Re: [gentoo-user] mtp cannot create directories on SD card on cellphone
On Wed, May 15, 2024 at 03:06:50PM -0700, Mark Knecht wrote > > Have you checked that the directory where you are attempting to > do this is one that your account owns? I generally have to su - to > root, create a directory at the top level, change it so that I own it and > have rwx permissions, and then exit root. After that I can do what I want. I have a short script ~/bin/tabon [x8940][waltdnes][~] cat bin/tabon #!/bin/bash sudo /usr/bin/jmtpfs /home/waltdnes/tablet -o allow_other,auto_unmount,rw # # Only needed once #sudo /bin/chown -R waltdnes:users /home/waltdnes/tablet The last (commented out) line *USED TO WORK*. Now it spits out a whole slew of... /bin/chown: changing ownership of '/home/waltdnes/tablet/sdcard1/blah_blah_blah': Function not implemented ...one for each direcory and file. I believe the phone formats the card as either FAT32 or XFAT. -- Roses are red Roses are blue Depending on their velocity Relative to you
Re: [gentoo-user] mtp cannot create directories on SD card on cellphone
On Wed, May 15, 2024 at 4:38 PM Walter Dnes wrote: > > > Have you checked that the directory where you are attempting to do > > this is one that your account owns? I generally have to su - to root, > > create a directory at the top level, change it so that I own it and > > have rwx permissions, and then exit root. After that I can do what > > I want. > > So I did "su" and tried changing ownership... failed > > x8940 /home/waltdnes/tablet # chown waltdnes:users sdcard1 > chown: changing ownership of 'sdcard1': Function not implemented > > Let's try "chmod"... failed silently > > [x8940][root][/home/waltdnes/tablet] chmod 777 sdcard1 > [x8940][root][/home/waltdnes/tablet] ll > total 24 > drwxr-xr-x 4 root root 0 Dec 31 1969 . > drwxr-xr-x 144 waltdnes users 24576 May 15 18:17 .. > drwxr-xr-x 5 root root 0 Nov 16 4456932 sdcard > drwxr-xr-x 6 root root 0 Apr 22 4456932 sdcard1 > > root can't chmod sdcard1. > > [x8940][root][/home/waltdnes/tablet] mkdir sdcard1/data > mkdir: cannot create directory ‘sdcard1/data’: Input/output error > > and root can't create a directory!!! Let's try top level... > > [x8940][root][~] cd /home/waltdnes/tablet > [x8940][root][/home/waltdnes/tablet] mkdir data > mkdir: cannot create directory ‘data’: Read-only file system > So it seems very strange to me that, per the initial message, you can create and delete files, which implies the file system is not read only, but the mkdir command thinks it is read only. And from what I've read there is no read-only switch on this SD card, correct? It's just something like a chip that plugs into a Raspberry Pi or a camera, correct? I am not exactly clear from rereading what the actual SD card is or how it's attached, and you are using file system types I know nothing about. However, if only for clarity, what I've had to do even with ext3/4 is essentially the following: 1) su - and enter root password. 2) As root navigate to /home/walter/tablet or whatever the location is where you believe you are really ON the SD card 3) Create a file using vi, save the file, make sure it's there and make sure it's owned root:root. 4) Exit the su and make sure the file is there. Unmount the SD card, remount the SD card and check that it's really there. Put the SD card in some other system where you can see the file, if possible. 5) Assuming all of that makes sense, remount the CD card, su there again, and chown the file to walter:walter or walter:user or whatever is appropriate. Make sure you can edit the file from some other terminal process. 6) As root in the su, then try to create a directory. If it's still read only then this is way above my pay grade. However if you can create the directory, which I've always been able to do as root, then chown -R the directory to your user ID. It is important to ensure that OS believes you have read/write access all the way up and down the chain so you might need to chown -R walter:walter AS ROOT from your home directory into the mount point, which if I understand, is /home/walter/tablet, so I'd be root and doing the command sitting in /home/walter. Sorry. Wish I could be more helpful but this has been a problem on my systems ever since I started using Linux 25-30 years ago and I struggle with it maybe once a year. Good luck, Mark
Re: [gentoo-user] Encrypted drives, password generation and management howto, guide.
Neil Bothwick wrote: > On Wed, 15 May 2024 08:09:01 -0500, Dale wrote: > >>> x11-misc/xclip >>> >>> Or just select some empty space in an application, to overwrite your >>> previous selection. >> Well, since it works, something is acting as a clipboard. It doesn't >> seem to be xclip in my case. > xclip is not a clipboard, it is a tool to manage the contents of the > existing clipboards and selection buffers. > > Well, just for giggles. root@fireball / # echo "" | xclip -bash: xclip: command not found root@fireball / # It didn't like it. :/ It seems that it only remembers one in memory anyway. Once I highlight something else, it kinda clears itself. That works. Heck, I have to clear the Konsole when I exit kpcli anyway. Dale :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Grub, gpt partitions and BIOS, not uefi thing.
