LI Jokes for Wednesday
Sue Hartigan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The Top 15 Signs You Read Too Many Comic Books 15 More than a little disappointed you didn't get invited to Superman's wedding. 14 Keep memorizing words like "SSPPLLAATT", "KAPOW", and "BLAO" for school spelling bee. 13 Your resume lists your last three jobs as Defender of the Galaxy, Sidekick to Defender of the Galaxy, and Assistant Manager of Inter-Galactic 7-11. 12 You shout "Curses! Foiled again" when they forget the catsup at the drive-through. 11 You whack your boss over the head with a hammer and are surprised when his skull doesn't pop back into shape. 10 Despite repeated attempts to stop speeding cars with your bare hands, neighbors still think you're just a suicidal lunatic. 9 At age 43, you set the regional subscription record for Grit Magazine. 8 Your compulsive self-narrative renders you too transparent for a career in real estate or car repair. 7 You're the only one wearing a cape at step aerobics. 6 "Holy 40-year-old virgin, Batman!" 5 Wife is getting tired of you introducing her as "My trusty sidekick." 4 Most of your sick days are due to "the effects of the earth's yellow sun." 3 Refusing to admit you're drunk, you vow revenge on the evil "Flaccidus" for your inability to "perform." 2 Your secret identity keeps drinking all the beer. and Top5's Number 1 Sign You Read Too Many Comic Books... 1 Your attempts at becoming "Danger Cloud" are proving hard on the underwear. - Top Ten Signs You Might Be A Sysadmin 10. You see a bumper sticker that says "Users are Losers" and you have no idea it is referring to drugs. 9. Your sleep schedule is similar to that of the great horned owl. 8. You make more than all of the MBAs you know who actually finished college. 7. You have enough computing power in your house or apartment to render obscene pictures of upper management people. 6. Your idea of a social event is going to a Non-Disclosure Discussion. 5. The last time you wore a tie was your high school graduation. 4. The last time you kissed someone was in high school. 3. "What? No raise? No Backups, then!" 2. You have a vanity plate on your car that names part of the Unix File System. And the number one sign you might be a Sysadmin... 1. You have ever uttered the phrase "I will be working from home today so I can avoid wearing pants." Top 25 Explanations by Programmers when their programs don't work: 1. Strange... 2. I've never heard about that. 3. It did work yesterday. 4. Well, the program needs some fixing. 5. How is this possible? 6. The machine seems to be broken. 7. Has the operating system been updated? 8. The user has made an error again. 9. There is something wrong in your test data. 10. I have not touched that module! 11. Yes yes, it will be ready in time. 12. You must have the wrong executable. 13. Oh, it's just a feature. 14. I'm almost ready. 15. Of course, I just have to do these small fixes. 16. It will be done in no time at all. 17. It's just some unlucky coincidense. 18. I can't test everything! 19. THIS can't do THAT. 20. Didn't I fix it already? 21. It's already there, but it has not been tested. 22. It works, but it's not been tested. 23. Somebody must have changed my code. 24. There must be a virus in the application software. 25. Even though it does not work, how does it feel? - There's this guy on a bar, just looking at his drink. He stays like that for half-an-hour. Then, this big trouble-making truck driver steps next to him, takes the drink from the guy, and just drinks it all down. The poor man starts crying. The truck driver says: "Come on man, I was just joking. Here, I'll buy you another drink. I just can't see a man crying." "No, it's not that. This day is the worst of my life. First, I fall asleep, and I go late to my office. My boss, outrageous, fires me. When I leave the building, to my car, I found out it was stolen. The police, they say they can do nothing. I get a cab to return home, and when I leave it, I remember I left my wallet and credit cards there. The cab driver just drives away. I go home, and when I get there, I find my wife in bed with the gardener. I leave home, and come to this bar. And when I was thinking about putting an end to my life, you show up and drink my poison . . ." --- Three boys are in the schoolyard bragging of how great their fathers are. The first one says: "Well, my father runs the fastest. He can fire an arrow, and start to run, I tell you, he gets there before the arrow". The second one says: "Ha! You think that's fast! My father is a hunter. He can shoot his gun and be there before the bullet". The third one listens to the other two and shakes his head. He then says: "You two know nothing about fast. My father is a civil servant. He stops working at 4:30 and he is home by
Re: LI Lawyer Sees Simpson 'Confession'
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Viola Provenzano) writes: Hi Sue, Petrocelli just might be right about the "creeping confession." One of thr media's anchorwomen said, after a recent face-to-face interrvieew with Simpson, that each time he answered a question about the muders he "seemed to be at war with himself." Vi "What the world needs more of is not love, but justice." Anon. __ You wrote: . . . Little by little, he acknowledges it.'' _ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
LI Many promising cancer drugs in the pipeline
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Many promising cancer drugs in the pipeline 04:37 p.m May 06, 1998 Eastern By Maggie Fox, Health and Science Correspondent WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Two drugs that work together to starve out tumors in mice may show great promise but are far from being the only new weapons being developed in the fight against cancer, researchers said Wednesday. More than 300 new therapies are currently being tested, ranging from drugs that directly target tumors, to vaccines that turn the body's defenses against tumors, to gene therapy that aims to stop cancer at the most basic level. The two compounds that drew such attention this week, angiostatin and endostatin, take an indirect route. Known as angiogenesis inhibitors, they starve tumors by stopping them from growing new blood vessels to feed themselves. Rockville, Maryland-based EntreMed is developing the drugs, which are at least a year away from clinical trials in humans. ``They need to make enough of this stuff,'' Dr. Ted Gansler of the American Cancer Society said in a telephone interview. ''Mice are a lot smaller than people. It doesn't take much material to cure a mouse.'' Several other companies are working on the same approach. Some, smarting from the huge publicity EntreMed has won, have been sending out ``me too'' announcements about their own drugs. For instance, Pennsylvania-based Magainin Pharmaceuticals Inc. has its compound, squalamine, in Phase I safety trials in human volunteers. Derived from shark tissue, squalamine is also an inhibitor of angiogenesis. La Jolla, California-based Agouron has started Phase II/III safety and efficacy trials of its compound AG3340, another drug that blocks blood vessel formation and which patients could take as a pill. Other companies include Boston Life Sciences, whose troponin I is derived from human cells, Techniclone Corp and Ilex Oncology Inc., whose ``tumor homing peptide'' is linked to the anti-cancer drug doxorubicin in a compound called ImTHP-dox, which the company says seeks out and destroys developing blood vessels in tumors. In Britain, the Cancer Research Campaign charity said it hoped to test combretastatin A4 on humans in November. In animals it has killed off up to 95 percent of solid tumor cells by starving them of their blood supply. A synthetic derivative of the extract of the African bush willow, combretastatin was developed by Bob Pettit of Arizona State University. It is licensed to Oxigene, a Swedish medical technology company. Then there are the vaccines. In Los Angeles the John Wayne Cancer
Re: LI Cancer Drugs Face Long Road From Mice to Men
Sue Hartigan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Terry: I solved the National Cancer question. I didn't mention the name it is in the report from the National Cancer Society. :) Here is what it says: "Information on these clinical trials is available from the National Cancer Institute (1-800-4-Cancer)." Sue Hi Sue, The report you printed said it came from the National Cancer Institute. As I mentioned I was careless in not noticing that the American Cancer Society was used in the report. The names seemed to be used interchangeably in the article when I reread it. You yourself mentioned the article came from the NCI in one post. -- Two rules in life: 1. Don't tell people everything you know. 2. Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
Re: LI Cancer Drugs Face Long Road From Mice to Men
"Ronald Helm" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Nope, I've seen that tactic of posting some stupid statement and then trying to back pedal to a position where it appears the person who posted it had some credibility. I don't apologize for speaking out against those kind of posts and those kind of tactics. IMO, they hinder the exchange of REAL ideas and concepts. Is this a sign of things to come from our new assistant list operator? I believe that Terry has much more credibility than anyone on this list. How could you ever expect to exchange REAL ideas and concepts if everyone agrees with you and those who have chosen to be your yes-men? Ron To succeed in politics, it is often necessary to rise above your principles. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
Re: LI Kelly J West - New to list?????????????????
"Steve Wright" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Yippee I not a dunce lol, but don't ask my systems analysis tutor. Welcome to the list, I look forward to reading your posts, at the moment I dont have time to sleep. Steve : ) -Original Message- From: Kelly J West [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wednesday, May 06, 1998 9:47 PM Subject: Re: LI Kelly J West - New to list? [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Kelly J West) writes: Yup! I am new to these here parts Steve, so you can relax, your not a dunce! (: Kelly I may be a complete dunce but your name does not ring a bell are you new to these here parts? If not then opps I am what I say I am : ) Let me know the suspense is killing me. Steve _ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
LI LAW EXAM TOMORROW
"Steve Wright" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hello my friends both new and old, I have my final Law exam tomorrow, so please keep your fingers crossed. Steve XXX === Lifes a beach and I'm on it, Jah Wobble. === PERSONAL EMAIL TO: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
Re: LI Steve-Biggest bang recorded
"Steve Wright" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: WOW Sue thats one hell of a bang g, nearly as load as the one that was recorded when the telephone bill came lol. Mind blowing stuff, its hard to imagine how much energy that really is Gotta run as I have had 3 assignments returned with "rewrite" written on them in big letters sob. Steve -Original Message- From: Sue Hartigan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wednesday, May 06, 1998 10:06 PM Subject: LI Steve-Biggest bang recorded Sue Hartigan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: WASHINGTON, May 6 (UPI) _ Astronomers report they have witnessed the largest explosion ever recorded in the universe, and may rival most other releases of energy since the big bang. In the space of a few seconds, the far-distant, mysterious explosion hurled out more than 100 times the energy the sun will emit during its entire 10-billion-year lifetime. Shri Kulkarni, the leader of one of several teams that have analyzed the discovery, says even space scientists used to thinking in universe- scale numbers find that energy ``mind-boggling.'' Kulkarni's California Institute of Technology team and another based at Columbia University present their findings in Thursday's issue of the British journal Nature and at a press briefing Wednesday at NASA headquarters in Washington. The explosion is called a gamma-ray burst, a phenomenon known since the 1950s. Two features of this discovery in particular, however, are likely to force scientists to redefine previous theories about origin of these bursts: _First, its almost unimaginable energy. Gamma Ray Burst 971214, named after the date last December when it occurred, was hundreds of times more powerful than scientists predicted possible. In its lifetime, estimated at two to 10 seconds, the gamma ray burst emitted energy roughly equal to that generated in a similar short period by all 10 billion trillion stars in the entire universe. _Second, its distance. The burst occurred about 12 billion light- years away. A light year is the distance light travels in a vacuum in a year, or 5.88 trillion miles (9.46 trillion kilometers). Only last year did the Caltech team definitively prove that gamma-ray bursts come from outside the Milky Way galaxy, which is only about 100,000 light-years across. The two features _ energy and distance _ are actually related, says astronomer Charles Meegan of NASA's Marshall Space Flight Center. The Huntsville, Ala.-based expert points out that ``you'd have to hold a light bulb awfully close to your eye before it started looking as bright as the sun.'' Meegan says of the discovery, ``Realizing now how powerful and distant these bursts are is like when people realized that the points of light in the night sky were really stars like our own sun.'' Pinpointing these bursts is a recent accomplishment because gamma rays are so powerful they simply pass through a telescope's mirror like sunlight passes through window glass. The explosion itself is also over in a matter of seconds. GRB971214 was first captured by the Italian-Dutch satellite called BeppoSAX, which for the first time can at least narrow down the location of a gamma-ray burst to a region of space smaller than the size the moon. David Helfand of Columbia University received the alert from Rome at 11:15 p.m. on a Sunday night last December. He told United Press International, ``It was probably the first time I've been in my office at that hour in 20 years. If I hadn't been there, we would have missed it.'' He quickly called colleagues at the Kitt Peak Observatory in Tucson, Ariz., who happened to have a camera attached to the 2.4-meter telescope that night. Over the next two nights, infrared images revealed an object in the constellation Ursa Major that was quickly fading. As the burst's energy receded, Kulkarni's team at Mauna Kea, Hawaii, began to see a very faint, fuzzy body. The huge light-gathering ability of the 10-meter Keck II telescope had found ``not just a star-light object, but a host galaxy at the exact position,'' Kulkarni says. With the explosion's source in sight, the Caltech team could calculate its distance, and thus energy. NASA's Compton Gamma-Ray Observatory spacecraft, which detected GRB971214, has picked up about 2,000 gamma-ray bursts so far. The phenomenon was unknown until military satellites, launched to monitor nuclear testing in the 1950s, detected the bursts. They had not been observed before that, because the Earth's atmosphere blocks gamma rays. -- Two rules in life: 1. Don't tell people everything you know. 2. Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
