Re: [gentoo-user] Lost Labyrinth
On Wed, 24 Aug 2005, Uwe Thiem wrote: Folks, we have got computing power on our desks that equals that of a medium sized data centre 10 years ago. Of course, I want the bloody computer and its tools to do all the sidetracking little tasks and concentrate myself on algorithms and data structures and user interfaces. Sure but this is not always a good path to take. There will always be people wanting to drive a 300hp SUV (I prefer the term FUV - Im sure people can figure out what FU means ;-) to pick up groceries at the corner store when really they could walk or ride a bicycle and help save the environment and get some exercise at the same time! -- -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Lost Labyrinth
Hallo, wie Du vielleicht an meiner e-mail erkennst (am Namen) ... meine Muttersprache ist Deutsch. ;-))) Hi, as you possibly recognize by my e-mail (the name) ... my native language is German ;-))) I got a PB installation and there is some doc about the (programming) language in the tar ball. In fact, the syntax: something(x) /anything means an array of structs something where anything is a member of the struct something. THAT was my question. Not at all, thanks. Frank On Tue, 2005-08-23 at 16:47 +0200, Holly Bostick wrote: Frank Schafer schreef: The only thing I don't understand after 5 minutes looking at the code; what means: spieler(i) \Status = 1 I don't know anything about code, but I looked at this and immediately saw spieler = Player in German. Maybe that helps you understand what it's doing. Holly -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Lost Labyrinth
On Wed, 2005-08-24 at 10:13 +0300, Matan Peled wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Frank Schafer wrote: Hmmm, a game IS an application (for gaming purposes) ;-)) Fast scrolling and all of this stuff isn't made by PB but by library routines (SDL on Linux). So every (I mean EVERY) language should handle this if the system does it handle. By the way, we definitely can change the programming language by simple syntax conversion if the original code is proper organized (I did this more than once). A complete rewrite isn't such a big task too. Programming means to describe the whole logic of an application (games too ;). Use structograms, flow charts, petri nets ... as you like. Translating this into a programming Language (C, C++, Pascal, BASIC, Forth, Prolog ...) is pure coding. I remember the time we touched the hardware itself if we did need speed (DOS, was it GEM on the Amiga?, the legendary Spectrum, C64 ...) but I'm skeptic if modern OS will still allow this. 0.02$ Frank And C is EXTREMELY fast. I mean, I'm having real trouble believing that BASIC can be faster than C... Anyway, simple syntax change is not all that needed. You also need to talk to SDL - something I think PureBasic handled previously. I think SDL has an API, don't you think too? ;) - -- [Name ] :: [Matan I. Peled] [Location ] :: [Israel] [Public Key] :: [0xD6F42CA5] [Keyserver ] :: [keyserver.kjsl.com] encrypted/signed plain text preferred -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFDDB4nA7Qvptb0LKURAg3iAJwMbjxdpiIOCW2AETRWoui3UqeyqQCdErRG B289dsEN4ZC1JMHOtZAa7ew= =m9SM -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Lost Labyrinth
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Frank Schafer wrote: I think SDL has an API, don't you think too? ;) Well, of course. But it wasn't used before, rather PureBasic's one was used. Now we need to use that API (Thats what I meant by Talking to SDL...) - -- [Name ] :: [Matan I. Peled] [Location ] :: [Israel] [Public Key] :: [0xD6F42CA5] [Keyserver ] :: [keyserver.kjsl.com] encrypted/signed plain text preferred -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFDDCsnA7Qvptb0LKURAkzEAJ9DFzs6ooCwL9XcC7pUWS9BIDOEpgCdGtVN RWUAxhkhZxxjm4/clhz0eM4= =hpyQ -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Lost Labyrinth
The code I think is not the problem. But I think it is still a lot of work. By the way I don't like C too much (we had a C Version once and only encountered problems all the time :-( Buffer overflows and all this nice stuff is a big problem of this language!) Maybe a C Fan is reading this and likes to do it. I started as a Assembler Programmer on the Atari ST (68000 Rulez!!!) But all this is too much effort. Purebasic has a very syntax and for a basic dialect a very good performance. Am Mittwoch, 24. August 2005 08:39 schrieb Frank Schafer: Hmmm, a game IS an application (for gaming purposes) ;-)) Fast scrolling and all of this stuff isn't made by PB but by library routines (SDL on Linux). So every (I mean EVERY) language should handle this if the system does it handle. By the way, we definitely can change the programming language by simple syntax conversion if the original code is proper organized (I did this more than once). A complete rewrite isn't such a big task too. Programming means to describe the whole logic of an application (games too ;). Use structograms, flow charts, petri nets ... as you like. Translating this into a programming Language (C, C++, Pascal, BASIC, Forth, Prolog ...) is pure coding. I remember the time we touched the hardware itself if we did need speed (DOS, was it GEM on the Amiga?, the legendary Spectrum, C64 ...) but I'm skeptic if modern OS will still allow this. 0.02$ Frank On Tue, 2005-08-23 at 21:31 +0200, Markus Döbele wrote: But this is a game and not an aplication. I need fast scrolling and all this stuff. I don't think this languages can handle that. Am Dienstag, 23. August 2005 09:57 schrieb Heinz Sporn: Am Dienstag, den 23.08.2005, 09:06 +0200 schrieb Markus Döbele: Purebasic is very fast. The generated assembler code kicks ass. And I can compile it for Linux, Mac OS and Windows. If I find a Open Source Basic Compiler that can do the task. I consider rewriting it again. Did you ever look at Gambas? http://gambas.sourceforge.net/ At the moment it's dedicated to X environments with both QT and GTK support but I wouldn't be suprised if they will support Windoze in the future. The IDE itself is very nice and the compiler generates smooth code. It's in Portage BTW. And last but not least they have a very nice community. Another option might be RealBasic http://www.realbasic.com/ . The Current RealBasic version 2005 is commercial, but the older standard version 5.5 for Windows is free. It's a little strange but with that you are able to produce native Linux binaries for a QT environment. We are programming this game since 12 years :-) The first Version we programmed on the Atari ST! :-)) There the language was calles STOS. Am Dienstag, 23. August 2005 08:33 schrieb Frank Schafer: Hi Markus, have you ever wondered about the possibility to rewrite your game to another programming language. There's a lot of possibilities (even for FSF game engines). Just a thought Frank On Mon, 2005-08-22 at 23:42 +0200, Markus Döbele wrote: So we have to treat Lost Labyrinth as closed source. Because the source code of this game is only useful to other purebasic programmers. And people that got the compiler. I understand. Can't change that. Am Montag, 22. August 2005 22:52 schrieb Matan Peled: Markus Döbele wrote: I created a tar.gz Version of this game too. I'm sorry that its not possible to compile it with the demo version of the compiler. What are gentoo users doing with other binary packages? Like Acrobat Reader? Is this a big problem for this system? No, Portage can handle binary apps just fine. We have Java, Unreal Tournament 2k3/2k4, Doom 3, Neverwinter Nights... All kinds of binary-only apps. But all of them are closed-source (Except for the -bin version of some rather big packages, manly to save people the compile time...). It feels kinda wrong to install a binary package of a (small) open-source app on a source-based system... Its also weird having an opensource app that you can only compile using a non-free (as in beer) compiler... -- [Name ] :: [Matan I. Peled] [Location ] :: [Israel] [Public Key] :: [0xD6F42CA5] [Keyserver ] :: [keyserver.kjsl.com] encrypted/signed plain text preferred -- Mit freundlichen Grüßen Heinz Sporn SPORN it-freelancing Mobile: ++43 (0)699 / 127 827 07 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Website: http://www.sporn-it.com Snail: Steyrer Str. 20 A-4540 Bad Hall Austria / Europe -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org