Wol: > On 15/05/2024 11:40, Peter Humphrey wrote: > > I think whoever named grub had delusions of grandeur. ð Anyway, I > > never let > > it near my systems. > > I liked lilo. And then it disappeared :-( ... Still available and still working on non-uefi setups: https://packages.gentoo.org/packages/sys-boot/lilo Regards, /Karl Hammar
Re: [gentoo-user] mtp cannot create directories on SD card on cellphone
> Have you checked that the directory where you are attempting to do > this is one that your account owns? I generally have to su - to root, > create a directory at the top level, change it so that I own it and > have rwx permissions, and then exit root. After that I can do what > I want. So I did "su" and tried changing ownership... failed x8940 /home/waltdnes/tablet # chown waltdnes:users sdcard1 chown: changing ownership of 'sdcard1': Function not implemented Let's try "chmod"... failed silently [x8940][root][/home/waltdnes/tablet] chmod 777 sdcard1 [x8940][root][/home/waltdnes/tablet] ll total 24 drwxr-xr-x 4 root root 0 Dec 31 1969 . drwxr-xr-x 144 waltdnes users 24576 May 15 18:17 .. drwxr-xr-x 5 root root 0 Nov 16 4456932 sdcard drwxr-xr-x 6 root root 0 Apr 22 4456932 sdcard1 root can't chmod sdcard1. [x8940][root][/home/waltdnes/tablet] mkdir sdcard1/data mkdir: cannot create directory ‘sdcard1/data’: Input/output error and root can't create a directory!!! Let's try top level... [x8940][root][~] cd /home/waltdnes/tablet [x8940][root][/home/waltdnes/tablet] mkdir data mkdir: cannot create directory ‘data’: Read-only file system A suggestion at https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=7317638 > The permissions for non-linux filesystems are defined for the whole > partition at the time it's mounted, and you can change them by > configuring the drive in /etc/fstab. So I added a line to /etc/fstab, but no luck... /sys/fs/fuse/connections /home/waltdnes/tablet auto noauto,users,noatime,nodiratime,async,rw 0 0 No luck. -- Roses are red Roses are blue Depending on their velocity Relative to you
[gentoo-user] Re: Encrypted drives, password generation and management howto, guide.
On 2024-05-15, Michael wrote: > > There are 3 'cliboards', known as selections, I know of: > > 1. Primary - you select some text by holding down your left mouse button (or > Shift+arrow) and you paste it with your middle button (or Shift+Insert - > depending on application). > > 2. Secondary - some applications will autoselect text, e.g. when you click in > the non-empty address bar of a browser. This can replace any selection you > had in the Primary selection. It depends on the particular application. > > 3. Clipboard - this is the Ctrl+x/c/v MSWindows style of cut/copy/paste menu > items. > > More details can be found in the spec here: > > https://specifications.freedesktop.org/clipboards-spec/clipboards-latest.txt There's also this one: https://www.jwz.org/doc/x-cut-and-paste.html Which mentions the support for different targets, also mentioned in: https://lars.ingebrigtsen.no/2018/10/07/further-fun-with-the-clipboard/ (xclip can be used for targets too, "xclip -o -target TARGETS" for a list of the currently available targets) > As far as I know the Primary selection is not stored anywhere - other than > within the application's memory space where the range of characters have been > selected. The xserver will call for this when you middle click to paste it > on > another application's window. > > The Clipboard may be stored in RAM or cache of any applications which use > this > method. -- Nuno Silva
Re: [gentoo-user] mtp cannot create directories on SD card on cellphone
On Wed, May 15, 2024 at 2:29 PM Walter Dnes wrote: > > What I *CAN* do... upload/download/create/delete *FILES* on SD card > > What I *CANNOT* do... create new *DIRECTORIES* on SD card > > [x8940][waltdnes][~/tablet/sdcard1] mkdir data > mkdir: cannot create directory ‘data’: Input/output error > > This happens with both "jmtps" and "simple-mtpfs", so I think it's > probably a systemic issue that affects all implementions. For now I'm > using the "screenshots" directory for transferring miscellaneous files, > but I'd really like to solve the core problem. Any ideas? Have you checked that the directory where you are attempting to do this is one that your account owns? I generally have to su - to root, create a directory at the top level, change it so that I own it and have rwx permissions, and then exit root. After that I can do what I want. HTH, Mark
[gentoo-user] mtp cannot create directories on SD card on cellphone
What I *CAN* do... upload/download/create/delete *FILES* on SD card What I *CANNOT* do... create new *DIRECTORIES* on SD card [x8940][waltdnes][~/tablet/sdcard1] mkdir data mkdir: cannot create directory ‘data’: Input/output error This happens with both "jmtps" and "simple-mtpfs", so I think it's probably a systemic issue that affects all implementions. For now I'm using the "screenshots" directory for transferring miscellaneous files, but I'd really like to solve the core problem. Any ideas? -- Roses are red Roses are blue Depending on their velocity Relative to you
Re: [gentoo-user] Encrypted drives, password generation and management howto, guide.
On Wed, 15 May 2024 08:09:01 -0500, Dale wrote: > > x11-misc/xclip > > > > Or just select some empty space in an application, to overwrite your > > previous selection. > > Well, since it works, something is acting as a clipboard. It doesn't > seem to be xclip in my case. xclip is not a clipboard, it is a tool to manage the contents of the existing clipboards and selection buffers. -- Neil Bothwick Loose bits sink chips. pgp8VMd5CFgb7.pgp Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Graphics configuration for a Ryzen 7 7700X chip and water cooling.