LI Starr-Scaife
moonshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Mornin', As reported last evening the fired lead investigator for the House committee headed by Dan Burton was the man responsible for the Arkansas Project..a group set up to defame Bill and Hillary Clinton. The following may provide a little insight into the investigation of the first couple. Richard Mellon Scaife (RMS) gave $2.4 million to American Spectator and they used at least $1.8 million to help create the Arkansas Project. They broke the state trooper allegation, a trooper later admitted he lied. RMS also funds the Independent Women's Forum, run by Barbara Olson, who funded legal assistance in the Paula Jones case by Kenneth Starr. Barbara Olson is the wife of Theodore Olson, a board member of American Spectator and is a former partner and close friend of Kenneth Starr. The American Spectator, through Parker Dozhier, provides cash and gratuities to David Hale before tesifying against President Clinton and Susan McDougal at the behest of Kenneth Starr. It was Hale's changed testimony that was the crucial evidence in the guilty finding against McDougal. RMS gave $1.1 million to Pepperdine Univ. to create the specific position offered to Kenneth Starr. RMS funds the Rutherford Institute which supports the Paula Jones case. Legal assistance in that case was offered by Starr. RMS funds the Fund for a Living American Government who gave $50 thousand to the Jones legal fund. RMS also funds the Lynde and Harry Bradley Foundation who support Paula Jones. Is this man Starr really an Independent Council or could there be something more sinister going on. ...Mac Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
Re: LI Starr-Scaife
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: moonshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Is this man Starr really an Independent Council or could there be something more sinister going on. ...Mac Hi Mac, He is probably an Evil Evidence Planter (EEP) who forced Monica Lewinsky to visit the White House dozens of times to tempt President Clinton to betray his marriage vows but we are glad to know he says he manfully resisted. Clinton could prove he is innocent if he wasn't forced to defend rights of the office of the presidency by claiming executive privilege. That is really a noble sacrifice that everyone has to admire. Many of the charges you claim to be facts are like those coming out of the Arkansas Project funded by the new bete-noir of clintonistas. They are simply unproven. Best, Terry "Lawyer - one trained to circumvent the law" - The Devil's Dictionary Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
Re: LI Starr-Scaife
moonshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Mac, He is probably an Evil Evidence Planter (EEP) who forced Monica Lewinsky to visit the White House dozens of times to tempt President Clinton to betray his marriage vows but we are glad to know he says he manfully resisted. Clinton could prove he is innocent if he wasn't forced to defend rights of the office of the presidency by claiming executive privilege. That is really a noble sacrifice that everyone has to admire. It is after all his legal right to do so. One may disagree with his claim and find it to haveno merit but, if he believes it has merit then the claim is valid and should be heard. It's hard to make a decision on the basis of the claim when the particulars are unknown. My stance is based solely on his legal right to assert the privilage and let the courts decide. An appeal of of Judge Holloway's decision has not been filed ( contrary to some others beliefs) and I do feel it is a case that the Supreme court should revisit. There is alot more at stake than Clinton's current assertion. I have yet to see any evidence regarding the 37 visits to the White House were to see Clinton. She afterall worked there and had many friends still employed there. Under oath they both have claimed there was no sexual relations between them. Everything else is speculation. Many of the charges you claim to be facts are like those coming out of the Arkansas Project funded by the new bete-noir of clintonistas. They are simply unproven. Many of the charges are facts. They are undisputed while others are disputed. I believeI left it up to the reader to form there own opinion. I have mine but I may be persuaded otherwise as the case unfolds. I do believe both sides of the aisle have been disingenuous in the whole mess which IMO is a disservice to the people. ...Mac Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
Re: LI LAW EXAM TOMORROW
Kathy E [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Steve Good luck and I hope you do well! :) Let us know how you think you did :) Steve Wright wrote: "Steve Wright" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hello my friends both new and old, I have my final Law exam tomorrow, so please keep your fingers crossed. Steve XXX === Lifes a beach and I'm on it, Jah Wobble. === PERSONAL EMAIL TO: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues -- Kathy E "I can only please one person a day, today is NOT your day, and tomorrow isn't looking too good for you either" http://members.delphi.com/kathylaw/ Law Issues Mailing List http://pw1.netcom.com/~kathye/rodeo.html - Cowboy Histories http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Lobby/2990/law.htm Crime photo's Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
LI Newt in New Hampshire
moonshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Afternoon, Newt Gingrich has visited New Hampshire for the third time for some believe is a prelim towards his running for president. He was there to give a speach on policy to the New Hampshire legislators. When asked before his speach about the investigation of the president he declined comment saying he was there to speak on policy. Once he got to the podium it was a different story. He launched into an attack on Web Hubbell and the president. All of the Democrat legislators walked out. I would like to think he could put aside his own personal beliefs and give the fine people of New Hampshire from both sides of the aisle what they came for. ...Mac Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
Re: LI Cancer Drugs Face Long Road From Mice to Men
moonshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: William J. Foristal wrote: HI Mac, Even the original story in the New York paper was basically correct in its reporting. Thousands of candidate compounds are screened every year to evaluate potential activity against cancer cells. 99% of these are quickly discarded due to safety or non-efficacy reasons. Among the few that pass the initial studies, a very small per cent of THOSE are considered as possible breakthroughs in the long battle against cancer. So the basic reality is that this IS a newsworthy story. Unfortunately, and this has happened many times in the past, the general public creates a tidal wave of interest and hope that usually exceeds the reality of the situation. Especially with the stock market prices of shares of the companies involved as well as with the unfortunate people who have cancer and are desperate for a cure before it is too late. I think it is appropriate to direct some criticism towards the FDA and how they handle the approval process for these promising drugs. I agree with that. The procees seems to move at a snails pace. But even the initial media coverage can not be considered a hoax, IMO. And even IF the initial story was misleading in its optimism, subsequent media coverage has put this breakthrough in proper perspective with respect to timing and probability of success. It's a shame that some people think they have to make outrageous claims simply to appear knowledgable about everything. I tried report the story as I heard it. If someone has knowledge of these drugs and their success rate then of course I welcome any info. I, myself, never heard of them nor seen them mentioned on list list prior to the story coming out. The fact remains that the public was informed the advances made with these drugs although the media hyped the story.As with any new finding's, or new to the public anyway, they should be treated with caution but I welcome the news and do not see it as a hoax nor puffing of research. ...Mac Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
Re: LI Cancer Drugs Face Long Road From Mice to Men
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (William J. Foristal) writes: On Wed, 6 May 1998 18:31:42 -0700 "Ronald Helm" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: "Ronald Helm" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: For the media to report a "cure for cancer" as it did, is just as much a hoax (deliberate deception) as Piltdown Man. Ron ( The Disgrace to His Profession) HI Ron, Did you read the media stories on this? Did you read the NY Times story, which seems to be the center of the controversy? I don't think even the Times stated that this was a cure for cancer. Bill _ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
Re: LI Thanks and Solutions :)
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (William J. Foristal) writes: Hi Kaye, Hiya Kaysie, Your wish is my command. :) You've got your work cut out for you, though. Ed was much closer to being straightened out than I am. G Bill On Wed, 06 May 1998 14:42:47 -0400 Kaye [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Kaye [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hey BillyJ... Does this mean attitude adjustments should now be directed your way? Boy... I just DID get Ed straightened out... geez. My offer still stands... if you need me to do anything... like shut up or sumpin'.. just lemme know. :) K _ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
Re: LI Viagra Falls?
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (William J. Foristal) writes: On Wed, 6 May 1998 14:20:10 EDT DocCec [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: DocCec [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In a message dated 98-05-06 13:24:27 EDT, you write: I think that any trickle down associated with the Viagara product is a bad sign and indicates one should call the doctor immediately! :) Bill Only if it's blue, Bill. Of course there are those blinding headaches mentioned in the list of side effects, so... Interesting article in today's WashPost talking about "Viagra Divorce" -- similar in some ways to what they call Prozac Divorce -- wives who are fairly content with what they've got and don't really want some aging stud monkey in their bedchambers. Doc HI Doc, Call me Mr. Blue. :) IMO, marriages or relationships that depend upon sex as the sole reason for existing aren't strong enough to withstand many problems. But what do I know? ;) Bill _ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
Re: LI Executive Privilege
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (William J. Foristal) writes: On Wed, 6 May 1998 19:30:29 -0700 "Ronald Helm" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: "Ronald Helm" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Clinton Said Ready To Appeal WASHINGTON (AP) - A decision has been made to appeal following a judge's refusal to block key legal questioning of White House aides, according to a Clinton confidant. A White House legal team met to discuss the battle over executive privilege. Earlier, President Clinton had said his claim of executive privilege in the Monica Lewinsky case was ``quite different'' from the landmark battle in the Watergate scandal over Richard Nixon's White House tapes. Of course he will appeal, so as to tie up the process another 6 months. Here he plans to appeal and previously denied that he invoked executive privilege...hmmm. Ron Hi Ron, Your bias against Clinton seems to cause you to misstate the facts. Clinton never denied invoking executive privilege. He never acknowledged invoking it. Big difference. Bill _ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
Re: LI Cancer Drugs Face Long Road From Mice to Men
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (William J. Foristal) writes: Hi Sue, I have no quarrel with you. I do with your semantics but that is a small point. You do not make personal attacks like Mac and Bill when you have no logic or reason to back you up. I don't think you would call anyone a liar like they have even when you know someone is lying. :-} I never called you a liar. But I'd have a tad more respect for you if you were merely a liar. Whatever needs you have to feed your ego seems to require the posting of ridiculous and outrageous statements to elicit a strong response from many people followed by your back pedalling and denials, all the while boring people with long winded anecdotes that have nothing to do with what is being discussed. But I will be the first to acknowledge your right to post whatever you choose to post. Others can evaluate, decide and respond as they choose also. I realize this group is a bit tamer than what you encounter on the net news groups, but I think they make themselves understood quite clearly. As you've said, you certainly have the right to make a fool of yourself. The Constitution guarantees it! Bill _ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
Re: LI Cancer Drugs Face Long Road From Mice to Men
