannot run X (which then complains about missing kernel mode switching). If I follow wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Xorg/Guide#Kernel_modesetting I again arrive at the kernel settings that I previously had and which didn't work with 4.1.x. Any more suggestions? Peter. At least you norrowed down, that was the idea. I would suspect a new bug, so post to the radeon mailing list. Doing the git bisect first will make it easier for them so they'll be more willing to help. I would try booting without those radeon paremeters first. You could try the proprietary driver but the one in the portage tree will not build with a kernel 3.18.19 but if you search b.g.o there are patches to make it build. Or you could try my ebuild but I'm not sure that it will build either since I'm using 3.18.20 now: https://github.com/fernando-rodriguez/portage-overlay/tree/master/x11-drivers/ati-drivers And you should still try suggestion #2 because it's very likely to only affect one specific configuration. -- Fernando Rodriguez
Re: [gentoo-user][SOLVED] emerge --oneshot portage - conflict
On Sunday, August 30, 2015 9:41:04 AM the...@sys-concept.com wrote: All it was needed was in portage.use # required by app-portage/gentoolkit-0.3.0.9-r2 # required by app-portage/gentoolkit (argument) =sys-apps/portage-2.2.20.1 python_targets_python3_3 Thelma Now you'll probably run into similar errors when you do run an update with the --newuse (ideally you should use it for every update -- it's the same as the N flag on my original reply) or when one of those packages is updated. On 08/30/2015 08:43 AM, Mick wrote: On Saturday 29 Aug 2015 20:36:04 neu pat wrote: I emerge python3.4 set as active: eselect python list Available Python interpreters: [1] python2.7 [2] python3.3 [3] python3.4 * but it still complain about Multiple package instances [ebuild U ] sys-apps/portage-2.2.20.1 [2.2.14] PYTHON_TARGETS=python3_4* -python3_3* !!! Multiple package instances within a single package slot have been pulled !!! into the dependency graph, resulting in a slot conflict: sys-apps/portage:0 (sys-apps/portage-2.2.20.1:0/0::gentoo, ebuild scheduled for merge) pulled in by sys-apps/portage (Argument) (sys-apps/portage-2.2.14:0/0::gentoo, installed) pulled in by sys- apps/portage[python_targets_python2_7(-)?,python_targets_python3_3(-)?, -python_single_target_python2_7(-),-python_single_target_python3_3(-)] required by (app-admin/webapp-config-1.52-r1:0/0::gentoo, installed) sys- apps/portage[python_targets_python2_7(-)?,python_targets_python3_3(-)?, python_targets_python3_4(-)?,python_targets_pypy(-)?,- python_single_target_ python2_7(-),-python_single_target_python3_3(-),- python_single_target_pytho n3_4(-),-python_single_target_pypy(-)] required by (app-portage/gentoolkit-0.3.0.9-r2:0/0::gentoo, installed) How to fix it? #joseph Try the --newuse flag, after you remove any 'python_targets_python3_3' entries you have inadvertently left in your /etc/portage/package.use -- Fernando Rodriguez
Re: [gentoo-user] Problems booting vanilla kernel 4.1.x
On Sunday, August 30, 2015 10:51:57 PM Peter Weilbacher wrote: Hi Fernando, On Sun, 30 Aug 2015, Fernando Rodriguez wrote: 1. Add loglevel=7 to your kernel parameters and see what it prints before it hangs. That helped, it showed me something about drm, so... 3. From your kernel parameters I assume you're using the radeon free driver right? If that's the case disable it (don't compile it in or just delete the module) and try to boot wiith a framebuffer. ... this was a good suggestion. Switching off DRM/Radeon gets me a kernel that boots. However, with that config I cannot run X (which then complains about missing kernel mode switching). If I follow wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Xorg/Guide#Kernel_modesetting I again arrive at the kernel settings that I previously had and which didn't work with 4.1.x. Any more suggestions? Peter. At least you norrowed down, that was the idea. I would suspect a new bug, so post to the radeon mailing list. Doing the git bisect first will make it easier for them so they'll be more willing to help. I would try booting without those radeon paremeters first. You could try the proprietary driver but the one in the portage tree will not build with a kernel 3.18.19 but if you search b.g.o there are patches to make it build. Or you could try my ebuild but I'm not sure that it will build either since I'm using 3.18.20 now: https://github.com/fernando-rodriguez/portage-overlay/tree/master/x11-drivers/ati-drivers -- Fernando Rodriguez
Re: [gentoo-user] ncurses: reductio ad absurdum
