Re: [JAWS-Users] Print view in MS word

[Adrian Spratt]

Brian, 

This is useful information, as always, but it does seem a bit complicated. When 
I do a control-f search, JAWS reads the current line as soon as the result is 
found. It's critical not to press any key until JAWS has verbalized that line, 
or else JAWS gives only the option to search for the next result, with an 
indication of the total number of results for that search in the document. 

Having heard the line of text, I have two options. Either I press the spacebar 
to move to the next result or press escape to go to re-read and possibly edit 
the text. As you explain, the control-f search doesn't land you directly in the 
text field.

If I elected to stop the search to check that text but then decide to continue 
searching for that same item, I press control-f again. The same search term is 
still there, so I just press enter. I'm taken to the next instance of that 
search term. Once again, the current line of text is verbalized, and I have the 
same two choices: press escape to go into the text or press spacebar to resume 
searching.

The alternative, of course, is a JAWS find, adding the JAWS key to control-f. 
In this case, JAWS stays in the text when it finds a result, so you can edit 
right away. To resume searching for the same term, press JAWS key-F3.

Each type of search, Microsoft's and JAWS's, has advantages. 

I'm afraid this doesn't address John's concern that the escape key no longer 
cancels his search operations. I don't have an answer for that. 

I'm using Office 2010, JAWS 18 (last but one release) and Win7.

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Of Brian Lee
Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2017 11:06 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Print view in MS word

Hello John,

It is really best to work in print view when using Word.  Keystrokes such as 
Alt key with delete report the distance in inches between the cursor position 
and the edge of the paper.  As you tab you also hear the distance from the left 
edge of the paper.  When JAWS says that the cursor is one inch from the left, 
this indicates there is a one-inch margin.  Working in print view gives you a 
lot better understanding of how your document will appear when printed.  

In Word 2010, CTRL with F does not perform the traditional Find command and 
take focus into the Find tab of the Find and Replace dialog box.  CTRL with F 
takes focus into the navigation pane.  You can do a search in the navigation 
pane and use the next button to go from result to result but to get into the 
document to read the result you need to use shift key with F6.
After reviewing the result you can use F6 to go back into the navigation pane 
and use the Next button again.  In order to return the CTRL with F to launching 
the Find and Replace dialog box you need to apply the keystroke to
the Editfind command.   

1.  Press Alt F to display the File tab of the ribbon.
2.  Press Alt T to display Word Options. 
3.  Use down arrow key in the categories of options until you get to
Customize Ribbon. 
4.  Tab until you find the Customize button and use spacebar.  
5.  In the Categories list move focus to the Home Tab.
6.  In the Commands list locate EditFind.  You can press the letter E
and then use down arrow until you get to it.  Press enter key.
7.  Use the tab key to the Press New Shortcut Key box.  
8.  Press CTRL+F.  A message in the box shows that the keystroke is
being used for a different command.  
9.  Tab to and press spacebar on the Assign button.
10. Tab to the Close button and use spacebar.
11. Tab to OK and press spacebar.  

I am not sure but you might need to restart Word for the change to apply.

Take care.

Brian Lee
brianl...@charter.net

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From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf 
Of John R. Vaughn
Sent: April 13, 2017 6:31 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] Print view in MS word

List, having a couple of issues,

Running windows 10, Office 2010 and latest jaws 18 on a Toshiba laptop: 

1. When I bring up a Word document, jaws announces the name of the document and 
at the end says "print view"

Do we want to have documents in print view?  Seems like there was a setting in 
options to change this by checking or unchecking a check box with the space 
bar. Unless I am remembering incorrectly, seems like print view had some issues 
and we were advised to not use print view.

2. When I bring up the find dialogue with Control key plus letter F, after I 
have done my search, I cannot get the dialogue to close so I can reload the 
Find command to look for something else in the Word document. My sighted wife 
says she has to click an X next to the name being searched to close the find 
dialogue.  Seems like we used to be able to use the "escape key" to dismiss the 
find dialogue.

Thanks for any help.

John

That 

Re: [JAWS-Users] Print view in MS word

[Justin Williams]

I thought he said that control f worke, but not escape.
 How do you make the escape work?
 Or, do I have that wrong? I might have that wrong.
 justin

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Behalf Of Brian Lee
Sent: Friday, April 14, 2017 12:03 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Print view in MS word

Correction:

In step 6 of the steps I gave to change CTRL F to apply to the EditFind
command, I said that you should press enter key when you find the EditFind
command in the list of commands.  That is not correct.  Simply tab to the
Press New Shortcut Key box.  The revised steps are shown below:  

1.  Press Alt F to display the File tab of the ribbon.
2.  Press Alt T to display Word Options. 
3.  Use down arrow key in the categories of options until you get to
Customize Ribbon. 
4.  Tab until you find the Customize button and use spacebar.  
5.  In the Categories list move focus to the Home Tab.
6.  In the Commands list locate EditFind.  You can press the letter E
and then use down arrow until you get to it.   
7.  Use the tab key to the Press New Shortcut Key box.  
8.  Press CTRL+F.  A message in the box shows that the keystroke is
being used for a different command.  
9.  Tab to and press spacebar on the Assign button.
10. Tab to the Close button and use spacebar.
11. Tab to OK and press spacebar.  

I am not sure but you might need to restart Word for the change to apply.
Brian Lee
brianl...@charter.net

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Brian Lee
Sent: April 13, 2017 8:06 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Print view in MS word

Hello John,

It is really best to work in print view when using Word.  Keystrokes such as
Alt key with delete report the distance in inches between the cursor
position and the edge of the paper.  As you tab you also hear the distance
from the left edge of the paper.  When JAWS says that the cursor is one inch
from the left, this indicates there is a one-inch margin.  Working in print
view gives you a lot better understanding of how your document will appear
when printed.  

In Word 2010, CTRL with F does not perform the traditional Find command and
take focus into the Find tab of the Find and Replace dialog box.  CTRL with
F takes focus into the navigation pane.  You can do a search in the
navigation pane and use the next button to go from result to result but to
get into the document to read the result you need to use shift key with F6.
After reviewing the result you can use F6 to go back into the navigation
pane and use the Next button again.  In order to return the CTRL with F to
launching the Find and Replace dialog box you need to apply the keystroke to
the Editfind command.   

1.  Press Alt F to display the File tab of the ribbon.
2.  Press Alt T to display Word Options. 
3.  Use down arrow key in the categories of options until you get to
Customize Ribbon. 
4.  Tab until you find the Customize button and use spacebar.  
5.  In the Categories list move focus to the Home Tab.
6.  In the Commands list locate EditFind.  You can press the letter E
and then use down arrow until you get to it.  Press enter key.
7.  Use the tab key to the Press New Shortcut Key box.  
8.  Press CTRL+F.  A message in the box shows that the keystroke is
being used for a different command.  
9.  Tab to and press spacebar on the Assign button.
10. Tab to the Close button and use spacebar.
11. Tab to OK and press spacebar.  

I am not sure but you might need to restart Word for the change to apply.

Take care.

Brian Lee
brianl...@charter.net

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of John R. Vaughn
Sent: April 13, 2017 6:31 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] Print view in MS word

List, having a couple of issues,

Running windows 10, Office 2010 and latest jaws 18 on a Toshiba laptop: 

1. When I bring up a Word document, jaws announces the name of the document
and at the end says "print view"

Do we want to have documents in print view?  Seems like there was a setting
in options to change this by checking or unchecking a check box with the
space bar. Unless I am remembering incorrectly, seems like print view had
some issues and we were advised to not use print view.

2. When I bring up the find dialogue with Control key plus letter F, after I
have done my search, I cannot get the dialogue to close so I can reload the
Find command to look for something else in the Word document. My sighted
wife says she has to click an X next to the name being searched to close the
find dialogue.  Seems like we used to be able to use the "escape key" to
dismiss the find dialogue.

Thanks for any help.

John

That said, I have no problem using 

Re: [JAWS-Users] Print view in MS word

[Brian Lee]

Correction:

In step 6 of the steps I gave to change CTRL F to apply to the EditFind
command, I said that you should press enter key when you find the EditFind
command in the list of commands.  That is not correct.  Simply tab to the
Press New Shortcut Key box.  The revised steps are shown below:  

1.  Press Alt F to display the File tab of the ribbon.
2.  Press Alt T to display Word Options. 
3.  Use down arrow key in the categories of options until you get to
Customize Ribbon. 
4.  Tab until you find the Customize button and use spacebar.  
5.  In the Categories list move focus to the Home Tab.
6.  In the Commands list locate EditFind.  You can press the letter E
and then use down arrow until you get to it.   
7.  Use the tab key to the Press New Shortcut Key box.  
8.  Press CTRL+F.  A message in the box shows that the keystroke is
being used for a different command.  
9.  Tab to and press spacebar on the Assign button.
10. Tab to the Close button and use spacebar.
11. Tab to OK and press spacebar.  

I am not sure but you might need to restart Word for the change to apply.
Brian Lee
brianl...@charter.net

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Brian Lee
Sent: April 13, 2017 8:06 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Print view in MS word

Hello John,

It is really best to work in print view when using Word.  Keystrokes such as
Alt key with delete report the distance in inches between the cursor
position and the edge of the paper.  As you tab you also hear the distance
from the left edge of the paper.  When JAWS says that the cursor is one inch
from the left, this indicates there is a one-inch margin.  Working in print
view gives you a lot better understanding of how your document will appear
when printed.  

In Word 2010, CTRL with F does not perform the traditional Find command and
take focus into the Find tab of the Find and Replace dialog box.  CTRL with
F takes focus into the navigation pane.  You can do a search in the
navigation pane and use the next button to go from result to result but to
get into the document to read the result you need to use shift key with F6.
After reviewing the result you can use F6 to go back into the navigation
pane and use the Next button again.  In order to return the CTRL with F to
launching the Find and Replace dialog box you need to apply the keystroke to
the Editfind command.   

1.  Press Alt F to display the File tab of the ribbon.
2.  Press Alt T to display Word Options. 
3.  Use down arrow key in the categories of options until you get to
Customize Ribbon. 
4.  Tab until you find the Customize button and use spacebar.  
5.  In the Categories list move focus to the Home Tab.
6.  In the Commands list locate EditFind.  You can press the letter E
and then use down arrow until you get to it.  Press enter key.
7.  Use the tab key to the Press New Shortcut Key box.  
8.  Press CTRL+F.  A message in the box shows that the keystroke is
being used for a different command.  
9.  Tab to and press spacebar on the Assign button.
10. Tab to the Close button and use spacebar.
11. Tab to OK and press spacebar.  

I am not sure but you might need to restart Word for the change to apply.

Take care.

Brian Lee
brianl...@charter.net

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of John R. Vaughn
Sent: April 13, 2017 6:31 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] Print view in MS word

List, having a couple of issues,

Running windows 10, Office 2010 and latest jaws 18 on a Toshiba laptop: 

1. When I bring up a Word document, jaws announces the name of the document
and at the end says "print view"

Do we want to have documents in print view?  Seems like there was a setting
in options to change this by checking or unchecking a check box with the
space bar. Unless I am remembering incorrectly, seems like print view had
some issues and we were advised to not use print view.

2. When I bring up the find dialogue with Control key plus letter F, after I
have done my search, I cannot get the dialogue to close so I can reload the
Find command to look for something else in the Word document. My sighted
wife says she has to click an X next to the name being searched to close the
find dialogue.  Seems like we used to be able to use the "escape key" to
dismiss the find dialogue.

Thanks for any help.

John

That said, I have no problem using the Jaws find command of jaws key plus
control key and letter f.

Has the operation of the find function been changed? I used to use office
2003. 

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For answers to frequently asked questions about 

Re: [JAWS-Users] Print view in MS word

[Adrian Spratt]

Print view is my default, and I believe it is recommended for accessibility. 
When another view comes up, as sometimes happens, I press alt-control-p to 
return to print view.

As for the find function, you're right, the escape key used to work. In word 
2010, it still does for me. I don't know why my having a Win7 machine would 
make a difference. Perhaps it does. Like you, I have JAWS 18, but I haven't yet 
updated to the current release.

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf 
Of John R. Vaughn
Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2017 9:31 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] Print view in MS word

List, having a couple of issues,

Running windows 10, Office 2010 and latest jaws 18 on a Toshiba laptop: 

1. When I bring up a Word document, jaws announces the name of the document and 
at the end says "print view"

Do we want to have documents in print view?  Seems like there was a setting in 
options to change this by checking or unchecking a check box with the space 
bar. Unless I am remembering incorrectly, seems like print view had some issues 
and we were advised to not use print view.

2. When I bring up the find dialogue with Control key plus letter F, after I 
have done my search, I cannot get the dialogue to close so I can reload the 
Find command to look for something else in the Word document. My sighted wife 
says she has to click an X next to the name being searched to close the find 
dialogue.  Seems like we used to be able to use the "escape key" to dismiss the 
find dialogue.

Thanks for any help.

John

That said, I have no problem using the Jaws find command of jaws key plus 
control key and letter f.

Has the operation of the find function been changed? I used to use office 2003. 

For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit:
http://www.jaws-users.com/help/

For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit:
http://www.jaws-users.com/help/

Re: [JAWS-Users] Print view in MS word

[Brian Lee]

Hello John,

It is really best to work in print view when using Word.  Keystrokes such as
Alt key with delete report the distance in inches between the cursor
position and the edge of the paper.  As you tab you also hear the distance
from the left edge of the paper.  When JAWS says that the cursor is one inch
from the left, this indicates there is a one-inch margin.  Working in print
view gives you a lot better understanding of how your document will appear
when printed.  

In Word 2010, CTRL with F does not perform the traditional Find command and
take focus into the Find tab of the Find and Replace dialog box.  CTRL with
F takes focus into the navigation pane.  You can do a search in the
navigation pane and use the next button to go from result to result but to
get into the document to read the result you need to use shift key with F6.
After reviewing the result you can use F6 to go back into the navigation
pane and use the Next button again.  In order to return the CTRL with F to
launching the Find and Replace dialog box you need to apply the keystroke to
the Editfind command.   

