Re: [gentoo-user] Nginx with PHP-FPM
On Monday 02 April 2012 04:26:47 siefke_lis...@web.de wrote:
Hello,
I try my web hosting environment to mirror locally. On my Rootserver run
Nginx with PHP-FPM under FreeBSD. So i has installed Nginx, PHP and Mysql
here local on Gentoo. But something is not correct, it want not really run.
I has search in web and use the config for Nginx on Gentoo (is other as on
FreeBSD) but nothing happen. The website (info.php) is blank and in logs i
find not the way which is my mistake.
nginx.conf http://nopaste.info/72a40e9c5e.html
php-fpm.conf http://nopaste.info/94a9de62d5.html
emerge --info php nginx http://nopaste.info/225b12e106.html
I'm not really an expert with ngingx and php-fpm, but afaict the error is in
the location line in nginx.conf.
You have:
location ~ .php$ {
...
Afaik this only matches the exact file .php
Try changing it to
location ~ ^(.*)\.php$ {
...
This would match all files ending in .php
Regards
Silvio
Hth,
Michael
Re: [gentoo-user] Nginx with PHP-FPM
On Monday 02 April 2012 14:17:47 Silvio Siefke wrote:
Hello,
On Mon, 02 Apr 2012 11:01:46 +0200
Michael Schreckenbauer grim...@gmx.de wrote:
I'm not really an expert with ngingx and php-fpm, but afaict the error is
in the location line in nginx.conf.
You have:
location ~ .php$ {
...
Afaik this only matches the exact file .php
Try changing it to
location ~ ^(.*)\.php$ {
...
This would match all files ending in .php
thanks for advice. But nothing happen the result is same like before.
Blank website, no phpinfo output.
In logs stand only closed keepalive connection, can it be that something
in php-fpm.conf not correct is set?
to get more info from nginx, try to increase the log level, eg
error_log /var/log/nginx/error_log debug;
php-fpm.conf looks correct to me.
You include fastcgi.conf. Could you post the contents?
Regards
Silvio
Best,
Michael
Re: [gentoo-user] Clicking on URLs in kmail-1.13.7 launches libreoffice
Am Donnerstag, 26. Januar 2012, 09:18:03 schrieb Mick: Over the last couple of weeks I noticed that when I click on a URL in an email I get libreoffice launching a few seconds after Konqueror has opened up the URL. I think this started happening after the recent update of KDE to 4.7.4 and after the initial what the ... it is now becoming annoying. Have you noticed anything similar? Any ideas how I could fix this? No idea, but this happens here also. Not annoying yet, but also not restricted to kmail afaict. I click somewhere and loffice starts. Best, Michael
Re: [gentoo-user] Clicking on URLs in kmail-1.13.7 launches libreoffice
Am Donnerstag, 26. Januar 2012, 14:51:45 schrieb Michael Mol: On Thu, Jan 26, 2012 at 2:22 PM, Michael Schreckenbauer grim...@gmx.de wrote: Am Donnerstag, 26. Januar 2012, 09:18:03 schrieb Mick: Over the last couple of weeks I noticed that when I click on a URL in an email I get libreoffice launching a few seconds after Konqueror has opened up the URL. I think this started happening after the recent update of KDE to 4.7.4 and after the initial what the ... it is now becoming annoying. Have you noticed anything similar? Any ideas how I could fix this? No idea, but this happens here also. Not annoying yet, but also not restricted to kmail afaict. I click somewhere and loffice starts. I remember having this happen under StarOffice way back on Win95. Sounds like you've got to re-select your preferred application handlers. I don't know the process for this in KDE. Already checked those. Nothing suspicious in there. Sometimes loffice even starts when I click on my (empty) desktop, in the url bar of firefox or in some empty area of an application, where no preferred application would be started. Happens about once a week and I click a lot, so I don't care too much :) Best, Michael
Re: [gentoo-user] Who can tell me relationship among dri,glx,mesa,xorg?
Am Donnerstag, 15. Dezember 2011, 18:29:14 schrieb Lavender: At 2011-12-15 03:24:20,Michael Schreckenbauer grim...@gmx.de wrote: Am Mittwoch, 14. Dezember 2011, 14:22:47 schrieb Lavender: Now I'm totally confused, I can't find helpful information from Internet. I know mesa is a open source implementation of OpenGL, obviously mesa will afford OpenGL API. DRI is short for Direct Rendering Infrastructure, I have chosen options like: Device Drivers --- Graphics support --- * Direct Rendering Manager --- this is DRM. This one manages allocation of memory for video devices. *ATI Radeon [*] Enable modesetting on radeon by default Does this mean that DRI libraries are built into kernel? No. If not, who contains DRI? Also who affords GLX libraries? Mesa or Xorg? DRI is part of mesa. Mesa also provides the GLX libraries. Best, Michael Thanks and I wish you could help answer this question.Now I know Mesa provides DRI and GLX, when I installed xorg-server,there're also libraries named like libdri.so and libglx.so in /etc/X11/(somewhere). Yeah, I was wrong :) libglx and libdri are part of xorg-server. Best, Michael
Re: [gentoo-user] Who can tell me relationship among dri,glx,mesa,xorg?
Am Mittwoch, 14. Dezember 2011, 14:22:47 schrieb Lavender: Now I'm totally confused, I can't find helpful information from Internet. I know mesa is a open source implementation of OpenGL, obviously mesa will afford OpenGL API. DRI is short for Direct Rendering Infrastructure, I have chosen options like: Device Drivers --- Graphics support --- * Direct Rendering Manager --- this is DRM. This one manages allocation of memory for video devices. *ATI Radeon [*] Enable modesetting on radeon by default Does this mean that DRI libraries are built into kernel? No. If not, who contains DRI? Also who affords GLX libraries? Mesa or Xorg? DRI is part of mesa. Mesa also provides the GLX libraries. Best, Michael
Re: [gentoo-user] ffmpeg - fails to compile on amd64
Am Montag, 12. Dezember 2011, 13:28:39 schrieb Joseph: On 12/12/11 20:32, Michael Hampicke wrote: Configuring source in /var/tmp/portage/media-video/ffmpeg-0.7.8/work/ffmpeg-0.7.8 ... x86_64-pc-linux-gnu-gcc is unable to create an executable file. If x86_64-pc-linux-gnu-gcc is a cross-compiler, use the --enable-cross-compile option. Only do this if you know what cross compiling means. C compiler test failed. Do you have enabled the cpudetection and/or custom-cflags use flags? Or do you use some crazy CFLAGS? ffmpeg 0.7.8 compiles just fine on my amd64 box. No nothing crazy: CFLAGS=-Os -pipe -mtune=i686 i686? That's not amd64. You need something 64bit. Just use march=native instead of mtune=i686. I'm not even sure if these flags are correct for my CPU: AMD FX(tm)-8150 Eight-Core Processor :) They are not. The flags suggestion I found on gentoo wiki are crazy: http://en.gentoo-wiki.com/wiki/Safe_Cflags/AMD#AMD_FX-8xxx.2F6xxx.2F4xxx_.28 Bulldozer.29 CFLAGS=-O2 -pipe -fomit-frame-pointer -march=bdver1 -mtune=bdver1 -mcx16 -msahf -maes -mpclmul -mpopcnt -mabm -mlwp -mavx Whoever suggested these flags must have been on some drugs :-/ Could well be, that this is what march=native gives for bdver1. Best, Michael
Re: [gentoo-user] Gnome 3: GL_MAX_TEXTURE_SIZE is too small.
Hi, Am Donnerstag, 8. Dezember 2011, 10:30:14 schrieb Maximilian Bräutigam: Am 30.11.2011 13:24, schrieb Michael Schreckenbauer: glxinfo -l | grep MAX_TEXTURE_SIZE Hi Michael, GL_MAX_TEXTURE_SIZE = 1024 is this enough? don't think so. Afaik gnome-shell composes the desktop into a large texture. If your screen resolution exceeds 1024 in width or height (I assume it does), the screen does not fit into the maximum texture available on your hardware. Kind regards, der Max Best, Michael
Re: [gentoo-user] Gnome 3: GL_MAX_TEXTURE_SIZE is too small.
Hi, Am Mittwoch, 30. November 2011, 10:11:04 schrieb Maximilian Bräutigam: My question is, whether it is possible to increase this GL_MAX_TEXTURE_SIZE or not and if so, how. GL_MAX_TEXTURE_SIZE is limited by your video-card. Afaik, there's no way to increase it as it's given by the HW. What does glxinfo -l | grep MAX_TEXTURE_SIZE give? Thank you very much in advance for your help. Kind regards, der Max Best, Michael
Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] max size of bash variable value
Am Mittwoch, 30. November 2011, 13:19:56 schrieb pat: Hi all, Sorry for this off topic post, but I've been asked how/where to find maximum size of bash variable value. I've search and found 4M, 1k, 4k ... . But didn't found how/where this limit is set. I know, that for C it's e.g. sizeof(int), but for bash? afaik you can query that value with getconf ARG_MAX How to set it, I have no idea. Thanks for help Pat Best, Michael
Re: [gentoo-user] ImageMagick
Hi Colleen, Am Sonntag, 27. November 2011, 16:08:41 schrieb Colleen Beamer: Hi all, I used to use ImageMagick to quickly resize images and convert from one format to another (jpg to png, for example). ImageMagick is installed on my system (installed as requirement of something else), but I'm darned if I can find an executable to run the program. There used to be one in /usr/bin on my old system. Does anyone have any experience with this? yes :) It's /usr/bin/convert Regards, Colleen Best, Michael
Re: [gentoo-user] ImageMagick
Am Sonntag, 27. November 2011, 17:04:24 schrieb Colleen Beamer: On 11/27/11 15:18, Michael Schreckenbauer wrote: Hi Colleen, Am Sonntag, 27. November 2011, 16:08:41 schrieb Colleen Beamer: Hi all, I used to use ImageMagick to quickly resize images and convert from one format to another (jpg to png, for example). ImageMagick is installed on my system (installed as requirement of something else), but I'm darned if I can find an executable to run the program. There used to be one in /usr/bin on my old system. Does anyone have any experience with this? yes :) It's /usr/bin/convert This isn't quite what I wanted - you have to add options to the command. I was hoping to get the graphical interface that I had before. Please don't tell me they took a great little program and screwed it up! :-) ImageMagick has no gui-frontend and it never had. It's a library for image manipulation and a collection of CLI-programs for the same task. I have no idea what you used before, but it wasn't part of ImageMagick. Colleen Best, Michael
Re: [gentoo-user] ImageMagick
Am Sonntag, 27. November 2011, 17:04:24 schrieb Colleen Beamer: On 11/27/11 15:18, Michael Schreckenbauer wrote: Hi Colleen, Am Sonntag, 27. November 2011, 16:08:41 schrieb Colleen Beamer: Hi all, I used to use ImageMagick to quickly resize images and convert from one format to another (jpg to png, for example). ImageMagick is installed on my system (installed as requirement of something else), but I'm darned if I can find an executable to run the program. There used to be one in /usr/bin on my old system. Does anyone have any experience with this? yes :) It's /usr/bin/convert This isn't quite what I wanted - you have to add options to the command. I was hoping to get the graphical interface that I had before. Please don't tell me they took a great little program and screwed it up! :-) is /usr/bin/display the program you were looking for? It supports a subset of ImageMagick's functionality. Colleen Best, Michael
Re: [gentoo-user] Cannot start up KDE desktop Environment
Am Samstag, 12. November 2011, 12:09:23 schrieb Mick: On Saturday 12 Nov 2011 02:37:53 Lavender wrote: The problem is that X is not installed. to install X, edit /etc/make.conf and add VIDEO_CARDS=your video card here and emerge xorg-server or emerge xorg-x11 to get X How can it not be installed? Wouldn't KDE pull in Xorg packages as dependencies? No, not the server. Mind, X is a client-server architecture. It's perfectly valid to run kde-clients on a machine, that has no xserver installed. Best, Michael
Re: [gentoo-user] Where is the souce code of software?
Hi, Am Donnerstag, 10. November 2011, 20:46:28 schrieb Lavender: Could anyone tell me that where I can find the source code of software on my system? Such as ls, cd .etc. first you have to find out to which package the binary you are interested in belongs to, eg ~ $ equery b /bin/ls * Searching for /bin/ls ... sys-apps/coreutils-8.14 (/bin/ls) (If you don't have equery, install gentoolkit) Use the command emerge -f =cat/package-version to download the sources to your distfiles. (if they are already there, the command above downloads nothing) Unpack them to somewhere in your $HOME, done. Best, Michael
Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] Binary install distro
Am Donnerstag, 10. November 2011, 21:04:46 schrieb Lorenzo Bandieri: So, what is a easy to install distro that has KDE4, Seamonkey, gtkam, GIMP and such? I want something easy Well, surely Kubuntu would be a nice choice, but can I suggest OpenSuse? I installed it something like two years ago (I was curious) and I liked it. It has a well-done KDE implementation. +1 there were some kubuntu versions with a really bad kde integration. I don't remember the details and afaik that has changed, but I never had any problems with OpenSuse. My parents-in-law use it and they seem to be very happy with it. Lorenzo Best, Michael
Re: [gentoo-user] Missing /etc/init.d/net.eth0 symlink after install
Am Mittwoch, 9. November 2011, 16:57:40 schrieb Walter Dnes: I just did a 32-bit install on an older Dell with 3 gigs of ram. Almost everything went right, except that at the first boot boot-up, there was no eth0. After some detective work, I found out there was no /etc/init.d/net.eth0 symlink to /etc/init.d/net. I manually created the symlink, ran /etc/init.d/net restart, and eth0 came up fine. I also added it to the default runlevel with rc-update. Has anyone else run into this on a recent install? I'd say so. You are supposed to create this link yourself. From the handbook: Automatically Start Networking at Boot To have your network interfaces activated at boot, you need to add them to the default runlevel. Code Listing 2.8: Adding net.eth0 to the default runlevel # cd /etc/init.d # ln -s net.lo net.eth0 # rc-update add net.eth0 default Best, Michael
Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] Simh port to ARM platform
Am Dienstag, 8. November 2011, 20:00:36 schrieb meino.cra...@gmx.de: Érico Porto ericoporto2...@gmail.com [11-11-08 19:56]: your website do not load this is no gentoo I see.. Érico V. Porto On Tue, Nov 8, 2011 at 3:59 PM, meino.cra...@gmx.de wrote: Hi, while googling for this I didn't find something applicable... For my embedded Linux system (www.centipad.org) based on a ATmel AT91SAM9260 cpu I am looking for a port of SIMH to ARM. Does anyone know of something I can start with? Thank you very much in advance for any help! Best regards, mcc ? www.centipad.org does not exist. Correct URL is www.centipad.com Erico made a joke. Site does not load - does not run gentoo. At least that's how I read it. mcc Best, Michael
Re: [gentoo-user] udev with separate /usr and no initramfs
Hi, Am Dienstag, 8. November 2011, 19:24:11 schrieb Steven J Long: Hi, Following the debates over the summer, about plans to require an initramfs for udev, I put together a slightly different approach using the dependency tracking in openrc. It's outlined (in Unsupported Software) at: http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-p-6866484.html and consists of a couple of simple patches to the initscripts for udev and udev-mount, supporting a new initramfs option (defaults to yes) in udev.conf. I've been using it on my desktop at home for a couple of months now and it works like a charm here. As ever, YMMV. interesting approach. As I state in the post: This is only for people who know they have all the modules built-in the kernel to mount local filesystems, have a separate /usr and/or /var, and are happy with their current setups, apart from possible future issues with udev starting before localmount, and find the requirement for an initramfs sufficiently annoying to tweak their setups, *and* are willing to deal with keeping the lines in the initscripts during etc-updates. This is on stable udev (164-r2.) I'm not running unstable, so be careful if you are, and let us know if there are any changes needed. You can get in touch on IRC, or via the forum post. I am running ~amd64 and I'll try this, when I have some spare time. I'll let you know, how it works for me. Thanks a lot for this. HTH, igli. Best, Michael
Re: [gentoo-user] Network problem with linux server
Hi, Am Montag, 7. November 2011, 12:13:58 schrieb Massimiliano Ziccardi: Hi All. This problem is not strictly related to gentoo, however I'm sure someone here will be able to help me in some way: sorry if I bother you! have a look at: http://www.centos.org/docs/5/html/5.1/Deployment_Guide/s1-networkscripts- static-routes.html Best, Michael
Re: [gentoo-user] Network problem with linux server
Hi, Am Montag, 7. November 2011, 13:15:53 schrieb Massimiliano Ziccardi: I thought it was a routing problem, but as you can see, the routes I sent seems to be ok. you have those link-local entries in your routes (169.254.0.0/16), Try adding NOZEROCONF= yes to /etc/sysconfig/network Best, Michael
Re: [gentoo-user] Network problem with linux server
Am Montag, 7. November 2011, 13:47:49 schrieb Massimiliano Ziccardi: you have those link-local entries in your routes (169.254.0.0/16), Try adding NOZEROCONF= yes to /etc/sysconfig/network Already tried, but no luck... could you post the output of ip route with zeroconf disabled? Thanks, Massimiliano Best, Michael
Re: [gentoo-user] Network problem with linux server
Am Montag, 7. November 2011, 14:15:39 schrieb Massimiliano Ziccardi: could you post the output of ip route with zeroconf disabled? Here it is! 192.168.19.0/24 dev eth2 proto kernel scope link src 192.168.19.95 195.75.145.0/24 dev eth0 proto kernel scope link src 195.75.145.122 default via 195.75.145.1 dev eth0 seems to be a really tricky one... What does tracepath 195.75.145.33 give? Thanks, Massimiliano Best, Michael
Re: [gentoo-user] Network problem with linux server
Am Montag, 7. November 2011, 14:35:46 schrieb Massimiliano Ziccardi: seems to be a really tricky one... What does tracepath 195.75.145.33 give? Here is the output: 1: 195.75.145.33 (195.75.145.33) 0.074ms pmtu 16436 1: 195.75.145.33 (195.75.145.33) 0.039ms reached 1: 195.75.145.33 (195.75.145.33) 0.028ms reached I tried shutting down localhost with: ifconfig lo down. Now I can't ping 195.75.145.33 anymore (as all the other 195.75.145.xx addresses). And now tracepath gives: 1: send failed Resume: pmtu 65535 So, for some reason, seems it always uses the 'lo' device... Any idea? I noticed lo:0 is on the same net and has the same netmask as eth0. Where does lo:0 come from? Is it needed? I have no idea, if this is the problem or even related, just wondering. Regards, Massimiliano Best, Michael
Re: [gentoo-user] Network problem with linux server
Am Montag, 7. November 2011, 15:20:12 schrieb Massimiliano Ziccardi: Maybe I found where the problem is! Shutting down lo:0 everything seems to work properly! However I need to configure lo:0 for local triangulation (balancing through RADWARE): how should I configure it to not conflict with the other network cards? try assigning a netmask of 255.255.255.255 to it. Thanks! Massimiliano Ziccardi Best, Michael
Re: [gentoo-user] Best Jabber Server
Hi, Am Freitag, 4. November 2011, 10:22:07 schrieb 4k3nd0: Hi guys, need a Jabber Server for Work. What is the best Jabber Server to run? I can really recommend ejabberd. Fast, robust, easy to use. Install, configure, forget. Greeting's from Germany, Akendo Best, Michael
Re: [gentoo-user] Best Jabber Server
Hi, Am Freitag, 4. November 2011, 14:27:44 schrieb Jens Reinemuth: On 04.11.2011 14:18, Michael Mol wrote: We use Openfire and Asterisk at work. I wasn't aware they could be integrated, though. Meanwhile, each independently is great. While i agree that asterisk is great i really think that openfire is a hell of a jabber server... While ejabberd runs as erlang script, openfire is written in java which makes it depend on a actual vm with all it's disadvantages (slow, memory overhead, ...). Even if the configuration via Webinterface is really easy and comfortable, you have at least 10-20 features you don't and even will never need... erlang isn't a scripting language. It's a functional programming language compiled to bytecode running in a vm as does java. It has builtin distribution and it's quite easy to write servers that scale and provide many 9s of availability. The OTP framework (erlangs stdlib) provides support for hot code loading, so you can upgrade your application with no downtime. ejabberd is a jabber-server. not more not less and runs with way less memory and io... But i can't understand why there aren't any native (aka. compiled) jabber-servers, at least some that have actual releases... erlang has hipe, which compiles erlang to native code. I don't know, if ejabberd works compiled with hipe. Best, Michael
Re: [gentoo-user] Best Jabber Server
Am Freitag, 4. November 2011, 14:22:38 schrieb Alexander Tanyukevich: 2011/11/4 Jorge Martínez López jorg...@gmail.com: I played some years ago with Openfire: http://www.igniterealtime.org/projects/openfire/ I did not test the integration with Asterisk, but it sounds promising. Cheers, -- Jorge Martínez López jorg...@gmail.com http://www.jorgeml.net Google Talk / XMPP: jorg...@gmail.com I've asked that question on couple of forums and everytime got answer: ejabberd. But there was no arguments. And actually I've never used it because of erlang :) ejabberd supports clustering. New servers can be added or removed from the cluster without stopping anything. This is also a plus for fault-tolerance. It scales to 1.000.000s of users without any problems. erlang is designed for problems like this and it's really good in this domain. ejabberd is quite easy to extend via hooks. Of course, you need to learn erlang to do this. In the simple case, you write some glue code in erlang (typically 20-30 LOC) and do the work in the language you are most familiar with. You can even add C- or Java-Nodes to your cluster, that can talk to the ejabberd's via erlangs native message-passing. In the company I worked for, we have an ejabberd-cluster with millions of accounts (iirc something like 20 million customers at the time I left) We evaluated ejabberd, OpenFire and jabberd, but only ejabberd was able to cope with our load. Best, Michael
Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] how to read movie clip duration in console?