* Fernando Rodriguez frodriguez.develo...@outlook.com [150829 12:59]: On Friday, August 28, 2015 2:24:37 PM Rich Freeman wrote: Those who wish to use git can do so, and I'd encourage people to try. It really does have a lot of advantages. Oh, and it makes it really easy to contribute patches/etc (just edit whatever you want in /usr/portage and type git diff). I wouldn't advise that on the portage tree because if you edit any files under version control git will refuse to pull new changes until you either commit the changes or undo them by checking out the file. It will still pull but you'll potentially have conflicts to resolve. A bad idea in any case. Todd Now many repositories use git, and I need to know how to make changes to some files, hopefully a small number, but still be able to update with git. I keep the modifications somewhere for safekeeping, as well as the originals, but would want to see the updated files straight before remaking my modifications. I looked through man pages, git pull --rebase didn't work; I got error messages. Should I do git reset or should I git checkout each modified file one-by-one before git pull? There is a lot in git, learning git all the way through looks like a tall order. Tom
Re: [gentoo-user][SOLVED] emerge --oneshot portage - conflict
I always do emerge -uDNavq world I think it should be OK Thelma On 08/30/2015 05:58 PM, Fernando Rodriguez wrote: On Sunday, August 30, 2015 9:41:04 AM the...@sys-concept.com wrote: All it was needed was in portage.use # required by app-portage/gentoolkit-0.3.0.9-r2 # required by app-portage/gentoolkit (argument) =sys-apps/portage-2.2.20.1 python_targets_python3_3 Thelma Now you'll probably run into similar errors when you do run an update with the --newuse (ideally you should use it for every update -- it's the same as the N flag on my original reply) or when one of those packages is updated. On 08/30/2015 08:43 AM, Mick wrote: On Saturday 29 Aug 2015 20:36:04 neu pat wrote: I emerge python3.4 set as active: eselect python list Available Python interpreters: [1] python2.7 [2] python3.3 [3] python3.4 * but it still complain about Multiple package instances [ebuild U ] sys-apps/portage-2.2.20.1 [2.2.14] PYTHON_TARGETS=python3_4* -python3_3* !!! Multiple package instances within a single package slot have been pulled !!! into the dependency graph, resulting in a slot conflict: sys-apps/portage:0 (sys-apps/portage-2.2.20.1:0/0::gentoo, ebuild scheduled for merge) pulled in by sys-apps/portage (Argument) (sys-apps/portage-2.2.14:0/0::gentoo, installed) pulled in by sys- apps/portage[python_targets_python2_7(-)?,python_targets_python3_3(-)?, -python_single_target_python2_7(-),-python_single_target_python3_3(-)] required by (app-admin/webapp-config-1.52-r1:0/0::gentoo, installed) sys- apps/portage[python_targets_python2_7(-)?,python_targets_python3_3(-)?, python_targets_python3_4(-)?,python_targets_pypy(-)?,- python_single_target_ python2_7(-),-python_single_target_python3_3(-),- python_single_target_pytho n3_4(-),-python_single_target_pypy(-)] required by (app-portage/gentoolkit-0.3.0.9-r2:0/0::gentoo, installed) How to fix it? #joseph Try the --newuse flag, after you remove any 'python_targets_python3_3' entries you have inadvertently left in your /etc/portage/package.use
Re: [gentoo-user] LXQT (~0.9.0-r2)
On Thursday, August 27, 2015 3:28:28 PM James wrote: Hello, So on a recently upgraded system, I removed KDE and I'm attempting to install LX!T-meta-0.9.0-r2. Any advise on that is most welcome. The system had not been upgraded for several years (an old laptop) but all seems fine now with portage, compilers, @system and @world all current. Last sync :: Timestamp of repository gentoo: Wed, 26 Aug 2015 22:30:02 + I removed all of the kde*meta packages and have been slowly cleaning out the residual kde kruft via this resource's suggestions [1]. So far ncurses* and libcaca seem to be the only packages motivating extreme creativity on installation. Right now I have ncurses-6.0 installed and I'm working on finding a compatible version of libcaca. (I did not want to post to the current ncurses post but surely ncurses issues are part of this compatibility issue. Any tidbits, suggestions or package flag/tricks are most welcome on the latest version of LXQT-meta. Ok and libcaca just failed (again):: /usr/lib/gcc/x86_64-pc-linux-gnu/4.8.4/../../../../x86_64-pc-linux- gnu/bin/ld: cannot find -lGLU collect2: error: ld returned 1 exit status distcc[1382] ERROR: compile (null) on localhost failed Makefile:689: recipe for target 'libcaca.la' failed make[2]: *** [libcaca.la] Error 1 I'm using distcc. I have turned distcc off (/etc/init.d/distcc stop) on both the host and the other (8 core) system; and also used MAKEOPTS=-j1 USE=qt5 . Distcc has not had any other issues on this setup (same arch, compiler and key packages) for hundreds of other compiles. So I'm a bit stumped. What would be keen is the for somebody running the latest version of lxqt-meta to list the files and flags they use. Hunches also warmly received. Lafilefixer? (I thought all those tricks were integrated into portage PM now? [1] https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/KDE/Removal libGLU is provided by media-libs/glu. It should be pulled as a dependency with the opengl flag. -- Fernando Rodriguez
[gentoo-user] python tool:: turbogears-2.3.6 ?