1.  Press Alt F to display the File tab of the ribbon.
2.  Press Alt T to display Word Options. 
3.  Use down arrow key in the categories of options until you get to
Customize Ribbon. 
4.  Tab until you find the Customize button and use spacebar.  
5.  In the Categories list move focus to the Home Tab.
6.  In the Commands list locate EditFind.  You can press the letter E
and then use down arrow until you get to it.  Press enter key.
7.  Use the tab key to the Press New Shortcut Key box.  
8.  Press CTRL+F.  A message in the box shows that the keystroke is
being used for a different command.  
9.  Tab to and press spacebar on the Assign button.
10. Tab to the Close button and use spacebar.
11. Tab to OK and press spacebar.  

I am not sure but you might need to restart Word for the change to apply.

Take care.

Brian Lee
brianl...@charter.net

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of John R. Vaughn
Sent: April 13, 2017 6:31 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] Print view in MS word

List, having a couple of issues,

Running windows 10, Office 2010 and latest jaws 18 on a Toshiba laptop: 

1. When I bring up a Word document, jaws announces the name of the document
and at the end says "print view"

Do we want to have documents in print view?  Seems like there was a setting
in options to change this by checking or unchecking a check box with the
space bar. Unless I am remembering incorrectly, seems like print view had
some issues and we were advised to not use print view.

2. When I bring up the find dialogue with Control key plus letter F, after I
have done my search, I cannot get the dialogue to close so I can reload the
Find command to look for something else in the Word document. My sighted
wife says she has to click an X next to the name being searched to close the
find dialogue.  Seems like we used to be able to use the "escape key" to
dismiss the find dialogue.

Thanks for any help.

John

That said, I have no problem using the Jaws find command of jaws key plus
control key and letter f.

Has the operation of the find function been changed? I used to use office
2003. 

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Re: [JAWS-Users] Print view in MS word

[Justin Williams]

Okay, check that, my pc is also on print view.  I've had no issues that I
know about, but I'm now curious to see what others are coming up with.
 Justin

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of John R. Vaughn
Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2017 9:31 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] Print view in MS word

List, having a couple of issues,

Running windows 10, Office 2010 and latest jaws 18 on a Toshiba laptop: 

1. When I bring up a Word document, jaws announces the name of the document
and at the end says "print view"

Do we want to have documents in print view?  Seems like there was a setting
in options to change this by checking or unchecking a check box with the
space bar. Unless I am remembering incorrectly, seems like print view had
some issues and we were advised to not use print view.

2. When I bring up the find dialogue with Control key plus letter F, after I
have done my search, I cannot get the dialogue to close so I can reload the
Find command to look for something else in the Word document. My sighted
wife says she has to click an X next to the name being searched to close the
find dialogue.  Seems like we used to be able to use the "escape key" to
dismiss the find dialogue.

Thanks for any help.

John

That said, I have no problem using the Jaws find command of jaws key plus
control key and letter f.

Has the operation of the find function been changed? I used to use office
2003. 

For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit:
http://www.jaws-users.com/help/


For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit:
http://www.jaws-users.com/help/

Re: [JAWS-Users] Print view in MS word

[Justin Williams]

You want accessibility view.  
Justin

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of John R. Vaughn
Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2017 9:31 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] Print view in MS word

List, having a couple of issues,

Running windows 10, Office 2010 and latest jaws 18 on a Toshiba laptop: 

1. When I bring up a Word document, jaws announces the name of the document
and at the end says "print view"

Do we want to have documents in print view?  Seems like there was a setting
in options to change this by checking or unchecking a check box with the
space bar. Unless I am remembering incorrectly, seems like print view had
some issues and we were advised to not use print view.

2. When I bring up the find dialogue with Control key plus letter F, after I
have done my search, I cannot get the dialogue to close so I can reload the
Find command to look for something else in the Word document. My sighted
wife says she has to click an X next to the name being searched to close the
find dialogue.  Seems like we used to be able to use the "escape key" to
dismiss the find dialogue.

Thanks for any help.

John

That said, I have no problem using the Jaws find command of jaws key plus
control key and letter f.

Has the operation of the find function been changed? I used to use office
2003. 

For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit:
http://www.jaws-users.com/help/


For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit:
http://www.jaws-users.com/help/

[JAWS-Users] Print view in MS word

[John R. Vaughn]

List, having a couple of issues,

Running windows 10, Office 2010 and latest jaws 18 on a Toshiba laptop: 

1. When I bring up a Word document, jaws announces the name of the document
and at the end says "print view"

Do we want to have documents in print view?  Seems like there was a setting
in options to change this by checking or unchecking a check box with the
space bar. Unless I am remembering incorrectly, seems like print view had
some issues and we were advised to not use print view.

2. When I bring up the find dialogue with Control key plus letter F, after I
have done my search, I cannot get the dialogue to close so I can reload the
Find command to look for something else in the Word document. My sighted
wife says she has to click an X next to the name being searched to close the
find dialogue.  Seems like we used to be able to use the "escape key" to
dismiss the find dialogue.

Thanks for any help.

John

That said, I have no problem using the Jaws find command of jaws key plus
control key and letter f.

Has the operation of the find function been changed? I used to use office
2003. 

For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit:
http://www.jaws-users.com/help/

Re: [JAWS-Users] A look back at history:

[Humberto Rodriguez]

Hello Lenny:

Of course, a few years more or less makes no difference, young man.  It so
happens I am a few years older than you, born on June 1942.  It may be that
you are right but very few were sold early, I got mine in either 1988 or
1989 and had a lo serial number which I don't remember, although I still
remember my serial number changed to 1218 when JFW came out and I bought it.

Humberto


-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Lenny McHugh
Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2017 6:24 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] A look back at history:

I may be wrong, memory is not what it use to be. I am now sweet 16 with 54 
years of experience. I really thought it was 1985 when I had the demo 
version of the dos version. It was when I started working on the 16 million 
dollar road way management project And required a ibm pc as opposed to the 
HP Pc. Ted and I became friends while he was working for MCS.  Anyway what 
is a few years among friends.

-Original Message- 
From: Humberto Rodriguez
Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2017 4:52 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] A look back at history:

Lenny, I think it was a little later than 1985 when JAWS for DOS came out,
maybe 1988 or 1989, I was also one of the first tu purchase it and remember
clearly calling Henter-Joyce in Saint Petersburg with questions and having
Ted Henter personally helping me and answering them.

Humberto


-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Lenny McHugh
Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2017 2:23 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] A look back at history:

A little more information. In 1980 Dean Blazy started Maryland Computer
Systems  where he first released ITS , information through speech, it was
based on an HP computer. Ted Hinter worked for Dean at that time. In 1980 I
had the world's first talking computer linked to an IBM main frame computer
an IBM 370. After the first or 2nd winter in Maryland Ted left for a warmer
climate and started his own company. There was a dispute over the name so he

changed it to Hinter Joyce.
It was around 1985 when I purchased   jaws for dos. In 1995 he released JFW,

I was the 47th individual to purchase that product.

-Original Message- 
From: Angel238
Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2017 9:58 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] A look back at history:

On this list, there have been references to "Freedom Scientific".  The
company which preceded the current company.  Which now owns our adaptive
screen reading and magnification products.  I think it might be of interest
to the newer users of Jaws to know:  "Freedom Scientific" was not the first
company to own Jaws.  The first was "Henter Joyce".  Founded by Ted Henter,
and, I believe Dean Blazy.  It might also interest you to know, Ted henter
was blind.  He sold the company.  to illustrate again how successful we
blind people can be.  If we just reach for the stars, and develop our
fullest potential.  Which we do all the time.  How far Jaws has come from
the time when its initials meant Job Access With Speech.  Young people, now
days, are indeed fortunate to be able to accomplish, with so much more ease,

things which much more effort was taken to achieve a half century ago.
Prior to the use of the internet, and when our only printing device was the
typewriter.  Though, then, once a skill was learned, one could rely on being

able to employ that skill for years.  Now, it seems, with such rapid
changes, it seems new skills must be learned constantly.  To accomplish the
same things?
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Re: [JAWS-Users] A Weird Issue.

[Marvin Atkins]

Hi Subash,

In my situation, unloading and loading JAWS does not solve anything. I will 
continue to use the work around but there is a hammer close by...just in 
case...


Marvin

-Original Message- 
From: Subash

Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2017 5:39 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] A Weird Issue.

Hi Marvin, now that you mention this, I will do a trace and see if any
particular key combination causes mine.
Also, if it's a JAWS issue, I will unload and reload it and see what
happens.
Thanks for this, you have given me a working pointer to look into.
If I findout anything I will you know, that is, if I don't get Mike's hammer
first. lol
-Original Message- 
From: Marvin Atkins

Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2017 4:29 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] A Weird Issue.

Hi Subash,

I did recreate my scenario with the laptop keyboard.

So, here's what I have discovered.

I get my weird keyboard behavior when using the control & shift key
combination with a specific key (depending on what application I am using)
and this is true with the external keyboard or the laptop keyboard. For
example, I can use the ctrl+shift+end key in notepad to select a block of
text and this weird behavior will not be created. However, I can use the
same key combination in Windows Live Mail and it will create this weird
behavior. This is when using JAWS.

This weird keyboard behavior does not appear to be evident when using NVDA.
(in any application)

So, my conclusion for my particular weird keyboard behavior is that when
using JAWS, this behavior is created  in whatever application based on the
key combination being used for either laptop or common in the keyboard
configuration manager for any key combination using ctrl+shift. I am not a
computer wiz so this is my spectculative opinion only.

I will just continue to use my work around of hitting the ctrl+shift keys
together when this weird behavior occurs. That is unless I actually figure
out how to fix it.

I hope this helps you some or at least gets you pointed in the right
direction. Let me know if you figure out how to correct this behavior.
marvin
-Original Message- 
From: Subash

Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2017 11:47 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] A Weird Issue.

Hi Marvin, does your keyboard work well when your laptop boots up?
Also, if you use the keys on your laptop, does it work the same as the
external keyboard or it works like it should?

-Original Message- 
From: Marvin Atkins

Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2017 11:17 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] A Weird Issue.

Subash,

My external keyboard has been doing this stuff ever since it's been
connected to a Dell laptop using Win 8.1 and now Win 10 64 bit, version 1607
with JAWS latest build.

My keyboard does this whenever I perform an action that requires a
combination of the control & shift keys together, i.e. like ctrl+shift+end
to select a section of text. The keyboard immeadiately starts to do the same
thing you described. I found a work around which is I hit the control and
shift keys again and it restores the keyboard back to normal operation. I
have yet to figure out why the keyboard does this. I can't remember for
sure, and I will test it again, but I don't recall the keyboard doing this
when using NVDA. I now just try to find work arounds when having to use the
control & shift key combinations. The keyboard doesn't do this weird stuff
any other time.

If you get a definite answer, I would love to hear it as well.

Marvin

-Original Message- 
From: Subash

Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2017 10:31 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] A Weird Issue.

Hi listers, I am experiencing a strange issue windows 8.1 64 JAWS 16.
When the computer boots up, everything works fine, but after it runs for
awhile (an hour aprox), some of the rightside keys start behaving weird.
E.g, the right alt key gets stuck to the control, so if I try to perform an
action with that key, it activates the ctrl +alt function.
The comma (,) and period (.) and question (?) and apostrophy (‘) along with
some of the other keys JAWS says some strange symbols I have no idea what
they are.
This happens in browsers, notepad, ms word and the regular windows apps.
I checked the keyboard settings and haven’t noticed anything out of the
ordinary, and as I said, when the computer boots everything works fine.
Any ideas?
Thanks.
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Re: [JAWS-Users] W10 slowing down when it starts.

[Jim Flusche]

Also, turn off all background apps you are not using. Turn off all live tiles 
you are not using as well.


-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf 
Of Kenny
Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2017 6:05 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] W10 slowing down when it starts.

Take a look at your Privacy settings. I was noticing the same thing. 
Had to go in there and turn off everything that Microsoft took it upon 
themselves to turn on. My PC now loads quickly again.

Also make sure to checkout your WiFi network settings. Windows has a service 
that turns your PC into a server to transfer updates to other Windows users 
behind the scenes. Upi definitely want to disable it.

At 07:13 AM 4/13/2017, you wrote:



>Using new W10, NVDA, current browser IE. Noticing that now my PC takes 
>several minutes to restart when I restar my PC. Before it was very 
>fast. What can I do to make it fast again. Did disc cleaning.
>There is sometime in start where you can go to uncheck apps to run 
>unless you do it manually. Help please. Was able to do so with W7.
>
>
>Holger Fiallo
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Re: [JAWS-Users] Using the Refresh this PC in W-10

[Jim Flusche]

Yes, at some time in the very near future, depends how old your computer is, 
you should get a notice about your privacy settings people say.



-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf 
Of Kathy Pingstock
Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2017 5:46 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Using the Refresh this PC in W-10

Jim

Will the update for the  creator automatically be a part of the windows update?

Kathy 

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf 
Of Jim Flusche
Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2017 3:08 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] Using the Refresh this PC in W-10

Good morning Jaws users list, I was finally able to get the refresh this PC, to 
work for me. I tried this feature out several times a year ago, I could not get 
it to work for me. But lo-and-behold, it worked this time. I chose to keep my 
files. So after waiting for 90 minutes or so, I was on the log-in screen. Of 
course the refresh feature removed more than 20 programs and apps on my 
computer including all Freedom Scientific products, all the Jaws versions, the 
F S reader and much more. The benefit of doing a refresh, it reloads the 
windows operating system files new and fresh. So I had to turn off all live 
tiles and remove them from start. I had to uninstall all unwanted apps. I had 
to turn off all the background apps that I did not want turned on. I had to 
install Jaws and put my authorization code back into the Jaws activate window. 
I had to download and set up my office 365 again, I had to set up my outlook 
2016 email accounts again. LOL. But I believe this has fixed the issues I
  encountered after trying to manually update to the creators update and 
failing to do so. So hopefully with any luck, my computer will get updated to 
the creators update when it comes to my computer. I have learned my lesson, no 
more manually trying to update to the creators update, I will just wait. So if 
any of you decide to use this refresh your PC feature in W-10, know you will 
have to reinstall Jaws and much more. Read below and see what all was removed 
on my computer after I successfully completed the refresh my PC process.