Hi, Am Freitag, 4. November 2011, 19:05:23 schrieb Francisco Ares: Hi, All Sorry for the OT, but Gentoo'ers are way above medium linux users. I have a bunch of movie clips and I wanted to build a table of contents including clip duration. Instead of opening one at a time, is there any application that I could user for a script? I though on mplayer, but I could not find a way for it to tell me the duration of a clip. emerge exiftool exiftool movie | grep ^Duration Thanks Francisco Best, Michael
Re: [gentoo-user] Unable to login to gentoo
Am Dienstag, 1. November 2011, 23:00:57 schrieb Alan McKinnon: On Tue, 01 Nov 2011 14:49:30 -0500 Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: Vishnupradeep wrote: On Tue, Nov 1, 2011 at 2:48 PM, Mick michaelkintz...@gmail.com mailto:michaelkintz...@gmail.com wrote: emerge -1aDv app-portage/gentoolkit revdep-rebuild -v --ask i can't use emerge command as it is shown as command not found. can u tell the correct path of emerge. /usr/bin/emerge Little bit of learning here: root@smoker / # which emerge /usr/bin/emerge root@smoker / # Now you know where it is and how I found out where it is. Trick is remembering a command you rarely use. That won't work. The $PATH is broken so the shell can't find ls and emerge. Well, it won't find which either :-) Solution: You run which which and tell the OP which directory contains which so he can run /path/towhich emerge to find out where emerge is. Or just use type -a, because that's a builtin. ~ $ type -a emerge emerge is /usr/bin/emerge Best, Michael
Re: [gentoo-user] Mythtv problems [SOLVED]
Am Mittwoch, 26. Oktober 2011, 20:13:10 schrieb Michael Sullivan: I was stupid and forgot to mark us-cable in the video sources section of mythtv-setup. It's all working now. Good to hear you got it working :) Best, Michael
Re: [gentoo-user] Mythtv problems
Am Mittwoch, 26. Oktober 2011, 16:25:37 schrieb Michael Sullivan: Here's my output from a mythfrontend run at the terminal: michael@camille ~ $ mythfrontend 2011-10-26 16:16:27.121 mythfrontend version: branches/release-0-23-fixes [27077] www.mythtv.org 2011-10-26 16:16:27.121 Using runtime prefix = /usr 2011-10-26 16:16:27.121 Using configuration directory = /home/michael/.mythtv 2011-10-26 16:16:27.940 Unable to read configuration file mysql.txt 2011-10-26 16:16:27.940 Empty LocalHostName. 2011-10-26 16:16:27.940 Using localhost value of camille 2011-10-26 16:16:28.039 New DB connection, total: 1 2011-10-26 16:16:28.090 Connected to database 'mythconverg' at host: localhost 2011-10-26 16:16:28.091 Closing DB connection named 'DBManager0' 2011-10-26 16:16:28.181 ScreenSaverX11Private: XScreenSaver support enabled 2011-10-26 16:16:28.183 DPMS is disabled. 2011-10-26 16:16:28.185 Primary screen: 0. 2011-10-26 16:16:28.186 Connected to database 'mythconverg' at host: localhost 2011-10-26 16:16:28.189 Using screen 0, 1024x768 at 0,0 2011-10-26 16:16:28.242 Desktop video mode: 1024x768 75.0807 Hz 2011-10-26 16:16:28.756 MythUI Image Cache size set to 20971520 bytes 2011-10-26 16:16:28.861 Enabled verbose msgs: important general 2011-10-26 16:16:28.876 Primary screen: 0. 2011-10-26 16:16:28.881 Using screen 0, 1024x768 at 0,0 2011-10-26 16:16:28.898 Using theme base resolution of 1280x720 2011-10-26 16:16:28.935 LIRC, Error: Failed to connect to Unix socket '/var/run/lirc/lircd' eno: No such file or directory (2) 2011-10-26 16:16:28.935 JoystickMenuThread Error: Joystick disabled - Failed to read /home/michael/.mythtv/joystickmenurc 2011-10-26 16:16:29.061 Using Frameless Window 2011-10-26 16:16:29.061 Using Full Screen Window 2011-10-26 16:16:29.892 Using the Qt painter 2011-10-26 16:16:30.306 XMLParseBase: Loaded base theme from '/usr/share/mythtv/themes/metallurgy/base.xml' 2011-10-26 16:16:30.525 XMLParseBase: Loaded base theme from '/usr/share/mythtv/themes/default-wide/base.xml' 2011-10-26 16:16:30.800 XMLParseBase: Loaded base theme from '/usr/share/mythtv/themes/default/base.xml' 2011-10-26 16:16:30.807 New DB connection, total: 2 2011-10-26 16:16:30.820 Current MythTV Schema Version (DBSchemaVer): 1254 2011-10-26 16:16:30.822 Connected to database 'mythconverg' at host: localhost 2011-10-26 16:16:32.928 Registering Internal as a media playback plugin. 2011-10-26 16:16:33.145 Current MythMusic Schema Version (MusicDBSchemaVer): 1017 2011-10-26 16:16:33.338 MMUnix::AddDevice() Error: failed to stat /dev/bdi, eno: No such file or directory (2) 2011-10-26 16:16:33.352 MMUnix::AddDevice() Error: failed to stat /dev/power, eno: No such file or directory (2) 2011-10-26 16:16:33.371 MMUnix::AddDevice() Error: failed to stat /dev/bdi, eno: No such file or directory (2) 2011-10-26 16:16:33.386 MMUnix::AddDevice() Error: failed to stat /dev/power, eno: No such file or directory (2) 2011-10-26 16:16:33.403 MonitorRegisterExtensions(0x40, mp3,mp2,ogg,oga,flac,wma,wav,ac3,oma,omg,atp,ra,dts,aac,m4a,aa3,tta,mka,aiff ,swa,wv) 2011-10-26 16:16:33.421 Cannot load language en_us for module mythmusic 2011-10-26 16:16:33.425 XMLParseBase: Loading window theme from /usr/share/mythtv/themes/metallurgy/menu-ui.xml mount: can't find /dev/sdd1 in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab 2011-10-26 16:16:33.538 Failed to mount /dev/sdd1. 2011-10-26 16:16:33.545 CD/DVD '/mnt/cdrom' contained none of /VIDEO_TS, /.TOC.plist, /vcd or /svcd 2011-10-26 16:16:33.545 Searching CD statistically - file by file! 2011-10-26 16:16:34.035 Loading menu theme from /usr/share/mythtv/themes/defaultmenu//mainmenu.xml 2011-10-26 16:16:34.046 Found mainmenu.xml for theme 'metallurgy' 2011-10-26 16:16:34.225 MythContext: Connecting to backend server: 192.168.2.3:6543 (try 1 of 1) 2011-10-26 16:16:34.242 Using protocol version 23056 2011-10-26 16:16:36.240 Loading menu theme from /usr/share/mythtv/themes/defaultmenu//library.xml 2011-10-26 16:16:37.723 XMLParseBase: Loading window theme from /usr/share/mythtv/themes/metallurgy/recordings-ui.xml 2011-10-26 16:16:47.991 MythContext: Connecting to backend server: 192.168.2.3:6543 (try 1 of 1) 2011-10-26 16:16:47.998 Using protocol version 23056 2011-10-26 16:16:55.044 PlaybackBox: UpdateUIListItem called with a title unknown to us in m_recordingList Jessie:Zombie Tea Party 5 2011-10-26 16:16:58.624 MythSocket(92ded58:39): Unable to lookup: 2011-10-26 16:16:58.625 RemoteFile::openSocket(control socket), Error: Could not connect to server :6543 2011-10-26 16:16:58.654 MythSocket(8de8cf8:39): Unable to lookup: 2011-10-26 16:16:58.654 RemoteFile::openSocket(file data socket), Error: Could not connect to server :6543 2011-10-26 16:16:58.670
Re: [gentoo-user] Mythtv problems
Am Mittwoch, 26. Oktober 2011, 16:51:15 schrieb Michael Sullivan: On 10/26/11 16:46, Michael Schreckenbauer wrote: Am Mittwoch, 26. Oktober 2011, 16:25:37 schrieb Michael Sullivan: Here's my output from a mythfrontend run at the terminal: michael@camille ~ $ mythfrontend 2011-10-26 16:16:27.121 mythfrontend version: branches/release-0-23-fixes [27077] www.mythtv.org 2011-10-26 16:16:27.121 Using runtime prefix = /usr 2011-10-26 16:16:27.121 Using configuration directory = /home/michael/.mythtv 2011-10-26 16:16:27.940 Unable to read configuration file mysql.txt 2011-10-26 16:16:27.940 Empty LocalHostName. 2011-10-26 16:16:27.940 Using localhost value of camille 2011-10-26 16:16:28.039 New DB connection, total: 1 2011-10-26 16:16:28.090 Connected to database 'mythconverg' at host: localhost 2011-10-26 16:16:28.091 Closing DB connection named 'DBManager0' 2011-10-26 16:16:28.181 ScreenSaverX11Private: XScreenSaver support enabled 2011-10-26 16:16:28.183 DPMS is disabled. 2011-10-26 16:16:28.185 Primary screen: 0. 2011-10-26 16:16:28.186 Connected to database 'mythconverg' at host: localhost 2011-10-26 16:16:28.189 Using screen 0, 1024x768 at 0,0 2011-10-26 16:16:28.242 Desktop video mode: 1024x768 75.0807 Hz 2011-10-26 16:16:28.756 MythUI Image Cache size set to 20971520 bytes 2011-10-26 16:16:28.861 Enabled verbose msgs: important general 2011-10-26 16:16:28.876 Primary screen: 0. 2011-10-26 16:16:28.881 Using screen 0, 1024x768 at 0,0 2011-10-26 16:16:28.898 Using theme base resolution of 1280x720 2011-10-26 16:16:28.935 LIRC, Error: Failed to connect to Unix socket '/var/run/lirc/lircd' eno: No such file or directory (2) 2011-10-26 16:16:28.935 JoystickMenuThread Error: Joystick disabled - Failed to read /home/michael/.mythtv/joystickmenurc 2011-10-26 16:16:29.061 Using Frameless Window 2011-10-26 16:16:29.061 Using Full Screen Window 2011-10-26 16:16:29.892 Using the Qt painter 2011-10-26 16:16:30.306 XMLParseBase: Loaded base theme from '/usr/share/mythtv/themes/metallurgy/base.xml' 2011-10-26 16:16:30.525 XMLParseBase: Loaded base theme from '/usr/share/mythtv/themes/default-wide/base.xml' 2011-10-26 16:16:30.800 XMLParseBase: Loaded base theme from '/usr/share/mythtv/themes/default/base.xml' 2011-10-26 16:16:30.807 New DB connection, total: 2 2011-10-26 16:16:30.820 Current MythTV Schema Version (DBSchemaVer): 1254 2011-10-26 16:16:30.822 Connected to database 'mythconverg' at host: localhost 2011-10-26 16:16:32.928 Registering Internal as a media playback plugin. 2011-10-26 16:16:33.145 Current MythMusic Schema Version (MusicDBSchemaVer): 1017 2011-10-26 16:16:33.338 MMUnix::AddDevice() Error: failed to stat /dev/bdi, eno: No such file or directory (2) 2011-10-26 16:16:33.352 MMUnix::AddDevice() Error: failed to stat /dev/power, eno: No such file or directory (2) 2011-10-26 16:16:33.371 MMUnix::AddDevice() Error: failed to stat /dev/bdi, eno: No such file or directory (2) 2011-10-26 16:16:33.386 MMUnix::AddDevice() Error: failed to stat /dev/power, eno: No such file or directory (2) 2011-10-26 16:16:33.403 MonitorRegisterExtensions(0x40, mp3,mp2,ogg,oga,flac,wma,wav,ac3,oma,omg,atp,ra,dts,aac,m4a,aa3,tta,mk a,aiff ,swa,wv) 2011-10-26 16:16:33.421 Cannot load language en_us for module mythmusic 2011-10-26 16:16:33.425 XMLParseBase: Loading window theme from /usr/share/mythtv/themes/metallurgy/menu-ui.xml mount: can't find /dev/sdd1 in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab 2011-10-26 16:16:33.538 Failed to mount /dev/sdd1. 2011-10-26 16:16:33.545 CD/DVD '/mnt/cdrom' contained none of /VIDEO_TS, /.TOC.plist, /vcd or /svcd 2011-10-26 16:16:33.545 Searching CD statistically - file by file! 2011-10-26 16:16:34.035 Loading menu theme from /usr/share/mythtv/themes/defaultmenu//mainmenu.xml 2011-10-26 16:16:34.046 Found mainmenu.xml for theme 'metallurgy' 2011-10-26 16:16:34.225 MythContext: Connecting to backend server: 192.168.2.3:6543 (try 1 of 1) 2011-10-26 16:16:34.242 Using protocol version 23056 2011-10-26 16:16:36.240 Loading menu theme from /usr/share/mythtv/themes/defaultmenu//library.xml 2011-10-26 16:16:37.723 XMLParseBase: Loading window theme from /usr/share/mythtv/themes/metallurgy/recordings-ui.xml 2011-10-26 16:16:47.991 MythContext: Connecting to backend server: 192.168.2.3:6543 (try 1 of 1) 2011-10-26 16:16:47.998 Using protocol version 23056 2011-10-26 16:16:55.044 PlaybackBox: UpdateUIListItem called with a title unknown to us in m_recordingList Jessie:Zombie Tea Party 5 2011-10-26 16:16:58.624 MythSocket(92ded58:39): Unable to lookup: 2011-10-26 16:16:58.625 RemoteFile::openSocket(control socket), Error: Could not connect to server :6543 2011
Re: [gentoo-user] Mythtv problems
Am Mittwoch, 26. Oktober 2011, 16:51:15 schrieb Michael Sullivan: On 10/26/11 16:46, Michael Schreckenbauer wrote: Am Mittwoch, 26. Oktober 2011, 16:25:37 schrieb Michael Sullivan: Here's my output from a mythfrontend run at the terminal: michael@camille ~ $ mythfrontend 2011-10-26 16:16:27.121 mythfrontend version: branches/release-0-23-fixes [27077] www.mythtv.org 2011-10-26 16:16:27.121 Using runtime prefix = /usr 2011-10-26 16:16:27.121 Using configuration directory = /home/michael/.mythtv 2011-10-26 16:16:27.940 Unable to read configuration file mysql.txt 2011-10-26 16:16:27.940 Empty LocalHostName. 2011-10-26 16:16:27.940 Using localhost value of camille 2011-10-26 16:16:28.039 New DB connection, total: 1 2011-10-26 16:16:28.090 Connected to database 'mythconverg' at host: localhost 2011-10-26 16:16:28.091 Closing DB connection named 'DBManager0' 2011-10-26 16:16:28.181 ScreenSaverX11Private: XScreenSaver support enabled 2011-10-26 16:16:28.183 DPMS is disabled. 2011-10-26 16:16:28.185 Primary screen: 0. 2011-10-26 16:16:28.186 Connected to database 'mythconverg' at host: localhost 2011-10-26 16:16:28.189 Using screen 0, 1024x768 at 0,0 2011-10-26 16:16:28.242 Desktop video mode: 1024x768 75.0807 Hz 2011-10-26 16:16:28.756 MythUI Image Cache size set to 20971520 bytes 2011-10-26 16:16:28.861 Enabled verbose msgs: important general 2011-10-26 16:16:28.876 Primary screen: 0. 2011-10-26 16:16:28.881 Using screen 0, 1024x768 at 0,0 2011-10-26 16:16:28.898 Using theme base resolution of 1280x720 2011-10-26 16:16:28.935 LIRC, Error: Failed to connect to Unix socket '/var/run/lirc/lircd' eno: No such file or directory (2) 2011-10-26 16:16:28.935 JoystickMenuThread Error: Joystick disabled - Failed to read /home/michael/.mythtv/joystickmenurc 2011-10-26 16:16:29.061 Using Frameless Window 2011-10-26 16:16:29.061 Using Full Screen Window 2011-10-26 16:16:29.892 Using the Qt painter 2011-10-26 16:16:30.306 XMLParseBase: Loaded base theme from '/usr/share/mythtv/themes/metallurgy/base.xml' 2011-10-26 16:16:30.525 XMLParseBase: Loaded base theme from '/usr/share/mythtv/themes/default-wide/base.xml' 2011-10-26 16:16:30.800 XMLParseBase: Loaded base theme from '/usr/share/mythtv/themes/default/base.xml' 2011-10-26 16:16:30.807 New DB connection, total: 2 2011-10-26 16:16:30.820 Current MythTV Schema Version (DBSchemaVer): 1254 2011-10-26 16:16:30.822 Connected to database 'mythconverg' at host: localhost 2011-10-26 16:16:32.928 Registering Internal as a media playback plugin. 2011-10-26 16:16:33.145 Current MythMusic Schema Version (MusicDBSchemaVer): 1017 2011-10-26 16:16:33.338 MMUnix::AddDevice() Error: failed to stat /dev/bdi, eno: No such file or directory (2) 2011-10-26 16:16:33.352 MMUnix::AddDevice() Error: failed to stat /dev/power, eno: No such file or directory (2) 2011-10-26 16:16:33.371 MMUnix::AddDevice() Error: failed to stat /dev/bdi, eno: No such file or directory (2) 2011-10-26 16:16:33.386 MMUnix::AddDevice() Error: failed to stat /dev/power, eno: No such file or directory (2) 2011-10-26 16:16:33.403 MonitorRegisterExtensions(0x40, mp3,mp2,ogg,oga,flac,wma,wav,ac3,oma,omg,atp,ra,dts,aac,m4a,aa3,tta,mk a,aiff ,swa,wv) 2011-10-26 16:16:33.421 Cannot load language en_us for module mythmusic 2011-10-26 16:16:33.425 XMLParseBase: Loading window theme from /usr/share/mythtv/themes/metallurgy/menu-ui.xml mount: can't find /dev/sdd1 in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab 2011-10-26 16:16:33.538 Failed to mount /dev/sdd1. 2011-10-26 16:16:33.545 CD/DVD '/mnt/cdrom' contained none of /VIDEO_TS, /.TOC.plist, /vcd or /svcd 2011-10-26 16:16:33.545 Searching CD statistically - file by file! 2011-10-26 16:16:34.035 Loading menu theme from /usr/share/mythtv/themes/defaultmenu//mainmenu.xml 2011-10-26 16:16:34.046 Found mainmenu.xml for theme 'metallurgy' 2011-10-26 16:16:34.225 MythContext: Connecting to backend server: 192.168.2.3:6543 (try 1 of 1) 2011-10-26 16:16:34.242 Using protocol version 23056 2011-10-26 16:16:36.240 Loading menu theme from /usr/share/mythtv/themes/defaultmenu//library.xml 2011-10-26 16:16:37.723 XMLParseBase: Loading window theme from /usr/share/mythtv/themes/metallurgy/recordings-ui.xml 2011-10-26 16:16:47.991 MythContext: Connecting to backend server: 192.168.2.3:6543 (try 1 of 1) 2011-10-26 16:16:47.998 Using protocol version 23056 2011-10-26 16:16:55.044 PlaybackBox: UpdateUIListItem called with a title unknown to us in m_recordingList Jessie:Zombie Tea Party 5 2011-10-26 16:16:58.624 MythSocket(92ded58:39): Unable to lookup: 2011-10-26 16:16:58.625 RemoteFile::openSocket(control socket), Error: Could not connect to server :6543 2011
Re: [gentoo-user] Mythtv problems
Am Mittwoch, 26. Oktober 2011, 17:14:08 schrieb Michael Sullivan:
camille ~ # mysql -u root mysql -p
Enter password:
Reading table information for completion of table and column names
You can turn off this feature to get a quicker startup with -A
Welcome to the MySQL monitor. Commands end with ; or \g.
