Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Picking out a printer. Questions.

[Dale]

Adam Carter wrote:
>
> But I understand what classes was.  If CIDR replaced the word
> classes, I would have had to google or ask what the heck that
> is.  lol 
>
>
> CIDR moved Internet routing away from fixed 8, 16 and 24 bit
> netmasks. The / representation is CIDR.
>
>
> The C in CIDR is for Classless :) 


And I just googled to find out what the rest stands for.  I get classes
because I understand what classes means, in a lot of contexts.  Until a
moment ago, I had no idea what CIDR was or stood for.  By tomorrow, I
likely would have to google it again.  o_O  Then again, give me a hour
or so.  O_O 

Dale

:-)  :-) 

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Picking out a printer. Questions.

[Adam Carter]

> But I understand what classes was.  If CIDR replaced the word classes, I
>> would have had to google or ask what the heck that is.  lol
>>
>
> CIDR moved Internet routing away from fixed 8, 16 and 24 bit netmasks. The
> / representation is CIDR.
>

The C in CIDR is for Classless :)

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Picking out a printer. Questions.

[Adam Carter]

On Tue, Apr 30, 2019 at 10:29 AM Dale  wrote:

> Adam Carter wrote:
>
> Using classes is pretty old terminology. IETF introduced CIDR in '93! Yes,
> I still catch myself doing it too.
>
>
> But I understand what classes was.  If CIDR replaced the word classes, I
> would have had to google or ask what the heck that is.  lol
>

CIDR moved Internet routing away from fixed 8, 16 and 24 bit netmasks. The
/ representation is CIDR.

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Picking out a printer. Questions.

[Dale]

Adam Carter wrote:
>
>
>   Using classes is pretty old terminology. IETF introduced CIDR in
>   '93! Yes, I still catch myself doing it too.
>

But I understand what classes was.  If CIDR replaced the word classes, I
would have had to google or ask what the heck that is.  lol 

Dale

:-)  :-) 

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Picking out a printer. Questions.

[Adam Carter]

Using classes is pretty old terminology. IETF introduced CIDR in '93! Yes,
I still catch myself doing it too.

[gentoo-user] Re: Picking out a printer. Questions.

[Grant Edwards]

On 2019-04-28, Wols Lists  wrote:
> On 28/04/19 00:37, Dale wrote:
>
>> I'm no networking guru by any stretch, I'm sure others would agree
>> with that, but that's my thinking.  After all, if you have a
>> printer with the same IP, how would it know mine from yours unless
>> it is local only?  From my understanding, 192.168.*.* addresses are
>> always local only IPs.
>
> Google for RFC 1918. There are two other network ranges, one of which is
> 10/8.
>
> The idea is that 192.168/24 gives you 256 class C addresses,

Yes, the entire 192.168.0.0/16 block is non-routable.

> then there's a class B address, can't remember what it is,

172.16.0.0/12 is non-routable and contains 16 contiguous class B
blocks.

> and 10/8 is a class A address.

See also https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Private_network

There's also 169.254.0.0/16 which is a non-routable block for use by
zero-conf et alia.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Picking out a printer. Questions.

[Dale]

Wols Lists wrote:
> On 28/04/19 00:37, Dale wrote:
>> I'm no networking guru by any stretch, I'm sure others would agree with
>> that, but that's my thinking.  After all, if you have a printer with the
>> same IP, how would it know mine from yours unless it is local only? 
>> From my understanding, 192.168.*.* addresses are always local only IPs. 
> Google for RFC 1918. There are two other network ranges, one of which is
> 10/8.
>
> The idea is that 192.168/24 gives you 256 class C addresses, then
> there's a class B address, can't remember what it is, and 10/8 is a
> class A address.
>
> All of these are defined as "not routeable over the public network", so
> any interface between two networks is supposed to drop any such packets.
>
> Cheers,
> Wol
>
>


I thought there was two others but didn't know there was a difference
class wise.  I thought the other started with 10 something but wasn't
sure of the 2nd number since I've never had anything that used it by
default.  No idea what the other one starts with but likely won't even
run into that either. 

I been printing a lot.  So far, so good.  I may need a better hole
puncher now tho.  lol  Also bought a binder to put this stuff into as
well.  It won't take long.  I been accumulating stuff that I need
printed for a decade or so. 

Dale

:-)  :-) 

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Picking out a printer. Questions.

[Wols Lists]

On 28/04/19 00:37, Dale wrote:
> I'm no networking guru by any stretch, I'm sure others would agree with
> that, but that's my thinking.  After all, if you have a printer with the
> same IP, how would it know mine from yours unless it is local only? 
> From my understanding, 192.168.*.* addresses are always local only IPs. 

Google for RFC 1918. There are two other network ranges, one of which is
10/8.

The idea is that 192.168/24 gives you 256 class C addresses, then
there's a class B address, can't remember what it is, and 10/8 is a
class A address.

All of these are defined as "not routeable over the public network", so
any interface between two networks is supposed to drop any such packets.

Cheers,
Wol

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Picking out a printer. Questions.

[Dale]

Manuel McLure wrote:
>
>
> On Sat, Apr 27, 2019 at 2:43 PM Dale  > wrote:
>
> I do have a router, that's what the printer is connected too.  I can't
> recall what it is called but remember the DSL modem is supposed to be
> pretty secure on its own.  I think it can work in bridge mode or
> router/whatever mode.  Now that I think about it, it's in router or
> whatever mode because the login and password goes in the router if
> I put
> the modem in bridge mode.  I put the router in for two reasons.  One,
> sometimes I have a 2nd puter that needs internet access, usually
> when I
> am working on someone else's puter.  2nd, it adds another layer of
> security, I would hope anyway.  I've been using this for a good long
> time and nothing weird has happened, yet anyway.  If my DVD tray
> starts
> sliding in and out, that may require attention.  lol 
>
> I went to a website and got it to test my stuff once.  It said it was
> secure.  It's been a while tho. 
>
>
> Given the fact that your printer got a 192.168.XXX.XXX address, I
> would say there's a 99.999% chance that your router/modem is doing NAT
> and you don't have to worry about it.
> -- 
> Manuel A. McLure WW1FA mailto:man...@mclure.org>>
> 
> ...for in Ulthar, according to an ancient and significant law,
> no man may kill a cat.                       -- H.P. Lovecraft


I'm no networking guru by any stretch, I'm sure others would agree with
that, but that's my thinking.  After all, if you have a printer with the
same IP, how would it know mine from yours unless it is local only? 
>From my understanding, 192.168.*.* addresses are always local only IPs. 

