[h-cost] Costumes in "War and Peace"

[Kate Bunting]

Did any list members in the UK see the new BBC dramatization of "War and
Peace" on Sunday? I know ladies' gowns of that period (1805) were inspired
by classical draperies, but would it really have been acceptable to wear an
asymmetrical dress leaving one shoulder bare? There were at least two
examples of evening gowns in this style as well as some with narrow
shoulder straps which seemed jarringly modern to me.

Kate Bunting
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[h-cost] Notice for Bayeux Tapestry scholars/students

[Robin Netherton]

This just crossed my desk, and with the recent activity on this list, it makes 
sense to post it here. It's very time-limited, so if you're active on a list 
or group that does Norman Conquest history or the Bayeux Tapestry, please pass 
this on!


 Forwarded Message 
The Oxford study weekend on The Bayuex Tapestry and the Norman Conquest: A 
Commemoration of 1066 (Feb. 5-7) is in danger of being cancelled, which would 
be a shame because quite a lot of people have enrolled, but not enough! We 
have about a week before it gets axed. Details on

https://www.conted.ox.ac.uk/V400-536




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Re: [h-cost] Victorian lace curtains (Re: What costume-related gifts did everyone get?)

[Katy Bishop]

John Burrows lace curtains are lovely, I have some in my house. They're
made on historic looms in Scotland.

On Mon, Jan 4, 2016 at 2:06 PM, Christine Robb  wrote:

> On Sat, Dec 26, 2015 at 10:12:19AM -0800, Lavolta Press wrote:
> > In terms of what I'm doing, right now it's making drapes.  Or more like,
> buy
> > curtain rods, return half of them because they're theoretically Arts &
> > Crafts style but they're ugly, buy more rods. Buy brass electrical
> plates,
> > return half of them because they are a lovely Art Nouveau style but
> > oversized so would overlap the baseboards, buy smaller ones.  Order
> swatches
> > for curtain material, half haven't arrived because the fabric store
> owners
> > are busy this season. Meanwhile, kitchen contractor goes on vacation for
> two
> > weeks. We won't actually be moving to Sacramento till March at this rate.
> >
> > On the bright side, I found out that if you want more or less Victorian
> lace
> > drapes (I'm not claiming 100% accuracy), try those Quaker Lace brand
> > tablecloths that are all over eBay and Etsy every day, often at low
> prices.
> > You can easily get them in 100% cotton. Just sew on curtain rings. Many
> of
> > the expensive repro Victorian curtains actually look like tablecloths,
> with
> > a large central motif and borders all around. Matching the shade of
> > off-white for several windows in a room is a trick but can be done.
>
> I haven't ordered anything from him, but he's well known in social
> dance circles so some of you may know him too:
> http://www.burrows.com/
>
> He's done work at the MFA in Boston, tv shows, the list goes on.
> Beautiful photos on the website and facebook...  I don't know my
> Victorian lace curtains, but would be willing to bet these aren't the
> tablecloth variety.
>
> Fran, I expect you know about them already, but in case not,
> Rejuvenation and Lee Valley both sell hardware that might be of
> interest.
>
> Christine
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Re: [h-cost] Costumes in "War and Peace"

[Lavolta Press]

I gave up on snarking at movie costumes many years ago.  Movies are 
fiction. They are not documentaries, they are not meant to be 
educational, and they are not made primarily for viewing by historic 
reenactors. In many, much of the history itself is, at best, speculation.


I don't watch movies for the costumes. I watch them to see whether it's 
good drama and looking for things to criticize just spoils the drama.  
When I want solid information I look elsewhere. And really, some of the 
Facebook discussions sound just like catty little junior-high girls 
gleefully tearing down each other's clothes.


Fran
Lavolta Press
www.lavoltapress.com



On 1/5/2016 2:59 AM, annbw...@aol.com wrote:

Some of my Facebook friends are following. No one shoulder bare, or many, many, other 
things. I know it's theater, but even allowing for that, seems very weird. My opinion is, 
even though it is a story, it is based so firmly in a historical time and place, it seems 
downright strange to go off on such flights of fancy. Wonder if there will be a 
"making of" wherein it is explained?

Ann Wass




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Re: [h-cost] Victorian lace curtains (Re: What costume-related gifts did everyone get?)