Apps removed while refreshing your PC

App name Publisher Version

Freedom Scientific 5.0.2510.0
AMD Catalyst Install Manager Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. 8.0.881.0 Apple 
Application Support (64-bit) Apple Inc. 5.4.1 Apple Mobile Device Support Apple 
Inc. 10.3.1.2 Bonjour Apple Inc. 3.1.0.1 Freedom Scientific FSReader
3.0 Freedom Scientific 3.3.2476.101 Freedom Scientific JAWS 17.0 Freedom 
Scientific 17.0.2729.400 Freedom Scientific JAWS 18.0 Freedom Scientific
18.0.2738.400 Freedom Scientific JAWS Training Table Of Contents DAISY Files 
Freedom Scientific 18.0.2516.0 Freedom Scientific Ocr 64 Freedom Scientific
15.0.2316.0 Freedom Scientific Talking Installer 17.0 Freedom Scientific
17.0.2729.400 Freedom Scientific Talking Installer 18.0 Freedom Scientific
18.0.2737.400 Freedom Scientific Touch Server 64 Freedom Scientific
1.0.2318.0 Freedom Scientific Video Accessibility Freedom Scientific
12.6.347.0 iTunes Apple Inc. 12.6.0.100 Microsoft Office 365 - en-us Microsoft 
Corporation 16.0.7870.2031 Microsoft OneDrive Microsoft Corporation 
17.3.6798.0207 Microsoft Silverlight Microsoft Corporation
5.1.50906.0 Microsoft Visual C++ 2005 Redistributable (x64) Microsoft 
Corporation 8.0.59192 Microsoft Visual C++ 2005 Redistributable (x64) Microsoft 
Corporation 8.0.61000 Microsoft Visual C++ 2010 x64 Redistributable - 
10.0.40219 Microsoft Corporation 10.0.40219 Microsoft Visual Studio 2010 Tools 
for Office Runtime (x64) Microsoft Corporation
10.0.50903 Wednesday, April 12, 2017 6:17 PM The refresh feature also remove my 
Sword searcher program, my Quinton's C game room, Microsoft office 2010, and 
sports and watch ESPN apps. So please be aware of this if you use the refresh 
feature. I think that this should fix all my issues I was having after the 
failed update to the creators update.
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Re: [JAWS-Users] A look back at history:

[Lenny McHugh]

I may be wrong, memory is not what it use to be. I am now sweet 16 with 54 
years of experience. I really thought it was 1985 when I had the demo 
version of the dos version. It was when I started working on the 16 million 
dollar road way management project And required a ibm pc as opposed to the 
HP Pc. Ted and I became friends while he was working for MCS.  Anyway what 
is a few years among friends.


-Original Message- 
From: Humberto Rodriguez

Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2017 4:52 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] A look back at history:

Lenny, I think it was a little later than 1985 when JAWS for DOS came out,
maybe 1988 or 1989, I was also one of the first tu purchase it and remember
clearly calling Henter-Joyce in Saint Petersburg with questions and having
Ted Henter personally helping me and answering them.

Humberto


-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Lenny McHugh
Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2017 2:23 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] A look back at history:

A little more information. In 1980 Dean Blazy started Maryland Computer
Systems  where he first released ITS , information through speech, it was
based on an HP computer. Ted Hinter worked for Dean at that time. In 1980 I
had the world's first talking computer linked to an IBM main frame computer
an IBM 370. After the first or 2nd winter in Maryland Ted left for a warmer
climate and started his own company. There was a dispute over the name so he

changed it to Hinter Joyce.
It was around 1985 when I purchased   jaws for dos. In 1995 he released JFW,

I was the 47th individual to purchase that product.

-Original Message- 
From: Angel238

Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2017 9:58 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] A look back at history:

On this list, there have been references to "Freedom Scientific".  The
company which preceded the current company.  Which now owns our adaptive
screen reading and magnification products.  I think it might be of interest
to the newer users of Jaws to know:  "Freedom Scientific" was not the first
company to own Jaws.  The first was "Henter Joyce".  Founded by Ted Henter,
and, I believe Dean Blazy.  It might also interest you to know, Ted henter
was blind.  He sold the company.  to illustrate again how successful we
blind people can be.  If we just reach for the stars, and develop our
fullest potential.  Which we do all the time.  How far Jaws has come from
the time when its initials meant Job Access With Speech.  Young people, now
days, are indeed fortunate to be able to accomplish, with so much more ease,

things which much more effort was taken to achieve a half century ago.
Prior to the use of the internet, and when our only printing device was the
typewriter.  Though, then, once a skill was learned, one could rely on being

able to employ that skill for years.  Now, it seems, with such rapid
changes, it seems new skills must be learned constantly.  To accomplish the
same things?
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Re: [JAWS-Users] A look back at history:

[Lenny McHugh]

No, a 4 digit. They started at 1,000 but kept the first 200 for internal 
use.


-Original Message- 
From: Angel238

Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2017 3:40 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] A look back at history:

Do you have a two digit cereal number?  I always wondered whether those
cereal numbers were given in numeric order.
- Original Message - 
From: "Lenny McHugh" 

To: 
Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2017 2:22 PM
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] A look back at history:


A little more information. In 1980 Dean Blazy started Maryland Computer 
Systems  where he first released ITS , information through speech, it was 
based on an HP computer. Ted Hinter worked for Dean at that time. In 1980 I 
had the world's first talking computer linked to an IBM main frame computer 
an IBM 370. After the first or 2nd winter in Maryland Ted left for a warmer 
climate and started his own company. There was a dispute over the name so 
he changed it to Hinter Joyce.
It was around 1985 when I purchased   jaws for dos. In 1995 he released 
JFW, I was the 47th individual to purchase that product.


-Original Message- 
From: Angel238

Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2017 9:58 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] A look back at history:

On this list, there have been references to "Freedom Scientific".  The 
company which preceded the current company.  Which now owns our adaptive 
screen reading and magnification products.  I think it might be of 
interest to the newer users of Jaws to know:  "Freedom Scientific" was not 
the first company to own Jaws.  The first was "Henter Joyce".  Founded by 
Ted Henter, and, I believe Dean Blazy.  It might also interest you to 
know, Ted henter was blind.  He sold the company.  to illustrate again how 
successful we blind people can be.  If we just reach for the stars, and 
develop our fullest potential.  Which we do all the time.  How far Jaws 
has come from the time when its initials meant Job Access With Speech. 
Young people, now days, are indeed fortunate to be able to accomplish, 
with so much more ease, things which much more effort was taken to achieve 
a half century ago. Prior to the use of the internet, and when our only 
printing device was the typewriter.  Though, then, once a skill was 
learned, one could rely on being able to employ that skill for years. Now, 
it seems, with such rapid changes, it seems new skills must be learned 
constantly.  To accomplish the same things?

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Re: [JAWS-Users] W10 slowing down when it starts.

[Kenny]

Take a look at your Privacy settings. I was noticing the same thing. 
Had to go in there and turn off everything that Microsoft took it 
upon themselves to turn on. My PC now loads quickly again.


Also make sure to checkout your WiFi network settings. Windows has a 
service that turns your PC into a server to transfer updates to other 
Windows users behind the scenes. Upi definitely want to disable it.


At 07:13 AM 4/13/2017, you wrote:



Using new W10, NVDA, current browser IE. Noticing that now my PC 
takes several minutes to restart when I restar my PC. Before it was 
very fast. What can I do to make it fast again. Did disc cleaning. 
There is sometime in start where you can go to uncheck apps to run 
unless you do it manually. Help please. Was able to do so with W7.



Holger Fiallo
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Re: [JAWS-Users] How Do I Stop JAWS from Speaking Extended Characters?

[Mike B.]

Hi Kenny,

You can do it through the Jaws dictionary, or customize punctuation settings 
in the Setting Center default all applications.  You're easiest bet is to 
set the punctuation to, Some, rather than, Most, in Jaws quick settings, 
Jaws key + V.
Take care.
Mike
Sent from my iBarstool.  Go Dodgers!
Early to bed, early to rise, keep my iHemorrhoids from being a surprise.
- Original Message - 
From: Kenny
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2017 11:30 AM
Subject: [JAWS-Users] How Do I Stop JAWS from Speaking Extended Characters?


Hello,

I've been noticing JAWS speaking a lot of special
extended characters when reviewing mail in Eudora
Pro. Starting to drive me crazy!

Characters like ?T and  to mention a few.

I have punctuation set to "Most" for I do want to
hear characters like quotes and hyphens spoken.
Is there a way I can stop JAWS from speaking the extended character set?


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Re: [JAWS-Users] Using the Refresh this PC in W-10

[Kathy Pingstock]

Jim

Will the update for the  creator automatically be a part of the windows
update?

Kathy 

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Jim Flusche
Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2017 3:08 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] Using the Refresh this PC in W-10

Good morning Jaws users list, I was finally able to get the refresh this PC,
to work for me. I tried this feature out several times a year ago, I could
not get it to work for me. But lo-and-behold, it worked this time. I chose
to keep my files. So after waiting for 90 minutes or so, I was on the log-in
screen. Of course the refresh feature removed more than 20 programs and apps
on my computer including all Freedom Scientific products, all the Jaws
versions, the F S reader and much more. The benefit of doing a refresh, it
reloads the windows operating system files new and fresh. So I had to turn
off all live tiles and remove them from start. I had to uninstall all
unwanted apps. I had to turn off all the background apps that I did not want
turned on. I had to install Jaws and put my authorization code back into the
Jaws activate window. I had to download and set up my office 365 again, I
had to set up my outlook 2016 email accounts again. LOL. But I believe this
has fixed the issues I encountered after trying to manually update to the
creators update and failing to do so. So hopefully with any luck, my
computer will get updated to the creators update when it comes to my
computer. I have learned my lesson, no more manually trying to update to the
creators update, I will just wait. So if any of you decide to use this
refresh your PC feature in W-10, know you will have to reinstall Jaws and
much more. Read below and see what all was removed on my computer after I
successfully completed the refresh my PC process.

Apps removed while refreshing your PC

App name Publisher Version

Freedom Scientific 5.0.2510.0
AMD Catalyst Install Manager Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. 8.0.881.0 Apple
Application Support (64-bit) Apple Inc. 5.4.1 Apple Mobile Device Support
Apple Inc. 10.3.1.2 Bonjour Apple Inc. 3.1.0.1 Freedom Scientific FSReader
3.0 Freedom Scientific 3.3.2476.101 Freedom Scientific JAWS 17.0 Freedom
Scientific 17.0.2729.400 Freedom Scientific JAWS 18.0 Freedom Scientific
18.0.2738.400 Freedom Scientific JAWS Training Table Of Contents DAISY Files
Freedom Scientific 18.0.2516.0 Freedom Scientific Ocr 64 Freedom Scientific
15.0.2316.0 Freedom Scientific Talking Installer 17.0 Freedom Scientific
17.0.2729.400 Freedom Scientific Talking Installer 18.0 Freedom Scientific
18.0.2737.400 Freedom Scientific Touch Server 64 Freedom Scientific
1.0.2318.0 Freedom Scientific Video Accessibility Freedom Scientific
12.6.347.0 iTunes Apple Inc. 12.6.0.100 Microsoft Office 365 - en-us
Microsoft Corporation 16.0.7870.2031 Microsoft OneDrive Microsoft
Corporation 17.3.6798.0207 Microsoft Silverlight Microsoft Corporation
5.1.50906.0 Microsoft Visual C++ 2005 Redistributable (x64) Microsoft
Corporation 8.0.59192 Microsoft Visual C++ 2005 Redistributable (x64)
Microsoft Corporation 8.0.61000 Microsoft Visual C++ 2010 x64
Redistributable - 10.0.40219 Microsoft Corporation 10.0.40219 Microsoft
Visual Studio 2010 Tools for Office Runtime (x64) Microsoft Corporation
10.0.50903 Wednesday, April 12, 2017 6:17 PM The refresh feature also remove
my Sword searcher program, my Quinton's C game room, Microsoft office 2010,
and sports and watch ESPN apps. So please be aware of this if you use the
refresh feature. I think that this should fix all my issues I was having
after the failed update to the creators update.
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Re: [JAWS-Users] A Weird Issue.

[Subash]

Hi Marvin, now that you mention this, I will do a trace and see if any 
particular key combination causes mine.
Also, if it's a JAWS issue, I will unload and reload it and see what 
happens.

Thanks for this, you have given me a working pointer to look into.
If I findout anything I will you know, that is, if I don't get Mike's hammer 
first. lol
-Original Message- 
From: Marvin Atkins

Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2017 4:29 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] A Weird Issue.

Hi Subash,

I did recreate my scenario with the laptop keyboard.

So, here's what I have discovered.

I get my weird keyboard behavior when using the control & shift key
combination with a specific key (depending on what application I am using)
and this is true with the external keyboard or the laptop keyboard. For
example, I can use the ctrl+shift+end key in notepad to select a block of
text and this weird behavior will not be created. However, I can use the
same key combination in Windows Live Mail and it will create this weird
behavior. This is when using JAWS.

This weird keyboard behavior does not appear to be evident when using NVDA.
(in any application)

So, my conclusion for my particular weird keyboard behavior is that when
using JAWS, this behavior is created  in whatever application based on the
key combination being used for either laptop or common in the keyboard
configuration manager for any key combination using ctrl+shift. I am not a
computer wiz so this is my spectculative opinion only.

I will just continue to use my work around of hitting the ctrl+shift keys
together when this weird behavior occurs. That is unless I actually figure
out how to fix it.

I hope this helps you some or at least gets you pointed in the right
direction. Let me know if you figure out how to correct this behavior.
marvin
-Original Message- 
From: Subash

Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2017 11:47 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] A Weird Issue.

Hi Marvin, does your keyboard work well when your laptop boots up?
Also, if you use the keys on your laptop, does it work the same as the
external keyboard or it works like it should?

-Original Message- 
From: Marvin Atkins

Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2017 11:17 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] A Weird Issue.

Subash,

My external keyboard has been doing this stuff ever since it's been
connected to a Dell laptop using Win 8.1 and now Win 10 64 bit, version 1607
with JAWS latest build.

My keyboard does this whenever I perform an action that requires a
combination of the control & shift keys together, i.e. like ctrl+shift+end
to select a section of text. The keyboard immeadiately starts to do the same
thing you described. I found a work around which is I hit the control and
shift keys again and it restores the keyboard back to normal operation. I
have yet to figure out why the keyboard does this. I can't remember for
sure, and I will test it again, but I don't recall the keyboard doing this
when using NVDA. I now just try to find work arounds when having to use the
control & shift key combinations. The keyboard doesn't do this weird stuff
any other time.

