Re: [OT] Re: [gentoo-user] Cannot see Grub menu
On Tue, 14 Aug 2012 01:16:05 +0100, Peter Humphrey wrote: ...unlike grocers' apostrophe's, which crop up everywhere and are far more grating for me. Agreed, except that I think you mean greengrocers'. Both are valid. Greengrocers' is the more common, grocers' is shorter. When you are paid by the word, the difference is important :) I also find that commas seem to be thrown at random into a piece of prose in the apparent hope that a few will land where they might do some good. I know what you mean, but that is more a matter of style than rules. I have been criticised by editors for using too many and too few. Even Penrose is sometimes guilty of that. And don't start me on the egregious Oxford comma. I wouldn't dare. Nor on the German insistence on separating the verb from the object with a comma, as though the action could proceed without something to act on. Different language, different rules. Put another way, I don't speak German so I don't care :) -- Neil Bothwick Cross a tagline and a tribble? You get a full HD... signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Cannot see Grub menu
On Mon, 13 Aug 2012 02:43:44 +0100, Peter Humphrey wrote: It's easy enough: its = belonging to it; it's = it is/was/has. The apostrophe denotes a missing letter or two, not possession. The confusion arises because, when used with a name, an apostrophe is needed for a possessive. Of course, if you refer to everyone as it, the confusion disappears :) It is an understandable error, unlike grocers' apostrophe's, which crop up everywhere and are far more grating for me. -- Neil Bothwick Don't let your mind wander, it's too little to be let out alone. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Cannot see Grub menu
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 12.08.2012 05:10, Dale wrote: Mark Knecht wrote: All of that is the OS, not grub which is in the MBR I think. emerge grub-static and then do the install as per the boot loader instructions in the manual. It will likely work fine then. Good luck. When I did my install, I used grub-static too. I never tried the plain one but was told it could have issues with 64 bit. OP. The config files should be fine as far as using the old ones. Just run the install commands again. You know, grub, root, setup etc. Dale :-) :-) As far as I recall the issues are with 64 bit nomultilib only. I think I used grub-legacy on amd64 multilib without issues, though I'm not sure since I use grub2 since 1.98 came out (without issues, by the way) WKR Hinnerk -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.19 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJQKMZwAAoJEJwwOFaNFkYc3bQIAM8QxtfGR4+wjvJsnTw4Bw32 gPCZxp8UwNfydmO64IM/7INw6gwCbi7LWaleiuh+pDDWWKBLze4zGwtuY7BU4/TU +RTr03ckTSBy/neKgJUmFA3D+wuBQtb+f0Hayd5iWybzWNRcMwhfhAKvYTB/xeVX 6kCFPtMcDWsMkU8kpqsZEUr6q1PFqmxmcgpGRoRE3EO0i5uf3bFyyQa+TIbhAjoF 3a+AtmsRgBKONP8DGDkF1al8xZiPHreYGGoDKh+9MVytil8mbeea9GhLRXsiPuDw YCHLkhsH0A6duVOkJ4r4scCB2iU0sJXVFgTn9dfxXpNj6iCnu2a8rFe6rYzvwec= =W8iT -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: [gentoo-user] Cannot see Grub menu
As far as I recall the issues are with 64 bit nomultilib only. I think I used grub-legacy on amd64 multilib without issues, though I'm not sure since I use grub2 since 1.98 came out (without issues, by the way) You are correct. On a no-multilib 64 bit system you cannot compile grub:1 - you must use grub-static or grub:2
Re: [gentoo-user] Cannot see Grub menu
On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 09:03:38AM +0100, Neil Bothwick wrote: On Mon, 13 Aug 2012 02:43:44 +0100, Peter Humphrey wrote: It's easy enough: its = belonging to it; it's = it is/was/has. The apostrophe denotes a missing letter or two, not possession. The confusion arises because, when used with a name, an apostrophe is needed for a possessive. Of course, if you refer to everyone as it, the confusion disappears :) The proper posessive analogy here would be “her” and, of course, “his”. I guess the only reason why I'm so observant of such things is because I had to learn it from scratch starting at about 12 at school. Native speakers do as they are used to from earliest childhood. It wasn't different with me and my native tongue. $deiety, when I look at the stuff that I wrote as a child… -- Gruß | Greetings | Qapla' Please do not share anything from, with or about me with any Facebook service. Signatures are being revised, we apologise for any inconvenience.
