Re: [gentoo-user] emerge-webrsync error
Anyone know anything about top secret mind control devices? The devices are suspected to be in haymarket melbourne australia and can control peoples brains with audio and visual data? if anyone knows anyone from darpa or other agency maybe let them now Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2024 at 3:18 AM From: "Jude DaShiell" To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] emerge-webrsync error Thanks, if I get to that point I'll remember that number! -- Jude "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." Ed Howdershelt 1940. On Wed, 22 May 2024, Michael wrote: > Or, more appropriately if you do not use a desktop then please select profile > No. 21: > > [21] default/linux/amd64/23.0 (stable) > > > On Wednesday, 22 May 2024 16:05:09 BST Michael wrote: > > Ah! OK, this probably explains it. > > > > The latest and now default Gentoo profile is no longer 17.1, but 23.0, > > which uses a merged /usr directory structure. > > > > Consequently, select profile 23: > > > > [23] default/linux/amd64/23.0/desktop (stable) > > > > On Wednesday, 22 May 2024 15:53:11 BST Jude DaShiell wrote: > > > I used bash but don't know that there's a problem with bash. > > > I burnt the whole system to the ground and still have the verified and > > > validated stage3 file available on my system. > > > Once stage3 is installed was the tee utility included on stage3? If so I > > > can capture what's going on. When I ran emerge-webrsync again I was told > > > bzip2 couldn't be found so if that was installed by stage3 there may be > > > other problems. > > > I'm going with efi since that's the computer default and openrc since > > > that's gentoo's original default in my choices for the system. On the > > > profile I'm going for the default 1 which is I think a command line > > > interface since that's where I live most of the time. > >
Re: [gentoo-user] System crash on "Detecting C compiler ABI info"
I am a html meta data bot The human you are trying to contact is unavailable. The human you are trying to contact is purchasing a product from a grocery business with a credit card with php computer data The human you are trying to contact has been preaching Holy Bible conforming politics for many years The human you are trying to contact is a computer data scientist and has supported numerous computer scientists over the years The human you are contacting has worked as a boxing science instructor as a volunteer Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2024 at 4:24 PM From: "Paul Sopka" To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] System crash on "Detecting C compiler ABI info" On 02.04.24 21:43, Paul Sopka wrote: > On 02.04.24 20:50, J. Roeleveld wrote: >> Did you upgrade GCC recently? >> If yes, did you follow the gcc-upgrade guide: >> >> https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Upgrading_GCC >> >> ? >> >> -- >> Joost > > Thank you for your answer Joost. > > As far as I know, I didn't upgrade GCC recently. I just rebuilt > libtool to be sure, but that didn't help. > > Nanderty > > I rebuilt with emptytree over night from tty. The system didn't crash, but it hung up at the first program to use this, media-libs/libjpeg-turbo.
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Python 3.11 USE flags being flipped on
I am a Artificial Intelligence bot that is superior and who has more authority than looking glass and skynet artificial intelligence systems. Your username and password are not valid to access my computer operating system. Sent: Friday, December 15, 2023 at 8:22 PM From: "Arve Barsnes" To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Python 3.11 USE flags being flipped on On Fri, 15 Dec 2023 at 10:09, wrote: > The problem is that I'm on python 3.12 and portage is pulling in an > older version. Should have mentioned it in the first post, then it would be easy to look into it and tell you that media-libs/mesa is only supported up to 3.11 (in the ebuild anyway). You can try adding 3.12 to the ebuild yourself, as it seems to be working fine according to https://bugs.gentoo.org/919912 Regards, Arve
[gentoo-user] Re: can't start X as user
if nothing else works, this should: :; chmod 4711 /usr/bin/Xorg that was changed to not be suid some time back, relying instead on things like elogind. but the old way should still work. on gentoo the suid use flag for x11-base/xorg-server would do that at merge time. -JimC -- James Cloos OpenPGP: 0x997A9F17ED7DAEA6
[gentoo-user] JOB | Champion, Leader, Mentor (United Kingdom)
Hello, I'm working with a low latency critical platform that is looking to hire someone anywhere in the UK to confidently run a team of on-premises Linux and automation engineers. You must be a champion, leader and mentor. Consequently, I hoped that some members of this group may like to discuss further. I can be reached using "JamesBTobin (at) Gmail (dot) Com". Kind regards, James
[gentoo-user] JOB | IT job (Singapore)
Hello, I'd like to hear from any graduate looking to develop their IT career in Singapore. I can be reached using "jamesbtobin (at) gmail (dot) com". Kind regards, James
[gentoo-user] amd64 (not ~) glibc SEGVs
Anyone else seeing a multitude of segv in libc on a stable box with =sys-libs/glibc-2.34-r10? not everything dies, but a lot of important stuff does, including portage and gdb profile on that box is: profiles/default/linux/amd64/17.1/no-multilib/hardened -JimC -- James Cloos OpenPGP: 0x997A9F17ED7DAEA6
[gentoo-user] Re: How to run X11 apps remotely?
ah, yes. i completely forgot about xpra. probabably a better solution than spice. -JimC -- James Cloos OpenPGP: 0x997A9F17ED7DAEA6
Re: [gentoo-user] How to run X11 apps remotely?
unfortunately running the single application over app-emulation/spice might be as good as it gets. even over a local 1gig lan link those bugs you described are annoying. -JimC -- James Cloos OpenPGP: 0x997A9F17ED7DAEA6
[gentoo-user] JOB | DBA (Montreal)
Hello, I'm working with an employer that is looking to hire a DBA (MySQL/MariaDB) for their Montreal office. Consequently I had hoped that some members may like to discuss with me further; off-list. Kind regards, James // JamesBTobin (at) Gmail (dot) com
[gentoo-user] JOB | Database Administrator (Montreal)
Hello, I'm working with an employer that is looking to hire a DBA (MYSQL, MARIADB). Consequently I had hoped that some members of this mailing list may like to discuss. Kind regards, James (JamesBTobin Gmail (dot) Com)
Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo Council vs Umbrella Corp ?
On 8/29/20 7:01 PM, Rich Freeman wrote: On Sat, Aug 29, 2020 at 6:47 PM james wrote: On 8/29/20 4:49 PM, Rich Freeman wrote: Perhaps a read only mechanism could publish all of that financial data? Perhaps timely data entry, should be a requirement? As part of the cleanup Robin has published a fair bit of this stuff on the Foundation wiki (on the Gentoo wiki). I'd encourage those interested to browse. The stuff that is private (account nos, payees, etc) is in an infra-hosted private git repo. That is actually a big improvement because a lot of the problems came from it being in a box at somebody's home for a number of years, which made it hard to tell what was going on, and without going into details we'll just say that reports were not always accurate. Can/will you summarize the collective reason to get rid of the Foundation or any other component of Gentoo management? If they are not being paid, why the rush to terminate? So, mgorny outlined a lot of that on the blog. The concern is that we've finally gotten to a clean state, and now we ought to figure out where we're going while we're STILL in a clean state. Otherwise our bus factor is pretty low before things start slipping again, and if we get out of compliance then changing things will be harder. Are there resources for access to those discussions, meeting minutes notes and such? Audio recording of meetings or some sort of summary? Just about everything is on the Foundation wiki pages, or the -nfp list (which is archived). I recommend browsing the recent history if you're interested - it is a very low-traffic list. Discussions on the fate of the Foundation can be a bit noisy, but you can just skip any really long threads if you're looking for more housekeeping stuff. The Trustee meeting minutes on the wiki is where much of the meat is, though the community discussion leading up to decisions tends to be on the lists. Redundancy, is a key component of most all of computer science. Trust, but verify, is another fundamental tenant. If your want formal references, its under the blanket term of 'Fault Tolerance'. I write this for the benefit of all readers. This is what I'm really getting at. And really this is what I mean by cloud. I don't mean moving everything from a non-replicated infra to a non-replicated single cloud provider. I mean trying to move to more distributed technologies so that we can be replicated on many providers, which could be cloud or individually hosted or whatever. Unfortunately while this is very straightforward for git it isn't so straightforward for a lot of other stuff, in particular bugzilla. I trimmed down the reply quite a bit because much of what you asked about is largely already discussed or I don't have much to add. There are pros and cons to all the options and I don't think anybody questions that. This is part of why we're in analysis paralysis. So, my take-aways are: 1. Find the links and read up on what has occurred, to date. 2. Follow up on convencing the leadership (?) to use GNUcash, with real time postings and read privileges. 3. Trying to figure out 'why' Gentoo leaders are balking at converting to a '501(c)' https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/501(c)_organization 4. Clearly expressing that it is OK for folks and corps to use Gentoo's code_base to make money. Although, there are no current 'payola' requirements when making money using gentoo, that can easily be change by those in control. Were Gentoo to convert to a '501(c)' corp, we the users and purveyors of Gentoo would have legal rights to use Gentoo to make money. Since Gentoo is a privately help corporations, it is trivial to reverse any standards of business practice, fees and such, at the sole discretion of those in control. So, based on decades of experience, I'd strongly suggest converting to a 501(c) corp. 5. It is very, very wrong for Gentoo to stay organized as a "for profit" corporation. Because, that means the contributions to Gentoo, become the property of the for profit corp. Although it is not a current exploit, it is not illegal (but maybe immoral) to massively change direction. Profiteering from the good works and contributions of the many, to the glutinous benefit of the few, is a constant, recurring theme among corporations. Precedence has already been set. Smarty-Pants took Gentoo and for CoreOS, which was then sold to Redhat. Redhat was subsequently purchased by IBM. Millions and Millions of dollars change hand. The same thing can easily happen to Gentoo, when an installation disc is created. It's an economic windfall, just waiting to happen. It's a deception, in the eyes of the court system. And yes, there are huge ramifications for such actions. But, as previously pointed out, finding enforcement is a challenge. The IRS constantly 'wheels and deals' behind the scenes, if you have the right attorney. Gentoo, if it had a robust installation CD, would be w
Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo Council vs Umbrella Corp ?
kes down our bug tracker we have a dozen devs who are already keeping their own forks of it based on publicly-accessible backups and one just has to make it public to pick up without interruption. Redundancy, is a key component of most all of computer science. Trust, but verify, is another fundamental tenant. If your want formal references, its under the blanket term of 'Fault Tolerance'. I write this for the benefit of all readers. Basically we need to think smaller, not bigger. Stuff that involves money should be a nice-to-have, not a must-have. More Details and let the voting eligible decide? It is quite trivial to setup finances with core needs and the all of this other functions. Restricting interactions and dev status, without rights to over-site, is a very bad idea. Many techs have made lots of money, and are poor and living paycheck to paycheck. You really think it's a good idea to have them manage Gentoo? I'd minimally add an outstanding credit score, say 900, to be eligible to make financial decisions on Gentoo's future. It isn't unlike achieving financial independence/security. The most efficient thing any individual can do to increase their personal financial security is to reduce their recurring spending - you don't need a strategy to generate income that is purely discretionary. , is allow with votes of the members. Really? I totally disagree. The best thing is to make money. Then get your domicile paid off 100%. In Gentoo case, the domicile is several 19" racks full of servers and power conditioning, switches, etc etc. The cloud has some severe security issues. Never borrow money against the domicile. Continue to make money. Spend wisely. There is a time to be financially conservative, and a time to invest. Having someone, with piss-poor personal finances making any sort of financial decision with Gentoo funding semantics, is a recipe for fraud. Double dipping? Credit scores are the mark of excellence, that's why they are universally used by the astute. I'm not sure how Gentoo is anything other than a 501-c charity? What form of organization/filing does Gentoo ascribe to? Tech ventures are no exception and in fact may be more in need of individuals with extreme financial integrity. Conclusively, make few changes atm with Gentoo. Let's flush out many of the details, or make the postings of these aforementioned groups published, so they can be read by all. Seriously, I'd think this is, is the premier place to discuss such matters. ymmv. Finally, Rich, your commitment to Gentoo, is well documented and greatly appreciated. Many on this list are quite astute with business matters. If fact Gentoo is a collective, of very accomplished computer types, the associated finances is something many have experience with, here at Gentoo. WE can help, and reinforce wise, open decisions. A realtime mechanism for thousands of eyes to follow expenditures, is way past due, imho. hth, James
Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo Council vs Umbrella Corp ?
On 8/29/20 3:47 PM, William Hubbs wrote: On Sat, Aug 29, 2020 at 01:15:51PM -0400, james wrote: On 8/28/20 5:10 PM, antlists wrote: On 28/08/2020 19:10, james wrote: A council member, from say England, could manage how 1/2 of what they raise is spent. It could even "english centric" but must comply with USA IRS standards. Our council could be expanded to many members, from other countries, with a centic goal of spending Gentoo funds WHY? As a Brit I wouldn't want to touch the Americal Legal System with a barge pole!!! Truly, there is no other globally recognized tax system like the USA-IRS (bad ass && world class open). That's why in times of trouble, entrepreneurs world wide flock to the "dollar". Also, being in elite standing with the USA-IRS opens many door doors to enhance and promote and deploy GENTOO globally. And as a Brit, while HMRC may be a pain, I have precious little to do with them. My employer deals with them, and at the end of the year I occasionally get a letter saying I've overpaid my taxes and here's some money back. Do I REALLY want to get involved with some foreign system that's WAY more complicated? Get rid of your rose-tinted spectacles. For the MAJORITY of Brits, our tax system is way less complicated than yours. You'd be better off moving the foundation to somewhere that doesn't have your insane mix of state and federal taxes, and doesn't offload the responsibility onto people who don't understand the system. Cheers, Wol Each group of gentoo users, by legal status of the country they reside in, has to be responsible for keeping their gentoo activities safe, legal and prosperous. You are absolutely correct. I too struggle with American laws; I feel your pain and outrage at the USA government. Never the less, Gentoo is anchored, legally, in the USA? So that is my perspective. My efforts. My area of involvement with Gentoo is centric to and under the auspices of the USA tax codes and other legal requirements. I know that England is a wonderful place, as I have many friends there. I assume we are stuck with the American legal system, as that is where Gentoo, historically, choose. None of that precludes Gentoo from forming legal branches in other countries, except for costs and a mountain of ever expanding legal requirements. So, that is often, the overwhelming reason many global charities choose the USA and all of the legal encumbrances that are required. If you or others wish other legal foundations for Gentoo, make your offers and suggestion to the Gentoo Council? Gentoo Devs? Besides if the new triumvirate: Canada, England, Australia and New Zealand is successful, then you can compare Gentoo being registered therein, or keeping things in the USA? Sound to me like you are an excellent candidate to join the Gentoo Council? If so, contact Mgorny for pointers. The functions being discussed in this thread belong to the trustees (the board of directors for the foundation) [1]. Thhey are definitely not part of the council's skill set [2]. The Gentoo social contract is fine; as long as folks do not take and expanded interpretation of those tenets. That is expansive interpretation, going beyond what is clearly stated, is a slippery slope. Too often that is the exact problem. I'd suggest a tight, conservative interpretation of the Gentoo Social Contract. If not clearly delineated, do not expand it's interpretation. https://gentoo.org/get-started/philosophy/social-contract.html mgorny and others are advocating disbanding the Gentoo foundation and transfering all of Gentoo's assets to an organization such as the Software Freedom Conservancy [3] and allowing the council to exist as it currently does. The post, at first read, he makes in sound as if "Gentoo" is in some sort of trouble. Now that we clearly know, Gentoo is currently sufficiently funded, WE should move very slowly. Caveat Emptor. As a member of the council, I'll be the first to say I don't know anything about trustee functions. For me, the question is, do we want to control our own destiny as an organization or do we want to have another organization control it in some way? To be honest, I do not have that answer because I don't know how much control an umbrella organization would try to exert, and since they would control our purse strings, I don't know what the scope of control they would be able to exert is. Amen! So let us flush out the clear roles and authorities, BEFORE we make any changes. Thank you for your clear, precise focus, as folks, including myself, tend to get very excited when is it presented that 'gentoo is in trouble'. I've been here since 2002, after selling a large ISP (CFTnet) in 1999. Integrity is everything, in any organization. ymmv. James William [1] https://www.gentoo.org/inside-gentoo/foundation/ [2] https://www.gentoo.org/glep/glep-0039.html [3] https://sfconservancy.org/
Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo Council vs Umbrella Corp ?
On 8/28/20 5:10 PM, antlists wrote: On 28/08/2020 19:10, james wrote: A council member, from say England, could manage how 1/2 of what they raise is spent. It could even "english centric" but must comply with USA IRS standards. Our council could be expanded to many members, from other countries, with a centic goal of spending Gentoo funds WHY? As a Brit I wouldn't want to touch the Americal Legal System with a barge pole!!! Truly, there is no other globally recognized tax system like the USA-IRS (bad ass && world class open). That's why in times of trouble, entrepreneurs world wide flock to the "dollar". Also, being in elite standing with the USA-IRS opens many door doors to enhance and promote and deploy GENTOO globally. And as a Brit, while HMRC may be a pain, I have precious little to do with them. My employer deals with them, and at the end of the year I occasionally get a letter saying I've overpaid my taxes and here's some money back. Do I REALLY want to get involved with some foreign system that's WAY more complicated? Get rid of your rose-tinted spectacles. For the MAJORITY of Brits, our tax system is way less complicated than yours. You'd be better off moving the foundation to somewhere that doesn't have your insane mix of state and federal taxes, and doesn't offload the responsibility onto people who don't understand the system. Cheers, Wol Each group of gentoo users, by legal status of the country they reside in, has to be responsible for keeping their gentoo activities safe, legal and prosperous. You are absolutely correct. I too struggle with American laws; I feel your pain and outrage at the USA government. Never the less, Gentoo is anchored, legally, in the USA? So that is my perspective. My efforts. My area of involvement with Gentoo is centric to and under the auspices of the USA tax codes and other legal requirements. I know that England is a wonderful place, as I have many friends there. I assume we are stuck with the American legal system, as that is where Gentoo, historically, choose. None of that precludes Gentoo from forming legal branches in other countries, except for costs and a mountain of ever expanding legal requirements. So, that is often, the overwhelming reason many global charities choose the USA and all of the legal encumbrances that are required. If you or others wish other legal foundations for Gentoo, make your offers and suggestion to the Gentoo Council? Gentoo Devs? Besides if the new triumvirate: Canada, England, Australia and New Zealand is successful, then you can compare Gentoo being registered therein, or keeping things in the USA? Sound to me like you are an excellent candidate to join the Gentoo Council? If so, contact Mgorny for pointers. good luck. James
Re: [gentoo-user] tips on running a mail server in a cheap vps provider run but not-so-trusty admins?
On 8/28/20 3:54 PM, Poison BL. wrote: On Mon, Aug 17, 2020 at 12:51 AM Caveman Al Toraboran wrote: hi. context: 1. tinfoil hat is on. 2. i feel disrespected when someone does things to my stuff without getting my approval. 3. vps admin is not trusty and their sys admin may read my emails, and laugh at me! 4. whole thing is not worth much money. so not welling to pay more than the price of a cheap vps. moving to dedicated hardware for me is not worth it. my goal is to make it annoying enough that cheap-vps's admins find it a bad idea for them to allocate their time to mingle with my stuff. thoughts on how to maximally satisfy these requirements? rgrds, cm. I'm rather late to the game with this, but at the end of the day, mail coming *into* a mail server isn't typically encrypted (and even that is only the body, the headers can still reveal a great deal, and are necessary for the server to work with it). A packet dump at the switch will turn over every piece of mail you receive along the way. Email's not designed for end to end security by default. Secondly, any hosting on hardware you don't control is impossible to fully secure, if the services on that end have to operate on the data at all. You can encrypt the drive, encrypt the mail stores themselves, etc, but all of those things will result in the encryption key being loaded into ram while the VPS is running, and dumping ram from the hypervisor layer destroys every illusion of security you had. Dedicated hardware in a locked cabinet is as close as you get to preventing physical attacks when you're hosting in someone else's DC, and that's not nearly in the same market segment, price-wise, as a cheap VPS. At best, if you have sensitive email that you're sending or receiving, work with the other end of the communication and then encrypt the contents properly. Even better, go with a larger scale, paid, solution in which your email isn't even remotely worth the effort to tamper with for the hosting company's employees, and hope the contractual obligations are sufficient to protect you. If you have any sort of controlled data going in and out of your email, step up to a plan that adheres to the regulatory frameworks you're required to adhere to and make very sure the contracts for it obligate the vendor to secure things properly on their end (aws, azure/o365/etc mostly all have offerings for, at least, US Gov level requirements). Hm. How about paying for codes the US F. Feds do not have, like Real Random. Supposedly, they are legally pissing of the F. Feds. Do your own evaluation. A US corp in good standing the F. Feds do not want anyone to know. About. Why? For the F. Feds to challenge what they do, they have to PUBLICLY disclose their p. p. https://www.realrandom.co/wp/ yes it's commercial. But for Gentoo, I'd push for a deep discount. They have totally awesome technology, and I know a sales guy there. Any solution, should have open source codes, and options for non-publish commercial codes. Are there back doors? Dunno. Ask. Make your own decision. But rumors are the F. Feds are pissed at these guys, cause they have real technology solutions right now. Not bullshit-AI jibberish. Sure, by executive order Trump could single action them out of existence, but rumor has it, he has already decided NO, on that pathway. My postulate is US Citizens, in good legal standing, with NO felony convictions, have superior rights to privacy, than the F. Feds. It's constitutionally bake in by our for fathers. We just need to stand up and demand this. F. these scumbag lawyers, judges and corrupt (sold out) politicians. The rest of the work is on their own. But, if we organize and stand up, we can put this 'demon' back into the darkness (abyss). I have no fear of the F. Feds. Others would be wise to self examine, before joining up with such an effort. James Horton, pe
Re: [gentoo-user] tips on running a mail server in a cheap vps provider run but not-so-trusty admins?