Re: [gentoo-user] Lost Labyrinth
Agreed C IS faster. But no fun at all. Am Mittwoch, 24. August 2005 09:13 schrieb Matan Peled: Frank Schafer wrote: Hmmm, a game IS an application (for gaming purposes) ;-)) Fast scrolling and all of this stuff isn't made by PB but by library routines (SDL on Linux). So every (I mean EVERY) language should handle this if the system does it handle. By the way, we definitely can change the programming language by simple syntax conversion if the original code is proper organized (I did this more than once). A complete rewrite isn't such a big task too. Programming means to describe the whole logic of an application (games too ;). Use structograms, flow charts, petri nets ... as you like. Translating this into a programming Language (C, C++, Pascal, BASIC, Forth, Prolog ...) is pure coding. I remember the time we touched the hardware itself if we did need speed (DOS, was it GEM on the Amiga?, the legendary Spectrum, C64 ...) but I'm skeptic if modern OS will still allow this. 0.02$ Frank And C is EXTREMELY fast. I mean, I'm having real trouble believing that BASIC can be faster than C... Anyway, simple syntax change is not all that needed. You also need to talk to SDL - something I think PureBasic handled previously. -- [Name ] :: [Matan I. Peled] [Location ] :: [Israel] [Public Key] :: [0xD6F42CA5] [Keyserver ] :: [keyserver.kjsl.com] encrypted/signed plain text preferred -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Lost Labyrinth
further questions / info. Seems PureBasic is a direct dependency for all programs compiled with it. They will probably use the shared library which comes with PureBasic. I wonder ... There is a static library amongst the PureBasic binary too. Maybe PureBasic compiles the way VisualBasic up to version 5 did. Making a data block from the source leaving the source itself intact, linking a library with a small starting code (the interpreter) letting the executable interpreting the data block inside itself. ... that would stand for real speed ... interpreting ... Further 0,02$ Frank On Wed, 2005-08-24 at 10:25 +0200, Frank Schafer wrote: right, and that means we have to study PB's syntax ... what I'm doing just now if I have some time. PB itself is probably written in C. A compiler with less than 140kB IMHO isn't written in C++. BTW: Have a look at ``strings pbcompiler | more''! It's VEERY interesting. Seems pbcompiler simply maps BASIC instructions to assembler mnemonics. :-))) On Wed, 2005-08-24 at 11:09 +0300, Matan Peled wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Frank Schafer wrote: I think SDL has an API, don't you think too? ;) Well, of course. But it wasn't used before, rather PureBasic's one was used. Now we need to use that API (Thats what I meant by Talking to SDL...) - -- [Name ] :: [Matan I. Peled] [Location ] :: [Israel] [Public Key] :: [0xD6F42CA5] [Keyserver ] :: [keyserver.kjsl.com] encrypted/signed plain text preferred -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFDDCsnA7Qvptb0LKURAkzEAJ9DFzs6ooCwL9XcC7pUWS9BIDOEpgCdGtVN RWUAxhkhZxxjm4/clhz0eM4= =hpyQ -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Lost Labyrinth
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Markus Döbele wrote: The code I think is not the problem. But I think it is still a lot of work. By the way I don't like C too much (we had a C Version once and only encountered problems all the time :-( Buffer overflows and all this nice stuff is a big problem of this language!) Maybe a C Fan is reading this and likes to do it. I started as a Assembler Programmer on the Atari ST (68000 Rulez!!!) But all this is too much effort. Purebasic has a very syntax and for a basic dialect a very good performance. Well, the code IS the problem. As you see, Nick Rout has already made an ebuild, but the code is a real problem. Lets deal with the most obvious problem with not being able to compile your sourcecode - Archs different than x86. PureBasic seems to be able to compile for Windows, AmigaOS, and Linux/x86. What about Linux/PPC (Linux on Apple) users? Theres quite a few of them. They can't run your game without an emulator... Yes, is pretty low-level, and you have to take care of your own memory... But coming from an assembler you should be used to this, right? Anyway, I can perfectly understand your aversion from C... The best languages to write a cross-platform application with are (I'm probably going to get flamed missing some, but anyway) C, C++, Java, Python, and Perl. Ruling out C (you don't like it), C++ (Too much like C, and we don't need OO anyway), Java (Too bloody slow), we are left with the interpreted languages, Python and Perl. I would suggest Python, as it has a very nice syntax and is quite easy to pick up. Its slower than asm/c, but it may be faster than you expect. Overall, I suggest using C and SDL, coupled with a good debugger (gdb is good, and I hear valgrind is bloody awesome for memory related issues), but if you decide you don't want it, Python is good too. Binary packages are fine, but generally considered to be evil. - -- [Name ] :: [Matan I. Peled] [Location ] :: [Israel] [Public Key] :: [0xD6F42CA5] [Keyserver ] :: [keyserver.kjsl.com] encrypted/signed plain text preferred -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFDDGaVA7Qvptb0LKURAlHvAJ9tEFaTm0Rs2WVnriDRyevdLkoUYACeLIbi fCGHsmiBHmEeBAO5Dvk88kc= =aehh -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Lost Labyrinth
On Wed, 24 Aug 2005, Markus [utf-8] Döbele wrote: The code I think is not the problem. But I think it is still a lot of work. By the way I don't like C too much (we had a C Version once and only encountered problems all the time :-( Buffer overflows and all this nice stuff is a big problem of this language!) You mean it requires understanding pointers and attention to detail? Yes it does. An assembly programmer should find C easy (well I did anyway). I started as a Assembler Programmer on the Atari ST (68000 Rulez!!!) I started on the 6502, then 68000 then 8086... But all this is too much effort. Purebasic has a very syntax and for a basic dialect a very good performance. Shame BBC Basic isn't around anymore - it allowed you to mix assembler and BASIC (and that basic at the time was one of the few that allowed recursion ;-) -- -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Lost Labyrinth
On 24 August 2005 18:34, A. Khattri wrote: On Wed, 24 Aug 2005, Markus [utf-8] Döbele wrote: The code I think is not the problem. But I think it is still a lot of work. By the way I don't like C too much (we had a C Version once and only encountered problems all the time :-( Buffer overflows and all this nice stuff is a big problem of this language!) You mean it requires understanding pointers and attention to detail? Yes it does. An assembly programmer should find C easy (well I did anyway). I started as a Assembler Programmer on the Atari ST (68000 Rulez!!!) I started on the 6502, then 68000 then 8086... Donning my asbestos suit. Cannot resist the flamebait any more. I did assembler for 6502, Z80, 8085,... I am talking about real-world, commercial software with several MB of assembler source. Like software for driverless vehicles buzzing around in real plants among real workers. That said, once man made fire by twisting a little twig between hands while pressing it to some other wood. I prefer matches or a lighter. Even when in the bush, I prefer some fire starters I can buy. Man (actually Woman in most cases) once carried water in calabashes on their heads for miles on end. I prefer pumps and pipes and taps. Programmers once punched their code and their data into punchcards, handed them in to the data centre and hoped all would go well. I prefer editors, IDEs, compilers and linkers. ;-) Folks, we have got computing power on our desks that equals that of a medium sized data centre 10 years ago. Of course, I want the bloody computer and its tools to do all the sidetracking little tasks and concentrate myself on algorithms and data structures and user interfaces. If I could find enough buddies and peers I would do most of my stuff in languages like smalltalk that take care of freeing memory, collecting garbage and such. Again: That said, I still use C/C++ for most of my stuff. In short: Don't scuff someone who tries to avoid the pitfalls of C/C++ by using a language that does all those little things for them. Sure, I wouldn't use any dialect of basic but that is another issue. Uwe (hiding behind his desk) -- 95% of all programmers rate themselves among the top 5% of all software developers. - Linus Torvalds http://www.uwix.iway.na (last updated: 20.06.2004) -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Lost Labyrinth