[Lavolta Press]

Those curtains are lovely. I've looked at them off and on for over 30 
years, since we bought our San Francisco house.  And the same or a 
similar manufacturer sells such curtains (with slight defects) for about 
half the price on Etsy.  But I don't like them as much as the ones I 
have.  I'm not restoring a historic house, I'm just furnishing my house 
the way I like it. I'm very glad we passed up on a couple of National 
Historic Register houses in Portland that we considered.  In fact, I'm 
glad we passed up on Portland.  Dealing with contractors in Sacramento 
and my husband driving there several times a week is enough of a 
headache.  There seems to be a new small issue every day. I really would 
not want to be dealing with historic accuracy or a longer distance in 
addition.


Fran
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Content preview:  John Burrows lace curtains are lovely, I have some in my 
house.
They're made on historic looms in Scotland. On Mon, Jan 4, 2016 at 2:06 PM,
Christine Robb  wrote: > On Sat, Dec 26, 2015 at 
10:12:19AM
-0800, Lavolta Press wrote: > > In terms of what I'm doing, right now it's
making drapes. Or more like, > buy > > curtain rods, return half of them
   because they're theoretically Arts & > > Crafts style but they're ugly, buy
more rods. Buy brass electrical > plates, > > return half of them because
they are a lovely Art Nouveau style but > > oversized so would overlap the
baseboards, buy smaller ones. Order > swatches > > for curtain material,
   half haven't arrived because the fabric store > owners > > are busy this 
season.
Meanwhile, kitchen contractor goes on vacation for > two > > weeks. We won't
actually be moving to Sacramento till March at this rate. > > > > On the
   bright side, I found out that if you want more or less Victorian > lace >
   > drapes (I'm not claiming 100% accuracy), try those Quaker Lace brand > >
tablecloths that are all over eBay and Etsy every day, often at low > 
prices.
> > You can easily get them in 100% cotton. Just sew on curtain rings. Many
> of > > the expensive repro Victorian curtains actually look like 
tablecloths,
> with > > a large central motif and borders all around. Matching the shade
of > > off-white for several windows in a room is a trick but can be done.
> > I haven't ordered anything from him, but he's well known in social >
   dance circles so some of you may know him too: > http://www.burrows.com/ >
> He's done work at the MFA in Boston, tv shows, the list goes on. > 
Beautiful
photos on the website and facebook... I don't know my > Victorian lace 
curtains,
but would be willing to bet these aren't the > tablecloth variety. > > Fran,
I expect you know about them already, but in case not, > Rejuvenation and
Lee Valley both sell hardware that might be of > interest. > > Christine
   > > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > 
http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
> [...]

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Re: [h-cost] Costumes in "War and Peace"

[annbwass]

Some of my Facebook friends are following. No one shoulder bare, or many, many, 
other things. I know it's theater, but even allowing for that, seems very 
weird. My opinion is, even though it is a story, it is based so firmly in a 
historical time and place, it seems downright strange to go off on such flights 
of fancy. Wonder if there will be a "making of" wherein it is explained?

Ann Wass

 

 

 

-Original Message-
From: Kate Bunting 
To: Historical Costume 
Sent: Tue, Jan 5, 2016 4:52 am
Subject: [h-cost] Costumes in "War and Peace"

Did any list members in the UK see the new BBC dramatization of "War and
Peace" on Sunday? I know ladies' gowns of that period (1805) were inspired
by classical draperies, but would it really have been acceptable to wear an
asymmetrical dress leaving one shoulder bare? There were at least two
examples of evening gowns in this style as well as some with narrow
shoulder straps which seemed jarringly modern to me.

Kate Bunting
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Re: [h-cost] Victorian lace curtains

[Lavolta Press]

The house is a 1940s "Colonial Revival."  The floor layout is absolutely 
not Colonial, but the architect did their bit with window shutters, wide 
plank oak floors, some wood paneling, and windows with historically 
small panes, among other details. One south-facing window appears to 
have been replaced and it is a single pane.  Other than that, there's an 
issue trying to do something with all those small panes.  Also, 
Sacramento summers are sunnier and hotter than those in San 
Francisco--there were plenty of days over 100 degrees this past summer.  
The former owner painted the house for sale, apparently following a 
Sherwin & Williams historic color scheme (we saw it in their exterior 
paint brochure and it's OK). But our contractors have told us the 
exterior paint and the windows will really take a beating from the heat, 
especially on the south sides.