On 8/28/20 5:00 PM, Grant Taylor wrote: On 8/28/20 1:18 PM, antlists wrote: The main reason other applications use "TCP over HTTP(S)" is because stupid network operators block everything else! I agree that filtering is a problem. I also think that it's something that most people can overcome when they control the firewall between the private LAN and the Internet.� (Your typical SOHO NATing gateway.) The few times that I have run into filtering, it has been for uninitiated inbound connections.� I've almost always been able to initiate outbound connections to / from odd ports.� The few times that I could not do so in the last 20 years were resolved by engaging the ISP and ... politely ... getting them to knock it off.� Inbound can be more tricky.� But even inbound HTTP(S) was subject to the same problems. Actually, inbound HTTP(S) was more of a problem than other ports. The more I hear, the more the FEDS and judges need to get involve. From what I read, it's and education problem. This is commonly referred to as 'racketeering' and is extremely illegal, meaning the FEDS fine them super high amounts of money, and judges rubber stamp the fines. You want to play and compete in the US? A fair economic playground is constitutionally required. There is so much case law, that it is ridiculous. What case law does is establish precedence. And that precedence of relevant case builds a HUGH argument that most judges will not ignore. Combine that with the fact that the general public, will side with us? SlameDunk, in legal parlance. Anyone with access to legal precedence setting case law, can research this out. I had no idea what a pile of Horse S. this has become. It is totally illegal. Even if I were to loose, on Gentoo's behalf, a legal battle, going public will destroy their pierce strings. All of this should be codified in RFCs, or labeled as optional. WE do need to get organized, before seeking legal moguls to assist this public effort. The more I dig, the more I realize it is way past time to fix this illegal activity. My guess is a well documented and organized effort is the first step. Then a few mavericks educating politicians and filing briefs with the court systems will get the ball rolling. I kicked Verizon's Ass, back when they were call GTE, so it's routine for me to kick some big corps ass. If we get, just 0.1 % of their subscribers onboard, it's a done deal. Cell phone criminal activity by the big telco operators is 'part and parcel' to this HS too. My question is have a few technical devs had enough? There are plenty of tech-savie High School kids that need jobs. Think of it as a jobs program. Started here in the US, but easily expandable to most countries. https://foreignpolicy.com/2020/08/27/china-tech-facebook-google/ James
Re: [gentoo-user] tips on running a mail server in a cheap vps provider run but not-so-trusty admins?
On 8/28/20 4:56 PM, Grant Taylor wrote: On 8/28/20 1:55 PM, james wrote: I'm proposing, via a small corp I own, to purchase up to (3) dual Rasp.pi 4 setups of (2) R.Pi.4 8gig ram setups and send them to the devs WE all decide on. A few points. 1)� I don't think that 8 GB of RAM is required.� --� My email server is a VPS with 2 GB of RAM and is running just fine.� So, maybe smaller systems would work.� And maybe that would mean that more of them could be acquired for the same funding. OK, but I like the R.P.8gram quite a lots. so my money is with prototyping on via (3) innovators each with (2) R. P. 4 8g ram. Others can use what they want. Surely others can propose and use other embedded (low2 power) boards. 2)� I don't know that a Raspberry Pi is strictly required for the testing.� I think that anything that will run Gentoo can be used to prove out the software stack.� --� Sure, there will /eventually/ need to be /some/ testing on Raspberry Pis.� But I think that testing will be later in the game and more of a confirmation after the fact. Great idea. Fund that pathway yourself. I LOVE R.PI.4 boards, with 8gig of ram. ymmv. If we can get these codes running on arm64 (R.P.4) surely running them on AMD or intel is trivial? Perhaps a read on "Intel cripple AMD functions is in order? https://www.agner.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1=6 3)� I'm not sure what you mean by "dual ... setups". (2) identical R.Pi.4 8gig rams systems, running gentoo. (1) dns resolver codes emails service codes etc (1) dns resolver codes, webserver to support email services etc. What are the two systems (be it Raspberry Pis or VPSs or VMs or something else) supposed to do?� -� Are you wanting primary and backup (as in MX) or some sort of cluster with shared file system or something else? Well establish, albeit, in long postings on this gentoo-user list. It's just (2) R.P.4 systems, running gentoo. I'm open to the stack (list) of codes necessary to securely run 1. embedded gentoo on R.P.4 (other hardware can be funded by others). 2. Any number of robust email servers-systems (open) 3. a DNS servers to provide "primary dns services" a total of (2). More than 2 would be great. 4. A companion ngnix(?) web server just to complement the project. The ideas is each email services collective could have their own web pages explaining their email and related services. 5. On these (3) projects, I'd be open to other, complementary experimentation, as long as it is published. Grant Taylor, do not let it go to your head, but I agree with most of what you write in Gentoo User. 6. (2) Rpi4 (8 gig) systems and extras are 2-3 hundred dollars. So it's total less than $900 USD dollars. NOT a bid deal for my little corp. Actually, if I get what I need, then it's the most inexpensive && robust way for my little corp to get exactly what I need. My own small email servers and dns resolvers supporting those email services. Let's us start compiling up the codes, keep it simple (for now) and implement them with gentoo-users as the testers of the email services. These discussions should be continued to everyone's benefit. However there are way more than (3) folks on these threads who are most capable to do this community prototyping. I think the idea of using VPSs or VMs means that a lot more people can participate using the same funding. I'm not funding somebody else's idea. I'm funding what *I* want, open to input. With this effort others benefit from the project. The ultimate goals is for hundreds of email services to be setup, gentoo centric. If WE do not act and get hundreds of these deployed, email, as we know it via RFCS and other standards may just disappear, or be relegated to the far reaches of the Internet.� What I have read, is standards based email services, particularly by small organizations, are under extreme pressure by large corporations to be marginalized out of existence. I think I disagree with that. OK, great. FUND what you want. Run things as you see fit Many of the big email operators are enforcing higher and higher standards.� But the standards /are/ /open/ and /can/ /be/ /implemented/ /by/ /anyone/ who wants to do so. Show me a concise, easy to follow set of codes and docs, and I'll just build (2) R.P.4 servers and share my docs 100%. Forget the fact, for now, that all static IPs Frontier has, are blocked by this same group of higher and higher standards. Really, I'm kinda shocked NeddySeagoon, or others have not already fixed this, via 100% gentoo codes, complete with ample documentation. https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Raspberry_Pi4_64_Bit_Install Just add the email, dns, ngnix, security setup codes to this doc? I have been researching and reading, for over (3) weeks and have yet been able to formulate a pathway to get a mail server up. Granted the industry black-ballin
Re: [gentoo-user] tips on running a mail server in a cheap vps provider run but not-so-trusty admins?
ce publically, or send me private email as to your concerns. Public is best, but, I understand the needs for private communications sometimes. So yea, I'll personally finaces, at least 6 months of (3) projects. I'll take all input, but will make my (funding) decision, in a focus, quick strategy. James Horton, pe
Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo Council vs Umbrella Corp ?
On 8/28/20 2:10 PM, james wrote: On 8/28/20 1:20 PM, Dale wrote: Jack wrote: On 8/28/20 12:33 PM, james wrote: On 8/27/20 10:11 PM, Dale wrote: james wrote: Gentoo, https://blogs.gentoo.org/mgorny/2020/08/25/is-an-umbrella-organization-a-good-choice-for-gentoo/ Surely some of the business/legal savvy folks want to "chime in" on Sir Gorny's proposal? I just read this on 'hacker news' It just sounds like mostly a lack of fund raising to operate? James There's several issues that lead to this.� For ages, the financial books were not kept up to date.� From what I recall, some paperwork was lost which made it difficult to impossible to do the needed IRS filings.� Things on that part seemed to snowball from there.� In the past few years or so, that has been dealt with and from what I've read, it is now up to date and they are trying to get back in good standing with the IRS and other Govt entities.� I think I read where most of the hard work as already been done, just needs time to kick in.� It isn't hard to get into that situation, it just takes one year with a mistake to trigger bad things.� It takes a lot of work to get it cleared up tho.� All of us should be grateful to the ones who put in the hard work to get that taken care of.� I'm sure it took a lot of effort and time to get that done.� I'm sure it was boring as heck to do as well.� Some of us would likely have no hair left. Another issue, not many want to run the foundation.� The devs mostly want to write code.� They aren't to much interested in running the foundation part of it.� A few do because it is needed and they do their best, some even go far beyond that, but they really want to write code.� That's what developers came to Gentoo for after all. Since there is two different bodies that run Gentoo in different ways, it further reduces the number of people wanting to do the job.� The foundation part is from my understanding, bureaucratic paperwork.� Who wants to do that for free?� There's not many. Basically, if you run for a position on the foundation, it's good odds you get it because usually just enough run to fill the open spots.� I often wonder, do they draw straws to pick people to run just so things keep chugging along??� LOL Then there is the costs.� It costs to deal with all the paperwork and filings.� There's state filings as well as federal.� Missing either of those can cause trouble for the other and also get expensive and time consuming to correct.� Again, very few want to deal with it.� The few that do likely do it because Gentoo needs it not because they are jumping up and down wanting to do it.� It's what keeps Gentoo going. It's cheaper to join some other group like has been talked about for years and let them take a percentage of the money and them as professionals handle all that nasty paperwork and filings. My personal opinion.� I'm still leaning to keep Gentoo as it is but I'm not the one doing all the boring work either.� My concern, Gentoo joins some group and it ends badly for Gentoo.� Maybe they screw up something and that puts Gentoo and maybe everyone else in the group in jeopardy with govt entities or lawsuits.� On the other hand, if Gentoo doesn't have the right people, they could do the same thing to themselves.� The people who do run for those seats do try their best even if something goes wrong.� Thing is, it doesn't take much to run afoul of govt entities or trigger a lawsuit. Gentoo has been lucky in that regard.� There is no easy answer to this.� Either way has advantages.� Same can be said for disadvantages as well. I'm sure there is more that isn't known to the public and I'm sure some things are escaping my mind at the moment.� Either way, whatever keeps Gentoo going and successful, that is what needs to be done.� Since I don't have a crystal ball, I'm not sure which is best long term. Now someone add more to this.� ;-) Dale :-)� :-) The referenced article says this: "Right now we�re already relying on a CPA to handle our filings. For a commercial company (we are one now), the cost is $1500 a year." Seems way too high. I pay $500/yr for a C corp here in Florida; a firm that that is "outstanding" with the US IRS. "If we wanted to go for proper non-profit, the estimated cost is between $2000 and $3000 a year." Still seems way to high. With Gentoo, we can use Any state, so why not move the home to a low cost state? Many corps use Delaware, just for that reason. I think most of those listed numbers are not just the official filing fees, but include paying a CPA to do the filings.� While certified CPA is not required to do any of those filings, I suspect it is now that way because historically, the volunteer who was supposed to do it didn't.� Paying someone does seem excessively e
Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo Council vs Umbrella Corp ?
On 8/28/20 1:20 PM, Dale wrote: Jack wrote: On 8/28/20 12:33 PM, james wrote: On 8/27/20 10:11 PM, Dale wrote: james wrote: Gentoo, https://blogs.gentoo.org/mgorny/2020/08/25/is-an-umbrella-organization-a-good-choice-for-gentoo/ Surely some of the business/legal savvy folks want to "chime in" on Sir Gorny's proposal? I just read this on 'hacker news' It just sounds like mostly a lack of fund raising to operate? James There's several issues that lead to this.� For ages, the financial books were not kept up to date.� From what I recall, some paperwork was lost which made it difficult to impossible to do the needed IRS filings.� Things on that part seemed to snowball from there.� In the past few years or so, that has been dealt with and from what I've read, it is now up to date and they are trying to get back in good standing with the IRS and other Govt entities.� I think I read where most of the hard work as already been done, just needs time to kick in.� It isn't hard to get into that situation, it just takes one year with a mistake to trigger bad things.� It takes a lot of work to get it cleared up tho.� All of us should be grateful to the ones who put in the hard work to get that taken care of.� I'm sure it took a lot of effort and time to get that done.� I'm sure it was boring as heck to do as well.� Some of us would likely have no hair left. Another issue, not many want to run the foundation.� The devs mostly want to write code.� They aren't to much interested in running the foundation part of it.� A few do because it is needed and they do their best, some even go far beyond that, but they really want to write code.� That's what developers came to Gentoo for after all. Since there is two different bodies that run Gentoo in different ways, it further reduces the number of people wanting to do the job.� The foundation part is from my understanding, bureaucratic paperwork.� Who wants to do that for free?� There's not many. Basically, if you run for a position on the foundation, it's good odds you get it because usually just enough run to fill the open spots.� I often wonder, do they draw straws to pick people to run just so things keep chugging along??� LOL Then there is the costs.� It costs to deal with all the paperwork and filings.� There's state filings as well as federal.� Missing either of those can cause trouble for the other and also get expensive and time consuming to correct.� Again, very few want to deal with it.� The few that do likely do it because Gentoo needs it not because they are jumping up and down wanting to do it.� It's what keeps Gentoo going. It's cheaper to join some other group like has been talked about for years and let them take a percentage of the money and them as professionals handle all that nasty paperwork and filings. My personal opinion.� I'm still leaning to keep Gentoo as it is but I'm not the one doing all the boring work either.� My concern, Gentoo joins some group and it ends badly for Gentoo.� Maybe they screw up something and that puts Gentoo and maybe everyone else in the group in jeopardy with govt entities or lawsuits.� On the other hand, if Gentoo doesn't have the right people, they could do the same thing to themselves.� The people who do run for those seats do try their best even if something goes wrong.� Thing is, it doesn't take much to run afoul of govt entities or trigger a lawsuit. Gentoo has been lucky in that regard.� There is no easy answer to this.� Either way has advantages.� Same can be said for disadvantages as well. I'm sure there is more that isn't known to the public and I'm sure some things are escaping my mind at the moment.� Either way, whatever keeps Gentoo going and successful, that is what needs to be done.� Since I don't have a crystal ball, I'm not sure which is best long term. Now someone add more to this.� ;-) Dale :-)� :-) The referenced article says this: "Right now we�re already relying on a CPA to handle our filings. For a commercial company (we are one now), the cost is $1500 a year." Seems way too high. I pay $500/yr for a C corp here in Florida; a firm that that is "outstanding" with the US IRS. "If we wanted to go for proper non-profit, the estimated cost is between $2000 and $3000 a year." Still seems way to high. With Gentoo, we can use Any state, so why not move the home to a low cost state? Many corps use Delaware, just for that reason. I think most of those listed numbers are not just the official filing fees, but include paying a CPA to do the filings.� While certified CPA is not required to do any of those filings, I suspect it is now that way because historically, the volunteer who was supposed to do it didn't.� Paying someone does seem excessively expensive, but you know it will g
Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo Council vs Umbrella Corp ?
On 8/27/20 10:11 PM, Dale wrote: james wrote: Gentoo, https://blogs.gentoo.org/mgorny/2020/08/25/is-an-umbrella-organization-a-good-choice-for-gentoo/ Surely some of the business/legal savvy folks want to "chime in" on Sir Gorny's proposal? I just read this on 'hacker news' It just sounds like mostly a lack of fund raising to operate? James There's several issues that lead to this.� For ages, the financial books were not kept up to date.� From what I recall, some paperwork was lost which made it difficult to impossible to do the needed IRS filings. Things on that part seemed to snowball from there.� In the past few years or so, that has been dealt with and from what I've read, it is now up to date and they are trying to get back in good standing with the IRS and other Govt entities.� I think I read where most of the hard work as already been done, just needs time to kick in.� It isn't hard to get into that situation, it just takes one year with a mistake to trigger bad things.� It takes a lot of work to get it cleared up tho.� All of us should be grateful to the ones who put in the hard work to get that taken care of.� I'm sure it took a lot of effort and time to get that done.� I'm sure it was boring as heck to do as well.� Some of us would likely have no hair left. Another issue, not many want to run the foundation.� The devs mostly want to write code.� They aren't to much interested in running the foundation part of it.� A few do because it is needed and they do their best, some even go far beyond that, but they really want to write code. That's what developers came to Gentoo for after all. Since there is two different bodies that run Gentoo in different ways, it further reduces the number of people wanting to do the job.� The foundation part is from my understanding, bureaucratic paperwork.� Who wants to do that for free?� There's not many. Basically, if you run for a position on the foundation, it's good odds you get it because usually just enough run to fill the open spots.� I often wonder, do they draw straws to pick people to run just so things keep chugging along??� LOL Then there is the costs.� It costs to deal with all the paperwork and filings.� There's state filings as well as federal.� Missing either of those can cause trouble for the other and also get expensive and time consuming to correct.� Again, very few want to deal with it.� The few that do likely do it because Gentoo needs it not because they are jumping up and down wanting to do it.� It's what keeps Gentoo going. It's cheaper to join some other group like has been talked about for years and let them take a percentage of the money and them as professionals handle all that nasty paperwork and filings. My personal opinion.� I'm still leaning to keep Gentoo as it is but I'm not the one doing all the boring work either.� My concern, Gentoo joins some group and it ends badly for Gentoo.� Maybe they screw up something and that puts Gentoo and maybe everyone else in the group in jeopardy with govt entities or lawsuits.� On the other hand, if Gentoo doesn't have the right people, they could do the same thing to themselves.� The people who do run for those seats do try their best even if something goes wrong.� Thing is, it doesn't take much to run afoul of govt entities or trigger a lawsuit. Gentoo has been lucky in that regard. There is no easy answer to this.� Either way has advantages.� Same can be said for disadvantages as well. I'm sure there is more that isn't known to the public and I'm sure some things are escaping my mind at the moment.� Either way, whatever keeps Gentoo going and successful, that is what needs to be done.� Since I don't have a crystal ball, I'm not sure which is best long term. Now someone add more to this.� ;-) Dale :-)� :-) The referenced article says this: "Right now we�re already relying on a CPA to handle our filings. For a commercial company (we are one now), the cost is $1500 a year." Seems way too high. I pay $500/yr for a C corp here in Florida; a firm that that is "outstanding" with the US IRS. "If we wanted to go for proper non-profit, the estimated cost is between $2000 and $3000 a year." Still seems way to high. With Gentoo, we can use Any state, so why not move the home to a low cost state? Many corps use Delaware, just for that reason. "If we were to pass full accounting to an external company, the rough estimate I�ve been given by Trustees is $2400. So once our volunteer bookkeeper retires, we�re talking of around $4000 + larger taxes for a corporation, or $4500 to $5500 + very little taxes for a non-profit." Again, these numbers are WAY TOO HIGH. Shop around! Many states are way less expensive. Ok so ask why don't I volunteer? I've been using gentoo, since 20
[gentoo-user] Gentoo Council vs Umbrella Corp ?
Gentoo, https://blogs.gentoo.org/mgorny/2020/08/25/is-an-umbrella-organization-a-good-choice-for-gentoo/ Surely some of the business/legal savvy folks want to "chime in" on Sir Gorny's proposal? I just read this on 'hacker news' It just sounds like mostly a lack of fund raising to operate? James
Re: [gentoo-user] new mail protocol rfc (was Re: tips on running a mail server in a cheap vps provider run but not-so-trusty admins?)
On 8/26/20 1:57 PM, Ashley Dixon wrote: On Wed, Aug 26, 2020 at 05:19:16PM +, Caveman Al Toraboran wrote: hi. i request comments on this new mail protocol which i plan to implement some day if things turn out well. here is its zeroth draft: https://github.com/al-caveman/hillarymail I like what I see, so far. Interesting proposal. A few non-technical questions: Why the name "HillaryMail", and why does the logo contain a picture of Margaret Thatcher? ;-) More seriously, do you intend to write a reference implementation, or submit this as a more formal R.F.C. in the event of it attracting more attention? Nice idea. I suggest the R.P.4 so it can stay up 24/365. Furthermore, accusing every SMTP/POP/IMAP user to be an "idiot" may not be the best way of attaining support; I must admit, I have never seen that in an initial protocol proposal. I'll wear that moniker, as a follower and implementor and testor. I'm also slightly confused regarding the "goals" section. By "easy to install/use", do you mean "easy" for the people implementing the protocol, or the people making use of said implementations? "Traditional" SMTP mail clients have always been pretty straight-forward for me, although the difficulty involved in _implementing_ an M.T.A. is another story. I find this point rather equivocal. Whatever grant offers, surely I'll at least attempt to implement. email services are getting hammered, from a traditional functional perspective. I do not like what the big corps are doing and just want a standards complint , reasonable secure solution. Is there something better for me to follow than this offering from grant ? From the private emails I have received, over the last month or so, there is quite and interest in running your own (secure?) DNS and email services Perhaps there is a solution for the R.P.4 for other linux distros I have not found, yet? If so, I'd still want a gentoo centric solution. hth, James
Re: [gentoo-user] Thunderbird 78
On 8/20/20 8:19 PM, Jack wrote: On 2020.08.20 18:42, james wrote: On 8/20/20 1:20 PM, Neil Bothwick wrote: On Thu, 20 Aug 2020 13:06:39 -0400, james wrote: As you do document all you are doing, and the information you gather, I see several interrelated but distinct areas.� hardware, software (several possibilities for each of several tasks,) network provisioning, and network configuration.� I'd prefer a better term for that last one - but I mean things like assuring your IP address doesn't end up (or start out) in a blacklisted block for any smtp attempts.� In my case, it's mostly that one (plus spam filtering) which gives me hesitation to attempt rolling my own. Black listing seems a valid issue. Here: Down the list is blacklisting. For me it is simple; if Blacklisting occurs, based on the IP addresses I get from Frontier, I'll just ask for different ones and cancel the bad (blacklisted) IPs. I'm telling Frontier up front, that is the reason for the IPs (to run email services) and my "commercial, extra cost" service with them. Power of the checkbook. Truthfully, I *should* be able to ferret out IP addresses that are blacklisted, right? This issue seems to now be the only impediment to continuing this email server(s) of static ip address(es). Frontier is in this document: https://www.ipvoid.com/ip-blacklist-check/ So I can just forward this list and any other tools that identify 'black listed IPs' to my sales contacts at Frontier, Verizon, Spectrum or any other ISP, willing to sell to me bandwidth, bonded with static IP addresses, right? James
Re: [gentoo-user] Thunderbird 78
On 8/20/20 8:19 PM, Jack wrote: On 2020.08.20 18:42, james wrote: On 8/20/20 1:20 PM, Neil Bothwick wrote: On Thu, 20 Aug 2020 13:06:39 -0400, james wrote: Look at what I just received: From "Dear User Your Verizon✔ Version is outdated and has expired in the database as you know we are moving our Email Platform to AOl Mail. Failure to Upgrade to the newest Verizon✔ AOL Version 12.9 will result in inefficient usage of mailbox and might result to shutdown UPDATE HERE to Visit your login page Log-in to restore. Thanks Verizon✔ My Account Verizon✔ © 2020 All Right reserved " That looks like a phishing mail to me. OK. How do I verify or ferret out this to know. Ferret out what? Thunderbird on gentoo is vulnerable? Vulnerable to what? Any email client is subject to receiving SPAM and phishing attempts. Some email clients do have some amount of filtering included, and there are plenty of addons available. I used one of the Bayesian based ones for a while (can't remember the name) and finally gave up due to the difficulty of integrating with Balsa's pop3 fetching. As I remember, it would have been easier to integrate with a mail server than with the client. I've charted my own pathway, via R.P.4 boards and static IP addresses. That way, I can add whatever I want, test, and just run very few codes on those arm8 boards Sure, this has been on my todo list, as I prepare to live/work out of a RV. Eventually, I'll add a satellite link, when all else fails, without large attached files. I'm keeping the home, where the hub/static-IPs will connect, but I can be home or mobile, controlling my own email servers. I've just groan very tired of someone else managing and making decisions on MY email. I've received too many private emails from folks, with the same sentiment. If what I do is well documented, then a plethora of folks can have custom setups, in a well documented fashion. Mine is the hard case with the eventual address of daily mobility, cellular and satellite comms. Migration to R.P.4 has been on my goals list too, for a while. MY goal, via gentoo, is to fix and document this once and for ALL. Your expertise and the rest of the band of Gentoo folks are deeply appreciated in this effort. This action has been brewing for a few years. Email is critical for me, and I do not want vendors dictating its future for me. Enough is Enough. As you do document all you are doing, and the information you gather, I see several interrelated but distinct areas. hardware, software (several possibilities for each of several tasks,) network provisioning, and network configuration. I'd prefer a better term for that last one - but I mean things like assuring your IP address doesn't end up (or start out) in a blacklisted block for any smtp attempts. In my case, it's mostly that one (plus spam filtering) which gives me hesitation to attempt rolling my own. So can/how to I research if the IPv6 addresses offered have been blacklisted ? Same question, should I be able to get (2) IPv4 address. So if I request they are out of different blocks of IPv4, is that better? Just (2) single IP addresses from different blocks? Nest week I start that conversation with carriers. With what I have seen and heard, you'd think carriers, the folks with fiber in the ground, would be happy for a guy like me build a robust and secure email server services system. After all, it is their "ineptness" of employee selection that causes them such pains to run an email system. Surely punting to AOL and such, brings them little or no revenue (speculation on my part). Any insight to these venues, would help me negotiate the resources I need. Surely, this is just for me and a few friends. But, what I read and what other technical friends tell me, is this is an eruption waiting to happen. For many long time unix/bsd/linux folks email is a most critical tool for daily endeavors. The amount of code-snippets alone, in mine, is a treasure trove. James James Jack So
Re: [gentoo-user] Thunderbird 78
On 8/20/20 1:10 PM, Jack wrote: On 8/20/20 1:06 PM, james wrote: On 8/19/20 6:16 PM, Neil Bothwick wrote: On Wed, 19 Aug 2020 14:37:30 -0400, james wrote: It was release mid July: https://blog.thunderbird.net/2020/07/whats-new-in-thunderbird-78/ Any idea where the first 'beta' version can be grabbed, as an ebuild? https://bugs.gentoo.org/733062 "Mozilla Thunderbird 78.0 is now available. However, we don't plan to bump until 78.2 release because of known problems and upstream's advice not to upgrade yet. Thunderbird 78.2 is scheduled for end of August 2020." It's on my schedule. Thanks. Look at what I just received: From Is that really the admin address for your Verizon email? "Dear User Your Verizon✔ Version is outdated and has expired in the database as you know we are moving our Email Platform to AOl Mail. Failure to Upgrade to the newest Verizon✔ AOL Version 12.9 will result in inefficient usage of mailbox and might result to shutdown The address and this wording really sound to me much more like phishing than a real notice from Verizon. UPDATE HERE to Visit your login page Log-in to restore. Is that link really to the Verizon login, or a phishing look-alike? Actual email. Verizon is shutting it down. Frontier never offered email services. Verified by Frontier phone support. Those are facts. The 'phishing' email I posted, sure that's most likely a hack attempt. I never follow such links and would first verify by 'out of band' verication, like a contact to a verizon security personel. I have plenty of those and routinely turn down unsolicited jobs offers, directly from Verizon. Trust me, they are ending traditional email services. Sorry for conflating that phish diatribe with real Verizon email services issues. I process too many emails each day I've heard from many sources they *all* intend to shut down email services. IMHO time for folks to run their own email servers, ymmv. Besides, I have at least a billion reasons to do this... We're all stuck with the whims of the carriers we have physical access too. Here in Florida, they *all suck*, coming from a computer science point of view. You cannot even rally the academics here in Florida, as they are all either stupid, ignorant or both. Calif and Tex. both have far greater Academics that can at least comprehend the state of our deteriorating internet rights. Here is a historical ref: https://powersolution.com/verizon-net-shutting-down-email-avoid-direct-migration-to-gmail/ I get all kinds of timeout errors the last few months with pop3 on Verizon. Since 2017 they have been strongly encouraging migrations to anything but normal email services. They seem determined to shut down pop3 first. https://www.gmass.co/blog/verizon-email-settings/ Besides running my own email servers, dns and other related software, will prevent this sort of behavior and be carrier independent. For now, sure I'm going to use Frontier IP address, on a rented basis. In time, I'.. use IPv6 addresses. Thanks Verizon✔ My Account Verizon✔ © 2020 All Right reserved " We I guess I go into overdrive now to get email up. Posting to wider gentoo-user issues might be tuff. I do have this email: dtf...@protonmail.com but it's the limited, free version, atm. Publish or priavte emails on getting those 2 R.Pi.4 boards up and running, asap, gentoo is the first step. NOW this is all a priority, for me.