Hi Alan, On Wednesday, 15 May 2024 15:23:47 BST Alan Mackenzie wrote: > Hello, Gentoo. > > My current rig is working well (hence the lack of posts to the list from > me), but > > The time is coming up for me to buy a new PC, the current one being > around 7 years old. It's served me well for that time, but nothing > lasts forever. Also, it would be nice to be able to build clang and > rust and friends somewhat faster. > > So I'm looking at getting an AMD Ryzen 7 7700X processor, and using its > inbuilt graphics rather than buying a distinct graphics card. > > But in the doc on wiki.gentoo.org, I can't find any mention of inbuilt > graphics; all references are to graphics _cards_. Does Gentoo support > my intended processor's graphics, and if so, how do I go about > identifying the needed microcode (if any) and so on? Am I missing > something obvious in the wiki? I don't have anything as exotic running here, but you will need amdgpu, plus (potentially) amdgpu-pro for your graphics: https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/AMDGPU https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/AMDGPU-PRO You will be able to confirm what is required in respect to firmware and kernel graphics driver components once you boot up with a liveUSB. It will complain of any missing firmware. For microcode, flash the BIOS with the latest OEM firmware and add the corresponding AMD family firmware file in your kernel: https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/AMD_microcode If you boot with the latest Ubuntu it will probably load everything required; then fish around dmesg and hwinfo, lspci, lscpu, etc. for relevant drivers and firmware files. > As a somewhat tangential question, would it be worthwhile getting water > cooling in my new machine? In particular, to reduce the noise it gives > off while building large packages such as clang and rust? Or is water > cooling only sensible for really heavy users such as gamers? > > Thanks for the upcoming answers! WC will be quieter and more expensive than an after market air cooler. You could invest the money toward more RAM, (more/bigger) case fans, a better PSU, monitor, speakers, a new car, etc. :-) https://www.techreviewer.com/tech-specs/amd-7700x-tdp/ Cranking up 16 threads to 5.4 GHz will produce some heat, but compiles will complete sooner too. I think an air cooler will be equally as effective thermally, with fewer components to go wrong. Either way, consider the space envelop in the case because some dual fan air-coolers can be rather large. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
[gentoo-user] Re: Grub, gpt partitions and BIOS, not uefi thing.
On 2024-05-15, Wols Lists wrote: > On 15/05/2024 11:40, Peter Humphrey wrote: >> I think whoever named grub had delusions of grandeur. Anyway, I never let >> it near my systems. > > I liked lilo. And then it disappeared :-( > > Grub isn't that bad - it's just that insists on trying to do everything > itself - and if you've got at all a strange setup it makes a complete > hash of it. Grub2 is a bit overblown, but it's quite usable as long as you stick to a manually generated grub.cfg file and stay away from the auto-magical disk-probing configuration script world-domination scheme. -- Grant
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Grub, gpt partitions and BIOS, not uefi thing.
On 15/05/2024 11:40, Peter Humphrey wrote: I think whoever named grub had delusions of grandeur. Anyway, I never let it near my systems. I liked lilo. And then it disappeared :-( Grub isn't that bad - it's just that insists on trying to do everything itself - and if you've got at all a strange setup it makes a complete hash of it. LIKE GENTOO! I've moaned about this before, but last time SUSE updated itself, it trashed grub.conf and left me with an unbootable system. And then gentoo sees that I've got an unmounted /boot and throws a complete and utter hissy fit because I told it not to touch it ... Cheers, Wol
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Graphics configuration for a Ryzen 7 7700X chip and water cooling.
On Wed, 2024-05-15 at 16:25 +, Grant Edwards wrote: > You'll need kernel 5.18 and Mesa 22 plus recent firmware. > > That article was almost 2 years old, so I'd be surprised if all those > are not stable in Gentoo by now. Mesa 22 is not. Only version 24 is stable :)
[gentoo-user] Re: Encrypted drives, password generation and management howto, guide.
On 2024-05-15, Michael wrote: > On Wednesday, 15 May 2024 15:37:22 BST Grant Edwards wrote: >> On 2024-05-15, Michael wrote: > >> > The Clipboard may be stored in RAM or cache of any applications >> > which use this method. >> >> AFAICT, the clipboard contents is stored in the X server. When you >> cut/copy something, the application sends that something to the X >> server where it's stored. When that application exits, the clipboard >> contents are still there in the X server, and can still be requested >> by other applications who want to do a "paste". > > What you write makes sense. I got curious, and did some more Googling. It looks like the clipboard contents only survive application exit if the application explicitly tells the server it wants the clipboard contents to persist. But, AFIACT, that's what all apps do. > I am not sure what happens in Wayland, where application windows are > supposed to be isolated. I try not to think about Wayland and dread the day when I'm forced to switch. :) It's taken me 40 years to figure out X (most-sort-of)... > I recall in earlier days the Primary selection would not work > between windows, which was rather frustrating. I think at present > the Plasma desktop clipboard application acts as a mediator, > probably engaging Xwayland - but I am not sure. > > There are quite a few settings in Plasma's clipboard application to > configure interoperability between Primary & Clipboard selection and > can be set to save the Primary selection in the Clipboard section > and its history if so desired. > > With my current settings I can middle click to paste a Primary > selection into Konsole, but Shift+Insert which works with Xterm & > friends does not work with Konsole. There probably should have been a section on cutbuffers, selections, and clipboards in the X11 section of the Unix Hater's Handbook. which I highly recommend, BTW: https://web.mit.edu/~simsong/www/ugh.pdf https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_UNIX-HATERS_Handbook
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Encrypted drives, password generation and management howto, guide.
