Re: [gentoo-user] Question about gentoo-sources kernel release versions
That article you linked to is about a variant of linux, "rt". And as it looks they didn't update their branch since the release of 4.19.100-r41. https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/rt/linux-stable-rt.git/log/?h=v4.19-rt linux is at 4.19.102 now... AFAIR the Gentoo kernel team knows what's going on regarding upcoming linux patches. They know about the fixes in each minor release. And they kinda sort out what's important enough and what not. Because longterm gets releases every few DAYS (!) and forcing the user to update the kernel after every single sync is hardcore. IMO it's good the way it is. Am Do., 6. Feb. 2020 um 06:14 Uhr schrieb Matt Connell < matthewdconn...@gmail.com>: > I see posts on LWN (or other sources) for kernel minor version releases, > such as this one: https://lwn.net/Articles/811334/ The notes will > typically say that users should upgrade to that minor version due to bug > fixes or security patches. > > I know that gentoo-sources tracks on the most current LTS kernel > release, currently 4.19.97. However, these versions seem to usually be > slightly behind the 'recommended' minor version number. > > Why is this? Is it because the Gentoo patchset precludes the issues > that are being resolved by the LTS releases? Are the issues considered > significantly minor enough that they don't warrant a version bump for > gentoo-sources? > > No complaint or dissatisfaction being expressed here, just curious why > this seems to be, and if I should consider accepting ~amd64 for a newer > version. > > >
Re: [gentoo-user] OT: looking for email provider
On Thu, 06 Feb 2020 19:00:09 -0500, Grant Taylor wrote: > > On 2/6/20 3:36 PM, Laurence Perkins wrote: > > Sure you can set up just a simple email server > > Having run a personal email server for 20 years, including all > contemporary hygiene measures, I don't think "simple" and "email > server" go together any more. > > I can rattle off most of what I'm doing in short order. But when > doing so takes 5+ minutes, I think we're beyond the realm of > "simple". I do run my own mail server for years, but I would like to know how to run those "hygene features". I do have spf, but that is about it -- maybe this should be another thread, but I want to keep doing this and be sure of having my mail delivered to where its going which sometimes gmail gives me problems. -- Your life is like a penny. You're going to lose it. The question is: How do you spend it? John Covici wb2una cov...@ccs.covici.com
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Question about gentoo-sources kernel release versions
On 2020-02-06 11:40, Ian Zimmerman wrote: > 5.4 has just become the newest LTS. I see that now. But my original question still stands as to why the stable version of gentoo-sources is consistently a few versions behind the latest LTS release.
Re: [gentoo-user] OT: looking for email provider
On 2/6/20 3:36 PM, Laurence Perkins wrote: Sure you can set up just a simple email server Having run a personal email server for 20 years, including all contemporary hygiene measures, I don't think "simple" and "email server" go together any more. I can rattle off most of what I'm doing in short order. But when doing so takes 5+ minutes, I think we're beyond the realm of "simple". -- Grant . . . unix || die
Re: [gentoo-user] OT: looking for email provider
On 2020.02.06 17:36, Laurence Perkins wrote: On Sat, 2020-02-01 at 17:08 -0500, Jack wrote: CAUTION: This is an EXTERNAL email. Do not click links or open attachments unless you recognize the sender and know the content is safe. I didn't write that. :-) > > Relying on the collective experience and advice of the group here. > As may be obvious to many of you, the address this message is sent from "...@users.sourceforge.net" isn't really a fully functional address. Email sent to that address will be forwarded by the sourceforge system to a personal address I specify. When I send a message "From: " that address, however, I cannot send it through the sourceforge system, as I don't actually have an email account with them. Currently, I send it through my gmail account. That works because I added that address in my gmail Settings under "Accounts and Import" / "Send mail as:". To set it up, gmail sends a message to that address, and I click on a link in the message to prove it does come to me. That's been working find for a long time, but, ... > I'm trying to move away from gmail. Especially for mailing lists like this one, if I send a message to the list, I never see that I get the message from the list, because gmail refuses to show it in my inbox because it's a duplicate of a message already in my sentbox. > I