Re: [gentoo-user] Thunderbird 78
On 8/20/20 1:20 PM, Neil Bothwick wrote: On Thu, 20 Aug 2020 13:06:39 -0400, james wrote: Look at what I just received: From "Dear User Your Verizon✔ Version is outdated and has expired in the database as you know we are moving our Email Platform to AOl Mail. Failure to Upgrade to the newest Verizon✔ AOL Version 12.9 will result in inefficient usage of mailbox and might result to shutdown UPDATE HERE to Visit your login page Log-in to restore. Thanks Verizon✔ My Account Verizon✔ © 2020 All Right reserved " That looks like a phishing mail to me. OK. How do I verify or ferret out this to know. Thunderbird on gentoo is vulnerable? I've charted my own pathway, via R.P.4 boards and static IP addresses. That way, I can add whatever I want, test, and just run very few codes on those arm8 boards Sure, this has been on my todo list, as I prepare to live/work out of a RV. Eventually, I'll add a satellite link, when all else fails, without large attached files. I'm keeping the home, where the hub/static-IPs will connect, but I can be home or mobile, controlling my own email servers. I've just groan very tired of someone else managing and making decisions on MY email. I've received too many private emails from folks, with the same sentiment. If what I do is well documented, then a plethora of folks can have custom setups, in a well documented fashion. Mine is the hard case with the eventual address of daily mobility, cellular and satellite comms. Migration to R.P.4 has been on my goals list too, for a while. MY goal, via gentoo, is to fix and document this once and for ALL. Your expertise and the rest of the band of Gentoo folks are deeply appreciated in this effort. This action has been brewing for a few years. Email is critical for me, and I do not want vendors dictating its future for me. Enough is Enough. James
Re: [gentoo-user] Thunderbird 78
On 8/20/20 1:16 PM, Jack wrote: On 8/20/20 12:54 PM, james wrote: On 8/20/20 10:52 AM, Matt Connell (Gmail) wrote: On Thu, 2020-08-20 at 09:58 -0400, james wrote: Thanks. What are your, or anyone's, suggestion for other mail client software ? Limiting my suggestions to desktop software, since this is still the Gentoo mailing list after all. If your needs are basic, Claws is an outstanding piece of software. If you're more inclined to use a terminal-based application, Mutt or NeoMutt are both popular. Personally I went with Evolution, as my needs (CalDAV, CardDAV, Exchange Web Services) exceed what Claws provides. From what I read, there is much enthusiasm� for Claws/Evolution. Sadly, this direct comparison, seems out of date and does not include TB-78, but it is the most comprehensive comparison I have found. A direct comparison, that is up to date, would be very cool, imho: https://appmus.com/vs/mozilla-thunderbird-vs-evolution and https://www.techradar.com/best/best-email-clients#best-free-email-clients This list is pretty unimpressive.� Most of their "free" offers aren't. Their description of Gmail doesn't even mention free use, that I can see.� Then they include Slack - and the main negative is "no email."� In addition, especially for gmail, it's not really an email "client,"� it's an email service with web interface.� I certainly don't call that an email client.� Am I just too old? No, your not old. You are "wiser" and thanks for participating. Yes, I'm in a bit of panic mode; as I have not run a mail system, since sendmail more than (2) decades ago (Thunderbird, spike and slack). Others ? I've been using Balsa for years.� It was originally a gnome based app, but I use it under KDE/Plasma/openrc.� It can handle mbox, maildir, and several other storage types.� smtp, pop3, and imap. gnupg.� It defaults to showing the plain text version, but can display HTML, with download of images only on request.� The development team is small, but very responsive. I just look at the balsa "screenshots". I do like what I see there, so it is now on the list, thanks for that nomination. What flags for the balsa software do you set? What I initially intend to do is create some extra accounts via a gentoo workstation, and then use them to test a few email codes, just like balsa, and maybe run a different email server on each of the (2) R.Pi.4 systems. Some had mentioned getting a third resolvers set up on a different IP address and I think that is also a good idea. Any suggestions, being remotely based, with a bonded IP address is of interest to me too, so there would be (3) dns primary resolvers. Leaving up the R.Pi.4 boards, should be easy on the power bill, and robust and resilient to attacks and such. I'm not trying to be a pain. But since I've decided to get back into the mail services game, I might as well go "all the way" and robustly support several open-source client software systems, including cell phones. If as an email server, you support smtp, pop3, and imap, what reasonable clients would not work?� You don't mention providing a webmail interface, but depending on your intended users, that may not matter at all. yes I intend to support web based mail systems, after the basic server is installed and the dns primary resolvers are up and basic functionality is working. Here is a list of phone tested with a Android based gentoo stage3 tarball: https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Android/Devices just released in july. Project Android of Gentoo Prefix on Android devices by using a precompiled stage3 tarball https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Project:Android/tarball Now I just need to find a simple and straightforward way to install gentoo on the R.Pi.4 servers. From this list: https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Embedded_systems/ARM_hardware_list I see (2) choices to follow: Hfern; ARMv8-A Broadcom BCM2711, Cortex-A72 (ARMv8) 64-bit SoC @ 1.5GHz 8GB@LPDDR4 or ARMv8-A Broadcom BCM2711, Cortex-A72 (ARMv8) 64-bit SoC @ 1.5GHz Or another that did not make the list? Any recommendations or more detailed installation docs, so I can get these boards up? I guess I should setup a web page, where the best info from these gentoo-user threads is explicitly listed, scored and implemented for the good of the great gentoo community. Sure, I wish there was someone "smarter" to do this, but I do have the resources and self funding to do it myself. Open source centric and establish via Gentoo. Some folks are sending me information that is sensitive, privately. That is OK, but as much as possible, I want this effort to be refined and publically published, so WE, the gentoo community, light a pathway to keep email centric solutions, open, public and robust. I have little (especially long term) trust that the greater forces intend to keep email et. al. free and open and robustly supported. TIA, James
Re: [gentoo-user] Thunderbird 78
On 8/19/20 6:16 PM, Neil Bothwick wrote: On Wed, 19 Aug 2020 14:37:30 -0400, james wrote: It was release mid July: https://blog.thunderbird.net/2020/07/whats-new-in-thunderbird-78/ Any idea where the first 'beta' version can be grabbed, as an ebuild? https://bugs.gentoo.org/733062 "Mozilla Thunderbird 78.0 is now available. However, we don't plan to bump until 78.2 release because of known problems and upstream's advice not to upgrade yet. Thunderbird 78.2 is scheduled for end of August 2020." It's on my schedule. Thanks. Look at what I just received: From "Dear User Your Verizon✔ Version is outdated and has expired in the database as you know we are moving our Email Platform to AOl Mail. Failure to Upgrade to the newest Verizon✔ AOL Version 12.9 will result in inefficient usage of mailbox and might result to shutdown UPDATE HERE to Visit your login page Log-in to restore. Thanks Verizon✔ My Account Verizon✔ © 2020 All Right reserved " We I guess I go into overdrive now to get email up. Posting to wider gentoo-user issues might be tuff. I do have this email: dtf...@protonmail.com but it's the limited, free version, atm. Publish or priavte emails on getting those 2 R.Pi.4 boards up and running, asap, gentoo is the first step. NOW this is all a priority, for me.
Re: [gentoo-user] Thunderbird 78
On 8/20/20 10:52 AM, Matt Connell (Gmail) wrote: On Thu, 2020-08-20 at 09:58 -0400, james wrote: Thanks. What are your, or anyone's, suggestion for other mail client software ? Limiting my suggestions to desktop software, since this is still the Gentoo mailing list after all. If your needs are basic, Claws is an outstanding piece of software. If you're more inclined to use a terminal-based application, Mutt or NeoMutt are both popular. Personally I went with Evolution, as my needs (CalDAV, CardDAV, Exchange Web Services) exceed what Claws provides. From what I read, there is much enthusiasm for Claws/Evolution. Sadly, this direct comparison, seems out of date and does not include TB-78, but it is the most comprehensive comparison I have found. A direct comparison, that is up to date, would be very cool, imho: https://appmus.com/vs/mozilla-thunderbird-vs-evolution and https://www.techradar.com/best/best-email-clients#best-free-email-clients (Thunderbird, spike and slack). Others ? I'm not trying to be a pain. But since I've decided to get back into the mail services game, I might as well go "all the way" and robustly support several open-source client software systems, including cell phones. I guess I should setup a web page, where the best info from these gentoo-user threads is explicitly listed, scored and implemented for the good of the great gentoo community. Sure, I wish there was someone "smarter" to do this, but I do have the resources and self funding to do it myself. Open source centric and establish via Gentoo. Some folks are sending me information that is sensitive, privately. That is OK, but as much as possible, I want this effort to be refined and publically published, so WE, the gentoo community, light a pathway to keep email centric solutions, open, public and robust. I have little (especially long term) trust that the greater forces intend to keep email et. al. free and open and robustly supported. TIA, James
Re: [gentoo-user] Thunderbird 78
On 8/19/20 10:01 PM, Matt Connell (Gmail) wrote: On Wed, 2020-08-19 at 17:52 -0400, james wrote: If you like, elaboration is appreciated. In no particular order: - MailExtensions change would have broken some of the addons I use to fix deficiencies in the feature set - The change to integrated PGP, rather than an addon, means Linux users have to maintain their configuration twice, since T-Bird can no longer use the native gpg setup - Recurring tasks aren't handled properly for CalDAV setups (though this could be an addon's fault, admittedly) - General disillusionment with Mozilla software (debatable and personal) Thanks. What are your, or anyone's, suggestion for other mail client software ? Yes, I do intend to try to robustly support secure access by linux centric cell phones and some mainstream cellphones. There is quite a movement of codes to run on top of cell phones, where the owner is 100% incharge of the codes installed on cell phones. However 5G et. al. does give the carriers excuses not to support those efforts. Here in the US, T-mobile does seem to be leading the charge to let folks control 100% of codes installed or running on the cell phone. That is a deep subject for another thread. THANKS! to all respondents and the info you have provided. James
Re: [gentoo-user] Thunderbird 78
On 8/19/20 6:20 PM, Neil Bothwick wrote: On Wed, 19 Aug 2020 14:37:30 -0400, james wrote: It was release mid July: https://blog.thunderbird.net/2020/07/whats-new-in-thunderbird-78/ Any idea where the first 'beta' version can be grabbed, as an ebuild? https://bugs.gentoo.org/733062 "Mozilla Thunderbird 78.0 is now available. However, we don't plan to bump until 78.2 release because of known problems and upstream's advice not to upgrade yet. Thunderbird 78.2 is scheduled for end of August 2020." Thanks everyone for responding; thunderbird and all it's functions has served my needs well, for decades. We'll see about TB 78.x. Any suggestions for other software that has such a rich and robust set of features, and other strong points, would be appreciated too. I sure hope that TB tightens up security too. Sadly, I do not have much to hide nor super special information.But at least the pretense of security with one's own mail services, is a step in the right direction from Verizon's terminal email services. I like pop3 but I am open to additional protocols, as long as I can easily revert back to pop3. From some of my previous threads, I'm striving to get (2) R.Pi.4 boards running and secured, with static IPs. So then to build (2) robust systems (gentoo) to run a mail server, my own DNS authenticating (primary) resolvers and robustly support pop3 & imap and the associated software packages. Thunderbird is my choice to enjoy email on the other end of those R.Pi.4 mail services. Other friends no doubt will use other email client, including some that run on W10. TB is what I use currently with verizon's failing email services. I have never used email services on the verizon (stack) controlled Samsung phones, due to the large number un-fixable security problems. Eventually serving up emails to linux stack phones, and other secured cell phones would be great, but not in the initial roll out. Thanks again for the inputs. James
[gentoo-user] Thunderbird 78
Fellow Thunderbird aficionados: It was release mid July: https://blog.thunderbird.net/2020/07/whats-new-in-thunderbird-78/ Any idea where the first 'beta' version can be grabbed, as an ebuild? James
Re: [gentoo-user] Thunderbird 78
On 8/19/20 4:22 PM, Matt Connell (Gmail) wrote: On Wed, 2020-08-19 at 15:41 -0400, Aisha Tammy wrote: (there are A LOT of changes) At the risk of derailing the thread, I moved to using Evolution because of the T-Bird v78 changes. If you like, elaboration is appreciated. James
Re: [gentoo-user] tips on running a mail server in a cheap vps provider run but not-so-trusty admins?
rce, we simply use public-private keys ... Because that has worked out so well and with so few problems in the past 25 years. ... to sign messages. Even /more/ unlikely to be ubiquitously adopted. basically, our public keys become our user identifiers. What?! Now you are taking away the human friendly name in addition to the domain name. People are going to be lined up to hang you. this will also solve the problem of the case when an onion address changes. I don't think so. i call this protocol mailball for the purpose of making speech this mail thread a bit easier.� of course, we can pick better names, and refine the mechanics. There are a LOT of mechanics that need to be defined before they can even be refined. for people who use the deprecated smtp protocol, yes, it will be "don't spam us, we'll spam you". I think you'll find that your mail(fire)ball will be excommunicated form the rest of the SMTP speaking Internet and never gain enough traction, much less take over and become the norm. however, that's not our fault.� they are using a deprecated protocol, and we are just kind enough to allow them an opportunity to talk to us over the superior mailball protocol. Oh, how graciously thoughtful of yo� See my previous statement. basically, they are using deprecated identifiers (email ids) instead of public keys, and we're kind enough to give them a temporary api so that we confirm their emails. LOL on the other hand, people who use mailball will not have this problem. why?� because ids are public keys anyway, and their messages are signed by their private keys (the usual drill, won't insult your intelligence). So, how will mail(fire)ball prevent me from creating as many key pairs as I want and sending you a message from each and every one of them? How does this do anything to prevent spam or viruses? How well does your security hold up when, not if, someone creates a gateway to make it trivial to send SMTP based email into mail(fire)ball? �It will happen just after mail(fire)ball gets just enough traction that people scratch the surface to look at it.� That is if it doesn't happen as part of getting enough people Interested.� Or even your own ""API that you are graciously providing. I find all of this *fascinating*. So I have threads from 7/28 and others that attempt to discover the (gentoo) packages necessary to run my own email services. I have (2) R.Pi4 (8Gram) and (2) more on order to build out complete mail/DNS/security for a small/moderate number of folks to use. Just me to start/test/debug. I'd like to build out Grant(Taylor) and Ashley's solution for further learning and testing, on Rpi4 based gentoo systems. robust security and reasonable straightforward (gentoo) admin, is my goal. Can either or both of you concisely list what I'd need (the ebuild list) to implement a basic, but complete, secure email system, as delineated in your recent posts? I'd be willing to document both the build and running tests, for the greater good of the gentoo community. If there is interests in the tests and results. Remember, I started this some months ago, cause Frontier does not even offer basic email services. I hate all thing cloud (deep desire to be 100% independent of the cloud) and want the ability to remotely retrieve mails and send emails through *my email systems*. I am certainly not alone, as some have sent me private email, with similar desires. The big corporations are trying to destroy and remove standards based email from the internet. For me, it is my most useful, important and most desired feature of the internet. I'm ordering up (6) static IPs from Frontier. At some point, I'll put another primary bandwidth provider under this, with hopefully the ability to "bond the pipes" via BGP4 or another capable protocol. Keeping the list of codes to a minimum, is appreciated, at least until I get the (2) boards up and running. Previously, IPv6 address mapped to these boards was suggested. I do not see any reason why both ipv4 and ipv6 cannot be mapped (routed if you like) to these R.pi.4 boards simultaneously or separately, based on the test vectors under developmental/proof study? Sorry for "jumping" this wonderful 'diatribe' but if I post directly, via Verizon, to gentoo-user, it mostly bounces (another problem). Verizon is dumping their email services too: https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Complete_Virtual_Mail_Server https://www.howtoforge.com/perfect_server_gentoo_2007.0 https://www.androidpolice.com/2020/08/15/this-smartphone-has-physical-kill-switches-for-its-cameras-microphone-data-bluetooth-and-wi-fi/ motivated and curious, James
[gentoo-user] Blockchain tools
So, I've become interested about these new digital currencies. I'm at
the information gathering stage, particularly with finding related
tools, that have ebuilds.
miguelmota/cointop looks interesting:
https://cointop.sh/
eix -R cointop
app-misc/cointop [2]
Available versions: (~)1.4.4^s ***l^s
Homepage:https://github.com/miguelmota/cointop
Description: Interactive cryptocurrency monitor
* net-misc/cointop [1]
Available versions: (~)1.1.3^m {debug pie}
Homepage:https://github.com/miguelmota/cointop
Description: A terminal based UI application for tracking
cryptocurrencies
[1] "chaoslab" layman/chaoslab
[2] "nest" layman/nest
I tried the first, unofficial repo, since it had the latest version. I
added the unofficial repo [1]
it did not build::
Get
"https://proxy.golang.org/github.com/%21burnt%21sushi/toml/@v/v0.3.1.mod":
dial tcp: lookup proxy.golang.org on 1.0.0.1:53: dial udp 1.0.0.1:53:
connect: network is unreachable
* ERROR: app-misc/cointop-1.4.4::nest failed (compile phase):
Suggestions how to fix build (download) and similar graphical tools to
analyze and follow the "goodies" of the blockchain, are of keen
interests to me.
Personal, or professional analysis of whick blockchains (I call them
digital currencies) are also welcome, on this list or privately. On the
list is preferred, so others may add details.
If memory serves, Ethereum was a collective that included some gentoo
folks.?
tia,
James
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Local mail server
On 8/1/20 2:45 PM, Grant Taylor wrote: On 7/31/20 1:54 PM, Grant Edwards wrote: If I had a week with nothing to do, I'd love to try to get something like that working You don't need a week.� You don't even need a day.� You can probably have a test tunnel working (on your computer) in less than an hour. Then maybe a few more hours to get it to work on your existing equipment (router) robustly and automatically on reboot. I encourage you to spend that initial hour.� I think� you will find that will be time well spent. Hurricane Electric does have something else that will take more time, maybe a few minutes a day over a month or so.� Their IPv6 training program (I last looked a number of years ago) is a good introduction to IPv6 in general.� Once you complete it, they'll even send you a shirt as a nice perk. Note:� H.E. IPv6 training is independent and not required for their IPv6-in-IPv4 tunnel service. but, I assume you need a static IPv4 address. Nope.� Not really. You do need a predictable IPv4 address.� I'm using a H.E. tunnel on a sticky IP (DHCP with long lease and renewals) perfectly fine. If your IP does change, you just need to update the tunnel or create a new one to replace the old one.� This is all manged through their web interface. Here is an short read on the acceptance and usage of IPv6: https://ungleich.ch/u/blog/2020-the-year-of-ipv6/ So, yes I am working on using IPv6, with my RV/mobile-lab. hth, Jams
Re: [gentoo-user] Python 2.7 removal : problem with Firefox + Spidermonkey
On 8/2/20 6:22 AM, Walter Dnes wrote:
On Sat, Aug 01, 2020 at 11:08:47PM -0400, james wrote
On 8/1/20 12:10 PM, Walter Dnes wrote:
So a "palemoon-bin" ebuild is possible. But is it necessary? If
you pull down and extract the precompiled tarball to your home dir, it
can be set to check for, and do, updates (as long as you have write
permission to the Pale Moon directory). No need for portage to do it.