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (William J. Foristal) writes: On Wed, 6 May 1998 21:08:46 EDT DocCec [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: DocCec [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In a message dated 98-05-06 17:15:20 EDT, you write: But I DO think they should fast track these things and even give people who only have six months to live the opportunity to take the drug in spite of the fact it has not passed through the NDA process. They could be part of the Phase I clinical studies. By the time these things move through the beaurocracy it's too late for the people who don't have the time to wait for the NDA approval. I agree, and often that's what's done. In this case, as I understand it, they still need to make enough of the drug to begin human clinical trials. And that takes time. Doc Hi Doc, That's true and it is one thing to synthesize a small amount needed for animal studies and another to develop production even to pilot plant levels. What did they say...a year to get to the point for Phase I studies? Bill _ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
Re: LI Cancer Drugs Face Long Road From Mice to Men
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (William J. Foristal) writes: The only way this could have been correctly labeled a hoax on the part of the researchers is if the research itself had not been done, had not been done as reported, and/or had not yielded the results reported. There is no evidence that any of those "if" statements are true. Ergo, no hoax The only way it could -- even stretching the language to its limits and beyond -- be labeled a hoax on the part of the media is if they had made up the story, misquoted the researchers, misstated the methodology or misstated the results. There is no evidence that any of those statements are true either. IMO what we have here is an interesting and promising development that has unfortunately been reported in the popular media in such a way that those unfamiliar with research did not understand it. The very first reports we read and heard all had the "two years until human testing" caveat attached. I'm sure people missed that, and it's not surprising that they did. But it was there. Language has parameters; it is not infinitely elastic. And "hoax" means deliberately deluding. Doc Hi Doc, Thank you. I think you've summarized the truth of this issue exactly. Bill _ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
Re: LI Cancer Drugs Face Long Road From Mice to Men
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (William J. Foristal) writes: Hi Sue, I think this was the American Cancer Society posting a release from the National Cancer Institute. Bill On Wed, 06 May 1998 15:46:54 -0700 Sue Hartigan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Sue Hartigan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Terry: I am only familiar with the American Cancer Society. I don't know anything about the National one. I'm sorry. The address at the end of this post, after yours, is for the American Cancer Society. Sue Hi Terry: Yes the American Cancer Society did say something. Here is a copy of my post from yesterday. Sue I had read your report, Sue, and did not separate American Cancer Society from National Cancer Institute. I was going to look up NCI to see what it is. Can you tell me if is just an arm of the American Cancer Society or what? http://www.cancer.org/bottomnews.html -- Two rules in life: 1. Don't tell people everything you know. 2. Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues _ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
Re: LI A Cruel Hoax - Guess not.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (William J. Foristal) writes: HI Ron, I guess this article proves once and for all that this is not a hoax, cruel or otherwise. The British researchers confirm that the research drugs do, indeed, show promise in the curing of some cancers. Bill On Wed, 6 May 1998 11:11:54 -0700 "Ronald Helm" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: "Ronald Helm" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: UK to test new cancer drug on humans By Patricia Reaney LONDON (Reuters) - British doctors said Wednesday they expect to begin human trials of a new cancer drug that cuts off blood supply to tumors ahead of U.S. counterparts who are working on a similar approach. Dr David Secher, director of drug development for the Cancer Research Campaign, said the charity hopes to test Combretastatin A4 on humans in November. "Our animal studies have been sufficiently encouraging for us to go into clinical studies. I think it is a very interesting area," Secher told Reuters. Unlike conventional treatments that target the cancer cells themselves, Combretastatin works by selectively damaging blood vessels that supply the cells with the oxygen and nutrients they need to survive and grow. It "starves" the cancer in a similar way to angiostatin and endostatin, two drugs which attracted worldwide interest this week after tests in the United States showed they completely wiped out tumors in mice. Combretastatin is a mad-made derivative of the extract of the African Bush Willow. It was discovered by Professor Bob Pettit, of Arizona State University, which has licensed it to Oxigene, a Swedish medical technology company. News of the U.S. trials of angiostatin and endostatin has sent shares soaring in EntreMed Inc, which has rights to those drugs, despite warnings that they might not produce the same results in humans. EntreMed said it would be at least a year before the drug combination could be tested on humans. The British researchers plan to begin Phase 1 trials for safety and to set the correct dose of Combretastatin in November at the Mount Vernon Hospital in Middlesex, southern England. Dr Dai Chaplin, who will conduct these trials, said the way Combretastatin damages the endothelial cells, which line the blood vessels in the tumor, may be quite different from the U.S. drug combination, but the end result is basically the same. Chaplin found in animal trials a single dose of Combretastatin could kill off up to 95 percent of solid tumor cells by starving them of their blood supply. "As more than 90 percent of cancers are solid tumors, or lumps, we are very excited about its potential as a powerful new weapon to treat cancer patients. It also opens the door for further development of other drugs working on the same principle," Chaplin added. The two-drug U.S. approach of starving cancerous cells was pioneered by Dr Judah Folkman of Boston Children's Hospital in Massachusetts. "It's a very exciting way to go. It's too early to know whether it is the right way to go but it is one of a number of new and exciting approaches," said Secher. Chaplin described the latest drugs as a whole new battlefield against cancer. "Our data and the data coming from Judah's lab in the U.S. is showing that these approaches can work. You're really targeting the blood vessels rather than the tumor cells and I'm sure there is going to be a lot more research which will prove you can do that," he said. To succeed in politics, it is often necessary to rise above your principles. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues _ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
LI UFO Story was a hoax
Steve Wright [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Dear researchers, This has been an interesting week for Ufology. Two stories appeared in the UK national press. The first, featured in the Daily Mail and the Daily Express, and quite clearly a fake, related to the supposed operation of a UFO at between and 24,000mph over the Atlantic Ocean. Despite the fact that the story is known to be a hoax generated by a former Ministry of Defence official with a grudge against his former employer all too many UFO researchers were willing to get excited about this bogus nonsense and claim a cover-up. I wonder what this says for modern Ufology? Even where we were expected to believe that a Dutch Air Force jet was sent to intercept an object travelling 15 times faster than the fighters' highest speed people still believed the lie. Although three radar experts I talked to (two ex-RAF) made it quite clear that the latest radars could NOT determine the shape of an unknown at anything approaching these speeds I was told by ill-informed Ufologists that they knew better than those with technical expertise The second story was featured in the News of the World last Sunday and related to UFO video footage supposedly showing triangular aircraft over Suffolk. The article, written by two journalistic hacks, was a nonsense. It included the comment that UK researcher Nick Redfern had been given 'unprecedented access' to files at the public Records Office. Although Nick is reported to have been allowed access to the PRO basement during the making of a film for the BBC he has no more or less access than any UK national to files made available under the provisions of the 30 Year Rules. No mention was made of any independent evaluation of the so-called 'UFO' footage and the man who took the footage, David Spoor, is convinced that he has made contact with extra-terrestrials. I know all about the events surrounding the filming of the footage and it is not without controversy, I can tell you. No doubt Mr. Spoor feels that there is an ET presence but what I should like to know is how he, or even Graham Birdsall, can make the knowledge claim that what was filmed were "ET spacecraft". This is simply not provable and in any case the answer, IF it relates to triangles I (and this is just not proven either) is very simple and sensible people already know what this is: A joint UK-US team has been testing secret military craft both over the Irish and North Seas for several years. In FACT, sightings of dart-shaped and/or triangular aircraft (possibly based upon Terrence Nonweilers' ground-breaking waverider theories) go back to the late 1960s. Not that Ufologists would know this for they have searching for ET whilst the secret technologies have continued to be developed. Notice how my, and the research of my colleagues, is entirely IGNORED and in fact STIFLED. One example of this is Nick Redfern and Irene Botts' efforts to get me banned from speaking at both local group meetings and National conferences. The latest and most disgusting example of this came just two days ago when Redfern got me barred from speaking at the forthcoming Cornwall UFO Conference. What are they so scared of? Having their bogus claims exposed for what they are? Having spoken both to the author of the Daily Mail article and journalists at the News of the World I am not surprised to learn that they are only interested in alien stories and not objective, factual or fully-referenced research. No wonder I am ruled out even though the story of the development of triangular aircraft from small 12ft versions through to very large boomerang/flying wing aircraft can be traced back to the 1930s! In addition, we are almost in a position to be able to prove that the large triangle seen in our skies are of entirely terrestrial origin and based upon a range of lighter-than-air and stealth technologies. They are silent, able to fly at very low speeds and these have been under development since 1966/7 in the USA and were flown from the late 1970s onwards. They were almost certainly responsible for the Hudson Valley UFO flap in the 1980s. Clearly the alien trash put out by the UFO community allowed the CIA and their Air Force counterparts to operate this secret version of the B2 stealth bomber over the heads of an unsuspecting public.this has continued, in the USA, in Belgium, around the world. Note that UK government asset Nick Pope 'came out' and started talking about alien triangles at almost the same time that a new wave of triangular UFO sightings were reported. I understand that he didn't even write his first book and that it was ghost-written by a man from Sussex! Given the debacle relating to either Peter Wright or David Shayler and their revelations involving UK intelligence secrets one wonders how Pope was able to put out 'his' book and get away with a promotion. His ignorance relating to the many agreements between the US and UK in terms of secret
LI Re: Bill's badge; A cruel hoax?
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (William J. Foristal) writes: On Wed, 6 May 1998 21:40:44 EDT DocCec [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: DocCec [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I've done with this discussion. I've stated my opinions, and see no need to restate them interminably. Next topic? Doc Hi Doc, Where's my badge? I hope that wasn't a cruel hoax. :) Bill _ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
Re: LI Grand Jury secrecy
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (William J. Foristal) writes: On Wed, 6 May 1998 14:20:12 EDT DocCec [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: DocCec [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In a message dated 98-05-06 13:26:21 EDT, you write: Not for a Grand Juror. They are bound by law to keep everything confidential forever. Bil Sounds good, but I suspect it's humanly impossible. Does anyone ever really keep everything confidential forever? Doc HI Doc, There's a big difference between what the law dictates and what people actually do. A ten minute drive on the interstate will illustrate that fact quite effectively. Bill _ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
Re: LI Passive Smoker To Make Legal History
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (William J. Foristal) writes: Hi Sue, Wasn't there a similar class action suit brought by former flight attendants who worked during the days when smoking was allowed on airplanes? Bill On Wed, 06 May 1998 11:48:55 -0700 Sue Hartigan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Sue Hartigan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Steve: The family of a nurse here in the States just tried this. They lost. Sue Passive Smoker To Make Legal History _ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
Re: LI Cancer Drugs Face Long Road From Mice to Men
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (William J. Foristal) writes: On Wed, 6 May 1998 21:08:51 EDT DocCec [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: DocCec [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In a message dated 98-05-06 17:50:54 EDT, you write: But the press got a hold of this story and when they printed it either left off the fact that it won't be tested in humans for a while or put it at the very end of the story. That fact was reported on network TV and in the WashPost in the very first reports, Sue. I don't know about other papers, but I do know about this one. Doc Hi Doc, Another point is that cancer patients, more than anyone else, are aware of the long and frustrating process required to move a candidate drug from animal testing through the clinical trials to the marketplace. The real cruelty is the disease itself. Bill _ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
Re: LI Re: Vince Foster murdered? A cruel hoax.