Re: [gentoo-user] Cannot see Grub menu
On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 06:14:11PM -0500, Dale wrote: I have always used GRUB splashimage without genkernel and without anything special to get it going other than the correct path in /boot/grub/grub.conf; e.g. default 0 timeout 30 splashimage=(hd0,9)/boot/grub/splash.xpm.gz That's the way I used to too also. Very strange this all... Just a thought. Could it be that the text and the background is the same color? If you put white text on a white background, all you see is white which looks blank, empty or whatever you want to call it. No, because the original text “Loading Grub from Harddisk” and “Loading stage 1.5” don’t disappear. But you know what -- I just tested again in qemu (to read the text output so that I can write it here). And lo!, the menu finally appeared. Let’s see then what the next reboot will bring. -- Gruß | Greetings | Qapla' Please do not share anything from, with or about me with any Facebook service. The duration of a minute is relative. It depends on the side of the toilet door you are standing on. pgpqi78JVIyPa.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Cannot see Grub menu
On Monday 13 Aug 2012 18:46:22 Frank Steinmetzger wrote: On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 06:14:11PM -0500, Dale wrote: Just a thought. Could it be that the text and the background is the same color? If you put white text on a white background, all you see is white which looks blank, empty or whatever you want to call it. No, because the original text “Loading Grub from Harddisk” and “Loading stage 1.5” don’t disappear. But you know what -- I just tested again in qemu (to read the text output so that I can write it here). And lo!, the menu finally appeared. Let’s see then what the next reboot will bring. What, without changing anything in your system? O_o Could it be a hardware problem then? -- Regards, Mick signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
[OT] Re: [gentoo-user] Cannot see Grub menu
On Monday 13 August 2012 09:03:38 Neil Bothwick wrote: The confusion arises because, when used with a name, an apostrophe is needed for a possessive. The confusion arises because the apostrophe has two functions, which collide in its/it's. Who can tell /a priori/ which applies in any given case? You just have to know. There's no substitute for a decent education. It is an understandable error... Indeed, which is why I don't usually rise to any particular bait. ...unlike grocers' apostrophe's, which crop up everywhere and are far more grating for me. Agreed, except that I think you mean greengrocers'. I also find that commas seem to be thrown at random into a piece of prose in the apparent hope that a few will land where they might do some good. Even Penrose is sometimes guilty of that. And don't start me on the egregious Oxford comma. Nor on the German insistence on separating the verb from the object with a comma, as though the action could proceed without something to act on. Even worse is the developing inability to distinguish between singular and plural. Not only that but the growing use of stuff shows an inability to distinguish even between what can be counted (number) and what can't (amount). I could find myself in despair if I weren't careful. -- Rgds Peter
Re: [gentoo-user] Cannot see Grub menu
Frank Steinmetzger writes: So after the recent thread here about 32bit/64bit and some arguments from a friend, I made the switch from 32 bit to 64 bit (with a clean install from scratch of course). There’s one big problem I’m having: I cannot see the Grub (legacy) boot menu. It still functions alright, but I don’t see it. Weird, I have no idea. Just want to say that I am using legacy Grub on ~amd64 just fine. Not grub-static, and the static USE flag is not set. Never had a problem with that. Do you use a splashimage in your grub.conf? Maybe without you will get a working text mode Grub. Not that this should matter, but anyway. Wonko
Re: [gentoo-user] Cannot see Grub menu
On Sun, 12 Aug 2012 11:47:36 +0200 Alex Schuster wo...@wonkology.org wrote: Frank Steinmetzger writes: So after the recent thread here about 32bit/64bit and some arguments from a friend, I made the switch from 32 bit to 64 bit (with a clean install from scratch of course). There’s one big problem I’m having: I cannot see the Grub (legacy) boot menu. It still functions alright, but I don’t see it. Weird, I have no idea. Just want to say that I am using legacy Grub on ~amd64 just fine. Not grub-static, and the static USE flag is not set. Never had a problem with that. Do you use a splashimage in your grub.conf? Maybe without you will get a working text mode Grub. Not that this should matter, but anyway. That's how I do it too. Plain old grub on many amd64 systems, nothing special. I do disable splashimage too, it never seems to work for me without using genkernel. When grub is running and showing it's menu, the only thing active video-wise should be good old VGA. Hard to imagine what could go wrong with VGA in 80x25 text mode -- Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com