do have an email account with privateemail.com (thorough namecheap.com) but they are unable or unwilling to have a similar setup. I'm not even sure they actually understand what I'm asking of them, but I've wasted more than enough time trying. > So - I'm asking if anyone can recommend an email service provider that understands this and will let me set it up. I have my own domain, but namecheap.com does seem willing to have the appropriate DNS record point to a different email provider. At this point, I'm not interested in running my own email server. I currently only need two mailboxes, maybe a small number more in the future, but this is personal, not commercial. I don't need to do bulk emails, maybe up to a dozen or so recipients. I do NOT expect it to be free, but cost is at least some consideration. I don't need huge storage limits, as although I use IMAP access when on the road, when I'm home, I use POP3 to download everything. I'd also like at least minimal control over spam filtering, mainly to let almost anything through for me to filter locally. If privateemail.com has false positives for everything from some sender (such as ups.com, for example) I need to open a ticket with them to add a whitelist. No such thing as clicking on "Not spam" and apparently no intent to ever do so. > > Thanks for any suggestions. > > Jack Laurence, Thanks for the feedback. You might talk to your ISP. A number of them offer custom email hosting to businesses and will maintain the server for you, but allow you a rather customized configuration. So kind of like having your own server along with someone to manage it for you. Well, I'm in Connecticut, and my current ISP is Comcast, previous ISP Frontier, and I wish to have as little as possible to do with either of them. A major part of the whole reason I'm doing this is to be able to switch ISPs without having to do anything at all and still have my email flow. If you do end up running your own system, look through your options thoroughly. Sure you can set up just a simple email server, but there are also projects like http://citadel.org/doku.php that offer more, integrated features for an experience similar to gmail, but without the spying. That certainly looks interesting, but claiming it's at all like gmail is not a selling point for me. Jack
Re: [gentoo-user] OT: looking for email provider
On Sat, 2020-02-01 at 17:08 -0500, Jack wrote: > CAUTION: This is an EXTERNAL email. Do not click links or open > attachments unless you recognize the sender and know the content is > safe. > > Relying on the collective experience and advice of the group here. > > As may be obvious to many of you, the address this message is sent > from > "...@users.sourceforge.net" isn't really a fully functional address. > Email sent to that address will be forwarded by the sourceforge > system > to a personal address I specify. When I send a message "From: " that > address, however, I cannot send it through the sourceforge system, as > I > don't actually have an email account with them. Currently, I send it > through my gmail account. That works because I added that address in > my gmail Settings under "Accounts and Import" / "Send mail as:". To > set it up, gmail sends a message to that address, and I click on a > link > in the message to prove it does come to me. That's been working find > for a long time, but, ... > > I'm trying to move away from gmail. Especially for mailing lists > like > this one, if I send a message to the list, I never see that I get the > message from the list, because gmail refuses to show it in my inbox > because it's a duplicate of a message already in my sentbox. > > I do have an email account with privateemail.com (thorough > namecheap.com) but they are unable or unwilling to have a similar > setup. I'm not even sure they actually understand what I'm asking of > them, but I've wasted more than enough time trying. > > So - I'm asking if anyone can recommend an email service provider > that > understands this and will let me set it up. I have my own domain, > but > namecheap.com does seem willing to have the appropriate DNS record > point to a different email provider. At this point, I'm not > interested > in running my own email server. I currently only need two mailboxes, > maybe a small number more in the future, but this is personal, not > commercial. I don't need to do bulk emails, maybe up to a dozen or > so > recipients. I do NOT expect it to be free, but cost is at least some > consideration. I don't need huge storage limits, as although I use > IMAP access when on the road, when I'm home, I use POP3 to download > everything. I'd also like at least minimal control over spam > filtering, mainly to let almost anything through for