[lace] Odd request: value of lace bobbins
Sue wrote: or Springett's (I can't remember who their business is now owned by)? Springetts bobbins are now sold by Roseground Supplies http://www.roseground.com/ Jean in Poole, Dorset, UK - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
Re: [lace] Odd request: value of lace bobbins
A gentleman named Mr Shaw I believe from Doncaster was making a lot of bone bobbins, I would think during the early nineties. Also Tony Archer (later son, Ben) - if you had to join a long waiting list then it would have almost certainly been him. Good luck Carrie. Diana in Northamptonshire - Original Message - From: Sue Babbs sueba...@comcast.net To: salafi...@aol.com Cc: lace@arachne.com Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2009 1:45 AM Subject: Re: [lace] Odd request: value of lace bobbins Could the English bone bobbins have been made by Stephen Pearce:? http://homepages.tesco.net/~stephen.pearce/ or Acorn Bobbins: http://acornbobbins.co.uk/index.htm or Chris Parsons: http://www.lace-bobbins.co.uk/bobbins.htm or Painted by Sarah Jones: http://www.paintedlacebobbins.co.uk/home.html or Springett's (I can't remember who their business is now owned by)? Sue - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
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I am sorry that i have been away and not had access to my email. Just a bit off topic... my wife fell and fractured her skull (temporal and mastoid) whilst we were away; 5 days in high depoendency, multi scans, mental tests etc etc. Very scary; but she is making a slow but positive recovery. Its my cooking that is the problem now!! :) [anyone got a better tin opener?] Re Value of bobbins. A few years ago antique bobbins were pretty high in value. I had a page for a while that tracked the prices that ebay and dealers were asking. That is all out of date. The Springett sale really showed that the bottom for antique bobbins had dropped and many good bargains were available for really good quality bobbins. Sure they made a good price, but i had thought that many would have reached far higher prices. (I think the Springetts did too (?) ) Regarding more modern bobbins. The advice that they are worth what people will give stands. Look at what bobbins are getting on ebay. Australian makers, whilst making good bobbins, are not as yet collectors items (in general) and as such they are working tools. Over time they are probably worth a little more than what you paid for them. Their main attraction would be the Australian timbers that many makers use. Some makers have found a niche in making special bobbins that are wanted overseas. The $10,000 (respectfully) is a pipe dream unless you have some excellent and desireable antique bobbins. I am a bit scared to stick my neck out but. Under the circumstances I would set a value at say $2.50 (Aud) each, but do not go above $7.50 (Aud) each ...and all the Australian bobbin makers will be mad at me for sure. Most of us guys think our wives spend squillions on their hobbies, but when I look at the credit card spending, in reality I get close to her. Whoops now your partners will be after me too! :) - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
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Again, is the price paid their worth? And yes it was Malcolm Fielding. That name rings a bell.. I also used the bobbins in teaching lacemaking (which my ex turned into a tax deduction) so I am wondering if the tools of the trade argument that was raised by a gentle soul earlier may not be appropriate also... -Original Message- From: Sue Babbs sueba...@comcast.net To: salafi...@aol.com Cc: lace@arachne.com Sent: Wed, 20 May 2009 7:29 pm Subject: Re: [lace] Odd request: value of lace bobbins Was the Australian bobbin maker, Malcolm Fielding (actually English but moved to Australia in the 1990s)? He made wonderfully smooth bobbins, often intricately turned, from fancy woods. You can see pictures of his work here:? ? http://www.thelacebobbinshop.com/mainframe.htm? ? Look at his 2001 catalogue. (this website isn't very up to date!)? ? I can tell you what I paid for his bobbins in the 1990s if that helps.? ? IOLI convention is in LA this summer, if you didn't know already.? ? Sue? ? - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
Re: [lace] Odd request: value of lace bobbins
I bought mine in the mid 1990's... Dont' know if Mr Pollard was still working then. As I've said I do know I bought Malcolm Fielding bobbins. -Original Message- From: Ruth Budge thelacema...@optusnet.com.au To: lace@arachne.com Sent: Wed, 20 May 2009 8:09 pm Subject: RE: [lace] Odd request: value of lace bobbins No, John Pollard stopped making bobbins some years ago due to ill health. Ruth (Sydney, Australia) -Original Message- From: owner-l...@arachne.com [mailto:owner-l...@arachne.com] On Behalf Of Cindy Rusak Sent: Thursday, 21 May 2009 9:56 AM To: salafi...@aol.com Cc: clayblackw...@comcast.net; lace@arachne.com Subject: Re: [lace] Odd request: value of lace bobbins Hi Carrie, Would the bobbin maker have been John Pollard? I had planned to purchase bobbins from him several years ago but didn't get around to it. Does anyone know if he still makes bobbins? I may still have a catalogue around - it should turn up in the next couple of weeks as we are moving back to Canada in June. Good luck Carrie, Cindy Rusak - in very hot northern Wisconsin - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