Re: [gentoo-user] Cannot see Grub menu
On Sunday 12 Aug 2012 11:01:59 Alan McKinnon wrote: On Sun, 12 Aug 2012 11:47:36 +0200 Alex Schuster wo...@wonkology.org wrote: Frank Steinmetzger writes: So after the recent thread here about 32bit/64bit and some arguments from a friend, I made the switch from 32 bit to 64 bit (with a clean install from scratch of course). There’s one big problem I’m having: I cannot see the Grub (legacy) boot menu. It still functions alright, but I don’t see it. Weird, I have no idea. Just want to say that I am using legacy Grub on ~amd64 just fine. Not grub-static, and the static USE flag is not set. Never had a problem with that. Do you use a splashimage in your grub.conf? Maybe without you will get a working text mode Grub. Not that this should matter, but anyway. That's how I do it too. Plain old grub on many amd64 systems, nothing special. I do disable splashimage too, it never seems to work for me without using genkernel. When grub is running and showing it's menu, the only thing active video-wise should be good old VGA. Hard to imagine what could go wrong with VGA in 80x25 text mode I have always used GRUB splashimage without genkernel and without anything special to get it going other than the correct path in /boot/grub/grub.conf; e.g. default 0 timeout 30 splashimage=(hd0,9)/boot/grub/splash.xpm.gz -- Regards, Mick signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] Cannot see Grub menu
On Sat, Aug 11, 2012 at 8:09 PM, Frank Steinmetzger war...@gmx.de wrote: [snip] PS @Michael Mol: it is nice for you that you joined Google+ recently, but are you aware that they scanned your address book and spammed around about it? There are some of us who don’t want to be part of any social moloch. No, they didn't crawl my address book, or do anything of the sort. On Google+, I follow people who I believe (or at least suspect) to be intelligent or knowledgeable in technical fields. That includes everyone on the gentoo-user and gentoo-dev mailing lists; you folks are among the highest grade of computer and software geeks I've come across. In the GMail web interface, there's a pane on the right which shows people involved in the conversation. While reading Gentoo-related threads, if I see people listed there that I haven't added to my 'Technical folk' circle, I add them. I _thought_ it was only showing people who already had Google accounts. Apparently, that last presumption isn't true...and as a consequence, when I add people to my list-of-people-to-watch, Google sends them an invite if they don't already have Google accounts. Apologies for any spam, but understand that I have no clear way of knowing whether or not someone has a Google+ account before I add them; people who don't have them simply show up as 'this person hasn't shared anything with you.' -- :wq
Re: [gentoo-user] Cannot see Grub menu
On Sunday 12 Aug 2012 19:52:26 Michael Mol wrote: On Sat, Aug 11, 2012 at 8:09 PM, Frank Steinmetzger war...@gmx.de wrote: [snip] PS @Michael Mol: it is nice for you that you joined Google+ recently, but are you aware that they scanned your address book and spammed around about it? There are some of us who don’t want to be part of any social moloch. No, they didn't crawl my address book, or do anything of the sort. On Google+, I follow people who I believe (or at least suspect) to be intelligent or knowledgeable in technical fields. That includes everyone on the gentoo-user and gentoo-dev mailing lists; you folks are among the highest grade of computer and software geeks I've come across. In the GMail web interface, there's a pane on the right which shows people involved in the conversation. While reading Gentoo-related threads, if I see people listed there that I haven't added to my 'Technical folk' circle, I add them. I _thought_ it was only showing people who already had Google accounts. Apparently, that last presumption isn't true...and as a consequence, when I add people to my list-of-people-to-watch, Google sends them an invite if they don't already have Google accounts. Apologies for any spam, but understand that I have no clear way of knowing whether or not someone has a Google+ account before I add them; people who don't have them simply show up as 'this person hasn't shared anything with you.' When I received your Google+ invite I thought that Google was taking liberties with your actual intentions and spamming your contacts perhaps. I do have and use a gmail account for this list, but I do not (knowingly) partake in social websites like Google+, Buzz, Facebook Twitter. I also use Gtalk for IM, but as far as I know by using Gmail and Gtalk I am not automatically subscribed to Google+ and the like. PS. What does people to watch do? It sounds rather voyeuristic ... O_o -- Regards, Mick signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] Cannot see Grub menu