Other than that, the house conforms to Arts & Crafts decor as well as to 
anything else. In fact the living room fireplace (with onyx green tile) 
is more Arts & Crafts than Colonial. And some former owner put up a lot 
of nice brass door and window hardware, though it's mostly plated and 
many of the doorknobs need replacing by now.  I could wish away a couple 
of folding plantation/shutter doors into the living room, but my husband 
is taking up Arts & Crafts style woodworking and after he finishes my 
built-in closets I hope he will replace those doors. There are two 
bedroom-sized rectangular rooms next to my new sewing room that the 
former owners used as closets. (They were both political lobbyists with 
huge work wardrobes.) We took out the their open closet systems because 
stuff stored there would fade too much, and are building in closed 
closets with Arts & Crafts doors.


We decided not to put in any wallpaper after realizing how sunny all the 
rooms are.  The sewing room in our San Francisco house is on the ground 
floor, with the windows below a kind of ledge where the upper floor 
sticks out more.  And  I've always taken care to keep the shades down 
and curtains drawn at all times when the room is not in use. That's 
probably why the wallpaper there is unfaded.


One of our new neighbors used to manufacture Arts & Crafts style 
furniture for Rejuvenation, but he sold his business to them some years 
ago. Rejuvenation does send us their furniture catalogs and I'm not 
impressed with their current furniture.  (We are having a boodle of oak 
furniture custom made by the Amish, especially bookcases, but their work 
takes 12-14 weeks.) One of our other neighbors is a very experienced 
cabinet maker and has been very friendly, so my husband can probably get 
lots of advice on his woodworking.


The larger renovations are actually almost done (except for the closets 
my husband will build), but there a lot of some small stuff like 
refinishing some bathroom and pantry cabinets, which currently amply 
demonstrate why we'll never want a cat.  Also, my husband is doing a lot 
of tasks like restoring more antique light fixtures we bought, 
installing a some oak medicine cabinets we had made, putting up curtain 
rods, etc.  Considering we can't paint our SF house for sale till after 
the rainy season, and we won't get our Amish furniture till the middle 
to the end of February at least, we might as well actually live here and 
fix up the Sacramento house till then.


Fran
Lavolta Press
www.lavoltapress.com










On 1/5/2016 1:00 PM, Christine Robb wrote:

On Mon, Jan 04, 2016 at 11:40:40AM -0800, Lavolta Press wrote:

When we bought our San Francisco house over 30 years ago, we papered my
sewing room in J. R. Burrows William Morris wallpaper, still in wonderful
condition and unfaded. I'm really hoping to sell to someone who sees the
wallpaper as an asset rather than something weird to just paint over.  It
doesn't conform to the decoration I see in most houses for sale, which tends
to be beige, off-white, and modern.  As for our antique light fixtures,
we're moving them all to the new house and putting up cheap replacements for
sale.

We've uncovered some paintings on our walls that were buried under
wallpaper, and cleaned some others that had always been exposed but
become a bit grimy over the years.  So we hope for exactly the same
thing whenever we sell this house!  And we'll be taking almost all our
lights with us too.  Too bad we can't take the walls...

Great to hear that the wallpaper has stood up to the test of time.
I'd love to use some, someday.
  

The tablecloths actually look very good, although they are often heavier
than commercial lace curtains. At $30 or so per tablecloth instead of $250
or so per curtain, they're a deal. Being next to sunny windows, they'll rot
out and need to be replaced every few years. I've been dealing with that
forever in our San Francisco house.

We put window film in our south-facing windows to help with that.
Pros and cons, need to think it through thoroughly when considering
applying something 

Re: [h-cost] Costumes in "War and Peace"

[Lavolta Press]

Oh sure, I just don't understand why some people think it's so much fun 
to get together and tear someone down. Which is really what's happening 
in a lot of those discussions. Some feel snarking is off limits with 
people they know, but the movie/TV industry is fair game.


Fran



On 1/5/2016 1:14 PM, annbw...@aol.com wrote:

If we all liked the same thing, there would only be vanilla ice cream, as they 
say.


Ann Wass



-Original Message-
From: Lavolta Press 
To: Historical Costume 
Sent: Tue, Jan 5, 2016 2:17 pm
Subject: Re: [h-cost] Costumes in "War and Peace"

I gave up on snarking at movie costumes many years ago.  Movies are
fiction. They are not documentaries, they are not meant to be
educational, and they are not made primarily for viewing by historic
reenactors. In many, much of the history itself is, at best, speculation.

I don't watch movies for the costumes. I watch them to see whether it's
good drama and looking for things to criticize just spoils the drama.
When I want solid information I look elsewhere. And really, some of the
Facebook discussions sound just like catty little junior-high girls
gleefully tearing down each other's clothes.