Hello, Well is looks like Gentoo supported turbogears on the past, at least as an overlay (2.0.3). I'm posting to see if anybody knows of an overlay I'm just not finding on the the net. Any recent version would be keen. TIA, James http://www.turbogears.org/current-status.html
Re: [gentoo-user] ncurses: reductio ad absurdum
On Monday, August 31, 2015 12:50:04 AM Thomas Mueller wrote: * Fernando Rodriguez frodriguez.develo...@outlook.com [150829 12:59]: On Friday, August 28, 2015 2:24:37 PM Rich Freeman wrote: Those who wish to use git can do so, and I'd encourage people to try. It really does have a lot of advantages. Oh, and it makes it really easy to contribute patches/etc (just edit whatever you want in /usr/portage and type git diff). I wouldn't advise that on the portage tree because if you edit any files under version control git will refuse to pull new changes until you either commit the changes or undo them by checking out the file. It will still pull but you'll potentially have conflicts to resolve. A bad idea in any case. Todd Now many repositories use git, and I need to know how to make changes to some files, hopefully a small number, but still be able to update with git. The best way is to create a branch for your changes, just run: # git checkout -b new-feature And now you're on a branch named new-feature, do your changes, commit them, then checkout the master branch, do git pull and then merge your branch. I keep the modifications somewhere for safekeeping, as well as the originals, but would want to see the updated files straight before remaking my modifications. I looked through man pages, git pull --rebase didn't work; I got error messages. Should I do git reset or should I git checkout each modified file one-by-one before git pull? If you commit your changes before doing the pull it will work in most cases. Without commiting them it will never work (unless the files have not been updated on the remote repo). You can also stash them away with git stash, then pull, and then finally apply your changes with git stash apply. See git-stash(1). If you do git checkout you will loose your changes, that's why it requires to do it individually for each file. With a branch you can also use git checkout --patch branch file to apply the changes individually for each file so it comes in handy when there's merge conflicts. There is a lot in git, learning git all the way through looks like a tall order. That's an understatement I think. Tom -- Fernando Rodriguez
[gentoo-user] a few blockers I can't figure out
Hi. On my latest update of world, I have a few blockers which I am unable to figure out how to solve -- I will put the related output below with inserted comments. I am using unstable gentooand I have masked ncurses-6 for the time being. Portage also wants to downgrade my systemd from 221(0/2) to 219_p112(0/2). [blocks B ] sys-apps/systemd[gudev(-)] (sys-apps/systemd[gudev(-)] is blocking dev-libs/libgudev-230) [blocks B ] sys-apps/sysvinit (sys-apps/sysvinit is blocking sys-apps/systemd-219_p112) [blocks B ] dev-libs/libgudev (dev-libs/libgudev is blocking sys-apps/systemd-219_p112) Total: 75 packages (64 upgrades, 1 downgrade, 7 new, 2 in new slots, 1 reinstall), Size of downloads: 273,248 KiB Conflict: 3 blocks (3 unsatisfied) !!! Multiple package instances within a single package slot have been pulled !!! into the dependency graph, resulting in a slot conflict: media-libs/x264:0 (media-libs/x264-0.0.20150820:0/148::gentoo, ebuild scheduled for merge) pulled in by (no parents that aren't satisfied by other packages in this slot) If I mask this off, this one goes away, but why is it trying to pull it? (media-libs/x264-0.0.20140308:0/142::gentoo, installed) pulled in by =media-libs/x264-0.0.20090923:0/142= required by (media-video/vlc-2.2.1:0/5-8::gentoo, installed) ^^^ (and 3 more with the same problem) net-firewall/iptables:0 (net-firewall/iptables-1.4.21-r3:0/10::gentoo, ebuild scheduled for merge) pulled in by (no parents that aren't satisfied by other packages in this slot) And same for this one. (net-firewall/iptables-1.4.21-r1:0/0::gentoo, installed) pulled in by =net-firewall/iptables-1.4.20:0/0= required by (sys-apps/iproute2-4.1.1:0/0::gentoo, installed) ^ It may be possible to solve this problem by using package.mask to prevent one of those packages from being selected. However, it is also possible that conflicting dependencies exist such that they are impossible to satisfy simultaneously. If such a conflict exists in the dependencies of two different packages, then those packages can not be installed simultaneously. For more information, see MASKED PACKAGES section in the emerge man page or refer to the Gentoo Handbook. * Error: The above package list contains packages which cannot be * installed at the same time on the same system. (sys-apps/sysvinit-2.88-r7:0/0::gentoo, installed) pulled in by =sys-apps/sysvinit-2.86-r6 required by (sys-apps/openrc-0.17:0/0::gentoo, installed) =sys-apps/sysvinit-2.87-r3 required by (sys-kernel/dracut-043-r2:0/0::gentoo, installed) (sys-apps/systemd-219_p112:0/2::gentoo, ebuild scheduled for merge) pulled in by sys-apps/systemd required by (media-sound/mpd-0.19.9-r1:0/0::gentoo, installed) =sys-apps/systemd-204[pam] required by (sys-auth/pambase-20150213:0/0::gentoo, installed) sys-apps/systemd:0/2= required by (net-fs/samba-4.1.19:0/0::gentoo, installed) =sys-apps/systemd-44:0= required by (x11-misc/colord-1.2.11:0/2::gentoo, installed) sys-apps/systemd required by (sys-apps/util-linux-2.26.2:0/0::gentoo, installed) =sys-apps/systemd-209 required by (sys-process/procps-3.3.10-r1:0/0::gentoo, installed) sys-apps/systemd:0/2= required by (net-nds/rpcbind-0.2.3:0/0::gentoo, installed) sys-apps/systemd required by (app-admin/syslog-ng-3.7.1:0/0::gentoo, ebuild scheduled for merge) =sys-apps/systemd-44:0/2= required by (x11-misc/colord-1.2.11:0/2::gentoo, installed) sys-apps/systemd:= required by (net-nds/rpcbind-0.2.3:0/0::gentoo, installed) sys-apps/systemd required by (gnome-base/gnome-settings-daemon-3.16.3:0/0::gentoo, ebuild scheduled for merge) sys-apps/systemd required by (sys-fs/udisks-2.1.6:2/2::gentoo, installed) sys-apps/systemd required by (net-wireless/bluez-5.33:0/3::gentoo, installed) sys-apps/systemd:0= required by (gnome-base/gvfs-1.24.2:0/0::gentoo, ebuild scheduled for merge) sys-apps/systemd:0= required by (net-fs/samba-4.1.19:0/0::gentoo, installed) =sys-apps/systemd-212-r5:0/2[abi_x86_32(-)?,abi_x86_64(-)?,abi_x86_x32(-)?,abi_mips_n32(-)?,abi_mips_n64(-)?,abi_mips_o32(-)?,abi_ppc_32(-)?,abi_ppc_64(-)?,abi_s390_32(-)?,abi_s390_64(-)?] (=sys-apps/systemd-212-r5:0/2[abi_x86_32(-),abi_x86_64(-)]) required by (virtual/libudev-215-r1:0/1::gentoo, installed) sys-apps/systemd:0= required by (sys-auth/polkit-0.113:0/0::gentoo, installed) =sys-apps/systemd-197 required by (app-admin/openrc-settingsd-1.0.1:0/0::gentoo, installed) sys-apps/systemd required by @selected
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: make.conf bindist
Rich, This is an excellent explanation of the flag. Will you give me permission to use it or re-word it for a wiki page concerning bindist? I see lot blockers where either openssl or openssh need it, when the other does not... Matthew On 8/5/2015 5:29 PM, James wrote: Rich Freeman rich0 at gentoo.org writes: So, set it per your preference. Since the stage3 was built with USE=bindist it sets it by default, and that is the safer preference in any case. License-purists might prefer to leave it this way and that gives you an experience similar to debian main repository, etc. All good to know. thx, James