Okay, I just uploaded the new release to sourceforge. Its version 1.0.2 As always 3 files: binaries as tar.gz, rpm and source as tar.gz. Don't forget to make the highscores.dat writable for the user. And yes, I have to rewrite the waffen (weapons) and zauber (spells) readme's to english. Will do this soon! Am Mittwoch, 24. August 2005 13:41 schrieb Nick Rout: Right Markus I have written an ebuild that installs the package and it works, although I am not sure if its how a pro would have done it. It downloads the compiled version 1.0.0 from sourceforge (can't test it on 1.0.1 or 1.0.2 until you put them on sourceforge.) Once you have done that, and I have tested it, I'll make it available for others to test. Basically it downloads the compiled tarball and installs the executable (laby) and the support files (sounds.pak, highscores.dat, graphics.pak) to /usr/lib/laby/ It puts a script into /usr/games/bin. The script simple cd's to /usr/lib/laby and them executes laby. (It seems to need to be executed from the same directory the support files are in, makes sense really) Comments on my chosen file locations would be appreciated. They are easy enough to change. It also installs the readme.txt to /usr/share/doc/laby-1.0.0 (this is a gentoo standard location for documentation). If people think I should it can also put readme_waffen.txt and readme_zauber.txt into the same place, but as I don't know german i am unsure if they are really helpful, or just take up space :-) On Wed, 2005-08-24 at 20:49 +1200, Nick Rout wrote: Markus, you just keep working on the program and make sure you upload it to sourceforge, I'll do the ebuilds :-) On Wed, 2005-08-24 at 10:06 +0200, Markus Döbele wrote: Okay, but this means to me that it makes no real difference if I upload it to 2 destinations all the time. I am living in Argentina and my internet connection here is very slow :-( When we have to write a special file (ebuild) anyway so I would suggest to rename the funny name the server is giving us. We just have to insert a variable which contains the actual version. Saves me a lot of time. And I want to concentrate my efforts on making laby better and not other stuff. There is still a lot to to. And I want to beat the Windows version as soon as possible! -- Nick Rout [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Nick Rout [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Lost Labyrinth
On Tue, 2005-08-23 at 17:36 +1200, Nick Rout wrote: On Tue, 2005-08-23 at 17:13 +1200, Nick Rout wrote: Anyway, if you fix the downloading, I will do my best to write you an ebuild. I am half way through it. Oh and perhaps you could explain the rather weird permissions on the files in the tarball, viz: -rw-r--r-- 1 nick users 3809210 Aug 22 14:16 graphics.pak -rwxr-xr-x 1 nick users 446 Aug 22 14:53 highscores.dat -rwxr-xr-x 1 nick users 515804 Aug 22 15:55 laby -rwxr-xr-x 1 nick users1610 Mar 10 2004 laby.xpm -rw-r--r-- 1 nick users4104 Aug 22 15:48 liesmich.txt -rwxr-xr-x 1 nick users3890 Aug 22 15:28 readme.txt -rwxr-xr-x 1 nick users2023 Mar 10 2004 readme_waffen.txt -rwxr-xr-x 1 nick users3197 Aug 18 10:21 readme_zauber.txt -rw-r--r-- 1 nick users 973752 Aug 15 10:29 sounds.pak there is no need for the .txt files to be executable, nor the icon (laby.xpm), nor the highscores (I hope). Every file which comes from Sicromoft (R) Wondies (TM) has execute permission set. That's not an error. Due to Sicromoft this is a FEATURE ;-))) Please advise why these come with the executable permission set, or whether this is just an error? -- Nick Rout [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Lost Labyrinth
Hi Markus, have you ever wondered about the possibility to rewrite your game to another programming language. There's a lot of possibilities (even for FSF game engines). Just a thought Frank On Mon, 2005-08-22 at 23:42 +0200, Markus Döbele wrote: So we have to treat Lost Labyrinth as closed source. Because the source code of this game is only useful to other purebasic programmers. And people that got the compiler. I understand. Can't change that. Am Montag, 22. August 2005 22:52 schrieb Matan Peled: Markus Döbele wrote: I created a tar.gz Version of this game too. I'm sorry that its not possible to compile it with the demo version of the compiler. What are gentoo users doing with other binary packages? Like Acrobat Reader? Is this a big problem for this system? No, Portage can handle binary apps just fine. We have Java, Unreal Tournament 2k3/2k4, Doom 3, Neverwinter Nights... All kinds of binary-only apps. But all of them are closed-source (Except for the -bin version of some rather big packages, manly to save people the compile time...). It feels kinda wrong to install a binary package of a (small) open-source app on a source-based system... Its also weird having an opensource app that you can only compile using a non-free (as in beer) compiler... -- [Name ] :: [Matan I. Peled] [Location ] :: [Israel] [Public Key] :: [0xD6F42CA5] [Keyserver ] :: [keyserver.kjsl.com] encrypted/signed plain text preferred -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Lost Labyrinth
You are right. Thats a feature! I will get gid of it! :-) Am Dienstag, 23. August 2005 08:31 schrieb Frank Schafer: On Tue, 2005-08-23 at 17:36 +1200, Nick Rout wrote: On Tue, 2005-08-23 at 17:13 +1200, Nick Rout wrote: Anyway, if you fix the downloading, I will do my best to write you an ebuild. I am half way through it. Oh and perhaps you could explain the rather weird permissions on the files in the tarball, viz: -rw-r--r-- 1 nick users 3809210 Aug 22 14:16 graphics.pak -rwxr-xr-x 1 nick users 446 Aug 22 14:53 highscores.dat -rwxr-xr-x 1 nick users 515804 Aug 22 15:55 laby -rwxr-xr-x 1 nick users1610 Mar 10 2004 laby.xpm -rw-r--r-- 1 nick users4104 Aug 22 15:48 liesmich.txt -rwxr-xr-x 1 nick users3890 Aug 22 15:28 readme.txt -rwxr-xr-x 1 nick users2023 Mar 10 2004 readme_waffen.txt -rwxr-xr-x 1 nick users3197 Aug 18 10:21 readme_zauber.txt -rw-r--r-- 1 nick users 973752 Aug 15 10:29 sounds.pak there is no need for the .txt files to be executable, nor the icon (laby.xpm), nor the highscores (I hope). Every file which comes from Sicromoft (R) Wondies (TM) has execute permission set. That's not an error. Due to Sicromoft this is a FEATURE ;-))) Please advise why these come with the executable permission set, or whether this is just an error? -- Nick Rout [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Lost Labyrinth