Your MySQL connection id is 3
Server version: 5.1.56-log Gentoo Linux mysql-5.1.56
Copyright (c) 2000, 2010, Oracle and/or its affiliates. All rights
reserved. This software comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY. This is
free software, and you are welcome to modify and redistribute it
under the GPL v2 license
Type 'help;' or '\h' for help. Type '\c' to clear the current input
statement.
mysql UPDATE user SET Password=PASSWORD('mythtv') WHERE
user='mythtv';
Query OK, 0 rows affected (0.00 sec)
Rows matched: 2 Changed: 0 Warnings: 0
mysql FLUSH PRIVILEGES;
ERROR 1146 (42S02): Table 'mysql.servers' doesn't exist
mysql quit
Bye
Your mysql is broken somehow. Did you by any chance upgrade mysql? Try
running mysql_upgrade.
Best,
Michael
michael@camille ~ $ mythfrontend
2011-10-26 16:16:27.121 mythfrontend version:
branches/release-0-23-fixes [27077] www.mythtv.org
2011-10-26 16:16:27.121 Using runtime prefix = /usr
2011-10-26 16:16:27.121 Using configuration directory =
/home/michael/.mythtv
2011-10-26 16:16:27.940 Unable to read configuration file mysql.txt
2011-10-26 16:16:27.940 Empty LocalHostName.
2011-10-26 16:16:27.940 Using localhost value of camille
2011-10-26 16:16:28.039 New DB connection, total: 1
2011-10-26 16:16:28.090 Connected to database 'mythconverg' at host:
localhost
2011-10-26 16:16:28.091 Closing DB connection named 'DBManager0'
2011-10-26 16:16:28.181 ScreenSaverX11Private: XScreenSaver support enabled
2011-10-26 16:16:28.183 DPMS is disabled.
2011-10-26 16:16:28.185 Primary screen: 0.
2011-10-26 16:16:28.186 Connected to database 'mythconverg' at host:
localhost
2011-10-26 16:16:28.189 Using screen 0, 1024x768 at 0,0
2011-10-26 16:16:28.242 Desktop video mode: 1024x768 75.0807 Hz
2011-10-26 16:16:28.756 MythUI Image Cache size set to 20971520 bytes
2011-10-26 16:16:28.861 Enabled verbose msgs: important general
2011-10-26 16:16:28.876 Primary screen: 0.
2011-10-26 16:16:28.881 Using screen 0, 1024x768 at 0,0
2011-10-26 16:16:28.898 Using theme base resolution of 1280x720
2011-10-26 16:16:28.935 LIRC, Error: Failed to connect to Unix socket
'/var/run/lirc/lircd'
eno: No such file or directory (2)
2011-10-26 16:16:28.935 JoystickMenuThread Error: Joystick disabled -
Failed to read /home/michael/.mythtv/joystickmenurc
2011-10-26 16:16:29.061 Using Frameless Window
2011-10-26 16:16:29.061 Using Full Screen Window
2011-10-26 16:16:29.892 Using the Qt painter
2011-10-26 16:16:30.306 XMLParseBase: Loaded base theme from
'/usr/share/mythtv/themes/metallurgy/base.xml'
2011-10-26 16:16:30.525 XMLParseBase: Loaded base theme from
'/usr/share/mythtv/themes/default-wide/base.xml'
2011-10-26 16:16:30.800 XMLParseBase: Loaded base theme from
'/usr/share/mythtv/themes/default/base.xml'
2011-10-26 16:16:30.807 New DB connection, total: 2
2011-10-26 16:16:30.820 Current MythTV Schema Version (DBSchemaVer): 1254
2011-10-26 16:16:30.822 Connected to database 'mythconverg' at host:
localhost
2011-10-26 16:16:32.928 Registering Internal as a media playback plugin.
2011-10-26 16:16:33.145 Current MythMusic Schema Version
(MusicDBSchemaVer): 1017
2011-10-26 16:16:33.338 MMUnix::AddDevice() Error: failed to stat /dev/bdi,
eno: No such file or directory (2)
2011-10-26 16:16:33.352 MMUnix::AddDevice() Error: failed to stat
/dev/power,
eno: No such file or directory (2)
2011-10-26 16:16:33.371 MMUnix::AddDevice() Error: failed to stat /dev/bdi,
eno: No such file or directory (2)
2011-10-26 16:16:33.386 MMUnix::AddDevice() Error: failed to stat
/dev/power,
eno: No such file or directory (2)
2011-10-26 16:16:33.403 MonitorRegisterExtensions(0x40,
mp3,mp2,ogg,oga,flac,wma,wav,ac3,oma,omg,atp,ra,dts,aac,m4a,aa3,tta,mka,aiff
,swa,wv) 2011-10-26 16:16:33.421 Cannot load language en_us for module
mythmusic 2011-10-26 16:16:33.425 XMLParseBase: Loading window theme from
/usr/share/mythtv/themes/metallurgy/menu-ui.xml
mount: can't find /dev/sdd1 in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab
2011-10-26 16:16:33.538 Failed to mount /dev/sdd1.
2011-10-26 16:16:33.545 CD/DVD '/mnt/cdrom' contained none of
/VIDEO_TS, /.TOC.plist, /vcd or /svcd
2011-10-26 16:16:33.545 Searching CD statistically - file by file!
2011-10-26 16:16:34.035 Loading menu theme from
/usr/share/mythtv/themes/defaultmenu//mainmenu.xml
2011-10-26 16:16:34.046 Found mainmenu.xml for theme 'metallurgy'
2011-10-26 16:16:34.225 MythContext: Connecting to backend server:
192.168.2.3:6543 (try 1 of 1)
2011-10-26
Re: [gentoo-user] Mythtv problems
Am Mittwoch, 26. Oktober 2011, 17:30:16 schrieb Michael Sullivan: On 10/26/11 17:09, Michael Schreckenbauer wrote: Am Mittwoch, 26. Oktober 2011, 16:51:15 schrieb Michael Sullivan: On 10/26/11 16:46, Michael Schreckenbauer wrote: Am Mittwoch, 26. Oktober 2011, 16:25:37 schrieb Michael Sullivan: Here's my output from a mythfrontend run at the terminal: michael@camille ~ $ mythfrontend 2011-10-26 16:16:27.121 mythfrontend version: branches/release-0-23-fixes [27077] www.mythtv.org 2011-10-26 16:16:27.121 Using runtime prefix = /usr 2011-10-26 16:16:27.121 Using configuration directory = /home/michael/.mythtv 2011-10-26 16:16:27.940 Unable to read configuration file mysql.txt 2011-10-26 16:16:27.940 Empty LocalHostName. 2011-10-26 16:16:27.940 Using localhost value of camille 2011-10-26 16:16:28.039 New DB connection, total: 1 2011-10-26 16:16:28.090 Connected to database 'mythconverg' at host: localhost 2011-10-26 16:16:28.091 Closing DB connection named 'DBManager0' 2011-10-26 16:16:28.181 ScreenSaverX11Private: XScreenSaver support enabled 2011-10-26 16:16:28.183 DPMS is disabled. 2011-10-26 16:16:28.185 Primary screen: 0. 2011-10-26 16:16:28.186 Connected to database 'mythconverg' at host: localhost 2011-10-26 16:16:28.189 Using screen 0, 1024x768 at 0,0 2011-10-26 16:16:28.242 Desktop video mode: 1024x768 75.0807 Hz 2011-10-26 16:16:28.756 MythUI Image Cache size set to 20971520 bytes 2011-10-26 16:16:28.861 Enabled verbose msgs: important general 2011-10-26 16:16:28.876 Primary screen: 0. 2011-10-26 16:16:28.881 Using screen 0, 1024x768 at 0,0 2011-10-26 16:16:28.898 Using theme base resolution of 1280x720 2011-10-26 16:16:28.935 LIRC, Error: Failed to connect to Unix socket '/var/run/lirc/lircd' eno: No such file or directory (2) 2011-10-26 16:16:28.935 JoystickMenuThread Error: Joystick disabled - Failed to read /home/michael/.mythtv/joystickmenurc 2011-10-26 16:16:29.061 Using Frameless Window 2011-10-26 16:16:29.061 Using Full Screen Window 2011-10-26 16:16:29.892 Using the Qt painter 2011-10-26 16:16:30.306 XMLParseBase: Loaded base theme from '/usr/share/mythtv/themes/metallurgy/base.xml' 2011-10-26 16:16:30.525 XMLParseBase: Loaded base theme from '/usr/share/mythtv/themes/default-wide/base.xml' 2011-10-26 16:16:30.800 XMLParseBase: Loaded base theme from '/usr/share/mythtv/themes/default/base.xml' 2011-10-26 16:16:30.807 New DB connection, total: 2 2011-10-26 16:16:30.820 Current MythTV Schema Version (DBSchemaVer): 1254 2011-10-26 16:16:30.822 Connected to database 'mythconverg' at host: localhost 2011-10-26 16:16:32.928 Registering Internal as a media playback plugin. 2011-10-26 16:16:33.145 Current MythMusic Schema Version (MusicDBSchemaVer): 1017 2011-10-26 16:16:33.338 MMUnix::AddDevice() Error: failed to stat /dev/bdi, eno: No such file or directory (2) 2011-10-26 16:16:33.352 MMUnix::AddDevice() Error: failed to stat /dev/power, eno: No such file or directory (2) 2011-10-26 16:16:33.371 MMUnix::AddDevice() Error: failed to stat /dev/bdi, eno: No such file or directory (2) 2011-10-26 16:16:33.386 MMUnix::AddDevice() Error: failed to stat /dev/power, eno: No such file or directory (2) 2011-10-26 16:16:33.403 MonitorRegisterExtensions(0x40, mp3,mp2,ogg,oga,flac,wma,wav,ac3,oma,omg,atp,ra,dts,aac,m4a,aa3,tt a,mk a,aiff ,swa,wv) 2011-10-26 16:16:33.421 Cannot load language en_us for module mythmusic 2011-10-26 16:16:33.425 XMLParseBase: Loading window theme from /usr/share/mythtv/themes/metallurgy/menu-ui.xml mount: can't find /dev/sdd1 in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab 2011-10-26 16:16:33.538 Failed to mount /dev/sdd1. 2011-10-26 16:16:33.545 CD/DVD '/mnt/cdrom' contained none of /VIDEO_TS, /.TOC.plist, /vcd or /svcd 2011-10-26 16:16:33.545 Searching CD statistically - file by file! 2011-10-26 16:16:34.035 Loading menu theme from /usr/share/mythtv/themes/defaultmenu//mainmenu.xml 2011-10-26 16:16:34.046 Found mainmenu.xml for theme 'metallurgy' 2011-10-26 16:16:34.225 MythContext: Connecting to backend server: 192.168.2.3:6543 (try 1 of 1) 2011-10-26 16:16:34.242 Using protocol version 23056 2011-10-26 16:16:36.240 Loading menu theme from /usr/share/mythtv/themes/defaultmenu//library.xml 2011-10-26 16:16:37.723 XMLParseBase: Loading window theme from /usr/share/mythtv/themes/metallurgy/recordings-ui.xml 2011-10-26 16:16:47.991 MythContext: Connecting to backend server: 192.168.2.3:6543 (try 1 of 1) 2011-10-26 16:16:47.998 Using protocol version 23056 2011-10-26 16:16:55.044 PlaybackBox: UpdateUIListItem called with a title unknown to us in m_recordingList Jessie:Zombie Tea Party 5 2011-10-26 16:16:58.624 MythSocket(92ded58:39): Unable to lookup
Re: [gentoo-user] Mythtv problems
Am Mittwoch, 26. Oktober 2011, 17:42:14 schrieb Michael Sullivan: On 10/26/11 17:32, Michael Schreckenbauer wrote: So you did run mysql_upgrade and same as before? Some words about what you did and some relevant output of the command (if any) wouldn't hurt ;) Have you tried mysql_fix_privilege_tables? After that, you would need to run the steps mentioned in the wiki again (I think), giving the password you entered in myth-setup to the UPDATE command. Best, Michael camille ~ # mysql_upgrade -p Enter password: Looking for 'mysql' as: mysql Looking for 'mysqlcheck' as: mysqlcheck Running 'mysqlcheck' with connection arguments: '--port=3306' '--socket=/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' Failed to ALTER DATABASE `#mysql50#mythconverg.bak` UPGRADE DATA DIRECTORY NAME Error: Incorrect database name '#mysql50#mythconverg.bak' Running 'mysqlcheck' with connection arguments: '--port=3306' '--socket=/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' forum.phpbb_auth_access error: Table upgrade required. Please do REPAIR TABLE `phpbb_auth_access` or dump/reload to fix it! forum.phpbb_banlist error: Table upgrade required. Please do REPAIR TABLE `phpbb_banlist` or dump/reload to fix it! forum.phpbb_categories error: Table upgrade required. Please do REPAIR TABLE `phpbb_categories` or dump/reload to fix it! forum.phpbb_config error: Table upgrade required. Please do REPAIR TABLE `phpbb_config` or dump/reload to fix it! forum.phpbb_confirm error: Table upgrade required. Please do REPAIR TABLE `phpbb_confirm` or dump/reload to fix it! forum.phpbb_disallow error: Table upgrade required. Please do REPAIR TABLE `phpbb_disallow` or dump/reload to fix it! forum.phpbb_forum_prune error: Table upgrade required. Please do REPAIR TABLE `phpbb_forum_prune` or dump/reload to fix it! forum.phpbb_forums error: Table upgrade required. Please do REPAIR TABLE `phpbb_forums` or dump/reload to fix it! forum.phpbb_groups error: Table upgrade required. Please do REPAIR TABLE `phpbb_groups` or dump/reload to fix it! forum.phpbb_posts error: Table upgrade required. Please do REPAIR TABLE `phpbb_posts` or dump/reload to fix it! forum.phpbb_posts_text error: Table upgrade required. Please do REPAIR TABLE `phpbb_posts_text` or dump/reload to fix it! forum.phpbb_privmsgs error: Table upgrade required. Please do REPAIR TABLE `phpbb_privmsgs` or dump/reload to fix it! forum.phpbb_privmsgs_text error: Table upgrade required. Please do REPAIR TABLE `phpbb_privmsgs_text` or dump/reload to fix it! forum.phpbb_ranks error: Table upgrade required. Please do REPAIR TABLE `phpbb_ranks` or dump/reload to fix it! forum.phpbb_search_results error: Table upgrade required. Please do REPAIR TABLE `phpbb_search_results` or dump/reload to fix it! forum.phpbb_search_wordlist error: Table upgrade required. Please do REPAIR TABLE `phpbb_search_wordlist` or dump/reload to fix it! forum.phpbb_search_wordmatch error: Table upgrade required. Please do REPAIR TABLE `phpbb_search_wordmatch` or dump/reload to fix it! forum.phpbb_sessions error: Table upgrade required. Please do REPAIR TABLE `phpbb_sessions` or dump/reload to fix it! forum.phpbb_sessions_keys error: Table upgrade required. Please do REPAIR TABLE `phpbb_sessions_keys` or dump/reload to fix it! forum.phpbb_smilies error: Table upgrade required. Please do REPAIR TABLE `phpbb_smilies` or dump/reload to fix it! forum.phpbb_themes error: Table upgrade required. Please do REPAIR TABLE `phpbb_themes` or dump/reload to fix it! forum.phpbb_themes_name error: Table upgrade required. Please do REPAIR TABLE `phpbb_themes_name` or dump/reload to fix it! forum.phpbb_topics error: Table upgrade required. Please do REPAIR TABLE `phpbb_topics` or dump/reload to fix it! forum.phpbb_topics_watch error: Table upgrade required. Please do REPAIR TABLE `phpbb_topics_watch` or dump/reload to fix it! forum.phpbb_user_group error: Table upgrade required. Please do REPAIR TABLE `phpbb_user_group` or dump/reload to fix it! forum.phpbb_users error: Table upgrade required. Please do REPAIR TABLE `phpbb_users` or dump/reload to fix it! forum.phpbb_vote_desc error: Table upgrade required. Please do REPAIR TABLE `phpbb_vote_desc` or dump/reload to fix it! forum.phpbb_vote_results error: Table upgrade required. Please do REPAIR TABLE `phpbb_vote_results` or dump/reload to fix it! forum.phpbb_vote_voters error: Table upgrade required. Please do REPAIR TABLE `phpbb_vote_voters` or dump/reload to fix it! forum.phpbb_words error: Table upgrade required. Please do REPAIR TABLE `phpbb_words` or dump/reload to fix it! movies.also_available error: Table upgrade required. Please do REPAIR TABLE `also_available` or dump/reload to fix it! movies.do_not_watch error: Table upgrade required. Please do REPAIR TABLE `do_not_watch
Re: [gentoo-user] Mythtv problems
Am Mittwoch, 26. Oktober 2011, 17:33:04 schrieb Michael Sullivan: I ran mythfilldatabase and redirected it to a file. I don't know if this list allows attachments or not, and it's probably too long to paste here. At the end though I saw something strange: 2011-10-26 17:26:04.731 Grab complete. Actual data from Tue Nov 8 05:00:00 2011 to Wed Nov 9 05:00:00 2011 (UTC) 2011-10-26 17:26:04.734 Main temp tables populated. 2011-10-26 17:26:04.849 Did not find any new program data. 2011-10-26 17:26:04.850 Failed to fetch some program info 2011-10-26 17:26:04.855 mythfilldatabase: Failed to fetch some program info 2011-10-26 17:26:04.855 Adjusting program database end times. 2011-10-26 17:26:04.856 0 replacements made 2011-10-26 17:26:04.859 mythfilldatabase: Listings Download Finished 2011-10-26 17:26:04.859 Marking generic episodes. 2011-10-26 17:26:04.860 Found 0 2011-10-26 17:26:04.860 Fudging non-unique programids with multiple parts. 2011-10-26 17:26:04.861 Found 0 2011-10-26 17:26:04.862 Marking repeats. 2011-10-26 17:26:04.865 Found 0 2011-10-26 17:26:04.865 Unmarking new episode rebroadcast repeats. 2011-10-26 17:26:04.866 Found 0 2011-10-26 17:26:04.866 Marking episode first showings. 2011-10-26 17:26:04.868 Found 0 2011-10-26 17:26:04.868 Marking episode last showings. 2011-10-26 17:26:04.869 Found 0 2011-10-26 17:26:04.874 Grabbing next suggested grabbing time 2011-10-26 17:26:05.350 DataDirect: BlockedTime is: 2011-10-26T17:26:05 2011-10-26 17:26:05.350 DataDirect: NextSuggestedTime is: 2011-10-27T06:07:21 2011-10-26 17:26:05.355 === | Attempting to contact the master backend for rescheduling. | | If the master is not running, rescheduling will happen when | | the master backend is restarted.| === 2011-10-26 17:26:05.366 MythContext: Connecting to backend server: 192.168.2.3:6543 (try 1 of 1) 2011-10-26 17:26:05.367 Using protocol version 23056 2011-10-26 17:26:05.420 Received a remote 'Clear Cache' request 2011-10-26 17:26:06.458 mythfilldatabase run complete. 2011-10-26 17:26:06.459 DataDirect: Deleting temporary files It failed to fetch some program info and it did not find any episodes OF ANY KIND! I have no program listings available at all in mythfrontend. How do I fix this? Is xmltv installed? Or do you use some other way to get listings? Best, Michael
Re: [gentoo-user] Mythtv problems
Am Mittwoch, 26. Oktober 2011, 17:59:50 schrieb Michael Sullivan: So your mythtv-tables are ok afaics. you need to repair your php-bb tables at some time, but that's a different topic. From your other post I conclude, that connecting to the backend now works, but you don't get a program listing. I'll answer there, to keep things related together. Best, Michael I spent some time repairing tables. Does this look better? camille ~ # mysql_upgrade -p Enter password: Looking for 'mysql' as: mysql Looking for 'mysqlcheck' as: mysqlcheck Running 'mysqlcheck' with connection arguments: '--port=3306' '--socket=/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' Failed to ALTER DATABASE `#mysql50#mythconverg.bak` UPGRADE DATA DIRECTORY NAME Error: Incorrect database name '#mysql50#mythconverg.bak' this looks strange. I have no idea what to do about this currently. Running 'mysqlcheck' with connection arguments: '--port=3306' '--socket=/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' myFantasy.actions OK myFantasy.allyAbilitiesOK myFantasy.characters OK myFantasy.classOK myFantasy.enemyOK myFantasy.enemyAbility OK myFantasy.magicOK myFantasy.partyOK mysql.columns_priv OK mysql.db OK mysql.eventOK mysql.func OK mysql.general_log Error: You can't use locks with log tables. status : OK mysql.help_categoryOK mysql.help_keyword OK mysql.help_relationOK mysql.help_topic OK mysql.host OK mysql.ndb_binlog_index OK mysql.plugin OK mysql.proc OK mysql.procs_priv OK mysql.servers OK mysql.slow_log Error: You can't use locks with log tables. status : OK mysql.tables_priv OK mysql.time_zoneOK mysql.time_zone_leap_secondOK mysql.time_zone_name OK mysql.time_zone_transition OK mysql.time_zone_transition_typeOK mysql.user OK mysql_cpp_data.images OK mysql_cpp_data.stock Error: Table 'mysql_cpp_data.stock' doesn't exist status : Operation failed Dito. I miss your php-bb tables here. Deleted? ;) mythconverg.archiveitems OK mythconverg.callsignnetworkmap OK mythconverg.capturecardOK mythconverg.cardinput OK mythconverg.channelOK mythconverg.channelgroup OK mythconverg.channelgroupnames OK mythconverg.channelscanOK mythconverg.channelscan_channelOK mythconverg.channelscan_dtv_multiplex OK mythconverg.codecparamsOK mythconverg.creditsOK mythconverg.customexample OK mythconverg.diseqc_config OK mythconverg.diseqc_treeOK mythconverg.displayprofilegroups OK mythconverg.displayprofilesOK mythconverg.dtv_multiplex OK mythconverg.dtv_privatetypes OK mythconverg.dvdbookmarkOK mythconverg.dvdinput OK mythconverg.dvdtranscode OK mythconverg.eit_cache OK mythconverg.filemarkup OK mythconverg.gamemetadata OK mythconverg.gameplayersOK mythconverg.housekeeping OK mythconverg.inputgroup OK mythconverg.inuseprograms OK mythconverg.jobqueue OK mythconverg.jumppoints OK mythconverg.keybindingsOK mythconverg.keywordOK mythconverg.music_albumart OK mythconverg.music_albums OK mythconverg.music_artists OK mythconverg.music_directories OK