On Wednesday, 15 May 2024 15:37:22 BST Grant Edwards wrote: > On 2024-05-15, Michael wrote: > > The Clipboard may be stored in RAM or cache of any applications > > which use this method. > > AFAICT, the clipboard contents is stored in the X server. When you > cut/copy something, the application sends that something to the X > server where it's stored. When that application exits, the clipboard > contents are still there in the X server, and can still be requested > by other applications who want to do a "paste". What you write makes sense. I am not sure what happens in Wayland, where application windows are supposed to be isolated. I recall in earlier days the Primary selection would not work between windows, which was rather frustrating. I think at present the Plasma desktop clipboard application acts as a mediator, probably engaging Xwayland - but I am not sure. There are quite a few settings in Plasma's clipboard application to configure interoperability between Primary & Clipboard selection and can be set to save the Primary selection in the Clipboard section and its history if so desired. With my current settings I can middle click to paste a Primary selection into Konsole, but Shift+Insert which works with Xterm & friends does not work with Konsole. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
[gentoo-user] Re: Graphics configuration for a Ryzen 7 7700X chip and water cooling.
On 2024-05-15, Alan Mackenzie wrote: > But in the doc on wiki.gentoo.org, I can't find any mention of inbuilt > graphics; all references are to graphics _cards_. Does Gentoo support > my intended processor's graphics, Technically, no. Gentoo doesn't. However, the Linux kernel, Xorg, and Mesa do. You'll need "recent" versions of those. According to this article: https://www.phoronix.com/review/amd-ryzen7-7700x You'll need kernel 5.18 and Mesa 22 plus recent firmware. That article was almost 2 years old, so I'd be surprised if all those are not stable in Gentoo by now. -- Grant
Re: [gentoo-user] Graphics configuration for a Ryzen 7 7700X chip and water cooling.
On Wednesday, 15 May 2024 15:23:47 BST Alan Mackenzie wrote: > So I'm looking at getting an AMD Ryzen 7 7700X processor, and using its > inbuilt graphics rather than buying a distinct graphics card. > > But in the doc on wiki.gentoo.org, I can't find any mention of inbuilt > graphics; all references are to graphics _cards_. Does Gentoo support > my intended processor's graphics, and if so, how do I go about > identifying the needed microcode (if any) and so on? Am I missing > something obvious in the wiki? The AMD website says it uses Radeon graphics, so it seems to be covered, as long as you have a USB-C connector. > As a somewhat tangential question, would it be worthwhile getting water > cooling in my new machine? In particular, to reduce the noise it gives > off while building large packages such as clang and rust? Or is water > cooling only sensible for really heavy users such as gamers? > > Thanks for the upcoming answers! -- Regards, Peter. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] Graphics configuration for a Ryzen 7 7700X chip and water cooling.
Alan Mackenzie wrote: > Hello, Gentoo. > > My current rig is working well (hence the lack of posts to the list from > me), but > > The time is coming up for me to buy a new PC, the current one being > around 7 years old. It's served me well for that time, but nothing > lasts forever. Also, it would be nice to be able to build clang and > rust and friends somewhat faster. > > So I'm looking at getting an AMD Ryzen 7 7700X processor, and using its > inbuilt graphics rather than buying a distinct graphics card. > > But in the doc on wiki.gentoo.org, I can't find any mention of inbuilt > graphics; all references are to graphics _cards_. Does Gentoo support > my intended processor's graphics, and if so, how do I go about > identifying the needed microcode (if any) and so on? Am I missing > something obvious in the wiki? > > As a somewhat tangential question, would it be worthwhile getting water > cooling in my new machine? In particular, to reduce the noise it gives > off while building large packages such as clang and rust? Or is water > cooling only sensible for really heavy users such as gamers? > > Thanks for the upcoming answers! > On the cooling point, I notice that newer CPUs actually consume less power therefore produce less heat. I've never used water. I don't have anything to drink close to my puter either. I suspect that if you got a pretty good size air CPU cooler, with a large quiet fan, you will find it pretty quiet. I have a FX-8350 right now. I can't recall the power it pulls right now but it is more than the newer CPUs. I have a CPU cooler with a 120mm fan and even at full load, I don't hear anything and I'm right next to it. I don't even hear the large case fans. Keep in mind, those case fans are 200mm fans. Some prefer water and for those who do, use water. I just don't see why newer CPUs that produce less heat would need water when air cooling works fine on CPUs that produce more heat. If you would rather avoid water, I can't imagine a good air CPU cooler with a large fan not being more than enough. I might add, I'm always scared the pump will decide to take a nap. At least with a air cooler, it will cool some even without a fan. Could prevent burning out the CPU if you shutdown quick. Maybe when I get me a new rig built I can share personal experience. ;-) Dale :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] Encrypted drives, password generation and management howto, guide.