Purebasic is very fast. The generated assembler code kicks ass. And I can compile it for Linux, Mac OS and Windows. If I find a Open Source Basic Compiler that can do the task. I consider rewriting it again. We are programming this game since 12 years :-) The first Version we programmed on the Atari ST! :-)) There the language was calles STOS. Am Dienstag, 23. August 2005 08:33 schrieb Frank Schafer: Hi Markus, have you ever wondered about the possibility to rewrite your game to another programming language. There's a lot of possibilities (even for FSF game engines). Just a thought Frank On Mon, 2005-08-22 at 23:42 +0200, Markus Döbele wrote: So we have to treat Lost Labyrinth as closed source. Because the source code of this game is only useful to other purebasic programmers. And people that got the compiler. I understand. Can't change that. Am Montag, 22. August 2005 22:52 schrieb Matan Peled: Markus Döbele wrote: I created a tar.gz Version of this game too. I'm sorry that its not possible to compile it with the demo version of the compiler. What are gentoo users doing with other binary packages? Like Acrobat Reader? Is this a big problem for this system? No, Portage can handle binary apps just fine. We have Java, Unreal Tournament 2k3/2k4, Doom 3, Neverwinter Nights... All kinds of binary-only apps. But all of them are closed-source (Except for the -bin version of some rather big packages, manly to save people the compile time...). It feels kinda wrong to install a binary package of a (small) open-source app on a source-based system... Its also weird having an opensource app that you can only compile using a non-free (as in beer) compiler... -- [Name ] :: [Matan I. Peled] [Location ] :: [Israel] [Public Key] :: [0xD6F42CA5] [Keyserver ] :: [keyserver.kjsl.com] encrypted/signed plain text preferred -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Lost Labyrinth
Wow, 1MB sourcecode within 12 years! ;-) It should be rewriteable to ... say ... C within a few months. (I prefer C rather than C++) On Tue, 2005-08-23 at 09:06 +0200, Markus Döbele wrote: Purebasic is very fast. The generated assembler code kicks ass. And I can compile it for Linux, Mac OS and Windows. If I find a Open Source Basic Compiler that can do the task. I consider rewriting it again. We are programming this game since 12 years :-) The first Version we programmed on the Atari ST! :-)) There the language was calles STOS. Am Dienstag, 23. August 2005 08:33 schrieb Frank Schafer: Hi Markus, have you ever wondered about the possibility to rewrite your game to another programming language. There's a lot of possibilities (even for FSF game engines). Just a thought Frank On Mon, 2005-08-22 at 23:42 +0200, Markus Döbele wrote: So we have to treat Lost Labyrinth as closed source. Because the source code of this game is only useful to other purebasic programmers. And people that got the compiler. I understand. Can't change that. Am Montag, 22. August 2005 22:52 schrieb Matan Peled: Markus Döbele wrote: I created a tar.gz Version of this game too. I'm sorry that its not possible to compile it with the demo version of the compiler. What are gentoo users doing with other binary packages? Like Acrobat Reader? Is this a big problem for this system? No, Portage can handle binary apps just fine. We have Java, Unreal Tournament 2k3/2k4, Doom 3, Neverwinter Nights... All kinds of binary-only apps. But all of them are closed-source (Except for the -bin version of some rather big packages, manly to save people the compile time...). It feels kinda wrong to install a binary package of a (small) open-source app on a source-based system... Its also weird having an opensource app that you can only compile using a non-free (as in beer) compiler... -- [Name ] :: [Matan I. Peled] [Location ] :: [Israel] [Public Key] :: [0xD6F42CA5] [Keyserver ] :: [keyserver.kjsl.com] encrypted/signed plain text preferred -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Lost Labyrinth
On Tue, 2005-08-23 at 08:31 +0200, Frank Schafer wrote: Every file which comes from Sicromoft (R) Wondies (TM) has execute permission set. That's not an error. Due to Sicromoft this is a FEATURE ;-))) That would be an explanation if all the files in the tarball had their execute bit set, but they don't! never mind, we will whip these laby guys into decent gentoo shape LOL. -- Nick Rout [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Lost Labyrinth
On Tue, 2005-08-23 at 20:38 +1200, Nick Rout wrote: On Tue, 2005-08-23 at 08:31 +0200, Frank Schafer wrote: Every file which comes from Sicromoft (R) Wondies (TM) has execute permission set. That's not an error. Due to Sicromoft this is a FEATURE ;-))) That would be an explanation if all the files in the tarball had their execute bit set, but they don't! never mind, we will whip these laby guys into decent gentoo shape LOL. -- Nick Rout [EMAIL PROTECTED] I got the tarball too meanwhile ... and Purebasic itself to have some docs about that language. The source isn't that big. Due to the clean structure of the sources simply converting the BASIC syntax to a more *NIX like language shouldn't be a that big task too. I didn't look at the platforms Purebasic runs on but for these variables 'name.?' the '?' is a character defining the number of bytes the variable occupies. I don't have a clue how PB handles byte order ... not to mention 64 bit systems. If we help such guys into the FSF world we should wonder about portability too, shouldn't we? .02$ Frank -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Lost Labyrinth
Am Dienstag, den 23.08.2005, 09:06 +0200 schrieb Markus Döbele: Purebasic is very fast. The generated assembler code kicks ass. And I can compile it for Linux, Mac OS and Windows. If I find a Open Source Basic Compiler that can do the task. I consider rewriting it again. Did you ever look at Gambas? http://gambas.sourceforge.net/ At the moment it's dedicated to X environments with both QT and GTK support but I wouldn't be suprised if they will support Windoze in the future. The IDE itself is very nice and the compiler generates smooth code. It's in Portage BTW. And last but not least they have a very nice community. Another option might be RealBasic http://www.realbasic.com/ . The Current RealBasic version 2005 is commercial, but the older standard version 5.5 for Windows is free. It's a little strange but with that you are able to produce native Linux binaries for a QT environment. We are programming this game since 12 years :-) The first Version we programmed on the Atari ST! :-)) There the language was calles STOS. Am Dienstag, 23. August 2005 08:33 schrieb Frank Schafer: Hi Markus, have you ever wondered about the possibility to rewrite your game to another programming language. There's a lot of possibilities (even for FSF game engines). Just a thought Frank On Mon, 2005-08-22 at 23:42 +0200, Markus Döbele wrote: So we have to treat Lost Labyrinth as closed source. Because the source code of this game is only useful to other purebasic programmers. And people that got the compiler. I understand. Can't change that. Am Montag, 22. August 2005 22:52 schrieb Matan Peled: Markus Döbele wrote: I created a tar.gz Version of this game too. I'm sorry that its not possible to compile it with the demo version of the compiler. What are gentoo users doing with other binary packages? Like Acrobat Reader? Is this a big problem for this system? No, Portage can handle binary apps just fine. We have Java, Unreal Tournament 2k3/2k4, Doom 3, Neverwinter Nights... All kinds of binary-only apps. But all of them are closed-source (Except for the -bin version of some rather big packages, manly to save people the compile time...). It feels kinda wrong to install a binary package of a (small) open-source app on a source-based system... Its also weird having an opensource app that you can only compile using a non-free (as in beer) compiler... -- [Name ] :: [Matan I. Peled] [Location ] :: [Israel] [Public Key] :: [0xD6F42CA5] [Keyserver ] :: [keyserver.kjsl.com] encrypted/signed plain text preferred -- Mit freundlichen Grüßen Heinz Sporn SPORN it-freelancing Mobile: ++43 (0)699 / 127 827 07 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Website: http://www.sporn-it.com Snail: Steyrer Str. 20 A-4540 Bad Hall Austria / Europe -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Lost Labyrinth