The worst thing that could happen is someone prints stuff until it runs
out of paper if I'm not here or I cut it off if I am here and notice it
printing something that isn't mine.  Surely that printer can't be used
for much else. 

Now to go find those mount and chroot commands for rescuing a failed
Gentoo install and getting those printed out.  I been wanting the
updated version of that for years now. 

Dale

:-)  :-) 

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Picking out a printer. Questions.

[Manuel McLure]

On Sat, Apr 27, 2019 at 2:43 PM Dale  wrote:

> I do have a router, that's what the printer is connected too.  I can't
> recall what it is called but remember the DSL modem is supposed to be
> pretty secure on its own.  I think it can work in bridge mode or
> router/whatever mode.  Now that I think about it, it's in router or
> whatever mode because the login and password goes in the router if I put
> the modem in bridge mode.  I put the router in for two reasons.  One,
> sometimes I have a 2nd puter that needs internet access, usually when I
> am working on someone else's puter.  2nd, it adds another layer of
> security, I would hope anyway.  I've been using this for a good long
> time and nothing weird has happened, yet anyway.  If my DVD tray starts
> sliding in and out, that may require attention.  lol
>
> I went to a website and got it to test my stuff once.  It said it was
> secure.  It's been a while tho.
>

Given the fact that your printer got a 192.168.XXX.XXX address, I would say
there's a 99.999% chance that your router/modem is doing NAT and you don't
have to worry about it.
-- 
Manuel A. McLure WW1FA  
...for in Ulthar, according to an ancient and significant law,
no man may kill a cat.   -- H.P. Lovecraft

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Picking out a printer. Questions.

[Dale]

Frank Steinmetzger wrote:
> On Mon, Apr 22, 2019 at 09:54:21AM -0500, Dale wrote:
>
>> The biggest reason I wanted laser is the cost of ink.  The second
>> reason, longevity of the ink once it is on paper.  From my
>> understanding, once the toner is set on the paper, water won't make it
>> come off like it does on a lot of inkjets, I think a few inkjets have
>> special ink that doesn't but never seen one. 
> Well, I read a short while ago in a printer review of a computer magazine,
> that ink may actually be better in the long-term, because the ink is infused
> into the paper matrix (as a character on Star Trek would say). Whereas laser
> toner is only put on the surface on the paper an could be scratched off
> mechanically. You would need lasting pigments of course, not of the kind
> that fades with time or exposure to light.
>
> FWIW, I have an HP LaserJet 1000, bought around 2004. It has been acting up
> lately, not always getting recognised on USB. The data cable is actually a
> centronics one with built-in USB convertor. And I don’t really like hplip,
> b/c it’s an extra piece of software that needs to run and it ALWAYS wants to
> re-download the binary firmware blob from the internet whenever I connect
> the printer. Otherwise it wouldn’t print. Back when foo2zjs was still a
> common Gentoo way of printing, this was never an issue.
>
> OTOH, the printer is still on the cartridge it originally came with, albeit
> almost empty now. Probably, back then, those cartridges weren’t as empty as
> today’s starter cartridges. What’s the deal with this, anyway.
>
> FWIF2, even though the die is cast and the printer for this thread is
> purchased, I am also considering a Brother machine. I heard good stories of
> their Linux support. I would also tend towards a network-enabled one with
> postscript support.
>


I to was getting tired of the hplip thingy.  It was giving me grief at
times too.  After each upgrade, I had to delete the printer and add it
back again.  Sometimes I had to do that between each print job as well. 
It seems it was always something screwy with that thing.  While I would
have bought a HP, it wasn't my first or second choice.  More like close
to the bottom with the "I'm a piece of known junk printer" brand.  ;-) 
Brother would likely have been my second choice or third, depending on
price.  I've read they print nicely as well. 

I took the test page and put some water drops on it.  I couldn't get the
toner to come off.  I was scratching the paper pretty good but almost
anything would come off that way.  In the past, I've done the same test
on ink jet pages.  They always started to run shortly after getting
wet.  I've read some photo printers don't have that problem because they
have a different type of ink.  The test I ran with this laser print tho
made me happy.  It passed my test easily. 

I'm just hoping I can get at least ten years out of this printer.  20
would make me really happy.  By then, supplies may be a issue too. 

Dale

:-)  :-) 

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Picking out a printer. Questions.

[Frank Steinmetzger]

On Sat, Apr 27, 2019 at 05:21:16PM -0400, Philip Webb wrote:
> 190427 Frank Steinmetzger wrote:
> > On Sat, Apr 27, 2019 at 11:28:05AM -0500, Dale wrote:
> >> I was printing a multi-page recipe and the first page came out,
> >> then it pulled it back in and I was like, what ?
> >> Then it came out again, printed on both sides.
> > What’s the problem with first printing all odd pages,
> > then re-inserting the sheets into the tray and printing all even pages ?
> > Granted, it is a manual hassle,
> > but that’s how I did it for all these years with my olde HP.
> 
> You have to have a  100 %  reliable paper feed :
> if it ever feeds  2  sheets at once, everything thereafter is ruined.

Now that you mention it, I did have issues with that. My solution: I held
the sheets with my hand and only ever let it pull in one at a time. The
biggest documents I printed were musical scores of less than 20 pages, so it
was manageable.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Picking out a printer. Questions.

[Dale]

Grant Edwards wrote:
> On 2019-04-26, Dale  wrote:
>
>> P. S.  Is there anything special I should do to make sure no one can
>> access my printer over the internet and do something bad?  Does the DSL
>> modem and router protect that by default? 
> All the DSL modems I've ever seen were also NAT/router/firewalls, if
> that's the case, you should be OK.  It's _possible_ your modem is a
> bridge not a router/firewall.  If that's the case, then you
> _really_need_ to get a NAT/router/firewall to put between you modem
> and everything else on your network.
>
> --
> Grant
>

I do have a router, that's what the printer is connected too.  I can't
recall what it is called but remember the DSL modem is supposed to be
pretty secure on its own.  I think it can work in bridge mode or
router/whatever mode.  Now that I think about it, it's in router or
whatever mode because the login and password goes in the router if I put
the modem in bridge mode.  I put the router in for two reasons.  One,
sometimes I have a 2nd puter that needs internet access, usually when I
am working on someone else's puter.  2nd, it adds another layer of
security, I would hope anyway.  I've been using this for a good long
time and nothing weird has happened, yet anyway.  If my DVD tray starts
sliding in and out, that may require attention.  lol 

I went to a website and got it to test my stuff once.  It said it was
secure.  It's been a while tho. 