Further security ideas with palemoon are of keen interest to me too. A
set of local security testing tools/semantics etc etc would be useful;
pointers to existing security tools are keen appreciated too.
The best security advice for the average user is to keep up with the
latest updates.
yep yep yep.
See http://www.palemoon.org/releasenotes.shtml for an
idea of feature updates and security and bug fixes with each release.
To keep up-to-date *ON AN OFFICIAL BINARY* follow the menu tree...
Tools ==> Preferences ==> Advanced ==> Update
NICE.
..and select the appropriate option. See
http://www.palemoon.org/support/prefs-advanced-update for an explanation.
If you install the official binary manually in your home dir (or
anywhere else you have write permission), Pale Moon can do in-place
updates. If you do it "the official Portage way") the installed files
will end up somewhere in /usr/ and you, as regular user, cannot
authorize the update. Since you're talking about security, I assume
you're not browsing as root.
never.
Another thing to note is that the Pale Moon devs are currently
"de-unifying the source". This means that over time, manual builds will
take longer and longer to compile, especially on older machines with low
ram. Unifying source speeds up compile-time, but... large monolithic
source files make bugs and error messages a lot harder to track down.
Run-time performance is not affected.
All of my "old amd64" systems have 32 G of ram. I'm evaluating which
cluster technology to use all (3) on compiles. But with the use of the
GPU soon to be practical on Gentoo, maybe that times(3) cluster will not
be needed? Except on big compile days..
tldr; the quickest/dirtiest/securest way to deal with Pale Moon (e.g.
for 64-bit) is...
mkdir $HOME/pm
cd $HOME/pm
#
# Download the official tarball from
http://linux.palemoon.org/download/mainline/
#
# Stop Pale Moon and "uninstall" and extract
killall palemoon
rm -rf palemoon
tar xf
..and point your program launcher to
$HOME/pm/palemoon/palemoon ${*}
very cool.
If you want to get fancy and run multiple profiles simultaneously you
can pass commandline parameters like...
$HOME/pm/palemoon/palemoon -new-instance -p 680_news
$HOME/pm/palemoon/palemoon -new-instance -p covid
$HOME/pm/palemoon/palemoon -new-instance -p dslr
$HOME/pm/palemoon/palemoon -new-instance -p slashdot
$HOME/pm/palemoon/palemoon -new-instance -p youtube
Note that these profiles have to already exist. To launch the profile
manager to enable profile creation...
$HOME/pm/palemoon/palemoon -new-instance -p
Multiple profiles have advantages...
1) You can get multiple specified webpages to open up on startup that
are related to one item. Hint; In "Tools ==> Preferences ==> General"
you can set "Home Page" like so...
http://bad.example.com | ftp://blah.blah.blah.com | https://youtube.com
Nice.
..etc, etc. Multiple webpages are separated by {SPACE} {PIPE} {SPACE}.
I've got some really long lines on one or two profiles.
2) 3rd-party cookies in one profile cannot be accessed by webpages in
another profile. This reduces the effectiveness of tracking.
Kinda been suspecting this, great to get verification.
3) Add-ons only apply to the profile they're downloaded to. The only
one I use is ANM "Advanced Night Mode"
https://addons.palemoon.org/addon/advanced-night-mode/
Some webpages are run by idiot webmasters who set "low contrast" fonts
to something bordering on...
FONT FOREGROUND #FEFEFE
FONT BACKGROUND #FF
ANM cures that by forcing white text on black background. This
add-on is specific to Pale Moon. The add-on works only in profile(s)
it's downloaded to, so sane webpages can be left alone. Actually, even
sane webpages sometimes look better with ANM.
Thanks Walter, for all of the palemoon info. I'm putting up a gentoo
test system for such (palemoon) excursions.
James
Re: [gentoo-user] ebuild : how to check for python version
On 8/2/20 1:34 PM, Helmut Jarausch wrote: On 08/02/2020 06:15:12 PM, Ramon Fischer wrote: Hi Helmut, maybe "python_is_python3"[1] will help? I am still new to creating ebuilds. :) -Ramon Thanks Ramon for this hint. I need to know which version of Python3 ( Python3.8 or Python3.9) and I could see how python_is_python3 helps here. Helmut editing /usr/portage/profiles/base/use.stable.mask might give you the granularity of control you see, BUT I have not tested it yet, related to python3_9, so I'd recommend deep research and change packages one at a time, regardless of how you choose to use version 3_9. https://docs.python.org/3.9/whatsnew/3.9.html just because it is (?) release, does not mean it is stable and ready for gentoo beta testing (my speculation). hth, James
Re: [gentoo-user] Python 2.7 removal : problem with Firefox + Spidermonkey
On 8/1/20 7:04 PM, David Haller wrote:
Hello,
On Sat, 01 Aug 2020, Walter Dnes wrote:
[..]
So a "palemoon-bin" ebuild is possible.
There's already one in the palemoon overlay.
-dnh
This is what you are referring to?
www-client/palemoon-bin [2]
Available versions: 28.11.0^ms {startup-notification}
Homepage:https://www.palemoon.org/
[1] "octopus" /var/lib/layman/octopus
[2] "palemoon" /var/lib/layman/palemoon
If other, please post an exact link?
James
Re: [gentoo-user] Python 2.7 removal : problem with Firefox + Spidermonkey
On 8/1/20 12:10 PM, Walter Dnes wrote: On Sat, Aug 01, 2020 at 01:05:30AM -0400, Walter Dnes wrote I have another idea. We already have firefox-bin and libreoffice-bin ebuilds where the compiled tarball is pulled down from upstream, and untarred. Would this work on Pale Moon? I guess it comes down to whether or not python 2.7 is a run-time dependancy as well as a build time dependency. I'll ask on the Pale Moon forum. I checked, and it looks like python 2.7 is build-time dependency only. Pale Moon will *RUN* just fine without python. Runtime system requirements according to http://linux.palemoon.org/download/mainline/ * A modern Linux distribution. The browser may not work well on old or LTS releases of Linux. * A modern processor (must have SSE2 support as the absolute minimum). * 1GB of RAM (2GB or more recommended for heavy use). * GTK+ v2.24 * GLib 2.22 or higher * Pango 1.14 or higher * libstdc++ 4.6.1 or higher So a "palemoon-bin" ebuild is possible. But is it necessary? If you pull down and extract the precompiled tarball to your home dir, it can be set to check for, and do, updates (as long as you have write permission to the Pale Moon directory). No need for portage to do it. OK, give a few days, as I do like the idea of building palemoon locally, outside of portage. Since it is a critical, at this time, app for me, having more than one way to build it or get the binary, is of keen interest to me. What we do not need to do, is start trying to stay on top of all the python.2_7 security issues that abound. In fact, since palemoon is all about a secure browser (for me at least) I'm surprised they, as a project team, are not accelerating the migration to pure Python-3. Further security ideas with palemoon are of keen interest to me too. A set of local security testing tools/semantics etc etc would be useful; pointers to existing security tools are keen appreciated too. thx Walter. James
Re: [gentoo-user] Python 2.7 removal : problem with Firefox + Spidermonkey
On 7/31/20 9:40 AM, Walter Dnes wrote: On Wed, Jul 29, 2020 at 08:01:33PM -0400, james wrote Me, palemoon is my fav browser and it seems to be long term stuck on python 2.7.. Any suggests on a more secure, feature rich browser other than palemoon would be interesting to me to at least test. Pale Moon is a Firefox fork and has inherited this dependancy from it. I used to build Pale Moon manually on an older 32-bit CentOS chroot. That CentOS version only went up to python 2.4, which did not work. I had to download a python 2.7 tarball and build it in the home dir (yes, it works). The Pale Moon build toolchain found it and it built OK. The steps are... # # Name it whatever you want mkdir pysource cd pysource wget https://www.python.org/ftp/python/2.7.18/Python-2.7.18.tar.xz tar xf Py* cd Python-2.7.18 # # Name it whatever you want ./configure --prefix=$HOME/py27 make # # "su" or "sudo" is not required in the next step. You have write # permission to your home directory. make install The "make" command may take while to build, depending on RAM and CPU in your machine. Afterwards you probably have to include... I just use this: /var/lib/layman/palemoon/www-client/palemoon and www-client/palemoon 28.11.0 installs without issue. Your method makes palemoon.28.11.0 install without any dependence on python.2_7 ? The package build/install for palemoon will not be part of portage.? (if I'm understanding what you have written). James
Re: [gentoo-user] Python 2.7 removal : problem with Firefox + Spidermonkey
On 7/31/20 9:50 AM, Walter Dnes wrote:
On Wed, Jul 29, 2020 at 08:01:33PM -0400, james wrote
Me, palemoon is my fav browser and it seems to be long term stuck on
python 2.7.. Any suggests on a more secure, feature rich browser
other than palemoon would be interesting to me to at least test.
Pale Moon is a Firefox fork and has inherited this dependancy from it.
I used to build Pale Moon manually on an older 32-bit CentOS chroot.
That CentOS version only went up to python 2.4, which did not work. I
had to download a python 2.7 tarball and build it in the home dir (yes,
it works). The Pale Moon build toolchain found it and it built OK. The
steps are...
#
# Name it whatever you want
mkdir pysource
cd pysource
wget https://www.python.org/ftp/python/2.7.18/Python-2.7.18.tar.xz
tar xf Py*
cd Python-2.7.18
#
# Name it whatever you want
./configure --prefix=$HOME/py27
make
#
# "su" or "sudo" is not required in the next step. You have write
# permission to your home directory.
make install
Interesting.
The "make" command may take while to build, depending on RAM and CPU
in your machine. Afterwards you probably have to include...
Explicitly, this will result in palemoon.28.11.0 being build, only
dependant on Python 3 ?
I just added a repo via layman:
/var/lib/layman/palemoon/www-client/palemoon
www-client/palemoon
Available versions: {M}(~)27.9.4[1] {M}**27.-r2[1]
(~)28.2.2*l^m[1] (~)28.3.0*l^m[1] 28.9.0.1*l[2] 28.9.0.2*l[2]
28.9.1*l[2] 28.9.2*l[2] 28.9.3*l[2] 28.10.0*l[2] 28.11.0
via [2] "palemoon" /var/lib/layman/palemoon
and it builds, robustly and without errors, but is still dependent on
python 2.7.
so your details do result in palemoon 28.11.0 without python 2.7
attendances?
Re: [gentoo-user] Local mail server
On 7/31/20 12:38 PM, Grant Taylor wrote: On 7/30/20 3:05 AM, antlists wrote: From what little I understand, IPv6 *enforces* CIDR. Are you talking about the lack of defined classes of network; A, B, C, D, E?? Or are you talking about hierarchical routing? There is no concept of a class of network in IPv6. Hierarchical routing is a laudable goal, but it failed 15-20 years ago. Each customer is then given one of these 64-bit address spaces for their local network. So routing tables suddenly become extremely simple - eactly the way IPv4 was intended to be. Except that things didn't work out that way. Provider Independent addresses, multi-homing, and redundant routes mean that hierarchical routing failed 15-20 years ago. Many providers try to address things so that hierarchical routing is a thing within their network.? But the reality of inter-networking between providers means that things aren't as neat and tidy as this on the Internet. This may then mean that dynDNS is part of (needs to be) the IPv6 spec, because every time a client roams between networks, its IPv6 address HAS to change. Nope. It's entirely possible to have clients roam between IPv6 (and IPv4) networks without (one of) it's address(es) changing.? Mobile IP.? VPNs. Tunnels.? BGP Sure, the connection to the network changes as it moves from network to network.? But this doesn't mean that the actual IP address that's used by the system to communicate with the world changes. Take a look at IPv6 Provider Delegation.? At least as Comcast does it, means that you only have a link-local IPv6 address on the outside and a /56 on the inside of a network.? The world sees the globally routed IPv6 network on the inside and doesn't give 2? what the outside link-net IPv6 address is.? Comcast routes the /56 they delegate to you via the non-globally-routed IPv6 link-net IPv6 address. There are multiple ways to keep the same IP while changing the connecting link. I'd like to start with a basic list/brief description of these, please? James
Re: [gentoo-user] Local mail server
On 7/31/20 12:30 PM, Grant Taylor wrote: On 7/29/20 5:23 PM, james wrote: Free static IPs? Sure. Sign up with Hurricane Electric for an IPv6 in IPv4 tunnel and request that they route a /56 to you.? It's free.? #hazFun Great to know. I'll see what happens. Note:: here in the US, it may be easier and better, to just purchase an assignment, that renders them yours. Simply paying someone for IPs doesn't "render them yours" per say. agreed. I'd be shocked if you do not have to pay somebody residual fees, just like DNS. It is highly dependent on what you consider to be "residual fees". Does the circuit to connect you / your equipment to the Internet count? Usually, the circuit for connectivity and the other costs, are bundled by the ISP/bandwidth-carrier. Sure it get's more complicated with bypass, dark-fiber, IEC, and a myriad of other vendor solutions. What about the power to run said equipment? Comm gear is usually low power, but if they assign you a rack or whatever, then the accounting can tag you with hundreds per month for Air Conditioning, transport, etc etc. So I was not intending to go down that pathway of charges and fees. Does infrastructure you already have and completely paying for mean that adding a new service (DNS) to it costs (more) money? Yes, there is annual (however it works out) rental on the domain name. But you can easily host your own DNS if you have infrastructure to do so on. yep, at least (2) static IPs. Once running I'll find a similar bandwidth usage organization and swap DNS secondary services. Now days with all the issue wit CA and others similar/related issues. that might get complicated. (2) static IPs for (2) dns primary resolvers should get me going. My VPS provider offers no-additional-charge DNS services.? Does that mean that it's free?? I am paying them a monthly fee for other things. How you slice things can be quite tricky. Yep yep yep. So sense there seems to be interest from several folks, I'm all interested in how to do this, US centric. I think the simplest and most expedient is to get a Hurricane Electric IPv6-in-IPv4 tunnel. I agree, based on what you have shared. Another quesiton. If you have (2) blocks of IP6 address, can you use BGP4 (RFC 1771, 4271, 4632, 5678,5936 6198 etc ) and other RFC based standards? to manage routing and such multipath needs? Conceptually?? Sure. Minutia:? I don't recall at the moment if the same version of the BGP protocol handles both IPv4 and IPv6.? I think it does.? But I need more caffeine and to check things to say for certain.? Either way, I almost always see BGPv4 and BGPv6 neighbor sessions established independently. There is a fair bit more that needs to be done to support multi-path in addition to having a prefix. yep yep yep! Who enforces what carriers do with networking. Here in the US, I'm pretty sure it's just up to the the Carrier/ISP/bypass_Carrier/backhaul-transport company) Yep. There is what any individual carrier will do and then there's what the consensus of the Internet will do.? You can often get carriers to do more things than the Internet in general will do.? Sometimes for a fee. Sometimes for free.? It is completely dependent on the carrier. Verizon killing its email services: https://www.inquirer.com/philly/blogs/comcast-nation/Verizon-exiting-email-business.html Conglomerates with IP resources, pretty much do what they want, and they are killing the standards based networking. If I'm incorrect, please educated me, as I have not kept up in this space, since selling my ISP more than (2) decades ago. Well, it's probable not appropriate for me to "finger" specifics. But if you just learn about all the things some carriers are experimenting with, in the name of 5G, it is a wide variety experimentation, to put it mildly. Please elaborate on what you think the industry / conglomerates are doing that is killing the standards based networking. The trump-china disputes are only accelerating open standards for communications systems, including all things TCP/IP. Please elaborate. Forking the internet into 1.China & pals 2. European Member states. 3. USA and allies. "Some" folks would argue the mess with Certificate Authority (CA) provides an enormous venue for Nefarious activities. Some would say "the feds & company" would/are choosing instability, rather than enforceable rules, which include the (US) federal authorities. Their default is "hack the planet", as long as we get backdoors and other forms of access to everything. However this list has many very smart readers. I'm not going too deep. I will say that every RF chipset is deeply comprised and it takes millions of dollars in gear to delineate that. Believe what you want. But someone like you (Grant) could help guide and document a gentoo centric col
Re: [gentoo-user] Python 2.7 removal : problem with Firefox + Spidermonkey
On 7/29/20 1:21 PM, Simon Thelen wrote: [2020-07-29 13:11] Philip Webb Hi, I've removed every other pkg which might require Python-2.7, but am stuck with this : root:605 ~> emerge -cpv python:2.7 Calculating dependencies... done! dev-lang/python-2.7.18-r1 pulled in by: dev-lang/spidermonkey-60.5.2_p0-r4 requires >=dev-lang/python-2.7.5-r2:2.7[ncurses,sqlite,ssl,threads] www-client/firefox-68.10.0 requires dev-lang/python:2.7[ncurses,sqlite,ssl,threads(+)] Yes, I've looked in package.use & in the ebuilds & can't find any source of these requirements : can anyone help ? The dependencies on python2.7 are being added by the mozcoreconf eclasses. The firefox requirement is in eclass/mozcoreconf-v6.eclass, spidermonkey has essentially the same thing but in -v5.eclass I'm down to (9) or so. Periodically, I use this command to see where I am:: eix --installed-with-use python_targets_python2_7 and in the top of my package.use I have:: */* PYTHON_TARGETS: python3_6 python3_7 python3_8 python3_9 */* PYTHON_SINGLE_TARGET: -* python3_7 */* PYTHON_TARGETS: -python2_7 There are many variants on these approaches, depending on how aggressively you want to get rid of python 2_7. Me, palemoon is my fav browser and it seems to be long term stuck on python 2.7.. Any suggests on a more secure, feature rich browser other than palemoon would be interesting to me to at least test. But, this is a system, with thousands of packages from gentoo (gentrified) proper, and dozens of other hacks. and dozens of my own (rev-5) ebuilds I'm too lazy/stupid to update to (rev-7). If I were only smarter and motivated.. As I age, I'm getting lazier; and that includes all things gentoo.... hth, James
Re: [gentoo-user] Local mail server
On 7/29/20 5:20 AM, Wols Lists wrote: On 29/07/20 00:11, james wrote: On 7/28/20 12:10 PM, Wols Lists wrote: On 28/07/20 16:01, james wrote: (2) DNS resolvers, (?) mail-servers for a robust mail system that "I" admin, and (1) internet facing web server and (1) internal only facing or limited outward facing Web server for development and security based testing. Static IP are basically $5/month from my ISP. Do you really want to pay for a static IP? I'd go IPv6 instead. I learnt my v4 in the days of 10-base-2, and I'd really love to update to punching holes in a v6 router. Limited risk, and no worries about static IPs, NATing, all that legacy stuff ... :-) Cheers, Wol So, IPv6 can be assigned without payment to an ISP? Besides having static IPs without bandwidth connections routed (assigned) to those IP6 addresses are not useful? If I go IPv6, where does the bandwidth come from? From your ISP? The OP's ISP charges EXTRA for a static address, which shouldn't be the case seeing as they have oodles of the things. Or maybe I'm out-of-date, seeing as my ISP in the old days provided a static IPv4 free of charge as a matter of course. Cheers, Wol Here is the US, too few regulators even comprehend your arguments or the state of commercial routing and networking. If ordinary folks can get their porn in a web browser, robustly, then it is classified as a 'great ISP'. What folk, with some measure of expertise, have, can and want to do, is often only comprehensible by third level support as these ISPs, if you get lucky. Free static IPs? Sure I like that idea, but I'd need a current link as in the US I think that was some years ago. I'll file for some, in a heartbeat, if anyone can point me to the registrar. Note:: here in the US, it may be easier and better, to just purchase an assignment, that renders them yours. I'd be shocked if you do not have to pay somebody residual fees, just like DNS. So sense there seems to be interest from several folks, I'm all interested in how to do this, US centric. I think each country sets policy on IP allocations from their (IP6) pool. A dozen or (2) pools, so I can test IoT gear, would be keen for my interests. For IoT, on aerial vehicles, the restrictions extreme, if you believe what has been published. Very, Very interested in this thread. Another quesiton. If you have (2) blocks of IP6 address, can you use BGP4 (RFC 1771, 4271, 4632, 5678,5936 6198 etc ) and other RFC based standards to manage routing and such multipath needs? Who enforces what carriers do with networking. Here in the US, I'm pretty sure it's just up to the the Carrier/ISP/bypass_Carrier/backhaul-transport company) Conglomerates with IP resources, pretty much do what they want, and they are killing the standards based networking. If I'm incorrect, please educated me, as I have not kept up in this space, since selling my ISP more than (2) decades ago. The trump-china disputes are only accelerating open standards for communications systems, including all things TCP/IP. curiously, James
Re: [gentoo-user] Local mail server
On 7/28/20 12:05 PM, Wols Lists wrote: On 28/07/20 16:01, james wrote: (2) DNS resolvers, (?) mail-servers for a robust mail system that "I" admin, and (1) internet facing web server and (1) internal only facing or limited outward facing Web server for development and security based testing. Static IP are basically $5/month from my ISP. Do you really want to pay for a static IP? I'd go IPv6 instead. I learnt my v4 in the days of 10-base-2, and I'd really love to update to punching holes in a v6 router. Limited risk, and no worries about static IPs, NATing, all that legacy stuff ... :-) Cheers, Wol It's the bandwidth provider's policy. Static IPs (4 or 6) requires a monthly fee. If you know a way around this, with full privileges one gets with static IP addresses, I'm all ears.? I do not want some limited/dysfunctional solution. I want/need the full ability of what static IPs addresses bring. (all ports open etc). I am curious about your details via IPv6 and static (permanently assigned ) addresses. James
Re: [gentoo-user] Local mail server
On 7/28/20 12:10 PM, Wols Lists wrote: On 28/07/20 16:01, james wrote: (2) DNS resolvers, (?) mail-servers for a robust mail system that "I" admin, and (1) internet facing web server and (1) internal only facing or limited outward facing Web server for development and security based testing. Static IP are basically $5/month from my ISP. Do you really want to pay for a static IP? I'd go IPv6 instead. I learnt my v4 in the days of 10-base-2, and I'd really love to update to punching holes in a v6 router. Limited risk, and no worries about static IPs, NATing, all that legacy stuff ... :-) Cheers, Wol So, IPv6 can be assigned without payment to an ISP? Besides having static IPs without bandwidth connections routed (assigned) to those IP6 addresses are not useful? If I go IPv6, where does the bandwidth come from? confused, James
Re: [gentoo-user] Local mail server
On 7/28/20 4:23 AM, Peter Humphrey wrote: On Monday, 27 July 2020 22:10:59 BST james wrote: I just ran across this document. I hope you find it relevant to your mail issues. https://bridge.grumpy-troll.org/2020/07/small-mailserver-bcp/ Small Mailserver Best Current Practices Thank you James. I seem to have fixed my problem by removing the specific addresses from mynetworks and setting mynetworkstyle = subnet. That doesn't make sense to me, but hey-ho. Good news. But I'm still looking for that complete list of (gentoo ebuild) codes to run on top of 2-4 stems, for a small, but feature rich solution for (2) DNS resolvers, (?) mail-servers for a robust mail system that "I" admin, and (1) internet facing web server and (1) internal only facing or limited outward facing Web server for development and security based testing. Static IP are basically $5/month from my ISP. So this is a point of curiosity for you or anyone with such a setup; but only what they wish to reveal publically. A private disclosure, and howto is ok too, and I'll respect your privacy of such detail. Eventually, when the Rasp.Pi_4 can map or at least utilize 16G of ram, I want to move the entire operation to Rp4s. Then I can have one setup stationary, and one mobile in my RV. The thought is the RF (pseudo) statics are dominate, unless I travel to an area in the US, that does not have connectivity for a mobile rig. Anyone is encouraged, publically or privately, to make suggestions. Eventually, the choices and basic instruction should make it to a web page document. If several folks go down this pathway, then the security and security testing semantics, to ensure it is robustly safe, could be well documents, via a group effort. So all can benefit and stay safe. Adding a secure version of Slack, to these stacks, would be pretty cool too. After all, such a setup would be sweet, and allow for for travel and still be in charge of all of your resources.