Peter Humphrey wrote: > On Wednesday, 15 May 2024 14:37:22 BST Michael wrote: > >> There are 3 'cliboards', known as selections, I know of: >> >> 1. Primary - you select some text by holding down your left mouse button (or >> Shift+arrow) and you paste it with your middle button (or Shift+Insert - >> depending on application). >> >> 2. Secondary - some applications will autoselect text, e.g. when you click >> in the non-empty address bar of a browser. This can replace any selection >> you had in the Primary selection. It depends on the particular >> application. >> >> 3. Clipboard - this is the Ctrl+x/c/v MSWindows style of cut/copy/paste menu >> items. > I just think of them simply as a selection buffer and a paste buffer. It > obviates any more complicated mental models. > >> I understand there's a new disk technology about to be released upon us with >> laser heating up the area where data is being stored, to increase density >> and therefore hugely increase capacity. Your next spinning drive could >> well be 30-50T or more! 0_0 > Oo-er! > > -- Regards, Peter. This explanation makes sense. Looks like once I highlight something else, it forgets the previous highlight. That goes with how it seems to work as well. On the larger hard drives, I just bought a Fractal case that holds at least 18 drives. Now this. :-D Dale :-) :-)
[gentoo-user] Re: Encrypted drives, password generation and management howto, guide.
On 2024-05-15, Michael wrote: > As far as I know the Primary selection is not stored anywhere - > other than within the application's memory space where the range of > characters have been selected. The xserver will call for this when > you middle click to paste it on another application's window. Right. When you highlight some text, the application asserts ownership of the primary selection, but no contents of the selection are transferred to the X server. So, the X server knows who owns the selection, but it doesn't actually store the contents anywhere. If you middle-click on a window, the X server will make a call to the owner of selection to get the selection contents and then provide that contents to the active window. When process (X client) that owns the selection exits, the selection becomes "empty" (unavailable). > The Clipboard may be stored in RAM or cache of any applications > which use this method. AFAICT, the clipboard contents is stored in the X server. When you cut/copy something, the application sends that something to the X server where it's stored. When that application exits, the clipboard contents are still there in the X server, and can still be requested by other applications who want to do a "paste". With the usual behavior, the selection and clipboard sort of overlap: When you highlight something the application asserts ownership of the primary selection, but nothing is transferred to the X server. If you then do a "copy", the application will send that highlighted text to the clipbard. If you haven't selected anything else, now you can either middle-click or paste, and you'll get the same thing. If you exit the app, then middle-click will produce nothing because there is no selection owner. But, paste will still get the "copied" data from the X server. That said, something doesn't have to be selected (in the X11 sense) to be copied into the clipboard -- but that's how most applications work first you select (in the X11 sense) something then you copy it to the clipboard. -- Grant
[gentoo-user] Graphics configuration for a Ryzen 7 7700X chip and water cooling.
Hello, Gentoo. My current rig is working well (hence the lack of posts to the list from me), but The time is coming up for me to buy a new PC, the current one being around 7 years old. It's served me well for that time, but nothing lasts forever. Also, it would be nice to be able to build clang and rust and friends somewhat faster. So I'm looking at getting an AMD Ryzen 7 7700X processor, and using its inbuilt graphics rather than buying a distinct graphics card. But in the doc on wiki.gentoo.org, I can't find any mention of inbuilt graphics; all references are to graphics _cards_. Does Gentoo support my intended processor's graphics, and if so, how do I go about identifying the needed microcode (if any) and so on? Am I missing something obvious in the wiki? As a somewhat tangential question, would it be worthwhile getting water cooling in my new machine? In particular, to reduce the noise it gives off while building large packages such as clang and rust? Or is water cooling only sensible for really heavy users such as gamers? Thanks for the upcoming answers! -- Alan Mackenzie (Nuremberg, Germany).
Re: [gentoo-user] Encrypted drives, password generation and management howto, guide.
On Wednesday, 15 May 2024 14:37:22 BST Michael wrote: > There are 3 'cliboards', known as selections, I know of: > > 1. Primary - you select some text by holding down your left mouse button (or > Shift+arrow) and you paste it with your middle button (or Shift+Insert - > depending on application). > > 2. Secondary - some applications will autoselect text, e.g. when you click > in the non-empty address bar of a browser. This can replace any selection > you had in the Primary selection. It depends on the particular > application. > > 3. Clipboard - this is the Ctrl+x/c/v MSWindows style of cut/copy/paste menu > items. I just think of them simply as a selection buffer and a paste buffer. It obviates any more complicated mental models. > I understand there's a new disk technology about to be released upon us with > laser heating up the area where data is being stored, to increase density > and therefore hugely increase capacity. Your next spinning drive could > well be 30-50T or more! 0_0 Oo-er! -- Regards, Peter. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] Encrypted drives, password generation and management howto, guide.
On Wednesday, 15 May 2024 14:09:01 BST Dale wrote: > Michael wrote: > > On Wednesday, 15 May 2024 11:56:04 BST Dale wrote: > >> There doesn't appear to be a xclip on here, not as a command anyway. > >> Could it be some other name? Maybe it changed? I'm sure it is > >> something. I just don't know what. > >> > >> Thanks. > >> > >> Dale > >> > >> :-) :-) > > > > x11-misc/xclip > > > > Or just select some empty space in an application, to overwrite your > > previous selection. > > Well, since it works, something is acting as a clipboard. It doesn't > seem to be xclip in my case. Anyway, that's what I been doing is > highlighting something else and that makes it paste the new highlighted > info instead of previous info. I have no idea if those entries are > stored somewhere or when gone, they gone. I'm hoping they are gone. There are 3 'cliboards', known as selections, I know of: 1. Primary - you select some text by holding down your left mouse button (or Shift+arrow) and you paste it with your middle button (or Shift+Insert - depending on application). 2. Secondary - some applications will autoselect text, e.g. when you click in the non-empty address bar of a browser. This can replace any selection you had in the Primary selection. It depends on the particular application. 3. Clipboard - this is the Ctrl+x/c/v MSWindows style of cut/copy/paste menu items. More details can be found in the spec here: https://specifications.freedesktop.org/clipboards-spec/clipboards-latest.txt As far as I know the Primary selection is not stored anywhere - other than within the application's memory space where the range of characters have been selected. The xserver will call for this when you middle click to paste it on another application's window. The Clipboard may be stored in RAM or cache of any applications which use this method. > P. S. My new 16TB drive is almost done with the long SMART test. :-D I understand there's a new disk technology about to be released upon us with laser heating up the area where data is being stored, to increase density and therefore hugely increase capacity. Your next spinning drive could well be 30-50T or more! 0_0 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
[gentoo-user] Re: Encrypted drives, password generation and management howto, guide.
