Re: [ilugd] [OT] Need help choosing a processor Intel or AMD
VIKAS RATHEE wrote: i suggest u should go for nte products the simple reson being that intel uses more cache size than the AMD which AMD compensates with more clock speed which does not in any case can give the benefit or larger cache size .. so i would suggest intel to you not everything in life boils down to cache size. I would suggest you do some ground research first. -- Karanbir Singh : http://www.karan.org/ : [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - September 28-29, 2007 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] [OT] Need help choosing a processor Intel or AMD
--- Karanbir Singh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: VIKAS RATHEE wrote: i suggest u should go for nte products the simple reson being that intel uses more cache size than the AMD which AMD compensates with more clock speed which does not in any case can give the benefit or larger cache size .. so i would suggest intel to you Intel's FSB architecture is a bottleneck but they may have overcome this with dual core etc. AMD does seem slower when compared with same clock speed Intel, cache definitely plays a significant role. Intel has come up with low power CPUs that can be considered. AMD may be better where 64 bit processing is required. My 2c. Regards, --Naresh Fussy? Opinionated? Impossible to please? Perfect. Join Yahoo!'s user panel and lay it on us. http://surveylink.yahoo.com/gmrs/yahoo_panel_invite.asp?a=7 ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - September 28-29, 2007 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] [OT] Need help choosing a processor Intel or AMD
[snip] i also feel the time has come to redefine 'throughput' more carefully than just look at raw computing power. on several machines running gnulinux, have noted the swap setting can at times slow down performance. tinkering with 'low latency' settings in ubuntustudio just shows how every OS needs to switch to saffola ;-) your application may just define how you wish to define your hardware configuration. all too often, hi-speed ram and in the right generous amounts can bring significant speeds. hey! you all know the stuff, but the point is, where is the quick 'n neat reference on the web or elsewhere so new-bhais (!) know how to custom-configure their machines, save money on a cpu purchase, and offset that with other components for a faster digital ecosystem? time for a new thread, forum, or hopefully, a wiki? :-) niyam ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - September 28-29, 2007 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] [OT] Need help choosing a processor Intel or AMD
Wonder if we could have a site that will allow a user to customise a system in such a way that, as you add/change components, you get to see meters on how the cost changes, how its performace changes, and how its compatibility with linux changes. Wonder if any such thing exists already!! Vikas On Fri, Oct 12, 2007 at 11:04:05AM +0530, Linux Lingam wrote: [snip] i also feel the time has come to redefine 'throughput' more carefully than just look at raw computing power. on several machines running gnulinux, have noted the swap setting can at times slow down performance. tinkering with 'low latency' settings in ubuntustudio just shows how every OS needs to switch to saffola ;-) your application may just define how you wish to define your hardware configuration. all too often, hi-speed ram and in the right generous amounts can bring significant speeds. hey! you all know the stuff, but the point is, where is the quick 'n neat reference on the web or elsewhere so new-bhais (!) know how to custom-configure their machines, save money on a cpu purchase, and offset that with other components for a faster digital ecosystem? time for a new thread, forum, or hopefully, a wiki? :-) niyam ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - September 28-29, 2007 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/ ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - September 28-29, 2007 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] [OT] Need help choosing a processor Intel or AMD