Dale

:-)  :-) 

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Picking out a printer. Questions.

[Dale]

Philip Webb wrote:
> 190427 Frank Steinmetzger wrote:
>> On Sat, Apr 27, 2019 at 11:28:05AM -0500, Dale wrote:
>>> I was printing a multi-page recipe and the first page came out,
>>> then it pulled it back in and I was like, what ?
>>> Then it came out again, printed on both sides.
>> What’s the problem with first printing all odd pages,
>> then re-inserting the sheets into the tray and printing all even pages ?
>> Granted, it is a manual hassle,
>> but that’s how I did it for all these years with my olde HP.
> You have to have a  100 %  reliable paper feed :
> if it ever feeds  2  sheets at once, everything thereafter is ruined.
>


Exactly.  I tried that with my old printers and every time at least one
sheet would fail.  Then you have to print those two sheets again at
least, that is if you caught it and didn't ruin the other sheets as
well.  I may have had it work a few times but generally, I'd end up
wasting more paper trying than I would just printing one side and being
done with it. 

Still a nifty feature especially since it does it automatically.  Sort
of neat watching it spit it out, pull it back in, do the other side and
spit it out again.  lol 

Dale

:-)  :-) 

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Picking out a printer. Questions.

[Philip Webb]

190427 Frank Steinmetzger wrote:
> On Sat, Apr 27, 2019 at 11:28:05AM -0500, Dale wrote:
>> I was printing a multi-page recipe and the first page came out,
>> then it pulled it back in and I was like, what ?
>> Then it came out again, printed on both sides.
> What’s the problem with first printing all odd pages,
> then re-inserting the sheets into the tray and printing all even pages ?
> Granted, it is a manual hassle,
> but that’s how I did it for all these years with my olde HP.

You have to have a  100 %  reliable paper feed :
if it ever feeds  2  sheets at once, everything thereafter is ruined.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Picking out a printer. Questions.

[Frank Steinmetzger]

On Sat, Apr 27, 2019 at 11:28:05AM -0500, Dale wrote:

> One thing that surprised me.  I was printing a multi-page recipe and the
> first page came out, then it pulled it back in and I was like, what? 
> Then it came out again, printed on both sides.  When I realized it was
> printing both sides, which will save a lot of paper and space in my
> binder, I was in love.  I never could get a ink jet printer to do that
> correctly.  ;-) 

What’s the problem with first printing all odd pages, then reinserting the
sheets into the tray and printing all even pages? Granted, it is a manual
hassle, but that’s how I did it for all these years with my olde HP.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Picking out a printer. Questions.

[Frank Steinmetzger]

On Mon, Apr 22, 2019 at 09:54:21AM -0500, Dale wrote:

> The biggest reason I wanted laser is the cost of ink.  The second
> reason, longevity of the ink once it is on paper.  From my
> understanding, once the toner is set on the paper, water won't make it
> come off like it does on a lot of inkjets, I think a few inkjets have
> special ink that doesn't but never seen one. 

Well, I read a short while ago in a printer review of a computer magazine,
that ink may actually be better in the long-term, because the ink is infused
into the paper matrix (as a character on Star Trek would say). Whereas laser
toner is only put on the surface on the paper an could be scratched off
mechanically. You would need lasting pigments of course, not of the kind
that fades with time or exposure to light.

FWIW, I have an HP LaserJet 1000, bought around 2004. It has been acting up
lately, not always getting recognised on USB. The data cable is actually a
centronics one with built-in USB convertor. And I don’t really like hplip,
b/c it’s an extra piece of software that needs to run and it ALWAYS wants to
re-download the binary firmware blob from the internet whenever I connect
the printer. Otherwise it wouldn’t print. Back when foo2zjs was still a
common Gentoo way of printing, this was never an issue.

OTOH, the printer is still on the cartridge it originally came with, albeit
almost empty now. Probably, back then, those cartridges weren’t as empty as
today’s starter cartridges. What’s the deal with this, anyway.

FWIF2, even though the die is cast and the printer for this thread is
purchased, I am also considering a Brother machine. I heard good stories of
their Linux support. I would also tend towards a network-enabled one with
postscript support.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Picking out a printer. Questions.

[Wol's lists]

On 27/04/2019 18:04, Peter Humphrey wrote:

On Saturday, 27 April 2019 16:42:39 BST Wols Lists wrote:



Laser printers cost up front, but once I've paid for this set of
cartridges I'm probably set up for a couple of years. Just don't expect
modern lasers to go on and on, and budget to replace it ... :-)


Not like my old Kyocera, which just keeps soldiering on.

My old QMS only died because I couldn't source any new cartridges :-( 
that was a cheapo printer too but I think the drivers were for Win95, 
says how old it was ...


(It came in two versions, I forked out the extra fiver for PCL support 
over and above WinPrinter.)


Cheers,
Wol

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Picking out a printer. Questions.

[Dale]

Mick wrote:
> On Saturday, 27 April 2019 17:28:05 BST Dale wrote:
>> Mick wrote:
>>> Printers are plug 'n play these days.  There is no manual configuration
>>> needed, unless your PCs and/or router configurations do not use
>>> zeroconf/mDNS.
>> Well, I could access it thorough its web interface but it wouldn't
>> print.  It would say it couldn't find it or something.  After I set up
>> cups as shown below, it printed.  The biggest thing I did different was
>> to put in the IP instead of letting it auto-detect the printer.  In the
>> past, my old HP printers tended to be auto-detected pretty well.  I
>> would just click continue and when done, out came the test page.  This
>> one took a little extra to get it printing. 
> The web interface for the printer should provide some control panel GUI to 
> administer it from, using your browser.  It should show usage stats, how much 
> toner is left, etc.  It should also (hopefully) have a menu to set up admin 
> passwd on.  This is not an interface for you to print with.
>