If you get a definite answer, I would love to hear it as well.

Marvin

-Original Message- 
From: Subash

Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2017 10:31 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] A Weird Issue.

Hi listers, I am experiencing a strange issue windows 8.1 64 JAWS 16.
When the computer boots up, everything works fine, but after it runs for
awhile (an hour aprox), some of the rightside keys start behaving weird.
E.g, the right alt key gets stuck to the control, so if I try to perform an
action with that key, it activates the ctrl +alt function.
The comma (,) and period (.) and question (?) and apostrophy (‘) along with
some of the other keys JAWS says some strange symbols I have no idea what
they are.
This happens in browsers, notepad, ms word and the regular windows apps.
I checked the keyboard settings and haven’t noticed anything out of the
ordinary, and as I said, when the computer boots everything works fine.
Any ideas?
Thanks.
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Re: [JAWS-Users] A Weird Issue.

[Subash]

Perhaps the hammer is the easiest thing, so maybe in a suttle way, he is 
saying just that? *grin*


-Original Message- 
From: Mike B.

Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2017 1:56 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] A Weird Issue.

Howdy Señor Ferrin,

Are you saying then, that the 1st thing to grab, IS NOT, a bleeping hammer?!
LOL  LOL
Take care.
Mike
Sent from my iBarstool.  Go Dodgers!
Early to bed, early to rise, keep my iHemorrhoids from being a surprise.
- Original Message - 
From: David Ferrin

To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2017 10:05 AM
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] A Weird Issue.


Always remember the rule of thumb, start with the easiest thing to fix
first.

-Original Message- 
From: Subash

Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2017 11:42 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] A Weird Issue.

Hi Dave, no, I haven't thought of that, I will though.
I guess I didn't think of that because when the computer boots everything
works like a charm.


-Original Message- 
From: David Ferrin

Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2017 10:38 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] A Weird Issue.

Did you try another keyboard?

-Original Message- 
From: Subash

Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2017 10:31 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] A Weird Issue.

Hi listers, I am experiencing a strange issue windows 8.1 64 JAWS 16.
When the computer boots up, everything works fine, but after it runs for
awhile (an hour aprox), some of the rightside keys start behaving weird.
E.g, the right alt key gets stuck to the control, so if I try to perform an
action with that key, it activates the ctrl +alt function.
The comma (,) and period (.) and question (?) and apostrophy (‘) along with
some of the other keys JAWS says some strange symbols I have no idea what
they are.
This happens in browsers, notepad, ms word and the regular windows apps.
I checked the keyboard settings and haven’t noticed anything out of the
ordinary, and as I said, when the computer boots everything works fine.
Any ideas?
Thanks.
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Re: [JAWS-Users] A look back at history:

[Humberto Rodriguez]

Lenny, I think it was a little later than 1985 when JAWS for DOS came out,
maybe 1988 or 1989, I was also one of the first tu purchase it and remember
clearly calling Henter-Joyce in Saint Petersburg with questions and having
Ted Henter personally helping me and answering them.

Humberto


-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Lenny McHugh
Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2017 2:23 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] A look back at history:

A little more information. In 1980 Dean Blazy started Maryland Computer 
Systems  where he first released ITS , information through speech, it was 
based on an HP computer. Ted Hinter worked for Dean at that time. In 1980 I 
had the world's first talking computer linked to an IBM main frame computer 
an IBM 370. After the first or 2nd winter in Maryland Ted left for a warmer 
climate and started his own company. There was a dispute over the name so he

changed it to Hinter Joyce.
It was around 1985 when I purchased   jaws for dos. In 1995 he released JFW,

I was the 47th individual to purchase that product.

-Original Message- 
From: Angel238
Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2017 9:58 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] A look back at history:

On this list, there have been references to "Freedom Scientific".  The 
company which preceded the current company.  Which now owns our adaptive 
screen reading and magnification products.  I think it might be of interest 
to the newer users of Jaws to know:  "Freedom Scientific" was not the first 
company to own Jaws.  The first was "Henter Joyce".  Founded by Ted Henter, 
and, I believe Dean Blazy.  It might also interest you to know, Ted henter 
was blind.  He sold the company.  to illustrate again how successful we 
blind people can be.  If we just reach for the stars, and develop our 
fullest potential.  Which we do all the time.  How far Jaws has come from 
the time when its initials meant Job Access With Speech.  Young people, now 
days, are indeed fortunate to be able to accomplish, with so much more ease,

things which much more effort was taken to achieve a half century ago. 
Prior to the use of the internet, and when our only printing device was the 
typewriter.  Though, then, once a skill was learned, one could rely on being

able to employ that skill for years.  Now, it seems, with such rapid 
changes, it seems new skills must be learned constantly.  To accomplish the 
same things?
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Re: [JAWS-Users] A look back at history:

[Ritz, Courtney L. (GSFC-7200)]

I got mine in the DOS days, can't remember the number at that time.
But the number I got when I got JFW has been a 5-digit one.

Courtney

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf 
Of Humberto Rodriguez
Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2017 4:22 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] A look back at history:

Two digit serial numbers were for the DOS version, the JFW serial numbers began 
with 1000, I used to have 1218 until I got my JFW from the VA and the serial 
number went to six digits.

Humberto


-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf 
Of Angel238
Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2017 3:41 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] A look back at history:

Do you have a two digit cereal number?  I always wondered whether those cereal 
numbers were given in numeric order.
- Original Message -
From: "Lenny McHugh" 
To: 
Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2017 2:22 PM
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] A look back at history:


>A little more information. In 1980 Dean Blazy started Maryland Computer 
>Systems  where he first released ITS , information through speech, it 
>was based on an HP computer. Ted Hinter worked for Dean at that time. 
>In 1980 I

>had the world's first talking computer linked to an IBM main frame 
>computer

>an IBM 370. After the first or 2nd winter in Maryland Ted left for a 
>warmer

>climate and started his own company. There was a dispute over the name 
>so he changed it to Hinter Joyce.
> It was around 1985 when I purchased   jaws for dos. In 1995 he released 
> JFW, I was the 47th individual to purchase that product.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Angel238
> Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2017 9:58 AM
> To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
> Subject: [JAWS-Users] A look back at history:
>
> On this list, there have been references to "Freedom Scientific".  The 
> company which preceded the current company.  Which now owns our 
> adaptive screen reading and magnification products.  I think it might 
> be of interest to the newer users of Jaws to know:  "Freedom 
> Scientific" was not

> the first company to own Jaws.  The first was "Henter Joyce".  Founded 
> by Ted Henter, and, I believe Dean Blazy.  It might also interest you 
> to know, Ted henter was blind.  He sold the company.  to illustrate 
> again how

> successful we blind people can be.  If we just reach for the stars, 
> and develop our fullest potential.  Which we do all the time.  How far 
> Jaws has come from the time when its initials meant Job Access With Speech.
> Young people, now days, are indeed fortunate to be able to accomplish, 
> with so much more ease, things which much more effort was taken to 
> achieve

> a half century ago. Prior to the use of the internet, and when our 
> only printing device was the typewriter.  Though, then, once a skill 
> was learned, one could rely on being able to employ that skill for years.
> Now, it seems, with such rapid changes, it seems new skills must be 
> learned constantly.  To accomplish the same things?
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> http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
>
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Re: [JAWS-Users] A Weird Issue.

[Marvin Atkins]

Hi Subash,

I did recreate my scenario with the laptop keyboard.

So, here's what I have discovered.

I get my weird keyboard behavior when using the control & shift key 
combination with a specific key (depending on what application I am using) 
and this is true with the external keyboard or the laptop keyboard. For 
example, I can use the ctrl+shift+end key in notepad to select a block of 
text and this weird behavior will not be created. However, I can use the 
same key combination in Windows Live Mail and it will create this weird 
behavior. This is when using JAWS.


This weird keyboard behavior does not appear to be evident when using NVDA. 
(in any application)


So, my conclusion for my particular weird keyboard behavior is that when 
using JAWS, this behavior is created  in whatever application based on the 
key combination being used for either laptop or common in the keyboard 
configuration manager for any key combination using ctrl+shift. I am not a 
computer wiz so this is my spectculative opinion only.


I will just continue to use my work around of hitting the ctrl+shift keys 
together when this weird behavior occurs. That is unless I actually figure 
out how to fix it.


I hope this helps you some or at least gets you pointed in the right 
direction. Let me know if you figure out how to correct this behavior.

marvin
-Original Message- 
From: Subash

Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2017 11:47 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] A Weird Issue.

Hi Marvin, does your keyboard work well when your laptop boots up?
Also, if you use the keys on your laptop, does it work the same as the
external keyboard or it works like it should?

-Original Message- 
From: Marvin Atkins

Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2017 11:17 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] A Weird Issue.

Subash,

My external keyboard has been doing this stuff ever since it's been
connected to a Dell laptop using Win 8.1 and now Win 10 64 bit, version 1607
with JAWS latest build.

My keyboard does this whenever I perform an action that requires a
combination of the control & shift keys together, i.e. like ctrl+shift+end
to select a section of text. The keyboard immeadiately starts to do the same
thing you described. I found a work around which is I hit the control and
shift keys again and it restores the keyboard back to normal operation. I
have yet to figure out why the keyboard does this. I can't remember for
sure, and I will test it again, but I don't recall the keyboard doing this
when using NVDA. I now just try to find work arounds when having to use the
control & shift key combinations. The keyboard doesn't do this weird stuff
any other time.

If you get a definite answer, I would love to hear it as well.

Marvin

-Original Message- 
From: Subash

Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2017 10:31 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] A Weird Issue.

Hi listers, I am experiencing a strange issue windows 8.1 64 JAWS 16.
When the computer boots up, everything works fine, but after it runs for
awhile (an hour aprox), some of the rightside keys start behaving weird.
E.g, the right alt key gets stuck to the control, so if I try to perform an
action with that key, it activates the ctrl +alt function.
The comma (,) and period (.) and question (?) and apostrophy (‘) along with
some of the other keys JAWS says some strange symbols I have no idea what
they are.
This happens in browsers, notepad, ms word and the regular windows apps.
I checked the keyboard settings and haven’t noticed anything out of the
ordinary, and as I said, when the computer boots everything works fine.
Any ideas?
Thanks.
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Re: [JAWS-Users] A look back at history:

[Humberto Rodriguez]

Two digit serial numbers were for the DOS version, the JFW serial numbers
began with 1000, I used to have 1218 until I got my JFW from the VA and the
serial number went to six digits.

Humberto


-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Angel238
Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2017 3:41 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] A look back at history:

Do you have a two digit cereal number?  I always wondered whether those 
cereal numbers were given in numeric order.
- Original Message - 
From: "Lenny McHugh" 
To: 
Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2017 2:22 PM
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] A look back at history:


>A little more information. In 1980 Dean Blazy started Maryland Computer 
>Systems  where he first released ITS , information through speech, it was 
>based on an HP computer. Ted Hinter worked for Dean at that time. In 1980 I

>had the world's first talking computer linked to an IBM main frame computer

>an IBM 370. After the first or 2nd winter in Maryland Ted left for a warmer

>climate and started his own company. There was a dispute over the name so 
>he changed it to Hinter Joyce.
> It was around 1985 when I purchased   jaws for dos. In 1995 he released 
> JFW, I was the 47th individual to purchase that product.
>
> -Original Message- 
> From: Angel238
> Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2017 9:58 AM
> To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
> Subject: [JAWS-Users] A look back at history:
>
> On this list, there have been references to "Freedom Scientific".  The 
> company which preceded the current company.  Which now owns our adaptive 
> screen reading and magnification products.  I think it might be of 
> interest to the newer users of Jaws to know:  "Freedom Scientific" was not

> the first company to own Jaws.  The first was "Henter Joyce".  Founded by 
> Ted Henter, and, I believe Dean Blazy.  It might also interest you to 
> know, Ted henter was blind.  He sold the company.  to illustrate again how

> successful we blind people can be.  If we just reach for the stars, and 
> develop our fullest potential.  Which we do all the time.  How far Jaws 
> has come from the time when its initials meant Job Access With Speech. 
> Young people, now days, are indeed fortunate to be able to accomplish, 
> with so much more ease, things which much more effort was taken to achieve

> a half century ago. Prior to the use of the internet, and when our only 
> printing device was the typewriter.  Though, then, once a skill was 
> learned, one could rely on being able to employ that skill for years. 
> Now, it seems, with such rapid changes, it seems new skills must be 
> learned constantly.  To accomplish the same things?
> For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit:
> http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
>
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Re: [JAWS-Users] A look back at history:

[Angel238]

Do you have a two digit cereal number?  I always wondered whether those 
cereal numbers were given in numeric order.
- Original Message - 
From: "Lenny McHugh" 

To: 
Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2017 2:22 PM
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] A look back at history:


A little more information. In 1980 Dean Blazy started Maryland Computer 
Systems  where he first released ITS , information through speech, it was 
based on an HP computer. Ted Hinter worked for Dean at that time. In 1980 I 
had the world's first talking computer linked to an IBM main frame computer 
an IBM 370. After the first or 2nd winter in Maryland Ted left for a warmer 
climate and started his own company. There was a dispute over the name so 
he changed it to Hinter Joyce.
It was around 1985 when I purchased   jaws for dos. In 1995 he released 
JFW, I was the 47th individual to purchase that product.


-Original Message- 
From: Angel238

Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2017 9:58 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] A look back at history:

On this list, there have been references to "Freedom Scientific".  The 
company which preceded the current company.  Which now owns our adaptive 
screen reading and magnification products.  I think it might be of 
interest to the newer users of Jaws to know:  "Freedom Scientific" was not 
the first company to own Jaws.  The first was "Henter Joyce".  Founded by 
Ted Henter, and, I believe Dean Blazy.  It might also interest you to 
know, Ted henter was blind.  He sold the company.  to illustrate again how 
successful we blind people can be.  If we just reach for the stars, and 
develop our fullest potential.  Which we do all the time.  How far Jaws 
has come from the time when its initials meant Job Access With Speech. 
Young people, now days, are indeed fortunate to be able to accomplish, 
with so much more ease, things which much more effort was taken to achieve 
a half century ago. Prior to the use of the internet, and when our only 
printing device was the typewriter.  Though, then, once a skill was 
learned, one could rely on being able to employ that skill for years. 
Now, it seems, with such rapid changes, it seems new skills must be 
learned constantly.  To accomplish the same things?