Leonard Booth [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Bill Interesting how the facts get all twisted around, isn't it? It was really the bullet that they never found and they (RWW's), tried to make something out of. Talk about grasping for straws. Len At 11:24 AM 5/7/98 EDT, William J. Foristal wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (William J. Foristal) writes: On Wed, 6 May 1998 14:16:11 -0700 "Ronald Helm" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: "Ronald Helm" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: in spite of the results of four separate investigations concluding he committed suicide. Bill How do you shoot yourself and nobody ever finds the gun near the body, Bill ? HI Ron, Obviously you are not familiar with the real facts in this case. You need to read the conclusions of the four investigating groups that all determined he committed suicide. There is so much propaganda spewed forth by the American Spectator and other right wing fanatics that the facts have been distoted beyond recognition. The gun WAS found near the body, in a spot that corresponded with what one would expect considering the recoil and the physical reaction of the person shooting himself. BTW, guess who one of the investigators was whose group concluded that Foster's death was a suicide? Yep.your very own Kenneth Starr. :) Bill _ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
LI Speech Law Rejected in Conn. Case
Sue Hartigan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Speech Law Rejected in Conn. Case HARTFORD, Conn. (AP) -- Connecticut's second-highest court ruled private employees do not have the right to speak out on the job about company policies. The Appellate Court ruled Wednesday that the state's free-speech law does not protect a defense worker who said he was fired for refusing to display an American flag at his workstation. The court said private employees have the right to speak out at work on issues of public or social concern, but that a company policy on flag-waving was not such a concern. ``The issue of whether the employer should have `expected' the plaintiff to display a flag may be the subject of a grievance involving a condition of employment, but it is not a matter of public interest,'' Judge Antoinette Dupont wrote. The case involved Gonzalo Cotto, who sued Stratford-based Sikorsky Aircraft, complaining that he was fired in 1992 for refusing to put up the flag during a Gulf War celebration. He also claimed he was singled out for speaking out against the company for allegedly pressuring employees to display the flag. But Sikorsky officials said the company had no policy requiring employees to display the flag, and that Cotto was fired for creating a disturbance after employees were asked to display flags at their workstations. ``He threw the American flag on the floor, and he was sent home,'' company spokesman William Tuttle said. ``On return to work, he wore the flag hanging out of his back pocket and used it as a handkerchief.'' Cotto's attorneys argued that his firing violated a state law passed in 1983 that expanded free speech rights to private workplaces. A lower court dismissed the lawsuit, ruling that the state and federal constitutions do not extend free speech rights to activities ``on private property, against the wishes of the owner.'' The three-judge appeals panel ruled unanimously Wednesday to uphold the dismissal. Cotto's attorney said she planned to appeal. ``My position is that you can be a good machinist without being willing to wave a flag at a workstation or support the particular war going on at the time,'' Karen Lee Torre said. Sikorsky, a division of United Technologies Corp. of Hartford, makes military helicopters. -- Two rules in life: 1. Don't tell people everything you know. 2. Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
LI Gephardt Wants Rep. Burton Fired
Sue Hartigan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Gephardt Wants Rep. Burton Fired WASHINGTON (AP) -- The firing of a top Republican investigator into 1996 campaign fund-raising irregularities is not sufficient, and the chairman of the House committee conducting the probe should end his role as well, House Minority Leader Dick Gephardt said today. Gephardt, D-Mo., said Democrats would try to force the House to vote next week on a resolution ordering Rep. Dan Burton, R-Ind., chairman of the House Government Reform and Oversight Committee, to step aside as the chief of the investigation. Democrats would likely lose such a vote in the Republican-controlled House, but it would call continued attention to the controversy over the tapes and transcripts Burton has released of jailhouse conversations involving Webster Hubbell, a friend of President Clinton. In a letter to House Speaker Newt Gingrich, R-Ga., Gephardt also renewed his call for the speaker to remove himself from the deliberations, citing recent reported statements that Gephardt said show Gingrich is biased. He made a similar demand last week. ``In both Mr. Gingrich's case and in Mr. Burton's case, I believe they have disqualified themselves from being able to carry out a fair, objective, impartial investigation of the facts that they're supposed to be investigating,'' Gephardt told reporters. Gephardt cited a report in today editions of The Washington Post in which Gingrich reportedly told Republicans that when discussing the fund-raising probe, ``forget the word 'scandals' and start using the word 'crimes.''' ``Your statements, which prematurely reach conclusions in this matter, diminish your constitutional role as speaker,'' Gephardt wrote to Gingrich. In the wake of the tape furor, Burton attempted to win back the confidence of fellow Republicans by apologizing to them in a letter Wednesday. ``I want to apologize to you if this matter has caused you any embarrassment,'' Burton wrote. He admitted ``a mistake was made'' in omitting from the Hubbell transcripts material that was favorable to the former associate attorney general and to his former law partner, Hillary Rodham Clinton. Burton risks losing jurisdiction over a portion of the inquiry because Democrats have blocked an effort to give immunity from prosecution to four witnesses whose testimony the chairman has sought. The fallout over the tapes quickly claimed one victim, the House committee's chief investigator, David Bossie, who supervised the transcript release. He was fired Wednesday on orders of Speaker Newt Gingrich, but allowed to write a letter of resignation. Unrepentant, Bossie blamed the uproar on Democrats subjecting Burton ``to never-ending and unjustified attacks'' and stonewalling by the White House. ``I want to emphasize that no one on the staff ever intentionally left anything out'' of the transcripts, Bossie said. GOP sources said Burton fought to retain Bossie, but Gingrich demanded to know Tuesday night why he hadn't been fired. Burton then told the speaker that Bossie would resign. The House Republican sources, speaking on condition of anonymity, said Burton had sided with Bossie, a longtime Clinton antagonist, in a furious internal committee dispute last week over whether to release Hubbell's conversations. Bossie was in favor of the release. Committee chief counsel Richard D. Bennett was not, arguing that nothing in the recordings would aide the investigation. After releasing the selective transcripts last Thursday of Hubbell's 1996 prison conversations with his wife, Suzy, Burton the next day began making the actual recordings public. Release of the tapes made it possible to compare Burton's transcripts with the conversations -- and in several key instances, they didn't match. Omitted from the transcripts were Hubbell's comments that there was no wrongdoing by Mrs. Clinton in a Whitewater land deal and that he did not take jobs from presidential friends in order to buy his silence to protect the Clintons. Hubbell, who knew his jailhouse calls to
LI Ala. Footing Viagra Medicaid Costs
Sue Hartigan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Ala. Footing Viagra Medicaid Costs MONTGOMERY, Ala. (AP) -- Taxpayers are temporarily footing the cost for impotent men on Medicaid in Alabama to get as many as four Viagra pills each month, a benefit the agency is scrambling to stop. The benefit is more generous than some insurance companies provide, and a doctor who helps decide which drugs are subsidized by the state said Wednesday that Viagra is a ``luxury'' that Medicaid can't afford. Dr. Rick Bendinger of Abbeville also said the drug may be only temporarily available to Medicaid recipients. Officials in the agency agreed. They are already taking steps to get the benefit stopped. About 650,000 Alabamians, mostly poor women younger than 21, children and elderly people, are eligible for Medicaid-subsidized health care. Dr. John Searcy, medical director for the agency, said Wednesday that so far only a ``few'' Viagra prescriptions have been filled for Medicaid-eligible men. He said it's not known how many men on Medicaid might be eligible to receive the impotence drug. Bendinger said Medicaid had no choice but to approve Viagra when it hit the market. He said the drug's developer, Pfizer Inc., is involved in a rebate program with the national Medicaid program. The rebates benefit taxpayers, and federal law requires that as part of the rebate agreement, when Pfizer puts a new drug on the market, it is automatically covered by Medicaid. Searcy said Medicaid agencies in all states are trying to decide what to do about Viagra, which some pharmacists say has become the hottest drug on the market. He said Medicaid officials in some other states are classifying Viagra as a fertility drug and are not paying for the prescriptions. Medicaid officials from around the country discussed Viagra this week in Washington and are awaiting ``further guidance'' from the federal Health Care Financing Administration, Searcy said. Andy McCormick, a spokesman for New York-based Pfizer, said he was unsure how many Medicaid agencies are paying for Viagra prescriptions. He said some private insurance companies are ``covering it in total ... some up to 10 pills a month,'' and others are not covering it at all. Industry researcher IMS Health reported recently that 51 percent of the 113,134 people who picked up new prescriptions for Viagra in the week that ended April 17 were repaid at least in part by their insurance companies, a figure less than the 76 percent coverage insurers offer for prescription drugs overall. ``In general, we think erectile dysfunction is being recognized as a medical condition and Pfizer is emphasizing that Viagra is only for those men with a diagnosed condition. It is not to be used recreationally,'' McCormick said. Bendinger said if the new drug becomes abused, or if there is an over-the-counter alternative, it can be restricted for Medicaid. One possible abuse is by men looking to enhance their sexual performance instead of needing Viagra to produce an erection. ``I'm not going to be prescribing it to 20- and 30-year-old people for improvement reasons,'' Bendinger said. Searcy said the Alabama agency has notified Pfizer that there is a potential for abuse or misuse of the drug, a procedure that a state can use to remove drugs from coverage. He said that if the company agrees, Medicaid intends to either stop paying for Viagra or to require advance approval for each prescription to avoid misuse. If Pfizer disagrees, it then has up to eight months to show Medicaid officials why Viagra should be covered. Searcy said the limit of four pills a month would apply during such an appeal. Bendinger said the $10 cost of the pills makes it ``not a drug that we want to make a priority for Medicaid recipients when the agency is struggling to provide drugs for diseases such as hypertension, heart disease and diabetes.'' A co-chairman of the Legislature's Medicaid Oversight Committee, Rep. Ron Johnson, R-Sylacauga, said that even though some people consider Viagra to be a luxury, ``the sex drive
Re: LI LAW EXAM TOMORROW
DocCec [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In a message dated 98-05-07 07:57:59 EDT, you write: Hello my friends both new and old, I have my final Law exam tomorrow, so please keep your fingers crossed. Steve XXX Hard to type with fingers crossed, Steve! Good luck!! Doc Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
Re: LI Re: Bill's badge; A cruel hoax?
DocCec [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In a message dated 98-05-07 12:15:47 EDT, you write: Hi Doc, Where's my badge? I hope that wasn't a cruel hoax. :) Bill Comin right atcha, baby! Just stand there at attention and try not to wiggle, OK? Doc Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
Re: LI Grand Jury secrecy
DocCec [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In a message dated 98-05-07 11:28:47 EDT, you write: There's a big difference between what the law dictates and what people actually do. A ten minute drive on the interstate will illustrate that fact quite effectively. Bill There you go, Bill, messing with my perfectly good delusional system! Next you'll be telling me that people don't always pay taxes because they love the country, or something. Doc Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
LI Nobel Scientist Denies Cancer Claim