Yea, I did cut off the wi-fi part.  It wanted to "reboot", so windowsish
isn't it, so I hadn't turned off the SNMP thingy yet.  My sis-n-law's
expansion tank busted so I'm back and forth working on that thing.  I'm
not quite sure yet how I'm going to get the new tank in much less the
old tank out.  I'm pondering that problem. lol  If I get the new one in,
the old one may have to reside on the back of the water heater until it
is time to remove the water heater, no time soon I hope.  The new tank
is a little smaller but rated for what she has.  I'll be praying on one
hand and speaking French on the other, unless it all goes well.  ;-)



>> I've printed several recipes so far and it is printing fine so I guess
>> this is *a* proper way to have it set up. 
> ipp is of course a proper way to print, since the printer is offering this 
> protocol.  It may offer additional protocols/ports to print with, but you 
> found what works anyway.  I sometimes use nmap to find open ports/services/
> protocols a printer uses, but each will require a different URI syntax in 
> CUPS.
>
>

So I got lucky and found the correct way to print.  LOL  That's a
first.  :/ 


>>> Regarding your modem, unless it is NAT-ing fully, like a router would, it
>>> will expose your router to the Internet.  In any case, your router will
>>> isolate WAN-LAN from probing eyes with its NAT - so you should be safe
>>> enough.
>> If I recall correctly, my modem is sort of like a router even tho it
>> only has one connection.  I read that somewhere.
> It probably works on a half-bridge mode.  
>

That sounds familiar.  I read somewhere that it blocks bad things pretty
well but I stuck a router in there since every once in a while I have a
2nd puter plugged in that needs internet. Just makes it a little more
difficult I guess. 


>> Then it came out again, printed on both sides.  When I realized it was
>> printing both sides, which will save a lot of paper and space in my
>> binder, I was in love.  I never could get a ink jet printer to do that
>> correctly.  ;-) 
>>
>> Dale
>>
>> :-)  :-) 
> Sadly mine doesn't, but it weighs less.  ;-)
>


I wasn't expecting it but it she was a nice surprise.  Makes me glad I
didn't switch to some other printer which may not have had that feature. 

Anyway, I'm happy.  I'm printing recipes and such at the moment and no
telling what all else will be printed before it is over.  May print a
photo just to see how well it does.  I think I saw somewhere that it
does 4800 DPI. 

Dale

:-)  :-) 

[gentoo-user] Re: Picking out a printer. Questions.

[Grant Edwards]

On 2019-04-26, Dale  wrote:

> P. S.  Is there anything special I should do to make sure no one can
> access my printer over the internet and do something bad?  Does the DSL
> modem and router protect that by default? 

All the DSL modems I've ever seen were also NAT/router/firewalls, if
that's the case, you should be OK.  It's _possible_ your modem is a
bridge not a router/firewall.  If that's the case, then you
_really_need_ to get a NAT/router/firewall to put between you modem
and everything else on your network.

--
Grant

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Picking out a printer. Questions.

[Mick]

On Saturday, 27 April 2019 17:28:05 BST Dale wrote:
> Mick wrote:

> > Printers are plug 'n play these days.  There is no manual configuration
> > needed, unless your PCs and/or router configurations do not use
> > zeroconf/mDNS.
> Well, I could access it thorough its web interface but it wouldn't
> print.  It would say it couldn't find it or something.  After I set up
> cups as shown below, it printed.  The biggest thing I did different was
> to put in the IP instead of letting it auto-detect the printer.  In the
> past, my old HP printers tended to be auto-detected pretty well.  I
> would just click continue and when done, out came the test page.  This
> one took a little extra to get it printing. 

The web interface for the printer should provide some control panel GUI to 
administer it from, using your browser.  It should show usage stats, how much 
toner is left, etc.  It should also (hopefully) have a menu to set up admin 
passwd on.  This is not an interface for you to print with.


> I've printed several recipes so far and it is printing fine so I guess
> this is *a* proper way to have it set up. 

ipp is of course a proper way to print, since the printer is offering this 
protocol.  It may offer additional protocols/ports to print with, but you 
found what works anyway.  I sometimes use nmap to find open ports/services/
protocols a printer uses, but each will require a different URI syntax in 
CUPS.


> > Regarding your modem, unless it is NAT-ing fully, like a router would, it
> > will expose your router to the Internet.  In any case, your router will
> > isolate WAN-LAN from probing eyes with its NAT - so you should be safe
> > enough.
> If I recall correctly, my modem is sort of like a router even tho it
> only has one connection.  I read that somewhere.

It probably works on a half-bridge mode.  


> Then it came out again, printed on both sides.  When I realized it was
> printing both sides, which will save a lot of paper and space in my
> binder, I was in love.  I never could get a ink jet printer to do that
> correctly.  ;-) 
> 
> Dale
> 
> :-)  :-) 

Sadly mine doesn't, but it weighs less.  ;-)

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Mick

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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Picking out a printer. Questions.

[Peter Humphrey]

On Saturday, 27 April 2019 16:42:39 BST Wols Lists wrote:

> ... And unfortunately, yes, if you want photos then use an ink-jet.

I once found a dye-sublimation printer for photos, but it has two snags: it 
can only print 6x4" and it's Windows only. I still have it in the cupboard, 
ready for eventualities.

--->8

> Laser printers cost up front, but once I've paid for this set of
> cartridges I'm probably set up for a couple of years. Just don't expect
> modern lasers to go on and on, and budget to replace it ... :-)

Not like my old Kyocera, which just keeps soldiering on.

-- 
Regards,
Peter.

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Picking out a printer. Questions.