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[JAWS-Users] Using the Refresh this PC in W-10

[Jim Flusche]

Good morning Jaws users list, I was finally able to get the refresh this PC, to 
work for me. I tried this feature out several times a year ago, I could not get 
it to work for me. But lo-and-behold, it worked this time. I chose to keep my 
files. So after waiting for 90 minutes or so, I was on the log-in screen. Of 
course the refresh feature removed more than 20 programs and apps on my 
computer including all Freedom Scientific products, all the Jaws versions, the 
F S reader and much more. The benefit of doing a refresh, it reloads the 
windows operating system files new and fresh. So I had to turn off all live 
tiles and remove them from start. I had to uninstall all unwanted apps. I had 
to turn off all the background apps that I did not want turned on. I had to 
install Jaws and put my authorization code back into the Jaws activate window. 
I had to download and set up my office 365 again, I had to set up my outlook 
2016 email accounts again. LOL. But I believe this has fixed the issues I
  encountered after trying to manually update to the creators update and 
failing to do so. So hopefully with any luck, my computer will get updated to 
the creators update when it comes to my computer. I have learned my lesson, no 
more manually trying to update to the creators update, I will just wait. So if 
any of you decide to use this refresh your PC feature in W-10, know you will 
have to reinstall Jaws and much more. Read below and see what all was removed 
on my computer after I successfully completed the refresh my PC process.

Apps removed while refreshing your PC

App name Publisher Version

Freedom Scientific 5.0.2510.0
AMD Catalyst Install Manager Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. 8.0.881.0
Apple Application Support (64-bit) Apple Inc. 5.4.1
Apple Mobile Device Support Apple Inc. 10.3.1.2
Bonjour Apple Inc. 3.1.0.1
Freedom Scientific FSReader 3.0 Freedom Scientific 3.3.2476.101
Freedom Scientific JAWS 17.0 Freedom Scientific 17.0.2729.400
Freedom Scientific JAWS 18.0 Freedom Scientific 18.0.2738.400
Freedom Scientific JAWS Training Table Of Contents DAISY Files Freedom 
Scientific 18.0.2516.0
Freedom Scientific Ocr 64 Freedom Scientific 15.0.2316.0
Freedom Scientific Talking Installer 17.0 Freedom Scientific 17.0.2729.400
Freedom Scientific Talking Installer 18.0 Freedom Scientific 18.0.2737.400
Freedom Scientific Touch Server 64 Freedom Scientific 1.0.2318.0
Freedom Scientific Video Accessibility Freedom Scientific 12.6.347.0
iTunes Apple Inc. 12.6.0.100
Microsoft Office 365 - en-us Microsoft Corporation 16.0.7870.2031
Microsoft OneDrive Microsoft Corporation 17.3.6798.0207
Microsoft Silverlight Microsoft Corporation 5.1.50906.0
Microsoft Visual C++ 2005 Redistributable (x64) Microsoft Corporation 8.0.59192
Microsoft Visual C++ 2005 Redistributable (x64) Microsoft Corporation 8.0.61000
Microsoft Visual C++ 2010 x64 Redistributable - 10.0.40219 Microsoft 
Corporation 10.0.40219
Microsoft Visual Studio 2010 Tools for Office Runtime (x64) Microsoft 
Corporation 10.0.50903
Wednesday, April 12, 2017 6:17 PM
The refresh feature also remove my Sword searcher program, my Quinton's C game 
room, Microsoft office 2010, and sports and watch ESPN apps. So please be aware 
of this if you use the refresh feature. I think that this should fix all my 
issues I was having after the failed update to the creators update.
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Re: [JAWS-Users] A look back at history:

[Dave]

Lenny,

Your age is showing, man.

Dave
Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer


- Original Message - 
From: "Lenny McHugh" 
To: 
Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2017 11:22
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] A look back at history:


A little more information. In 1980 Dean Blazy started Maryland Computer
Systems  where he first released ITS , information through speech, it was
based on an HP computer. Ted Hinter worked for Dean at that time. In 1980 I
had the world's first talking computer linked to an IBM main frame computer
an IBM 370. After the first or 2nd winter in Maryland Ted left for a warmer
climate and started his own company. There was a dispute over the name so he
changed it to Hinter Joyce.
It was around 1985 when I purchased   jaws for dos. In 1995 he released JFW,
I was the 47th individual to purchase that product.

-Original Message- 
From: Angel238
Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2017 9:58 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] A look back at history:

On this list, there have been references to "Freedom Scientific".  The
company which preceded the current company.  Which now owns our adaptive
screen reading and magnification products.  I think it might be of interest
to the newer users of Jaws to know:  "Freedom Scientific" was not the first
company to own Jaws.  The first was "Henter Joyce".  Founded by Ted Henter,
and, I believe Dean Blazy.  It might also interest you to know, Ted henter
was blind.  He sold the company.  to illustrate again how successful we
blind people can be.  If we just reach for the stars, and develop our
fullest potential.  Which we do all the time.  How far Jaws has come from
the time when its initials meant Job Access With Speech.  Young people, now
days, are indeed fortunate to be able to accomplish, with so much more ease,
things which much more effort was taken to achieve a half century ago.
Prior to the use of the internet, and when our only printing device was the
typewriter.  Though, then, once a skill was learned, one could rely on being
able to employ that skill for years.  Now, it seems, with such rapid
changes, it seems new skills must be learned constantly.  To accomplish the
same things?
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[JAWS-Users] How Do I Stop JAWS from Speaking Extended Characters?

[Kenny]

Hello,

I've been noticing JAWS speaking a lot of special 
extended characters when reviewing mail in Eudora 
Pro. Starting to drive me crazy!


Characters like €™ and  to mention a few.

I have punctuation set to "Most" for I do want to 
hear characters like quotes and hyphens spoken. 
Is there a way I can stop JAWS from speaking the extended character set?



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Re: [JAWS-Users] A look back at history:

[Lenny McHugh]

A little more information. In 1980 Dean Blazy started Maryland Computer 
Systems  where he first released ITS , information through speech, it was 
based on an HP computer. Ted Hinter worked for Dean at that time. In 1980 I 
had the world's first talking computer linked to an IBM main frame computer 
an IBM 370. After the first or 2nd winter in Maryland Ted left for a warmer 
climate and started his own company. There was a dispute over the name so he 
changed it to Hinter Joyce.
It was around 1985 when I purchased   jaws for dos. In 1995 he released JFW, 
I was the 47th individual to purchase that product.


-Original Message- 
From: Angel238

Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2017 9:58 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] A look back at history:

On this list, there have been references to "Freedom Scientific".  The 
company which preceded the current company.  Which now owns our adaptive 
screen reading and magnification products.  I think it might be of interest 
to the newer users of Jaws to know:  "Freedom Scientific" was not the first 
company to own Jaws.  The first was "Henter Joyce".  Founded by Ted Henter, 
and, I believe Dean Blazy.  It might also interest you to know, Ted henter 
was blind.  He sold the company.  to illustrate again how successful we 
blind people can be.  If we just reach for the stars, and develop our 
fullest potential.  Which we do all the time.  How far Jaws has come from 
the time when its initials meant Job Access With Speech.  Young people, now 
days, are indeed fortunate to be able to accomplish, with so much more ease, 
things which much more effort was taken to achieve a half century ago. 
Prior to the use of the internet, and when our only printing device was the 
typewriter.  Though, then, once a skill was learned, one could rely on being 
able to employ that skill for years.  Now, it seems, with such rapid 
changes, it seems new skills must be learned constantly.  To accomplish the 
same things?

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Re: [JAWS-Users] A Weird Issue.

[David Ferrin]

Probably not, but keep one handy for step two in the process.

-Original Message- 
From: Mike B.

Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2017 1:56 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] A Weird Issue.

Howdy Señor Ferrin,

Are you saying then, that the 1st thing to grab, IS NOT, a bleeping hammer?!
LOL  LOL
Take care.
Mike
Sent from my iBarstool.  Go Dodgers!
Early to bed, early to rise, keep my iHemorrhoids from being a surprise.
- Original Message - 
From: David Ferrin

To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2017 10:05 AM
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] A Weird Issue.


Always remember the rule of thumb, start with the easiest thing to fix
first.

-Original Message- 
From: Subash

Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2017 11:42 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] A Weird Issue.

Hi Dave, no, I haven't thought of that, I will though.
I guess I didn't think of that because when the computer boots everything
works like a charm.


-Original Message- 
From: David Ferrin

Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2017 10:38 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] A Weird Issue.

Did you try another keyboard?

-Original Message- 
From: Subash

Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2017 10:31 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] A Weird Issue.

Hi listers, I am experiencing a strange issue windows 8.1 64 JAWS 16.
When the computer boots up, everything works fine, but after it runs for
awhile (an hour aprox), some of the rightside keys start behaving weird.
E.g, the right alt key gets stuck to the control, so if I try to perform an
action with that key, it activates the ctrl +alt function.
The comma (,) and period (.) and question (?) and apostrophy (‘) along with
some of the other keys JAWS says some strange symbols I have no idea what
they are.
This happens in browsers, notepad, ms word and the regular windows apps.
I checked the keyboard settings and haven’t noticed anything out of the
ordinary, and as I said, when the computer boots everything works fine.
Any ideas?
Thanks.
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Re: [JAWS-Users] A Weird Issue.

[Mike B.]

Howdy Señor Ferrin,

Are you saying then, that the 1st thing to grab, IS NOT, a bleeping hammer?! 
LOL  LOL
Take care.
Mike
Sent from my iBarstool.  Go Dodgers!
Early to bed, early to rise, keep my iHemorrhoids from being a surprise.
- Original Message - 
From: David Ferrin
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2017 10:05 AM
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] A Weird Issue.


Always remember the rule of thumb, start with the easiest thing to fix
first.

-Original Message- 
From: Subash
Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2017 11:42 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] A Weird Issue.

Hi Dave, no, I haven't thought of that, I will though.
I guess I didn't think of that because when the computer boots everything
works like a charm.


-Original Message- 
From: David Ferrin
Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2017 10:38 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] A Weird Issue.

Did you try another keyboard?

-Original Message- 
From: Subash
Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2017 10:31 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] A Weird Issue.

Hi listers, I am experiencing a strange issue windows 8.1 64 JAWS 16.
When the computer boots up, everything works fine, but after it runs for
awhile (an hour aprox), some of the rightside keys start behaving weird.
E.g, the right alt key gets stuck to the control, so if I try to perform an
action with that key, it activates the ctrl +alt function.
The comma (,) and period (.) and question (?) and apostrophy (‘) along with
some of the other keys JAWS says some strange symbols I have no idea what
they are.
This happens in browsers, notepad, ms word and the regular windows apps.
I checked the keyboard settings and haven’t noticed anything out of the
ordinary, and as I said, when the computer boots everything works fine.
Any ideas?
Thanks.
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Re: [JAWS-Users] A Weird Issue.

[David Ferrin]

Always remember the rule of thumb, start with the easiest thing to fix 
first.


-Original Message- 
From: Subash

Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2017 11:42 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] A Weird Issue.

Hi Dave, no, I haven't thought of that, I will though.
I guess I didn't think of that because when the computer boots everything
works like a charm.


-Original Message- 
From: David Ferrin

Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2017 10:38 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] A Weird Issue.

Did you try another keyboard?

-Original Message- 
From: Subash

Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2017 10:31 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] A Weird Issue.

Hi listers, I am experiencing a strange issue windows 8.1 64 JAWS 16.
When the computer boots up, everything works fine, but after it runs for
awhile (an hour aprox), some of the rightside keys start behaving weird.
E.g, the right alt key gets stuck to the control, so if I try to perform an
action with that key, it activates the ctrl +alt function.
The comma (,) and period (.) and question (?) and apostrophy (‘) along with
some of the other keys JAWS says some strange symbols I have no idea what
they are.
This happens in browsers, notepad, ms word and the regular windows apps.
I checked the keyboard settings and haven’t noticed anything out of the
ordinary, and as I said, when the computer boots everything works fine.
Any ideas?
Thanks.
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Re: [JAWS-Users] win 10 shut down

[David Whitehead]

hello;
you can perform a shutdown from the desktop,
also, you could,
windows+x,
up arrow enter on, shutdown or sign out sub-menu,
or, you could create a shutdown shortcut/hotkey.

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-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of TheHangMan
Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2017 12:36 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] win 10 shut down

Len,
Press the windows key, then tab to  the navigation menu list box and down
arrow to power enter, then arrow to shut down enter, or any other option.
This is the best way to shutdown, because windows snaps an image of your pc,
when it was running, so on next start up the pc starts faster.



Jorge

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From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Lenny McHugh
Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2017 3:07 PM
To: JFW List 
Subject: [JAWS-Users] win 10 shut down

I very seldom use my win 10 laptop. It has windows version 16... and the
latest jaws 18. I was unable to do a shut down. I just discovered that with
the jaws cursor I could read the desktop items. Then route pc to jaws and
alt f4. I then could restart or shutdown. I am kind of at a loss why
navigation is no so difficult.


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Re: [JAWS-Users] A Weird Issue.

[Marvin Atkins]

Hi Subash,

My external keyboard works perfectly all the time except when I use the 
control & shift key combination with any other key to perform some action.


I don't use the laptop keyboard but I will experiment with it to see if I 
can create the same occurance and get back with you.


Marvin



-Original Message- 
From: Subash

Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2017 11:47 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] A Weird Issue.

Hi Marvin, does your keyboard work well when your laptop boots up?
Also, if you use the keys on your laptop, does it work the same as the
external keyboard or it works like it should?

-Original Message- 
From: Marvin Atkins

Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2017 11:17 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] A Weird Issue.

Subash,

My external keyboard has been doing this stuff ever since it's been
connected to a Dell laptop using Win 8.1 and now Win 10 64 bit, version 1607
with JAWS latest build.