Re: [lace] Odd request: value of lace bobbins
Acorn. That is it. -Original Message- From: Sue Babbs sueba...@comcast.net To: salafi...@aol.com Cc: lace@arachne.com Sent: Wed, 20 May 2009 8:45 pm Subject: Re: [lace] Odd request: value of lace bobbins Could the English bone bobbins have been made by Stephen Pearce:?? http://homepages.tesco.net/~stephen.pearce/? ? or Acorn Bobbins:? http://acornbobbins.co.uk/index.htm? ? or Chris Parsons:? http://www.lace-bobbins.co.uk/bobbins.htm? ? or Painted by Sarah Jones:? ? http://www.paintedlacebobbins.co.uk/home.html? ? or Springett's (I can't remember who their business is now owned by)?? ? Sue? ? - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
[lace] Odd request-value of lace bobbins
I was interested to read Brian's analysis, since he has actually tracked these things. Yes, it was certainly an interesting test case when the Springetts, who have an exceptionally fine, and I would imagine, well provenanced collection of bonafide antique bobbins, not to mention the panache of the items having belonged to David Springett, an excellent bobbin maker, and scholar, failed to succeed at auction. I am not a dealer, but I was named in the will of an elderly lacemaker to assist her heirs in realizing money for her lace things after her death, since, unless very carefully marketed, such things are almost universally put out for the garbage man as worthless. (Alternative valuation to $10,000, $0.00) In fact, I am sure that I am not the only person who has actually been given lace equipment by people who are moving to retirement communities and need to divest themselves of bulky items and cannot find a buyer. Much as they would like to sell the items, since none of them are wealthy, they can find no buyers within a reasonable time. I always take the profferred item, on the off chance that someday there will be a young person who would like to learn lace, but will be unable to put out the money to start learning the craft. Sometimes, too, the family of a deceased lacemaker will take the lace items to the lace group and try to sell them to the friends of the deceased lacemaker. This often takes months, wears down the patience of whomever is responsible for putting the items out, and the sales are often to people who are buying the used pieces as sentimental remembrances of their deceased friend, and even then, they will pay only a minimal price for the friend's item. Selling a collection of bobbins, mostly working type, but with a few antiques, or painted ones, is no easy task. The person who undertakes to sell the estate bobbins or lace pillows has to haul them around to lace days and lay them all out prettily. Thus, they have to know when and where lace days are, and be invited to deal at them, sometimes paying for the opportunity to sell. I really can only think of a couple of people in the US who would have the infrastructure to provide such a service, and I imagine that even they pick and choose the bobbins that it seems likely that they can sell and refuse to take others. Selling a collection of bobbins, many of which will say things like Metro Chapter Lace Day, November 1995 on them, is a formidable chore, for which the dealer is entitled to a fair amount of the sales price. Suffice it to say, it is not easy to find a buyer for a used bobbin in the US, where we have only about 1500 members of our lace organization. One can attempt to sell bobbins on ebay, and while it is a larger public to which you are addressing yourself, it is not as focused. Also, many lacemakers are not computer savvy, may not have computers and may not want to deal with strangers, and reveal financial information to pay pal. When Holly is selling estate items, she is putting pictures on the internet, and printing them in catalogues, and these are one off items, expensive to advertise, but not very valuable to sell. Commemorative bobbins for small lace days that you haven't attended have no appeal whatsoever to another buyer, at least not to me. Likewise, interest in unusual Australian woods is not something that I hear being widely discussed here, and without full documentation of what the wood and maker are, ie. the equivalent of the vintage Barbie doll in the original box are really just another odd shaped stick. You may like Eleanor of Acquitane, but I prefer Mary Queen of Scots. Like old theatre programs, these bobbins may have emotional value to you, but they don't to anyone else. Now we are in a recession. The bobbin buying public (small as it is) is holding back on purchases. For the most part, we are over 50 years old, a segment of the population that has been hit hard by losses in their retirement funds. We are also women, already disadvantaged economically, and likely to cut back on purchases for ourselves in order to finance children's education, etc. The lacemakers who took up lace making in the craft revival of the 1970s are, sadly, dying. These people, such as my friend, may have thousands of bobbins, which are being dumped on the second hand market. Meanwhile, our craft is not being taken up by anyone young. There is no younger generation of lacemakers coming onto the scene to buy the equipment that is being sold by the families of deceased lacemakers. The membership numbers of the International Old Lacers have been remarkably static for the last 20 years. A great many of our members are, in fact, this group that began in the 1970s, and many of them were in their 50's when they started. Not only are they not among the potential buyers for nicely made bobbins, but they