[Dale]

Wols Lists wrote:
> On 26/04/19 18:00, Dale wrote:
>> Only printed the test pages but they look neato!!!  I hope to give this
>> thing a test drive once I know it is set up correctly.
>>
>> Thanks to all for the help.  This may be the best printer I've ever
>> had.  :-D 
>>
> Just don't expect it to last as long as you hope ... there was a thread
> somewhere recently where they were discussing long-lived printers, and
> it was noticeable that there were almost NO printers mentioned between
> about 5 and 10 years old mentioned. Old printers are tanks that go on
> and on. New ones seem to just about outlast the extended warranty and
> then die.
>
> Covering the same sort of topics as everyone else, but ... inks. A lot
> of modern ink-jet inks are permanent once dried, so they no longer run
> like they once did. They also don't dry up in the cartridge like they
> once did. That doesn't stop them being more expensive than vintage
> champagne! But I would NOT refill toner cartridges myself - buy
> remanufactured ones. Toner is nasty stuff. Think of it as wax - it's
> stuck electrostatically to the paper then melted on. If you spill it it
> makes one heck of a mess - wipe it up with tissue paper and then clean
> it down with COLD water. If you wash your hands in hot water it will
> print onto them ... :-)
>
> Cost - I found a cheap laser printer for £50. I think I did the maths
> and worked out that even if you threw it in the bin after using up the
> starter cartridge, it was cheaper than an equivalent ink-jet! Bear in
> mind that your typical ink-jet cartridge struggles to do a pack (ream)
> of paper, your typical (nowadays) laser cartridge does about a box of
> paper. And unfortunately, yes, if you want photos then use an ink-jet.
> And use the expensive manufacturer inks and paper too ...
>
> Brother printers - that's what my mum uses mostly ...
>
> Usage - a laser should be fine up to a box of paper a month. Sounds like
> you'll be nowhere near that. Just try not to go mad - a boss of mine
> years ago looked at the "X pages per annum" figure for some - they were
> dot-matrix back then - printers we had and said "why are they always
> breaking, we don't do that many pages". I said in response "yep, we
> don't do that many per year, but we do do near enough the entire year's
> allowance over two months!" If you stay under one pack of paper every
> two to three days you'll be fine.
>
> I've always bought "buy X cartridges and get a free printer" jobs
> before, but having recently binned a broken printer along with far too
> many spare cartridges, I've changed tack. I had a b duplex printer,
> along with a colour printer/scanner, and I've now replaced both with a
> powerful little workstation, a M477fdn. Laser colour, duplex print,
> duplex scan. The starter cartridges have lasted about six months,
> including two newsletter print runs (which paid for a new high-capacity
> b cartridge). I now need to replace the colour cartridges, but seeing
> as HP offer a free 3-year warranty provided you only use HP cartridges,
> I'm going to fork out for them. That *should* see out the warranty, and
> at £300 for the printer and £400 for a fresh set of cartridges, that's
> not too bad for three years. Once the warranty's gone, I'll use
> compatibles, and if the printer breaks I'll have saved enough for a new one.
>
> Laser printers cost up front, but once I've paid for this set of
> cartridges I'm probably set up for a couple of years. Just don't expect
> modern lasers to go on and on, and budget to replace it ... :-)
>
> Cheers,
> Wol
>
>



Well, this printer weighs about 50 lbs.  My arthritis is still
complaining about bringing it in.  Should have used something with
wheels.  I had a friend that had a really old mono laser printer and it
was about the same weight wise.  If weight means anything, it should be
built pretty well.  Still, if it lasts me 10 years, it will still be
better deal than those crappy ink jet printers.  Plus, who knows what
printers will be by then.  ;-)

I refilled my friends black toner cartridge a couple times.  If one is
careful and slow, it doesn't make a mess.  I might add, back when I was
working, we had to add toner to our old copiers.  The cartridges were
made to be refilled and I always did my own.  Most everyone else got the
techs to do it, weak little things.  lol  While its been a while, it is
doable.

My last ink jet would not pass the water test.  If I put a drop of water
on the ink, it would run after a few minutes.  I couldn't depend on it. 
I've read that photo printers don't run but they cost more, the printer
and the ink. 

So far, this printer meets and even exceeds my expectation.  When I
realized it does duplex printing, I was in love.  That alone was worth
me getting a laser printer.  I always hated printing on only one side. 

So far, this is the best printer setup I've ever had.  No complaints at
all. 

Dale

:-)  :-) 

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Picking out a printer. Questions.

[Dale]

Mick wrote:
> On Friday, 26 April 2019 18:00:13 BST Dale wrote:
>> Grant Edwards wrote:
>>> On 2019-04-22, Dale  wrote:
 On the question of ethernet. [...] Do I plug the printer into the
 router or do I have to connect it to the puter itself?  I think I
 read somewhere ages ago, on this list most likely, that you plug it
 into the router.
>>> Yes, that's how it's usually done.
>>>
 That way all puters hooked to the router can access it.
>>> Exactly.
>> Picking last reply.  I got the printer, removed all the shipping stuff,
>> did the normal setup and got a test page printed from CUPS, in color. 
>> I'm taking this from the CUPS printer page that shows the connection. 
>> It printed from Kwrite and shows as ready for other programs as well.  I
>> would like someone to confirm that this is the best way to have this set
>> up.  I googled and can't find a howto for this.  Most everything I found
>> referenced .rpm and .deb stuff.
> Printers are plug 'n play these days.  There is no manual configuration 
> needed, unless your PCs and/or router configurations do not use zeroconf/mDNS.

Well, I could access it thorough its web interface but it wouldn't
print.  It would say it couldn't find it or something.  After I set up
cups as shown below, it printed.  The biggest thing I did different was
to put in the IP instead of letting it auto-detect the printer.  In the
past, my old HP printers tended to be auto-detected pretty well.  I
would just click continue and when done, out came the test page.  This
one took a little extra to get it printing. 

I've printed several recipes so far and it is printing fine so I guess
this is *a* proper way to have it set up. 


>
>> Lexmark_C2325dw (Idle, Accepting Jobs, Not Shared)
>> Description:Lexmark International Lexmark C2325dw
>> Location:Local Printer
>> Driver:Lexmark C2300 Series (color, 2-sided printing)
>> Connection:ipp://192.168.2.6
>> Defaults:job-sheets=none, none media=na_letter_8.5x11in
>> sides=two-sided-long-edge
>>
>>
>> The only way I could find to print is using the ipp thingy, at least it
>> was the first way I could print successfully.  Still, is this the proper
>> way? 
> The printer manual should state what protocols it able to communicate over.  
> Failing this, try to login using its web GUI (usually on port 80) with a 
> browser.  There will be some network configuration page where information may 
> be provided on what protocols/ports are available.
>

Found that but didn't help me any.  I tried that after I tried pinging
it and it worked but still wouldn't print.  CUPS wanted to be a bit
stubborn about it.  lol

>> P. S.  Is there anything special I should do to make sure no one can
>> access my printer over the internet and do something bad?  Does the DSL
>> modem and router protect that by default? 
> When you access the printer over its web GUI set up a password - it should 
> probably ask you for it.  In addition, switch off any services you do not 
> use, 
> assuming it offers you such a choice, e.g. SNMP.  Finally, disable the WiFi 
> on 
> the printer, if it offers this option.
>
> Regarding your modem, unless it is NAT-ing fully, like a router would, it 
> will 
> expose your router to the Internet.  In any case, your router will isolate 
> WAN-LAN from probing eyes with its NAT - so you should be safe enough.