Sue Hartigan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Nobel Scientist Denies Cancer Claim NEW YORK (AP) -- Nobel laureate James D. Watson denies telling a reporter that a researcher whose experiments have rid mice of maligant tumors ``is going to cure cancer in two years.'' Watson, co-discoverer of the structure of DNA, was quoted as having made that prediction in a front-page story in Sunday's New York Times about research by Dr. Judah Folkman. The Times said it stood by its story and the quote, which were picked up by The Associated Press. Watson, in a letter to the editor published in today's Times, called the experiments ``the most exciting cancer research of my lifetime.'' But he also cautioned that ``the history of cancer research is littered with promised treatments that raised people's hopes, only for them to be dashed when the treatments were put to the test in humans.'' Watson's letter said he told Times science writer Gina Kolata at a dinner party six weeks ago that the drugs, endostatin and angiostatin, ``should be in National Cancer Institute trials by the end of this year and that we would know, about one year after that, whether they were effective.'' Times spokeswoman Lisa Carparelli said, ``We're confident of the story we ran and don't wish to be in a position of quarreling with a respected source and authority. We're glad we were able to let Dr. Watson further explain his view.'' Watson was unavailable for comment today at his laboratory in Cold Spring Harbor, N.Y., but an aide, Wendy Goldstein, said he remains cautiously optimistic about the drugs. He wrote the letter ``just looking to set the record straight,'' she said. Goldstein said Watson spoke with Kolata at the dinner party while attending a scientific meeting in California. Meanwhile, Random House confirmed today it has signed a deal for a book about Folkman's research to be written by Newsday science writer Robert Cooke, said Tom Perry, a spokesman for the publishing house. Perry declined to say how much money was involved for the book, tentatively titled ``Conquering Cancer.'' Cooke has been given access to Folkman and has his cooperation, said Random House senior editor Scott Moyers. -- Two rules in life: 1. Don't tell people everything you know. 2. Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
Re: LI Cops Say Principal, Pupil Had Sex
"Tammy Linkenhoker" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It's not even safe to send your children to school anymore. They either get seduced or shot at. The world is getting crazier all the time. I just joined and look forward to all your messages. -- From: Sue Hartigan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: LI Cops Say Principal, Pupil Had Sex Date: Thursday, May 07, 1998 1:17 PM Sue Hartigan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Cops Say Principal, Pupil Had Sex COSTA MESA, Calif. (AP) -- A former high school assistant principal is accused of fathering a child with a former student who now is expecting their second baby. Miguel Vivanco, 42, who resigned from Rancho Alamitos High School in March, was charged Wednesday with two counts of having unlawful sex with the teen-ager, Deputy District Attorney Rebecca Heinlein said. A police investigation found that the former student, now 19, first became pregnant after at least two sexual encounters with Vivanco in 1996. Vivanco, who is married and has three other children, was expected to turn himself in today. He could not be reached for comment Wednesday. A judge set bail at $75,000. If convicted, Vivanco could get up to three years and eight months in prison. Vivanco was hired by the school district in 1984 and began working at Ranchos Alamitos in 1994, district spokesman Alan Trudell said. Several students said Vivanco seemed to favor girls, sometimes waiving detentions for those who sweet-talked him and wore revealing outfits. ``He used to hug girls,'' Elizabeth Baltazar, 17, said. ``My friend told me that he hugged her (so) tight that she felt suffocated. That's just the way he was.'' -- Two rules in life: 1. Don't tell people everything you know. 2. Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
Re: LI Cops Say Principal, Pupil Had Sex
"Tammy Linkenhoker" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I know quite a few people that have gone to homeschooling but I am not sure what my opinion on this option would be. I would need more info. Thanks for the welcome -- From: Sue Hartigan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: LI Cops Say Principal, Pupil Had Sex Date: Thursday, May 07, 1998 2:21 PM Sue Hartigan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Tammy: Welcome to the list. I look forward to hearing a lot from you. :) I agree the schools are getting more and more dangerous not only for the kids, but also for the teachers. I certainly hope that something can be done, but I don't know what. Sue It's not even safe to send your children to school anymore. They either get seduced or shot at. The world is getting crazier all the time. I just joined and look forward to all your messages. -- Two rules in life: 1. Don't tell people everything you know. 2. Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
Re: LI Ala. Footing Viagra Medicaid Costs
Sue Hartigan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Doc: It simply amazes me. I don't know about other states, but in California the people on MediCal have to pay for such things as diapers, toilet paper, etc. But I guess they can get their Viagra free, if it is like Alabama. What I don't get though is once this Viagra kicks in how are they going to pay for all the babies, and the STD's. There is no money for BC. Sue One has to wonder -- if Medicaid is doing this, can Medicare be far behind? Doc -- Two rules in life: 1. Don't tell people everything you know. 2. Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
Re: LI Ala. Footing Viagra Medicaid Costs
"Ronald Helm" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Sue One has to wonder -- if Medicaid is doing this, can Medicare be far behind? Doc And potentially the highest demand for Viagra, some 30 million men are thought to have "erectile dysfunction", will be from Medicare eligible men! Ron To succeed in politics, it is often necessary to rise above your principles. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
LI Terry-National Cancer research
Sue Hartigan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Terry: I found the National Cancer Research page, and here is what they said, hope that it helps: National Cancer Institute May 4, 1998 FOR RESPONSE TO INQUIRIES NCI Press Office (301) 496-6641 Backgrounder NCI Statement on Animal Studies of Endostatin and Angiostatin The National Cancer Institute (NCI) is encouraged by results from animal studies that suggest that compounds isolated by researchers in the laboratory of Judah Folkman, M.D., of Children's Hospital and Harvard Medical School in Boston, Mass., may be potent anti-cancer agents. NCI has made it a high priority to move research forward on these compounds, endostatin and angiostatin, so that clinical trials in humans can begin. It is important to note that such human studies will not begin for many months, most likely not until 1999. Once testing has begun, the compounds, which are anti-angiogenesis agents, must be tested separately for safety and efficacy in humans before they can be tested together. Production of these compounds is one part of the process that must take place over the next several months. At this time, it is not possible to produce the large quantities of endostatin or angiostatin necessary for human trials. NCI is working with Entremed, Inc., on production issues for endostatin and with Bristol-Myers Squibb Co., on production issues for angiostatin. It is very important to emphasize that while the possibilities raised by these studies in mice are encouragaing, it is not known whether endostatin or angiostatin will be effective in people with cancer. Clinical trials of other anti-angiogenesis agents are under way both by individual drug companies and by NCI. Patients interested in information about ongoing trials listed in NCI's PDQ database can contact the NCI's Cancer Information Service at 1-800-4-CANCER or search PDQ themselves via the Internet (http://cancertrials.nci.nih.gov -- under "more" choose Introduction, then choose "finding specific trials"). -- Two rules in life: 1. Don't tell people everything you know. 2. Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
LI Daimler/Chrysler
"Ronald Helm" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Now this is big time news! I wondered why my Chrysler stock jumped 10 points yesterday, now I know. Rin Chrysler, Daimler-Benz Agree to Merge By John Hughes AP Business Writer Thursday, May 7, 1998; 9:12 a.m. EDT DETROIT (AP) -- Chrysler Corp. is being acquired by Germany's Daimler-Benz for more than $38 billion in stock in a deal that will reshape the automaking industry and give both companies a bigger stake in the global market. The new company, DaimlerChrysler, combines a German luxury car maker with the No. 3 U.S. automaker which once used a ``Buy American'' slogan and is now known for Jeeps, minivans and light trucks. The agreement was formally announced today and the deal would rank as the biggest industrial merger ever. At a joint news conference in London this morning, chairmen of both companies said the deal increases their potential for growth. ``Together we believe the potential is literally unlimited,'' Chrysler Chairman Robert J. Eaton said. Companies in Profile Chrysler Business: Researches, designs, makes and sells cars, trucks and related parts and accessories Brands: Chrysler, Dodge, Plymouth, Eagle and Jeep Based: Auburn Hills, Mich. Established: 1925 Employees: 121,000 1997 sales: $58.62 billion 1997 net income: $2.81 billion Yesterday's closing stock price: $48.81D, up $7.37A Web site address: www.chryslercorp.com Daimler-Benz Business: Makes, markets and sells luxury cars, trucks and other vehicles; also provides aerospace and defense services, as well as financial services Brands: Mercedes-Benz, Freightliner Trucks Based: Stuttgart, Germany Established: 1885 Employees: 290,000 1997 sales: $69.26 billion* 1997 net income: $4.49 billion* Yesterday's closing stock price: $99, up $7.23Q Web site address: www.daimler-benz.com *Converted to U.S. dollars using Dec. 31 exchange rate SOURCES: Bloomberg News, company reports Eaton predicted that the merger is just the beginning as the auto industry continues to become more global. ``We are leading a new trend we believe will change the future, the face of the industry,'' he said. No plant closures or layoffs will result from the merger, Daimler-Benz Chairman Juergen E. Schrempp said. ``On the contrary, we estimate with the combined strength we will grow, we will add volume and we will be creating jobs on both sides of the Atlantic,'' he said. The merger, Schrempp said, creates ``the world's leading automotive company for the 21st century ... one that will set the pace in the automotive world in the next millenium.'' Also this morning, German television ZDF quoted Schrempp as saying DaimlerChrysler will have joint management for three years, then Schrempp will take over and Eaton will step aside. The merger will give Chrysler greater access to the European market, something it has strived for. And since two of every three vehicles that Chrysler makes is a light truck, the German company may very well participate in the popular pickup and minivan segments that haven't made as much sense for a luxury brand. Some analysts doubted that dealerships will sell Mercedes-Benz models side-by-side with Chrysler minivans, however. Eaton said the companies complement each other perfectly, and will ``maintain the current brands and their distinct identities.'' Directors of both companies have approved the deal, which is expected to be completed by the end of this year if approved by shareholders, the Daimler-Benz supervisory board and government regulators. The transaction sets an exchange ratio of 0.547 Daimler-Benz shares for each Chrysler share, leaving Daimler-Benz shareholders in control of 57 percent of the new company and Chrysler shareholders with the rest. At Wednesday's closing Daimler price, that means Chrysler shareholders will get about $59.38 a share in stock for each of their shares. With 645.5 million shares outstanding, that values Chrysler at about $38.3 billion. DaimlerChrysler will be jointly led by Eaton and Schrempp. The new company will have two headquarters -- in Auburn Hills, Mich., and Stuttgart, Germany -- and will employ 422,000 people worldwide. No plant closures or layoffs were planned, the companies said. Analysts praised the plan, but said joining Chrysler with the largest industrial company in Germany was no simple matter. ``The footprints of these companies are totally different,'' said David Healy, an analyst with Burnham Securities Inc. ``Management culture is different.'' While the company that owns Mercedes-Benz is highly structured and formal in its management, Chrysler prefers a more freewheeling environment. ``A moderate amount of culture clash is healthy if managed well. One of the benefits of a merger can be learning from each other, if the two sides can do something better than either could do on its own,'' said Mitchell Lee Marks, a independent management consultant in San Francisco. Analysts said a deal makes sense. The companies could blend research and
LI CHOCOLATE!!!
DocCec [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What's really and truly cruel is to turn on your TV for the 6am news and listen to the CBS anchor tell you the world is heading for a shortage of CHOCOLATE in the near future!! Did I dream this, or did anyone else hear it? Surely this has to be result of some kind of conspiracy Doc Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
Re: LI Re: Bill's badge; A cruel hoax?
Steve Wright [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hey Bill you haven't got your eye on my seat in Doc's lap have you, we might just end up starting a flame war over that onelol. Steve : ) -Original Message- From: DocCec [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thursday, May 07, 1998 8:06 PM Subject: Re: LI Re: Bill's badge; A cruel hoax? DocCec [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In a message dated 98-05-07 12:15:47 EDT, you write: Hi Doc, Where's my badge? I hope that wasn't a cruel hoax. :) Bill Comin right atcha, baby! Just stand there at attention and try not to wiggle, OK? Doc Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
Re: LI Ala. Footing Viagra Medicaid Costs
DocCec [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In a message dated 98-05-07 15:29:28 EDT, you write: And potentially the highest demand for Viagra, some 30 million men are thought to have "erectile dysfunction", will be from Medicare eligible men! Ron You know, maybe there's a reason why things slow down with age. I don't mean there's no such thing as erectile dysfunction in the geritol set, but I suspect much of what passes for pathology is simply the result of normal aging. Most of us still talk a good game, but are not all that excited about nightly athletic achievement. Doc (trying to be euphemistic since someone once said there were little pitchers lurking about.) Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
LI Thank you everyone.