Re: [lace] Odd request: value of lace bobbins
Surely that means that they are exactly that tools of the trade. Unless you declared to the tax people that you are never going to teach again, then you may take it up again and you can't unless you have tools of the trade! Mind you, American law is probably different to English law. Sue in EY where it can't make up its mind whether to be sunny, cloudy or rain! On 21 May 2009, at 13:52, salafi...@aol.com wrote: I also used the bobbins in teaching lacemaking (which my ex turned into a tax deduction) so I am wondering if the tools of the trade argument that was raised by a gentle soul earlier may not be appropriate also... - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
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This advise sounds like king Solomon To be totally honest, if your husband thinks your bobbin collection is worth $10,000, I think you should insist that he take it as part of the marital settlement, it is the best offer that you are going to get for it. - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
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I love it!!!That's the best suggestion I've heard yet!! Ruth thelacema...@optusnet.com.au -Original Message- From: owner-l...@arachne.com [mailto:owner-l...@arachne.com] On Behalf Of J. Falkink Sent: Friday, 22 May 2009 4:25 AM To: dmt11h...@aol.com; lace@arachne.com; salafi...@aol.com Subject: RE: [lace] Odd request-value of lace bobbins This advise sounds like king Solomon To be totally honest, if your husband thinks your bobbin collection is worth $10,000, I think you should insist that he take it as part of the marital settlement, it is the best offer that you are going to get for it. - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
[lace] Odd request: value of lace bobbins
Dear List: It's been a while since I've been active in lacemaking during a recent move, several of my projects were damaged. I'd hoped that I might have found someone in NE who was willing to provide professional assistance in possibly righting the wrongs done to the threads... and I am still hoping. Now I have another request. I own many lace bobbins. My (rather hasty) move was in the context of leaving the marital home, and in the course of settlement, my (hopefully soon to be ex) husband claims that my lace bobbins are worth $10,000. Would anyone be willing to give me a fee they would charge to come down and evaluate the value of my bobbins? pillows? maybe he even wants me to cost out the threads? But seriously, I need advice. How does one value bobbins? I have some nice bone ones, some fancy wood ones, etc... Embarrassed but grateful to anyone who wants to respond to me off list at carolyn.sala...@gmail.com Thanks very much to all in advance. I keep saying when my life settles down I'm getting back to lace... One of the projects I'm trying to salvage is a 3/4 done edging for what I hope to be my daughter's wedding handkerchief... Started it when she was 7, now she is 15... I still ahve some time but... Again, apologies to the list but thanking anyone who can help, Sincerely Carrie Salafia - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
Re: [lace] Odd request: value of lace bobbins
Hi Carrie - I am so sorry to hear about what you're having to go through. I know that you were wanting to be brief, but you didn't give us some important information. What state are you in? That would help us identify someone relatively nearby who might help. Also, you didn't say how old these bobbins are or how (or when) you came by them. If you inherited them, for example, then soon-to-be-ex may be out of luck. In some states, inherited property is exempt. If they're bobbins you bought in the last 15 years or so, then they're worth about what you paid for them. If they're more vintage, they may be worth more, or they may be worth less, and that's where you'd need someone who knows bobbins. And you didn't say how many bobbins you have either. I'd say that unless you have 1,000 old bobbins (with *some* nice bone and fancy wood), then your bobbins are not worth $10,000. In his dreams! Sounds like he has a collection of something of his own that he wants to keep!! If so, I'd use that as a bargaining tool. (You *do* have a good attorney, don't you?) Old bobbins are really worth what someone will pay for them. If you watch bobbins on ebay, this goes up and down, sometimes for no apparent reason at all except maybe someone who had been bidding high has gotten enough bobbins for her collection and has left the field. Take care, good luck, and hang in there. There is life after divorce... Clay Clay Blackwell Lynchburg, VA, USA salafi...