Re: [gentoo-user] Mythtv problems
Am Mittwoch, 26. Oktober 2011, 18:10:08 schrieb Michael Sullivan: On 10/26/11 17:58, Michael Schreckenbauer wrote: Am Mittwoch, 26. Oktober 2011, 17:33:04 schrieb Michael Sullivan: I ran mythfilldatabase and redirected it to a file. I don't know if this list allows attachments or not, and it's probably too long to paste here. At the end though I saw something strange: 2011-10-26 17:26:04.731 Grab complete. Actual data from Tue Nov 8 05:00:00 2011 to Wed Nov 9 05:00:00 2011 (UTC) 2011-10-26 17:26:04.734 Main temp tables populated. 2011-10-26 17:26:04.849 Did not find any new program data. 2011-10-26 17:26:04.850 Failed to fetch some program info 2011-10-26 17:26:04.855 mythfilldatabase: Failed to fetch some program info 2011-10-26 17:26:04.855 Adjusting program database end times. 2011-10-26 17:26:04.856 0 replacements made 2011-10-26 17:26:04.859 mythfilldatabase: Listings Download Finished 2011-10-26 17:26:04.859 Marking generic episodes. 2011-10-26 17:26:04.860 Found 0 2011-10-26 17:26:04.860 Fudging non-unique programids with multiple parts. 2011-10-26 17:26:04.861 Found 0 2011-10-26 17:26:04.862 Marking repeats. 2011-10-26 17:26:04.865 Found 0 2011-10-26 17:26:04.865 Unmarking new episode rebroadcast repeats. 2011-10-26 17:26:04.866 Found 0 2011-10-26 17:26:04.866 Marking episode first showings. 2011-10-26 17:26:04.868 Found 0 2011-10-26 17:26:04.868 Marking episode last showings. 2011-10-26 17:26:04.869 Found 0 2011-10-26 17:26:04.874 Grabbing next suggested grabbing time 2011-10-26 17:26:05.350 DataDirect: BlockedTime is: 2011-10-26T17:26:05 2011-10-26 17:26:05.350 DataDirect: NextSuggestedTime is: 2011-10-27T06:07:21 2011-10-26 17:26:05.355 === | Attempting to contact the master backend for rescheduling. | | If the master is not running, rescheduling will happen when | | the master backend is restarted.| === 2011-10-26 17:26:05.366 MythContext: Connecting to backend server: 192.168.2.3:6543 (try 1 of 1) 2011-10-26 17:26:05.367 Using protocol version 23056 2011-10-26 17:26:05.420 Received a remote 'Clear Cache' request 2011-10-26 17:26:06.458 mythfilldatabase run complete. 2011-10-26 17:26:06.459 DataDirect: Deleting temporary files It failed to fetch some program info and it did not find any episodes OF ANY KIND! I have no program listings available at all in mythfrontend. How do I fix this? Is xmltv installed? Or do you use some other way to get listings? Best, Michael It's been so long (as I said at the beginning of this thread, my setup has just worked since 2006. sorry, too much information in this thread. Missed that. I guess I do. My log files say it emerged this morning. Is there any configuration I need to do on it? I didn't see any in the README file in /usr/share/doc/xmltv-0.5.50... Not that I know of. Puh, currently I am out of ideas, sorry. Best, Michael
Re: [gentoo-user] Kernel Panic fglrx
Hi, Am Montag, 24. Oktober 2011, 16:36:00 schrieb 4k3nd0: hi guys, somehow my fglrx is unstable. Got sometime a crashing fglrx that pulling down the hole system. Someone maybe a idea to fix this? http://pastebin.com/izFnWD7N [fglrx] ASIC hang happened is a message indicating a deadlock in a compute-kernel (shader, GPGPU), which in almost all cases is a userspace bug or the timeout in fglrx is too low for the kernel in question. I'm no expert in tweaking fglrx, but afaict there's nothing you can do except wait for an update of the driver. You could also try the opensource-drivers (I think r600 in your case), cause those do their own heuristics to determine hanging or deadlocked compute- kernels. Best, Michael
Re: [gentoo-user] Kernel Panic fglrx
Am Montag, 24. Oktober 2011, 18:11:45 schrieb 4k3nd0: On 10/24/11 17:31, Michael Schreckenbauer wrote: Hi, Am Montag, 24. Oktober 2011, 16:36:00 schrieb 4k3nd0: hi guys, somehow my fglrx is unstable. Got sometime a crashing fglrx that pulling down the hole system. Someone maybe a idea to fix this? http://pastebin.com/izFnWD7N [fglrx] ASIC hang happened is a message indicating a deadlock in a compute-kernel (shader, GPGPU), which in almost all cases is a userspace bug or the timeout in fglrx is too low for the kernel in question. I'm no expert in tweaking fglrx, but afaict there's nothing you can do except wait for an update of the driver. You could also try the opensource-drivers (I think r600 in your case), cause those do their own heuristics to determine hanging or deadlocked compute- kernels. Best, Michael Thank you. Do you think using a newer version of xserver would help? Always worth a try imo. But I wouldn't expect too much from doing this. The driver thinks, that a compute-kernel hangs or is deadlocked. If this assumption is correct, the userspace app needs a fix otherwise the driver is faulty. Is this problem related to running a special app or DE? Or does it happen always? Best, Michael
Re: [gentoo-user] Kernel Panic fglrx
Am Montag, 24. Oktober 2011, 18:49:36 schrieb Volker Armin Hemmann: Am Montag 24 Oktober 2011, 16:36:00 schrieb 4k3nd0: hi guys, somehow my fglrx is unstable. Got sometime a crashing fglrx that pulling down the hole system. Someone maybe a idea to fix this? http://pastebin.com/izFnWD7N I'm using the 11.9 ati-drivers, i got a ATI Readon HD6990 M uname -a Linux Slaxy 3.0.7-gentoo #1 SMP Sat Oct 22 20:44:41 CEST 2011 x86_64 Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-2820QM CPU @ 2.30GHz GenuineIntel GNU/Linux Using xorg-server 1.10.4-r1 Greeting's from Germany 4k3nd0 well, the first thing is always: don't use patched kernels. gentoo kernels are patched. Use vanilla. See if the problems persist. Good advice in general. But afaik the deadlock detection happens completely in the driver, so I am not convinced other parts of the kernel could cause this. I might be wrong about this though. fglrx has been solid for me for the last half of a year. With uptimes of two weeks and more, reboots always caused by kernel updates. Best, Michael
Re: [gentoo-user] Issue 3 - CD Playing
Am Freitag, 21. Oktober 2011, 20:35:07 schrieb Jonas de Buhr: Am Fri, 21 Oct 2011 12:43:09 -0400 schrieb Colleen Beamer colleen.bea...@gmail.com: P.S. kscd will display the track listings on the CD, but will not play. again, please check for the audio cable going from cd-rom to soundcard or have a look at the link i posted earlier. FWIW, I don't have this cable and my kscd has no extras-settings behaviour, where I could switch use direct digital playback like mentioned in your link (has yours?), but it plays audio-cds just fine from my SATA-drive. Best, Michael
Re: [gentoo-user] Issue 3 - CD Playing
Am Freitag, 21. Oktober 2011, 22:01:06 schrieb Jonas de Buhr: Am Fri, 21 Oct 2011 21:24:52 +0200 schrieb Michael Schreckenbauer grim...@gmx.de: Am Freitag, 21. Oktober 2011, 20:35:07 schrieb Jonas de Buhr: Am Fri, 21 Oct 2011 12:43:09 -0400 schrieb Colleen Beamer colleen.bea...@gmail.com: P.S. kscd will display the track listings on the CD, but will not play. again, please check for the audio cable going from cd-rom to soundcard or have a look at the link i posted earlier. FWIW, I don't have this cable and my kscd has no extras-settings behaviour, where I could switch use direct digital playback like mentioned in your link (has yours?) i just emerged it (i don't normally use CDs more than once for ripping, I am old fashioned in this regard. I have ~500 LPs and some more CDs and listen to them on my ancient, but excellent, Onkyo-HiFi. Of course my computer is connected to it, so I can listen to mp3s using this superb hardware too :) can't see why anyone would) and it indeed has not. maybe the option was moved to the backend? Doesn't seem so. I looked really, really hard to find this setting anywhere, cause I remember there was one quite some time ago. Nothing, nowhere afaict. , but it plays audio-cds just fine from my SATA-drive. well... its not a big revelation that this is possible ;) as long as the functionality for direct playback (through the extra cable) wasn't completely removed from kscd (possible, anyone interested should read the changelogs) it's still a very reasonable explanation for this problem since it's working in caffeine but not in a simple application like kscd which is more likely to rely on builtin functionality. I think, that this is gstreamer related. Colleen uses phonon-gstreamer, whereas I use phonon-xine, because I had only bad experiences with the gstreamer phonon-backend. Best, Michael
Re: [gentoo-user] Issue 3 - CD Playing
Hi Colleen, On Tuesday, 18. October 2011 19:16:17 Colleen Beamer wrote: Hi everyone, I have googled this problem and tried everything and can't seem to resolve the issue. My CD drive will read data CD's, but will not play audio CD's. I've tried with kscd and Kaffeine. Haven't installed amarok yet. I've checked and rechecked my settings in the kernel. In /dev cdrom is a symlink to sr0. Nothing I've read in anything that came up in my google search helped. Oops! Forgot to add this to my original message: When I try to play an audio CD in kaffeine, I get an alert box that says: Cannot find input plgin for MRL cdda:// cdda is one of my USE flags. I have tried upgrading phonon-gstreamer 'cause I read somewhere that the problem might be with phonon. gstreamer never worked for me. I use phonon-xine and audio-cds play fine with kscd and kaffeine. I checked phonon-vlc also and it works too. Best, Michael
Re: [gentoo-user] Apologize to everyone for my nonprofessional
Hi Canek, On Saturday, 15. October 2011 00:50:22 Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: On Sat, Oct 15, 2011 at 12:34 AM, Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Oct 14, 2011 at 11:56 PM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: Pandu Poluan wrote: On Oct 15, 2011 5:49 AM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: Neil Bothwick wrote: On Fri, 14 Oct 2011 11:15:24 -0500, Dale wrote: A'right now. I'm going to start on hal and /usr being on / again. :-P Jeez, 43 years on and you're still going on about it... Dang, I was only a year old when hal came out? That just doubled my age. It's closer to what I feel like tho. I'm still not happy with /usr being required tho. That is still standing on a bad nerve. Don't worry tho, I got plenty of those bad nerves. :-P Do you know that there's a plan to move /var/run to / also? ;-) Rgds, Now someone on here swears up and down that /var isn't going to be required on /. /var != /var/run /var != /var/lock /var/run is going in /run, but /var/run (by definition) only contains things like PID files and runtime sockets. In the same vein, /var/lock also is going into /run/lock. I have acknowledged this from the very beginning, and I have been pointing out that implying that because those two (really small and bounded) directories of /var are going into /run and /run/lock, it doesn't mean that the whole /var will go into /. That is disinformation. I finally found the link (got confused by gmane interface): http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.gentoo.user/246892 Quoting myself (from more than one month ago): Saying that proposing /run and /lock to be available at boot time means that in the future a separated /var partition could be not supported is, in my book, disinformation. /var/run and /var/lock (by definition) are almost empty (in space). /var/lib usually stores whole databases. The difference is important and relevant. and you still did not look into /var/lib to see, what is actually in there? My systems has directories alsa, bluetooth, hp and many more there that are not databases at all. Stop spreading this misinformation, please. Regards. Best, Michael
Re: [gentoo-user] Apologize to everyone for my nonprofessional
On Saturday, 15. October 2011 01:42:10 Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: /var/lib usually stores whole databases. The difference is important and relevant. My systems has directories alsa, bluetooth, hp and many more there that are not databases at all. So? Which one? That /var is not going into /? No. That /var/lib contains databases. Is this so difficult to get? On my system /var/lib/alsa contains data, that alsa uses to restore mixer- levels. So *my* /var/lib is used during boot and *my* /var/lib has to be mounted by the initramfs. That's the situation on nearly every gentoo system using sound (systemd might handle this different, I have no idea) Got it? Your system is not the center of the world. Regards. Best, Michael
Re: [gentoo-user] Apologize to everyone for my nonprofessional
Hi Canek, On Saturday, 15. October 2011 02:02:13 Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: On Sat, Oct 15, 2011 at 1:37 AM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: On Fri, Oct 14, 2011 at 11:56 PM, Dalerdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: Pandu Poluan wrote: On Oct 15, 2011 5:49 AM, Dalerdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: Neil Bothwick wrote: On Fri, 14 Oct 2011 11:15:24 -0500, Dale wrote: A'right now. I'm going to start on hal and /usr being on / again. :-P Jeez, 43 years on and you're still going on about it... Dang, I was only a year old when hal came out? That just doubled my age. It's closer to what I feel like tho. I'm still not happy with /usr being required tho. That is still standing on a bad nerve. Don't worry tho, I got plenty of those bad nerves. :-P Do you know that there's a plan to move /var/run to / also? ;-) Rgds, Now someone on here swears up and down that /var isn't going to be required on /. /var != /var/run /var != /var/lock /var/run is going in /run, but /var/run (by definition) only contains things like PID files and runtime sockets. In the same vein, /var/lock also is going into /run/lock. I have acknowledged this from the very beginning, and I have been pointing out that implying that because those two (really small and bounded) directories of /var are going into /run and /run/lock, it doesn't mean that the whole /var will go into /. That is disinformation. Nobody has even proposed that /var should go into the same partition as /. *Nobody*, and the simplest proof of that is that nobody has produced a single proof to the contrary. Not a single email, blog post, or wiki entry from any system developer even mentions the possibility of requiring /var to be in the same partition as /. Whoever says that /var will be required to be on the same partition as / is either wildly speculating, or spreading FUD. So /var/run and /var/lock isn't on /var? Even if they will be linking to another location, the link has to be there for whatever program to follow. If /var isn't mounted yet, there is nothing for the program to find. The link goes the other way around. /run and /lock are the real directories, /var/run is a link to /run, /var/lock is a link to /run/lock. When the initramfs (or the init system) mount /var, they make the link. When I saw the messages about LVM and /var, that caused LVM to fail to start. I wouldn't put / on LVM and wouldn't expect it to work without a init thingy either. Thing is, based on it failing, you can't have /var on a separate partition and expect LVM to start. So, if you use LVM for /usr and/or /var, you have to have a init thingy even if / is on a regular file system. Yes, as I said in my last mail, if you need LVM, you need an initramfs. Remove the LVM, and you can have /var (and /usr for that matter) withouth an initramfs. Where/when did I say something different? I'm telling ya'll, /home is coming. That is just ridiculous. I would have said the same thing about /usr a year ago. I'm not saying it is coming next week but . . . You can speculate all you want. Fact is, nobody has proposed that, and there is not even a single email suggesting that it will be necessary. On the contrary, the requirement for an initramfs or a /usr inside the same partition as / has been being discussed years ago; if you had followed the developers lists, you wil had hear about it months before it happened. Nothing similar has happened with /var, least of it /home. We are going to end up where we can only have one drive in our Linux boxes for the OS and its relatives. And so is this: more FUD. That or we will ALL have to start using the pesky init* thingy. More FUD: the current proposal (from Zac, the principal coder of portage, and someone who actually wrotes code and know what he is talking about) is this: http://archives.gentoo.org/gentoo-dev/msg_20749880f5bc5feda14148849872 9fe8.xml It basically removes the need for a pesky init* thingy, although for the life of me I cannot understand why someone will not see the technical advantages of actually using an initramfs. I'll have to read his link later. Please do. I got 7 acres of land here, complete with trees. If someone can find the dev that started this mess, I can find some rope. Just saying. ;-) Oh, I live half a mile from the river too. Makes for a good dump site. lol I noticed the other day that when LVM tries to start, it fails. I have /var on a separate partition here. It was complaining about something on /var missing. So, you may be late in reporting this. I think it is already needed for LVM if /usr or /var is on a separate partition. Again, get the facts right. If you use LVM you will need to use an initramfs. If you only use a separated /usr you
Re: [gentoo-user] Apologize to everyone for my nonprofessional
On Saturday, 15. October 2011 02:11:43 Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
On Sat, Oct 15, 2011 at 1:53 AM, Michael Schreckenbauer grim...@gmx.de
wrote:
On Saturday, 15. October 2011 01:42:10 Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
/var/lib usually stores whole
databases. The difference is important and relevant.