On 10/7/07, Subhashish [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Rohit I think technology wise both are almost on the same boat, but quality wise Intel has unmatched reputation. I personally suggest you to go to http://www.tomshardware.com site to know more about Intel vs Amd.Other sites are http://reviews.zdnet.co.uk/hardware/components/0,101694,39233885,00.htm and at last http://www.hothardware.com/Articles/Intel_VIIV_vs_AMD_LIVE1/ I think defferent factors should be 1. Price 2. Performance (PP) Well, I have gone through some painful experiences with AMD and now sticking to intel by default. As AMD based mobo tend to get obselete from grey market very soon. But on the other hand after the ATI specfications are open , You will soon finds all games roaring on ATI based Graphics card with free drivers. But again that could be used on Intel Chipsets too :) from my views +1 on intel solutions -- See you at 'Freed.in - freedom in technology software' - India's leading free and open source community event. 28- 29 September 2007, New Delhi. Entry free, on first come basis. Register at http://Freed.in Linux User #348873 ILUGD General Secretary, GZLUG Moderator RKGIT Alumni(Guiding Light) Software Engineer , UnitedVillages http://gauravmishra.info/blog When i can run , i will run , When i can walk , i will walk, When i can crawl , i will crawl. But i will not stop moving forward ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - September 28-29, 2007 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] [OT] Need help choosing a processor Intel or AMD
Rohit Kumar wrote: I have heard and read a little about the intel series(extreme/core 2/dual core) and also got to know about the unavailability of intel extreme as of now. :-( how about the 6600 quad core ? is that available at the moment ? Its by far the best bang-for-the-buck you can get in the UK / US markets at the moment. And AMD really does not have anything in the same league. But then /me just widened the scope by thinking about AMD. look at it this way, in most cases where you need to push loads of data, AMD tends to be the better choice, if you need to push clock cycles, Intel does. I have no info on how good (or bad) linux runs on AMD. works fine, and you will get support for pretty much everything that might even be AMD specific like amd-v etc. But have read on forums that AMD is actually far ahead of intel. only in some areas, not everywhere :) but one place it is better is pushing data. So if you are looking at things like Databases, playing movies, playing games etc - AMD would definitely score higher than its corresponding intel chip at the same price point. btw, dont always believe it when people say AMD chips are cheaper than Intel ones - Compare chips that cost the same amount of money, and take cost out of the equation completely. Its the only way you can make a fair comparison on what you get. -- Karanbir Singh : http://www.karan.org/ : [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - September 28-29, 2007 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] [OT] Need help choosing a processor Intel or AMD
hi i suggest u should go for nte products the simple reson being that intel uses more cache size than the AMD which AMD compensates with more clock speed which does not in any case can give the benefit or larger cache size .. so i would suggest intel to you vikas On 10/6/07, Karanbir Singh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rohit Kumar wrote: I have heard and read a little about the intel series(extreme/core 2/dual core) and also got to know about the unavailability of intel extreme as of now. :-( how about the 6600 quad core ? is that available at the moment ? Its by far the best bang-for-the-buck you can get in the UK / US markets at the moment. And AMD really does not have anything in the same league. But then /me just widened the scope by thinking about AMD. look at it this way, in most cases where you need to push loads of data, AMD tends to be the better choice, if you need to push clock cycles, Intel does. I have no info on how good (or bad) linux runs on AMD. works fine, and you will get support for pretty much everything that might even be AMD specific like amd-v etc. But have read on forums that AMD is actually far ahead of intel. only in some areas, not everywhere :) but one place it is better is pushing data. So if you are looking at things like Databases, playing movies, playing games etc - AMD would definitely score higher than its corresponding intel chip at the same price point. btw, dont always believe it when people say AMD chips are cheaper than Intel ones - Compare chips that cost the same amount of money, and take cost out of the equation completely. Its the only way you can make a fair comparison on what you get. -- Karanbir Singh : http://www.karan.org/ : [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - September 28-29, 2007 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/ -- Regards Vikas Rathee ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - September 28-29, 2007 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] [OT] Need help choosing a processor Intel or AMD