Steve Wright [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I would just like to say thank you to everyone for there words of support. I found it very uplifting one more hour of work left then Im off to bed (any ladies are more than welcomelol). Thanks again I write you all tomorrow. Steve === Lifes a beach and I'm on it, Jah Wobble. === PERSONAL EMAIL TO: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
LI New PowerPC design unveiled
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: This NEWS.COM (http://www.news.com/) story has been sent to you from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message from sender: Thought you might like this --- New PowerPC design unveiled By Jim Davis May 7, 1998, 9:55 a.m. PT http://www.news.com/News/Item/0%2C4%2C21892%2C00.html?sas.mail Motorola unveiled a new technology for boosting the performance of PowerPC chips, taking the venerable chip architecture in new directions. As reported yesterday, the Schaumburg, Illinois-based company added what [STOCKBLOCK MOT LEFT] is partly an answer to Intel's much-hyped MMX multimedia instruction set. The "AltiVec" technology will be incorporated in some commercial PowerPC chips starting in late 1998, according to the company. But the technology also goes far beyond MMX, addressing a range of markets that MMX doesn't such as networking and telephony. Interestingly, the chip is being rolled out at Networld+Interop which is primarily a networking conference. AltiVec adds fatter pipes and a "data engine" inside the chip for manipulating large quantities of data. Potential applications include speech processing and networking routers, which manage Internet traffic. "This is really a big ray of hope for the PowerPC people. The perception is that the PowerPC is fading with the Mac, and that their number is up, but that's not really case," said Jim Turley, senior analyst with MicroDesign Resources. "They are succeeding, but not in the glamorous, high profile places people hear about," he added. Apple Computer, which took part in the development of the technology, is expected by analysts to eventually use the new technology in its Macintosh computers to aid in image and video processing. Apple could detail its use of the technology as soon as its developer conference later this month. Apple could not be reached for comment. Other chips such as Sun Microsystems' Sparc and Digital's Alpha already have similar technologies, analysts note. Intel's MMX technology is perhaps the most widely known because of that company's marketing efforts. "AltiVec can gobble a lot more data at a time than any others," Turley said, comparing its potential favorably with Intel's MMX. "Particularly crippled is MMX because they grafted [multimedia extensions] onto a processor never meant for it." AltiVec is two new technologies, one hardware, the other software. On the hardware side, it adds a new "execution unit" inside the PowerPC processor that is built to efficiently process certain kinds of data. All mainstream processors already come with execution units call "integer" and "floating point" designed to efficiently process other kinds of data. The new "vector unit" operates concurrently with the existing floating point and integer units found in typical desktop PC processors. On the software side, the chip will be able to use a total of 162 new instructions for manipulating data. This is of critical importance but with one major catch: Developers must write programs that use the instructions, and changes need to be made to the operating system to accommodate the instructions, said Turley. In stark technical terms, PowerPC chips with this technology will be able to process 16 times the number of data "chunks" for each clock cycle compared to previous designs. "Think of the chip as having a doorway in and out of the chip that's 32 bits wide, but the hallways are 128 bits wide," Turley offers. "Once data is moved out of [main memory] and into the chip, they can really swing lots of data around and do special number crunching, more so than other chips." For instance, a single chip with AltiVec technology could run 30 28.8-kbps modems in a remote access server (the kind a Internet service provider uses). This compares to a high-performance digital signal processor (DSP), which can run 8 modems, says Will Swearingen, product marketing manager for Motorola. Motorola said the chip will initially be targeted at high-end networking and desktop computing applications, but will later find its way into lower-cost designs. The chip will be produced in sample quantities during the second half of 1998, with volume production slated for the first half of 1999. --- Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
LI Apple's new consumer Macintosh
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: This NEWS.COM (http://www.news.com/) story has been sent to you from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Apple's new consumer Macintosh By Jim Davis May 6, 1998, 5:05 p.m. PT http://www.news.com/News/Item/0%2C4%2C21849%2C00.html?sas.mail CUPERTINO, California--Apple Computer announced its first product in the spirit of its "Think different" campaign: a desktop system that comes in a translucent case and is stuffed to the gills with features at a low price. The iMac, harking back to the design of the original Macintosh,has a built-in monitor. Otherwise, it's radically different in design and price. At $1,299, the iMac will anchor Apple's reentry into the consumer market, acting CEO Steve Jobs said today at a media briefing here. "We believe we have an incredibly great shot of coming back in the consumer market...We're going to try to take customers away from the other [PC] guys, but we're also going after the installed base #91of Mac users]," Jobs noted. The interim chief executive estimated that there are 16 million customers that could potentially buy new Macs but have been reluctant to do so because of questions about the company's viability and the lack of a compelling product. The iMac will fill a big hole in Apple's PC lineup: [STOCKBLOCK AAPL RIGHT] This is the first new full-blown Macintosh consumer system in over a year. The box comes with a 233-MHz 750 PowerPC processor, a two-toned see-through case that's blue and white, a 4GB hard disk drive, 32MB of memory, built-in networking, an internal modem, and a CD-ROM drive. It also features 512K of high-speed "secondary cache" memory, which boosts performance. Further, the iMac is the first Mac to feature USB (Universal Serial Bus) technology, which allows "plug-and-play" attachment of peripherals. The technology is being widely used in Intel-based computers. The iMac's keyboard and mouse, for instance, are based on USB. The USB inclusion is significant because in the past users had to buy printers and other peripherals that could connect to special ports on the Macintosh. With USB, Mac users will be able to plug into the same low-cost infrastructure that makes Windows-based PCs so cost competitive, resulting in lower-priced peripherals. The initial reaction to the system seems to be positive. Jim Halpin, CEO of CompUSA, one of the largest retailers of personal computers, said: "I think this is the first product that will make #91Intel-based] PC buyers buy a Mac." "They definitely have a product that will get 'mind share.' From a price-performance perspective, it basically beats any competition in [the consumer PC] space," said Tim Bajarin, president of Creative Strategies. More coverage on CNET Radio"Not only will this stem attrition from the education market, but it will help them to start building up the consumer market," said Pieter Hartsook, an independent industry consultant. Jobs also demonstrated the system against a brand-new Compaq Computer Presario with 400-MHz Pentium II processor by playing a large video file. Predictably, the $1,299 iMac finished before the $2,599 Compaq system. "When you see one, you are going to want one," enthused Lou Mazzucchelli, an analyst with Gerard Klauer Mattison. "Just think of it as the new Volkswagen. It is unbelievably priced for what you can get. "The new PowerBooks aren't bad either," Mazzucchelli added, referring to today's unveiling of Apple's fastest notebooks yet. On Wall Street today, Apple stock climbed further into record territory as it broke the $30 per share mark. Yesterday, it broke past its 52-week high--something it hasn't done in about eight months--climbing to 29.88 and closing at a year high of 29.69. "It makes me feel like my $35 price target might look conservative sooner rather than later," Mazzuchelli noted. "It [the iMac]is going to be a screaming success." The system is slated to ship in August, which would be just in time for the critical education selling season. --- Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
LI Microsoft wants injunction clarified
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: This NEWS.COM (http://www.news.com/) story has been sent to you from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Microsoft wants injunction clarified By NULL Reuters May 7, 1998, 7:00 a.m. PT http://www.news.com/News/Item/0%2C4%2C21885%2C00.html?sas.mail WASHINGTON--Microsoft is asking a federal appeals court to clarify whether a preliminary injunction already under appeal prohibits the bundling of its Internet Web browser with Windows 98. The motion, filed in the U.S. Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia, would have no effect on possible new legal actions under consideration by the Justice Department and state attorneys general. Such new actions under the Sherman antitrust act may be filed in a matter of days. The Sherman act is aimed at preventing monopolies from unfair competition practices. Microsoft said it has a separate set of concerns because of the existing preliminary injunction, which was issued last December by U.S. District Judge Thomas Penfield Jackson. Microsoft appealed against that preliminary injunction on December 16, asking the higher court to overturn it. Written and oral arguments ended last month but the appellate court has yet to issue its decision. Microsoft said when it decided to appeal the decision it did not know when it might be releasing Windows 98 and so it made no arguments about the new product. But, the company argued, it will be giving computer makers Windows 98 on May 15 and selling it to the general public on June 25. That release could lead to new legal problems under the injunction. The December injunction bars Microsoft from bundling its Internet Web browser with any Windows product, "including Windows 95 or any successor version thereof." Microsoft noted in its argument that the judge's injunction, as written, "included Windows 98." And so the company asked the appellate court to clarify that the preliminary injunction does not in fact apply to Windows 98. "In order to comply with the preliminary injunction insofar as it relates to Windows 98, Microsoft would have to create a whole new operating system that did not provide support for Internet standards," the company said. It said that Web capability was so central to Windows 98 that removing it would result in a product that "would bear little, if any, resemblance to Windows 98." A Justice spokesman said: "Our response will be filed promptly." However, a Justice official noted that the judge's order last December was valid until further orders were given by the court. That, he said, was "essentially an invitation to come back and seek clarification in the District Court. Microsoft has avoided doing so and instead has contrived an 'emergency' where none needed to exist." In its brief, Microsoft said Justice had "refused to enter a definitive agreement immunizing Windows 98" from being included under the preliminary injunction. The DOJ official said that kind of immunity was not up to the department. He said the injunction "is a judicial order, not a contract. It is up to the judge to decide what his order means. The department has offered to join in an effort to obtain a determination by the District Court." Microsoft chairman Bill Gates's late night meeting Tuesday with senior DOJ lawyers yielded no progress toward resolving the conflict between the government and the software Goliath, the Wall Street Journal reported today. Gates met for two hours with lead antitrust prosecutor Joel Klein and asked that the government not restrict Microsoft's ability to add new features to its flagship Windows operating system software, the Journal said, citing unnamed participants in the meeting. Gates argued that such a move would stifle innovation and hurt consumers, the paper said. Gates, accompanied by Microsoft general counsel William Neukom and other outside legal advisers, did most of the talking and was forceful in his presentation, the Journal said. He argued that Windows does not have a monopoly in operating system software, citing the UNIX, O/S 2 and Apple Computer systems. The meeting took place at the Washington office of the law firm Sullivan Cromwell, the paper said. Dan Goodin contributed to this report. --- Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
LI Welcome Tammy
Steve Wright [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Welcome to the law list Tammy, make yourself at home : ) Steve What your looking at could be the end of a particularly frightening nightmare, It isn't its the beginning. - The Incredible P.W.E.I === Lifes a beach and I'm on it, Jah Wobble. === PERSONAL EMAIL TO: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
LI Nobel laureate disputes cancer-cure quote in Times
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Nobel laureate disputes cancer-cure quote in Times 02:37 p.m May 06, 1998 Eastern By Ransdell Pierson NEW YORK (Reuters) - Nobel laureate James Watson, co-discoverer of the structure of DNA, is disputing a quote attributed to him in The New York Times predicting cancer would be cured within two years by two drugs featured in a Times story. The front-page article in the Sunday Times spurred an explosion of interest in biotech company EntreMed of Rockville, Md., and its two drugs, angiostatin and endostatin, helping boost its shares 500 percent on Monday. The two drugs are naturally occurring proteins that block growth of blood vessels that feed tumors. They were discovered by Dr. Judah Folkman, a cancer researcher at Children's Hospital in Boston, and licensed to EntreMed. In the Times article, written by Gina Kolata, Watson is quoted as saying, ``Judah is going to cure cancer in two years.'' The article added that Watson said Folkman would be remembered along with scientists like Charles Darwin as someone who permanently altered civilization. Some Wall Street analysts said the bold statement by Watson, a co-discoverer of the ``double helix'' structure of DNA, was a key factor that inspired the EntreMed rally. Watson, director of the Cold Spring Harbor Laboratory in on New York state's Long Island has submitted a letter to the editor of the newspaper challenging the cancer-cure quote, according to laboratory spokesman Wendy Goldstein. Times spokeswoman Lisa Carparelli told Reuters she was unable to immediately comment on Watson's letter but would do so later in the day. EntreMed officials could not be reached for comment. Goldstein provided Reuters a copy of Watson's letter, which she said would be submitted to The New York Times on Wednesday for publication. In the three-paragraph letter dated May 4, Watson states, ''In the May 3 New York Times article, Ms. Kolata reported that I predicted that Judah Folkman would cure cancer in two years. My recollection of the conversation to which she refers, however, is quite different.'' The letter continues, ``What I told Ms. Kolata, at a dinner party six weeks ago, was that endostatin should be in NCI (National Cancer Institute) clinical trials by the end of this year, and that we would know about one year after that whether they (sic) were effective.'' In the letter, Watson noted that the two drugs have not yet been tested in humans. The drugs have only been tested in mice, a point that the medical community and drug industry analysts have underscored in recent days as a reason for caution. Many drugs that work in mice have later failed to have the same beneficial effects in humans, according to industry analysts and scientists. Goldstein said Watson was in California and could not be reached to comment. ``Dr. Watson feels very strongly about setting the record straight that he did not make such a statement. He is contesting that quote primarily because he feels a statement as bold as his coming from him has offered what could very well prove to be false hope to a great many people'' with cancer, Goldstein said. Carl Gordon, a drug analyst for OrbiMed Advisors in New York, said he believed Watson's quote and enthusiastic quotes in the same article about the two drugs by National Cancer Institute director Dr. Richard Klausner were the biggest drivers of EntreMed's rally on Monday. EntreMed's stock jumped from about $12 on Friday to trade in the low $50 range Monday, after briefly hitting $85. It lost $10.125 to $33 in heavy trading Wednesday afternoon on the Nasdaq market. Copyright 1998 Reuters Limited. All rights reserved. Republication and redistribution of Reuters content is
Re: LI CHOCOLATE!!!
Steve Wright [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Come over to England pound for pound were apparently the largest consumers of chocolate, its the best stuff also. Steve -Original Message- From: DocCec [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thursday, May 07, 1998 8:57 PM Subject: LI CHOCOLATE!!! DocCec [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What's really and truly cruel is to turn on your TV for the 6am news and listen to the CBS anchor tell you the world is heading for a shortage of CHOCOLATE in the near future!! Did I dream this, or did anyone else hear it? Surely this has to be result of some kind of conspiracy Doc Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
Re: LI CHOCOLATE!!!
