Re: [Haifux] Re: W2L coordination IRC meeting
On Sun, 15 Aug 2004, Alon Altman wrote: I can't make it Sunday 22:00. Can we delay to Monday, same time? Alon Monday is OK too. Adir. -- Haifa Linux Club Mailing List (http://www.haifux.org) To unsub send an empty message to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[Haifux] Fwd: [Gimp-developer] MA project: FS/OS Developer as a social Formation
This is a very nice survey about the social aspects of Open-Source. If you are an open-source developer or activists, please take the time to fill it. Best regards, Shlomi Fish -- Forwarded Message -- Subject: [Haifux] [Gimp-developer] MA project: FS/OS Developer as a social Formation Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2004 03:00 From: Sven Neumann [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi, just got a nice email asking me to point the GIMP developers to this online questionnaire: http://userpage.fu-berlin.de/~egal/ It's a study on the social cohesion between developers and aims to grasp them as a social whole. I think we should all participate so we can learn a bit about ourselves... Sven ___ Gimp-developer mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer --- -- - Shlomi Fish [EMAIL PROTECTED] Homepage:http://shlomif.il.eu.org/ Knuth is not God! It took him two days to build the Roman Empire. -- Haifa Linux Club Mailing List (http://www.haifux.org) To unsub send an empty message to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Haifux] Knoppix3.4 as installation CD for W2L
On Sun, 15 Aug 2004, Ronen Abravanel wrote: On Sunday 15 August 2004 08:59, Adir Abraham wrote: On Sat, 14 Aug 2004, Shlomi Loubaton wrote: * Kernel 2.6.6 This kernel made a lot of problems as much as I remember.. Any chance to change it to 2.6.7? I Guss it depends of Knopper... I thought that he was talking about a redistributed version. I guess I was mistaken. -- Haifa Linux Club Mailing List (http://www.haifux.org) To unsub send an empty message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Haifa Linux Club Mailing List (http://www.haifux.org) To unsub send an empty message to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[Haifux] Re: Knoppix3.4 as installation CD for W2L
On Sat, 14 Aug 2004 05:44, Shlomi Loubaton wrote: Greetings to all the geeky boys and nerdy gals! Hey it's either geeky boys and geeky girls, or nerdy guys and nerdy gals. Or the cross-product. After I spent some time thinking about what i heard from you in the last W2L preparation meeting regarding installation distro i think that we should consider using Knoppix3.4 because of the following reasons: * Knoppix3.4 has the best automatic hardware detection abilities I've ever seen. So does Mandrake and RedHat. * Captive-NTFS installer A plus, but I think we can re-partition anyway. Captive NTFS is a bit evil because it is slower. * can be remastered by us to change whatever we like (bookmarks, desktop, hebrew, fonts, iwiz, whatever). Right. You can also customize Mandrake (re Ehad) and Fedora. They are all open-source distributions. * easy to use, graphical harddisk installer. * Kernel 2.6.6 * After reading in the Knoppix.net forums, i noticed that most SATA problems were solved, only a few users still had problems and mostly because they chose 2.4 kernels or used old Knoppix versions. * Installation process is VERY fast. * Only one CD needed. * You can test the hardware support before you install it. * It's a live CD which is usable for other stuff too and good to have around. I know some of you said that Debian is not a good distro for n00bs but the facts are: * few of my friends who were total linux n00bs were able to install knoppix and they are very happy with the results. * My first distro was RedHat, but it never made me fall in love with linux, Mandrake did. but Mandrake never made me abandon M$ for good. Debian did. Well, Mandrake has made _me_ abandon MS for good. I only use Windows when I have to, and don't enjoy the experience much. Besides, Gilad Ben-Yossef, for example, uses Debian for servers, but Mandrake on his home computer. Mandrake is a very nice distribution. * Just a few days ago i helped a friend who installed RH9 for unknown reason, he said it's yucky and doesn't feel good but after just a few hours of configuring, setting Hebrew, getting rid of the ugly Curve theme, updating to KDE3.2.3 and setting it as default Desktop, he was VERY happy with his new Desktop and started asking me migration questions :) ^^^ too much work ^^^ Possibly. RH 9 had a lot of issues. As far as I know the only ones in Mandrake 10.0 are regarding Internet connectivity. And RH 9 has seen its end of life already. The reasons why we decided on Mandrake/RedHat instead of Debian is: 1. Debian, from what I tried (and