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 ,--[ On Fri, Oct 05, 2007 at 02:42:21PM +0530, Sandip Bhattacharya wrote: | -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- | Hash: SHA1 | | Rohit Kumar wrote: | But then /me just widened the scope by thinking about AMD. | I have no info on how good (or bad) linux runs on AMD. | But have read on forums that AMD is actually far ahead of intel. | | Please help me choose a good processor. :-) | | | For most of the people, the choice of the make of processors doesn't | make any worthwhile difference(no matter how some folks would scream at | you to believe). Go for any, suitable in your budget. Computers anyway | have to be upgraded every 2-3 years. At the end of the day, probably the | make and type of your power supply and cabinet, influences the life of | your machine more than the processor itself would. | | My advice would be to never buy the latest and greatest(always too | expensive to be worth it) processor. Settle down on a brand, take a look | at the 2-3 processors at the midrange, make a call on the | price/clock/feature balance,buy it and then worry most on getting a good | cabinet,good power supply and power backup. The money you will save on | the processor is better put into a good cabinet which can keep your | processor healthy, as well as a good power supply. | | Most folks(like me till a short while back) have unnecessarily obsessed | over the processor than the cabinet/power supply. e.g. look at this | cabinet[1]. Wouldn't you like one like this which will keep your PC | really cool(3 fans, 2 just to cool the hard disks), keep out the | dust(with the dust filter, and remain quiet with its soundproof insides? | You would be able to buy this with just the money you save from *not* | buying an unnecessarily high end processor, or even a different make of | processor. True. I also suggest, get a good SMPS as most of the SMPS which comes with normal desktop cabinets (costing around INR 1,000-1,200) don't give you the rated output power and not even continuous output, resulting in HD/CD/DVD drives restarting in between. And also recommended, if you're going to use SATA disks. Since SATA disks require a separate power connector for powering SATA disks. These connectors are also of not good quality. So get a good SMPS like Cooler Master, or Amigo etc. These SMPS cost you more, but comes with a builtin SATA power connectors, rated output power. | | [1] http://www.antec.com/us/productDetails.php?ProdID=15136 | | - - Sandip HTH Ashish Shukla - -- Ashish Shukla Wah Java !! आशीष शुक्ल weblog: http://wahjava.wordpress.com/ ,= ,-_-. =. | DRMs are often designed by ambitious, well-funded consortia, | ((_/)o o(\_)) | with top-notch engineers from every corner of the industry. | `-'(. .)`-' | They spend millions. They take years. They are defeated in | \_/ | days, for pennies, by hobbyists.- Cory Doctorow | We've so many people in India, that we're able to route each network packet manually. - nobotz to wahjava -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFHB6ZGHy+EEHYuXnQRAjzHAJ0TChWOnHvF4sAfKnq9Veutp9/90QCfUzxf zryrf7yGH1RYkIeX0tXQdBU= =8Rwq -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - September 28-29, 2007 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] [OT] Need help choosing a processor Intel or AMD
Hi Rohit I think technology wise both are almost on the same boat, but quality wise Intel has unmatched reputation. I personally suggest you to go to http://www.tomshardware.com site to know more about Intel vs Amd.Other sites are http://reviews.zdnet.co.uk/hardware/components/0,101694,39233885,00.htm and at last http://www.hothardware.com/Articles/Intel_VIIV_vs_AMD_LIVE1/ I think defferent factors should be 1. Price 2. Performance (PP) Regards Subhashish 9810066028 On 10/5/07, Rohit Kumar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Greetings all, I am in the mode of upgrading my home system.I have all the software ready, but need to be spot on when choosing the hardware. I have heard and read a little about the intel series(extreme/core 2/dual core) and also got to know about the unavailability of intel extreme as of now. :-( But then /me just widened the scope by thinking about AMD. I have no info on how good (or bad) linux runs on AMD. But have read on forums that AMD is actually far ahead of intel. Please help me choose a good processor. :-) thanks, rohit. ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - September 28-29, 2007 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/ -- Regards, Subhashish ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - September 28-29, 2007 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] [OT] Need help choosing a processor Intel or AMD