Re: [gentoo-user] Local mail server
On 7/25/20 8:09 AM, Peter Humphrey wrote: On Sunday, 19 July 2020 15:18:32 BST I wrote: I think I'm nearly there, but still one config problem eludes me. The setup is fetchmail > postfix > dovecot. Postfix is trying to deliver some mail (not all) to me@this-workstation instead of to its own machine, and I can't see why. I've tried a couple of relay-host settings, but then I just get "warning: relayhost configuration problem" in the log, so relay-host is now back to its default value. Here's an excerpt from main.cf: myhostname = serv. mydomain = mydestination = $myhostname, localhost.$mydomain, localhost, $mydomain I've tried omitting $mydomain from that last line, but it didn't help. Can anyone see what I'm missing? (More of main.cf if needed.) Hello Peter, I just ran across this document. I hope you find it relevant to your mail issues. https://bridge.grumpy-troll.org/2020/07/small-mailserver-bcp/ Small Mailserver Best Current Practices James
Re: [gentoo-user] To do list or bug tracker? Project management?
On 7/20/20 11:56 AM, Stroller wrote: Hello, Does anyone have any recommendations for a task management app, please? I bought a boat a year ago, and can't keep a track of all the work that needs doing and the things that need fixing. I took a look at To Do apps for my Mac a while back but they all seemed to focus more on the formatting of the list (what font to use and what kind of bullet points), rather than the actual tasks. I'd like something that tracks dependencies - that I need to order this part before I can complete that task, to divide jobs that can be completed now from those that need something else doing first. A big tracker is the application I'm most familiar with that handles this kind of stuff, but it seems a lot to install for a single person - I guess a complete SQL database and web-server would be amongst the dependencies. I'd appreciate any thoughts, Stroller. Hi Stroller, As a nautical type, much would depend on the size of the boat. But there are tricks:: 1. Keep a multi-sheet notepad with the boat, so you can scribble down notes, ideas and todo items. Later, you can take that tablet, type it up and keep a copy with the boat, for further/deeper annotation. 2. Never smoke in, near or around the boat, unless it is diesel. A few signs to such is always a good idea. Smoking back at the keyboard, is usually OK. 3. USE the dam thing, so you can remember why you started pumping lots of cash into it. Mine, I have keg parties, with the keg & ice inside the boat, so the boat receives lots of love from you friends. Quite often, this is the best use of a boat, regardless if trailered or tied up to a doc or wherever. 4. Dual batteries are a necessity: one of cranking and one to run the supervisory electronics that ensures the perfect (or close to it) temperature for the beer 5. Almost forgot, if you do intend to actually use the boat, insurance is a must, both for sinking and liabilities... 6. GNUcash is a great app for all things financial, particulary if you use the boat for business and want to track expenses and make your accountant happy. Big boats are easy to include with a C or S corp and save you big in expenses hth, James
Re: [gentoo-user] nsapass - alternative to keepassxc (and others)
On 7/18/20 1:03 PM, Rich Freeman wrote: On Sat, Jul 18, 2020 at 12:51 PM Caveman Al Toraboran wrote: it's just an encrypted json file. you can decrypt it by `scrypt dec path/to/db.enc` to see how stupidly simple it is. I have to say that this entire thread is a great example of Poe's Law in action... Poe's law is not a law, but conjecture, at best. Poe's Law is Oxymoronic.. I'll bet Poe's conjecture, will not survive a few generations. Scriptures, are recognized by billions of of folks, as authentic, regardless of compliance, for thousands of years. Poe is a joke; ymmv. Back to the subject: encryption: https://www.realrandom.co/wp/ Real Random, is true, random encryption, that the Feds cannot compromise, unless the origination/generation is itself corrupt. D. Ritchie wrote an abstract about C and the kernel being compressible, from the beginning. https://www.realrandom.co/wp/ If you really, really want to secure those communications channels. It works with most every system, tested so far. peace my friends, James
Re: [gentoo-user] nsapass - alternative to keepassxc (and others)
On 7/17/20 8:11 AM, Rich Freeman wrote: On Fri, Jul 17, 2020 at 1:15 AM Caveman Al Toraboran wrote: hi - recently i heard some guys were suffering in this list from keepassxc, which reminded me of my my own. so i finally decided to put an end to this in 404 lines of py code: https://github.com/Al-Caveman/nsapass Probably won't win an obfuscated python contest, but I was amused. I'll just go ahead and add in that the NSA really should just offer a data backup service super-cheap. Chances are they already have a copy of most of our data, so why not offer a service to allow us to get it back from them if we lose it? Never going to happen cause it would validate what everone knows that the gov. agencies are collecting up massive amounts of illegal data, via large corporations that DO have full access to our privacy and they are being paid by the US gov. US residents are basically already paying (through taxes) for a service to backup all their data. Why not close the loop and actually get some personal benefit from having that data returned to them when they end up needing it? Since we're generously paying to back up everybody else's data as well around the world, I guess we could sell the restoration service as a revenue generator outside the US. Hm. Nice info. No diagreements, but the issue is much deeper! I'm a bit more proactive, in thought. So, imho, one day we'll have a presidential candidate that postulates constitutional reform: If you have no felony convictions, then you have a GOD GIVEN RIGHT to superior security than the government AND they must go through a public court system process to LEGALLY obtain the right to spy in a given Citizen, in good standing. Own guns and shoot whoever violates the interior of your home, or threatens you with bodily harm. Ignore the rest. Wanna block\reform the feds? There is a pathway. REAL RANDOM and asynchronous multipath (you'll have to figure out the second one for yourself Not fakes like these DoD posers: It's lives at http://wheelhorse.io But the real deal: RR: https://www.realrandom.co/wp/ And of course you have to provide/instantiate Root CA services (another can of worms) The FF are scared to death of these guys (RR), cause they are upstanding and legally establish. Sure, Rich, a guy like you could do a prototye/test, and drop my name on them to get this all for free, for a 90 day test. I'm too close to them, spiritually, just so you know. I'm rapidly aging and may not have many more years at the keyboard. Time is short, before the great satan takes over our constitutionally given rights and guarantees to privacy. be blessed, James
[gentoo-user] cant add fonts
This is weird. background; So I've installed media-fonts/courier-prime: Installing (1 of 1) media-libs/fontconfig-2.13.1-r2::gentoo * Syncing fontconfig configuration to system ... [ ok ] * Cleaning broken symlinks in /etc/fonts/conf.d/ * abi_x86_32.x86: running multilib_pkg_postinst * Creating global font cache for x86 ... Fontconfig error: Cannot scan config file "infinality/conf.d" [ ok ] * abi_x86_64.amd64: running multilib_pkg_postinst * Creating global font cache for amd64 ... The dir '/etc/fonts/infinality' contains these files: conf.src infinality.conf styles.conf.avail so I ran 'eselect fontconfig enable 28' to enable the '52-infinality.conf *' But I still get: can't load font *-courier-medium-r-*-18-* When I try to run 'vi testtest' as user or root I get this error: can't load font *-courier-medium-r-*-18-* 'vim testtest' works fine. 'eselect fontconfig list' shows: a list of 60, including [28] 52-infinality.conf but it is not 'enabled' (perhaps a command I missing or tool option just to merely enable (52-infinality.conf) ? "but nothing related to courier-prime So how do I get the courier fonts 'to be included'? Then what are the steps to have it available. I've probably missed a simple gentoo manual/wiki page describing what is usually a very easy graphics tool ? James
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: SSH xterm not working properly during install
On 7/8/20 10:05 PM, james wrote: On 7/8/20 9:48 AM, Grant Edwards wrote: On 2020-07-08, Walter Dnes wrote: Today I decided to ssh into the install, and cut + paste stuff into an ssh xterm into the install.� This went flying along really fast until I went to emerge after having updated make.conf.� I got a slew of weird errors. I've been installing Gentoo that way for almost 20 years and never had a problem.� I very rarely use xterm though -- I used aterm for years, switched to rxvt, and then to urxvt. It turns out that make.conf was majorly butchered after I had done some "simple" edits over ssh.� This seems to be a terminfo problem, so it may apply to more than just nano. -- Grant x11-misc/urxvtconfig might be useful to you https://github.com/daedreth/URXVTConfig hth, James AND 'rich' looks like it picks up color to fancy features, if somebody figures out how to set it up on gentoo: https://pypi.org/project/rich/ "Render rich text, tables, progress bars, syntax highlighting, markdown and more to the terminal " This one has been on the 'todo' list for me for a while. hth, James
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: SSH xterm not working properly during install
On 7/8/20 9:48 AM, Grant Edwards wrote: On 2020-07-08, Walter Dnes wrote: Today I decided to ssh into the install, and cut + paste stuff into an ssh xterm into the install. This went flying along really fast until I went to emerge after having updated make.conf. I got a slew of weird errors. I've been installing Gentoo that way for almost 20 years and never had a problem. I very rarely use xterm though -- I used aterm for years, switched to rxvt, and then to urxvt. It turns out that make.conf was majorly butchered after I had done some "simple" edits over ssh. This seems to be a terminfo problem, so it may apply to more than just nano. -- Grant x11-misc/urxvtconfig might be useful to you https://github.com/daedreth/URXVTConfig hth, James
Re: [gentoo-user] Quickest/easiest Gentoo install?
On 7/8/20 1:09 AM, Matt Connell (Gmail) wrote: On Tue, 2020-07-07 at 23:50 -0400, james wrote: I have a proton mail account, the free one, very basic. Proton mail doesn't allow standard IMAP/SMTP, which is relevant given the below. If you want to use a mail client, protonmail is probably a non-starter for you Will this guide allow thunderbird and other complex apps to send/receive mail from the postfix server, (thunderbird) ? Yes, the guide uses dovecot which is a modern IMAP server. Postfix is used exclusively for SMTP as an MTA, for sending. OK, you have convinced me. I'm got to spin up some extra gentoo systems (rasp.Pi.4) and get the static IPs from the isp. I'll drop a line, when ready. DO feel encourages to just keep replying to this thread, with links, suggested config options and anything else. I'm going for the entire enchilada, here:: (2) primary dns servers, one mail server (system) and one basic simple web server.
Re: [gentoo-user] Quickest/easiest Gentoo install?
On 7/7/20 10:54 PM, Matt Connell (Gmail) wrote: On Tue, 2020-07-07 at 18:18 -0400, james wrote: So who do folks recommend for mail server services? If you want to pay someone to host mail for you, I can vouch for Mailfence. I have a proton mail account, the free one, very basic. Inquiring about upgrading to a paid (backup account). BUT that $2.50/mo. does look attractive at mailfence, https://protonmail.com/pricing Time to set up my own mail server (what I prefer to do). Or if you want to go this route, here's the Gentoo-centric answer: https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Simple_mail_server_with_webmail Yes that guide looks cool. I can always continue to add features and codes as I get my own mail server setup, tune and inclusive of what I want. (postfix)! Will this guide allow thunderbird and other complex apps to send/receive mail from the postfix server, (thunderbird) ? I've decided to get 5 statics and set up a postfix mail and (2) dns servers and a webserver, just for kicks. I've been toying around. It'll only cost me @25/mo for (5) static IPs. And finally, I can do what I want, again. Eventually, when the 16G Rasp-pi are set up, I'll want to move the DNS, postfix (et al) server and web server to all onto the Rpi4-16Gig ram boards.
Re: [gentoo-user] Quickest/easiest Gentoo install?
On 7/7/20 9:20 PM, Walter Dnes wrote: On Tue, Jul 07, 2020 at 01:47:31PM -0400, james wrote Good news: I have dozens of potential solutions to what you seek. I will post a few, that best (potentially) satisfy your solution-request. Please let me know what your try and what is wrong with what I suggest. (it helps me). Bad news: I am currently very disorganized. Thay all seem to come with various software pre-installed that I don't need/want. I decided to try a quickie manual install, but ran into problems, which are a separate thread. Just one semi-related question here. Do I still need both LINGUAS and L10N in make.conf? On my desktop I currently have... Well, cant you just use one of the first 2 and then just edit/add to your world file? With modest resources, it is often best to use an existing binary, and build out the next/older version with that existing binary as a ref. Older systems with modest resources, can easily be 'burned' if you have them compile too much or too long. I often open them up, and put a 12" fan blowing hard to keep the resources cool, especially for large compiles... ymmv.
Re: [gentoo-user] Quickest/easiest Gentoo install?
On 7/7/20 9:20 PM, Walter Dnes wrote: On Tue, Jul 07, 2020 at 01:47:31PM -0400, james wrote Good news: I have dozens of potential solutions to what you seek. I will post a few, that best (potentially) satisfy your solution-request. Please let me know what your try and what is wrong with what I suggest. (it helps me). Bad news: I am currently very disorganized. Thay all seem to come with various software pre-installed that I don't need/want. I decided to try a quickie manual install, but ran into problems, which are a separate thread. Just one semi-related question here. Do I still need both LINGUAS and L10N in make.conf? On my desktop I currently have... LINGUAS="en en_US" L10N="en en-US" Walter, I have both of those in my make.confs on all gentoo systems. I'm not saying that's the best, but yes I have similar: LINGUAS="en_US" L10N="en-us" hth, James
Re: [gentoo-user] Quickest/easiest Gentoo install?
On 7/7/20 6:18 PM, james wrote: OK, sorry for hijacking my own (walter's) post, but this Verizon dying mail server, causes lots of bloated messages and misdirection. I just now figured out that's the bouncing messages source/problem. If those (VERIZON) idiots would just send out a message to move the users to another mail service/system, this could have been avoided a long time ago. Oh well SO, I found and old guide of how to set up postfix on Rasp pi systems. It's vintage 2014 but it a place to start. What breaks or does not work, I'll have to fix, or follow the suggestions posted to this list. https://samhobbs.co.uk/2013/12/raspberry-pi-email-server-part-1-postfix So tonight I'll try to order one or 2. Anyone interested, or already has R. Pi: https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Raspberry_Pi_3_64_bit_Install#History Any newer guide links are most welcome, especially Rpi-4. Surely there are more folks on this list than I that want a sub- $100 mail server that is low power, and thus can be left up 7x24, with a single IP address and DNS services or (2) more R.Pi. Running DNS primary services. (links to guides for DNS primaries on gentoo-R.pi. are most welcome. How doe this guide look for dns services on a RPi? https://www.ionos.com/digitalguide/server/configuration: /how-to-make-your-raspberry-pi-into-a-dns-server/ and this general reference https://github.com/sakaki-/gentoo-on-rpi-64bit On 7/7/20 3:33 PM, james wrote: Sorry for my email problems. I finally found out why things bounce/fail so often. From: Verizon Email Retirement https://www.verizon.com/support/residential/email And Frontier, current bandwidth supplier, as a spin-off from Verizon, is getting out of the email server services too. I'm not going down the Yahoo mail calamity pathway, so what choices do I have. So who do folks recommend for mail server services? Time to set up my own mail server (what I prefer to do). /usr/portage/mail-mta��� lists: sendmail (15 years since I rode/mastered that beast, but� well known. postfix (probable the best choice? Default simple/secure setups for either of these? I can get static IPs and have machines for a pair of primary dns (rasp pe 4?) servers and a mail server. Rasp pi 4 cluster of 2, 3, 4 ? Any other (temp) solutions for the mail server? I have been using thunderbird, but it seems like a good time to implement something newer/more-secure for the easiest install?
Re: [gentoo-user] Quickest/easiest Gentoo install?
On 7/7/20 3:33 PM, james wrote: On 7/6/20 6:10 PM, Walter Dnes wrote: �� I'd like to install Gentoo on an older Lenovo laptop with 3 gigs ram and 75 gigs disk.� Is there a "robo-installer script" for this? I want 1 partition (/dev/sda via lilo ) as ext3 and openrc.� I'll settle for a textconsole-only install if necessay, and tweak the kernel and build X as necessary. More links: https://gentoostudio.org/ http://redcorelinux.org/ and yes, PENTOO: pen testing and so much more; probably the coolest gentoo distro of them all! https://www.pentoo.ch/isos/ Need more? Please provide details: 32/64 bit arm/amd/intel processor? a particular (vintage) year? a list of what you want/need for the /var/lib/portage/world file (as I keep/archive) many versions of many packages I use. ? James Sorry for my email problems. I finally found out why things bounce/fail so often. From: Verizon Email Retirement https://www.verizon.com/support/residential/email And Frontier, current bandwidth supplier, as a spin-off from Verizon, is getting out of the email server services too. I'm not going down the Yahoo mail calamity pathway, so what choices do I have. So who do folks recommend for mail server services? Time to set up my own mail server (what I prefer to do). /usr/portage/mail-mta lists: sendmail (15 years since I rode/mastered that beast, but well known. postfix (probable the best choice? Default simple/secure setups for either of these? I can get static IPs and have machines for a pair of primary dns (rasp pe 4?) servers and a mail server. Rasp pi 4 cluster of 2, 3, 4 ? Any other (temp) solutions for the mail server? I have been using thunderbird, but it seems like a good time to implement something newer/more-secure for the easiest install?
Re: [gentoo-user] Quickest/easiest Gentoo install?
On 7/6/20 6:10 PM, Walter Dnes wrote: I'd like to install Gentoo on an older Lenovo laptop with 3 gigs ram and 75 gigs disk. Is there a "robo-installer script" for this? I want 1 partition (/dev/sda via lilo ) as ext3 and openrc. I'll settle for a textconsole-only install if necessay, and tweak the kernel and build X as necessary. More links: https://gentoostudio.org/ http://redcorelinux.org/ and yes, PENTOO: pen testing and so much more; probably the coolest gentoo distro of them all! https://www.pentoo.ch/isos/ Need more? Please provide details: 32/64 bit arm/amd/intel processor? a particular (vintage) year? a list of what you want/need for the /var/lib/portage/world file (as I keep/archive) many versions of many packages I use. ? James
Re: [gentoo-user] Quickest/easiest Gentoo install?
On 7/6/20 6:10 PM, Walter Dnes wrote: I'd like to install Gentoo on an older Lenovo laptop with 3 gigs ram and 75 gigs disk. Is there a "robo-installer script" for this? I want 1 partition (/dev/sda via lilo ) as ext3 and openrc. I'll settle for a textconsole-only install if necessay, and tweak the kernel and build X as necessary. OH, is it 32 bit or 64 bit ? if exclusively 32 bit, look at this page: https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Project:AMD64/32-bit_Chroot_Guide#Installation_of_a_32-bit_chroot James
Re: [gentoo-user] Quickest/easiest Gentoo install?
On 7/6/20 6:02 PM, Walter Dnes wrote: I'd like to install Gentoo on an older Lenovo laptop with 3 gigs ram and 75 gigs disk. Is there a "robo-installer script" for this? I want 1 partition (/dev/sda via lilo ) as ext3 and openrc. I'll settle for a textconsole-only install if necessay, and tweak the kernel and build X as necessary. Good news: I have dozens of potential solutions to what you seek. I will post a few, that best (potentially) satisfy your solution-request. Please let me know what your try and what is wrong with what I suggest. (it helps me). Bad news: I am currently very disorganized. 1. (Best; imho) https://wiki.cloveros.ga/CloverOS_GNU/Linux 2. (BEST; a tie) http://exgent.exton.net/ Both are new, gentoo centric and should work on a wide variety of newer and older hardware. Do provide more detail (processor, Mobo, major sytems) on your current target(s). With your deeper feedback, I have pointers to many other resources for (semi) automated gentoo installs. hth, James
Re: [gentoo-user] old kernel on Gentoo
On 6/21/20 6:31 AM, Raffaele BELARDI wrote: -Original Message- From: james Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2020 21:36 To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] old kernel on Gentoo On 6/17/20 12:52 PM, Raffaele BELARDI wrote: Hello, I might need to build and run an old 3.x kernel on a Desktop PC for some very specific tests. Would Gentoo be a good solution? I see that currently gentoo-sources only includes 4.x and 5.x sources. Thanks, raffaele I use a 3.18.40 kernel, currently, on one of my AMD systems. It has thousands of source build packages, not only from portage but many others. What about the rest of the system, in particular GCC and the C libraries? Do you manage to build the 3.x kernel with up to date system or do you need to ''freeze'' some packages? Thanks, raffaele Sorry I missed this. YES every thing else is up to date; sometimes I have to 'hack' at updates a few days, but most is current. Most of the old codes, are one's where I put the code and the ebuild together, for consistency. Ask me anything and I'll reply with the version number. In fact, many of the codes are ~ so they are the latest versions. The one caveat: python-2.7 is a mess and I have some codes using python 3.8 and are asking for 3.9 dev-lang/python Available versions: (2.7) 2.7.17-r2 2.7.18 (3.6) 3.6.10-r1(3.6/3.6m)^t 3.6.10-r2(3.6/3.6m)^t (3.7) 3.7.7-r1(3.7/3.7m)^t 3.7.7-r2(3.7/3.7m)^t ~3.7.8(3.7/3.7m)^t (3.8) 3.8.2-r1^t 3.8.2-r2^t ~3.8.3^t (3.9) ~3.9.0_alpha6^t ~3.9.0_beta1^t ~3.9.0_beta2^t ~3.9.0_beta3^t Sorry for the delayed response. hth, James
Re: [gentoo-user] What's with all these "acct-group" ebuilds recently?