My systems has directories alsa, bluetooth, hp and many more
there that are not databases at all.
So?
Which one? That /var is not going into /?
No. That /var/lib contains databases. Is this so difficult to get?
I get it; it's just not relevant.
On my system /var/lib/alsa contains data, that alsa uses to restore
mixer- levels.
Yeah, it does.
So *my* /var/lib is used during boot and *my* /var/lib has to be
mounted by the initramfs.
No, it doesn't. What are you talking about? Look at /etc/init.d/alsasound:
depend() {
need localmount
after bootmisc modules isapnp coldplug hotplug
}
Look at the first need from alsasound depend: it says, that it goes
after localmount. If you have /var in NFS (a very weird setup for a
desktop machine) maybe it will cause problems: but then it would be
fault of OpenRC (or the alsasound init script). If /var is on a
different partition, localmount will mount it and *then* alsasound
will execute.
And it makes sense: the volume restoring doesn't matter until
immediately before running gdm and going into the desktop; of course
you can mount /var before that.
That's the situation on nearly every gentoo system
using sound
Yeah, and as I explained, thanks to need localmount there is no problem.
(systemd might handle this different, I have no idea)
Yeah, it does more intelligently: as I said, the volume restoring is
only needed just before starting X.
Got it? Your system is not the center of the world.
No, but I start to think you don't know *your* system. Check the
alsasound init script.
*lol*
Now, this is getting ridiculous. I don't know my system? Have a look into
/lib/udev/rules.d/90-alsa-restore.rules
to realize, that this is a hack, that restores alsa-levels *twice* on systems
that have /var/lib on /. The levels are supposed to be restored by *udev* not
the script.
The /var directory doesn't need to be on the same partition as /. Period.
Regards
.
Best,
Michael
Re: [gentoo-user] Apologize to everyone for my nonprofessional
On Saturday, 15. October 2011 02:21:18 Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: On Sat, Oct 15, 2011 at 2:15 AM, Michael Schreckenbauer grim...@gmx.de wrote: Hi Canek, On Saturday, 15. October 2011 02:02:13 Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: On Sat, Oct 15, 2011 at 1:37 AM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: On Fri, Oct 14, 2011 at 11:56 PM, Dalerdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: Pandu Poluan wrote: On Oct 15, 2011 5:49 AM, Dalerdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: Neil Bothwick wrote: On Fri, 14 Oct 2011 11:15:24 -0500, Dale wrote: A'right now. I'm going to start on hal and /usr being on / again. :-P Jeez, 43 years on and you're still going on about it... Dang, I was only a year old when hal came out? That just doubled my age. It's closer to what I feel like tho. I'm still not happy with /usr being required tho. That is still standing on a bad nerve. Don't worry tho, I got plenty of those bad nerves. :-P Do you know that there's a plan to move /var/run to / also? ;-) Rgds, Now someone on here swears up and down that /var isn't going to be required on /. /var != /var/run /var != /var/lock /var/run is going in /run, but /var/run (by definition) only contains things like PID files and runtime sockets. In the same vein, /var/lock also is going into /run/lock. I have acknowledged this from the very beginning, and I have been pointing out that implying that because those two (really small and bounded) directories of /var are going into /run and /run/lock, it doesn't mean that the whole /var will go into /. That is disinformation. Nobody has even proposed that /var should go into the same partition as /. *Nobody*, and the simplest proof of that is that nobody has produced a single proof to the contrary. Not a single email, blog post, or wiki entry from any system developer even mentions the possibility of requiring /var to be in the same partition as /. Whoever says that /var will be required to be on the same partition as / is either wildly speculating, or spreading FUD. So /var/run and /var/lock isn't on /var? Even if they will be linking to another location, the link has to be there for whatever program to follow. If /var isn't mounted yet, there is nothing for the program to find. The link goes the other way around. /run and /lock are the real directories, /var/run is a link to /run, /var/lock is a link to /run/lock. When the initramfs (or the init system) mount /var, they make the link. When I saw the messages about LVM and /var, that caused LVM to fail to start. I wouldn't put / on LVM and wouldn't expect it to work without a init thingy either. Thing is, based on it failing, you can't have /var on a separate partition and expect LVM to start. So, if you use LVM for /usr and/or /var, you have to have a init thingy even if / is on a regular file system. Yes, as I said in my last mail, if you need LVM, you need an initramfs. Remove the LVM, and you can have /var (and /usr for that matter) withouth an initramfs. Where/when did I say something different? I'm telling ya'll, /home is coming. That is just ridiculous. I would have said the same thing about /usr a year ago. I'm not saying it is coming next week but . . . You can speculate all you want. Fact is, nobody has proposed that, and there is not even a single email suggesting that it will be necessary. On the contrary, the requirement for an initramfs or a /usr inside the same partition as / has been being discussed years ago; if you had followed the developers lists, you wil had hear about it months before it happened. Nothing similar has happened with /var, least of it /home. We are going to end up where we can only have one drive in our Linux boxes for the OS and its relatives. And so is this: more FUD. That or we will ALL have to start using the pesky init* thingy. More FUD: the current proposal (from Zac, the principal coder of portage, and someone who actually wrotes code and know what he is talking about) is this: http://archives.gentoo.org/gentoo-dev/msg_20749880f5bc5feda14148 849872 9fe8.xml It basically removes the need for a pesky init* thingy, although for the life of me I cannot understand why someone will not see the technical advantages of actually using an initramfs. I'll have to read his link later. Please do. I got 7 acres of land here, complete with trees. If someone can find the dev that started this mess, I can find some rope. Just saying. ;-) Oh, I live half a mile from the river too. Makes for a good dump site. lol I noticed the other day that when LVM tries to start, it fails. I have
Re: [gentoo-user] Apologize to everyone for my nonprofessional
On Saturday, 15. October 2011 02:47:26 Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
On Sat, Oct 15, 2011 at 2:31 AM, Michael Schreckenbauer grim...@gmx.de
wrote:
On Saturday, 15. October 2011 02:11:43 Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
On Sat, Oct 15, 2011 at 1:53 AM, Michael Schreckenbauer
grim...@gmx.de
wrote:
On Saturday, 15. October 2011 01:42:10 Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
/var/lib usually stores whole
databases. The difference is important and relevant.
My systems has directories alsa, bluetooth, hp and many more
there that are not databases at all.
So?
Which one? That /var is not going into /?
No. That /var/lib contains databases. Is this so difficult to get?
I get it; it's just not relevant.
On my system /var/lib/alsa contains data, that alsa uses to
restore
mixer- levels.
Yeah, it does.
So *my* /var/lib is used during boot and *my* /var/lib has to be
mounted by the initramfs.
No, it doesn't. What are you talking about? Look at
/etc/init.d/alsasound:
depend() {
need localmount
after bootmisc modules isapnp coldplug hotplug
}
Look at the first need from alsasound depend: it says, that it goes
after localmount. If you have /var in NFS (a very weird setup for a
desktop machine) maybe it will cause problems: but then it would be
fault of OpenRC (or the alsasound init script). If /var is on a
different partition, localmount will mount it and *then* alsasound
will execute.
And it makes sense: the volume restoring doesn't matter until
immediately before running gdm and going into the desktop; of course
you can mount /var before that.
That's the situation on nearly every gentoo system
using sound
Yeah, and as I explained, thanks to need localmount there is no
problem.
(systemd might handle this different, I have no idea)
Yeah, it does more intelligently: as I said, the volume restoring is
only needed just before starting X.
Got it? Your system is not the center of the world.
No, but I start to think you don't know *your* system. Check the
alsasound init script.
*lol*
Now, this is getting ridiculous.
Indeed, it is getting ridiculous.
I don't know my system?
No, you don't.
Have a look into
/lib/udev/rules.d/90-alsa-restore.rules
to realize, that this is a hack, that restores alsa-levels *twice* on
systems that have /var/lib on /. The levels are supposed to be restored
by *udev* not the script.
Yeah, but it doesn't run when udev *starts*. It runs when a card is
*added* to the system; that is the reason for the ACTION=add part.
It's inteded to be used for USB cards (like external speakers with a
little sound card incorporated), so its volume is restored *at insert
time*.
Nonsense. Action add is used for every device in your system, built-in or
plugged in later. So this rule is not only used for hotplug-USB-soundcards,
but for every soundcard in your system.
See /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules for example:
SUBSYSTEM==net, ACTION==add, DRIVERS==?*, ATTR{address}==...,
ATTR{type}==1, KERNEL==eth*, NAME=eth0
Regards.
Best,
Michael
Re: [gentoo-user] Apologize to everyone for my nonprofessional
On Saturday, 15. October 2011 03:34:27 Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
On Sat, Oct 15, 2011 at 3:05 AM, Michael Schreckenbauer grim...@gmx.de
wrote:
On Saturday, 15. October 2011 02:47:26 Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
On Sat, Oct 15, 2011 at 2:31 AM, Michael Schreckenbauer
grim...@gmx.de
wrote:
On Saturday, 15. October 2011 02:11:43 Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
On Sat, Oct 15, 2011 at 1:53 AM, Michael Schreckenbauer
grim...@gmx.de
wrote:
On Saturday, 15. October 2011 01:42:10 Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
/var/lib usually stores whole
databases. The difference is important and relevant.
My systems has directories alsa, bluetooth, hp and many
more
there that are not databases at all.
So?
Which one? That /var is not going into /?
No. That /var/lib contains databases. Is this so difficult
to get?
I get it; it's just not relevant.
On my system /var/lib/alsa contains data, that alsa uses to
restore
mixer- levels.
Yeah, it does.
So *my* /var/lib is used during boot and *my* /var/lib has
to be
mounted by the initramfs.
No, it doesn't. What are you talking about? Look at
/etc/init.d/alsasound:
depend() {
need localmount
after bootmisc modules isapnp coldplug hotplug
}
Look at the first need from alsasound depend: it says, that it
goes
after localmount. If you have /var in NFS (a very weird setup
for a
desktop machine) maybe it will cause problems: but then it would
be
fault of OpenRC (or the alsasound init script). If /var is on a
different partition, localmount will mount it and *then*
alsasound
will execute.
And it makes sense: the volume restoring doesn't matter until
immediately before running gdm and going into the desktop; of
course
you can mount /var before that.
That's the situation on nearly every gentoo system
using sound
Yeah, and as I explained, thanks to need localmount there is no
problem.
(systemd might handle this different, I have no idea)
Yeah, it does more intelligently: as I said, the volume
restoring is
only needed just before starting X.
Got it? Your system is not the center of the world.
No, but I start to think you don't know *your* system. Check the
alsasound init script.
*lol*
Now, this is getting ridiculous.
Indeed, it is getting ridiculous.
I don't know my system?
No, you don't.
Have a look into
/lib/udev/rules.d/90-alsa-restore.rules
to realize, that this is a hack, that restores alsa-levels *twice*
on
systems that have /var/lib on /. The levels are supposed to be
restored by *udev* not the script.
Yeah, but it doesn't run when udev *starts*. It runs when a card is
*added* to the system; that is the reason for the ACTION=add part.
It's inteded to be used for USB cards (like external speakers with a
little sound card incorporated), so its volume is restored *at insert
time*.
Nonsense. Action add is used for every device in your system, built-in
or plugged in later. So this rule is not only used for
hotplug-USB-soundcards, but for every soundcard in your system.
Yeah, you are right. Sorry. I forgot about the little numbers udev uses:
10-dm.rules
11-dm-lvm.rules
13-dm-disk.rules
60-persistent-storage.rules
70-persistent-net.rules
90-alsa-restore.rules
So, the same way that in the alsasound init script need localmount
guarantee that /var is mounted, the 60-persistent-storage.rules
guarantees that /var is mounted before the 90-alsa-restore.rules
restores ALSA's volume.
My 60-persisten-storage.rules creates device nodes. It does not mount
anything. Is your's different?
Again, there is no problem. Yeah, the rule is executed at udev
execution time... but after the persisten-storage rule. So, you see,
no problem. No need for /var in the same partition as /.
So my devices nodes for harddisks exist, when alsa restores it's levels. Does
not solve anything.
You guys keep speculating.
We are speculating?
*You* were wrong about the assumtion that /var/lib contains databases.
*You* were wrong about the assumtion how action add works.
And *you* are wrong about the assumption, what 60-persistent-storage.rules
does.
Yet you claim, that *I* don't know my system.
I'd say, do your homework, then we can talk.
Regards.
Best,
Michael
Re: [gentoo-user] Apologize to everyone for my nonprofessional
Hi Claudio, hi Lavender, On Saturday, 15. October 2011 13:46:31 Claudio Roberto França Pereira wrote: Wow. Just wow. :) GREAT way to confuse and welcome the poor-English Chinese guy. Welcome Lavender. You are now officially recognized as a human being, not a bot. We'll be glad to help you with Gentoo. you are right. We hijacked this thread for our own discussion. I apologize for this. I'll stop posting on this topic in this thread right now. Please ignore all the FUD and discussion about /var needing (or not) to be in the root partition, and the need for an initramfs. It's just bullshit for us end users currently. Best, Michael
Re: [gentoo-user] Apologize to everyone for my nonprofessional
Hi Canek, On Saturday, 15. October 2011 04:04:05 Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: I got that points wrong, I admit. I repeat, 3am here ;) I apogolize for saying that to you Michael; I shouldn't have, even if I would have been right (and I wasn't). Again, no excuse, but it's (actually) 4am here now. ok. For me it was lunch time, so I had an advantage here :) Regards. Best, Michael
Re: [gentoo-user] Dennis Ritchie
Hi Michael, On Saturday, 15. October 2011 08:10:13 Michael Mol wrote: On Sat, Oct 15, 2011 at 7:33 AM, luis jure l...@internet.com.uy wrote: hello boys [1], i know i don't participate much on this list, but this does not mean that i don't try to follow most of the threads (not all of them, i admit). i realized just now that no one has commented on the news of the recent death of dennis ritchie. considering that his contributions to the development of computational technologies were not only paramount, but affect all of us in a very direct way, i think we could somehow compensate for the lack of echo of these news in the media, by dedicating some time to celebrate his memory and express our gratitude. [1] sorry if there are any girls out there, but i think i have never seen any female names on this list... Well, if it helps, the reason I have a huge beard and long hair is welcome to the club, although my beard isn't huge most of the time :D My wife doesn't like it that much. I'm compensating this with the hair on my head (close to 1m now *g*) because I idolized Thompson and Ritchie as far back as my early teen years. My very conservative grandparents were less than amused that I was actively seeking a 60s Berkeley look. Sounds familiar too. Best, Michael
Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo Install Issue
On Saturday, 15. October 2011 16:07:42 CJoeB wrote: Hi guys, I'm still struggling with this. Gave up last weekend and haven't had time until now. Thought I had it going when I got a command prompt and then, networking wasn't working. Anyway, more details . On 10/10/11 16:43, David Abbott wrote: On Mon, Oct 10, 2011 at 4:31 PM, CJoeB colleen.bea...@gmail.com wrote: On 10/10/11 16:17, Michael Mol wrote: On Mon, Oct 10, 2011 at 4:06 PM, CJoeB colleen.bea...@gmail.com wrote: Today, I went through the install process, had a couple of issues, but was able to figure them out and got to the point where I was supposed to boot into my new system. I got the boot menu, the boot process seemed to be okay, but when I got to the point where I assumed I should get a command prompt to finish up, all I got was a weird screen that was half black and half fuzzy with a bunch of colours (sorry, I can describe this any better). I tried recompiling the kernel thinking it was a problem that I had created during the initial compilation, but that ended with the same result. I would enable kms; http://en.gentoo-wiki.com/wiki/Radeon#Kernel_Modesetting_.28KMS.29 http://forums-web2.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-831521-start-0.html I booted to the Gentoo install CD, went through all the steps to make sure I hadn't missed anything. I followed the directions on the above link for my Radeon card. When I existed the 'chroot'd' environment and rebooted, the system seemed to hang - the last few lines that appear on the screen are: [drm] Loading CAICOS Microcode Refined TSC clocksource calibration: 3392.289 MHz Switching to clocksource tsc I took someone else's advice who responded to my original post and got the output from dmesg after the install CD booted. Below is the entire listing related to the video section: vesafb: mode is 1024x768x16, linelength=2048, pages=9 vesafb:scrolling:redraw vesafb:Truecolor:size=0;5:6:5, shift=0:11:5:0 vesafb:framebuffer at 0xd000, mapped to 0xc9001010, using 3072k, total 16384k console: switching to colour framebuffer device 128x48 fb0: VESA VGA framebuffer device you are using vesafb. I really understand very little of what this is telling me except for the screen resolution and I get that there are hex code references in my grub.conf file the video line is as follows: vga=-0X31B video=vesafb:mtrr,ywrap I read somewhere that for radeon card you use the above statement as opposed to: video=uvesafb:mtrr:ywrap,1920x1080@60 Documentation for my monitor states that the max resolution is 1920x1080@60 Hz To get this resolution that early you need kms. Check your kernel-config: CONFIG_DRM_RADEON=m CONFIG_DRM_RADEON_KMS=y CONFIG_FRAMEBUFFER_CONSOLE=y # CONFIG_FB_RADEON is not set Then you need radeon.modeset=1 instead of the vga=... stuff in your grub.conf. Also, see: http://www.x.org/wiki/radeonBuildHowTo#Kernel-basedModeSetting Can anyone help me out here? Thanks in advance, Colleen Hth, Michael
Re: [gentoo-user] can't build gnome 3.2 (3.0 was ok)
Hi Alan,
On Wednesday, 12. October 2011 21:36:58 Allan Gottlieb wrote:
On Wed, Oct 12 2011, Allan Gottlieb wrote:
On Wed, Oct 12 2011, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
If it is related to the video card/driver that you use, try reemerging
cogl and clutter; it doesn't matter that a world upgrade don't want to
reemerge it, sometimes the ebuilds change without changing versions.
My versions and useflags of cogl and clutter are:
# emerge -1pv clutter cogl
These are the packages that would be merged, in order:
Calculating dependencies... done!
[ebuild R ~] media-libs/cogl-1.8.0 USE=doc examples
introspection pango -debug -test 0 kB [1]
[ebuild R ~] media-libs/clutter-1.8.0 USE=doc introspection
-debug 0 kB [1]
I had remerged clutter earlier today and just did cogl. Mu use flags
are basically the same as yours
Calculating dependencies... done!
[ebuild R] media-libs/clutter-1.8.0 USE=introspection -debug
-doc 0 kB [1] [ebuild R] media-libs/cogl-1.8.0
USE=introspection pango -debug -doc -examples -test 0 kB [1]
I am using the same driver as you but a different version (mine is one
newer) and I don't have the sna use flag. I might not have access to
the machine an longer today, but will try.
thanks,
allan
I forgot to say that with the remerged clutter and cogl, gdm still
crashes.
I just rebuilt the driver downgraded to 2.15.0-r1. I specified sna in
package.use but still it was merged without it.
This configuration still has gdm crashing
[U] x11-drivers/xf86-video-intel
Available versions: 2.8.1 2.9.1 (~)2.10.0-r1 (~)2.11.0 2.13.0 2.14.0
2.15.0-r1 (~)2.16.0 {debug dri sna} Installed versions: 2.15.0-r1(09:27:44
PM 10/12/2011)(dri)
Homepage:http://xorg.freedesktop.org/
to rule out the video-stack, I'd try gnome in fallback-mode. If it works,
chances are your problem is video-related. If it still crashes, the problem is
elsewhere.