@aol.com wrote: Dear List: It's been a while since I've been active in lacemaking during a recent move, several of my projects were damaged. I'd hoped that I might have found someone in NE who was willing to provide professional assistance in possibly righting the wrongs done to the threads... and I am still hoping. Now I have another request. I own many lace bobbins. My (rather hasty) move was in the context of leaving the marital home, and in the course of settlement, my (hopefully soon to be ex) husband claims that my lace bobbins are worth $10,000. Would anyone be willing to give me a fee they would charge to come down and evaluate the value of my bobbins? pillows? maybe he even wants me to cost out the threads? But seriously, I need advice. How does one value bobbins? I have some nice bone ones, some fancy wood ones, etc... Embarrassed but grateful to anyone who wants to respond to me off list at carolyn.sala...@gmail.com Thanks very much to all in advance. I keep saying when my life settles down I'm getting back to lace... One of the projects I'm trying to salvage is a 3/4 done edging for what I hope to be my daughter's wedding handkerchief... Started it when she was 7, now she is 15... I still ahve some time but... Again, apologies to the list but thanking anyone who can help, Sincerely Carrie Salafia - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
RE: [lace] Odd request: value of lace bobbins
No, John Pollard stopped making bobbins some years ago due to ill health. Ruth (Sydney, Australia) -Original Message- From: owner-l...@arachne.com [mailto:owner-l...@arachne.com] On Behalf Of Cindy Rusak Sent: Thursday, 21 May 2009 9:56 AM To: salafi...@aol.com Cc: clayblackw...@comcast.net; lace@arachne.com Subject: Re: [lace] Odd request: value of lace bobbins Hi Carrie, Would the bobbin maker have been John Pollard? I had planned to purchase bobbins from him several years ago but didn't get around to it. Does anyone know if he still makes bobbins? I may still have a catalogue around - it should turn up in the next couple of weeks as we are moving back to Canada in June. Good luck Carrie, Cindy Rusak - in very hot northern Wisconsin - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
Re: [lace] Odd request: value of lace bobbins
Could the English bone bobbins have been made by Stephen Pearce:? http://homepages.tesco.net/~stephen.pearce/ or Acorn Bobbins: http://acornbobbins.co.uk/index.htm or Chris Parsons: http://www.lace-bobbins.co.uk/bobbins.htm or Painted by Sarah Jones: http://www.paintedlacebobbins.co.uk/home.html or Springett's (I can't remember who their business is now owned by)? Sue - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
Re: [lace] Odd request: value of lace bobbins
Holly Van Sciver sells estate bobbins, which means she has to put a value on them, taking into account whether they are antiques, or whether they are newly made, and possibly depreciated. Perhaps, for a fee, she could evaluate the bobbins, based on sales that she has made, ie. what they call in the business, comps. Perhaps a better value would be what she would pay for them than the price that she realizes on sale, after taking her commission. Another route would be to print out the bobbin section of her catalogue and use it as a comparison to establish the retail value of various bobbins at this time. Perhaps you can divide them into antiques and modern made and establish an average per bobbin price using the catalogue, of perhaps $10 or so. Possibly a better idea would be to agree to split the bobbin collection down the middle and let your husband have half of them to dispose of on the market as he likes. I am certain he couldn't object to this if he believes his half to be worth $5000. You could then have $5000 worth from the rest of the marital assets, such as the bank account, instead of the bobbins. You could put them on the floor and take turns picking, for total fairness. Flip a coin to see who goes first. Devon In a message dated 5/20/2009 5:36:14 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, salafi...@aol.com writes: Dear List: It's been a while since I've been active in lacemaking during a recent move, several of my projects were damaged. I'd hoped that I might have found someone in NE who was willing to provide professional assistance in possibly righting the wrongs done to the threads... and I am still hoping. Now I have another request. I own many lace bobbins. My (rather hasty) move was in the context of leaving the marital home, and in the course of settlement, my (hopefully soon to be ex) husband claims that my lace bobbins are worth $10,000. Would anyone be willing to give me a fee they would charge to come down and evaluate the value of my bobbins? pillows? maybe he even wants me to cost out the threads? But seriously, I need advice. How does one value bobbins? I have some nice bone ones, some fancy wood ones, etc... Embarrassed but grateful to anyone who wants to respond to me off list at carolyn.sala...@gmail.com Thanks very much to all in advance. I keep saying when my life settles down I'm getting back to lace... One of the projects I'm trying to salvage is a 3/4 done edging for what I hope to be my daughter's wedding handkerchief... Started it when she was 7, now she is 15... I still ahve some time but... Again, apologies to the list but thanking anyone who can help, Sincerely Carrie Salafia - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com **Dell Inspiron 15 Laptop: Now in 6 vibrant colors! Shop Dellâs full line of laptops. (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222399266x1201456865/aol?redir=http :%2F%2Fad.doubleclick.net%2Fclk%3B215073777%3B3703434 3%3Bf) - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