DocCec [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In a message dated 98-05-07 16:07:16 EDT, you write: No you heard it. And it is a conspiracy..I just know it is. Jenny Craig or Richard Simmons is leading it, I just know it, Sue But don't they make more money if we eat more chocolate? I'm devastated! Wars I can handle, plagues, whatever. But no more chocolate? It's the end of the world as we know it. Doc Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
Re: LI Terry-National Cancer research
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Sue Hartigan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Terry: I think I already posted that one. I'm just gathering information to see if this is for real or not, because I do have a vested interest in finding out. :) I do appreciate your help. Sue Hi Sue, I guess you would have revealed your interest if you had wanted to. I hope you aren't talking about having cancer yourself. I have talked to many people with cancer about the amazing progress that has been made and the many people who are surviving apparently cancer-free today that would have simply died years ago. One of my sisters was given a 40% chance of survival of throat cancer some eight years ago. That was probably most optimistic but she never read the playbook. She was lucky to have looked elsewhere when she was told that she would lose her ability to speak. Even people with disseminated cancers have responded to some treatment. But a drug that kills cancer in mice is hardly reason for wild optimism. It is little more meaningful than the drugs that kill in testtubes. It seems to me the first thing to tell people with cancer is the truth. Best, Terry "Lawyer - one trained to circumvent the law" - The Devil's Dictionary Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
Re: LI Terry-National Cancer research
Sue Hartigan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Terry: No I do not have cancer, but so far it hasn't missed a generation in my family..all have died. All have gotten it around my age, and that is why I am so interested in this. I agree patients need to know the truth. They want the truth also. That is why I am trying to find out everything I can about this. None of my family members were given any chance of survival, that is why this is so interesting and important to me. Sue Hi Terry: I think I already posted that one. I'm just gathering information to see if this is for real or not, because I do have a vested interest in finding out. :) I do appreciate your help. Sue Hi Sue, I guess you would have revealed your interest if you had wanted to. I hope you aren't talking about having cancer yourself. I have talked to many people with cancer about the amazing progress that has been made and the many people who are surviving apparently cancer-free today that would have simply died years ago. One of my sisters was given a 40% chance of survival of throat cancer some eight years ago. That was probably most optimistic but she never read the playbook. She was lucky to have looked elsewhere when she was told that she would lose her ability to speak. Even people with disseminated cancers have responded to some treatment. But a drug that kills cancer in mice is hardly reason for wild optimism. It is little more meaningful than the drugs that kill in testtubes. It seems to me the first thing to tell people with cancer is the truth. Best, Terry -- Two rules in life: 1. Don't tell people everything you know. 2. Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
Re: LI Cops Say Principal, Pupil Had Sex
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: "Tammy Linkenhoker" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It's not even safe to send your children to school anymore. They either get seduced or shot at. The world is getting crazier all the time. I just joined and look forward to all your messages. Hi Tammy, Welcome to the list. Remember there are hundreds of millions of people in this country. Single bizarre incidents are broadcast nationwide. At least a principal seducing students makes news and is condemned. That guns in schools is no longer news is a bit chilling. We look forward to what you have to say. Most everybody here has been heard from over and over yawn. :-} Best, Terry "Lawyer - one trained to circumvent the law" - The Devil's Dictionary Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
Re: LI Passive Smoker To Make Legal History
Sue Hartigan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Bill: I think that there was, and I do remember the one about the nurse who lost, because that one just happened recently. Sue Hi Sue, Wasn't there a similar class action suit brought by former flight attendants who worked during the days when smoking was allowed on airplanes? Bill -- Two rules in life: 1. Don't tell people everything you know. 2. Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
Re: LI Daimler/Chrysler
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (William J. Foristal) writes: You dog, you've got all the hot stocks these days!!! And here I was just happy to be holding Bristol Myers Squibb. I think you should buy a round of drinks! Bill On Thu, 7 May 1998 12:46:29 -0700 "Ronald Helm" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: "Ronald Helm" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Now this is big time news! I wondered why my Chrysler stock jumped 10 points yesterday, now I know. Rin Chrysler, Daimler-Benz Agree to Merge _ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
LI Re: Bill's badge; A cruel hoax?
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (William J. Foristal) writes: HI Steve, Not to worry, old chap, I have a feeling that upon being pinned I won't be inclined to stay in one place for very long. Oooh, I get the chills just thinking about it. Her lap will still be available to you. :) Bill On Thu, 7 May 1998 20:49:59 +0100 Steve Wright [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Steve Wright [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hey Bill you haven't got your eye on my seat in Doc's lap have you, we might just end up starting a flame war over that onelol. Steve : ) _ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
LI Re: Laws - what good are they?
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (William J. Foristal) writes: On Thu, 7 May 1998 15:03:53 EDT DocCec [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: DocCec [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In a message dated 98-05-07 11:28:47 EDT, you write: There's a big difference between what the law dictates and what people actually do. A ten minute drive on the interstate will illustrate that fact quite effectively. Bill There you go, Bill, messing with my perfectly good delusional system! Next you'll be telling me that people don't always pay taxes because they love the country, or something. Doc HI Doc, Gasp! I usually just call the IRS and ask them how much they need. :) Bill _ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
Re: LI Nobel Scientist Denies Cancer Claim
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (William J. Foristal) writes: Hi Sue, Thanks for posting this. I found the following excerpt interesting: Watson, in a letter to the editor published in today's Times, called the experiments ``the most exciting cancer research of my lifetime.'' But he also cautioned that ``the history of cancer research is littered with promised treatments that raised people's hopes, only for them to be dashed when the treatments were put to the test in humans.'' This tells me that if a Nobel Scientist calls these experiments the most exciting cancer research of his lifetime, then there IS something to these candidate compounds that makes them more promising that the many other drugs that have made their way into clinical studies. And it DOES qualify as a significant breakthrough, with respect to the results of the animal testing. Bill _ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
Re: LI Daimler/Chrysler
"Yvonne " [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Well, when the Euro kicks in and Germany's huge unemployment problem starts to cause minor European quakes, your Chrysler stock will be flushable. Caveat Teutonicus. -Original Message- From: Ronald Helm [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Law-Issues [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thursday, May 07, 1998 12:49 PM Subject: LI Daimler/Chrysler "Ronald Helm" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Now this is big time news! I wondered why my Chrysler stock jumped 10 points yesterday, now I know. Rin Chrysler, Daimler-Benz Agree to Merge By John Hughes AP Business Writer Thursday, May 7, 1998; 9:12 a.m. EDT DETROIT (AP) -- Chrysler Corp. is being acquired by Germany's Daimler-Benz for more than $38 billion in stock in a deal that will reshape the automaking industry and give both companies a bigger stake in the global market. The new company, DaimlerChrysler, combines a German luxury car maker with the No. 3 U.S. automaker which once used a ``Buy American'' slogan and is now known for Jeeps, minivans and light trucks. The agreement was formally announced today and the deal would rank as the biggest industrial merger ever. At a joint news conference in London this morning, chairmen of both companies said the deal increases their potential for growth. ``Together we believe the potential is literally unlimited,'' Chrysler Chairman Robert J. Eaton said. Companies in Profile Chrysler Business: Researches, designs, makes and sells cars, trucks and related parts and accessories Brands: Chrysler, Dodge, Plymouth, Eagle and Jeep Based: Auburn Hills, Mich. Established: 1925 Employees: 121,000 1997 sales: $58.62 billion 1997 net income: $2.81 billion Yesterday's closing stock price: $48.81D, up $7.37A Web site address: www.chryslercorp.com Daimler-Benz Business: Makes, markets and sells luxury cars, trucks and other vehicles; also provides aerospace and defense services, as well as financial services Brands: Mercedes-Benz, Freightliner Trucks Based: Stuttgart, Germany Established: 1885 Employees: 290,000 1997 sales: $69.26 billion* 1997 net income: $4.49 billion* Yesterday's closing stock price: $99, up $7.23Q Web site address: www.daimler-benz.com *Converted to U.S. dollars using Dec. 31 exchange rate SOURCES: Bloomberg News, company reports Eaton predicted that the merger is just the beginning as the auto industry continues to become more global. ``We are leading a new trend we believe will change the future, the face of the industry,'' he said. No plant closures or layoffs will result from the merger, Daimler-Benz Chairman Juergen E. Schrempp said. ``On the contrary, we estimate with the combined strength we will grow, we will add volume and we will be creating jobs on both sides of the Atlantic,'' he said. The merger, Schrempp said, creates ``the world's leading automotive company for the 21st century ... one that will set the pace in the automotive world in the next millenium.'' Also this morning, German television ZDF quoted Schrempp as saying DaimlerChrysler will have joint management for three years, then Schrempp will take over and Eaton will step aside. The merger will give Chrysler greater access to the European market, something it has strived for. And since two of every three vehicles that Chrysler makes is a light truck, the German company may very well participate in the popular pickup and minivan segments that haven't made as much sense for a luxury brand. Some analysts doubted that dealerships will sell Mercedes-Benz models side-by-side with Chrysler minivans, however. Eaton said the companies complement each other perfectly, and will ``maintain the current brands and their distinct identities.'' Directors of both companies have approved the deal, which is expected to be completed by the end of this year if approved by shareholders, the Daimler-Benz supervisory board and government regulators. The transaction sets an exchange ratio of 0.547 Daimler-Benz shares for each Chrysler share, leaving Daimler-Benz shareholders in control of 57 percent of the new company and Chrysler shareholders with the rest. At Wednesday's closing Daimler price, that means Chrysler shareholders will get about $59.38 a share in stock for each of their shares. With 645.5 million shares outstanding, that values Chrysler at about $38.3 billion. DaimlerChrysler will be jointly led by Eaton and Schrempp. The new company will have two headquarters -- in Auburn Hills, Mich., and Stuttgart, Germany -- and will employ 422,000 people worldwide. No plant closures or layoffs were planned, the companies said. Analysts praised the plan, but said joining Chrysler with the largest industrial company in Germany was no simple matter. ``The footprints of these companies are totally different,'' said David Healy, an analyst with Burnham Securities Inc. ``Management culture is different.'' While the company that owns Mercedes-Benz is highly structured and formal in its management, Chrysler prefers a more freewheeling
Re: LI Daimler/Chrysler