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Rohit Kumar wrote: But then /me just widened the scope by thinking about AMD. I have no info on how good (or bad) linux runs on AMD. But have read on forums that AMD is actually far ahead of intel. Please help me choose a good processor. :-) For most of the people, the choice of the make of processors doesn't make any worthwhile difference(no matter how some folks would scream at you to believe). Go for any, suitable in your budget. Computers anyway have to be upgraded every 2-3 years. At the end of the day, probably the make and type of your power supply and cabinet, influences the life of your machine more than the processor itself would. My advice would be to never buy the latest and greatest(always too expensive to be worth it) processor. Settle down on a brand, take a look at the 2-3 processors at the midrange, make a call on the price/clock/feature balance,buy it and then worry most on getting a good cabinet,good power supply and power backup. The money you will save on the processor is better put into a good cabinet which can keep your processor healthy, as well as a good power supply. Most folks(like me till a short while back) have unnecessarily obsessed over the processor than the cabinet/power supply. e.g. look at this cabinet[1]. Wouldn't you like one like this which will keep your PC really cool(3 fans, 2 just to cool the hard disks), keep out the dust(with the dust filter, and remain quiet with its soundproof insides? You would be able to buy this with just the money you save from *not* buying an unnecessarily high end processor, or even a different make of processor. [1] http://www.antec.com/us/productDetails.php?ProdID=15136 - - Sandip -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHBf/0i56Vv57xoeERAuxJAKCQtXKw35lUXh2Egd9lpMdRYth5rQCgpucO rZUWbp6T5mDnDhPonJImTjM= =VgBv -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - September 28-29, 2007 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] [OT] Need help choosing a processor Intel or AMD
On 05/10/2007, Sandip Bhattacharya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Rohit Kumar wrote: But then /me just widened the scope by thinking about AMD. I have no info on how good (or bad) linux runs on AMD. But have read on forums that AMD is actually far ahead of intel. Please help me choose a good processor. :-) For most of the people, the choice of the make of processors doesn't make any worthwhile difference(no matter how some folks would scream at you to believe). Go for any, suitable in your budget. Computers anyway have to be upgraded every 2-3 years. At the end of the day, probably the make and type of your power supply and cabinet, influences the life of your machine more than the processor itself would. My advice would be to never buy the latest and greatest(always too expensive to be worth it) processor. Settle down on a brand, take a look at the 2-3 processors at the midrange, make a call on the price/clock/feature balance,buy it and then worry most on getting a good cabinet,good power supply and power backup. The money you will save on the processor is better put into a good cabinet which can keep your processor healthy, as well as a good power supply. Most folks(like me till a short while back) have unnecessarily obsessed over the processor than the cabinet/power supply. e.g. look at this cabinet[1]. Wouldn't you like one like this which will keep your PC really cool(3 fans, 2 just to cool the hard disks), keep out the dust(with the dust filter, and remain quiet with its soundproof insides? You would be able to buy this with just the money you save from *not* buying an unnecessarily high end processor, or even a different make of processor. [1] http://www.antec.com/us/productDetails.php?ProdID=15136 - - Sandip -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHBf/0i56Vv57xoeERAuxJAKCQtXKw35lUXh2Egd9lpMdRYth5rQCgpucO rZUWbp6T5mDnDhPonJImTjM= =VgBv -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - September 28-29, 2007 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/ amd works really fine Gurpreet Singh Bhatia B.Tech.(CSE- Final yr) RKGIT,Ghaziabad Linux registered user #454300 Ubuntu User number # 17392 ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - September 28-29, 2007 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] [OT] Need help choosing a processor Intel or AMD
running an amd linux box since 2 years.works great -- I m a gr8 believer in luck and I find the harder I try the more I have of it Abhinav Sahai R.KG.I.T Ghaziabad 4th Yr CSE Linux User # 438077 Moderator Ghaziabad LUG http://sahaitherocker.blogspot.com http://flickr.com/photos/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/?saved=1 ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - September 28-29, 2007 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] [OT] Need help choosing a processor Intel or AMD
hi, [snip] But have read on forums that AMD is actually far ahead of intel. Please help me choose a good processor. :-) thanks, rohit. this is your friendly help: http://anandtech.com/ :-) niyam ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - September 28-29, 2007 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
