Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo Brainstorm !
On Monday 10 March 2008, Dan Farrell wrote: Furthermore, it's possible we can simply have the code that runs on ubuntu's site. I have sent a mail[1] to the webmasters of ubuntu.com, hoping it will be directed to the proper feedback channels. I know hosting won't be a problem; I'm sure the gentoo web people would stick it on a box somewhere, or, failing that, give us a subdomain to work with on our own servers. I'm not a webmaster of ubuntu.com, but I'd have to say that creating a Gentoo Brainstorm website using Drupal wouldn't be difficult at all - that is, after all, what the Ubuntu folks have done: http://drupal.org/node/228222 http://drupal.org/node/228203 I don't know which module they've used exactly, but there are several that might be helpful: http://drupal.org/project/vote_up_down http://drupal.org/project/drupalit http://drupal.org/project/advpoll http://drupal.org/project/procon On a final note, let's not just copy what Ubuntu has done. Let's do it better instead, there's nothing that can't be improved. -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo Brainstorm !
Tapio Raevaara [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Monday 10 March 2008, Dan Farrell wrote: Furthermore, it's possible we can simply have the code that runs on ubuntu's site. I have sent a mail[1] to the webmasters of ubuntu.com, hoping it will be directed to the proper feedback channels. I know hosting won't be a problem; I'm sure the gentoo web people would stick it on a box somewhere, or, failing that, give us a subdomain to work with on our own servers. I'm not a webmaster of ubuntu.com, but I'd have to say that creating a Gentoo Brainstorm website using Drupal wouldn't be difficult at all - that is, after all, what the Ubuntu folks have done: http://drupal.org/node/228222 http://drupal.org/node/228203 I don't know which module they've used exactly, but there are several that might be helpful: http://drupal.org/project/vote_up_down http://drupal.org/project/drupalit http://drupal.org/project/advpoll http://drupal.org/project/procon On a final note, let's not just copy what Ubuntu has done. Let's do it better instead, there's nothing that can't be improved. Ubuntu's site runs over drupal 5 and the code for the module they use is under bazaar here: https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-qa-website-devel/ Regards p.d. There is poll on the forums about this idea here http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-673136.html -- Rodrigo Lazo (rlazo) -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo Brainstorm !
On Thu, 06 Mar 2008 20:32:21 -0500 Chris Brennan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One other thing that may be good, is someone to donate resources if need be to get the project off the ground. Us doing all the technical footwork, means very little if there is no practical application in place, something tangible to look at and evaluate. If we're going to commit to this, then we may as well go as far as we can with it, till it looks so impressive and awe-inspiring that we can't help but be flocked to, like gentoo-wiki and the forums. When I help new users into the world of Linux and Gentoo, I tell them, there are three things you should book mark, and visit frequently, gentoo.com, gentoo-wiki.com and forums.gentoo.org, why shouldn't this be any different. Friends, I write custom database-driven websites like this one professionally, and there is absolutely no reason that, if I had just a little help coding the thing, we couldn't turn something like this into a reality. If anyone is interested in, and has the resources necessary to, make this happen, please speak up. The project might to very well if we had someone to do a little web design, someone to write a little PHP, and whoever else wanted to help, besides myself. Furthermore, it's possible we can simply have the code that runs on ubuntu's site. I have sent a mail[1] to the webmasters of ubuntu.com, hoping it will be directed to the proper feedback channels. I know hosting won't be a problem; I'm sure the gentoo web people would stick it on a box somewhere, or, failing that, give us a subdomain to work with on our own servers. I think, personally, that we should leave bugs.gentoo.org alone on this one. The devs are likely to think 'wouldn't it be nice if we had this neat web page ... ' doesn't count as a feature enhancement, but rather a _feature_. To that end, I started a gentoo forums post[2] about the topic instead. Make sure to speak up if you want to help! Thanks for reading. [1] email to [EMAIL PROTECTED],canonical}.com My attention has recently been drawn to brainstorm.ubuntu.com. What an excellent way to 'socialize' user ideas and feedback! The site got a bit of attention on the gentoo-users mailing list, and the general feeling was that such a site would be greatly beneficial to the community here in gentoo as well. Would you be amenable to the idea of granting us permission to use the site engine? Thank you for your time, Dan Farrell [2] http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-673136.html -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo Brainstorm?