I could be wrong) has a different way of doing things than MDK/RH. No /etc/rc.d/init/; /etc/apache instead of /etc/httpd. No separate file for Xmodmap. A lot of the advice given by people won't work here. And many times we can find newbies helping other newbies, which is something we need to encourage. This is the case for the latest Debian Stable. Maybe it's better in testing, but I can't tell. Care to enlighten me? 2. Debian gives you three choices: * Stable - a system with very few bugs. The problem is that it is quite out-of-date when it's released, and even more so after a year or two. I'm not sure I can recommend it for desktop use. * Testing - a system which aims to be the next stable. Probably the best choice, but gets many updates. * Unstable - the bleeding edge. Probably a poor choice for newbies because of the huge bandwidth consumption. None of them is too ideal. 3. There are much more nifty configuration tools and glue in Mandrake/RedHat. ESR recently ranted about the dysfunctionality of the CUPS configuration tool. I never noticed it because I used Mandrake's printerdrake, which is super-intuitive. 4. Debian is good as a first distribution only if you have a resident guru nearby to help you if something breaks. (IMHO, at least). RH/MDK allow people to make sense of them more easily. 5. The Debian folks release a version every 3 years or so. (or more). I'd rather not tell people to use unstable at this point. -- If we want to enjoy both worlds we can try MandrakeMove. (note: I've never tried it). I don't think Debian is there yet when it comes to being a first distribution. I recall the time two newbies came from afar carrying their computer and a bootload of the Debian CDs, asking why Debian was not working. Muli had to configure X and add a symbolic link to get it to work properly. I talked with them sometime later. They thought that Debian was the only free-as-in-speech distribution around (completely not realizing that was the case for Mandrake, RedHat, Connectiva, etc.), and they did not know it was perfectly legal to sell free software for money. There's too much hype around Debian. So I say we go with either Mandrake or Fedora (or MandrakeMove) - whichever proves to be more suitable until then. Regards, Shlomi Fish --
[Haifux] Reattempt: W2L coordination IRC meeting
Hi guys (and girls), Let's make some order. Tommorow (Monday) - we are going to celebrate the 5th birthday of Haifux. I suppose that afterwards we will want to go somewhere to eat. I quite doubt that it that we will be able to make it on time, meeting virtually at 22:00 in IRC. What I suggest is one of the following: 1) To make the virtual meeting in reality, that is during, or after the restaurant (not recommended in my opinion. We have people who might wait for us in IRC as we settled, and doing it in the restaurant... hmm). 2) To delay the meeting to 23:00-23:30. We can also settle a dedicated topic for this purpose in #w2l, so at worst, people will wait for us (Orna took the channel first, so she can change the topic so everybody will know). 3) To postpone it to some other time (and let's start discussing about the time once again...) Please choose your weapon. My favorite choice is 2. Don't forget: irc.inter.net.il, channel #w2l Regards, Adir. -- Haifa Linux Club Mailing List (http://www.haifux.org) To unsub send an empty message to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[Haifux] Re: Reattempt: W2L coordination IRC meeting
On Sun, 15 Aug 2004, Adir Abraham wrote: Hi guys (and girls), Let's make some order. Tommorow (Monday) - we are going to celebrate the 5th birthday of Haifux. I suppose that afterwards we will want to go somewhere to eat. I quite doubt that it that we will be able to make it on time, meeting virtually at 22:00 in IRC. What I suggest is one of the following: 1) To make the virtual meeting in reality, that is during, or after the restaurant (not recommended in my opinion. We have people who might wait for us in IRC as we settled, and doing it in the restaurant... hmm). 2) To delay the meeting to 23:00-23:30. We can also settle a dedicated topic for this purpose in #w2l, so at worst, people will wait for us (Orna took the channel first, so she can change the topic so everybody will know). 3) To postpone it to some other time (and let's start discussing about the time once again...) Please choose your weapon. My favorite choice is 2. Don't forget: irc.inter.net.il, channel #w2l Regards, Adir. I suggest Tuesday, 22:00. If we begin at 23:00 we will not finish before midnight. And some people need to be up at 06:30. Good Night, Orna. -- Orna Agmon http://vipe.technion.ac.il/~ladypine/ ICQ: 348759096 -- Haifa Linux Club Mailing List (http://www.haifux.org) To unsub send an empty message to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[Haifux] Re: Reattempt: W2L coordination IRC meeting