Fran
Lavolta Press
www.lavoltapress.com



On 1/5/2016 2:59 AM, annbw...@aol.com wrote:

Some of my Facebook friends are following. No one shoulder bare, or many, many, other 
things. I know it's theater, but even allowing for that, seems very weird. My opinion is, 
even though it is a story, it is based so firmly in a historical time and place, it seems 
downright strange to go off on such flights of fancy. Wonder if there will be a 
"making of" wherein it is explained?

Ann Wass



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Re: [h-cost] Victorian lace curtains (Re: What costume-related gifts did everyone get?)

[Christine Robb]

On Mon, Jan 04, 2016 at 11:40:40AM -0800, Lavolta Press wrote:
> When we bought our San Francisco house over 30 years ago, we papered my
> sewing room in J. R. Burrows William Morris wallpaper, still in wonderful
> condition and unfaded. I'm really hoping to sell to someone who sees the
> wallpaper as an asset rather than something weird to just paint over.  It
> doesn't conform to the decoration I see in most houses for sale, which tends
> to be beige, off-white, and modern.  As for our antique light fixtures,
> we're moving them all to the new house and putting up cheap replacements for
> sale.

We've uncovered some paintings on our walls that were buried under
wallpaper, and cleaned some others that had always been exposed but
become a bit grimy over the years.  So we hope for exactly the same
thing whenever we sell this house!  And we'll be taking almost all our
lights with us too.  Too bad we can't take the walls...  

Great to hear that the wallpaper has stood up to the test of time.
I'd love to use some, someday.
 
> The tablecloths actually look very good, although they are often heavier
> than commercial lace curtains. At $30 or so per tablecloth instead of $250
> or so per curtain, they're a deal. Being next to sunny windows, they'll rot
> out and need to be replaced every few years. I've been dealing with that
> forever in our San Francisco house.

We put window film in our south-facing windows to help with that.
Pros and cons, need to think it through thoroughly when considering
applying something permanent to original glass, and get a very good
quality film.  Even so, things fade, so yeah, not worth putting
expensive curtains on sunny windows.
 
> When we bought our San Francisco house, we got our hardware from a
> Rejuvenation print catalog, but I find their website hard to navigate. We've
> bought a lot of light switch plates and other hardware for our Sacramento
> house from http://www.houseofantiquehardware.com/, our cabinet hardware
> (kitchen, bathroom, and pantry doors) from http://www.rockler.com/ (if you
> search on terms like "stickley" and "arts and crafts" there's a lovely
> selection), and lots of antique door hardware and more antique light
> fixtures from eBay.  We buy antiques where we can find them, but it can be
> hard to get certain things as antiques when you want them. And we got some
> of our switch plates from this site:
> http://jamesmattson.com/collections/switchplates-bungalow-rose

Thank you.  I only had the first link (and apparently filed in my
bookmarks before I had the separate "hardware" section so have fixed
that); glad to have the others.  (btw, Rejuvenation still has print
catalogues if you ask.)

Good luck with the move and renovations.

Christine
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Re: [h-cost] Costumes in "War and Peace"

[annbwass]

If we all liked the same thing, there would only be vanilla ice cream, as they 
say.


Ann Wass



-Original Message-
From: Lavolta Press 
To: Historical Costume 
Sent: Tue, Jan 5, 2016 2:17 pm
Subject: Re: [h-cost] Costumes in "War and Peace"

I gave up on snarking at movie costumes many years ago.  Movies are 
fiction. They are not documentaries, they are not meant to be 
educational, and they are not made primarily for viewing by historic 
reenactors. In many, much of the history itself is, at best, speculation.

I don't watch movies for the costumes. I watch them to see whether it's 
good drama and looking for things to criticize just spoils the drama.  
When I want solid information I look elsewhere. And really, some of the 
Facebook discussions sound just like catty little junior-high girls 
gleefully tearing down each other's clothes.

Fran
Lavolta Press
www.lavoltapress.com



On 1/5/2016 2:59 AM, annbw...@aol.com wrote:
> Some of my Facebook friends are following. No one shoulder bare, or many, 
> many, other things. I know it's theater, but even allowing for that, seems 
> very weird. My opinion is, even though it is a story, it is based so firmly 
> in a historical time and place, it seems downright strange to go off on such 
> flights of fancy. Wonder if there will be a "making of" wherein it is 
> explained?
>
> Ann Wass
>
>

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