Is there something in dmesg related to the gnome-shell segfaults?
allan
Best,
Michael
Re: [gentoo-user] can't build gnome 3.2 (3.0 was ok)
On Thursday, 13. October 2011 09:47:03 Allan Gottlieb wrote:
On Thu, Oct 13 2011, Michael Mol wrote:
I've skipped most of the thread, so forgive me if this was already
done...try rebuilding libmozjs? Bumping its version up or down?
oldlap ~ # equery b /usr/lib/libmozjs185.so
* Searching for /usr/lib/libmozjs185.so ...
dev-lang/spidermonkey-1.8.5 (/usr/lib/libmozjs185.so - libmozjs185.so.1.0)
dev-lang/spidermonkey-1.8.5 (/usr/lib/libmozjs185.so.1.0.0)
[I] dev-lang/spidermonkey
Available versions: 1.7.0 (~)1.7.0-r1 (~)1.7.0-r2 1.8.2.15 {M}(~)1.8.5
{static-libs test threadsafe unicode} Installed versions: 1.8.5(02:22:11
PM 10/12/2011)(-static-libs -test)
So the installed version is the only one from gnome3. I tried
Calculating dependencies... done!
[ebuild UD ] dev-lang/spidermonkey-1.8.2.15 [1.8.5] USE=-threadsafe%
(-static-libs%) (-test%) 50,345 kB
and received a slot conflict with dev-libs/gjs.
I worry trying to downgrade may lead to a string of dependencies. I can
try it tonight if desired.
hmm, for sure your problem is not video-related then.
gjs is the javascript-bindings for gnome...
You could try keeping spidermonkey at 1.8.5 and (re-)build the latest version
of gjs.
google-ing your problem clearly shows: you are not alone. Sadly I was not able
to find a solution for your problem yet as most others use ancient versions and
updates solved it for them.
thanks,
allan
Best,
Michael
Re: [gentoo-user] can't build gnome 3.2 (3.0 was ok)
On Wednesday, 12. October 2011 16:58:37 Allan Gottlieb wrote: On Wed, Oct 12 2011, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: When you do layman --sync-all, sometimes the ebuilds are updated, but with the same version. Try to recompile every ebuild in the overlay that you have installed in your system. At least, try to recompile gdm, gnome-shell, and all of its direct dependencies, the packages in COMMON_DEPEND, RDEPEND and DEPEND) in the gnome-shell-3.2.0-r1 ebuild. Minus the use enabled where you don't set the use flag, of course. Recompiles done. No change 1. If gdm maintains its gnome-shell use flag, it crashes 2. If gdm has -gnome-shell in package.use, it runs but gnome-shell (or something else invoked on login with an empty user) crashes Also: modify /etc/gdm/custom.conf and in the [debug] key set Enable=true. And modify /usr/share/xsessions/gnome.desktop and replace Exec=gnome-session with Exec=gnome-session --debug. Then a lot more info will be available in ~/.xsession-errors, and we will know more. Done. Output below (naturally this is with the gnome-shell use flag disabled. gnome-shell segfaults. I remember some problems with gnome-shell and GL from the dri-devel-ML. What video-card are you using? Drivers/version? Is there any other WM you can start, execute gnome-shell --replace in a console and dump the output here? Could you try running gnome in fallback-mode? Afaik you can enable this with gsettings set org.gnome.desktop.session session-name gnome-fallback thanks again, allan Best, Michael
Re: [gentoo-user] can't build gnome 3.2 (3.0 was ok)
On Wednesday, 12. October 2011 18:02:16 Allan Gottlieb wrote: On Wed, Oct 12 2011, Michael Schreckenbauer wrote: gnome-shell segfaults. I remember some problems with gnome-shell and GL from the dri-devel-ML. What video-card are you using? Drivers/version? Is there any other WM you can start, execute gnome-shell --replace in a console and dump the output here? Could you try running gnome in fallback-mode? Afaik you can enable this with gsettings set org.gnome.desktop.session session-name gnome-fallback Actually the gnome-shell segfault is the 2nd problem. gdm crashes with Oh no, a problem has occurred unless its gnome-shell use flag is disabled, which could possibly be the cause of gnome-shell failing. Couldn't it be the other way round? gdm crashes with gnome-shell use-flag set, because gnome-shell segfaults? It runs without the flag, because in this case there's no dep to the shell. Canek has suggested we attack the gdm problem (see other msgs in this thread) and that is the current plan. Unfortunately we are still not there. Imo both problems are related (see above). In bug 385525, those who needed -gnome-shell for gdm could then not get gnome-shell to run (i.e., just like me). It does seem that many are successfully running gdm so I must have something wrong in my setup. What use flags did you build gdm with. Here is mine Installed versions: 3.2.0-r1[1](05:47:00 PM 10/12/2011)(accessibility consolekit elibc_glibc gnome-shell introspection ipv6 tcpd xklavier -debug -fprint -gnome-keyring -selinux -smartcard -test -xinerama) Well, I do not use gnome :) But I am quite good in reading logs, coredumps and things like that :) thanks for the help, allan Best, Michael
Re: [gentoo-user] can't build gnome 3.2 (3.0 was ok)
On Wednesday, 12. October 2011 15:08:18 Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: Anyhow, the logs from gdm failing should tell us something. I don't think is the video, like Michael suggested; supposedly gnome-shell would detect that. Well Canek, you are wrong about that. http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-p-6833430.html Boot with fallback works for him, also using nouveau instead nvidia-blobs. Regards. Best, Michael
Re: [gentoo-user] Anyone else using vimpager?
On Sunday, 9. October 2011 05:01:25 Pandu Poluan wrote: On Oct 9, 2011 5:05 AM, Stroller strol...@stellar.eclipse.co.uk wrote: On 8 October 2011, at 10:19, Pandu Poluan wrote: I'm just wondering if there's anyone else -- beside me -- that uses vimpager for PAGER? Tried it, couldn't get along with it at all. I can't now recall why. Why do you ask? Well, there's no ebuild for vimpager in portage, and if there are other users, I might be interested in writing one. vim has a use flag vim-pager that installs vimpager. At least that's what euse -i tells me :) Rgds, Best Michael
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: portage wants to remove less and nano
On Friday, 7. October 2011 00:15:23 Nikos Chantziaras wrote: On 10/07/2011 12:02 AM, Alex Schuster wrote: Niccolò Belli writes: Here is after an emerge -av --depclean: !!! 'app-editors/nano' (virtual/editor) is part of your system profile. !!! Unmerging it may be damaging to your system. This is somewhat surprising, but intended and correct, it has been discussed here some months ago. Just add those to your world file (using emerge -n). Weird. dispatch-conf certainly needs 'less'. No. It needs a pager. Why isn't it a dep? Because dispatch-conf can use any pager. Best, Michael
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Is grub2 stable and who uses it?
On Tuesday, 4. October 2011 14:14:24 Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 2:02 PM, Grant Edwards grant.b.edwa...@gmail.com wrote: On 2011-10-04, Canek Pel??ez Vald??s can...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 1:50 PM, Grant Edwards grant.b.edwa...@gmail.com wrote: On 2011-10-04, Canek Pel??ez Vald??s can...@gmail.com wrote: That it's not true. It connects to whatever init system do you have (OpenRC, SysV, systemd, Upstart), I'm curious: what if you don't have one? ??I use grub-legacy to boot stuff other than Unix. When I said it connects, I mean calls. The same way it calls whatever thingy Window uses. Right. ??And what about non-windows, non-Unix systems that don't have any thingy to call? Then you don't have an operating system. Yes, I do. Then any boot loader will need to call something to start it. Understand this: any Linux/Unix init system (systemd, SysV, Upstart, OpenRC) is simply a program... that the Linux kernel itself executes. That's the init= command line in the kernel. Correct, the *kernel* executes it. Quoted from an earlier mail in this thread: That it's not true. It connects to whatever init system do you have (OpenRC, SysV, systemd, Upstart) The kernel executes the initsystem, the initsystem takes care of the rest. Care to explain, why grub2 needs to connect to (or call) the initsystem? Regards. Best, Michael
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Is grub2 stable and who uses it?
On Tuesday, 4. October 2011 14:46:07 Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 2:33 PM, Michael Schreckenbauer grim...@gmx.de wrote: On Tuesday, 4. October 2011 14:14:24 Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 2:02 PM, Grant Edwards grant.b.edwa...@gmail.com wrote: On 2011-10-04, Canek Pel??ez Vald??s can...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 1:50 PM, Grant Edwards grant.b.edwa...@gmail.com wrote: On 2011-10-04, Canek Pel??ez Vald??s can...@gmail.com wrote: That it's not true. It connects to whatever init system do you have (OpenRC, SysV, systemd, Upstart), I'm curious: what if you don't have one? ??I use grub-legacy to boot stuff other than Unix. When I said it connects, I mean calls. The same way it calls whatever thingy Window uses. Right. ??And what about non-windows, non-Unix systems that don't have any thingy to call? Then you don't have an operating system. Yes, I do. Then any boot loader will need to call something to start it. Understand this: any Linux/Unix init system (systemd, SysV, Upstart, OpenRC) is simply a program... that the Linux kernel itself executes. That's the init= command line in the kernel. Correct, the *kernel* executes it. Quoted from an earlier mail in this thread: That it's not true. It connects to whatever init system do you have (OpenRC, SysV, systemd, Upstart) The kernel executes the initsystem, the initsystem takes care of the rest. Care to explain, why grub2 needs to connect to (or call) the initsystem? It connects via the kernel via init=, as always. Maybe not the best choice of words, but the important thing is that the statement about GRUB2 having its own init system and it's own set of init scripts is false. I noted the connection between the bootloader and the init system (via the init= command line) to emphasize that GRUB2 has not its own init system. Nor init scripts. Ah, so no connection or call at all :) Thanks for clarifying Regards. Best, Michael
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Updating libpng: another libtool cockup?
On Monday, 19. September 2011 10:20:25 Allan Gottlieb wrote: On Mon, Sep 19 2011, Alan McKinnon wrote: revdep-rebuild checks everything, revdep-rebuild --library checks just some things. ebuilds sometimes issue messages to check just the libraries known to have been updated, but a full revdep-rebuild after an update will catch those anyway. Until recently I skipped the --library step exactly because I knew revdep-rebuild will find and fix the broken packages after I delete the old library. So, why bother with the --library step, right? However. A few weeks ago I got caught when I deleted one of those obsolete libraries and only then did I find out that gcc is one of the packages that depend on it :( I don't skip the --library step any more. That's odd behaviour, I wonder what caused the difference. Surely revdep-rebuild itself can't do this different just because you specified a library to compare? I wonder if that lib was maybe in the revdep-rebuild exclude list. I'd be interested to track it down for reference, do you remember the library involved? It occurs exactly in the case we are discussing libpng ajglap gottlieb # revdep-rebuild; revdep-rebuild --library '/usr/lib64/libpng14.so.14' * Configuring search environment for revdep-rebuild * Checking reverse dependencies * Packages containing binaries and libraries broken by a package update * will be emerged. ... * Checking reverse dependencies * Packages containing binaries and libraries using /usr/lib64/libpng14.so.14 * will be emerged. First one emerges *broken* packages. Second one emerge packages *using* png14 (not necessarily broken) Best, Michael
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: udev + /usr
On Monday, 19. September 2011 16:22:31 Alan McKinnon wrote: On Mon, 19 Sep 2011 10:30:41 +0200 Nicolas Sebrecht nsebre...@piing.fr wrote: The 17/09/11, pk wrote: dbus is installed in my system, but only because I run Xfce4 (I am thinking of installing something else due to it's becoming bloated just like gnome). And I have -dbus in my global make.conf. PS. I am quite astonished at the fact that I have a computer that is _way_ faster than the first machine I installed GNU/Linux (an Amiga 4000 with a 68040 cpu at 40Mhz) on but the experience is still the same; it takes about the same time to boot, the same time (or even slower) to load a program. It seems the faster the computer the more I have to wait for it to finish some task. Contradictory, no? Wonder why that is... (bloat?). Believe it or not but I bet you're not doing the same tasks with your modern machine and could just not run the user-end software you use today on a Amiga 4000 with a 68040 cpu at 40Mhz because they learn new feature since then. : :-) Example: Try run a browser on that Amiga. I doubt it would even manage to display the Gentoo logo at http://www.gentoo.org. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Origyn_Web_Browser And forget all about playing music. Best, Michael
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Updating libpng: another lib tool cockup?
On Monday, 19. September 2011 10:58:52 Allan Gottlieb wrote: On Mon, Sep 19 2011, Michael Schreckenbauer wrote: On Monday, 19. September 2011 10:20:25 Allan Gottlieb wrote: On Mon, Sep 19 2011, Alan McKinnon wrote: revdep-rebuild checks everything, revdep-rebuild --library checks just some things. ebuilds sometimes issue messages to check just the libraries known to have been updated, but a full revdep-rebuild after an update will catch those anyway. Until recently I skipped the --library step exactly because I knew revdep-rebuild will find and fix the broken packages after I delete the old library. So, why bother with the --library step, right? However. A few weeks ago I got caught when I deleted one of those obsolete libraries and only then did I find out that gcc is one of the packages that depend on it :( I don't skip the --library step any more. That's odd behaviour, I wonder what caused the difference. Surely revdep-rebuild itself can't do this different just because you specified a library to compare? I wonder if that lib was maybe in the revdep-rebuild exclude list. I'd be interested to track it down for reference, do you remember the library involved? It occurs exactly in the case we are discussing libpng ajglap gottlieb # revdep-rebuild; revdep-rebuild --library '/usr/lib64/libpng14.so.14' * Configuring search environment for revdep-rebuild * Checking reverse dependencies * Packages containing binaries and libraries broken by a package update * will be emerged. ... * Checking reverse dependencies * Packages containing binaries and libraries using /usr/lib64/libpng14.so.14 * will be emerged. First one emerges *broken* packages. Second one emerge packages *using* png14 (not necessarily broken) OK. But the claim was that: if revdep-rebuild with no argument found nothing to build, then revdep-rebuild --library some-library will find nothing. This is not true. revdep-rebuild without --library argument checks for packages with *broken* linking, eg a library changed it's name and the original one was removed by an update. revdep-rebuild --library checks for packages using that library. If the first one returns nothing, that means, your linking is all ok. If the second one returns nothing, it tells you, that nothing is using that library at all. This guarantee is apparently no long true as my example in another msg illustrated. I doubt it was true in the past. Best, Michael
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Updating libpng: another lib tool cockup?
On Monday, 19. September 2011 17:28:26 Alan McKinnon wrote: On Mon, 19 Sep 2011 10:58:52 -0400 Allan Gottlieb gottl...@nyu.edu wrote: First one emerges *broken* packages. Second one emerge packages *using* png14 (not necessarily broken) OK. But the claim was that: if revdep-rebuild with no argument found nothing to build, then revdep-rebuild --library some-library will find nothing. This guarantee is apparently no long true as my example in another msg illustrated. Michael is indeed correct. A careful reading of the man page reveals the usage of the words broken and using exactly like he said. So I stand humbly corrected. I find revdep-rebuild's behavior in this respect confusing. Even though it is clearly documented it is unexpected. It would never have occurred to me to draw that distinction. I think, it is very useful. An example: $ ldd /bin/bash linux-vdso.so.1 = (0x7fffbafff000) libncurses.so.5 = /lib64/libncurses.so.5 (0x7f0a4c278000) libdl.so.2 = /lib64/libdl.so.2 (0x7f0a4c074000) libc.so.6 = /lib64/libc.so.6 (0x7f0a4bce4000) /lib64/ld-linux-x86-64.so.2 (0x7f0a4c4ce000) Assume ncurses get's an update (new version is libncurses.so.6) Now if portage decided to *remove* libncurses.so.5 during that update, my bash would be broken. Very bad, so the ebuild-writer decides to leave libncurses.so.5 on my system. Because linking of bash is consistent (it still links to .so.5) a run of revdep-rebuild without args would return without result. With revdep-rebuild --library libncurses.so.5 I am now able to find and rebuild all packages, that use the ancient version of ncurses and after that, I can *safely* remove it. Best, Michael
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: udev + /usr
On Monday, 19. September 2011 18:36:18 Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: Am Montag 19 September 2011, 16:41:08 schrieb Michael Schreckenbauer: On Monday, 19. September 2011 16:22:31 Alan McKinnon wrote: On Mon, 19 Sep 2011 10:30:41 +0200 Nicolas Sebrecht nsebre...@piing.fr wrote: The 17/09/11, pk wrote: dbus is installed in my system, but only because I run Xfce4 (I am thinking of installing something else due to it's becoming bloated just like gnome). And I have -dbus in my global make.conf. PS. I am quite astonished at the fact that I have a computer that is _way_ faster than the first machine I installed GNU/Linux (an Amiga 4000 with a 68040 cpu at 40Mhz) on but the experience is still the same; it takes about the same time to boot, the same time (or even slower) to load a program. It seems the faster the computer the more I have to wait for it to finish some task. Contradictory, no? Wonder why that is... (bloat?). Believe it or not but I bet you're not doing the same tasks with your modern machine and could just not run the user-end software you use today on a Amiga 4000 with a 68040 cpu at 40Mhz because they learn new feature since then. : :-) Example: Try run a browser on that Amiga. I doubt it would even manage to display the Gentoo logo at http://www.gentoo.org. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Origyn_Web_Browser and I am sure that it will display pngs and jpegs with full colours just fine. I am sure displaying 2 or 4 MP pictures will be working great. Just like the mpeg4 you are trying to watch. Or the ogv. I don't think so :) But it is a web-browser, that runs on classic amiga os and I really think, that it can display http://www.gentoo.org just fine. Best, Michael
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: udev + /usr
On Monday, 19. September 2011 19:43:50 Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: Am Montag 19 September 2011, 19:25:28 schrieb Michael Schreckenbauer: On Monday, 19. September 2011 18:36:18 Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: Am Montag 19 September 2011, 16:41:08 schrieb Michael Schreckenbauer: On Monday, 19. September 2011 16:22:31 Alan McKinnon wrote: On Mon, 19 Sep 2011 10:30:41 +0200 Nicolas Sebrecht nsebre...@piing.fr wrote: The 17/09/11, pk wrote: dbus is installed in my system, but only because I run Xfce4 (I am thinking of installing something else due to it's becoming bloated just like gnome). And I have -dbus in my global make.conf. PS. I am quite astonished at the fact that I have a computer that is _way_ faster than the first machine I installed GNU/Linux (an Amiga 4000 with a 68040 cpu at 40Mhz) on but the experience is still the same; it takes about the same time to boot, the same time (or even slower) to load a program. It seems the faster the computer the more I have to wait for it to finish some task. Contradictory, no? Wonder why that is... (bloat?). Believe it or not but I bet you're not doing the same tasks with your modern machine and could just not run the user-end software you use today on a Amiga 4000 with a 68040 cpu at 40Mhz because they learn new feature since then. : :-) Example: Try run a browser on that Amiga. I doubt it would even manage to display the Gentoo logo at http://www.gentoo.org. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Origyn_Web_Browser and I am sure that it will display pngs and jpegs with full colours just fine. I am sure displaying 2 or 4 MP pictures will be working great. Just like the mpeg4 you are trying to watch. Or the ogv. I don't think so :) But it is a web-browser, that runs on classic amiga os and I really think, that it can display http://www.gentoo.org just fine. so can lynx. Does it make it usefull with todays internet? There are more pages than just gentoo.org - The Sun for example or CNN or other high quality sites. Yes, I agree. You seem to miss the point of my post completely. Best, Michael
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Updating libpng: another libtool cockup?