On 2024-05-15, Dale wrote: >> Or just select some empty space in an application, to overwrite your >> previous >> selection. > > Well, since it works, something is acting as a clipboard. It's part of the X server. Same for the two selections. > It doesn't seem to be xclip in my case. Anyway, that's what I been > doing is highlighting something else and that makes it paste the new > highlighted info instead of previous info. I have no idea if those > entries are stored somewhere or when gone, they gone. I'm hoping > they are gone.
[gentoo-user] Re: Encrypted drives, password generation and management howto, guide.
On 2024-05-15, Dale wrote: > I thought that too. I highlighted some text in a Konsole and then > looked in the KDE clipboard, what I highlighted was not there. > > It wasn't there after I pasted it either. It goes to a clipboard > somewhere but it appears it only remembers one entry then forgets > when you highlight something else. You're conflating to different but related things. In X, the selection and the clipboard are two different "places". When you click-drag to highlight text, that goes into the selection. In X, there are actually two different selections: the primary and the secondary. By default highlighted text goes into the primary selection. Middle-clicking shoves the contents of the primary selection into stdin for whatever window is selected. When you do "cut" or "copy" something, it goes into the clipboard. When you "paste" it comes from the clipboard. xclip can access (read or write) all three (primary selection, secondary selection, and clipboard). https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/139191/whats-the-difference-between-primary-selection-and-clipboard-buffer https://superuser.com/questions/90257/what-is-the-difference-between-the-x-clipboards https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/mgr0v/til_x11_has_three_clipboards/ -- Grant
Re: [gentoo-user] Encrypted drives, password generation and management howto, guide.
Michael wrote: > On Wednesday, 15 May 2024 11:56:04 BST Dale wrote: >> Neil Bothwick wrote: >>> On Wed, 15 May 2024 03:44:49 -0500, Dale wrote: I thought that too. I highlighted some text in a Konsole and then looked in the KDE clipboard, what I highlighted was not there. It wasn't there after I pasted it either. It goes to a clipboard somewhere but it appears it only remembers one entry then forgets when you highlight something else. I'm not aware of a way to access it yet. I've looked for it but can't find it. To be honest, I wish there was a way to clear it, wherever it is. I clear my KDE clipboard that is on my desktop pretty regular. I always do so after copying passwords or something important. >>> xclip manipulates both the standard and X selection clipboards. It works >>> with the X selection clipboard by default, so you shold be able to clear >>> it with >>> >>> echo "" | xclip >>> I'm wondering if that clipboard is a part of Konsole itself. I've never seen anything in the KDE clipboard that I just highlighted in Konsole. >>> It's part of X. >>> I could use Bitwarden to generate passwords but then I'd need to copy it to my regular clipboard to get it to the Konsole. I wanted to avoid that. >>> Bitwarden has an option to clear the clipboard after a configurable time, >>> much like KeePassXC. >>> >>> Naturally, if you are really paranoid about security, you will run your >>> own Vaultwarden server to avoid the passwords ever going anywhere out of >>> your control. >> I wanted to check out the help info, maybe learn something new. This is >> what I get when trying to find xclip. >> >> >> root@fireball / # xc >> xcam xchm xcircuit >> root@fireball / # >> >> >> There doesn't appear to be a xclip on here, not as a command anyway. >> Could it be some other name? Maybe it changed? I'm sure it is >> something. I just don't know what. >> >> Thanks. >> >> Dale >> >> :-) :-) > x11-misc/xclip > > Or just select some empty space in an application, to overwrite your previous > selection. Well, since it works, something is acting as a clipboard. It doesn't seem to be xclip in my case. Anyway, that's what I been doing is highlighting something else and that makes it paste the new highlighted info instead of previous info. I have no idea if those entries are stored somewhere or when gone, they gone. I'm hoping they are gone. Dale :-) :-) P. S. My new 16TB drive is almost done with the long SMART test. :-D
Re: [gentoo-user] Encrypted drives, password generation and management howto, guide.