My keyboard does this whenever I perform an action that requires a
combination of the control & shift keys together, i.e. like ctrl+shift+end
to select a section of text. The keyboard immeadiately starts to do the same
thing you described. I found a work around which is I hit the control and
shift keys again and it restores the keyboard back to normal operation. I
have yet to figure out why the keyboard does this. I can't remember for
sure, and I will test it again, but I don't recall the keyboard doing this
when using NVDA. I now just try to find work arounds when having to use the
control & shift key combinations. The keyboard doesn't do this weird stuff
any other time.

If you get a definite answer, I would love to hear it as well.

Marvin

-Original Message- 
From: Subash

Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2017 10:31 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] A Weird Issue.

Hi listers, I am experiencing a strange issue windows 8.1 64 JAWS 16.
When the computer boots up, everything works fine, but after it runs for
awhile (an hour aprox), some of the rightside keys start behaving weird.
E.g, the right alt key gets stuck to the control, so if I try to perform an
action with that key, it activates the ctrl +alt function.
The comma (,) and period (.) and question (?) and apostrophy (‘) along with
some of the other keys JAWS says some strange symbols I have no idea what
they are.
This happens in browsers, notepad, ms word and the regular windows apps.
I checked the keyboard settings and haven’t noticed anything out of the
ordinary, and as I said, when the computer boots everything works fine.
Any ideas?
Thanks.
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Re: [JAWS-Users] A Weird Issue.

[Subash]

Hi Marvin, does your keyboard work well when your laptop boots up?
Also, if you use the keys on your laptop, does it work the same as the 
external keyboard or it works like it should?


-Original Message- 
From: Marvin Atkins

Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2017 11:17 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] A Weird Issue.

Subash,

My external keyboard has been doing this stuff ever since it's been
connected to a Dell laptop using Win 8.1 and now Win 10 64 bit, version 1607
with JAWS latest build.

My keyboard does this whenever I perform an action that requires a
combination of the control & shift keys together, i.e. like ctrl+shift+end
to select a section of text. The keyboard immeadiately starts to do the same
thing you described. I found a work around which is I hit the control and
shift keys again and it restores the keyboard back to normal operation. I
have yet to figure out why the keyboard does this. I can't remember for
sure, and I will test it again, but I don't recall the keyboard doing this
when using NVDA. I now just try to find work arounds when having to use the
control & shift key combinations. The keyboard doesn't do this weird stuff
any other time.

If you get a definite answer, I would love to hear it as well.

Marvin

-Original Message- 
From: Subash

Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2017 10:31 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] A Weird Issue.

Hi listers, I am experiencing a strange issue windows 8.1 64 JAWS 16.
When the computer boots up, everything works fine, but after it runs for
awhile (an hour aprox), some of the rightside keys start behaving weird.
E.g, the right alt key gets stuck to the control, so if I try to perform an
action with that key, it activates the ctrl +alt function.
The comma (,) and period (.) and question (?) and apostrophy (‘) along with
some of the other keys JAWS says some strange symbols I have no idea what
they are.
This happens in browsers, notepad, ms word and the regular windows apps.
I checked the keyboard settings and haven’t noticed anything out of the
ordinary, and as I said, when the computer boots everything works fine.
Any ideas?
Thanks.
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Re: [JAWS-Users] A Weird Issue.

[Subash]

Hi Dave, no, I haven't thought of that, I will though.
I guess I didn't think of that because when the computer boots everything 
works like a charm.



-Original Message- 
From: David Ferrin

Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2017 10:38 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] A Weird Issue.

Did you try another keyboard?

-Original Message- 
From: Subash

Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2017 10:31 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] A Weird Issue.

Hi listers, I am experiencing a strange issue windows 8.1 64 JAWS 16.
When the computer boots up, everything works fine, but after it runs for
awhile (an hour aprox), some of the rightside keys start behaving weird.
E.g, the right alt key gets stuck to the control, so if I try to perform an
action with that key, it activates the ctrl +alt function.
The comma (,) and period (.) and question (?) and apostrophy (‘) along with
some of the other keys JAWS says some strange symbols I have no idea what
they are.
This happens in browsers, notepad, ms word and the regular windows apps.
I checked the keyboard settings and haven’t noticed anything out of the
ordinary, and as I said, when the computer boots everything works fine.
Any ideas?
Thanks.
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Re: [JAWS-Users] A Weird Issue.

[Marvin Atkins]

Subash,

My external keyboard has been doing this stuff ever since it's been 
connected to a Dell laptop using Win 8.1 and now Win 10 64 bit, version 1607 
with JAWS latest build.


My keyboard does this whenever I perform an action that requires a 
combination of the control & shift keys together, i.e. like ctrl+shift+end 
to select a section of text. The keyboard immeadiately starts to do the same 
thing you described. I found a work around which is I hit the control and 
shift keys again and it restores the keyboard back to normal operation. I 
have yet to figure out why the keyboard does this. I can't remember for 
sure, and I will test it again, but I don't recall the keyboard doing this 
when using NVDA. I now just try to find work arounds when having to use the 
control & shift key combinations. The keyboard doesn't do this weird stuff 
any other time.


If you get a definite answer, I would love to hear it as well.

Marvin

-Original Message- 
From: Subash

Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2017 10:31 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] A Weird Issue.

Hi listers, I am experiencing a strange issue windows 8.1 64 JAWS 16.
When the computer boots up, everything works fine, but after it runs for 
awhile (an hour aprox), some of the rightside keys start behaving weird.
E.g, the right alt key gets stuck to the control, so if I try to perform an 
action with that key, it activates the ctrl +alt function.
The comma (,) and period (.) and question (?) and apostrophy (‘) along with 
some of the other keys JAWS says some strange symbols I have no idea what 
they are.

This happens in browsers, notepad, ms word and the regular windows apps.
I checked the keyboard settings and haven’t noticed anything out of the 
ordinary, and as I said, when the computer boots everything works fine.

Any ideas?
Thanks.
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[JAWS-Users] [jaws-users-list] jaws on a tablet

[claudette macon]

 what will i need on a wifi tablet to use jaws 17 to surf internet explorer 

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Re: [JAWS-Users] A Weird Issue.

[David Ferrin]

Did you try another keyboard?

-Original Message- 
From: Subash

Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2017 10:31 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] A Weird Issue.

Hi listers, I am experiencing a strange issue windows 8.1 64 JAWS 16.
When the computer boots up, everything works fine, but after it runs for 
awhile (an hour aprox), some of the rightside keys start behaving weird.
E.g, the right alt key gets stuck to the control, so if I try to perform an 
action with that key, it activates the ctrl +alt function.
The comma (,) and period (.) and question (?) and apostrophy (‘) along with 
some of the other keys JAWS says some strange symbols I have no idea what 
they are.

This happens in browsers, notepad, ms word and the regular windows apps.
I checked the keyboard settings and haven’t noticed anything out of the 
ordinary, and as I said, when the computer boots everything works fine.

Any ideas?
Thanks.
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[JAWS-Users] A Weird Issue.

[Subash]

Hi listers, I am experiencing a strange issue windows 8.1 64 JAWS 16.
When the computer boots up, everything works fine, but after it runs for awhile 
(an hour aprox), some of the rightside keys start behaving weird.
E.g, the right alt key gets stuck to the control, so if I try to perform an 
action with that key, it activates the ctrl +alt function.
The comma (,) and period (.) and question (?) and apostrophy (‘) along with 
some of the other keys JAWS says some strange symbols I have no idea what they 
are.
This happens in browsers, notepad, ms word and the regular windows apps.
I checked the keyboard settings and haven’t noticed anything out of the 
ordinary, and as I said, when the computer boots everything works fine.
Any ideas?
Thanks.
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Re: [JAWS-Users] Linking to internet from outside Home

[David Ferrin]

First of all let us both get on the same page.

What have you done so far to connect to the internet? IE are you on wireless 
at this point ETC?


-Original Message- 
From: jyandt.mar...@comcast.net

Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2017 10:11 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Linking to internet from outside Home

David:

Okay. What is the next step? I am not sure if this would be "performed" in
my internet settings, or what. Thanks for the reply.

-Original Message- 
From: David Ferrin

Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2017 7:36 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Linking to internet from outside Home

The first thing you have to do is go to your brother in laws house and ask
him for his password. More than a few hundred feet away and he might as well
be on the moon for all the good it would do for you.

-Original Message- 
From: jyandt.mar...@comcast.net

Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2017 8:27 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] Linking to internet from outside Home

Morning all.

I have never attempted to do this, so I am uncertain as to the process; but
how do I access a wify signal from outside my home i.e., my brother-in-laws
home in another city? Thanks in advance.

Jerry
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Re: [JAWS-Users] Linking to internet from outside Home

[jyandt.martin]

David:

Okay. What is the next step? I am not sure if this would be "performed" in 
my internet settings, or what. Thanks for the reply.


-Original Message- 
From: David Ferrin

Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2017 7:36 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Linking to internet from outside Home

The first thing you have to do is go to your brother in laws house and ask
him for his password. More than a few hundred feet away and he might as well
be on the moon for all the good it would do for you.

-Original Message- 
From: jyandt.mar...@comcast.net

Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2017 8:27 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] Linking to internet from outside Home

Morning all.

I have never attempted to do this, so I am uncertain as to the process; but
how do I access a wify signal from outside my home i.e., my brother-in-laws
home in another city? Thanks in advance.

Jerry
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Re: [JAWS-Users] Off topic posts.

[David Ferrin]

Enough already, we have three guys who police this list. If somebody 
requires being placed on moderated status, then we will do that, or whatever 
other action we feel is needed.


Let us do our jobs that we have been doing for 11 and  a half years this 
week.


Note: retirement is in the not too distant future, don't rush me.

-Original Message- 
From: Graham Smith

Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2017 9:51 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Off topic posts.




I don’t understand either why people have to try and show that they are 
religious, makes no sense, and I do not like seeing all of it in messages 
that are not related to religious lists..

On Apr 13, 2017, at 9:43 AM, Angel238  wrote:

Again, this is not a religious sight.  Nor one which is supposed to 
proselytize.  I have no objections to such posts as that about which I 
complained.  If they are posted on religious sites.  Only Christians, it 
seems, choose to put religious oriented posts on sites which aren't 
specific to religion.  You don't see people with other religious  beliefs 
writing such like posts on specific lists.  Not of a religious nature. 
Again, you would think, at least for courtesy sake, the subject line could 
be changed. To reflect the off topic nature of these posts.  Are off topic 
posts allowed on the list?  If they are, I apologize for my mistake.

- Original Message - From: "kurt miller" 
To: 
Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2017 8:20 AM
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] flexible website



Angel,
Chill out!! Without God, you can't even explain how you are alive to even 
make this complaint. God bless your soul.



On Apr 13, 2017, at 7:38 AM, Angel238  wrote:

I feel I need to remind those on this list, it is not a religious list. 
People who aren't Christian shouldn't have to read such posts. 
Believing they are about a Jaws related subject.  If posts as are these 
are posted on a non religious list, they should have appropriate subject 
lines.  So people who aren't Christian might skip them.
- Original Message - From: "Michele Thredgold" 


To: 
Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2017 3:36 AM
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] flexible website


What a beautiful service! I started reading through it this morning, 
but had visitors and then took a nap so that I would be OK for tonight. 
I love how the Jewish Passover flows over into our Lord's last supper. 
How I love the Saviour!
die on the cross tomorrow" and "Did Jesus eat a lot the night before?" 
and "I wouldn't have forgiven them", referring to the soldiers and 
those who sentenced him to death. I know that they sound like 
irreverent comments, but my Dad really does respect my faith, and 
often, his humour is what he uses when he's either uncomfortable with 
those or feeling a deep emotion. Erika will verify this because she 
knows him well. Can you please pray especially, this Easter, that Our 
Lord and Saviour will give him a new understand of what His crucifixion 
really means for him personally, and for us as a family? I am praying 
that Dad will make that last remark again and that God will give me the 
words to explain that the whole point of Jesus' death was to forgive 
all mankind of our sins. But, having never been to church as a boy, 
theology is not one of my Dad's strong points. I believe only the Holy 
Spirit can speak to him in a language that his heart will really 
understand.


Anyway, I'm just about to feed Ellis and get in the shower. Look 
forward to seeing you tonight.


Your sister in Christ

Michele
TODAY, dad, who is not a believer and has the same black sense of 
humour as me,  kept saying to me like: "I bet Jesus wasn't feeling that 
great today, knowing he was going


- Original Message -
From: Judy  
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Date: Saturday, 8 April 2017 8:20 am
Subject: [JAWS-Users] flexible website




What were the keystrokes for the flexible website to change things 
around? I

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Re: [JAWS-Users] flexible website

[Kurt Miller]

And I believe that if the original poster responds, she probably sent it to
the wrong list, we all have done that so she should find this out first.

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Tom
Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2017 8:23 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] flexible website

she just stated a basic fact. this is a jaws list

-Original Message-
From: kurt miller
Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2017 7:20 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] flexible website

Angel,
Chill out!! Without God, you can't even explain how you are alive to even
make this complaint. God bless your soul.