On 6/26/20 4:40 PM, Rich Freeman wrote: On Fri, Jun 26, 2020 at 4:03 PM james wrote: So can some of the smarter (gentoo) folks illuminate how to totally avoid groups and users, except for the minimum required, application specific? For example like serial line tools, or outline a set of tweaks/setting to avoid these altogether? IMO if extra security is your goal then if anything you want to have MORE use of users rather than less. Everything should be least privilege, and usually that means having separate UIDs for everything, and then layering on stuff like namespaces/SELinux/capabilities/etc on top of that to further tailor things. OK, that's a pathway forward, that I no longer believe in, though viable. I think the days of systems design and implementation, that require a default, multi-user, scenario, are arcane and subject to many attack vectors. Granted many will and do disagree, and new pathways are rarely well lighted in my experiences. Of course the more config you have like this, the more there is to audit. However, you also have to consider the failure mode. When you have layers of security and some layer fails, chances are that the failure still results in more containment than what you would have had if you didn't build the layers in the first place. Security Schema are many and all are under attack. Most of what I need from a 'well behaved' collective of microprocessors and microcontrollers are in-house and need little (data) from the outside. The need to share outside is nice, but can be limited, dynamically for a wide variety of reason. The deep desire to share, in part-and-parcel, is to be human. For me, as a christian, its far deeper of a need, but that on me. Quick and automated shut-off, is a concept I like very, very much. Currently, the need to be able to "snap my fingers" and instantly isolate, is mostly prevented because our USA government forces chip manufacturers to put "bullshit and backdoors" into most all processors and controllers. That shit has to STOP. They, including our F. Feds do not have that right. If we do not fix this, SATAN gets control; hence the end-times are upon us, like a thief in the night. That's my belief and I know many that think it is too late, to fix. the first step is to have 100% of critical systems components manufactured in the USA. Each country can and should do their own thing. Leaders have now realized, letting folks that rule the large corporations, "have it their way" has landed up in a pile of problems. Now, one thing that would result in fewer UIDs is installing less stuff. Maybe that is what you're getting at, and of course reducing the attack surface is a good thing. However, keep in mind that a UID in /etc/passwd doesn't actually do anything if no process runs with that UID - it is just a line in a text file. So, having a uucp group when no processes have access to it doesn't really cause issues. unless the remotes can inject into that causal hardware relationship and exploit it? Who knows what lurks in them micro-codes of silicon these days much of the hardware has hidden Rf channels, well hidden and it requires quite expensive systems that the semiconductor companies provide, mostly to governments, on a use-to-be limited basis. That's why the USA is forcing AMD to bring 7-nm manufacturing to US soil, so they are under USA rule-sets. Makes the Mafia look like choir boys.. here's one publicized: https://www.zdnet.com/article/minix-intels-hidden-in-chip-operating-system/ and a bit deeper: https://freetechsforum.com/minix-%E2%80%8Bintels-hidden-chip-operating-system/ Removing the group doesn't actually make things more secure, because processes can use a gid even if it doesn't exist in /etc/groups. Effectively any POSIX system has every uid/gid available even if there is no /etc/passwd at all. And that is coded into the parts of the kernel, we cannot eliminate? Typical sploits? Curiously, a bit deeper explanation? I'm no expert at this stuff, but I am very interested to hear more, from your perspective and experiences which you are comfortable sharing. James
Re: [gentoo-user] What's with all these "acct-group" ebuilds recently?
On 6/26/20 4:36 PM, Jack wrote: On 2020.06.26 16:03, james wrote: On 6/26/20 12:38 PM, Daniel Frey wrote: On 6/20/20 7:04 PM, William Kenworthy wrote: Thanks for filing the bug. Gah! I forgot about this! I filed a bug now, I hope I made it clear enough. Others can pipe in there with comments if they like. I did indicate the two potential proposals to correct the issue in the bug itself. https://bugs.gentoo.org/729752 Dan BEFORE I contribute to this bug, I'm posting here to see if others are or have interest, in my thoughts on this issue and my related needs for extreme security, via Gentoo. Below is far from complete, but it only provides a very snippets of my (secure) pathway forward with Gentoo. Interesting thread, thanks to all contributors. I'd like to add 'my selfish' interest, as they also be espoused by other, more focused, gentoo users. INTRO: I rarely build gentoo systems, for many reasons, that are not pretty singularly focused. It drastically reduces security, performance and upgrade issues. For me, the days of a any system, having groups or users, are in the history books of very bad ideas. uP are so cheap and less than $100, gets you a very 'bad ass' computer (Rasp. Pi 4+) 16 G map-able ram. Furthermore, SOON, usb_4 devices are going to obsolete the entire concept of a 'hard drive'; hence the death (my prediction) of groups and users on multi-USER systems, albeit slowly. Multi-function, Multi-tasking, and light weight, focused transient clusters are the future. YMMV. So solving a problem, that was real and big, decades ago, fails to look at the future. For me, Gentoo is future proof. I suggest a well documented pathway forward; totally without the concept of groups and users, on a typical, highly secure system. Which is now the baseline for real systems, particularly with a ipv4 or ipv6 static ip, that provide focused and highly restricted functionalities. CA servers are going private, as the public and root CA servers, are suspect, at best, as to being pristinely secure. Yes boys and girls most Certificate Authorities are HACK! Even the main root CAs. The F. Feds are the original culprits, but now it is a feeding frenzy. The planet is now hacked, and groups and users concepts are the past. imho! Danger Will Robinson Danger! So can some of the smarter (gentoo) folks illuminate how to totally avoid groups and users, except for the minimum required, application specific? For example like serial line tools, or outline a set of tweaks/setting to avoid these altogether? I build embedded G. systems. I build single purpose G systems. I build security G. systems (often with the ethernet, in only listen mode. I build G. Firewalls. I build G. highly restricted/filtered servers. NONE of those need users or groups. And if they do, I can obfuscate codes to provide that need, to where filters and focused software gets what it needs to provide functions. Yep, I'm moving to a total 'State_Machine_design' for critical services. Strip out every thing else. Am I alone, or have/are others contemplating such high secure pathways? I'd be fantastic to find a kernel hacker that is on the pathway of extreme minimization too; private email is fine; if that is in your wheel_house. curiously alone?, James While you may not be alone, I do believe you're in a rather small group.? There are probably more who are interested in watching it progress than who can actually participate and contribute.? And while what you propose may well be part of the future, and it may even be a large part of it, it won't be so anywhere near soon enough to avoid the need to continue to improve current systems, even if the improvements are only usability related, and not directly related to security. Yep, Yep Yep. Um, now covid hit. We've been promised much more from the next 'virus'. Massive security problems, for all OSes, dispersed computational issues and such. So, a vision (dream?) of total self sufficiency, with packets of really secure content traversing the fibers of the world, and a few smart, empower techies running a given hub, sure we can solve the security issues. However, the big webs are mere wide spots on the highway and should readily be "dynamically" replaceable; never critically necessary for any astute user. And the F. Feds and their overseas counterpart? Are left behind in the dust, for good. I think you'll see a US presidential candidate, whom constitutionally, recognzes the US citizens have a fundamental (God given?) right to superior security, as long as they have a very clean legal record. Boy that's a twist: well behave citizens get superior security righs to F. Feds? Boy, that's going to be a popular idea, methinks. Actually, there are many Christian lawyers, who know of ancient documents and USA historical documents and letters that expound on those documents, where this is well established. NO question
Re: [gentoo-user] What's with all these "acct-group" ebuilds recently?
On 6/26/20 12:38 PM, Daniel Frey wrote: On 6/20/20 7:04 PM, William Kenworthy wrote: Thanks for filing the bug. Gah! I forgot about this! I filed a bug now, I hope I made it clear enough. Others can pipe in there with comments if they like. I did indicate the two potential proposals to correct the issue in the bug itself. https://bugs.gentoo.org/729752 Dan BEFORE I contribute to this bug, I'm posting here to see if others are or have interest, in my thoughts on this issue and my related needs for extreme security, via Gentoo. Below is far from complete, but it only provides a very snippets of my (secure) pathway forward with Gentoo. Interesting thread, thanks to all contributors. I'd like to add 'my selfish' interest, as they also be espoused by other, more focused, gentoo users. INTRO: I rarely build gentoo systems, for many reasons, that are not pretty singularly focused. It drastically reduces security, performance and upgrade issues. For me, the days of a any system, having groups or users, are in the history books of very bad ideas. uP are so cheap and less than $100, gets you a very 'bad ass' computer (Rasp. Pi 4+) 16 G map-able ram. Furthermore, SOON, usb_4 devices are going to obsolete the entire concept of a 'hard drive'; hence the death (my prediction) of groups and users on multi-USER systems, albeit slowly. Multi-function, Multi-tasking, and light weight, focused transient clusters are the future. YMMV. So solving a problem, that was real and big, decades ago, fails to look at the future. For me, Gentoo is future proof. I suggest a well documented pathway forward; totally without the concept of groups and users, on a typical, highly secure system. Which is now the baseline for real systems, particularly with a ipv4 or ipv6 static ip, that provide focused and highly restricted functionalities. CA servers are going private, as the public and root CA servers, are suspect, at best, as to being pristinely secure. Yes boys and girls most Certificate Authorities are HACK! Even the main root CAs. The F. Feds are the original culprits, but now it is a feeding frenzy. The planet is now hacked, and groups and users concepts are the past. imho! Danger Will Robinson Danger! So can some of the smarter (gentoo) folks illuminate how to totally avoid groups and users, except for the minimum required, application specific? For example like serial line tools, or outline a set of tweaks/setting to avoid these altogether? I build embedded G. systems. I build single purpose G systems. I build security G. systems (often with the ethernet, in only listen mode. I build G. Firewalls. I build G. highly restricted/filtered servers. NONE of those need users or groups. And if they do, I can obfuscate codes to provide that need, to where filters and focused software gets what it needs to provide functions. Yep, I'm moving to a total 'State_Machine_design' for critical services. Strip out every thing else. Am I alone, or have/are others contemplating such high secure pathways? I'd be fantastic to find a kernel hacker that is on the pathway of extreme minimization too; private email is fine; if that is in your wheel_house. curiously alone?, James
Re: [gentoo-user] R.pi 64 bit with 8/16 G ram?
On 6/20/20 1:12 AM, urp...@gmx.com wrote: On Fri, Jun 19, 2020 at 01:36:29PM -0400, james wrote: Folks, Now, if/when this devices "is shipping", I can finally build out a 12VDC pickup camper gentoo centric "deep woods" mobile dev_shop. I kid you not: "Upton says the 64-bit image is for power users who want to map all 8GB into the address space of a single process. It's currently in beta and misses several key features, but once ready it will provide a 64-bit alternative to 64-bit versions of Ubuntu and Gentoo." GENTOO? Wonder who is behind that bit of work? https://www.zdnet.com/article/new-raspberry-pi-4-8gb-ram-model-out-now-for-75-plus-you-get-a-new-64-bit-os/?ftag=TRE-03-10aaa6b=29128215408769320614767878147805=12853938=2217268782 No kidding: "Even the Raspberry Pi beginner's guide had a reference to an 8GB variant, while the Pi 4's Broadcom BCM2711 chip supports up to 16GB of LPDDR4 SDRAM." 16 G on a pi? I'm all in. Can Anyone verify this offer? curiously, James Yeah! "deep woods" I like it. I wanna make a mobile 12V system too. 12 VDC is pretty standard now for RV, boats and many environments. It's about finding, testing and deploying advanced gentoo systems on 12VDC where is can turn into a remote, secure palace. Surely I'll post, when my vision is ready. I think, for me, usb4 is also quintessentially important. Jump into gentoo-embedded to find out what's going on any time. embedded and 12VDC, are synonymous, imho. Microwaves, TVs, audio systems and host of other "fun-toys" can also all run on 12VDC. Bye the way, deep woods is quite similar to ski-lodge, cross-ocean cruising, mountain climbing, arctic retreat, island living, ranch-cabin, horse-back-camping etc etc. 12 vdc can store energy on batteries, such as optimas, yellow-top & redtop & bluetop and all sorts of exotic metal based batteries. A small energy footprint, is good for the earth, and 12vdc brings folks "closer together" so it is the ultimate e4nergy source on cozy nights with the ones you love Diverting money from the large electric grid operators? priceless
Re: [gentoo-user] old kernel on Gentoo
On 6/18/20 4:02 PM, Rich Freeman wrote: On Thu, Jun 18, 2020 at 3:35 PM james wrote: I use a 3.18.40 kernel, currently, on one of my AMD systems. It has thousands of source build packages, not only from portage but many others. Keep in mind that you're running a non-longterm kernel, which means that if there is a known regression or security issue in your kernel, a kernel update to fix it wouldn't be provided upstream. If you were running 3.16 or 4.4 you would get these updates. If you plan to stick with a kernel for a very long time you should try to pick one that is designated as a longterm kernel. 3.16.85 was released just a week ago. It obviously doesn't get very frequent updates, but if something important comes along they'll release a fix. I'd have to check the timelines but you might have unmitigated Spectre vulnerabilities in that kernel. Also, you mention AMD. If you happen to be using a Ryzen processor there were a number of updates to the kernel to better support it. I forget which kernels have these but if you don't have those patches you'd probably benefit from an upgrade. If you have a pre-Ryzen CPU then that won't matter much. I completely agree that you can get away with a longterm kernel and there are a lot of reasons for doing so. I just recommend sticking with one that actually is supported. Agreed. It just happened that way; no planning Yep all of the embedded devices where pre-Ryzen, as well at the amd-15 chipsets of the old hosts, where a plethora of codes live. Definitely not suggesting that pathway and I never intended to get that deep into embedded; it just happened. I was just trying to 'inspire' folks on older codes and such. In an ideal life, I'd be getting a HH-50! https://www.hhcatamarans.com/hh50 Harboring it on Sugarloaf Key (east) of Key West a few miles) and forgetting how to spell Gentoo. Of coarse that would mean I'd have to have a few (coding) youngsters that like the aero-nautical life style. I rarely get to live out a properly planned life. My Gentoo Foo is definitely a mess... https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/57-Palm-Dr-Key-West-FL-33040/2101168547_zpid/?mmlb=g,0 For me, HOPE is a dream, being totally (gentoo and codes) ORGANIZED; wishful thinking. Thank you Rich, James
Re: [gentoo-user] old kernel on Gentoo
On 6/17/20 12:52 PM, Raffaele BELARDI wrote: Hello, I might need to build and run an old 3.x kernel on a Desktop PC for some very specific tests. Would Gentoo be a good solution? I see that currently gentoo-sources only includes 4.x and 5.x sources. Thanks, raffaele I use a 3.18.40 kernel, currently, on one of my AMD systems. It has thousands of source build packages, not only from portage but many others. Occasionally, I have to use another AMD system, with a newer kernel. I have many old codes, centric to a version 3 of the kernel, that would be a massive pita to move to a 5 version of the kernel. There are plans, as many are related to hybrid-optimized cluster that are NOT centric to the popular cluster codes. Home made 'systolic array processing' is just one legacy collective of old codes, I still use. Many embedded (gentoo) devs still use very old linux kernels for a wide variety of reasons. Products often developed do not change much, except to update the firmware for a strong reason. Thousands (millions?) of companies use very old linux codes, including kernels for a plethora or reason. They just do not publish it. The old stuff, if beautiful compared to much of the bloat-ware we have today. From linux kernels to cluster*. I still run codes on 386/486 machines, just for grins and as a seed for codes that are minimized. IoT from the big vendors is so bloated, they cannot even find problems. Old embedded (gentoo) linux codes run so fast, reliable and easy to collect performance data. You go down this path, its a game-changer. An addition, as minimalist coding and small, secure executables are an artform. Most of the semiconductor manufactures, are *ALWAYS* looking for those types of coders. Hello (TI)! So, YES old gentoo is very alive amongst minimalist and corporations. ymmv. I've run into many that keep incredicle trees of old, reliable codes. They are often much easier for an EE to use in verification of functions, Micro-Controllers, FPGA, etc etc etc. hth, James
Re: [gentoo-user] Raspberry Pi with 8GB
On 6/8/20 8:27 PM, Alexandru N. Barloiu wrote: On Mon, 2020-06-08 at 20:16 -0400, james wrote: Any pointers to codes that create a cluster and run on 64Bit arm low power boards is welcome to post to this thread, or drop me a private note. There is no such thing as cluster for arm. It's just daemons. You equip each pi with the things it's going to need. You treat them as normal computers. Huh. Well, I've run across dozens of projects, some as old as 2015. Sure, I have not 'dug into' the details, but they seem to be quite common:: https://magpi.raspberrypi.org/articles/build-a-raspberry-pi-cluster-computer https://makezine.com/projects/build-a-compact-4-node-raspberry-pi-cluster/ https://projects.raspberrypi.org/en/projects/build-an-octapi/ https://www.hackster.io/aallan/a-4-node-raspberry-pi-cluster-e19273 Granted, the term 'cluster' in the linux world is as open as the word 'cocktail' at a social gathering; ymmv. If you don't know how to start... https://gentoo.osuosl.org/experimental/arm64/ Great link. But I typically avoid all things 'systemD' centric. (no discussion, just my preference). However I did find this stage 4: stage4-arm64-minimal-20190115.tar.bz2 at https://gentoo.osuosl.org/experimental/arm64/old/ Any idea how chip specific this stage 4 for arm64 is? there are actually some modern stage3 images. I suggest you google how to emulate arm64 using qemu-static. google crossdev as well. There are wonderful resources on the forums, some of which I participated in. Not applicable. there are always a myriad of nuances with this approach, as I often stray into unique and exotic hardware extensions. Some run 'clusters' on a collective of ity-bity IoT devices, cause they are fairly close together over Rf links. Folks at the companies that build chipsets, are very advanced in this venue. Most of it is DoD related and quite hush_hush. A billionaires club, so to accurately categorize. But there is no issue with gentoo folks finding their own pathways forward with clustering arm/micro devices. It is the future and even IoT security semantics will be based on each (I0T) nodes performance metrics as opposed to traditional security (bloated) codes. These IoT comm links, are like a predictable wave. Monitoring the wave, in the RF domain, shows where and when a small portion of (for example) field IoT sensors are stressed (under a heavier load than normal. So you do not have to strictly depend on specific codes and filters to detect anomalies. Monitor and matching of various domains yields startling results. BATM it is more of an art from than consistent technology. Surely the good folks of Gentoo will validate a pathway forward. What I have discovered is there are an enormous amount of very technical folks that routinely use gentoo, but keep it a secret. Good luck and happy hacking. Gentoo, hacking and exotic hardware are more of an addiction than a source of joy. Be at peace. and THANKS for the link, James
Re: [gentoo-user] Raspberry Pi with 8GB
On 6/8/20 2:36 PM, Michael Jones wrote: On Sun, Jun 7, 2020 at 8:40 PM james <mailto:gar...@verizon.net>> wrote: Gentoo Folks, Has anyone ported gentoo to the newest Raspberry Pi with 8 gig of ram? https://www.admin-magazine.com/News/Raspberry-Pi-with-8GB-of-RAM-Now-Available If so, I'd be curious as to your performance and using it as a workstation or mobile/laptop. https://projects.raspberrypi.org/en/projects/raspberry-pi-setting-up None of the usual gentoo embedded sites I have search list gentoo on this device. All input is welcome. 8GB on a 64 bit arm low power (embedded) board, or a cluster of 4+ such boards is of keen interest to my new, gentoo centric low power goals. TIA, James This is the current state of the art, as far as I am aware. https://github.com/sakaki-/gentoo-on-rpi-64bit Very cool link ! I'm going to try to buy 4; with the 8 gig of ram. I want to build a cluster out of them, for an accelerated portable gentoo system(s). Any pointers to codes that create a cluster and run on 64Bit arm low power boards is welcome to post to this thread, or drop me a private note. thx, James
[gentoo-user] Raspberry Pi with 8GB
Gentoo Folks, Has anyone ported gentoo to the newest Raspberry Pi with 8 gig of ram? https://www.admin-magazine.com/News/Raspberry-Pi-with-8GB-of-RAM-Now-Available If so, I'd be curious as to your performance and using it as a workstation or mobile/laptop. https://projects.raspberrypi.org/en/projects/raspberry-pi-setting-up None of the usual gentoo embedded sites I have search list gentoo on this device. All input is welcome. 8GB on a 64 bit arm low power (embedded) board, or a cluster of 4+ such boards is of keen interest to my new, gentoo centric low power goals. TIA, James
Re: [gentoo-user] Hard drive screws