If I recall correctly, my modem is sort of like a router even tho it
only has one connection.  I read that somewhere.  During printer setup
on the little display, I told it no wi-fi.  One of these days, I may
start using that router that has wireless.  I did plug it in the other
day and it works.  I found it at a thrift store for $2.98 I think.  It
still had the sticker on it.  lol  I did go turn it off tho.  I guess it
just didn't look for a wi-fi-connection but turned it on anyway. 

One thing that surprised me.  I was printing a multi-page recipe and the
first page came out, then it pulled it back in and I was like, what? 
Then it came out again, printed on both sides.  When I realized it was
printing both sides, which will save a lot of paper and space in my
binder, I was in love.  I never could get a ink jet printer to do that
correctly.  ;-) 

Dale

:-)  :-) 

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Picking out a printer. Questions.

[Wols Lists]

On 26/04/19 18:00, Dale wrote:
> Grant Edwards wrote:
>> On 2019-04-22, Dale  wrote:
>>
>>> On the question of ethernet. [...] Do I plug the printer into the
>>> router or do I have to connect it to the puter itself?  I think I
>>> read somewhere ages ago, on this list most likely, that you plug it
>>> into the router.
>> Yes, that's how it's usually done.
>>
>>> That way all puters hooked to the router can access it.
>> Exactly.
>>
> 
> 
> Picking last reply.  I got the printer, removed all the shipping stuff,
> did the normal setup and got a test page printed from CUPS, in color. 
> I'm taking this from the CUPS printer page that shows the connection. 
> It printed from Kwrite and shows as ready for other programs as well.  I
> would like someone to confirm that this is the best way to have this set
> up.  I googled and can't find a howto for this.  Most everything I found
> referenced .rpm and .deb stuff.
> 
Picking the last reply :-)
> 
> 
> The only way I could find to print is using the ipp thingy, at least it
> was the first way I could print successfully.  Still, is this the proper
> way? 

I believe ipp stands for "Internet Printing Protocol", so although I
might still call it "plug and pRay", I think that is the new modern
standard.
> 
> Oh, it is connected by ethernet to my router.  I figured I would use
> that from the start since I may end up putting my printer in another
> room which would require a longer cable. 
> 
Good call. All my printers are networked. They run (or used to) a small
lpd server in firmware, so in effect they are a "small computer plus
locally attached printer" on your network.

> Only printed the test pages but they look neato!!!  I hope to give this
> thing a test drive once I know it is set up correctly.
> 
> Thanks to all for the help.  This may be the best printer I've ever
> had.  :-D 
> 
Just don't expect it to last as long as you hope ... there was a thread
somewhere recently where they were discussing long-lived printers, and
it was noticeable that there were almost NO printers mentioned between
about 5 and 10 years old mentioned. Old printers are tanks that go on
and on. New ones seem to just about outlast the extended warranty and
then die.

Covering the same sort of topics as everyone else, but ... inks. A lot
of modern ink-jet inks are permanent once dried, so they no longer run
like they once did. They also don't dry up in the cartridge like they
once did. That doesn't stop them being more expensive than vintage
champagne! But I would NOT refill toner cartridges myself - buy
remanufactured ones. Toner is nasty stuff. Think of it as wax - it's
stuck electrostatically to the paper then melted on. If you spill it it
makes one heck of a mess - wipe it up with tissue paper and then clean
it down with COLD water. If you wash your hands in hot water it will
print onto them ... :-)

Cost - I found a cheap laser printer for £50. I think I did the maths
and worked out that even if you threw it in the bin after using up the
starter cartridge, it was cheaper than an equivalent ink-jet! Bear in
mind that your typical ink-jet cartridge struggles to do a pack (ream)
of paper, your typical (nowadays) laser cartridge does about a box of
paper. And unfortunately, yes, if you want photos then use an ink-jet.
And use the expensive manufacturer inks and paper too ...

Brother printers - that's what my mum uses mostly ...

Usage - a laser should be fine up to a box of paper a month. Sounds like
you'll be nowhere near that. Just try not to go mad - a boss of mine
years ago looked at the "X pages per annum" figure for some - they were
dot-matrix back then - printers we had and said "why are they always
breaking, we don't do that many pages". I said in response "yep, we
don't do that many per year, but we do do near enough the entire year's
allowance over two months!" If you stay under one pack of paper every
two to three days you'll be fine.

I've always bought "buy X cartridges and get a free printer" jobs
before, but having recently binned a broken printer along with far too
many spare cartridges, I've changed tack. I had a b duplex printer,
along with a colour printer/scanner, and I've now replaced both with a
powerful little workstation, a M477fdn. Laser colour, duplex print,
duplex scan. The starter cartridges have lasted about six months,
including two newsletter print runs (which paid for a new high-capacity
b cartridge). I now need to replace the colour cartridges, but seeing
as HP offer a free 3-year warranty provided you only use HP cartridges,
I'm going to fork out for them. That *should* see out the warranty, and
at £300 for the printer and £400 for a fresh set of cartridges, that's
not too bad for three years. Once the warranty's gone, I'll use
compatibles, and if the printer breaks I'll have saved enough for a new one.

Laser printers cost up front, but once I've paid for this set of
cartridges I'm probably set up for a couple of years. Just don't expect
modern lasers 

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Picking out a printer. Questions.

[Rich Freeman]

On Sat, Apr 27, 2019 at 6:00 AM Mick  wrote:
>
> Printers are plug 'n play these days.  There is no manual configuration
> needed, unless your PCs and/or router configurations do not use zeroconf/mDNS.
>

I don't think that routers need to do anything to support mDNS - I
think it is purely a P2P sort of thing.  Maybe if the router picks up
on mDNS and runs its own DNS resolver and bridges the two it might add
value, but I doubt that is a normal thing.  I'm not sure if you can
even do that with software on Linux (I mean, it should be possible,
but I don't think it has been implemented and there could be good
reasons not to).

mDNS needs to be supported more on the PC side.  Note that while most
desktop-oriented distros support it by default, it isn't part of the
base Gentoo install (which is fairly minimal).  I don't think the
desktop profile pulls it in either by default (maybe we should think
about changing that).  Getting it running on Gentoo is very simple
though: https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Avahi

-- 
Rich

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Picking out a printer. Questions.