On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 3:34 PM, Mick michaelkintz...@gmail.com wrote: On Sunday 12 Aug 2012 19:52:26 Michael Mol wrote: On Sat, Aug 11, 2012 at 8:09 PM, Frank Steinmetzger war...@gmx.de wrote: [snip] PS @Michael Mol: it is nice for you that you joined Google+ recently, but are you aware that they scanned your address book and spammed around about it? There are some of us who don’t want to be part of any social moloch. No, they didn't crawl my address book, or do anything of the sort. On Google+, I follow people who I believe (or at least suspect) to be intelligent or knowledgeable in technical fields. That includes everyone on the gentoo-user and gentoo-dev mailing lists; you folks are among the highest grade of computer and software geeks I've come across. In the GMail web interface, there's a pane on the right which shows people involved in the conversation. While reading Gentoo-related threads, if I see people listed there that I haven't added to my 'Technical folk' circle, I add them. I _thought_ it was only showing people who already had Google accounts. Apparently, that last presumption isn't true...and as a consequence, when I add people to my list-of-people-to-watch, Google sends them an invite if they don't already have Google accounts. Apologies for any spam, but understand that I have no clear way of knowing whether or not someone has a Google+ account before I add them; people who don't have them simply show up as 'this person hasn't shared anything with you.' When I received your Google+ invite I thought that Google was taking liberties with your actual intentions and spamming your contacts perhaps. I do have and use a gmail account for this list, but I do not (knowingly) partake in social websites like Google+, Buzz, Facebook Twitter. I also use Gtalk for IM, but as far as I know by using Gmail and Gtalk I am not automatically subscribed to Google+ and the like. The whole situation is muddy, and I'm not always sure I understand it myself. If you have an account with any Google service, you have a 'Google Account' which you can use to sign into any other Google service. At one point, simply having this account meant you were also on Google+, Google Docs, etc. More recently, though, it seems that a first visit to any of these services is required in order to activate that service on your Google account. (This only became clear to me recently, as a new client uses Google Apps for Domains, which means I now have a Google account for personal use, and a Google account tied to that client. It's strange.) It used to be, you only had a Google account if you had a GMail account...but they've since enabled tying Google accounts to other email addresses. PS. What does people to watch do? It sounds rather voyeuristic ... O_o Here's how I understand it, currently: If you have Google+ enabled on your Google account, just about anything you might do that involves Google becomes eligible for sharing. By default, almost nothing you do is visible to anybody; you have to explicitly make things visible to people, or otherwise modify defaults in settings somewhere. AFAIK, the only things that are public by default are the '+1' buttons sprinkled everywhere, and the 'Like' buttons associated with Youtube videos. Places I frequently see 'share this' options associated with Google are: * Youtube videos * Google Reader (+1 and 'share this' replaced 'like' and 'share with friends') * The + Share box at the top right corner of all Google pages. In short, I only see stuff you guys do if you explicitly choose to make it public. (Or if you create a 'circle' of whitelisted individuals you can make specific things viewable to.) -- :wq
Re: [gentoo-user] Cannot see Grub menu
On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 02:31:07PM +0100, Mick wrote: So after the recent thread here about 32bit/64bit and some arguments from a friend, I made the switch from 32 bit to 64 bit (with a clean install from scratch of course). There’s one big problem I’m having: I cannot see the Grub (legacy) boot menu. It still functions alright, but I don’t see it. […] Do you use a splashimage in your grub.conf? Maybe without you will get a working text mode Grub. Not that this should matter, but anyway. Yes, I used to use a self-made spash image; it shows a Windows-Logo-like stickers saying Windows Vista incapable with a Tux in it. :) Anyways, the file was missing, so I commented out the line, but to no avail. I tried a temporary grub.conf with the bare essentials (just one entry), and it didn't help either. Booting the same disk in qemu yields the same thing. So I gather it must be some borkage in grub itself. Perhaps I could try an older version, there are so many available right now. When grub is running and showing it's menu, the only thing active ---^ *cough* *wink wink* I have always used GRUB splashimage without genkernel and without anything special to get it going other than the correct path in /boot/grub/grub.conf; e.g. default 0 timeout 30 splashimage=(hd0,9)/boot/grub/splash.xpm.gz That's the way I used to too also. Very strange this all... -- Gruß | Greetings | Qapla' Please do not share anything from, with or about me with any Facebook service. Feed your children with garlic, then you will find them in the dark.