> On Apr 13, 2017, at 7:38 AM, Angel238  wrote:
>
> I feel I need to remind those on this list, it is not a religious list. 
> People who aren't Christian shouldn't have to read such posts.  
> Believing they are about a Jaws related subject.  If posts as are 
> these are posted on a non religious list, they should have appropriate 
> subject lines.  So people who aren't Christian might skip them.
> - Original Message - From: "Michele Thredgold" 
> 
> To: 
> Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2017 3:36 AM
> Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] flexible website
>
>
>> What a beautiful service! I started reading through it this morning, 
>> but had visitors and then took a nap so that I would be OK for 
>> tonight. I love how the Jewish Passover flows over into our Lord's 
>> last supper. How I love the Saviour!
>> die on the cross tomorrow" and "Did Jesus eat a lot the night before?" 
>> and "I wouldn't have forgiven them", referring to the soldiers and 
>> those who sentenced him to death. I know that they sound like 
>> irreverent comments, but my Dad really does respect my faith, and 
>> often, his humour is what he uses when he's either uncomfortable with 
>> those or feeling a deep emotion. Erika will verify this because she 
>> knows him well. Can you please pray especially, this Easter, that Our 
>> Lord and Saviour will give him a new understand of what His 
>> crucifixion really means for him personally, and for us as a family? 
>> I am praying that Dad will make that last remark again and that God 
>> will give me the words to explain that the whole point of Jesus' 
>> death was to forgive all mankind of our sins. But, having never been 
>> to church as a boy, theology is not one of my Dad's strong points. I 
>> believe only the Holy Spirit can speak to him in a language that his
heart will really understand.
>>
>> Anyway, I'm just about to feed Ellis and get in the shower. Look 
>> forward to seeing you tonight.
>>
>> Your sister in Christ
>>
>> Michele
>> TODAY, dad, who is not a believer and has the same black sense of 
>> humour as me,  kept saying to me like: "I bet Jesus wasn't feeling 
>> that great today, knowing he was going
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> From: Judy  
>> To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
>> Date: Saturday, 8 April 2017 8:20 am
>> Subject: [JAWS-Users] flexible website
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> What were the keystrokes for the flexible website to change things 
>>> around? I thought I saved it, but of course I didn't. Thanks. Judy & 
>>> Libby
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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[JAWS-Users] A look back at history:

[Angel238]

On this list, there have been references to "Freedom Scientific".  The company 
which preceded the current company.  Which now owns our adaptive screen reading 
and magnification products.  I think it might be of interest to the newer users 
of Jaws to know:  "Freedom Scientific" was not the first company to own Jaws.  
The first was "Henter Joyce".  Founded by Ted Henter, and, I believe Dean 
Blazy.  It might also interest you to know, Ted henter was blind.  He sold the 
company.  to illustrate again how successful we blind people can be.  If we 
just reach for the stars, and develop our fullest potential.  Which we do all 
the time.  How far Jaws has come from the time when its initials meant Job 
Access With Speech.  Young people, now days, are indeed fortunate to be able to 
accomplish, with so much more ease, things which much more effort was taken to 
achieve a half century ago.  Prior to the use of the internet, and when our 
only printing device was the typewriter.  Though, then, once a 
 skill was learned, one could rely on being able to employ that skill for 
years.  Now, it seems, with such rapid changes, it seems new skills must be 
learned constantly.  To accomplish the same things?
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Re: [JAWS-Users] Off topic posts.

[Moderator]

I can imagine that the original post was sent to this list in error,
and having said that, folks should give that consideration before getting 
offended!
If it was not sent in error, refrain from posting anything that is not Jaws 
related.
Now, as Dave has already said, let's bring this one to a close!
Thank you,

Richard Q. Justice-list moderator
jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com

- Original Message - 
From: "Angel238" 
To: 
Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2017 9:43 AM
Subject: [JAWS-Users] Off topic posts.


Again, this is not a religious sight.  Nor one which is supposed to
proselytize.  I have no objections to such posts as that about which I
complained.  If they are posted on religious sites.  Only Christians, it
seems, choose to put religious oriented posts on sites which aren't specific
to religion.  You don't see people with other religious  beliefs writing
such like posts on specific lists.  Not of a religious nature.  Again, you
would think, at least for courtesy sake, the subject line could be changed.
To reflect the off topic nature of these posts.  Are off topic posts allowed
on the list?  If they are, I apologize for my mistake.
- Original Message - 
From: "kurt miller" 
To: 
Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2017 8:20 AM
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] flexible website


> Angel,
> Chill out!! Without God, you can't even explain how you are alive to even
> make this complaint. God bless your soul.
>
>> On Apr 13, 2017, at 7:38 AM, Angel238  wrote:
>>
>> I feel I need to remind those on this list, it is not a religious list.
>> People who aren't Christian shouldn't have to read such posts.  Believing
>> they are about a Jaws related subject.  If posts as are these are posted
>> on a non religious list, they should have appropriate subject lines.  So
>> people who aren't Christian might skip them.
>> - Original Message - From: "Michele Thredgold"
>> 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2017 3:36 AM
>> Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] flexible website
>>
>>
>>> What a beautiful service! I started reading through it this morning, but
>>> had visitors and then took a nap so that I would be OK for tonight. I
>>> love how the Jewish Passover flows over into our Lord's last supper. How
>>> I love the Saviour!
>>> die on the cross tomorrow" and "Did Jesus eat a lot the night before?"
>>> and "I wouldn't have forgiven them", referring to the soldiers and those
>>> who sentenced him to death. I know that they sound like irreverent
>>> comments, but my Dad really does respect my faith, and often, his humour
>>> is what he uses when he's either uncomfortable with those or feeling a
>>> deep emotion. Erika will verify this because she knows him well. Can you
>>> please pray especially, this Easter, that Our Lord and Saviour will give
>>> him a new understand of what His crucifixion really means for him
>>> personally, and for us as a family? I am praying that Dad will make that
>>> last remark again and that God will give me the words to explain that
>>> the whole point of Jesus' death was to forgive all mankind of our sins.
>>> But, having never been to church as a boy, theology is not one of my
>>> Dad's strong points. I believe only the Holy Spirit can speak to him in
>>> a language that his heart will really understand.
>>>
>>> Anyway, I'm just about to feed Ellis and get in the shower. Look forward
>>> to seeing you tonight.
>>>
>>> Your sister in Christ
>>>
>>> Michele
>>> TODAY, dad, who is not a believer and has the same black sense of humour
>>> as me,  kept saying to me like: "I bet Jesus wasn't feeling that great
>>> today, knowing he was going
>>>
>>> - Original Message -
>>> From: Judy  
>>> To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
>>> Date: Saturday, 8 April 2017 8:20 am
>>> Subject: [JAWS-Users] flexible website
>>>


 What were the keystrokes for the flexible website to change things
 around? I
 thought I saved it, but of course I didn't. Thanks. Judy & Libby







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>>>
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Re: [JAWS-Users] Off topic posts.

[Graham Smith]

I don’t understand either why people have to try and show that they are 
religious, makes no sense, and I do not like seeing all of it in messages that 
are not related to religious lists..
> On Apr 13, 2017, at 9:43 AM, Angel238  wrote:
> 
> Again, this is not a religious sight.  Nor one which is supposed to 
> proselytize.  I have no objections to such posts as that about which I 
> complained.  If they are posted on religious sites.  Only Christians, it 
> seems, choose to put religious oriented posts on sites which aren't specific 
> to religion.  You don't see people with other religious  beliefs writing such 
> like posts on specific lists.  Not of a religious nature.  Again, you would 
> think, at least for courtesy sake, the subject line could be changed. To 
> reflect the off topic nature of these posts.  Are off topic posts allowed on 
> the list?  If they are, I apologize for my mistake.
> - Original Message - From: "kurt miller" 
> To: 
> Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2017 8:20 AM
> Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] flexible website
> 
> 
>> Angel,
>> Chill out!! Without God, you can't even explain how you are alive to even 
>> make this complaint. God bless your soul.
>> 
>>> On Apr 13, 2017, at 7:38 AM, Angel238  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I feel I need to remind those on this list, it is not a religious list. 
>>> People who aren't Christian shouldn't have to read such posts.  Believing 
>>> they are about a Jaws related subject.  If posts as are these are posted on 
>>> a non religious list, they should have appropriate subject lines.  So 
>>> people who aren't Christian might skip them.
>>> - Original Message - From: "Michele Thredgold" 
>>> 
>>> To: 
>>> Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2017 3:36 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] flexible website
>>> 
>>> 
 What a beautiful service! I started reading through it this morning, but 
 had visitors and then took a nap so that I would be OK for tonight. I love 
 how the Jewish Passover flows over into our Lord's last supper. How I love 
 the Saviour!
 die on the cross tomorrow" and "Did Jesus eat a lot the night before?" and 
 "I wouldn't have forgiven them", referring to the soldiers and those who 
 sentenced him to death. I know that they sound like irreverent comments, 
 but my Dad really does respect my faith, and often, his humour is what he 
 uses when he's either uncomfortable with those or feeling a deep emotion. 
 Erika will verify this because she knows him well. Can you please pray 
 especially, this Easter, that Our Lord and Saviour will give him a new 
 understand of what His crucifixion really means for him personally, and 
 for us as a family? I am praying that Dad will make that last remark again 
 and that God will give me the words to explain that the whole point of 
 Jesus' death was to forgive all mankind of our sins. But, having never 
 been to church as a boy, theology is not one of my Dad's strong points. I 
 believe only the Holy Spirit can speak to him in a language that his heart 
 will really understand.
 
 Anyway, I'm just about to feed Ellis and get in the shower. Look forward 
 to seeing you tonight.
 
 Your sister in Christ
 
 Michele
 TODAY, dad, who is not a believer and has the same black sense of humour 
 as me,  kept saying to me like: "I bet Jesus wasn't feeling that great 
 today, knowing he was going
 
 - Original Message -
 From: Judy  
 To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
 Date: Saturday, 8 April 2017 8:20 am
 Subject: [JAWS-Users] flexible website
 
> 
> 
> What were the keystrokes for the flexible website to change things 
> around? I
> thought I saved it, but of course I didn't. Thanks. Judy & Libby
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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[JAWS-Users] Off topic posts.

[Angel238]

Again, this is not a religious sight.  Nor one which is supposed to 
proselytize.  I have no objections to such posts as that about which I 
complained.  If they are posted on religious sites.  Only Christians, it 
seems, choose to put religious oriented posts on sites which aren't specific 
to religion.  You don't see people with other religious  beliefs writing 
such like posts on specific lists.  Not of a religious nature.  Again, you 
would think, at least for courtesy sake, the subject line could be changed. 
To reflect the off topic nature of these posts.  Are off topic posts allowed 
on the list?  If they are, I apologize for my mistake.
- Original Message - 
From: "kurt miller" 

To: 
Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2017 8:20 AM
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] flexible website



Angel,
Chill out!! Without God, you can't even explain how you are alive to even 
make this complaint. God bless your soul.



On Apr 13, 2017, at 7:38 AM, Angel238  wrote:

I feel I need to remind those on this list, it is not a religious list. 
People who aren't Christian shouldn't have to read such posts.  Believing 
they are about a Jaws related subject.  If posts as are these are posted 
on a non religious list, they should have appropriate subject lines.  So 
people who aren't Christian might skip them.
- Original Message - From: "Michele Thredgold" 


To: 
Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2017 3:36 AM
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] flexible website


What a beautiful service! I started reading through it this morning, but 
had visitors and then took a nap so that I would be OK for tonight. I 
love how the Jewish Passover flows over into our Lord's last supper. How 
I love the Saviour!
die on the cross tomorrow" and "Did Jesus eat a lot the night before?" 
and "I wouldn't have forgiven them", referring to the soldiers and those 
who sentenced him to death. I know that they sound like irreverent 
comments, but my Dad really does respect my faith, and often, his humour 
is what he uses when he's either uncomfortable with those or feeling a 
deep emotion. Erika will verify this because she knows him well. Can you 
please pray especially, this Easter, that Our Lord and Saviour will give 
him a new understand of what His crucifixion really means for him 
personally, and for us as a family? I am praying that Dad will make that 
last remark again and that God will give me the words to explain that 
the whole point of Jesus' death was to forgive all mankind of our sins. 
But, having never been to church as a boy, theology is not one of my 
Dad's strong points. I believe only the Holy Spirit can speak to him in 
a language that his heart will really understand.


Anyway, I'm just about to feed Ellis and get in the shower. Look forward 
to seeing you tonight.


Your sister in Christ

Michele
TODAY, dad, who is not a believer and has the same black sense of humour 
as me,  kept saying to me like: "I bet Jesus wasn't feeling that great 
today, knowing he was going


- Original Message -
From: Judy  
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Date: Saturday, 8 April 2017 8:20 am
Subject: [JAWS-Users] flexible website




What were the keystrokes for the flexible website to change things 
around? I

thought I saved it, but of course I didn't. Thanks. Judy & Libby







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[JAWS-Users] jaws on a tablet

[claudette macon]

are there any specifics needed to use jaws 17 on a wifi tablet? 

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Re: [JAWS-Users] Linking to internet from outside Home

[David Ferrin]

The first thing you have to do is go to your brother in laws house and ask 
him for his password. More than a few hundred feet away and he might as well 
be on the moon for all the good it would do for you.


-Original Message- 
From: jyandt.mar...@comcast.net

Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2017 8:27 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] Linking to internet from outside Home

Morning all.

I have never attempted to do this, so I am uncertain as to the process; but 
how do I access a wify signal from outside my home i.e., my brother-in-laws 
home in another city? Thanks in advance.


Jerry
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Re: [JAWS-Users] flexible website

[David Ferrin]

Before this gets out of hand folks let us shut this thread down.



-Original Message- 
From: Tom

Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2017 8:23 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] flexible website

she just stated a basic fact. this is a jaws list

-Original Message- 
From: kurt miller

Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2017 7:20 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] flexible website

Angel,
Chill out!! Without God, you can't even explain how you are alive to even
make this complaint. God bless your soul.


On Apr 13, 2017, at 7:38 AM, Angel238  wrote:

I feel I need to remind those on this list, it is not a religious list. 
People who aren't Christian shouldn't have to read such posts.  Believing 
they are about a Jaws related subject.  If posts as are these are posted 
on a non religious list, they should have appropriate subject lines.  So 
people who aren't Christian might skip them.
- Original Message - From: "Michele Thredgold" 


To: 
Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2017 3:36 AM
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] flexible website


What a beautiful service! I started reading through it this morning, but 
had visitors and then took a nap so that I would be OK for tonight. I 
love how the Jewish Passover flows over into our Lord's last supper. How 
I love the Saviour!
die on the cross tomorrow" and "Did Jesus eat a lot the night before?" 
and "I wouldn't have forgiven them", referring to the soldiers and those 
who sentenced him to death. I know that they sound like irreverent 
comments, but my Dad really does respect my faith, and often, his humour 
is what he uses when he's either uncomfortable with those or feeling a 
deep emotion. Erika will verify this because she knows him well. Can you 
please pray especially, this Easter, that Our Lord and Saviour will give 
him a new understand of what His crucifixion really means for him 
personally, and for us as a family? I am praying that Dad will make that 
last remark again and that God will give me the words to explain that the 
whole point of Jesus' death was to forgive all mankind of our sins. But, 
having never been to church as a boy, theology is not one of my Dad's 
strong points. I believe only the Holy Spirit can speak to him in a 
language that his heart will really understand.


Anyway, I'm just about to feed Ellis and get in the shower. Look forward 
to seeing you tonight.