On Monday, 19. September 2011 13:52:26 Mark Knecht wrote: On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 1:41 PM, Michael Mol mike...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 4:33 PM, Mark Knecht markkne...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 7:36 AM, Michael Mol mike...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 10:20 AM, Allan Gottlieb gottl...@nyu.edu wrote: SNIP ajglap gottlieb # revdep-rebuild; revdep-rebuild --library '/usr/lib64/libpng14.so.14' SNIP Is there no automated way to catch these? --library expects an argument; how do I know which libraries to feed it? My question exactly. It's not likeyou can look at just names of libraries as I think to do this right you've got to look at every revision of every library on the system, don't you? It's possible that this problem could exist for a long while if a program doesn't get used much... Based on subsequent discussion since I wrote that question, I think the answer is, currently, no. Ebuillds would need more metadata, and portage would need to be more aware of deep dependencies. I'm not sure of revdep-rebuild's angle, or how it might be able to be improved to detect errors that don't come from broken linkage. -- :wq OK, I saw that comment but didn't grasp that it's the answer. Could be. Alternatively, in Michael's example earlier, I don't think the ldd results for bash are changed (are they?) when ncurses is updated: [QUOTE] $ ldd /bin/bash linux-vdso.so.1 = (0x7fffbafff000) libncurses.so.5 = /lib64/libncurses.so.5 (0x7f0a4c278000) libdl.so.2 = /lib64/libdl.so.2 (0x7f0a4c074000) libc.so.6 = /lib64/libc.so.6 (0x7f0a4bce4000) /lib64/ld-linux-x86-64.so.2 (0x7f0a4c4ce000) [/QUOTE] They would change to $ ldd /bin/bash linux-vdso.so.1 = (0x7fffbafff000) libncurses.so.5 = not found libdl.so.2 = /lib64/libdl.so.2 (0x7f0a4c074000) libc.so.6 = /lib64/libc.so.6 (0x7f0a4bce4000) /lib64/ld-linux-x86-64.so.2 (0x7f0a4c4ce000) if the ebuild maintainer forgets to keep the *.so.5 version on the system in the *.so.6 update. That results in a broken bash. It seems to me this is tending toward something similar to slots, isn't it? If one package (bash) needs a specific version then can't we find it using ldd (on every package on the system unfortunately) and ensure that the needed .so files aren't removed? That's what ebuild maintainers do, afaik. ~ $ equery b /usr/lib64/libpng14.so.14 * Searching for /usr/lib64/libpng14.so.14 ... media-libs/libpng-1.5.4 (/usr/lib64/libpng14.so.14) See? libpng14 is part of png-1.5.x package, so libpng14 is not removed, when you install the 1.5.x version. That keeps programs going. /lib64/libncurses.so.5 /lib64/libncurses.so.6 could both exist on the system even if both version of the ncurses package don't. That's right. But keep in mind, that the old lib is outdated. Bugs remain bugs, nothing is fixed. Getting fixes, is why we update after all, isn't it? I suspect this is mostly what revdep-rebuild is already doing, and I also suspect my view of the problem is far too remedial... Thanks, Mark Best, Michael
Re: IDE for C/C++ (Was: Really OT now (Re: [gentoo-user] udev + /usr)
On Thursday, 15. September 2011 20:22:17 Michael Mol wrote:
On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 3:59 PM, Chris Brennan xa...@xaerolimit.net wrote:
On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 3:47 PM, Leonardo Guilherme
leonardo.guilhe...@gmail.com wrote:
I do not know the state of Geanny since I last checked (couple of
years
ago), but the highlight capabilites of KDevelop got my eye. It
highlights local variables in different colors in the same context,
so something like int foo(float bar, float baz) {
}
will have bar and baz in different colors. Also, support for CMake in
KDevelop got really great and useful. Plus, it supports debugging
inside the editor. Its awesome.
If you want something in a gui, what about Code::Blocks? It's also
multi-platform
dev-util/codeblocks is masked. How well (or poorly) does it work on
Gentoo AMD64?
I did an emerge -p kdevelop...that'd pull back in the large bulk of
KDE. I'm going to have to pass for now.
I' using kdevelop a lot. It's a nice IDE. At least, if you already use KDE as
I am :)
qt-creator has some use flag
changes, but only requires bits of KDE I already have, so I'll be
trying it.
I don't show an ebuild for eclipse (I see dev-java/ant-eclipse-ecj,
dev-java/eclipse-ecj and dev-util/eclipse-sdk). Last time I poked
eclipse, it was a royal pain using any *DT unless one downloaded it as
a packaged deal.
Same as my experience. But it's nice, if you do java.
Version dependencies were a pain. (That said, I
settled into it fairly quickly. But that was a long time ago)
I don't see an ebuild for Emacs CC-Mode.
app-xemacs/cc-mode
Regards,
Michael
Re: [gentoo-user] New gentoo installation fails when trying to install syslog-ng
On Thursday, 15. September 2011 00:27:43 Trifu Catalin Florin wrote: On 2011-09-14 22:23, Michael Mol wrote: like get hidden by '-Show quoted text-'. Hit reply, hit ctrl-End to get to the bottom, reply...and not realize that you jumped past five kilobytes' worth of stale, quoted conversation. Ouch! That (almost) physically hurt! ;-) Best regards Peter K, longing for Pine (but too busy lazy to configure fetchmail right now) It seams that the discussion degenerated on how to send emails... Can anyone please help regarding my problem? It seems that indeed I have an old kernel version, but how is that possible taking into consideration that I have used genkernel? How can I upgrade it? You did not reboot. genkernel maybe built a new kernel and installed it into /boot, but to make use of the newly built kernel, you have to reboot. If you think, that rebooting is not suitable right now, I offered two alternative (possible) solutions to your compile problems. 1) disable sandbox temporarily 2) use busybox's touch instead googling now... a here's a reference: http://foxpa.ws/2011/04/12/portage-errors-touch-no-such-file-or-directory/ I was wrong. You don't need a kernel 2.6.22, you need a kernel = 2.6.22 :) Best, Michael
Re: [gentoo-user] New gentoo installation fails when trying to install syslog-ng
On Thursday, 15. September 2011 01:16:12 Trifu Catalin Florin wrote: First, make sure you have emerged the kernel's sources. Second, check that the newer sources have been selected: 'eselect kernel list' followed by 'eselect kernel set'. Build the kernel, either using genkernel or make triumvirate (make menuconfig make make modules_install) Install the new kernel in /boot. Reboot. Warning: packages that build their own kernel modules, e.g., xtables-addons, must be re-emerged prior to rebooting. Rgds, --- :((( :((( Is it possible to compile the kernel without emerging kernel's sources? No. I have made an installation one week ago on a virtual machine and it worked fine. The kernel on that virtual machine is 2.6.39-gentoo-r3. How is it possible to use the same manual, same mirrors, same steps and still to have a different kernel version? How is it possible not to work? You did not reboot. If I use genkernel is because I DON'T KNOW how to compile the kernel manually. This being said, sentences like: Warning: packages that build their own kernel modules, e.g., xtables-addons, must be re-emerged prior to rebooting. are the Gordian knot for me. No problem. Just use genkernel, if you like. It works for many of us without problems. But you have to reboot. No matter how you build your kernel. I'm very frustrated because on gentoo's forum no one didn't answer for three days now, and on this mailing list we have changed 4-5 emails regarding how an email should be written. If you want help, you need to know, how to ask questions in a correct way - if your mails are unreadable, nobody will read them and you will get no answers. Meanwhile, my server is still offline. Why don't you follow my advices? Have you tried only one of the options I offered? You know, I am an experienced user, I don't tell you shit. Now, in another order of ideas: - I have searched the internet for 2-3 days before sending an email here Here's a tip. If you see an error, you cannot decipher, put it into google with quotes and gentoo, in your case: touch: setting times of gentoo The second hit, I get here, describes your problem. - I didn't read the standard of how to send an email and I'm sorry for that but I didn't had time - I wrote the emails using the format that seemed more natural for me, the newest on top having the track of emails bellow, so that anyone who sees the email can understand what's this all about, including myself; I had to search for a half an our in my emails to find the first email on another topic... - I do not now how you format your emails to look the way they look, having that sentence on top with x wrote on... and before each line of the text you keep for reply; this is why I have used standard reply from yahoo, because I didn't wanted to reinvent the wheel I hit reply in my mail-client (kmail). That's all I have to do. Is yahoo's reply really so broken? Hmmm. - I HAVE A LOT OF RESPECT FOR EACH USER ON THIS EMAIL LIST BUT I NEED URGENT HELP ON THE TOPIC: I CANNOT INSTALL GENTOOO - I AM NOT AN EXPERIENCED USER WHO CAN CREATE HIS OWN KERNEL, RE-WRITE DRIVERS AND SO ON; PLEASE TAKE THIS INTO CONSIDERATION AND IF YOU ANSWER HAVE PATIENCE Shouting at people, that try to help, is a bad idea in my book. Thank you in advance! Best, Michael
Re: [gentoo-user] New gentoo installation fails when trying to install syslog-ng
On Thursday, 15. September 2011 01:58:59 Trifu Catalin Florin wrote: On Thursday, 15. September 2011 01:16:12 Trifu Catalin Florin wrote: First, make sure you have emerged the kernel's sources. Second, check that the newer sources have been selected: 'eselect kernel list' followed by 'eselect kernel set'. Build the kernel, either using genkernel or make triumvirate (make menuconfig make make modules_install) Install the new kernel in /boot. Reboot. Warning: packages that build their own kernel modules, e.g., xtables-addons, must be re-emerged prior to rebooting. Rgds, --- :((( :((( Is it possible to compile the kernel without emerging kernel's sources? No. I have made an installation one week ago on a virtual machine and it worked fine. The kernel on that virtual machine is 2.6.39-gentoo-r3. How is it possible to use the same manual, same mirrors, same steps and still to have a different kernel version? How is it possible not to work? You did not reboot. If I use genkernel is because I DON'T KNOW how to compile the kernel manually. This being said, sentences like: Warning: packages that build their own kernel modules, e.g., xtables-addons, must be re-emerged prior to rebooting. are the Gordian knot for me. No problem. Just use genkernel, if you like. It works for many of us without problems. But you have to reboot. No matter how you build your kernel. I'm very frustrated because on gentoo's forum no one didn't answer for three days now, and on this mailing list we have changed 4-5 emails regarding how an email should be written. If you want help, you need to know, how to ask questions in a correct way - if your mails are unreadable, nobody will read them and you will get no answers. Meanwhile, my server is still offline. Why don't you follow my advices? Have you tried only one of the options I offered? You know, I am an experienced user, I don't tell you shit. Now, in another order of ideas: - I have searched the internet for 2-3 days before sending an email here Here's a tip. If you see an error, you cannot decipher, put it into google with quotes and gentoo, in your case: touch: setting times of gentoo The second hit, I get here, describes your problem. - I didn't read the standard of how to send an email and I'm sorry for that but I didn't had time - I wrote the emails using the format that seemed more natural for me, the newest on top having the track of emails bellow, so that anyone who sees the email can understand what's this all about, including myself; I had to search for a half an our in my emails to find the first email on another topic... - I do not now how you format your emails to look the way they look, having that sentence on top with x wrote on... and before each line of the text you keep for reply; this is why I have used standard reply from yahoo, because I didn't wanted to reinvent the wheel I hit reply in my mail-client (kmail). That's all I have to do. Is yahoo's reply really so broken? Hmmm. - I HAVE A LOT OF RESPECT FOR EACH USER ON THIS EMAIL LIST BUT I NEED URGENT HELP ON THE TOPIC: I CANNOT INSTALL GENTOOO - I AM NOT AN EXPERIENCED USER WHO CAN CREATE HIS OWN KERNEL, RE-WRITE DRIVERS AND SO ON; PLEASE TAKE THIS INTO CONSIDERATION AND IF YOU ANSWER HAVE PATIENCE Shouting at people, that try to help, is a bad idea in my book. Thank you in advance! Best, Michael Dear Michael Thank you for your help! I didn't reboot my machine as the installation is not complete yet. How can I reboot when the installation isn't finish, if things that should work don't work in the first place? I can well understand, that you don't like to reboot your server right now. I didn't try your advices as I don't now how to try them. How do I deactivate sandbox? In /etc/make.conf 1) it already has a line starting with FEATURES= a) that line already has an entry sandbox solution: add a - before it, so it reads -sandbox b) the line does not contain sandbox solution: add -sandbox at the end 2) there's no line starting with FEATURES= solution: add line FEATURES=-sandbox to /etc/make.conf I tried to search for touch: setting times of gentoo but I don't understand how this is related to my problem. That's (part of) the error-message you got, when you tried to compile syslog- ng (in fact, it was part of the error, when emerge tried to compile autoconf, which is needed by syslog-ng) Yahoo reply broken? I don't know what to say about that... gmail works in the same way, outlook in the same way, thunderbird in the same way. No, they don't. A lot of people here on the list use thunderbird and gmail, most replies are wellformed. Don't know, what outlook does. There's no linux- or BSD-version, so I don't care. Now I'm at work, but when I will get home I will try your advices. I don't
Re: [gentoo-user] New gentoo installation fails when trying to install syslog-ng
On Thursday, 15. September 2011 11:25:56 Joost Roeleveld wrote: On Thursday, September 15, 2011 01:58:59 AM Trifu Catalin Florin wrote: On Thursday, 15. September 2011 01:16:12 Trifu Catalin Florin wrote: snipped undecypherable part Dear Michael Thank you for your help! I didn't reboot my machine as the installation is not complete yet. How can I reboot when the installation isn't finish, if things that should work don't work in the first place? I could not find the currently running kernel you are using in this thread. It's 2.6.19-something. He hit's a problem with new coreutils running on kernels older than 2.6.22 Something related to futimesat, that was introduced with this kernel. Possibly, you are hitting an issue caused by a feature lacking in that kernel. What did you boot your machine with prior to starting the installation? Please also include the version and URL where you downloaded this from. I didn't try your advices as I don't now how to try them. How do I deactivate sandbox? Michael grimlog Schreckenbauer actually already told you how to do this: ** If you cannot upgrade your kernel right now, you can disable the sandbox FEATURES=-sandbox in /etc/make.conf (I do not recommend this) ** The sandbox is a security feature. If you disable it to get the install working and a newer kernel-version. Please undo this change after the first boot into the new kernel. Ack. I tried to search for touch: setting times of gentoo but I don't understand how this is related to my problem. Yahoo reply broken? I don't know what to say about that... gmail works in the same way, outlook in the same way, thunderbird in the same way. In other words, they're all broken. A good Email client will allow you to send non-HTML email. Puts quote marks in front of the lines and add a bladibla wrote this or similar line. It should also allow you to easily put your reply at the bottom of the email. GMail has been mentioned a few times as doing things wrongly. I won't even mention the many ways in which MS Outlook does things badly and Thunderbird wants to be a copy of MS Outlook. Afaict, there are quite a few people here using thunderbird. Most replies are wellformed. Outlook, well... it's not a mail-client after all. Best, Michael
Re: [gentoo-user] udev + /usr
On Thursday, 15. September 2011 16:48:45 Joost Roeleveld wrote: I agree he is wrong about the solution as well. I have actually just posted my idea to the gentoo-dev list to see how the developers actually feel about possible splitting udev into 2 parts. I've read it there. Thanks for doing this. I'm not a good enough programmer to do this myself. But if anyone who can code and who also agrees with me that my idea for a solution is actually a good idea, please let me know and lets see how far we can get with implementing this solution. I'm definitely interested in this. I don't know, how many or little I can contribute. Working as a freelancer, I have some time now, but this could change quite fast. I have developed quite a few daemons at the company I worked for the past ~10 years. So I can say, I have some experience in doing things your proposal needs. Feel free to send me PM, if you have questions about me, my knowledge or simply to exchange ideas. -- Joost Best, Michael
Re: [gentoo-user] udev + /usr
On Thursday, 15. September 2011 11:03:09 Michael Mol wrote: Yes, except that udev ONLY handles kernel-events and doesn't process any actions itself. These are placed on a seperate queue for a seperate process. The problem with this is that you now need to manage synchronization between the kernel event processor and the action processor, which is actually more complicated than keeping them together in a single-threaded, single-process scenario. Yes, it's more complicated to do. But not impossible. IPC, shared memory and what not, exists for a reason Best, Michael
Re: [gentoo-user] New gentoo installation fails when trying to install syslog-ng
Hi, On Wednesday, 14. September 2011 08:01:56 Trifu Catalin Florin wrote: Hi everyone! I have a big problem trying to install Gentoo. I have completed all the steps from the manual, as I have did it so many times, and I'm stuck trying to install syslog-ng. The machine is very old, it has an Athlon processor and 256MB of RAM, but it worked fine with gentoo. The error can be seen bellow: snip The same error I get for vixie-cron. this is sys-devel/autoconf failing, building some emacs related things. Try USE=-emacs emerge -av1 sys-devel/autoconf If that works, add sys-devel/autoconf -emacs to /etc/portage/package.use Some other things worth mentioning: - portage didn't request for an update What version is installed? - mirrorselect -i -o faild with error: cannot download a list of mirrors or something similar. No idea. I will really appreciate your help as my server is down for two days now. Thank you! Best regards! Regards, Michael
Re: [gentoo-user] New gentoo installation fails when trying to install syslog-ng
On Wednesday, 14. September 2011 09:00:02 Trifu Catalin Florin wrote: Hi the version of portage: Portage 2.1.10.11 (default/linux/x86/10.0/desktop, gcc-4.4.5, 2.1.10.11 is the latest. So no error here glibc-2.12.2-r0, 2.6.19-gentoo-r5 i686) USE=-emacs emerge -av1 sys-devel/autoconf - ir doesn't work; same error Is there space left on the device? If so, does something like touch /var/tmp/portage/foo.stamp (as root) work? Nilesh, can you please be more explicite? Thank you! Best, Michael BTW: please don't top-post if possible. From: Michael Schreckenbauer grim...@gmx.de To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2011 6:27 PM Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] New gentoo installation fails when trying to install syslog-ng Hi, On Wednesday, 14. September 2011 08:01:56 Trifu Catalin Florin wrote: Hi everyone! I have a big problem trying to install Gentoo. I have completed all the steps from the manual, as I have did it so many times, and I'm stuck trying to install syslog-ng. The machine is very old, it has an Athlon processor and 256MB of RAM, but it worked fine with gentoo. The error can be seen bellow: snip The same error I get for vixie-cron. this is sys-devel/autoconf failing, building some emacs related things. Try USE=-emacs emerge -av1 sys-devel/autoconf If that works, add sys-devel/autoconf -emacs to /etc/portage/package.use Some other things worth mentioning: - portage didn't request for an update What version is installed? - mirrorselect -i -o faild with error: cannot download a list of mirrors or something similar. No idea. I will really appreciate your help as my server is down for two days now. Thank you! Best regards! Regards, Michael
Re: [gentoo-user] New gentoo installation fails when trying to install syslog-ng
On Wednesday, 14. September 2011 09:48:33 Trifu Catalin Florin wrote: Hi Michael I have 1.9GB left and it works to create a new file. Ah, got it. Your kernel is too old. You need a kernel 2.6.22 to make this work. If you cannot upgrade your kernel right now, you can disable the sandbox FEATURES=-sandbox in /etc/make.conf (I do not recommend this) Or you can replace touch with busybox's implementation (if bb is installed) mv /bin/touch /root (to save it for later restauration) ln -s /bin/bb /bin/touch BTW: What means don't top-post if possible? - http://idallen.com/topposting.html Best, Michael From: Michael Schreckenbauer grim...@gmx.de To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2011 7:12 PM Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] New gentoo installation fails when trying to install syslog-ng On Wednesday, 14. September 2011 09:00:02 Trifu Catalin Florin wrote: Hi the version of portage: Portage 2.1.10.11 (default/linux/x86/10.0/desktop, gcc-4.4.5, 2.1.10.11 is the latest. So no error here glibc-2.12.2-r0, 2.6.19-gentoo-r5 i686) USE=-emacs emerge -av1 sys-devel/autoconf - ir doesn't work; same error Is there space left on the device? If so, does something like touch /var/tmp/portage/foo.stamp (as root) work? Nilesh, can you please be more explicite? Thank you! Best, Michael BTW: please don't top-post if possible. From: Michael Schreckenbauer grim...@gmx.de To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2011 6:27 PM Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] New gentoo installation fails when trying to install syslog-ng Hi, On Wednesday, 14. September 2011 08:01:56 Trifu Catalin Florin wrote: Hi everyone! I have a big problem trying to install Gentoo. I have completed all the steps from the manual, as I have did it so many times, and I'm stuck trying to install syslog-ng. The machine is very old, it has an Athlon processor and 256MB of RAM, but it worked fine with gentoo. The error can be seen bellow: snip The same error I get for vixie-cron. this is sys-devel/autoconf failing, building some emacs related things. Try USE=-emacs emerge -av1 sys-devel/autoconf If that works, add sys-devel/autoconf -emacs to /etc/portage/package.use Some other things worth mentioning: - portage didn't request for an update What version is installed? - mirrorselect -i -o faild with error: cannot download a list of mirrors or something similar. No idea. I will really appreciate your help as my server is down for two days now. Thank you! Best regards! Regards, Michael
Re: [gentoo-user] New gentoo installation fails when trying to install syslog-ng
On Wednesday, 14. September 2011 12:16:19 Trifu Catalin Florin wrote: Me wrote: Ah, got it. Your kernel is too old. You need a kernel 2.6.22 to make this work. If you cannot upgrade your kernel right now, you can disable the sandbox FEATURES=-sandbox in /etc/make.conf (I do not recommend this) Or you can replace touch with busybox's implementation (if bb is installed) mv /bin/touch /root (to save it for later restauration) ln -s /bin/bb /bin/touch This can't be true. My kernel version is 2.6.39-gentoo-r3. Are you sure? To quote you from an earlier mail: Hi the version of portage: Portage 2.1.10.11 (default/linux/x86/10.0/desktop, gcc-4.4.5, glibc-2.12.2-r0, 2.6.19-gentoo-r5 i686) See? 2.6.19... Did you reboot with the new kernel? Best, Michael
Re: [gentoo-user] New gentoo installation fails when trying to install syslog-ng
On Wednesday, 14. September 2011 12:36:40 Trifu Catalin Florin wrote: . Hi, may I ask, how you actually reply to this list? I see you now learned about top-posting :) But your replies still are very hard to read. First of all, you really should delete unrelated parts of the mail. See? I don't refer to the content of your mail, so I simply deleted it. Second, but less important, no html, please - your mails are so called multipart, that's better than plain html. but plain text is preferred here on the list. And last and imo most important: the way you reply, damages the quoting of the content. It's hard to see, who wrote what in what context. Do you hit forward mail or reply mail? Best, Michael
Re: [gentoo-user] New gentoo installation fails when trying to install syslog-ng
On Wednesday, 14. September 2011 13:25:41 Trifu Catalin Florin wrote: As you can probably see I'm using yahoo mail, so obviously I use yahoo's reply. This mail will be sent as plain text. I'm sorry for the inconvenient of having you read emails that do not respect the standard, I didn't even knew there is one. No problem, really. Michael, I didn't reboot the computer. How could I when I'm reinstalling gentoo? Anyway, can someone please tell me how can I see the kernel version? uname -r does this Best, Michael
Really OT now (Re: [gentoo-user] udev + /usr)
Hi Alan,
On Wednesday, 14. September 2011 21:34:01 Alan Mackenzie wrote:
I've been contributing to Emacs in general and CC Mode in particular for
10 years. I've been the sole maintainer of CC Mode (the mode used for
coding in C, C++, Objective C, Java, Awk, and a couple of others, and an
unknown number of derived modes) for around 5 years. Over that time I've
spent thousands of hours on the project. My latest release was on
Monday, and you can find it at
http://cc-mode.sourceforge.net/release.php. If you use {,X}Emacs to
hack in any these languages, I recommend you to download and install it.