But this is a game and not an aplication. I need fast scrolling and all this stuff. I don't think this languages can handle that. Am Dienstag, 23. August 2005 09:57 schrieb Heinz Sporn: Am Dienstag, den 23.08.2005, 09:06 +0200 schrieb Markus Döbele: Purebasic is very fast. The generated assembler code kicks ass. And I can compile it for Linux, Mac OS and Windows. If I find a Open Source Basic Compiler that can do the task. I consider rewriting it again. Did you ever look at Gambas? http://gambas.sourceforge.net/ At the moment it's dedicated to X environments with both QT and GTK support but I wouldn't be suprised if they will support Windoze in the future. The IDE itself is very nice and the compiler generates smooth code. It's in Portage BTW. And last but not least they have a very nice community. Another option might be RealBasic http://www.realbasic.com/ . The Current RealBasic version 2005 is commercial, but the older standard version 5.5 for Windows is free. It's a little strange but with that you are able to produce native Linux binaries for a QT environment. We are programming this game since 12 years :-) The first Version we programmed on the Atari ST! :-)) There the language was calles STOS. Am Dienstag, 23. August 2005 08:33 schrieb Frank Schafer: Hi Markus, have you ever wondered about the possibility to rewrite your game to another programming language. There's a lot of possibilities (even for FSF game engines). Just a thought Frank On Mon, 2005-08-22 at 23:42 +0200, Markus Döbele wrote: So we have to treat Lost Labyrinth as closed source. Because the source code of this game is only useful to other purebasic programmers. And people that got the compiler. I understand. Can't change that. Am Montag, 22. August 2005 22:52 schrieb Matan Peled: Markus Döbele wrote: I created a tar.gz Version of this game too. I'm sorry that its not possible to compile it with the demo version of the compiler. What are gentoo users doing with other binary packages? Like Acrobat Reader? Is this a big problem for this system? No, Portage can handle binary apps just fine. We have Java, Unreal Tournament 2k3/2k4, Doom 3, Neverwinter Nights... All kinds of binary-only apps. But all of them are closed-source (Except for the -bin version of some rather big packages, manly to save people the compile time...). It feels kinda wrong to install a binary package of a (small) open-source app on a source-based system... Its also weird having an opensource app that you can only compile using a non-free (as in beer) compiler... -- [Name ] :: [Matan I. Peled] [Location ] :: [Israel] [Public Key] :: [0xD6F42CA5] [Keyserver ] :: [keyserver.kjsl.com] encrypted/signed plain text preferred -- Mit freundlichen Grüßen Heinz Sporn SPORN it-freelancing Mobile: ++43 (0)699 / 127 827 07 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Website: http://www.sporn-it.com Snail: Steyrer Str. 20 A-4540 Bad Hall Austria / Europe -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Lost Labyrinth
You are absolutely right. We got a multidimesional record for the players. Which is called spieler in german. I will step by step translate everything to english if anybody here likes to participate in delepment. Gentoo users seem to be different. Our Windows gamers all never wanted to participate in coding, so there has not been a need to rewrite all comments and variable names to english. But I can do that. Will take a while. But if this is helping I will do that. Am Dienstag, 23. August 2005 16:47 schrieb Holly Bostick: Frank Schafer schreef: The only thing I don't understand after 5 minutes looking at the code; what means: spieler(i) \Status = 1 I don't know anything about code, but I looked at this and immediately saw spieler = Player in German. Maybe that helps you understand what it's doing. Holly -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
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I got a response of the other programmer. He told me that we got a cms on this server, which also provides the files. Is also sends a http header: Content-disposition: filename=$filename Content-type: $mimetype Content-length: $filesize Pragma: no-cache Expires: 0 We also got a sourceforge site. Maybe this is helping? http://sourceforge.net/projects/lostlaby Am Dienstag, 23. August 2005 02:05 schrieb Nick Rout: I am trying to make an ebuild. when i download the compiled tarball with wget using this url: http://laby.toybox.de/download15/laby_1.0.1.tar.gz I get a file called download2.php\?fileid\=15 which i then have to rename to laby_1.0.1.tar.gz This is not a good start. So whats up with your web server, or is there a better url i could use for automated downloading? On Mon, 22 Aug 2005 23:42:19 +0200 Markus Döbele wrote: So we have to treat Lost Labyrinth as closed source. Because the source code of this game is only useful to other purebasic programmers. And people that got the compiler. I understand. Can't change that. Am Montag, 22. August 2005 22:52 schrieb Matan Peled: Markus Döbele wrote: I created a tar.gz Version of this game too. I'm sorry that its not possible to compile it with the demo version of the compiler. What are gentoo users doing with other binary packages? Like Acrobat Reader? Is this a big problem for this system? No, Portage can handle binary apps just fine. We have Java, Unreal Tournament 2k3/2k4, Doom 3, Neverwinter Nights... All kinds of binary-only apps. But all of them are closed-source (Except for the -bin version of some rather big packages, manly to save people the compile time...). It feels kinda wrong to install a binary package of a (small) open-source app on a source-based system... Its also weird having an opensource app that you can only compile using a non-free (as in beer) compiler... -- [Name ] :: [Matan I. Peled] [Location ] :: [Israel] [Public Key] :: [0xD6F42CA5] [Keyserver ] :: [keyserver.kjsl.com] encrypted/signed plain text preferred -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list -- Nick Rout [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Lost Labyrinth
On Tue, 2005-08-23 at 22:02 +0200, Markus Döbele wrote: I got a response of the other programmer. He told me that we got a cms on this server, which also provides the files. Is also sends a http header: Content-disposition: filename=$filename Content-type: $mimetype Content-length: $filesize Pragma: no-cache Expires: 0 I am told that wget does not parse headers. We also got a sourceforge site. Maybe this is helping? http://sourceforge.net/projects/lostlaby That would be good if it had the latest version. It doesn't. there are facilities built into portage to download from sourceforge mirrors, but I cannot use it if you don't actually release there) Am Dienstag, 23. August 2005 02:05 schrieb Nick Rout: I am trying to make an ebuild. when i download the compiled tarball with wget using this url: http://laby.toybox.de/download15/laby_1.0.1.tar.gz I get a file called download2.php\?fileid\=15 which i then have to rename to laby_1.0.1.tar.gz This is not a good start. So whats up with your web server, or is there a better url i could use for automated downloading? -- Nick Rout [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Nick Rout [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Lost Labyrinth
On Tue, 23 Aug 2005 23:48:45 +0200
Markus Döbele wrote:
Okay, then lets use sourceforge.
I will release a new version tonight! Will be 1.0.2.
(Integrated 10 new magical items, The special levels look really nice now and
I included a new one: underground forest. The dragon room is new. And we got
a room for trainers now :-) )
How do we handle it with sourceforge that we always get the newest version?
Do I have to edit the same release all the time. Or is there a mechanism that
gets the neweset file automatically?
The versioning is handled like this:
each ebuild has a name and version in it. I would call the current laby
ebuild laby-1.0.1.ebuild and it would include a line like:
SRC_URI=mirror://sourceforge/synce/${P}.tar.gz
${P} includes the version number automatically.
When a new version is released someone needs to write a new ebuild, but
as all versioning is handled automatically, this is usually just a
matter of copying the previous one and renaming it to e.g.
laby-1.0.2.ebuild.
portage picks up the new version number from the filename and adjusts
the download URL by virtue of the ${P} variable.
It does rely on you keeping the filenaming consistent and not suddenly
changing from laby-1.0.1.tar.gz to lostlabyrinth-1.0.2.tgz.