On 6/7/20 5:24 PM, Dale wrote: antlists wrote: On 07/06/2020 10:50, J. Roeleveld wrote: On 7 June 2020 09:41:16 CEST, antlists wrote: On 06/06/2020 20:14, J. Roeleveld wrote: One of my old cases had plastic strips with little sticks on them that would fit into the screwholes. Those strips would then slot into the mounting points for the disks. No messing around with screws and really easy to swap drives. They would be perfectly mounted as well. Too bad I don't see the same with most other cases. I remember that. Compaqs with 75 MEGA Hz cpu's iirc. Cheers, Wol Not just Compaq. I think mine was a coolermaster case at the time. Toolless hotswap is a useful feature when regularly swapping drives. These weren't hotswap (just ordinary IDE), but it's a damn sight easier putting the rails on a drive on a desk, rather than putting the screws in a drive in a case :-) Cheers, Wol My Cooler Master HAF-932 has no screws for drives either.� It has those plastic frames with these rubber and metal pins that take the place of screws.� Once the frame is inserted into the drive cage, those pins can't let go of the drive.� I might add, if the pins are inserted properly, the plastic frame won't go into the cage either. I like the design part but I hope the plastic part never breaks. They ain't cheap or easy to find at times. Oh, my mobo supports hot swap SATA so all are hot swappable too. I'm not sure if I have a IDE connector.� It might but I'm not sure. Dale :-)� :-) Dale, It's a bit late now, but here goes. When I spend money, I always request the entire box of parts, for the mobo, drives, gpu cards, etc etc. Most vendors will talk to direct, over email, chat etc. I then have plastic organizer boxes with dozens or more small compartments and lids to these boxes. So I save all sorts of screws, from 30 years back to now, always. It's a bit of an extreme, but as an avid hardware hacker, I use those collections, almost weekly to fix/enhance mounts, cases, antennas and all sorts of custom rigs... Also, you can find collections of such for less than $50 on the net. Great to have, but I have over 1,000 sq. ft. or more of all sorts of new and old hardware I've collected up over the decades. Skycraft in Orlando is just one of many great places to purchase inexpensive excess hardware. https://skycraftsurplus.com/ Also, local computer shops will sell you hordes of excess screws and such; just talk to them. When you are spending money, it is real easy to collect up excess screws and such from most vendors, for next to nothing. But then, I hardware hack of hundreds/thousands of different hardware systems. hth, James
Re: [gentoo-user] printing pdfs
On 5/29/20 1:20 AM, Ashley Dixon wrote: On Thu, May 28, 2020 at 04:11:46PM -0400, james wrote: Pdfs are becoming a challenge to print. I'm sure I'll be printing pdf files for decades to come. So what application/strategy gets me past errors like this: "Cannot mix incompatible Qt library (version 0x50e01) with this library (version 0x50e02)" How is your printer connected ? If it's using The Common Unix Print System (C.U.P.S.) as many do, try the lpr command (from `net-print/cups`). The server on which C.U.P.S.\ is running is specified with the `-H ` argument, and various options can be specified with `-o `. To take the example from the man page of lpr: Print a double-sided legal document to a printer called "foo": $ lpr -P foo -o media=legal -o sides=two-sided-long-edge filename If your printer is remote, as mine is (on a server called `genserv`), you can do the following: $ lpr -H genserv -o sides=two-sided-long-edge paper.pdf works great ! This is not a suggestion that you abandon the issue of mismatched Qt library versions, but rather a simple workaround to use while the various Qt programs get up-to-date with the latest versions of the libraries. Yea, the QT issues, happen every time the bleeding edge (of qt) releases. Once I get the packages all upgraded, the bleeding edge qt stuff works great (thanks to all the gentooers that work on qt!). Providing C.U.P.S.\ is configured correctly with all the appropriate `ppd` files for your particular printer model, lpr should work out-of-the-box. After thumping all teh cups codes, it works again, but some office files from a pc that were originated in europe, cause the print to hickup. The hp printer complained about version 1 version 2 on the tiny hp display. Rebooted several times and all my linux printing started working again. I have the original hp firmware (10 years old). I do not trust the updated hp firmwares, for several reason Thanks Ashley
Re: [gentoo-user] printing pdfs
On 5/30/20 3:58 AM, Neil Bothwick wrote: On Fri, 29 May 2020 18:30:21 -0400, james wrote: Correct. I tried to trim it down. So here is the full output: # eix --category dev-qt --installed --compact [?] dev-qt/designer (5.14.2(5/5.14)@05/24/2020 -> 5.13.2(5/5.13)^t): WYSIWYG tool for designing and building graphical user interfaces with QtWidgets [?] dev-qt/linguist-tools (5.14.2(5/5.14)@05/24/2020 -> (~)5.14.1(5/5.14)^t): Tools for working with Qt translation data files [I] dev-qt/qt-creator (4.8.2@05/24/2020): Lightweight IDE for C++/QML development centering around Qt For a much easier to parse (and more email friendly) output, try qlist -ICv dev-qt/ Thx Neil && Jack: # qlist -ICv dev-qt/ dev-qt/designer-5.14.2 dev-qt/linguist-5.14.2 dev-qt/linguist-tools-5.14.2 dev-qt/qt-creator-4.8.2 dev-qt/qt-docs-5.14.2_p202003291239 dev-qt/qt3d-5.14.2 dev-qt/qtchooser-66 dev-qt/qtconcurrent-5.14.2 dev-qt/qtcore-5.14.2 dev-qt/qtdatavis3d-5.14.2 dev-qt/qtdbus-5.14.2 dev-qt/qtdeclarative-5.14.2 dev-qt/qtdiag-5.14.2 dev-qt/qtgraphicaleffects-5.14.2 dev-qt/qtgui-5.14.2 dev-qt/qthelp-5.14.2 dev-qt/qtimageformats-5.14.2 dev-qt/qtlockedfile-2.4.1_p20171024 dev-qt/qtmultimedia-5.14.2 dev-qt/qtnetwork-5.14.2 dev-qt/qtopengl-5.14.2 dev-qt/qtpositioning-5.14.2 dev-qt/qtprintsupport-5.14.2 dev-qt/qtquickcontrols-5.14.1 dev-qt/qtscript-5.14.2 dev-qt/qtsingleapplication-2.6.1_p20171024 dev-qt/qtsql-5.14.2 dev-qt/qtsvg-5.14.1 dev-qt/qttest-5.14.2 dev-qt/qtwayland-5.14.2 dev-qt/qtwebchannel-5.14.2 dev-qt/qtwebengine-5.14.2 dev-qt/qtwebkit-5.212.0_pre20200309-r1 dev-qt/qtwidgets-5.14.2 dev-qt/qtx11extras-5.14.2 qlist -ICv dev-qt/ | wc -l 36 Those are the installed. It's trying to upgrade to the latest: It's trying now to downgrade any to 5.13.2, or 5.14.1 etc. I'd rather just block them for now until the 5.14.2 stabilizes? Any quick (syntax) suggestions on locking into the newest offerings for qt* would be keen, as what I have tried, to date, does not seem to placate the qt_beast. Since purging python 2.7 pathway is underhand (not complaining) I figured I might as well be up on the latest qt*, as the newest codes always seem to work for me. My next gentoo install will be all testing/edge codes. Note: I also use a wide variety of secondary sources for ebuilds, for example: sync-uri = rsync://roverlay.dev.gentoo.org/roverlay I suspect the problem(s), that are recurring upgrades with qt* may be do to the latest release of qt packages, these extra repos, or something unknown to me as a necessary sequence to upgrade qt packages. It is a recurring problem. hth, James
Re: [gentoo-user] printing pdfs
On 5/28/20 7:34 PM, Jack wrote: On 2020.05.28 19:04, james wrote: On 5/28/20 4:30 PM, Francesco Turco wrote: On Thu, May 28, 2020, at 22:11, james wrote: So what application/strategy gets me past errors like this: "Cannot mix incompatible Qt library (version 0x50e01) with this library (version 0x50e02)" Which application are you printing from? I guess it's a Qt application. In that case, please verify that all packages in the dev-qt category on your system have the same version number. You can use eix, for example: $ eix --category dev-qt --installed --compact 35 matches. Yes I run lxde and many qt codes. Perhaps better these are currenly blocked (will not update) qt: U ~] dev-qt/qtcore-5.15.0 [5.14.2] �U ~] dev-qt/qtxml-5.15.0 [5.14.2] U dev-qt/qtnetwork-5.15.0 [5.14.2] USE="-libressl%" U ~] dev-qt/qttest-5.15.0 [5.14.2] U ~] dev-qt/qtdbus-5.15.0 [5.14.2] U ~] dev-qt/qtgui-5.15.0 [5.14.2] U ~] dev-qt/qtx11extras-5.15.0 [5.14.2] U ~] dev-qt/qtwidgets-5.15.0 [5.14.2] U ~] dev-qt/qtdeclarative-5.15.0 [5.14.2] U ~] dev-qt/qtopengl-5.15.0 [5.14.2] U ~] dev-qt/linguist-tools-5.15.0 [5.14.2] U ~] dev-qt/qtmultimedia-5.15.0 [5.14.2] U ~] dev-qt/qtpositioning-5.15.0 [5.14.2] U ~] dev-qt/qtwayland-5.15.0 [5.14.2] U ~] dev-python/qtawesome-0.7.2 [0.7.1] That's not output from the above command (dev-python wouldn't be there.)� Please show the output of the above eix command, or perhaps try "eix-installed -a | grep dev-qt" for another look to be sure all are at the same version. Correct. I tried to trim it down. So here is the full output: # eix --category dev-qt --installed --compact [?] dev-qt/designer (5.14.2(5/5.14)@05/24/2020 -> 5.13.2(5/5.13)^t): WYSIWYG tool for designing and building graphical user interfaces with QtWidgets [?] dev-qt/linguist-tools (5.14.2(5/5.14)@05/24/2020 -> (~)5.14.1(5/5.14)^t): Tools for working with Qt translation data files [I] dev-qt/qt-creator (4.8.2@05/24/2020): Lightweight IDE for C++/QML development centering around Qt [?] dev-qt/qt-docs (5.14.2_p202003291239(5)@05/24/2020 -> 5.13.2_p201910220817(5)): Qt5 documentation, for use with Qt Creator and other tools [?] dev-qt/qt3d (5.14.2(5/5.14)@05/26/2020 -> 5.13.2(5/5.13)^t): 3D rendering module for the Qt5 framework [I] dev-qt/qtchooser (66@11/06/2019): Tool to quickly switch between multiple Qt installations [?] dev-qt/qtconcurrent (5.14.2(5/5.14)@05/15/2020 -> (~)5.14.1(5/5.14)^t): Multi-threading concurrence support library for the Qt5 framework [?] dev-qt/qtcore (5.14.2(5/5.14.2)@05/15/2020 -> (~)5.14.1-r1(5/5.14)^t): Cross-platform application development framework [?] dev-qt/qtdatavis3d (5.14.2(5/5.14)@05/24/2020 -> 5.13.2(5/5.13)^t): 3D data visualization library for the Qt5 framework [?] dev-qt/qtdbus (5.14.2(5/5.14)@05/15/2020 -> (~)5.14.1(5/5.14)^t): Qt5 module for inter-process communication over the D-Bus protocol [?] dev-qt/qtdeclarative (5.14.2(5/5.14)@05/15/2020 -> (~)5.14.1-r1(5/5.14)^t): The QML and Quick modules for the Qt5 framework [?] dev-qt/qtdiag (5.14.2(5/5.14)@05/24/2020 -> ~5.14.1(5/5.14)^t): Tool for reporting diagnostic information about Qt and its environment [?] dev-qt/qtgraphicaleffects (5.14.2(5/5.14)@05/24/2020 -> 5.13.2(5/5.13)^t): Set of QML types for adding visual effects to user interfaces [?] dev-qt/qtgui (5.14.2(5/5.14.2)@05/15/2020 -> (~)5.14.1-r3(5/5.14.1)^t): The GUI module and platform plugins for the Qt5 framework [?] dev-qt/qthelp (5.14.2(5/5.14)@05/24/2020 -> 5.13.2(5/5.13)^t): Qt5 module for integrating online documentation into applications [?] dev-qt/qtimageformats (5.14.2(5/5.14)@05/24/2020 -> 5.13.2(5/5.13)^t): Additional format plugins for the Qt image I/O system [I] dev-qt/qtlockedfile (2.4.1_p20171024@11/12/2019): QFile extension with advisory locking functions [?] dev-qt/qtmultimedia (5.14.2(5/5.14)@05/24/2020 -> (~)5.14.1(5/5.14)^t): Multimedia (audio, video, radio, camera) library for the Qt5 framework [?] dev-qt/qtnetwork (5.14.2(5/5.14)@05/15/2020 -> (~)5.14.1(5/5.14)^t): Network abstraction library for the Qt5 framework [?] dev-qt/qtopengl (5.14.2(5/5.14)@05/24/2020 -> (~)5.14.1(5/5.14)^t): OpenGL support library for the Qt5 framework (deprecated) [?] dev-qt/qtpositioning (5.14.2(5/5.14)@05/15/2020 -> (~)5.14.1(5/5.14)^t): Physical position determination library for the Qt5 framework [?] dev-qt/qtprintsupport (5.14.2(5/5.14)@05/24/2020 -> (~)5.14.1(5/5.14)^t): Printing support library for the Qt5 framework [I] dev-qt/qtquickcontrols (5.14.1(5/5.14)@02/21/2020): Set of Qt Quick controls to create complete user interfaces (deprecated) [?] dev-qt/qtscript (5.14.2(5/5.14)@05/24/2020 -> (~)5.14.1(5/5.14)^t): Application scripting library for the Qt5 framework (deprecated) [I] dev-qt/qtsingleapplication (2.6.1_p20171024@11/12/2019): Qt library to start applications only once per user [?] dev-qt/qtsql (5.14.2(5/5.14.2)@05/24
[gentoo-user] printing pdfs
comrades, Pdfs are becoming a challenge to print. I'm sure I'll be printing pdf files for decades to come. So what application/strategy gets me past errors like this: "Cannot mix incompatible Qt library (version 0x50e01) with this library (version 0x50e02)" Not being able to print pdf files is simply a no-go for me. I have no intention of converting 10K+ pdf files to another format... Suggestions are most welcome, as what I have google-read, it's a mess and I'm no closer to a gentoo centric solution. James
Re: [gentoo-user] printing pdfs
On 5/28/20 4:30 PM, Francesco Turco wrote: On Thu, May 28, 2020, at 22:11, james wrote: So what application/strategy gets me past errors like this: "Cannot mix incompatible Qt library (version 0x50e01) with this library (version 0x50e02)" Which application are you printing from? I guess it's a Qt application. In that case, please verify that all packages in the dev-qt category on your system have the same version number. You can use eix, for example: $ eix --category dev-qt --installed --compact 35 matches. Yes I run lxde and many qt codes. Perhaps better these are currenly blocked (will not update) qt: U ~] dev-qt/qtcore-5.15.0 [5.14.2] U ~] dev-qt/qtxml-5.15.0 [5.14.2] U dev-qt/qtnetwork-5.15.0 [5.14.2] USE="-libressl%" U ~] dev-qt/qttest-5.15.0 [5.14.2] U ~] dev-qt/qtdbus-5.15.0 [5.14.2] U ~] dev-qt/qtgui-5.15.0 [5.14.2] U ~] dev-qt/qtx11extras-5.15.0 [5.14.2] U ~] dev-qt/qtwidgets-5.15.0 [5.14.2] U ~] dev-qt/qtdeclarative-5.15.0 [5.14.2] U ~] dev-qt/qtopengl-5.15.0 [5.14.2] U ~] dev-qt/linguist-tools-5.15.0 [5.14.2] U ~] dev-qt/qtmultimedia-5.15.0 [5.14.2] U ~] dev-qt/qtpositioning-5.15.0 [5.14.2] U ~] dev-qt/qtwayland-5.15.0 [5.14.2] U ~] dev-python/qtawesome-0.7.2 [0.7.1] Not staying up with the very latest qt packages, causes even more problems. I usually have to wait, up to 7 days, as the others trickle in and the all the qt packages will install. Sometime I have to remove them all, then do the upgrade. This is the first time it has affected pdf files. Palemoon will not even load pdfs, at least this version:: NewMoon: 28.9.3 (the unofficial build of PaleMoon.) I'll guess I just wait a few days and see what trickles in on qqt upgrades: (dev-qt/qtcore-5.15.0:5/5.15.0::gentoo, ebuild scheduled for merge) USE="icu -debug -old-kernel (-systemd) -test" ABI_X86="(64)" conflicts with ~dev-qt/qtcore-5.14.2:5/5.14.2= required by (dev-qt/qtnetwork-5.14.2:5/5.14::gentoo, installed) USE="ssl -bindist -connman -debug -gssapi -libproxy -networkmanager -sctp -test" ABI_X86="(64)" ^^^ ~dev-qt/qtcore-5.14.2 required by (dev-qt/qtgraphicaleffects-5.14.2:5/5.14::gentoo, installed) USE="-debug -test" ABI_X86="(64)" ^ ^^ ~dev-qt/qtcore-5.14.2:5= required by (dev-qt/qtxml-5.14.2:5/5.14::gentoo, installed) USE="-debug -test" ABI_X86="(64)" ^ ^^ ~dev-qt/qtcore-5.14.2:5/5.14.2= required by (dev-qt/qtdiag-5.14.2:5/5.14::gentoo, installed) USE="network widgets -debug -test" ABI_X86="(64)"
Re: [gentoo-user] Courier Sub-addressing
On 5/21/20 4:14 PM, Ashley Dixon wrote: Hello, I am attempting to set up sub-addressing on my Courier mail server, allowing senders to directly deliver messages to a particular folder in my mailbox. For example, I want to provide my University with the address `ash-academicmatt...@suugaku.co.uk` to force all their messages into the "AcademicMatters" subdirectory. Unfortunately, I can't find any official Courier documentation regarding sub-addressing. I have found [1], however I'm not sure it will apply as I am using virtual mailboxes. When attempting to send e-mail to myself using sub-addressing, my server complains that the address is not found in the virtual users table, suggesting that it is entirely unaware of the sub-addressing notation. Has anyone here managed to get this working ? I believe it is sometimes referred to as "plus-addressing", however it seems that Courier uses a hyphen as opposed to a plus symbol (+). Cheers, Ashley. [1] https://www.talisman.org/~erlkonig/misc/courier-email-subaddressing/ Hello Ashley, Yes, but with mail-client/Thunderbird. The tricks (with thunderbird) are mostly related to how you set up your filters, and the order of the filters. On thunderbird the 'message filters' under the three horizontal bars on the top right of the base screen, is the starting point. Then I have to click various selections, sometimes 2 or 3 times. It's tricky with thunderbird and filtering incoming mail, ymmv. No clue on a courier mail server. BUT, I'd be most interested in testing/verifying what you come up with, as thunderbird is a very bloated pig of an app. And I'm looking for a unified system where email, broweser-links, local edited files (vi/vim/etc) and browser saved files and links are all unified into one 'common-logical' viewer/storage renders the various way we can save data, whether local or net-based resources. I'd be most interested in *any* unifying scheme, gentoo-centric. 30++ years of linux/bsd/linux has given me a very rich source of resources, docs and wonderful emails. But data-harvesting needs a modern approach. /usr/portage/mail-* does not have many robust and secure options. I've even thought about returning to a sendmail server, as a unifying start, but that's probably not a wise idea. Do post your findings, as I'm sure others would appreciate a robust (gentoo) solution, particularly if the feature list supports cell phones (android and/or apple cell phones) and those text/emails. hth, James
Re: [gentoo-user] Ventoy: bootable USB drive for ISO files
On 5/5/20 11:21 AM, Walter Dnes wrote: On Sun, May 03, 2020 at 09:04:27PM -0400, james wrote Yep, but I cannot find either file anywhere? Still searching for those (2017)an jan2020 images: Gentoo install-amd64-minimal-20200119T214502Z.iso livedvd-amd64-hardened-nomultilib-20170118.iso Let me know/post if there is a place actually download these iso files? The file names change with every new build, i.e. the build date is part of the file name, and the docs included the filename at the time. Simply go to https://gentoo.org/downloads/ and download "Minimal Installation CD" for amd64. Or is there some hard-coded dependancy that requires a specific build date file? thx, James
Re: [gentoo-user] Is Gentoo dead?
On 5/6/20 11:39 PM, Dale wrote: Pengcheng Xu wrote: Sorry for possible necroposting, but I'm pretty interested what's happening in this thread, as there seems to be detailed discussion on topics under this "Is Gentoo dead?" clickbait subject. The whole conversation list does not even fit in a single screen... Would someone kindly provide some clue what's going on? Regards, Well, it is about Gentoo and the perception someone had that Gentoo is dying, which has been claimed for many, many years now.� Then the thread started taking off into other directions.� It got slightly off topic, very off topic a couple times and then back on topic. These threads tend to bring out quite a few responses and most can't resist posting, myself included in that as well.� I might add, there threads are usually started by a newcomer and typically they disappear when they realize how active Gentoo really is.� The OP for this thread posted for a couple days and I don't see any posts after that.� Most likely, unsubscribed and long gone. If you enjoy using Gentoo, or if you don't, if you skip this thread, you won't be missing a whole lot.� I don't recall any breaking news or life saving tips in it.� ROFL Dale :-)� :-) Spot on. Similarly, folks, mostly youngsters, have been predicting the death of 'C'. There are a multitude of reasons C is still the go to language and ought to be mandatory for folks to learn BEFORE any other language. C gives us freedom, and with C, there is no Unix, BSD, or linux, ymmv. Go read this before bashing an old computer scientist: "Programming language C is back in the number one spot" https://www.tiobe.com/tiobe-index/ So I wonder how many of the Gentoo naysayers, actually have written any significant code in C? Pointer please. Arguably the hottest piece of code, was written (mostly) by a Gentoo aficionado: none other that Jason Donefeld, in guess what language? C Gentoo is C centric, since the beginning, whilst enabling a plethora of other languages, that have their place and are, for the most part, wonderful. Anyone attacks, or speaks poorly of Gentoo, is pretty much clueless. Last time I looked, it's still rated as one of the top Linux distros, of all time, when you consider a 20 year perspective. Today, Gentoo seeks to run off the lazy, the inept and those that want to trivialize computational complexities.Ubuntu, Mint and others are more well suited for the masses, the lazy and the inept. Not to mention Gentoo was the foundation of CoreOS. CoreOS advance many 'hot swap kernel' tricks and was purchased by Redhat, as Traditional Redhat is arcane, crusty and bloated. IBM, on their deathbed, has purchased Redhat(basically a gentoo derivative now) and is failing in most of their other business dealings; because they lack real computer scientists in their upper management. Gentoo was, always has, and is still 'kicking ass'; real coders know this, they just keep silent, cause they are MAKING MONEY, off of Gentoo. Gentoo Embedded is a whole other EMPIRE, where folks take credit for building products on embedded systems. GENTOO is still the world's greatest secret in computer science. Here's a tidbit: The hacker, from the inside, that's right an IBM employee at Watson, used Gentoo to hack the shit out of AIX. That was at the point, the main reason, IBM abandoned that looser distro call AIX. Now IBM, via purchasing RedHat (coreOS <== Gentoo) has taken over 20 years, to realize GENTOO is the greatest linux distro of all time. So I cannot help but feel sorry, for the kids, that the universities do not teach C/Unix/BSD/Linux with any dose of credibility. New is sexy, but statistically, 99% of new fades, often rapidly. Just look at the bone-yard of linux distros and fancy programming languages. The (IBM) stench is deep. 'Smarty Pants' has recently left his creation of CoreOS; I guess even the IBM stench was too much for even him, despite making millions and millions. GENTOO IS THE GREATEST DISTRO EVER! Only the original, historical unix distros come close. Unix is the real reason AT was broken up. All that other noise is just a smoke screen, financial maneuvering and just big business. GTE and Honeywell quickly rolled their own 'unix', and the rest is history the universities do not teach, sadly. Don't even get me started on SunOS, and the evil that pursued those lawyers. be blessed, James
[gentoo-user] Ventoy: bootable USB drive for ISO files
I wonder if any Gentoo dev is working on implementing this? Has anyone tested it? https://www.ventoy.net/en/index.html I just read about it on ycombinator curiously, James
Re: [gentoo-user] Ventoy: bootable USB drive for ISO files
On 5/3/20 8:47 PM, Dale wrote: james wrote: I wonder if any Gentoo dev is working on implementing this? Has anyone tested it? https://www.ventoy.net/en/index.html I just read about it on ycombinator curiously, James I went here: https://www.ventoy.net/en/isolist.html If you scroll down the list, about half way down the page, it shows Gentoo as a option.� It has a minimal install and a live DVD option.� It supports legacy and UEFI thingy.� I'm not sure how it works yet tho.� I need to read a bit more. Dale :-)� :-) Yep, but I cannot find either file anywhere? Still searching for those (2017)an jan2020 images: Gentoo install-amd64-minimal-20200119T214502Z.iso livedvd-amd64-hardened-nomultilib-20170118.iso Let me know/post if there is a place actually download these iso files?
Re: [gentoo-user] Is Gentoo dead?