Re: [gentoo-user] Cannot see Grub menu
On Mon, 13 Aug 2012 00:52:32 +0200 Frank Steinmetzger war...@gmx.de wrote: When grub is running and showing it's menu, the only thing active ---^ *cough* *wink wink* blush damn, I got that one the wrong way round. again. /blush -- Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com
Re: [gentoo-user] Cannot see Grub menu
Frank Steinmetzger wrote: On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 02:31:07PM +0100, Mick wrote: So after the recent thread here about 32bit/64bit and some arguments from a friend, I made the switch from 32 bit to 64 bit (with a clean install from scratch of course). There’s one big problem I’m having: I cannot see the Grub (legacy) boot menu. It still functions alright, but I don’t see it. […] Do you use a splashimage in your grub.conf? Maybe without you will get a working text mode Grub. Not that this should matter, but anyway. Yes, I used to use a self-made spash image; it shows a Windows-Logo-like stickers saying Windows Vista incapable with a Tux in it. :) Anyways, the file was missing, so I commented out the line, but to no avail. I tried a temporary grub.conf with the bare essentials (just one entry), and it didn't help either. Booting the same disk in qemu yields the same thing. So I gather it must be some borkage in grub itself. Perhaps I could try an older version, there are so many available right now. When grub is running and showing it's menu, the only thing active ---^ *cough* *wink wink* I have always used GRUB splashimage without genkernel and without anything special to get it going other than the correct path in /boot/grub/grub.conf; e.g. default 0 timeout 30 splashimage=(hd0,9)/boot/grub/splash.xpm.gz That's the way I used to too also. Very strange this all... Just a thought. Could it be that the text and the background is the same color? If you put white text on a white background, all you see is white which looks blank, empty or whatever you want to call it. Otherwise, I'm clueless. It's OK. I'm used to being clueless. lol Dale :-) :-) -- I am only responsible for what I said ... Not for what you understood or how you interpreted my words!
Re: [gentoo-user] Cannot see Grub menu
On Monday 13 August 2012 00:08:16 Alan McKinnon wrote: On Mon, 13 Aug 2012 00:52:32 +0200 Frank Steinmetzger war...@gmx.de wrote: When grub is running and showing it's menu, the only thing active ---^ *cough* *wink wink* damn, I got that one the wrong way round. again. It's easy enough: its = belonging to it; it's = it is/was/has. The apostrophe denotes a missing letter or two, not possession. Hmm. Maybe it isn't so simple after all if you don't know it. It just seems simple to me since it's what I was taught 60-odd years ago and it's stuck. It seems to me that most people (especially those not of these shores) use it's in every case, just in case. If you see what I mean. -- Rgds Peter
[gentoo-user] Cannot see Grub menu
Hi there So after the recent thread here about 32bit/64bit and some arguments from a friend, I made the switch from 32 bit to 64 bit (with a clean install from scratch of course). There’s one big problem I’m having: I cannot see the Grub (legacy) boot menu. It still functions alright, but I don’t see it. When I switch on the machine, after POST I see the loading grub and stage 1.5 message, but then the screen isn’t updated. I can still do my selection and press Enter, and then I see the loading kernel... message without a clearing of the screen first. Any idea what this is? I re-installed Grub and did grub’s own setup procedure, and all files in /boot/grub are from the time of the last emerge. Happy remaining weekend. PS @Michael Mol: it is nice for you that you joined Google+ recently, but are you aware that they scanned your address book and spammed around about it? There are some of us who don’t want to be part of any social moloch. -- Gruß | Greetings | Qapla' Please do not share anything from, with or about me with any Facebook service. Size alone is not decicive: a bee collects more honey in one day than an Elephant does in its entire life. pgp5Ob285XACt.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Cannot see Grub menu
From Kindle so very short response for now. 1) Was this disk previously used for 32-bit? 2) For 64-bit I've always used grub-static.
Re: [gentoo-user] Cannot see Grub menu
On Sat, Aug 11, 2012 at 06:33:03PM -0700, Mark Knecht wrote: From Kindle so very short response for now. 1) Was this disk previously used for 32-bit? Yup. Well, I installed the 64 bit into a temporary partition that I created, so I still had the working 32 bit system in case something goes wrong (and to do some performance comparisons). At some point, I reformatted the 32 bit partition and rsynced the 64 bit over. -- Gruß | Greetings | Qapla' Please do not share anything from, with or about me with any Facebook service. The whale is known for its bulky form factor. pgpvlrYih9Wjl.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Cannot see Grub menu
All of that is the OS, not grub which is in the MBR I think. emerge grub-static and then do the install as per the boot loader instructions in the manual. It will likely work fine then. Good luck.
Re: [gentoo-user] Cannot see Grub menu
Mark Knecht wrote: All of that is the OS, not grub which is in the MBR I think. emerge grub-static and then do the install as per the boot loader instructions in the manual. It will likely work fine then. Good luck. When I did my install, I used grub-static too. I never tried the plain one but was told it could have issues with 64 bit. OP. The config files should be fine as far as using the old ones. Just run the install commands again. You know, grub, root, setup etc. Dale :-) :-) -- I am only responsible for what I said ... Not for what you understood or how you interpreted my words!