For more info see
http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/devrel/handbook/handbook.xml?part=2chap=1
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Re: [gentoo-user] Lost Labyrinth
On Mon, 22 Aug 2005, Wayne Clement wrote: try PowerBasic Ah, a contradiction in terms ;-) -- -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Lost Labyrinth
Am Montag 22 August 2005 08:54 schrieb Matan Peled: ; Aktive Zauber loeschen For j = 1 To #ANZ_SPIELER For i = 1 To 15 aktive (i,j) \nr = 0 aktive (i,j) \dauer = 0 Next Next looks like some (visual) basic stuff. hmm maybe I'll download the source and translate the comments to english. so if this game has such a big userbase at least the source is internationalized :) pgpqSmTddkviX.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Lost Labyrinth
try PowerBasic - Original Message - From: Matan Peled [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 22, 2005 2:54 AM Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Lost Labyrinth -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Nick Rout wrote: what language is it written in? Good question. I downloaded the source in attempt to figure it out... The files all have the extension of .pb, all comments start with ;, and a block of code looks something like this: ; Aktive Zauber loeschen For j = 1 To #ANZ_SPIELER For i = 1 To 15 aktive (i,j) \nr = 0 aktive (i,j) \dauer = 0 Next Next I don't recognize this language at all... - -- [Name ] :: [Matan I. Peled] [Location ] :: [Israel] [Public Key] :: [0xD6F42CA5] [Keyserver ] :: [keyserver.kjsl.com] encrypted/signed plain text preferred -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFDCXakA7Qvptb0LKURAjx6AJ4idkMgj9G652R2sMo0h10VI0vKsQCfcdwH 0Hkk3RV68p/tUkmZQg639GQ= =C5X2 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Wayne Clement wrote: try PowerBasic Seems right. And how do I compile it? - -- [Name ] :: [Matan I. Peled] [Location ] :: [Israel] [Public Key] :: [0xD6F42CA5] [Keyserver ] :: [keyserver.kjsl.com] encrypted/signed plain text preferred -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFDCX0FA7Qvptb0LKURAl9YAJ9J/s0C4/37Oq1g9Nxb3r/cqqnRTACeJGFR WDxRFltWeuLKRVqv7GOUrrI= =ZYU3 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
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I don't know. Power basic is windows/dos only. I was looking at the .pb. I did a google and found PureBasic and it has a linux version and apears to have some visualbasic compatibility. www.purebasic.com I didn't see any other that might use the .pb ending. - Original Message - From: Matan Peled [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Sent: Monday, August 22, 2005 3:21 AM Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Lost Labyrinth -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Wayne Clement wrote: try PowerBasic Seems right. And how do I compile it? -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Martins Steinbergs wrote: i extracted tar.gz version under user and run ~/laby/laby graphics, sound, everything works nice. no problem quiting. game disables Alt+Tab, so to get to other windowed task should quit game. Martins Yeah, it works. Can't compile it, though. - -- [Name ] :: [Matan I. Peled] [Location ] :: [Israel] [Public Key] :: [0xD6F42CA5] [Keyserver ] :: [keyserver.kjsl.com] encrypted/signed plain text preferred -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFDCb1vA7Qvptb0LKURArYSAJ4iKVrO60h1K07b0Ouym7o6pbmE3gCeP24Z WmF/E8k2jz0vAkmTh1kTyQY= =Pksj -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Christoph Gysin wrote: To get a chance of getting it included in the portage tree, you'll need to provide a package with everything needed to build the game from source. Some sort of build instruction would also be nice. But we can't... It requires a commercial basic compiler =/ A binary package is our only choice. - -- [Name ] :: [Matan I. Peled] [Location ] :: [Israel] [Public Key] :: [0xD6F42CA5] [Keyserver ] :: [keyserver.kjsl.com] encrypted/signed plain text preferred -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFDCde2A7Qvptb0LKURApEmAJ9T0gm+/4LbwCSBDhrT8A4qGEk5cACggt/J nVcHNoxAha/xKMoYWSljlfc= =Aptz -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
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Matan Peled wrote: Christoph Gysin wrote: To get a chance of getting it included in the portage tree, you'll need to provide a package with everything needed to build the game from source. Some sort of build instruction would also be nice. But we can't... It requires a commercial basic compiler =/ This is bad. Opensource software shouldn't depend on commercial stuff. In this case, I'm not willing to spend my time building a package for it. A binary package is our only choice. Good luck then... Christoph -- echo mailto: NOSPAM !#$.'*'|sed 's. ..'|tr * !#:2 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
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This is bad. Opensource software shouldn't depend on commercial stuff. In this case, I'm not willing to spend my time building a package for it. A binary package is our only choice. Good luck then... Well it's possible to emerge ut2004 which requires you to bring your own binary. And when you emerge sun-jdk you need to download Sun's binary. So I don't know why this game wouldn't be possible, other than maybe it's not popular enough to afford those concessions. --- Chris Covington IT Plus One Health Management 75 Maiden Lane Suite 801 NY, NY 10038 646-312-6269 http://www.plusoneactive.com -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
RE: [gentoo-user] Lost Labyrinth
Just my .02 worth - anything for *nix with the word basic in it makes me shudder... the only other package I know of that used .pb extensions was powerbuilder. at one time, it had a lot of promising features, but after being bought twice and totally commercialized, it turned into another Symantec and their *nix and mac development went out the window... John D -Original Message- From: Matan Peled [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 22, 2005 12:41 PM To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Lost Labyrinth -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Christoph Gysin wrote: This is bad. Opensource software shouldn't depend on commercial stuff. Agreed, I'm not really willing to spend my time on a 'semi-opensource' app either. Writing an ebuild for a binary app isn't all that hard, and it might be accepted into portage (Other binary games have been accepted, after all). Good luck, Markus. - -- [Name ] :: [Matan I. Peled] [Location ] :: [Israel] [Public Key] :: [0xD6F42CA5] [Keyserver ] :: [keyserver.kjsl.com] encrypted/signed plain text preferred -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFDCgAXA7Qvptb0LKURAvpWAJ4vLkFMupgLN/dhHhmVYsdLpDInBwCdGw4M +4k/DcV8IWSoNJFjpHz0FL8= =Xqpk -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Lost Labyrinth
Its written in Purebasic. www.purebasic.com And it needs sdl to run. Am Montag, 22. August 2005 07:40 schrieb Nick Rout: On Mon, 2005-08-22 at 07:06 +0200, Markus Döbele wrote: I also created a rpm version of the game. I have no idea yet what I have to do to make it easy to install for gentoo users. Maybe you like to include our game in your distribution? Its only 4.4 MB big. Its a game like the old Roque and for Windows we have a lot of fans already. I would love it if we had a lot of Linux gamers too! Basically gentoo users will want to download it and compile it. Someone will need to create an ebuild for it. So: what language is it written in? what libraries are needed to compile it? what libraries are needed to run it? is there anything tricky about compiling and running it? -- Nick Rout [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
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If people like to get involved in programming for this game I will translate everything to english. The game itself I translated to english, german and spanish. Am Montag, 22. August 2005 09:01 schrieb Martin Marcher: Am Montag 22 August 2005 08:54 schrieb Matan Peled: ; Aktive Zauber loeschen For j = 1 To #ANZ_SPIELER For i = 1 To 15 aktive (i,j) \nr = 0 aktive (i,j) \dauer = 0 Next Next looks like some (visual) basic stuff. hmm maybe I'll download the source and translate the comments to english. so if this game has such a big userbase at least the source is internationalized :) -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Lost Labyrinth