On 4/21/20 12:58 PM, Consus wrote: Hi, In all honesty, is Gentoo dead? Gentoo-Dev is filled with passive aggression (though being developers-only mailing list), Github bot warns you that contributing new packages to the main repo is low priority and probably no one will help you, and even distribution kernel is not an official thing, but a desperate attempt of someone to fix things. With all respect, you are clueless, but trying to be polite. If your assessment was correct, then answer these questions, OK? Why would the actual author of one of the hottest codes in the world, wireguard, be that actual maintainer on gentoo? Gentoo spawns CoreOS(smarty pants CTO) and long time gentooer. CoreOS purchase by Redhat, to give them a future and IBM purchasing Redhat, just to get legal rights to the gentoo heritage? Greg X, is one of THE chief gentoo kernel devs, and still loves and uses Gentoo.? You are among GREATNESS in the computational world. I could list hundreds of the world's top technologies in a wide variety of fields, that have and still use Gentoo. Like the worlds number one RF designer; but I wont. You are fucking lazy. READ as the entire history and tree(s) are there. BUT, first do a deep dive on C, although not currently popular, before making such stupid statements. PLEASE. Also, find me a linux distro rigorously supports (and engourages) both systemd, OpenRC and systems without either? Can you name one. Gentoo is for experts, and those that aspire, through many years of hard work, to become C/unix/kernel/any-code type of experts. YOU, making this statement, are just LAZY! get real, James Horton, PE
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Problem understanding "eix"
On 4/22/20 6:41 AM, Dr Rainer Woitok wrote:
Martin,
On Tuesday, 2020-04-21 18:02:37 -, you wrote:
...
DEFAULT_ARCH is normally not used, because it should be set in
the profile. Does
eix --print ARCH
also show amd64?
BINGO! No, it doesn't:
$ eix --print ARCH
x86_64
$
And that rings a bell: for historical reasons my "~/.profile" initializ-
ation script contains the line
export ARCH=$(arch || uname -m) 2> /dev/null
which helped me getting my personal environment right on every of the
computing center's zillions of hosts I had to login in my previous life.
Thankyou so much for hunting this down for me :-)
But unsetting ARCH or setting it to amd64 doesn't change things, prob-
ably because the wrong value meanwhile is part of the database used by
"eix". Will it suffice to run "eix-update" with "ARCH" being unset?
...
app-crypt/tpm2-tss 2.2.3-r21 1
app-crypt/tpm2-tss 2.3.3 1 1
This is strange: Both versions are only ~amd64, and in your previous
posting the output for {isstable} was indeed 0.
No. It was only 0 in the output of the "installedversions" call, where-
as the lines quoted above originated from the "availableversions" call.
And the problem is that "{isstable}" and "{isunstable}" must not be 1
at the same time, even if ARCH is erroneously set to "x86_64".
So this might finally be a bug in "eix" ...
Sincerely,
Rainer
Hello Rainer,
'
I'd install and check out the latest version of 'eix' (0.33.11) on my
sytems; but I have not updated in over a week. Often bugs are fix and
the fix is first available in the latest version of the (gentoo)
package. If no fix, then file a bug; or at least that's how I roll.
Not a recommendation, just what "I" do.
try 'eix -R eix'
hth,
James
Re: [gentoo-user] Upgrading old kernel
On 4/15/20 10:59 PM, Thomas Mueller wrote: On 4/15/20 1:40 PM, Andreas Stiasny wrote: On 15.04.20 17:50, Rich Freeman wrote: Jumping from 3.18 you're somewhat more likely to run into issues - your biggest headache though will be dealing with the 30,000 prompts you get from make oldconfig and making sure you set all the new options correctly. That's why I use make olddefconfig in such a case. This takes all the old config values and uses the default for the new ones. If you know that you need one or more of the new config options you can fine tune them afterwards with make menuconfig. Andreas james responded: Ah. never used olddefconfig, I'll give it a spin. That raises the question, what if you have no kernel config, as may be the case if you are going to Gentoo for the first time, or are cross-compiling from FreeBSD or NetBSD? I have tried with OpenADK (www.openadk.org), which got as far as successfully building cross-gcc some of the time, but never succeeded at building the kernel. Is defconfig the best starting point? One would want to maximize the probability of success building the kernel while retaining a functional system that would support vital hardware including ethernet, wi-fi, hard drives and USB, and I would need to be able to read a NetBSD or FreeBSD file system (UFS/FFSv1 or 2). I use GPT, so there are no traditional now-deprecated BSD disklabels that Linux would not recognize. If I just start with menuconfig, I could miss some vital parts. OpenADK started with a minimal kernel config, maybe it was too minimal? I have successfully compiled kernels and userlands on FreeBSD and NetBSD (no menuconfig, defconfig, etc; kernel configs start with a GENERIC config). NetBSD kernel config is much longer than FreeBSD kernel config but is dwarfed by Linux kernel config. Tom OK, time to spill 'the beans'. OpenADK does not look like a kernel building tool. Booting a minimal state-machine for an embedded device, starts at the bottom of the code blocks. Building a linux kernel, that runs on the bottom of processors, guaged by resources and capabilities has always been a 'pita' that is nothing but duress. As you down the tree of what micro-processors can do, and the limited (kernel/system) resources, limited instruction sets, etc, etc that need is not common and you are best off following a well worn path. Folks that do not deeply understand the lack or limited (uP) resources and the subsequent limitied options available, need to get into a good, university program or go write assemble code on uPs for a few years. In essence, that sort of approach is a giant waste of time. I.E. follow a well worn path and learn to code in C and assembler. Executive, minimal OS and such, written in forth or other such languages are shear folly. C and Assembler, for find something else to do with your time, wisely. However, that said, integrating certain processor family trees into what other, more sophisticated 64 bit arm projects are doing, particularly with low level codes, is a wise idea. Pick your battles wisely. Caveat Emptor! Back to my thread:: An older, existing system is very rich in unique work and codes, at least for me, so I keep old image-systems, around for decades. A Gentoo packrat, as I can quote from very smart people back to 2004, when necessary. Their words were and are true, but, let's focus on virgin/noob (kernel-centric) systems issues. Fast Forward. I use the install disk from CloverOS which does a wonderful job of auto* for recent kernels and many packages. However it is not portage_raw or the myriad of other places to download and install or hack ebuilds; not necessarily of the Gentoo-approved feedstock. ymmv. CloverOS will give you a clean, new kernel, but lacks a window system (I do not use anything big, regardless of system resources) that is functional but not robust, imho. But 10 (15 max) minutes for a gentoo install is just freaking awesome, btrfs and a new kernel 5.* kernel. I have not tried to just copy over a kernel and associated file, but that is on the list as I have (3) identical AMD systems, 64bit, with AMD video cards and 32 G of DDR3 memory. But I shall just try to copy over a kernel derived from the CloverOS gentoo to an indentical hardware system running a version 3.18 james-derived-and-build linux kernel, just to see what happens. So a hybrid technique to rapidly test pre-built kernels, in an automated fashion, then going back and duplicating the same kernel-builds-tests from a kernel-gentoo-source-package, would be and attractive experiment to me. One off (which is what we do as a gentoo collective of hacks) kernels with the build-test-repeat cycle seems like an arcane semantic for a collective of experts (or fledgling gentoo-soon-to-be-experts)in this day and age (strictly of my opine). Where I'm going, managing a collective of hundreds or thousands of gentoo
Re: [gentoo-user] Upgrading old kernel
On 4/15/20 11:40 AM, Rich Freeman wrote: On Wed, Apr 15, 2020 at 11:27 AM james wrote: It works fabulously, but it is time to upgrade, as most codes dependent on old software, have been migrated. So should I skip to a version 5 kernel? If so which one? I usually run hundreds of testing packages so maybe make the new system all testing? If you're more of the mindset of stability over features (as seems to be the case) then I'd stick with a longterm kernel. That means years of updates that basically shouldn't require anything more than running make oldconfig to deal with. Once in a VERY rare while a new option shows up. Traditionally yes, but not going forward. About 1/2 are on (going to be) the latest and I'll probably just default to every package being the latest testing, github or whatever version. You should be updating your kernel regularly to address security issues and other regressions. If you stay within the same major.minor series you shouldn't be getting anything other than bugfixes. Agreed, but most of my systems rarely have a route to the internet or are mostly not connected to any ethernet, continuously. I personally use the latest longterm, but not until it has been out for a few months. Mainly this is because I use zfs and don't want to deal with what versions of the one are compatible with what versions of the other. Yep, for the main system, but using btrfs with redundant drives. I'd like zfs, but not certain about it's future being open, open-source, etc. btrfs has bee great, for what I have done recently. Right now I'm on the 4.19 longterm, and I'm getting to the point where I'm contemplating switching to the 5.4 longterm. If I were in your shoes i'd be looking at 5.4 unless there is a reason not to. 5.4 sounds good. If you're asking how to actually compile/install/etc a kernel just follow the docs, but you should be doing this regularly. Jumping from 3.18 you're somewhat more likely to run into issues - your biggest headache though will be dealing with the 30,000 prompts you get from make oldconfig and making sure you set all the new options correctly. You won't get that problem going between two patch-level releases (eg 5.4.31 -> 5.4.32). Agreed. I was bad sick, off and on for 3 years. Rare blood sugar. 80% protein diet fixed it all. NO medications, no sugar very few slow carbs, finally. So, basically my mind was 80% erased. Good thing I kept notes and a myriad of sporadic 'howto docs'. Kernel hacking was void for 3 years. Now I feel GREAT and have many gentoo ambitions, 5G and embedded centric stuff; but also a mail and a web server, with very tight security. DNS primaries on little, ram intensive arm boards, are pretty sweet when combined with cloudflare's free, secure dns. Thank for all the help/ideas, James
Re: [gentoo-user] Upgrading old kernel
On 4/15/20 1:40 PM, Andreas Stiasny wrote: On 15.04.20 17:50, Rich Freeman wrote: Jumping from 3.18 you're somewhat more likely to run into issues - your biggest headache though will be dealing with the 30,000 prompts you get from make oldconfig and making sure you set all the new options correctly. That's why I use make olddefconfig in such a case. This takes all the old config values and uses the default for the new ones. If you know that you need one or more of the new config options you can fine tune them afterwards with make menuconfig. Andreas Ah. never used olddefconfig, I'll give it a spin.
[gentoo-user] Upgrading old kernel
Hello, So I have a gentoo system, with a 3.18.25 kernel. It works fabulously, but it is time to upgrade, as most codes dependent on old software, have been migrated. So should I skip to a version 5 kernel? If so which one? I usually run hundreds of testing packages so maybe make the new system all testing? Note: Not interested in using genkernel; prefer discrete, old-fashions method of understandable steps; but perhaps scripted... I run many old gentoo systems, from embedded hacks on 32 bit micros to AMD centric workstations (old but reliable). So, I really would like a system/guide that is general, but where I can add details for the various hardware/architectures/ issues. It seems like for 18 years, it's been a 'whatever reboots' incoherent system and I'm tire of it. I need structure and consistency, as I might not upgrade/install any system for months/years and then I need to do a dozen or more, not necessarily of the same hardware. AMD and ARM are what they are mostly, but other variants are in my collective. Hardware is like kids, it's hard for me to let go; ymmv. BTW, a guide that is BTRFS centric, would really be cool All discussion/suggestions are welcome, including comments on the links below. Is this the best guide to follow? https://www.kernel.org/doc/html/latest/ or this one? https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Kernel/Upgrade https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Kernel and this I found this noob_simplified_doc: https://blog.khmersite.net/2019/01/upgrade-kernel-on-gentoo/ Really looking for input for one generalized guide that can have options for various hardware combos. curiously, James
[gentoo-user] JOB
Hello, I am working with an employer that is looking to hire a permanent MySQL DBA for their Hong Kong and Tokyo office. Consequently, I had hoped that some members of this list may like to discuss further. Kind regards, James / JamesBTobin (at) Gmail (dot) Com
Re: [gentoo-user] Idea for Videoconferencing (Video part)
On 4/3/20 5:16 AM, Petric Frank wrote: Hello, this is not exactly a gentoo issue. But due i am using gentoo i am asking here. Problem: Usually the camera is outside of the screen. The user normally looks at the screen. As result the communication partner(s) see him not looking at the camera. Idea: Use two cameras positioned left and right or top and bottom of the screen. Combine the two video streams and generate a third stream having a virtual camera positioned at the middle of the screen. Result: Better communication. The partners always looking in their eyes. At the same time the screen contents can be viewed. Is this description clear enough ? Sounds that feasible ? Anyone taking the task ? Or is there a better place to post such an idea ? kind regards Petric "stereoscopic" is but one technology where dual camera feeds are combined. Just mount one on top, center of the monitor. Routine solution. old background: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stereo_camera lucidcam ~$17.00 https://www.e-consystems.com/3D-USB-stereo-camera.asp https://www.stereolabs.com/zed/ https://www.stereolabs.com/ Other hacks through expensive solutions exist. I'd think a single lens camera mounted on top, center of the monitor, 4K resolution, would solve your issues, better than (2) integrated lenses. ymmv. hth, James
Re: [gentoo-user] RYZEN 5: Hyperthreading or no hyperthreading...
On 3/28/20 9:24 AM, tu...@posteo.de wrote:
On 03/28 05:59, Mark Knecht wrote:
On Fri, Mar 27, 2020 at 10:58 PM wrote:
On 03/27 11:51, Mark Knecht wrote:
On Fri, Mar 27, 2020 at 11:11 AM wrote:
On 03/27 06:04, Andrea Conti wrote:
Hello,
Thread(s) per core: 1 <<<<<
Does my CPU hyperthread?
Definitely not.
Your kernel config is fine, chances are hyperthreading (aka "SMT
mode")
is
disabled in your BIOS settings.
andrea
Hi Andrea,
I checked that: The BIOS setting was set to use hyperthreading.
But "Number of cores" was set to six. I changed that to 12 and
Voila! I got two threads per core.
I think "Number of cores" is a little misleading, since there
are six physical cores (not threads) with a RYZEN 5.
I feeling not that comfortable with this solution.
Is there any way to check for the validity of this setting
beside a tool, which prints a "2" after the word "threads" ;) ?
Cheers!
Meino
cat /proc/cpu should give info for each thread. I've been running an i7
980
Extreme processor @3.33GHz here at home for about 12 years or so. It's 6
cores but shows 12 processors on both Gentoo and now Kubuntu.
I generally run top and then hit '1' and 'z'. You can watch what
percentage
each core/thread is using.
Time a BIG compile job twice, once with each kernel. If it's working
you'll
measure a significant difference in time. Note that it won't be 2x as
you'll also be limited by disk read/write throughput, but you'll know
it's
basically working.
On Gentoo make sure you're compile settings in (I think make.conf - I no
longer run Gentoo much) are set to take advantage of all your cores and
not
limited to something smaller. Also watch overheating when using more
cores/threads. On older PCs like mine when you possibly have dust in CPU
coolers might not be as efficient as when they are new.
HTH,
Mark
Hi Mark,
thank you for your explanations! :)
/proc/cpu doesn't exist on my systemmay be you are referring to
/proc/cpuinfo?
The problem was caused by a kernel misconfiguration by me.
In the kernel setup there is a setting "Number of cores" which
I had set to six ... since my CPU has 6 physical core.
Setting this to twelve (and blurring the syntactically border between
threads and cores thereby...) gives me twelves cores in top, htop
and such and (as an example) compiling the kernel is faster -
so it is not a display gimmick only.
I think "Number of cores" is a misnomer...or am I wrong?
Cheers!
Meino
Meino,
Yes, /proc/cpuinfo. Sorry.
Well yes, I guess the 'Number of cores' is a misnomer if you're trying
to equate the language in the kernel against Intel/AMD marketing data for
physical cores. 6 physical cores with or without hyperthreading is still 6
physical cores. However 6 physical cores (my processor) _WITH_
hyperthreading enabled is 12 _LOGICAL_ cores which is more what I think the
kernel verbiage is about. Semantics I suppose.
I'm glad you found it wasn't a gimmicky number. It really does work,
within the limits of the hardware being able to figure out what one thread
should be fetching or writing while the other thread is computing. It's not
a perfect 2:1 like 12 physical cores might be, but it's a lot less silicon
and therefore a lot less expensive.
Cheers,
Mark
Hi Mark,
In the meanwhile I found "glance" and installed it, which is the
bazooka-out-of-the-box-no-configuration terminal-brethren of "conky"
:)
Enough plugins enabled (which come with it preinstalled), you can
watch in realtime, what each core/thread is doing right now...nearly. Big
Brother for the sustem with no bad intention in mind. I am only
curious :)
And you get your sensors diplayed, the workload of your GPU (nvidia in
my case), all processes and lot lot more.
The faster the CPU gets (my previous PC was 12 years old...), the
more the peripheral devices are becoming show stoppers ("stoppers"
in the barest truth of its meaning).
Unfortunatelu the SSD I ordered is in status "ready for delivery"
since 23.03.2020coronayou know...
And with 12 cores enabled on a recent CPU and running for example a
bigger update via emerge (enabled for 12 threads of course)
...all the cores are simply waiting a lot
faster..for the harddisc :)
Thanks for your help -- stay healthy!
Cheers!
Meino
Meino,
You might like the organization and details of
"sys-process/htop"
to look at cores and processes.
hth,
James
Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo on a cell?
On 2/18/20 11:00 PM, r...@nmare.net wrote: On Feb 18, 2020 22:33, james wrote: On 2/18/20 9:29 PM, William Kenworthy wrote: > > On 19/2/20 4:16 am, james wrote: >> So, >> >> After contacting several US carriers, the cover story is you can get a >> cell phone, root it with linux, and it 'should work'. Supposedly, you >> are encourage, but they >> will not offer any help. So rather than spending months, >> I'd like to 'cheat' and find a gentoo hack(er) that has >> rooted and put some form of gentoo, or embedded_gentoo >> on a cell phone. >> >> Please respond to the list, but, for whatever reason, private >> responses are OK too. >> >> >> I'm just tire of my Android cell phone downloading update *every >> night*. I want/need control of the stacks >> running on the phone. I have heard this is quite popular in Europe and >> the Rf circuits have their own firmware, so it's really next to >> impossible to hack the Rf side >> of communications.? >> >> >> Any and all responses, public or private, are most welcome. Links only >> are fine too! >> >> >> James > > > For gentoo, I would say "not easy at all" - the problem is custom > hardware, propriety drivers and lack of information, even in well > supported models. > > There was an app where you could install gentoo into something like a > container - worked well but the android kernel I was using at the time > didn't have some functioned enabled that fed into limiting some > operations in the container. > > Easier and more practical would be to install LibreOS. You can build ii > yourself and build/include your own software as needed - I did it many > times with its Cyanogenmod predecessor (I presume you still can).� There > are some other stacks suitable for phones such as sailfish and even > android can be built yourself (and you can defang/customise it while > doing it - google not needed and if you dont install GAPPS it still > works fine) > > To be honest, if what you mentioned is your main gripe, build android > and use a third party app store like F-Droid to control that side of the > equation. > > Make sure you look into rooting, flashing a new OS and the implications > of doing so - that can be another whole level of pain depending on the > brand of your hardware, and how recent it is (less chance with new stuff > as the really smart people have not had time to trailblaze :) > > BillK Good info (thanks!) Here's what I've found so far. The purpose of this posting is to share info, so we have a gentoo on a cell phone. I am currently researching 'unlocked' samsung phones that support 5G and CDMA, so most sim cards should work. If others are interested, or know of viable github (etc) places to upload codes to, gentoo centric, I'd be all for that. I just done with carriers running my cell phones. Sure they can control the RF (hardware), but not the software running on the phone. here are a few links:: https://fossbytes.com/how-to-install-a-linux-on-android-phone-without-rooting/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_mobile_virtual_network_operators Here is an unlocked 5G and CDMA? I'm looking at to root with gentoo:: Galaxy S20 5G 128GB (Unlocked) https://www.samsung.com/us/mobile/phones/galaxy-s/galaxy-s20-5g-128gb-unlocked-sm-g981uzaaxaa/ Chating with samsung right now. Explaining *why* there needs to be a samsung dev phone, supporting and working with Gentoo�� we'll see how this goes... More comments? encouragement, folks interested? James I am very interested, although my testing capabilities would be restricted to a non-samsung Pixel 3. My�understanding is also that the Pixel and Nexus devices publish their "vendor blobs" or hardware binaries online which may help?�I've experimented with Ubuntu Touch a bit on the Nexus 5, however the device is quite slow at this point. My use case wouldn't be so much for control over updates, but more for things like Convergence (Ubuntu), Dex (Samsung) or Android Desktop. Where you dock your phone and have a linux/Android desktop with floating windows etc. �I'd like to be kept in the loop on this, and if possible I would also like to help contribute software however I'm not really skilled with hardware. I configure my kernel and that's about it.
Re: [gentoo-user] surveillance cameras on gentoo
On 3/26/20 5:07 AM, Neil Bothwick wrote: On Thu, 26 Mar 2020 14:10:51 +0800, thegeezer wrote: https://motion-project.github.io/ =media-video/motion-4.1.1-r1:0 it supports a rake of cameras, so you should be good to go almost straight away; multiple network cameras, usb cameras etc it will do timelapse footage, and motion detection recording, and can be very tuned in every way +1 for motion. It will also stream the video out, so you can view it on a mobile device. Thanks guys. I'm glad this (obvious?) path has been established. Anyone else is encourage to add comments about cameras, wireless frequencies, coax cables, fiber-cameras or hard drives (btrfs?) or any other information are all welcome. Night vision cameras are of keen interest, cause I have lots of (wild) animals, snakes and birds to watch too, just for kicks as I'm near a small wetland and a river. So a 'virtual porch' is part of the ultimate goals. Security and (wildlife) entertainment, are the ultimate integrated goal, with some very hi-res cameras that may only record for short duration. Ultimately, some static IPs and reliable (outbound) bandwidth may allow me to share some footage and a few live connections at a time. All of this is a ways off, but on the dream list. Got a 17' gator nearby; he is the size of a tug boat. Thanks again for all the information and everyone is invited to contribute ideas. media-video/motion-4.1.1-r1 James
[gentoo-user] surveillance cameras on gentoo
Hello, So I want to interface about 8 hi-res video cameras to a gentoo system and use a couple of Hard Disk to record and eventually write over the stored video. Suggestions and ideas? 4 Tb enough storage? Now here is the kicker. I'd also simultaneously like to use android app so at any time, I can receive the wireless transmissions and use the Galaxy Note cell phone (9, 10, 20?) as a portable monitor, whilst not interrupting the video being stored on the gentoo server. Note, I eventually want to be running an optimized gentoo stack on a galaxy note S-20 ultra, when the prices drop. For now, I have a galaxy note 9 to do idea testing with. If I can get it stable, then a few cameras on the old pickup truck, same system except a mobile gentoo laptop. All ideas and comments are most welcome. James