On Sun, 15 Aug 2004, Orna Agmon wrote: I suggest Tuesday, 22:00. Tuesday is too bad for me. Anybody objects for Thursday? I still believe that we should do something tomorrow... we can start doing things at 23:00, and continue later another day. What we already know is that we should meet tomorrow (today) at 22:00.. This is what we agreed in the first place. We can start meeting at 23:00 (setting an appropriate topic about it before), and at midnight we should decide on another day, while we're all there. I'm not sure how many people read emails tonight and will be able to give an answer immidiately. And some people need to be up at 06:30. I am one of these people. Good Night, Orna. -- Haifa Linux Club Mailing List (http://www.haifux.org) To unsub send an empty message to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Haifux] Re: Reattempt: W2L coordination IRC meeting
Tue is bad. There is Tapuz forum meeting in TA, which will end only at about 22:00+, so I won't make it till 23:30 for sure. Wed, anyone? If not, we could do it around weekend. Friday evening (anyone objects to it in person? Don't give this "there might be religious guys". If there're any, he/she should object for themselves), or Sat afternoon/evening. Ez Adir Abraham wrote: On Sun, 15 Aug 2004, Orna Agmon wrote: I suggest Tuesday, 22:00. Tuesday is too bad for me. Anybody objects for Thursday? I still believe that we should do something tomorrow... we can start doing things at 23:00, and continue later another day. What we already know is that we should meet tomorrow (today) at 22:00.. This is what we agreed in the first place. We can start meeting at 23:00 (setting an appropriate topic about it before), and at midnight we should decide on another day, while we're all there. I'm not sure how many people read emails tonight and will be able to give an answer immidiately. And some people need to be up at 06:30. I am one of these people. Good Night, Orna. -- Haifa Linux Club Mailing List (http://www.haifux.org) To unsub send an empty message to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[Haifux] Knoppix3.4 as installation CD for W2L
NOTE: This email bounced back so i'm sending again. Greetings After I spent some time thinking about what i heard from you in the last W2L preparation meeting regarding installation distro i think that we should consider using Knoppix3.4 because of the following reasons: * Knoppix3.4 has the best automatic hardware detection abilities I've ever seen. * Captive-NTFS installer * can be remastered by us to change whatever we like (bookmarks, desktop, hebrew, fonts, iwiz, whatever). * easy to use, graphical harddisk installer. * Kernel 2.6.6 * After reading in the Knoppix.net forums, i noticed that most SATA problems were solved, only a few users still had problems and mostly because they chose 2.4 kernels or used old Knoppix versions. * Installation process is VERY fast. * Only one CD needed. * You can test the hardware support before you install it. * It's a live CD which is usable for other stuff too and good to have around. I know some of you said that Debian is not a good distro for n00bs but the facts are: * few of my friends who were total linux n00bs were able to install knoppix and they are very happy with the results. * My first distro was RedHat, but it never made me fall in love with linux, Mandrake did. but Mandrake never made me abandon M$ for good. Debian did. * Just a few days ago i helped a friend who installed RH9 for unknown reason, he said it's yucky and doesn't feel good but after just a few hours of configuring, setting Hebrew, getting rid of the ugly Curve theme, updating to KDE3.2.3 and setting it as default Desktop, he was VERY happy with his new Desktop and started asking me migration questions :) ^^^ too much work ^^^ I know some of you might say RH is the standard and maybe we should consider providing an option to choose between Fedora or Knoppix installation. You may agree or disagree with me but I intend to create a new Kazit version anyway during this summer, based on knoppix3.4 since my Morphix remasters seems to be less stable for now so you have time to decide. Morphix remasters (KaziX, MiniKazit) are easy to work with and maintain (for me) and i can create a remaster in a matter of few hours, but it seems (at least for me) that there are still many installation problems (usually silly Grub setting problems), and a few hardware support problems, which Knoppix seems to deal with just fine. Regards, Shlomi Loubaton. -- Haifa Linux Club Mailing List (http://www.haifux.org) To unsub send an empty message to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