me to filter > locally. If privateemail.com has false positives for everything from > some sender (such as ups.com, for example) I need to open a ticket > with > them to add a whitelist. No such thing as clicking on "Not spam" and > apparently no intent to ever do so. > > Thanks for any suggestions. > > Jack You might talk to your ISP. A number of them offer custom email hosting to businesses and will maintain the server for you, but allow you a rather customized configuration. So kind of like having your own server along with someone to manage it for you. If you do end up running your own system, look through your options thoroughly. Sure you can set up just a simple email server, but there are also projects like http://citadel.org/doku.php that offer more, integrated features for an experience similar to gmail, but without the spying. LMP
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Perl 5.30.1 Locale::Language missing
> == Upstream has unbundled this and migrated it to be a "CPAN only" dep. > > Op needs to request an addition of dev-perl/Locale-Codes , which > provides both Locale::Codes and Locale::Language commit 5e9859f72c23a21b16dc72053cc6077b33fc77ce Author: Andreas K. Hüttel AuthorDate: Wed Jan 8 12:29:55 2020 +0100 Commit: Andreas K. Hüttel CommitDate: Wed Jan 8 12:30:43 2020 +0100 dev-perl/Locale-Codes: New package (split out of core with Perl 5.30) Taking ~arch keywords of dev-lang/perl thus... Package-Manager: Portage-2.3.84, Repoman-2.3.20 Signed-off-by: Andreas K. Hüttel -- Andreas K. Hüttel dilfri...@gentoo.org Gentoo Linux developer (council, toolchain, base-system, perl, libreoffice) signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: octave won't run
Ian: > On 2020-02-06 09:56, Mick wrote: > > > Otherwise the latest sci-libs/lapack is 3.8.0, so your links above look > > correct as far as I can tell. > > Note that sci-libs/lapack and sci-libs/lapack-reference are 2 distinct > packages. The OP presumably has the latter. > > Both of them existing may be the real bug here. The refrence one isn't installed: # emerge --search sci-libs/lapack-reference [ Results for search key : sci-libs/lapack-reference ] Searching... * sci-libs/blas-reference Latest version available: 20070226-r4 Latest version installed: [ Not Installed ] Size of files: 5208 KiB Homepage: http://www.netlib.org/blas/ Description: Basic Linear Algebra Subprograms F77 reference implementations License: BSD * sci-libs/lapack-reference Latest version available: 3.2.1-r4 Latest version installed: [ Not Installed ] Size of files: 4694 KiB Homepage: http://www.netlib.org/lapack/index.html Description: FORTRAN reference implementation of LAPACK Linear Algebra PACKage License: BSD Regards, /Karl Hammar
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: octave won't run
200206 Ian Zimmerman wrote: > On 2020-02-06 09:56, Mick wrote: >> Otherwise the latest sci-libs/lapack is 3.8.0, > so your links above look correct as far as I can tell. > Note that sci-libs/lapack and sci-libs/lapack-reference > are 2 distinct packages. The OP presumably has the latter. > Both of them existing may be the real bug here. FWIW my own set-up seems to support that. 872: ~> ls -l /usr/lib64/liblapack.* lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 14 Nov 16 17:11 /usr/lib64/liblapack.so -> liblapack.so.3 lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 18 Nov 16 17:11 /usr/lib64/liblapack.so.3 -> liblapack.so.3.8.0 -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 6637008 Nov 16 17:11 /usr/lib64/liblapack.so.3.8.0 873: ~> When I checked earlier today, there were broken symlinks to lapack-reference , but deleting them made no difference : the pkg isn't installed. Octave opens & calculates '1+1' without any problems. So the solution to the OP's problem mb simply to unmerge lapack-reference . -- ,, SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: octave won't run
Am Donnerstag, 6. Februar 2020, 18:45:12 CET schrieb Ian Zimmerman:
> On 2020-02-06 09:56, Mick wrote:
> > Otherwise the latest sci-libs/lapack is 3.8.0, so your links above look
> > correct as far as I can tell.
>
> Note that sci-libs/lapack and sci-libs/lapack-reference are 2 distinct
> packages. The OP presumably has the latter.
>
> Both of them existing may be the real bug here.
You motivated me to look this up on my system, and I don't think that's right:
- octave depends on virtual/lapack, and
- virtual/lapack does *not* depend on lapack-reference:
RDEPEND="
>=sci-libs/lapack-3.8.0[eselect-ldso?]
eselect-ldso? ( || (
>=sci-libs/lapack-3.8.0[eselect-ldso]
sci-libs/openblas[eselect-ldso] ) )
"
DEPEND="${RDEPEND}"
Note also that lapack-reference has no eselect-ldso USE flag, which Karl
changed as per one of his other emails.