Jerry McBride [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Friday 07 March 2008 10:52:09 am Daniel Beecham wrote: On 3/5/08, Rodrigo Lazo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Have you seen ubuntu brainstorm? http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/ What do you think? Personally I believe is a very good idea and may be worth copying. Regards -- Rodrigo Lazo (rlazo) -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list I too think this is a good idea. I'll be happy to help out on this one. Btw, this is my first mail to this mailinglist - hi! Hi Daniel!, welcome =) The BrainStorm idea is a good one, but it closely resembles the gentoo forums and perhaps a bit like the gentoo wiki too... Heck... if you squint a bit and don't look real close, brainstorm looks a bit like the gentoo bugs site too. Sure Jerry, it's not all that different from the forum or bugzilla but it's somehow more accesible. I consider the brainstorm site it more like a shortcut than a brand-new never-seen idea. You may use any of the other (wiki, bugs, forum) to do this but it's not as visible as a exclusive site. The real question may be, does it need so much attention? I think so, because new ideas and a closer relationship between the ideas proposed and the users are very important. Probably a good place for this to land is in the wiki... Call it my wish list (sorry) or something else though. Also, if the gentoo version closely copies the Ubunt BrainStorm, it desperately needs a better indexing method, other than offering pages and pages of unknown topics that you must page through to find something useful... Yeah, it's seems like the first steps will be totally community-driven (as the wiki AFAIK). I'm trying to get in touch with the ubuntu guys that run the site to learn from their mistakes ;) I'll let you know of any progress on this. If somebody is interested on reading a post I made about this on my blog here is the link http://rlazo.supersized.org/archives/60-Gentoo-Brainstorm-born-maybe-not-so-dead.html Best regards -- Rodrigo Lazo (rlazo) -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo Brainstorm?
Seems like Gentoo brainstorm won't happen http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=212527 -- Rodrigo Lazo (rlazo) -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo Brainstorm?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Rodrigo Lazo wrote: | Seems like Gentoo brainstorm won't happen | | http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=212527 Doesn't sound like a Gentoo as a whole answer to me. The community is Gentoo. Gentoo is the community. I've re-opened the bug. All people that think this is necessary, or not [of course], GO THERE AND MAKE A COMMENT. - -- Arturo Buanzo Busleiman Reliable inter-continental Mail Relay Service - Ask me! Independent Security Consultant - SANS - OISSG http://www.buanzo.com.ar/pro/ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFH0HC9AlpOsGhXcE0RClSfAJ9YHyyh8HNDUdTk8yeUWljQjB6Y8ACaAlV5 5fTNXl8cgSFdCnYccbk9fDs= =2poe -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo Brainstorm?
On Thu, Mar 6, 2008 at 5:31 PM, Arturo 'Buanzo' Busleiman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Rodrigo Lazo wrote: | Seems like Gentoo brainstorm won't happen | | http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=212527 Doesn't sound like a Gentoo as a whole answer to me. The community is Gentoo. Gentoo is the community. I've re-opened the bug. All people that think this is necessary, or not [of course], GO THERE AND MAKE A COMMENT. I am of the opinion that opening a bug is not the right way to go about this. First, it is not critical. And second someone who really wants the brainstorm should code up the infrastructure and then maybe open a bug to get their work into Gentoo. I have already suggested to a friend to submit a GSoC proposal to implement a Gentoo version of brainstorm. - -- Arturo Buanzo Busleiman Reliable inter-continental Mail Relay Service - Ask me! Independent Security Consultant - SANS - OISSG http://www.buanzo.com.ar/pro/ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFH0HC9AlpOsGhXcE0RClSfAJ9YHyyh8HNDUdTk8yeUWljQjB6Y8ACaAlV5 5fTNXl8cgSFdCnYccbk9fDs= =2poe -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo Brainstorm?
Andrey Falko [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Thu, Mar 6, 2008 at 5:31 PM, Arturo 'Buanzo' Busleiman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Rodrigo Lazo wrote: | Seems like Gentoo brainstorm won't happen | | http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=212527 Doesn't sound like a Gentoo as a whole answer to me. The community is Gentoo. Gentoo is the community. I've re-opened the bug. All people that think this is necessary, or not [of course], GO THERE AND MAKE A COMMENT. I am of the opinion that opening a bug is not the right way to go about this. First, it is not critical. And second someone who really wants the brainstorm should code up the infrastructure and then maybe open a bug to get their work into Gentoo. As I commented on the bug report... all the work need would be port the ubuntu's app into Gentoo's look and feel. As the idea is to make the developers and the users work together on this brainstorm is important to convince the developers that it will payoff. As a side note, bugzilla is not only for bugs but also for enhancement proposals. Regards -- Rodrigo Lazo (rlazo) -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo Brainstorm?