[karl]

Mick:
> On Friday, 26 April 2019 18:00:13 BST Dale wrote:
...
> > Picking last reply.  I got the printer, removed all the shipping stuff,
> > did the normal setup and got a test page printed from CUPS, in color. 
> > I'm taking this from the CUPS printer page that shows the connection. 
> > It printed from Kwrite and shows as ready for other programs as well.  I
> > would like someone to confirm that this is the best way to have this set
> > up.  I googled and can't find a howto for this.  Most everything I found
> > referenced .rpm and .deb stuff.
> 
> Printers are plug 'n play these days.  There is no manual configuration 
> needed,
...

I'd say that a postscript printer with ethernet and a lpr port would
amount to "plug 'n play" in the old days.

...
> > The only way I could find to print is using the ipp thingy, at least it
> > was the first way I could print successfully.  Still, is this the proper
> > way? 
> 
> The printer manual should state what protocols it able to communicate over.  
> Failing this, try to login using its web GUI (usually on port 80) with a 
> browser.  There will be some network configuration page where information may 
> be provided on what protocols/ports are available.
...

The easiest way to know what to expect from the printers network 
connectivity is to look at the spec. page:
 https://www.lexmark.com/en_us/printer/12473/Lexmark-C2325dw#specs

It looks like many (most?) lasers today can use postscript,
lpr and port 9100. So the most basic form of printing would be
nc host 9100 < postscript_file

Regards,
/Karl Hammar

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Picking out a printer. Questions.

[Mick]

On Friday, 26 April 2019 18:00:13 BST Dale wrote:
> Grant Edwards wrote:
> > On 2019-04-22, Dale  wrote:
> >> On the question of ethernet. [...] Do I plug the printer into the
> >> router or do I have to connect it to the puter itself?  I think I
> >> read somewhere ages ago, on this list most likely, that you plug it
> >> into the router.
> > 
> > Yes, that's how it's usually done.
> > 
> >> That way all puters hooked to the router can access it.
> > 
> > Exactly.
> 
> Picking last reply.  I got the printer, removed all the shipping stuff,
> did the normal setup and got a test page printed from CUPS, in color. 
> I'm taking this from the CUPS printer page that shows the connection. 
> It printed from Kwrite and shows as ready for other programs as well.  I
> would like someone to confirm that this is the best way to have this set
> up.  I googled and can't find a howto for this.  Most everything I found
> referenced .rpm and .deb stuff.

Printers are plug 'n play these days.  There is no manual configuration 
needed, unless your PCs and/or router configurations do not use zeroconf/mDNS.


> Lexmark_C2325dw (Idle, Accepting Jobs, Not Shared)
> Description:Lexmark International Lexmark C2325dw
> Location:Local Printer
> Driver:Lexmark C2300 Series (color, 2-sided printing)
> Connection:ipp://192.168.2.6
> Defaults:job-sheets=none, none media=na_letter_8.5x11in
> sides=two-sided-long-edge
> 
> 
> The only way I could find to print is using the ipp thingy, at least it
> was the first way I could print successfully.  Still, is this the proper
> way? 

The printer manual should state what protocols it able to communicate over.  
Failing this, try to login using its web GUI (usually on port 80) with a 
browser.  There will be some network configuration page where information may 
be provided on what protocols/ports are available.


> P. S.  Is there anything special I should do to make sure no one can
> access my printer over the internet and do something bad?  Does the DSL
> modem and router protect that by default? 

When you access the printer over its web GUI set up a password - it should 
probably ask you for it.  In addition, switch off any services you do not use, 
assuming it offers you such a choice, e.g. SNMP.  Finally, disable the WiFi on 
the printer, if it offers this option.

Regarding your modem, unless it is NAT-ing fully, like a router would, it will 
expose your router to the Internet.  In any case, your router will isolate 
WAN-LAN from probing eyes with its NAT - so you should be safe enough.
-- 
Regards,
Mick

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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Picking out a printer. Questions.

[Dale]

Grant Edwards wrote:
> On 2019-04-22, Dale  wrote:
>
>> On the question of ethernet. [...] Do I plug the printer into the
>> router or do I have to connect it to the puter itself?  I think I
>> read somewhere ages ago, on this list most likely, that you plug it
>> into the router.
> Yes, that's how it's usually done.
>
>> That way all puters hooked to the router can access it.
> Exactly.
>


Picking last reply.  I got the printer, removed all the shipping stuff,
did the normal setup and got a test page printed from CUPS, in color. 
I'm taking this from the CUPS printer page that shows the connection. 
It printed from Kwrite and shows as ready for other programs as well.  I
would like someone to confirm that this is the best way to have this set
up.  I googled and can't find a howto for this.  Most everything I found
referenced .rpm and .deb stuff.


Lexmark_C2325dw (Idle, Accepting Jobs, Not Shared)
Description:    Lexmark International Lexmark C2325dw
Location:    Local Printer
Driver:    Lexmark C2300 Series (color, 2-sided printing)
Connection:    ipp://192.168.2.6
Defaults:    job-sheets=none, none media=na_letter_8.5x11in
sides=two-sided-long-edge


The only way I could find to print is using the ipp thingy, at least it
was the first way I could print successfully.  Still, is this the proper
way? 

Oh, it is connected by ethernet to my router.  I figured I would use
that from the start since I may end up putting my printer in another
room which would require a longer cable. 

Only printed the test pages but they look neato!!!  I hope to give this
thing a test drive once I know it is set up correctly.

Thanks to all for the help.  This may be the best printer I've ever
had.  :-D 

Dale

:-)  :-) 

P. S.  Is there anything special I should do to make sure no one can
access my printer over the internet and do something bad?  Does the DSL
modem and router protect that by default? 

[gentoo-user] Re: Picking out a printer. Questions.