Karl, what exactly is the error message you get? Can you find anything
related on bugs.gentoo.org? FWIW, my octave installation starts just fine,
but I use openblas:
% eselect lapack list
Available LAPACK (lib) candidates:
(none found)
Available LAPACK (lib64) candidates:
[1] openblas *
[2] reference
% eselect blas list
Available BLAS/CBLAS (lib) candidates:
(none found)
Available BLAS/CBLAS (lib64) candidates:
[1] openblas *
[2] reference
HTH
--
Marc Joliet
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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Perl 5.30.1 Locale::Language missing
On Sun, 5 Jan 2020 07:48:04 - (UTC) Martin Vaeth wrote: > This looks like a bug in the perl distribution to me: > > man perl5300delta > > claims "Locale::Codes has been upgraded from version 3.56 to 3.57." and > > man perl5301delta > > neither mentions "Locale" nor "Codes", yet the whole > cpan/Locale-Codes subdirectory is missing from 5.30.1. > Although it should not be hard to write an ebuild as a > temporary workaround, I suggest to file a bug at perl itself. Nope. /usr/bin/corelist -a Locale::Codes Data for 2019-11-10 Locale::Codes was first released with perl v5.13.1 and removed from v5.29.3 == Upstream has unbundled this and migrated it to be a "CPAN only" dep. Op needs to request an addition of dev-perl/Locale-Codes , which provides both Locale::Codes and Locale::Language This is one of the sorts of things we *usually* have virtuals to handle, however, nothing in tree uses this, so the virtual never came to be. This is not a bug in packaging, more a side effect of your "web application" not being available in portage. pgpMno3MllqF7.pgp Description: OpenPGP digital signature
[gentoo-user] Re: octave won't run
On 2020-02-06 09:56, Mick wrote: > Otherwise the latest sci-libs/lapack is 3.8.0, so your links above look > correct as far as I can tell. Note that sci-libs/lapack and sci-libs/lapack-reference are 2 distinct packages. The OP presumably has the latter. Both of them existing may be the real bug here. -- Ian
[gentoo-user] Re: Question about gentoo-sources kernel release versions
On 2020-02-05 22:14, Matt Connell wrote: > I know that gentoo-sources tracks on the most current LTS kernel > release, currently 4.19.97. 5.4 has just become the newest LTS. -- Ian
Re: [gentoo-user] octave won't run
On Thu, 6 Feb 2020 17:33:25 +0100 (CET), k...@aspodata.se wrote: > > Unless someone shows up with more knowledge on the specifics it would > > be worth posting a bug, or contacting the maintainer for suggestions. > > > ... > > Since octave compiles/emerges successfully, there are no log files left. > Can I tell emerge to not remove the build directory ? FEATURES=keepwork will do that, but don't leave it enabled. However, it shouldn't be necessary since logs are saved in /var/log/portage unless configured otherwise in make.conf. -- Neil Bothwick "I need your clothes, your boots, and your tagline!" pgppDUl29fLJp.pgp Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [gentoo-user] octave won't run
Mark: > Sounds like a ebuild dependency bug, or possibly a bad mix of stable and > non-stable packages that haven't been sussed out fully. > > Not a good long-term solution, especially if you're forgetful like me, but > as a test you might try creating a symlink for libapack.so.0 pointing to > libapack.so.3 and see if octave runs. > > Best to remove that more or less right away but it might get you through a > test period waiting for the ebuild to get fixed. Yes, that short term solution works. Regards, /Karl Hammar
Re: [gentoo-user] octave won't run
Mick: ... > Unless someone shows up with more knowledge on the specifics it would be > worth > posting a bug, or contacting the maintainer for suggestions. ... Since octave compiles/emerges successfully, there are no log files left. Can I tell emerge to not remove the build directory ? Regards, /Karl Hammar
Re: [gentoo-user] octave won't run
Sounds like a ebuild dependency bug, or possibly a bad mix of stable and non-stable packages that haven't been sussed out fully. Not a good long-term solution, especially if you're forgetful like me, but as a test you might try creating a symlink for libapack.so.0 pointing to libapack.so.3 and see if octave runs. Best to remove that more or less right away but it might get you through a test period waiting for the ebuild to get fixed. - Mark On Thu, Feb 6, 2020 at 6:59 AM Mick wrote: > On Thursday, 6 February 2020 13:44:22 GMT k...