On Thu, 2008-03-06 at 17:58 -0500, Rodrigo Lazo wrote: Andrey Falko [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Thu, Mar 6, 2008 at 5:31 PM, Arturo 'Buanzo' Busleiman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rodrigo Lazo wrote: | Seems like Gentoo brainstorm won't happen | | http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=212527 Doesn't sound like a Gentoo as a whole answer to me. The community is Gentoo. Gentoo is the community. I've re-opened the bug. All people that think this is necessary, or not [of course], GO THERE AND MAKE A COMMENT. I don't necessarily think a whole lot of me too's will help. I am of the opinion that opening a bug is not the right way to go about this. First, it is not critical. And second someone who really wants the brainstorm should code up the infrastructure and then maybe open a bug to get their work into Gentoo. As I commented on the bug report... all the work need would be port the ubuntu's app into Gentoo's look and feel. As the idea is to make the developers and the users work together on this brainstorm is important to convince the developers that it will payoff. As a side note, bugzilla is not only for bugs but also for enhancement proposals. I think that if you want to carry the idea a bit further (and don't give up just because the bug was closed) that you should solicit some help first - perhaps from gentoo-user, gentoo-dev and the forums. Secondly get a bit of a specification together that describes exactly what and why, covers some technical questions, and maybe the implementation. Then take it back to gentoo-dev and say here's the idea, here's the details, here's how it can work. Then you may get it happening for real. Remember whatever you want form the brainstorm (eg. popular features implemented) won't happen if the developers feel like it's full of demands and unreasonable expectations. I can tell you now some will like it and some won't from the start. However, if only a few devs frequently monitor it at the start, it will still be a good indication of the communities feeling. There will be lots of silent watchers. Done right I think it could be very useful. I especially like how a lot of brainstorm ideas about brainstorm itself have already been implemented, making the tool better by using the tool! http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/category/11 cya, -- Iain Buchanan iaindb at netspace dot net dot au [A computer is] like an Old Testament god, with a lot of rules and no mercy. -- Joseph Campbell -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo Brainstorm?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Iain Buchanan wrote: | On Thu, 2008-03-06 at 17:58 -0500, Rodrigo Lazo wrote: | Andrey Falko [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: | | On Thu, Mar 6, 2008 at 5:31 PM, Arturo 'Buanzo' Busleiman | [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | Rodrigo Lazo wrote: | | Seems like Gentoo brainstorm won't happen | | | | http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=212527 | | Doesn't sound like a Gentoo as a whole answer to me. The | community is Gentoo. Gentoo is the community. | I've re-opened the bug. All people that think this is necessary, | or not [of course], GO THERE AND | MAKE A COMMENT. | | I don't necessarily think a whole lot of me too's will help. | | I am of the opinion that opening a bug is not the right way to go | about this. First, it is not critical. And second someone who really | wants the brainstorm should code up the infrastructure and then maybe | open a bug to get their work into Gentoo. | As I commented on the bug report... all the work need would be port | the ubuntu's app into Gentoo's look and feel. As the idea is to make | the developers and the users work together on this brainstorm is | important to convince the developers that it will payoff. | | As a side note, bugzilla is not only for bugs but also for | enhancement proposals. | | I think that if you want to carry the idea a bit further (and don't give | up just because the bug was closed) that you should solicit some help | first - perhaps from gentoo-user, gentoo-dev and the forums. | | Secondly get a bit of a specification together that describes exactly | what and why, covers some technical questions, and maybe the | implementation. | | Then take it back to gentoo-dev and say here's the idea, here's the | details, here's how it can work. Then you may get it happening for | real. Remember whatever you want form the brainstorm (eg. popular | features implemented) won't happen if the developers feel like it's full | of demands and unreasonable expectations. | | I can tell you now some will like it and some won't from the start. | However, if only a few devs frequently monitor it at the start, it will | still be a good indication of the communities feeling. There will be | lots of silent watchers. Done right I think it could be very useful. | | I especially like how a lot of brainstorm ideas about brainstorm itself | have already been implemented, making the tool better by using the tool! | http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/category/11 | | cya, One other thing that may be good, is someone to donate resources if need be to get the project off the ground. Us doing all the technical footwork, means very little if there is no practical application in place, something tangible to look at and evaluate. If we're going to commit to this, then we may as well go as far as we can with it, till it looks so impressive and awe-inspiring that we can't help but be flocked to, like gentoo-wiki and the forums. When I help new users into the world of Linux and Gentoo, I tell them, there are three things you should book mark, and visit frequently, gentoo.com, gentoo-wiki.com and forums.gentoo.org, why shouldn't this be any different. Chris -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.7 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFH0Jsk8hUIAnGfls4RAigfAJ9cPM8YFoESBIitSOED9u9Y9pPoMQCdFKaW oiH82zn/OUOMNEgVlP6JaZ0= =HTzJ -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