[Grant Edwards]

On 2019-04-22, Dale  wrote:

> On the question of ethernet. [...] Do I plug the printer into the
> router or do I have to connect it to the puter itself?  I think I
> read somewhere ages ago, on this list most likely, that you plug it
> into the router.

Yes, that's how it's usually done.

> That way all puters hooked to the router can access it.

Exactly.

-- 
Grant Edwards   grant.b.edwardsYow! My life is a patio
  at   of fun!
  gmail.com

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Picking out a printer. Questions.

[Dale]

Manuel McLure wrote:
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 22, 2019 at 7:54 AM Dale  > wrote:
>
> I ended up ordering that Lexmark C2325dw printer.  Given the price of
> the printer itself and the fact that folks on here said it should
> work,
> and openprinting says it too, I think that is the best printer for
> what
> I need.  It may get a workout the first few months tho. 
>
>
> I'm pretty sure it will work great for you. If you have more that one
> computer, you definitely want to look into connecting it via ethernet
> instead of USB - that way you can share the printer between any of the
> computers that are on the network (Linux, Windows, Mac, even mobile
> devices if you have WiFi) very easily. You could also set up a print
> server using CUPS (I did that many many years ago before I got a
> networked printer) but that's a lot more hassle and requires that the
> computer running the print server be running before you start the print.
> -- 
> Manuel A. McLure WW1FA mailto:man...@mclure.org>>
> 
> ...for in Ulthar, according to an ancient and significant law,
> no man may kill a cat.                       -- H.P. Lovecraft


On the question of ethernet.  I'm almost certain the printer comes with
that port.  I have a router, wired one with no wireless, that I put
between my DSL modem and my puter.  I did that for those occasions I am
working on a friends puter and need internet.  Do I plug the printer
into the router or do I have to connect it to the puter itself?  I think
I read somewhere ages ago, on this list most likely, that you plug it
into the router.  That way all puters hooked to the router can access
it.  I could be wrong tho.  I don't recall ever doing that and it was a
long time ago that I read about it as well.  My router is a older blue
Linksys.  I have a wireless one as a standby in my closet but don't care
much for wireless stuff, to easy to snoop on.  I'm not sure if I ever
plugged it in for testing now that I think about it.  May do that here
in a few. 

I do think it will give me much better service than what I been using. 
Unless it blows up right after the warranty expires, I can't see this
not paying off hugely, not to mention the more dependable ink and such
on top of that.  It took me about a decade or so but I'm finally doing
this right, for the long term.  ;-)

Dale

:-)  :-) 

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Picking out a printer. Questions.

[Manuel McLure]

On Mon, Apr 22, 2019 at 7:54 AM Dale  wrote:

> I ended up ordering that Lexmark C2325dw printer.  Given the price of
> the printer itself and the fact that folks on here said it should work,
> and openprinting says it too, I think that is the best printer for what
> I need.  It may get a workout the first few months tho.
>

I'm pretty sure it will work great for you. If you have more that one
computer, you definitely want to look into connecting it via ethernet
instead of USB - that way you can share the printer between any of the
computers that are on the network (Linux, Windows, Mac, even mobile devices
if you have WiFi) very easily. You could also set up a print server using
CUPS (I did that many many years ago before I got a networked printer) but
that's a lot more hassle and requires that the computer running the print
server be running before you start the print.
-- 
Manuel A. McLure WW1FA  
...for in Ulthar, according to an ancient and significant law,
no man may kill a cat.   -- H.P. Lovecraft

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Picking out a printer. Questions.

[Dale]

Grant Edwards wrote:
> On 2019-04-21, Rich Freeman  wrote:
>> On Sun, Apr 21, 2019 at 6:42 AM Mick  wrote:
>>> A laser printer is *much* more economical to run than inkjets.  The toner
>>> cartridges never dry out - with inkjet you often replace the ink before it 
>>> has
>>> run out, because it has dried out.  Initially you pay more for a laser, but
>>> over the years you will recuperate your investment in lower running costs.
>> You will pay for it VERY quickly.
> I've had my HP LaserJet 1320 for 15 years.  It still works perfectly,
> and I've had to buy one (1) toner cartridge for it.  I shudder at the
> scores of inkjet printers and thousands of dollars in ink cartridges
> my friends have gone through in that time.  It's old enough that it
> has both a Centronics-36 parllel port and a USB port (I actually used
> the parallel port for many years).  Once or twice a year, I wish I
> could print color, but for the most part B/W is all I need.
>


I did the same thing, buying all those inkjet cartridges not to mention
replacing the printer every couple years, I think one last a few years. 
The biggest reason I wanted laser is the cost of ink.  The second
reason, longevity of the ink once it is on paper.  From my
understanding, once the toner is set on the paper, water won't make it
come off like it does on a lot of inkjets, I think a few inkjets have
special ink that doesn't but never seen one. 

If I had the money I spent on all those junky things, I could have
bought the printer and likely three or four sets of cartridges.  Looking
back, how silly is it for a person to do that??

I ended up ordering that Lexmark C2325dw printer.  Given the price of
the printer itself and the fact that folks on here said it should work,
and openprinting says it too, I think that is the best printer for what
I need.  It may get a workout the first few months tho. 

Thanks to all again.

Dale

:-)  :-) 

P. S.  I figured out where I'm going to put this thing.  I'm going to
clean out the corner of my closet and get a small table to set it and
may put my scanner on it too.  It will be out of the way when not in use
but close by plus in a climate controlled environment as well. 

[gentoo-user] Re: Picking out a printer. Questions.

[Grant Edwards]

On 2019-04-21, Rich Freeman  wrote:
> On Sun, Apr 21, 2019 at 6:42 AM Mick  wrote:
>>
>> A laser printer is *much* more economical to run than inkjets.  The toner
>> cartridges never dry out - with inkjet you often replace the ink before it 
>> has
>> run out, because it has dried out.  Initially you pay more for a laser, but
>> over the years you will recuperate your investment in lower running costs.
>
> You will pay for it VERY quickly.

I've had my HP LaserJet 1320 for 15 years.  It still works perfectly,
and I've had to buy one (1) toner cartridge for it.  I shudder at the
scores of inkjet printers and thousands of dollars in ink cartridges
my friends have gone through in that time.  It's old enough that it
has both a Centronics-36 parllel port and a USB port (I actually used
the parallel port for many years).  Once or twice a year, I wish I
could print color, but for the most part B/W is all I need.

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