I created a tar.gz Version of this game too. I'm sorry that its not possible to compile it with the demo version of the compiler. What are gentoo users doing with other binary packages? Like Acrobat Reader? Is this a big problem for this system? Am Montag, 22. August 2005 12:07 schrieb Matan Peled: Wayne Clement wrote: I don't know. Power basic is windows/dos only. I was looking at the .pb. I did a google and found PureBasic and it has a linux version and apears to have some visualbasic compatibility. www.purebasic.com I didn't see any other that might use the .pb ending. And.. Its non free. It does have a demo version, though: == Figure A == [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~/temp/laby_source_1.0.1 $ ../purebasic/compilers/pbcompiler laby.pb ** PureBasic Linux x86 v3.92 (Demo) ** Loading external modules... Starting compilation... Including source: constants_laby.pb Including source: constants_sprites.pb Including source: constants_images.pb Including source: konstanten.pb Including source: constants_sounds.pb Including source: help.pb Error: Source too big for demo version == End Figure A == Which seems to mean Markus meant to provide a binary version of his game... =/ -- [Name ] :: [Matan I. Peled] [Location ] :: [Israel] [Public Key] :: [0xD6F42CA5] [Keyserver ] :: [keyserver.kjsl.com] encrypted/signed plain text preferred -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
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Thats the way all the old versions had to be started. For the 1.0.0 Version I created a rpm. To make it easier for suse, mandrake and redhat Users. But I want to create a deb and an ebuild for gentoo too. Maybe somebody from the gentoo team likes to help me with this. Am Montag, 22. August 2005 13:40 schrieb Martins Steinbergs: i extracted tar.gz version under user and run ~/laby/laby graphics, sound, everything works nice. no problem quiting. game disables Alt+Tab, so to get to other windowed task should quit game. Martins On Monday 22 August 2005 13:06, Nick Rout wrote: If you download the compiled rpm and install it (I have rpm emerged into my system, for mainactor originally I think) rpm -Uvh --nodeps laby-1.0.1-0.i586.rpm It installs these files: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~/tmp/laby $ rpm -ql laby /usr/games/laby/graphics.pak /usr/games/laby/highscores.dat /usr/games/laby/laby /usr/games/laby/laby.xpm /usr/games/laby/liesmich.txt /usr/games/laby/purebasic.exe /usr/games/laby/readme.txt /usr/games/laby/readme_waffen.txt /usr/games/laby/readme_zauber.txt /usr/games/laby/sounds.pak you can run the game with /usr/games/laby/laby. It runs (although I haven't worked out how to quit it other than by killing X). A few instances of purebasic.exe appear in ps, which is odd looking but works. On Mon, 2005-08-22 at 04:54 -0400, Wayne Clement wrote: I don't know. Power basic is windows/dos only. I was looking at the .pb. I did a google and found PureBasic and it has a linux version and apears to have some visualbasic compatibility. www.purebasic.com I didn't see any other that might use the .pb ending. - Original Message - From: Matan Peled [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Sent: Monday, August 22, 2005 3:21 AM Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Lost Labyrinth -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Wayne Clement wrote: try PowerBasic Seems right. And how do I compile it? -- Nick Rout [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
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ebuild sounds good to me :-) I think it should be as easy as possible for gentoo users to install the game. Its fully open source. Only the compiler is not. Am Montag, 22. August 2005 18:40 schrieb Matan Peled: Christoph Gysin wrote: This is bad. Opensource software shouldn't depend on commercial stuff. Agreed, I'm not really willing to spend my time on a 'semi-opensource' app either. Writing an ebuild for a binary app isn't all that hard, and it might be accepted into portage (Other binary games have been accepted, after all). Good luck, Markus. -- [Name ] :: [Matan I. Peled] [Location ] :: [Israel] [Public Key] :: [0xD6F42CA5] [Keyserver ] :: [keyserver.kjsl.com] encrypted/signed plain text preferred -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
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Its purebasic , not powerbuilder. And the reason why people use it, is because you can compile your games for windows, linux and mac. I dont think this is going to change. The other version we have is in blitzbasic. Which only exists for windows. So I invested a lot of time to rewrite it for a compiler that exists for Linux. I can't see a reason not to play this little game. Am Montag, 22. August 2005 19:41 schrieb John Dangler: Just my .02 worth - anything for *nix with the word basic in it makes me shudder... the only other package I know of that used .pb extensions was powerbuilder. at one time, it had a lot of promising features, but after being bought twice and totally commercialized, it turned into another Symantec and their *nix and mac development went out the window... John D -Original Message- From: Matan Peled [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 22, 2005 12:41 PM To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Lost Labyrinth Christoph Gysin wrote: This is bad. Opensource software shouldn't depend on commercial stuff. Agreed, I'm not really willing to spend my time on a 'semi-opensource' app either. Writing an ebuild for a binary app isn't all that hard, and it might be accepted into portage (Other binary games have been accepted, after all). Good luck, Markus. -- [Name ] :: [Matan I. Peled] [Location ] :: [Israel] [Public Key] :: [0xD6F42CA5] [Keyserver ] :: [keyserver.kjsl.com] encrypted/signed plain text preferred -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Lost Labyrinth
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Markus Döbele wrote: I created a tar.gz Version of this game too. I'm sorry that its not possible to compile it with the demo version of the compiler. What are gentoo users doing with other binary packages? Like Acrobat Reader? Is this a big problem for this system? No, Portage can handle binary apps just fine. We have Java, Unreal Tournament 2k3/2k4, Doom 3, Neverwinter Nights... All kinds of binary-only apps. But all of them are closed-source (Except for the -bin version of some rather big packages, manly to save people the compile time...). It feels kinda wrong to install a binary package of a (small) open-source app on a source-based system... Its also weird having an opensource app that you can only compile using a non-free (as in beer) compiler... - -- [Name ] :: [Matan I. Peled] [Location ] :: [Israel] [Public Key] :: [0xD6F42CA5] [Keyserver ] :: [keyserver.kjsl.com] encrypted/signed plain text preferred -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFDCjr6A7Qvptb0LKURAuu1AJ0dnvEMCwoWYOmvrDVlylW/2bTQCACfe4h2 YLkvEBo7vCnlGtmppaHlfAE= =JNPk -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Lost Labyrinth
So we have to treat Lost Labyrinth as closed source. Because the source code of this game is only useful to other purebasic programmers. And people that got the compiler. I understand. Can't change that. Am Montag, 22. August 2005 22:52 schrieb Matan Peled: Markus Döbele wrote: I created a tar.gz Version of this game too. I'm sorry that its not possible to compile it with the demo version of the compiler. What are gentoo users doing with other binary packages? Like Acrobat Reader? Is this a big problem for this system? No, Portage can handle binary apps just fine. We have Java, Unreal Tournament 2k3/2k4, Doom 3, Neverwinter Nights... All kinds of binary-only apps. But all of them are closed-source (Except for the -bin version of some rather big packages, manly to save people the compile time...). It feels kinda wrong to install a binary package of a (small) open-source app on a source-based system... Its also weird having an opensource app that you can only compile using a non-free (as in beer) compiler... -- [Name ] :: [Matan I. Peled] [Location ] :: [Israel] [Public Key] :: [0xD6F42CA5] [Keyserver ] :: [keyserver.kjsl.com] encrypted/signed plain text preferred -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Lost Labyrinth