On Wednesday, 15 May 2024 11:56:04 BST Dale wrote: > Neil Bothwick wrote: > > On Wed, 15 May 2024 03:44:49 -0500, Dale wrote: > >> I thought that too. I highlighted some text in a Konsole and then > >> looked in the KDE clipboard, what I highlighted was not there. It > >> wasn't there after I pasted it either. It goes to a clipboard somewhere > >> but it appears it only remembers one entry then forgets when you > >> highlight something else. I'm not aware of a way to access it yet. > >> I've looked for it but can't find it. To be honest, I wish there was a > >> way to clear it, wherever it is. I clear my KDE clipboard that is on my > >> desktop pretty regular. I always do so after copying passwords or > >> something important. > > > > xclip manipulates both the standard and X selection clipboards. It works > > with the X selection clipboard by default, so you shold be able to clear > > it with > > > > echo "" | xclip > > > >> I'm wondering if that clipboard is a part of Konsole itself. I've never > >> seen anything in the KDE clipboard that I just highlighted in Konsole. > > > > It's part of X. > > > >> I could use Bitwarden to generate passwords but then I'd need to copy it > >> to my regular clipboard to get it to the Konsole. I wanted to avoid > >> that. > > > > Bitwarden has an option to clear the clipboard after a configurable time, > > much like KeePassXC. > > > > Naturally, if you are really paranoid about security, you will run your > > own Vaultwarden server to avoid the passwords ever going anywhere out of > > your control. > > I wanted to check out the help info, maybe learn something new. This is > what I get when trying to find xclip. > > > root@fireball / # xc > xcam xchm xcircuit > root@fireball / # > > > There doesn't appear to be a xclip on here, not as a command anyway. > Could it be some other name? Maybe it changed? I'm sure it is > something. I just don't know what. > > Thanks. > > Dale > > :-) :-) x11-misc/xclip Or just select some empty space in an application, to overwrite your previous selection. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] Encrypted drives, password generation and management howto, guide.
Neil Bothwick wrote: > On Wed, 15 May 2024 03:44:49 -0500, Dale wrote: > >> I thought that too. I highlighted some text in a Konsole and then >> looked in the KDE clipboard, what I highlighted was not there. It >> wasn't there after I pasted it either. It goes to a clipboard somewhere >> but it appears it only remembers one entry then forgets when you >> highlight something else. I'm not aware of a way to access it yet. >> I've looked for it but can't find it. To be honest, I wish there was a >> way to clear it, wherever it is. I clear my KDE clipboard that is on my >> desktop pretty regular. I always do so after copying passwords or >> something important. > xclip manipulates both the standard and X selection clipboards. It works > with the X selection clipboard by default, so you shold be able to clear > it with > > echo "" | xclip > >> I'm wondering if that clipboard is a part of Konsole itself. I've never >> seen anything in the KDE clipboard that I just highlighted in Konsole. > It's part of X. > >> I could use Bitwarden to generate passwords but then I'd need to copy it >> to my regular clipboard to get it to the Konsole. I wanted to avoid >> that. > Bitwarden has an option to clear the clipboard after a configurable time, > much like KeePassXC. > > Naturally, if you are really paranoid about security, you will run your > own Vaultwarden server to avoid the passwords ever going anywhere out of > your control. > > I wanted to check out the help info, maybe learn something new. This is what I get when trying to find xclip. root@fireball / # xc xcam xchm xcircuit root@fireball / # There doesn't appear to be a xclip on here, not as a command anyway. Could it be some other name? Maybe it changed? I'm sure it is something. I just don't know what. Thanks. Dale :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Grub, gpt partitions and BIOS, not uefi thing.
On Wednesday, 15 May 2024 08:42:14 BST Wols Lists wrote: > On 02/05/2024 11:46, Peter Humphrey wrote: > > When I started using Linux, the received wisdom was to keep a separate > > /boot, and leave it unmounted during normal operation. The idea was that > > a successful hacker would not, supposedly, be able to corrupt the kernel > > ready for a reboot into their system. > > And you can't have /boot on your system partition if, like me, you have > one instance of grub booting into several different OSs or distros ... > Less so now, but having multiple distros on one system was a popular > hobbyist pastime! I think whoever named grub had delusions of grandeur. :) Anyway, I never let it near my systems. -- Regards, Peter. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] Encrypted drives, password generation and management howto, guide.
On Wed, 15 May 2024 03:44:49 -0500, Dale wrote: > I thought that too. I highlighted some text in a Konsole and then > looked in the KDE clipboard, what I highlighted was not there. It > wasn't there after I pasted it either. It goes to a clipboard somewhere > but it appears it only remembers one entry then forgets when you > highlight something else. I'm not aware of a way to access it yet. > I've looked for it but can't find it. To be honest, I wish there was a > way to clear it, wherever it is. I clear my KDE clipboard that is on my > desktop pretty regular. I always do so after copying passwords or > something important. xclip manipulates both the standard and X selection clipboards. It works with the X selection clipboard by default, so you shold be able to clear it with echo "" | xclip > I'm wondering if that clipboard is a part of Konsole itself. I've never > seen anything in the KDE clipboard that I just highlighted in Konsole. It's part of X. > I could use Bitwarden to generate passwords but then I'd need to copy it > to my regular clipboard to get it to the Konsole. I wanted to avoid > that. Bitwarden has an option to clear the clipboard after a configurable time, much like KeePassXC. Naturally, if you are really paranoid about security, you will run your own Vaultwarden server to avoid the passwords ever going anywhere out of your control. -- Neil Bothwick Humpty Dumpty DOS - Just a shell of himself. pgpbOlXdjFiN7.pgp Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Encrypted drives, password generation and management howto, guide.