although I'm a vim-using guy, and that only if no kate is available, I have
emacs and cc-mode installed on every machine I use for coding. At times I even
use it :)
Really cool stuff you do there and thanks for the work.
Best,
Michael
Re: [gentoo-user] udev + /usr
On Monday, 12. September 2011 19:31:54 Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 6:00 PM, Michael Schreckenbauer grim...@gmx.de wrote: On Monday, 12. September 2011 22:57:40 Alan McKinnon wrote: On Mon, 12 Sep 2011 16:07:46 -0400 Michael Mol mike...@gmail.com wrote: No, it states that it's not solveable for the broadest set of cases (I hesitate to say 'universally') unless you can run arbitrary scripts which may be in /usr. Consider it possible that nfsd is needed to mount /usr. The credentials needed for NFS to connect to the server are on an encrypted partition. The key for decrypting that partition is stored on a USB flash drive. The USB flash drive is formatted using a very recent version of NTFS. FUSE is necessary to read that flash drive's filesystem. You do realize what you just did, right? You ruined a wonderfully heated argument by inserting perfectly valid facts. I'd love to see the working initramfs for that scenario... and then the version dracut made :) Not my use case, so maybe wrong, but: USE=crypt crypt-gpg nfs emerge -v sys-kernel/dracut dracut -H -m crypt crypt-gpg nfs --filesystems fuse USE does not work. Has to be DRACUT_MODULES :) ...and maybe some -i flags to include the ntfs-3g binaries. Maybe... what if I miss some modules, so that my initramfs is not able to mount /usr? I assume dracut is installed in /usr/*? How would one get a working system again? Regards. Best, Michael
Re: [gentoo-user] udev + /usr
Hi Alan, On Tuesday, 13. September 2011 14:40:36 Alan Mackenzie wrote: On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 07:50:13PM +0200, Michael Schreckenbauer wrote: Hi Alan, On Monday, 12. September 2011 17:17:37 Alan Mackenzie wrote: Hi, Michael. On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 05:33:34PM +0200, Michael Schreckenbauer wrote: Hi Alan, Well, I'm a hacker. udev is free source, therefore fair game. I don't intend to put up with this nonsense without a fight. As far as I can make out, this is just one guy, Kay Sievers, who's on a power trip. Are there any indications at all that he actually talked to anybody in the wide world before making such a far reaching decision? On my current system, udev (164-r2) works without an earlily loaded /usr. Seemingly, later versions don't. That was why I was asking for somebody to identify one of these later versions for me. it works for you, because your udev-rules need nothing from /usr/* It's *not* udev requiring /usr, it's the scripts triggered by the rules. Ah. OK. Maybe I've misunderstood the whole thing. Could it be that there's no explicit requirement for early mounting of /usr, providing one has the discipline to keep everything needed for booting in the / partition? I think so. But you will run an unsupported config afaict. Another point is, that baselayout might change, iff gentoo follows fedora. Afaik fedora wants /bin, /sbin and /lib to be symlinks to /usr/* and keep them only for legacy reasons. Fixing udev to continue working with separate /usr is far from trivial imo. Changing some paths is not the way to go for sure. Maybe, maybe not. No, I wrote for sure, because I *know* this. Sorry about that. No problem. Sorry for the tone, too. Sounded ruder than it was meant. Best, Michael
Re: [gentoo-user] udev + /usr
On Tuesday, 13. September 2011 11:21:22 Walter Dnes wrote: This thread reminds me of the old joke that an elephant is actually a mouse designed by a committee. Trying to cover every possible edge case with a one-size-fits-all solution doesn't work without bloating everybody's system. If someone wants an arbitrary binary really early in bootup, link it statically and save to /etc/udev/bin or where ever, +1 and leave the other 99% of us to ignore initramfs. Is this from the same Redhat that brought us BlueCurve and made Pulseadio the default on their OS? No, this is some other guy. Kay Sievers hacks on udev, systemd and related stuff. He's the one responsible for this initramfs is needed for separate /usr-crap afaict. The one doing pulseaudio is Lennart BSD isn't relevant anymore Poettering. Best, Michael
Re: [gentoo-user] udev + /usr
On Tuesday, 13. September 2011 17:10:40 Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 4:57 PM, Michael Mol mike...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 4:52 PM, Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com wrote: Want to change the direction of the distro? You know what needs to be done. Be more specific. It sounds like there are a lot of people in here who want to change the direction of the distro. Sorry: I said it a lot of times before in the other thread, so I thought it was clear. Is it simply subscribing to -dev and voicing the conversation there? Of course not. But please, do that if you think it will help to steer Gentoo to whatever direction do you think is the correct one. Personaly I don't think the devs (who, AFAIK, do not receive a single dime for working on Gentoo) will appreciate anybody telling them how they should do their jobs, the one they do for free. But that's just me. As you well know, not all of our devs are in favour of this idea. To quote one of them (vapier) brain dead behavior in other packages has no bearing on openrc. openrc will never require crap like initramfs simply to boot. -mike And in a later mail: ...if there is something in openrc that doesnt work with a split /usr or /var, then file a bug because it is a bug... No, by you know what needs to be done I mean: code. Contribute. Become a developer. Make shit happens the way you think it should happen. Shut up and code. Google it, I didn't come with the phrase. There are already devs on our side. Fortunatly one of them maintains openrc :) Regards. Regards, Michael
Re: [gentoo-user] udev + /usr
On Tuesday, 13. September 2011 17:53:04 Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 5:30 PM, Michael Schreckenbauer grim...@gmx.de wrote: There are already devs on our side. Fortunatly one of them maintains openrc :) I really don't see them as sides. We are not at war. :) And if OpenRC is capable of booting without needing an initramfs, I really, truly believe that is *GREAT*. But a) It doesn't stop OpenRC to actually use an initramfs b) Doesn't mean every other part of the stack will keep working without an initramfs *AND* with a separated /usr. c) Doesn't mean there are enough developers to keep supporting the things upstream stop supporting. Again, it all comes down to whoever writes the code. If Vapier wants to support OpenRC for systems without initramfs and a separated /usr, that's amazing and we should all said thanks to him and the other devs for the extra effort. But it *WILL* be extra effort for him the moment more upstreams choose to assume that either /usr is in /, or that the system boots with an initramfs. We can thank Vapier, but we cannot *demand* of him to support whatever we want. Nor to any other dev. I do not demand anything from any developer (unless I pay him). So,if you *TRULY* believe that Gentoo should forever and ever support any setup it has supported up until now, better start coding. Because otherwise you can never be sure somebody else will do it for you. Not that it has some value for this discussion, but I *do* code. It's just not udev, openrc or as a gentoo-dev. If gentoo follows fedora on this mandatory initramfs trail, I'll switch to FreeBSD completely. My software works on way more systems than just Linux. And maybe I shouldn't even mention it, but I don't use OpenRC. I use systemd. And it works great on Gentoo. Well. Linux only. If I wanted a monoculture, I would use MS-Windows or OSX. Regards. Regards, Michael
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: /dev/sda* missing at boot
Hi, On Monday, 12. September 2011 10:40:02 Nicolas Sebrecht wrote: The 09/09/11, Michael Schreckenbauer wrote: The question arose, when Canek mentioned bluetoothd, that udev seems to need in some cases. This is wrong. udev on its own does not require extra tools from /usr. Though, the rules used by udev do use software in /usr. It's NOT a udev fault _at all_. Well, this is details. Where's the diffference from user-point-of-view, whether it's udev itself or some scripts executed by udev? And I tend to disagree, with the not udev's fault part. udev treats all exit-codes from scripts as if the device were not present. This includes errors of all kinds. How is this supposed to work at all? So, what's the good way to fix all that mess? Certainly not moving most of software to /. Fortunately, we can expect /usr to be mounted before udev starts via the initramfs. That's *your* opinion. Most people on this list disagree. It does NOT mean everybody will require a initramfs. It means people WANTING a seperate /usr will need a initramfs. The good thing is that a lot of tools now in / will be granted back to /usr. Let's clean up /. Also, it's a _good_ news for admins expecting to maintain systems with a shared /usr (e.g. over the network). Since when is a mandatory initramfs a good thing for admins? Care to explain? Regards, Michael
Re: [gentoo-user] two question about Xfce
Hi, On Monday, 12. September 2011 15:01:34 András Csányi wrote: Dear All, I have two question about Xfce: Is used kwin under xfce somehow? If a KDE application is used kwin always gets in the picture? No, unless you tell it to (kwin --replace iirc) and no. How to fix your problem, I have no idea. - How can I set up the position of the newly started application in Xfce? For example, if I start a new application (Openoffice, Chromium, Kile, etc.) it's fitted to the center of the screen. In this case it's very uncomfortable for me because my screen is 2880x900 px (because of the two monitors) and the center is 1440x0 which is under the panel. That seems to be smart placement, which is based on the windows size. You can adjust that in Settings-Window Manager Tweaks-Placement. If that doesn't suffice, you could experiment with x11-misc/wmctrl Thanks for any help in advance! András Hth, Michael
Re: [gentoo-user] udev + /usr
Hi Alan, On Monday, 12. September 2011 15:02:48 Alan Mackenzie wrote: Hi, everybody. Hope nobody minds me starting a new thread with an accurate name. Which version of udev is it that has this nauseating feature of needing /usr loaded to boot? Somewhere in that version's source will be several (or lots of) /usr. Just how difficult is it going to be to replace /usr/bin with /bin throughout the source? you misunderstood something. udev is able to run arbitrary scripts. Some of those scripts are located in /usr/* or need something there. I doubt you will find references to /usr in the udev-sources. udev is part of the kernel. No. udev is usperspace. How come the kernel hackers aren't up in arms about this as much as we are? Or are they, maybe? In which case, maybe the kernel people would welcome an option to disrequire the early mounting of /usr as much as we would. Anyhow, I'd like to take a peek at the source code which does this evil thing. Would somebody please tell me which version of udev is involved. Every udev version works this way. Fixing udev to continue working with separate /usr is far from trivial imo. Changing some paths is not the way to go for sure. First of all, udev has to distinguish between device not present and script error of some kind. Failing scripts have to be queued somehow for later execution. If a script keeps failing, it has to be removed from that queue, with a message to syslog or something like that. If udev needs a script in /usr/* to mount /usr then there's a chicken-egg-problem, which could be hard to solve (if possible at all without moving things from /usr/ to /). Note, that I am wild guessing here, I did not study the udev sources or any related script/rule :) Thanks. Best, Michael
Re: [gentoo-user] udev + /usr
Hi Canek, On Monday, 12. September 2011 11:35:13 Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: (This would be my only post in this new thread: I think I have made my point of view clear in the other thread). I have seen a lot of disinformation going on in the other threads (like some people suggesting that /var would not be able to be on its own partition at some point in the future). Just before everyone start to wildy conjecture, please take a look at this: http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/separate-usr-is-broken well, the culprit here is: The binaries called from these rules are sometimes located on /usr/bin, or link against libraries in /usr/lib, or use data files from /usr/share. If these rules fail udev will proceed with the next one, however later on applications will then not properly detect these udev devices or features of these devices. Why doesn't udev queue failing scripts for later execution? It just assumes everything is in place in the moment it needs it. This is bad design for a tool, coming in so early in the boot process. Also, a look at this thread is maybe justified: http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.comp.sysutils.systemd.devel/1728/ Same thing here. This all basically reads We did some really bad design choices, now let's fix the surroundings. The following sentence really made me laugh: If so, what does LSB say to this new directory? Nothing really, they just document current common practice. We might request an update to LSB after it is used for a while and has shown that it is what we want. He does not know, if the thing he designed is the thing he wants. That's ridiculous! Change happens. We already know this. Regards everyone. Best, Michael
Re: [gentoo-user] package.provided messes up emerging of package slots?
On Monday, 12. September 2011 18:41:37 Nikos Chantziaras wrote: In my /etc/portage/profile/package.provided, I have this: media-libs/freetype-1.4_pre20080316-r2 When I try to emerge freetype however, instead of emerging the newer version, I get: $ emerge freetype WARNING: A requested package will not be merged because it is listed in package.provided: freetype pulled in by 'args' Nothing to merge; would you like to auto-clean packages? [Yes/No] Trying emerge freetype:2 also won't work. The only only to emerge it seems is by using the whole version (emerge =freetype-2.4.6). Is this a bug? At least it's inconsistent. I would expect that the emerge with complete version also fails. Regards, Michael
Re: [gentoo-user] udev + /usr
On Monday, 12. September 2011 12:42:00 Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 12:21 PM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: You say it was disinformation about /var. Care to explain why me and one other person read the same thing? It was mentioned on -dev. I was pretty sure it was and then another person posted they read the same. So, I'm almost certain it was said at this point. Surely we can't both be wrong. Where did you guys read it? Who said /var could not be in its own partition anymore? What piece of code stops working if /var it's in its own partition? Who is proposing that a separated /var will not be supported in the future? Just have a look in /var/lib/* for example. You guarantee, that nothing of this stuff is or will be needed by udev? The thread I post talks about /var/run and /var/lock needing to be symbolic links to /run and /lock, but AFAIK (and I tend to follow this sort of things) /var not only can be in its own partition, it is the recommended setup. Yes. Until this dev has his next brilliant idea. Saying that proposing /run and /lock to be available at boot time Damn, this list is like crack. For sure :) Regards everyone. Best, Michael
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: package.provided messes up emerging of package slots?
On Monday, 12. September 2011 20:04:47 Nikos Chantziaras wrote: On 09/12/2011 07:42 PM, Michael Schreckenbauer wrote: On Monday, 12. September 2011 18:41:37 Nikos Chantziaras wrote: In my /etc/portage/profile/package.provided, I have this: media-libs/freetype-1.4_pre20080316-r2 When I try to emerge freetype however, instead of emerging the newer version, I get: $ emerge freetype WARNING: A requested package will not be merged because it is listed in package.provided: freetype pulled in by 'args' Nothing to merge; would you like to auto-clean packages? [Yes/No] Trying emerge freetype:2 also won't work. The only only to emerge it seems is by using the whole version (emerge =freetype-2.4.6). Is this a bug? At least it's inconsistent. I would expect that the emerge with complete version also fails. It's slotted, so it shouldn't fail. Freetype 1 and 2 can be installed at the same time. Yes, that's true for the packages provided by portage. portage does not know anything about the freetype you provide, so it shouldn't install any freetype from any slot by any command. Best, Michael
Re: [gentoo-user] udev + /usr
Hi Alan, On Monday, 12. September 2011 17:17:37 Alan Mackenzie wrote: Hi, Michael. On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 05:33:34PM +0200, Michael Schreckenbauer wrote: Hi Alan, On Monday, 12. September 2011 15:02:48 Alan Mackenzie wrote: Hope nobody minds me starting a new thread with an accurate name. Which version of udev is it that has this nauseating feature of needing /usr loaded to boot? Somewhere in that version's source will be several (or lots of) /usr. Just how difficult is it going to be to replace /usr/bin with /bin throughout the source? you misunderstood something. udev is able to run arbitrary scripts. Some of those scripts are located in /usr/* or need something there. I doubt you will find references to /usr in the udev-sources. Well, I'm a hacker. udev is free source, therefore fair game. I don't intend to put up with this nonsense without a fight. As far as I can make out, this is just one guy, Kay Sievers, who's on a power trip. Are there any indications at all that he actually talked to anybody in the wide world before making such a far reaching decision? On my current system, udev (164-r2) works without an earlily loaded /usr. Seemingly, later versions don't. That was why I was asking for somebody to identify one of these later versions for me. it works for you, because your udev-rules need nothing from /usr/* It's *not* udev requiring /usr, it's the scripts triggered by the rules. udev is part of the kernel. No. udev is usperspace. OK, udev is in userspace, _very_ _close_ to the kernel. ;-) How come the kernel hackers aren't up in arms about this as much as we are? Or are they, maybe? In which case, maybe the kernel people would welcome an option to disrequire the early mounting of /usr as much as we would. Anyhow, I'd like to take a peek at the source code which does this evil thing. Would somebody please tell me which version of udev is involved. Every udev version works this way. My udev (164-r2) is just fine at the moment. I'm not sure what you mean by that statement. It works for you. Every udev-version I know of, is able to run any script you like it to. Fixing udev to continue working with separate /usr is far from trivial imo. Changing some paths is not the way to go for sure. Maybe, maybe not. No, I wrote for sure, because I *know* this. But it seems a changing of paths (/ - /usr) is precisely what is breaking newer udevs. No, it is *not* It might be possible to change them back. This could involve moving a fair amount of stuff from /usr to /, but not half as much as moving the entire /usr partition. Again, udev can run arbitrary scripts. First of all, udev has to distinguish between device not present and script error of some kind. Failing scripts have to be queued somehow for later execution. If a script keeps failing, it has to be removed from that queue, with a message to syslog or something like that. If udev needs a script in /usr/* to mount /usr then there's a chicken-egg-problem, which could be hard to solve (if possible at all without moving things from /usr/ to /). Note, that I am wild guessing here, I did not study the udev sources or any related script/rule :) This sounds like a separate (if related) problem. No, this *is* the problem.Canek has posted some links in the other thread, some other guy, I have forgotten who it was, posted others. If interested read them. I really don't want to offend you, but unless you understand, how things work and what the problem is, don't waste your time looking at udev's sources. Best, Michael