I am trying to make an ebuild. when i download the compiled tarball with wget using this url: http://laby.toybox.de/download15/laby_1.0.1.tar.gz I get a file called download2.php\?fileid\=15 which i then have to rename to laby_1.0.1.tar.gz This is not a good start. So whats up with your web server, or is there a better url i could use for automated downloading? On Mon, 22 Aug 2005 23:42:19 +0200 Markus Döbele wrote: So we have to treat Lost Labyrinth as closed source. Because the source code of this game is only useful to other purebasic programmers. And people that got the compiler. I understand. Can't change that. Am Montag, 22. August 2005 22:52 schrieb Matan Peled: Markus Döbele wrote: I created a tar.gz Version of this game too. I'm sorry that its not possible to compile it with the demo version of the compiler. What are gentoo users doing with other binary packages? Like Acrobat Reader? Is this a big problem for this system? No, Portage can handle binary apps just fine. We have Java, Unreal Tournament 2k3/2k4, Doom 3, Neverwinter Nights... All kinds of binary-only apps. But all of them are closed-source (Except for the -bin version of some rather big packages, manly to save people the compile time...). It feels kinda wrong to install a binary package of a (small) open-source app on a source-based system... Its also weird having an opensource app that you can only compile using a non-free (as in beer) compiler... -- [Name ] :: [Matan I. Peled] [Location ] :: [Israel] [Public Key] :: [0xD6F42CA5] [Keyserver ] :: [keyserver.kjsl.com] encrypted/signed plain text preferred -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list -- Nick Rout [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Lost Labyrinth
I forwarded this message to the other programmer of laby that is maintaining the homepage. I let you know what we can do. I never used wget. But could you specify that he downloads everthing from http://laby.toybox.de/download15/; ? Because there I will store all the future versions of the game. The names will change. But it will always be only one file. Maybe its even possible to find out whats the name of the file? I know nothing about wget. But try to help as far as can! Am Dienstag, 23. August 2005 02:05 schrieb Nick Rout: I am trying to make an ebuild. when i download the compiled tarball with wget using this url: http://laby.toybox.de/download15/laby_1.0.1.tar.gz I get a file called download2.php\?fileid\=15 which i then have to rename to laby_1.0.1.tar.gz This is not a good start. So whats up with your web server, or is there a better url i could use for automated downloading? On Mon, 22 Aug 2005 23:42:19 +0200 Markus Döbele wrote: So we have to treat Lost Labyrinth as closed source. Because the source code of this game is only useful to other purebasic programmers. And people that got the compiler. I understand. Can't change that. Am Montag, 22. August 2005 22:52 schrieb Matan Peled: Markus Döbele wrote: I created a tar.gz Version of this game too. I'm sorry that its not possible to compile it with the demo version of the compiler. What are gentoo users doing with other binary packages? Like Acrobat Reader? Is this a big problem for this system? No, Portage can handle binary apps just fine. We have Java, Unreal Tournament 2k3/2k4, Doom 3, Neverwinter Nights... All kinds of binary-only apps. But all of them are closed-source (Except for the -bin version of some rather big packages, manly to save people the compile time...). It feels kinda wrong to install a binary package of a (small) open-source app on a source-based system... Its also weird having an opensource app that you can only compile using a non-free (as in beer) compiler... -- [Name ] :: [Matan I. Peled] [Location ] :: [Israel] [Public Key] :: [0xD6F42CA5] [Keyserver ] :: [keyserver.kjsl.com] encrypted/signed plain text preferred -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list -- Nick Rout [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Lost Labyrinth
On Tue, 2005-08-23 at 03:25 +0200, Markus Döbele wrote: I forwarded this message to the other programmer of laby that is maintaining the homepage. I let you know what we can do. I never used wget. But could you specify that he downloads everthing from http://laby.toybox.de/download15/; ? Because there I will store all the future versions of the game. The names will change. But it will always be only one file. Maybe its even possible to find out whats the name of the file? I know nothing about wget. But try to help as far as can! OK I have asked some questions on the gentoo developer list and the consensus is that the file needs to download cleanly with wget or else there are problems incorporating it into a gentoo ebuild without repackaging the file and/or the gentoo project mirroring it for you. In fact most of the comments were along the lines tell the labyrinth distributors to fix their crap webserver or words to that effect. Frankly there is no reason to have a redirect on a simple file download. Just show you can show the guys who run your web server, this is what happens when you try to download the file using wget, the web server redirects the download and you end up with a funny named file. Here is the output: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~/tmp/laby $ wget http://laby.toybox.de/download15/laby_1.0.1.tar.gz --17:10:54-- http://laby.toybox.de/download15/laby_1.0.1.tar.gz = `laby_1.0.1.tar.gz.1' Resolving laby.toybox.de... 212.227.43.232 Connecting to laby.toybox.de[212.227.43.232]:80... connected. HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 302 Found Location: http://laby.toybox.de/download2.php?fileid=15 [following] --17:10:56-- http://laby.toybox.de/download2.php?fileid=15 = `download2.php?fileid=15' Connecting to laby.toybox.de[212.227.43.232]:80... connected. HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 200 OK Length: 4,882,608 [application/x-tgz] As you can see it is the redirect that is the problem. The same thing happens if you just try the directory name as you suggested: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~/tmp/laby $ wget http://laby.toybox.de/download15/ --17:12:24-- http://laby.toybox.de/download15/ = `index.html' Resolving laby.toybox.de... 212.227.43.232 Connecting to laby.toybox.de[212.227.43.232]:80... connected. HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 302 Found Location: http://laby.toybox.de/download2.php?fileid=15 [following] --17:12:28-- http://laby.toybox.de/download2.php?fileid=15 = `download2.php?fileid=15' Connecting to laby.toybox.de[212.227.43.232]:80... connected. HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 200 OK Length: 4,882,608 [application/x-tgz] Anyway, if you fix the downloading, I will do my best to write you an ebuild. I am half way through it. Am Dienstag, 23. August 2005 02:05 schrieb Nick Rout: I am trying to make an ebuild. when i download the compiled tarball with wget using this url: http://laby.toybox.de/download15/laby_1.0.1.tar.gz I get a file called download2.php\?fileid\=15 which i then have to rename to laby_1.0.1.tar.gz This is not a good start. So whats up with your web server, or is there a better url i could use for automated downloading? On Mon, 22 Aug 2005 23:42:19 +0200 Markus Döbele wrote: So we have to treat Lost Labyrinth as closed source. Because the source code of this game is only useful to other purebasic programmers. And people that got the compiler. I understand. Can't change that. Am Montag, 22. August 2005 22:52 schrieb Matan Peled: Markus Döbele wrote: I created a tar.gz Version of this game too. I'm sorry that its not possible to compile it with the demo version of the compiler. What are gentoo users doing with other binary packages? Like Acrobat Reader? Is this a big problem for this system? No, Portage can handle binary apps just fine. We have Java, Unreal Tournament 2k3/2k4, Doom 3, Neverwinter Nights... All kinds of binary-only apps. But all of them are closed-source (Except for the -bin version of some rather big packages, manly to save people the compile time...). It feels kinda wrong to install a binary package of a (small) open-source app on a source-based system... Its also weird having an opensource app that you can only compile using a non-free (as in beer) compiler... -- [Name ] :: [Matan I. Peled] [Location ] :: [Israel] [Public Key] :: [0xD6F42CA5] [Keyserver ] :: [keyserver.kjsl.com] encrypted/signed plain text preferred -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list -- Nick Rout [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Nick Rout [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Lost Labyrinth
On Mon, 2005-08-22 at 07:06 +0200, Markus Döbele wrote: I also created a rpm version of the game. I have no idea yet what I have to do to make it easy to install for gentoo users. Maybe you like to include our game in your distribution? Its only 4.4 MB big. Its a game like the old Roque and for Windows we have a lot of fans already. I would love it if we had a lot of Linux gamers too! Basically gentoo users will want to download it and compile it. Someone will need to create an ebuild for it. So: what language is it written in? what libraries are needed to compile it? what libraries are needed to run it? is there anything tricky about compiling and running it? -- Nick Rout [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