@aspodata.se wrote: > > Mick: > > ... > > > > > I don't have these packages on my systems to check, but does 'eselect > > > lapack list' reveal anything amiss? > > > > ... > > > > $ eselect lapack list > > Available LAPACK (lib) candidates: > > (none found) > > Available LAPACK (lib64) candidates: > > (none found) > > $ eselect blas list > > Available BLAS/CBLAS (lib) candidates: > > (none found) > > Available BLAS/CBLAS (lib64) candidates: > > (none found) > > > > and after rebuilding lapack with eselect-ldso > > > > $ eselect lapack list > > Available LAPACK (lib) candidates: > > (none found) > > Available LAPACK (lib64) candidates: > > [1] reference * > > $ eselect blas list > > Available BLAS/CBLAS (lib) candidates: > > (none found) > > Available BLAS/CBLAS (lib64) candidates: > > [1] reference * > > > > still same problem. > > > > recompiling octave, same problem. > > recompiling octave with static-libs, same problem. > > > > Regards, > > /Karl Hammar > > Unless someone shows up with more knowledge on the specifics it would be > worth > posting a bug, or contacting the maintainer for suggestions. > -- > Regards, > > Mick
Re: [gentoo-user] octave won't run
On Thursday, 6 February 2020 13:44:22 GMT k...@aspodata.se wrote: > Mick: > ... > > > I don't have these packages on my systems to check, but does 'eselect > > lapack list' reveal anything amiss? > > ... > > $ eselect lapack list > Available LAPACK (lib) candidates: > (none found) > Available LAPACK (lib64) candidates: > (none found) > $ eselect blas list > Available BLAS/CBLAS (lib) candidates: > (none found) > Available BLAS/CBLAS (lib64) candidates: > (none found) > > and after rebuilding lapack with eselect-ldso > > $ eselect lapack list > Available LAPACK (lib) candidates: > (none found) > Available LAPACK (lib64) candidates: > [1] reference * > $ eselect blas list > Available BLAS/CBLAS (lib) candidates: > (none found) > Available BLAS/CBLAS (lib64) candidates: > [1] reference * > > still same problem. > > recompiling octave, same problem. > recompiling octave with static-libs, same problem. > > Regards, > /Karl Hammar Unless someone shows up with more knowledge on the specifics it would be worth posting a bug, or contacting the maintainer for suggestions. -- Regards, Mick signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] octave won't run
Mick: ... > I don't have these packages on my systems to check, but does 'eselect lapack > list' reveal anything amiss? ... $ eselect lapack list Available LAPACK (lib) candidates: (none found) Available LAPACK (lib64) candidates: (none found) $ eselect blas list Available BLAS/CBLAS (lib) candidates: (none found) Available BLAS/CBLAS (lib64) candidates: (none found) and after rebuilding lapack with eselect-ldso $ eselect lapack list Available LAPACK (lib) candidates: (none found) Available LAPACK (lib64) candidates: [1] reference * $ eselect blas list Available BLAS/CBLAS (lib) candidates: (none found) Available BLAS/CBLAS (lib64) candidates: [1] reference * still same problem. recompiling octave, same problem. recompiling octave with static-libs, same problem. Regards, /Karl Hammar
Re: [gentoo-user] octave won't run
On Thursday, 6 February 2020 08:28:05 GMT k...@aspodata.se wrote: > Octave won't run since a lib is missing. > I can re-emerge it without problems, but the problem still > persist. The lib is there but it has a different version. > > Anyone know what this is about ? > > $ ldd /usr/bin/octave-cli-4.2.2 | grep not > liblapack.so.0 => not found > $ ls -l /usr/lib64/liblapack.* > lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 28 May 9 2019 /usr/lib64/liblapack.a -> > lapack/reference/liblapack.a lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 14 Nov 29 00:30 > /usr/lib64/liblapack.so -> liblapack.so.3 lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 18 > Nov 29 00:30 /usr/lib64/liblapack.so.3 -> liblapack.so.3.8.0 -rwxr-xr-x 1 > root root 6886896 Nov 29 00:29 /usr/lib64/liblapack.so.3.8.0 > > Regards, > /Karl Hammar I don't have these packages on my systems to check, but does 'eselect lapack list' reveal anything amiss? Otherwise the latest sci-libs/lapack is 3.8.0, so your links above look correct as far as I can tell. -- Regards, Mick signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
[gentoo-user] octave won't run
Octave won't run since a lib is missing. I can re-emerge it without problems, but the problem still persist. The lib is there but it has a different version. Anyone know what this is about ? $ ldd /usr/bin/octave-cli-4.2.2 | grep not liblapack.so.0 => not found $ ls -l /usr/lib64/liblapack.* lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 28 May 9 2019 /usr/lib64/liblapack.a -> lapack/reference/liblapack.a lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 14 Nov 29 00:30 /usr/lib64/liblapack.so -> liblapack.so.3 lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 18 Nov 29 00:30 /usr/lib64/liblapack.so.3 -> liblapack.so.3.8.0 -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 6886896 Nov 29 00:29 /usr/lib64/liblapack.so.3.8.0 Regards, /Karl Hammar