Your sister in Christ

Michele
TODAY, dad, who is not a believer and has the same black sense of humour 
as me,  kept saying to me like: "I bet Jesus wasn't feeling that great 
today, knowing he was going


- Original Message -
From: Judy  
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Date: Saturday, 8 April 2017 8:20 am
Subject: [JAWS-Users] flexible website




What were the keystrokes for the flexible website to change things 
around? I

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Re: [JAWS-Users] flexible website

[Adrian Spratt]

Hi, Angel. It was obviously intended for a friend and posted in error. It can 
happen. It happened once to me on this list, although you'll be relieved to 
know that my accidental post wasn't about religion. I admit I'm a little 
surprised she hasn't posted an apology.

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf 
Of Angel238
Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2017 7:38 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] flexible website

I feel I need to remind those on this list, it is not a religious list. 
People who aren't Christian shouldn't have to read such posts.  Believing they 
are about a Jaws related subject.  If posts as are these are posted on a non 
religious list, they should have appropriate subject lines.  So people who 
aren't Christian might skip them.
- Original Message -
From: "Michele Thredgold" 
To: 
Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2017 3:36 AM
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] flexible website


> What a beautiful service! I started reading through it this morning, 
> but had visitors and then took a nap so that I would be OK for 
> tonight. I love how the Jewish Passover flows over into our Lord's 
> last supper. How I love the Saviour!
> die on the cross tomorrow" and "Did Jesus eat a lot the night before?" 
> and "I wouldn't have forgiven them", referring to the soldiers and 
> those who sentenced him to death. I know that they sound like 
> irreverent comments, but my Dad really does respect my faith, and 
> often, his humour is what he uses when he's either uncomfortable with those 
> or feeling a deep emotion.
> Erika will verify this because she knows him well. Can you please pray 
> especially, this Easter, that Our Lord and Saviour will give him a new 
> understand of what His crucifixion really means for him personally, 
> and for us as a family? I am praying that Dad will make that last 
> remark again and that God will give me the words to explain that the 
> whole point of Jesus' death was to forgive all mankind of our sins. 
> But, having never been to church as a boy, theology is not one of my 
> Dad's strong points. I believe only the Holy Spirit can speak to him 
> in a language that his heart will really understand.
>
> Anyway, I'm just about to feed Ellis and get in the shower. Look 
> forward to seeing you tonight.
>
> Your sister in Christ
>
> Michele
> TODAY, dad, who is not a believer and has the same black sense of 
> humour as me,  kept saying to me like: "I bet Jesus wasn't feeling 
> that great today, knowing he was going
>
> - Original Message -
> From: Judy  
> To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
> Date: Saturday, 8 April 2017 8:20 am
> Subject: [JAWS-Users] flexible website
>
>>
>>
>> What were the keystrokes for the flexible website to change things 
>> around? I thought I saved it, but of course I didn't. Thanks. Judy & 
>> Libby
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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[JAWS-Users] Linking to internet from outside Home

[jyandt.martin]

Morning all.

I have never attempted to do this, so I am uncertain as to the process; but how 
do I access a wify signal from outside my home i.e., my brother-in-laws home in 
another city? Thanks in advance.

Jerry
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Re: [JAWS-Users] flexible website

[David Ferrin]

The fact is if people want such signature lines or any kind of tag line we 
mostly ask if they would keep them short and not make another entire message 
out of them.


With over 660 members on here it is safe to bet we have all faiths 
represented. Long drawn out signature lines mostly serve to increase 
bandwidth usage and although it has never been a problem so far when I 
monitor traffic there are spikes now and then.


-Original Message- 
From: Angel238

Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2017 7:38 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] flexible website

I feel I need to remind those on this list, it is not a religious list.
People who aren't Christian shouldn't have to read such posts.  Believing
they are about a Jaws related subject.  If posts as are these are posted on
a non religious list, they should have appropriate subject lines.  So people
who aren't Christian might skip them.
- Original Message - 
From: "Michele Thredgold" 

To: 
Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2017 3:36 AM
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] flexible website


What a beautiful service! I started reading through it this morning, but 
had visitors and then took a nap so that I would be OK for tonight. I love 
how the Jewish Passover flows over into our Lord's last supper. How I love 
the Saviour!
die on the cross tomorrow" and "Did Jesus eat a lot the night before?" and 
"I wouldn't have forgiven them", referring to the soldiers and those who 
sentenced him to death. I know that they sound like irreverent comments, 
but my Dad really does respect my faith, and often, his humour is what he 
uses when he's either uncomfortable with those or feeling a deep emotion. 
Erika will verify this because she knows him well. Can you please pray 
especially, this Easter, that Our Lord and Saviour will give him a new 
understand of what His crucifixion really means for him personally, and 
for us as a family? I am praying that Dad will make that last remark again 
and that God will give me the words to explain that the whole point of 
Jesus' death was to forgive all mankind of our sins. But, having never 
been to church as a boy, theology is not one of my Dad's strong points. I 
believe only the Holy Spirit can speak to him in a language that his heart 
will really understand.


Anyway, I'm just about to feed Ellis and get in the shower. Look forward 
to seeing you tonight.


Your sister in Christ

Michele
TODAY, dad, who is not a believer and has the same black sense of humour 
as me,  kept saying to me like: "I bet Jesus wasn't feeling that great 
today, knowing he was going


- Original Message -
From: Judy  
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Date: Saturday, 8 April 2017 8:20 am
Subject: [JAWS-Users] flexible website




What were the keystrokes for the flexible website to change things 
around? I

thought I saved it, but of course I didn't. Thanks. Judy & Libby







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Re: [JAWS-Users] flexible website

[Tom]

she just stated a basic fact. this is a jaws list

-Original Message- 
From: kurt miller

Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2017 7:20 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] flexible website

Angel,
Chill out!! Without God, you can't even explain how you are alive to even 
make this complaint. God bless your soul.



On Apr 13, 2017, at 7:38 AM, Angel238  wrote:

I feel I need to remind those on this list, it is not a religious list. 
People who aren't Christian shouldn't have to read such posts.  Believing 
they are about a Jaws related subject.  If posts as are these are posted 
on a non religious list, they should have appropriate subject lines.  So 
people who aren't Christian might skip them.
- Original Message - From: "Michele Thredgold" 


To: 
Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2017 3:36 AM
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] flexible website


What a beautiful service! I started reading through it this morning, but 
had visitors and then took a nap so that I would be OK for tonight. I 
love how the Jewish Passover flows over into our Lord's last supper. How 
I love the Saviour!
die on the cross tomorrow" and "Did Jesus eat a lot the night before?" 
and "I wouldn't have forgiven them", referring to the soldiers and those 
who sentenced him to death. I know that they sound like irreverent 
comments, but my Dad really does respect my faith, and often, his humour 
is what he uses when he's either uncomfortable with those or feeling a 
deep emotion. Erika will verify this because she knows him well. Can you 
please pray especially, this Easter, that Our Lord and Saviour will give 
him a new understand of what His crucifixion really means for him 
personally, and for us as a family? I am praying that Dad will make that 
last remark again and that God will give me the words to explain that the 
whole point of Jesus' death was to forgive all mankind of our sins. But, 
having never been to church as a boy, theology is not one of my Dad's 
strong points. I believe only the Holy Spirit can speak to him in a 
language that his heart will really understand.


Anyway, I'm just about to feed Ellis and get in the shower. Look forward 
to seeing you tonight.


Your sister in Christ

Michele
TODAY, dad, who is not a believer and has the same black sense of humour 
as me,  kept saying to me like: "I bet Jesus wasn't feeling that great 
today, knowing he was going


- Original Message -
From: Judy  
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Date: Saturday, 8 April 2017 8:20 am
Subject: [JAWS-Users] flexible website




What were the keystrokes for the flexible website to change things 
around? I

thought I saved it, but of course I didn't. Thanks. Judy & Libby







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Re: [JAWS-Users] flexible website

[kurt miller]

Angel,
Chill out!! Without God, you can't even explain how you are alive to even make 
this complaint. God bless your soul.

> On Apr 13, 2017, at 7:38 AM, Angel238  wrote:
> 
> I feel I need to remind those on this list, it is not a religious list. 
> People who aren't Christian shouldn't have to read such posts.  Believing 
> they are about a Jaws related subject.  If posts as are these are posted on a 
> non religious list, they should have appropriate subject lines.  So people 
> who aren't Christian might skip them.
> - Original Message - From: "Michele Thredgold" 
> 
> To: 
> Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2017 3:36 AM
> Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] flexible website
> 
> 
>> What a beautiful service! I started reading through it this morning, but had 
>> visitors and then took a nap so that I would be OK for tonight. I love how 
>> the Jewish Passover flows over into our Lord's last supper. How I love the 
>> Saviour!
>> die on the cross tomorrow" and "Did Jesus eat a lot the night before?" and 
>> "I wouldn't have forgiven them", referring to the soldiers and those who 
>> sentenced him to death. I know that they sound like irreverent comments, but 
>> my Dad really does respect my faith, and often, his humour is what he uses 
>> when he's either uncomfortable with those or feeling a deep emotion. Erika 
>> will verify this because she knows him well. Can you please pray especially, 
>> this Easter, that Our Lord and Saviour will give him a new understand of 
>> what His crucifixion really means for him personally, and for us as a 
>> family? I am praying that Dad will make that last remark again and that God 
>> will give me the words to explain that the whole point of Jesus' death was 
>> to forgive all mankind of our sins. But, having never been to church as a 
>> boy, theology is not one of my Dad's strong points. I believe only the Holy 
>> Spirit can speak to him in a language that his heart will really understand.
>> 
>> Anyway, I'm just about to feed Ellis and get in the shower. Look forward to 
>> seeing you tonight.
>> 
>> Your sister in Christ
>> 
>> Michele
>> TODAY, dad, who is not a believer and has the same black sense of humour as 
>> me,  kept saying to me like: "I bet Jesus wasn't feeling that great today, 
>> knowing he was going
>> 
>> - Original Message -
>> From: Judy  
>> To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
>> Date: Saturday, 8 April 2017 8:20 am
>> Subject: [JAWS-Users] flexible website
>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> What were the keystrokes for the flexible website to change things around? I
>>> thought I saved it, but of course I didn't. Thanks. Judy & Libby
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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>> 
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Re: [JAWS-Users] flexible website

[Angel238]

I feel I need to remind those on this list, it is not a religious list. 
People who aren't Christian shouldn't have to read such posts.  Believing 
they are about a Jaws related subject.  If posts as are these are posted on 
a non religious list, they should have appropriate subject lines.  So people 
who aren't Christian might skip them.
- Original Message - 
From: "Michele Thredgold" 

To: 
Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2017 3:36 AM
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] flexible website


What a beautiful service! I started reading through it this morning, but 
had visitors and then took a nap so that I would be OK for tonight. I love 
how the Jewish Passover flows over into our Lord's last supper. How I love 
the Saviour!
die on the cross tomorrow" and "Did Jesus eat a lot the night before?" and 
"I wouldn't have forgiven them", referring to the soldiers and those who 
sentenced him to death. I know that they sound like irreverent comments, 
but my Dad really does respect my faith, and often, his humour is what he 
uses when he's either uncomfortable with those or feeling a deep emotion. 
Erika will verify this because she knows him well. Can you please pray 
especially, this Easter, that Our Lord and Saviour will give him a new 
understand of what His crucifixion really means for him personally, and 
for us as a family? I am praying that Dad will make that last remark again 
and that God will give me the words to explain that the whole point of 
Jesus' death was to forgive all mankind of our sins. But, having never 
been to church as a boy, theology is not one of my Dad's strong points. I 
believe only the Holy Spirit can speak to him in a language that his heart 
will really understand.


Anyway, I'm just about to feed Ellis and get in the shower. Look forward 
to seeing you tonight.


Your sister in Christ

Michele
TODAY, dad, who is not a believer and has the same black sense of humour 
as me,  kept saying to me like: "I bet Jesus wasn't feeling that great 
today, knowing he was going


- Original Message -
From: Judy  
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Date: Saturday, 8 April 2017 8:20 am
Subject: [JAWS-Users] flexible website




What were the keystrokes for the flexible website to change things 
around? I

thought I saved it, but of course I didn't. Thanks. Judy & Libby







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[JAWS-Users] W10 slowing down when it starts.

[Holger Fiallo]

Using new W10, NVDA, current browser IE. Noticing that now my PC takes several 
minutes to restart when I restar my PC. Before it was very fast. What can I do 
to make it fast again. Did disc cleaning. There is sometime in start where you 
can go to uncheck apps to run unless you do it manually. Help please. Was able 
to do so with W7. 


Holger Fiallo
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Re: [JAWS-Users] flexible website

[Michele Thredgold]

What a beautiful service! I started reading through it this morning, but had 
visitors and then took a nap so that I would be OK for tonight. I love how the 
Jewish Passover flows over into our Lord's last supper. How I love the Saviour! 
die on the cross tomorrow" and "Did Jesus eat a lot the night before?" and "I 
wouldn't have forgiven them", referring to the soldiers and those who sentenced 
him to death. I know that they sound like irreverent comments, but my Dad 
really does respect my faith, and often, his humour is what he uses when he's 
either uncomfortable with those or feeling a deep emotion. Erika will verify 
this because she knows him well. Can you please pray especially, this Easter, 
that Our Lord and Saviour will give him a new understand of what His 
crucifixion really means for him personally, and for us as a family? I am 
praying that Dad will make that last remark again and that God will give me the 
words to explain that the whole point of Jesus' death was to forgive all 
mankind of our sins. But, having never been to church as a boy, theology is not 
one of my Dad's strong points. I believe only the Holy Spirit can speak to him 
in a language that his heart will really understand. 

Anyway, I'm just about to feed Ellis and get in the shower. Look forward to 
seeing you tonight.

Your sister in Christ

Michele
TODAY, dad, who is not a believer and has the same black sense of humour as me, 
 kept saying to me like: "I bet Jesus wasn't feeling that great today, knowing 
he was going 

- Original Message -
From: Judy  
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Date: Saturday, 8 April 2017 8:20 am
Subject: [JAWS-Users] flexible website

>
>
> What were the keystrokes for the flexible website to change things around? I
> thought I saved it, but of course I didn't. Thanks. Judy & Libby
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
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