Frank Steinmetzger wrote: > Am Tue, May 14, 2024 at 06:28:17AM -0500 schrieb Dale: >> Howdy, >> […] >> remember either, or write notes to remember them. I also wanted to >> avoid the desktop copy and paste, or clipboard, mechanism. I'm not sure >> how that data is stored in the clipboard and how good it is at erasing >> it when I clear it. > The mark-and-middleclick you describe further down is the very same as the > “normal” clipboard. It is just accessed differently. > I thought that too. I highlighted some text in a Konsole and then looked in the KDE clipboard, what I highlighted was not there. It wasn't there after I pasted it either. It goes to a clipboard somewhere but it appears it only remembers one entry then forgets when you highlight something else. I'm not aware of a way to access it yet. I've looked for it but can't find it. To be honest, I wish there was a way to clear it, wherever it is. I clear my KDE clipboard that is on my desktop pretty regular. I always do so after copying passwords or something important. I'm wondering if that clipboard is a part of Konsole itself. I've never seen anything in the KDE clipboard that I just highlighted in Konsole. Now if I highlight and right click to copy, that goes to the KDE clipboard as expected. I'm not sure where the Konsole clipboard info goes. >> First, I needed to generate a password. I googled, a lot. I had >> trouble finding a way to generate the type of passwords I wanted but I >> finally found one. > Care to elaborate regarding the “password you wanted”? There is the obvious > pwgen, which can generate passwords with given character sets and length. > Keepass can do this, too, so I assume, Bitwarden (which you use) has a > similar function. > > And if you don’t like parts of the generated PW, keep the part you like, > generate new and pick the part you like again. Or just let pwgen generate a > big bunch and pick what you like best from the output. > I could use Bitwarden to generate passwords but then I'd need to copy it to my regular clipboard to get it to the Konsole. I wanted to avoid that. Bitwarden is a awesome tool. It's like LastPasss but open source. When LastPass got bought and started limiting basic features, I switched to Bitwarden. Honestly, I wish I had started with Bitwarden to begin with. I like my passwords to have all sorts of characters in as random a order as possible. Most all password tools do a good job of this. The thing I like about the method I posted, I can control exactly what characters are used, individually. I had a website once that allowed some characters, like above the number keys on older keyboards, but didn't allow a few odd ones. LastPass and Bitwarden have the option to turn them off or on as a set but not individually. Luckily that website wasn't something sensitive like a bank or anything but still, some websites do limit what can be used and some are a bit weird. With the command I use, I can easily, in a one time way, leave out anything that I need to but leave the rest. >> […] >> Now that I have a password, how do I keep track of them? I did some >> more searching. I wanted something that was command line not GUI. >> After all, I have BitWarden for websites and such already. Thing is, >> it's GUI since it is a Firefox add-on. I'd need to use the clipboard to >> copy and paste. I want to avoid that remember? I also wanted something >> that is on its own, separate from my main password tool BitWarden. I >> found kpcli in the tree. > I didn’t know about kpcli and it is not available in Arch. So I looked it > up. Turns out it is a non-graphical Keepass client (that’s what the kp > stands for, after all). > > Interestingly, there is also a bitwarden CLI client. > > Did you know Keepass (the graphical one) has an autotype feature? This means > that it simulates the pressing of keys, so it bypasses the clipboard > entirely. Another advantage of that is that you can set up custom key > sequences in the autotype field, so you can for example say “first enter the > username, then press enter, then wait for a second, then enter the password > and press enter again.” Useful for sites that use a dynamic login screen > with animations or non-standard input fields. > I didn't know KeePass had that feature in the GUI version. I did know kpcli was based on KeePass in some way tho. I read that somewhere. Kpcli just fit the need I had and was in the tree to install. Now that I got it setup, it does what I want, no need switching. ;-) >> Then I needed some way to handle if the password file kpcli uses got >> lost or damaged. If I were to lose that file, all drives and the data >> on them is lost. I'd lose everything because there is no way to >> remember the password. > The obvious answer is: backup – encrypted or not. ;-) > My Keepass database is a simple file in my home that is backed up together > with all the other home files by Borg. Meaning I
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Grub, gpt partitions and BIOS, not uefi thing.
On 02/05/2024 11:46, Peter Humphrey wrote: When I started using Linux, the received wisdom was to keep a separate /boot, and leave it unmounted during normal operation. The idea was that a successful hacker would not, supposedly, be able to corrupt the kernel ready for a reboot into their system. And you can't have /boot on your system partition if, like me, you have one instance of grub booting into several different OSs or distros ... Less so now, but having multiple distros on one system was a popular hobbyist pastime! (One distro's system partition is another distro's data partion :-) Cheers, Wol
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Grub, gpt partitions and BIOS, not uefi thing.
On 02/05/2024 10:35, Michael wrote: Besides the automation this feature affords, I find it useful to know what a partition contains without having to mount it. On GPT labelled disks I make use both of the Partition Type UUID and the Partition Name. A quick glance at the gdisk output and if need be its 'i' option has saved my day from formatting the wrong partition more than once! Iirc from the days of kernel 1.3 and 2.x, the partition type is not used - at all - by linux itself. Dunno about other OSs. As you pointed out, though, it is used by other tools, which use it to identify what the partition is *supposed* to be used for. For example, auto-assemble with raid. I'm not sure, but for example I think swap will quite happily let you "mount" a non-swap partiton with swap-on. You can format an allegedly DOS or NTFS partition with ext, and linux won't care ... Cheers, Wol