"Yvonne " [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: And Random House (Bertelsman, AG). -Original Message- From: Steve Wright [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thursday, May 07, 1998 1:02 PM Subject: Re: LI Daimler/Chrysler Steve Wright [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Yea I heard that one this morning, mergers dont get much bigger than that. Did you hear that Rolls Royce is now owned by BMW? Steve p.s I know back to work, im going, im going. -Original Message- From: Ronald Helm [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Law-Issues [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thursday, May 07, 1998 8:50 PM Subject: LI Daimler/Chrysler "Ronald Helm" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Now this is big time news! I wondered why my Chrysler stock jumped 10 points yesterday, now I know. Rin Chrysler, Daimler-Benz Agree to Merge By John Hughes AP Business Writer Thursday, May 7, 1998; 9:12 a.m. EDT DETROIT (AP) -- Chrysler Corp. is being acquired by Germany's Daimler-Benz for more than $38 billion in stock in a deal that will reshape the automaking industry and give both companies a bigger stake in the global market. The new company, DaimlerChrysler, combines a German luxury car maker with the No. 3 U.S. automaker which once used a ``Buy American'' slogan and is now known for Jeeps, minivans and light trucks. The agreement was formally announced today and the deal would rank as the biggest industrial merger ever. At a joint news conference in London this morning, chairmen of both companies said the deal increases their potential for growth. ``Together we believe the potential is literally unlimited,'' Chrysler Chairman Robert J. Eaton said. Companies in Profile Chrysler Business: Researches, designs, makes and sells cars, trucks and related parts and accessories Brands: Chrysler, Dodge, Plymouth, Eagle and Jeep Based: Auburn Hills, Mich. Established: 1925 Employees: 121,000 1997 sales: $58.62 billion 1997 net income: $2.81 billion Yesterday's closing stock price: $48.81D, up $7.37A Web site address: www.chryslercorp.com Daimler-Benz Business: Makes, markets and sells luxury cars, trucks and other vehicles; also provides aerospace and defense services, as well as financial services Brands: Mercedes-Benz, Freightliner Trucks Based: Stuttgart, Germany Established: 1885 Employees: 290,000 1997 sales: $69.26 billion* 1997 net income: $4.49 billion* Yesterday's closing stock price: $99, up $7.23Q Web site address: www.daimler-benz.com *Converted to U.S. dollars using Dec. 31 exchange rate SOURCES: Bloomberg News, company reports Eaton predicted that the merger is just the beginning as the auto industry continues to become more global. ``We are leading a new trend we believe will change the future, the face of the industry,'' he said. No plant closures or layoffs will result from the merger, Daimler-Benz Chairman Juergen E. Schrempp said. ``On the contrary, we estimate with the combined strength we will grow, we will add volume and we will be creating jobs on both sides of the Atlantic,'' he said. The merger, Schrempp said, creates ``the world's leading automotive company for the 21st century ... one that will set the pace in the automotive world in the next millenium.'' Also this morning, German television ZDF quoted Schrempp as saying DaimlerChrysler will have joint management for three years, then Schrempp will take over and Eaton will step aside. The merger will give Chrysler greater access to the European market, something it has strived for. And since two of every three vehicles that Chrysler makes is a light truck, the German company may very well participate in the popular pickup and minivan segments that haven't made as much sense for a luxury brand. Some analysts doubted that dealerships will sell Mercedes-Benz models side-by-side with Chrysler minivans, however. Eaton said the companies complement each other perfectly, and will ``maintain the current brands and their distinct identities.'' Directors of both companies have approved the deal, which is expected to be completed by the end of this year if approved by shareholders, the Daimler-Benz supervisory board and government regulators. The transaction sets an exchange ratio of 0.547 Daimler-Benz shares for each Chrysler share, leaving Daimler-Benz shareholders in control of 57 percent of the new company and Chrysler shareholders with the rest. At Wednesday's closing Daimler price, that means Chrysler shareholders will get about $59.38 a share in stock for each of their shares. With 645.5 million shares outstanding, that values Chrysler at about $38.3 billion. DaimlerChrysler will be jointly led by Eaton and Schrempp. The new company will have two headquarters -- in Auburn Hills, Mich., and Stuttgart, Germany -- and will employ 422,000 people worldwide. No plant closures or layoffs were planned, the companies said. Analysts praised the plan, but said joining Chrysler with the largest industrial company in Germany was no simple matter. ``The footprints of these
Re: LI Dems Walk Out of Gingrich Speech
"Yvonne " [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hear Geraldo last night? Even he kicked the "Democrats" and his beloved Clinton administration for the filthy tricks of getting Victoria Toensing and Joe DiGenova permanently barred from opinion television/political commentary. -Original Message- From: Sue Hartigan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thursday, May 07, 1998 11:11 AM Subject: LI Dems Walk Out of Gingrich Speech Sue Hartigan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Dems Walk Out of Gingrich Speech CONCORD, N.H. (AP) -- Two dozen Democrats walked out of the New Hampshire Legislature today during a speech by Newt Gingrich in which he criticized President Clinton as being passive in the face of wrongdoing in his administration. ``If a crime has been committed, the American people have a right to know,'' the House speaker told the GOP-dominated Legislature. He added that the president should take an active role in uncovering any wrongdoing in his administration. ``It's not enough to be passive,'' he said. Gingrich then criticized Whitewater figure Webster Hubbell, saying ``He had to resign and go to jail. Between resigning and going to jail, he got $720,000 from 18 different sources, including $100,000 from Indonesians.'' As the first of 20 to 30 Democrats in the 400-member House headed up the aisles, Gingrich reacted. ``People can walk out, but what I'm saying is a fact about a crime,'' he said. Republicans then interrupted him with loud and sustained applause. ``Let me just say how sad I am about the people who just walked out,'' Gingrich added. Rep. Ray Buckley of Manchester was among those who left. ``There is a time and a place for that sort of garbage. That is the way he runs Congress, not the way he speaks in the well of the New Hampshire Legislature,'' Buckley said. ``I believe he disgraced his position as speaker of the House and offended many.'' Buckley said Democrats had discussed in advance the idea of a walkout if Gingrich gave a harshly partisan speech. State Republican Chairman Steve Duprey called the walkout ``incredibly rude,'' and said, ``It puts Democrats in the ridiculous position of defending Webb Hubbell.'' Gingrich was making his third recent visit to the state with the nation's earliest presidential primary. Potential presidential candidates occasionally get a chance to speak to the Legislature about pending federal legislation and similar issues. The Democratic leader of the New Hampshire House stayed put, somewhat unhappily. Rep. Peter Burling said Gingrich had ``unceremoniously attacked, in the most partisan way, the head of my party and the heart of my party.'' -- Two rules in life: 1. Don't tell people everything you know. 2. Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
LI The Hubbell Tapes and Political Squabbling
Sue Hartigan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The Hubbell Tapes and Political Squabbling Evidence of a Cover-Up May Be Lost Amid Spats Tuesday, May 5, 1998 (This is an unedited, uncorrected transcript.) ANNOUNCER May 5, 1998. TED KOPPEL, ABC NEWS (VO) The Hubbell tapes seemed to hint at a coverup. WEBSTER HUBBELL So I need to roll over one more time. SUZANNA HUBBELL No. TED KOPPEL (VO) But Congressman Burton only released excerpts and that gave the White House the ammunition it needed. REP HENRY WAXMAN, (D), CALIFORNIA, GOVERNMENT REFORM AND OVERSIGHT COMMITTEE Its editing for political purposes and thats what is so offensive. TED KOPPEL (VO) What wasnt heard was Hubbells support for the First Lady. WEBSTER HUBBELL She just had no idea what was going on. She didnt participate in any of this. EJ DIONNE, THE WASHINGTON POST A lot of people have said that President Clinton is blessed with great enemies and that in Mr Burtons case, he makes it very easy for the White House to say this is not a fair guy. TED KOPPEL (VO) Tonight, the bumbling of the Hubbell tapes, how evidence of a coverup may be lost amid political squabbling. ANNOUNCER From ABC News, this is Nightline. Reporting from Washington, Ted Koppel. TED KOPPEL We return tonight to the Hubbell tapes150 hours of telephone conversations recorded at a federal prison in Cumberland, Maryland. Webster Hubbell, who had been serving as associate attorney general under Janet Reno, was serving out his term for defrauding clients while he was a partner at the Rose Law Firm in Little Rock, Arkansas. He could probably have avoided prison by cooperating more fully with independent counsel Kenneth Starr in his investigation of the Whitewater affair. Publicly, Hubbell has insisted all along that he knows nothing that might incriminate his old friend and law partner, Hillary Clinton, or his friend and golfing partner, the President. But in those prison telephone conversations subpoenaed by Republican Congressman Dan Burtons committee, there appeared to be hints, suggestions and intimations that Hubbell was covering up for his friends. Then, over this past weekend, those tapes themselves came into question. Had they been selectively leaked, doctored, edited? Was there, in fact, material deliberately held back that might have actually been helpful to the Clintons in their ongoing legal battle with Kenneth Starr? Heres the latest from Nightline correspondent Chris Bury. WEBSTER HUBBELL Im not telling anybody what I did or who, what they paid me. CHRIS BURY, ABC NEWS (VO) Last July, the Justice Department turned over tapes of Hubbells calls from prison. Last week, Congressman Dan Burton, whose committee had subpoenaed those tapes, released partial excerpts of 54 conversations. The headlineHubbells, apparent reluctance to say anything that might expose the Clintons to prosecution. WEBSTER HUBBELL I wont raise those allegations that might open it up to Hillary. CHRIS BURY (VO) On Nightline, where the tapes were first broadcast, Congressman Burton insisted they had been edited only to protect Webb Hubbells private life. (clip from Nightline, 4/30/98) REP DAN BURTON, (R), GOVERNMENT REFORM AND OVERSIGHT COMMITTEE Yes. We went through the tapes to make sure that we edited out as much personal information as possible, personal conversations between Webb and his wife and his family and so forth. TED KOPPEL But has anything that we had, for example, and that we had on this program tonight, was that taken out of context? Might it have been interpreted in a different way if wed heard the entire conversation? REP DAN BURTON No, and if Mr Hubbells attorney or anybody complains about the content that you put on the air, well be happy to divulge the whole tapes and let him and you look at them and listen to them. CHRIS BURY (on camera) Sure enough, the complaints came fast and furious. The White House, Democrats in Congress and Hubbells lawyer accused Congressman Burton of playing dirty pool. They made three fundamental chargesthat Burton had doctored the tapes, selectively released material most damaging to the White House and violated Hubbells privacy. RAHM EMANUEL, SENIOR ADVISOR TO THE
LI Politicians have taken to trolling
Sue Hartigan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: WASHINGTON, May 5 Political campaigns have traditionally provided a stage for the theater of the absurd. Candidates are routinely made to perform the equivalent of stupid human tricks in the vain attempt to connect with voters. Now the absurd becomes insane as politicians begin spamming potential voters with unwanted political junk e-mail. WIRED CALIFORNIANS received a blast of unwanted political e-mail recently in the form of what is called an electronic slate, which is a plea for support from a group of like-minded candidates. The idea behind the e-slate comes from a group called Informed Voter Network, which bills itself as a full-service, campaign-oriented, non-partisan voter contact service, run by Robert Barnes Associates in California. The Informed Voter Web site boasts: We can provide your campaign with a full Cyber strategy that will reach millions of voters across the state of California and hundreds of thousands within your own county. What the IVN doesnt tell potential clients is that this e-slate strategy also has a good chance to alienate millions of potential voters and backfire at the ballot box. CYBERPOLITICS ON THE ROPES While it is doubtful that any candidates will win a campaign because of the Internet this year, says Ken Deutsch, vice president of Internet Strategic Communications for Issue Dynamics, Inc., it is clear that some will lose because of it. While it is doubtful that any candidates will win a campaign because of the Internet this year, it is clear that some will lose because of it. KEN DEUTSCH Issues Dynamics, Inc. Deutsch knows his stuff. He was the first full-time paid Internet political consultant; unpaid, he developed the first major political party committee and candidate Internet sites in 1994 for the Democratic Senate Campaign Committee. Hes not pleased with where his efforts have led. Campaigns are about creating a message and image that stays with voters on Election Day, Deutsch says, and spam will leave a bad taste in voters mouths. Infamous online junk mail kings can afford to alienate millions; a 1 percent return rate for their efforts can produce enough cash flow that allows them to float around in the Bahamas on a yacht, says Jonah Seiger, co-founder of Mindshare Internet Campaigns. However, if a politician or organization trying to gain support for an issue tries that and ends up alienating 99 percent of the potential voters, you havent done anything to serve your ultimate objectives, Seiger says. SPAM OR FREE SPEECH? The Informed Voter Network didnt respond to a request for comment, but founder Robert Barnes told the San Francisco Chronicle last month that the political mailings werent spam because he wasnt selling anything. Were not trying to get you to buy anything, Barnes told the Chronicle. This is political free speech, he said. Free speech, yes, but Barnes had to gin up some real pretzel logic to make the statement that hes not selling anything. But selling is what a political campaign is all about. The free-speech issue is a non-starter, says Seiger. As a politician, Im trying to get people to like me and if I do something I know they dont like, regardless of whether its legal or whether its protected by the First Amendment, if I push them away, my objectives are lost, says Seiger. I am in fact selling something: my ideas. Im selling my brand, my candidates brand, he says. VOTERS MIGRATING ONLINE As a politician, Im trying to get people to like me and if I do something I know they dont like, regardless of whether its legal or whether its protected by the First Amendment, if I push them away, my objectives are lost. JONAH SEIGER Mindshare Internet Campaigns Politicians who dont wake up and begin to use the online medium wisely are doomed. Recent studies show that a large majority of registered voters also are wired and are seeking political information from the web. A survey by Field Poll of California voters found that 42 percent of some 14.3 million registered voters use e-mail on a regular basis. And as other studies have shown, the demographics of the Net are nearly a mirror image of Americans not online, according to David Birdsell, who co-authored the study for Lou Harris. That holds tremendous potential to affect the political process. Its very likely by the 98 elections, certainly by the 2000 elections, a majority of voters will be online, Birdsell says. The
Re: LI Daimler/Chrysler
"Ronald Helm" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: You dog, you've got all the hot stocks these days!!! And here I was just happy to be holding Bristol Myers Squibb. I think you should buy a round of drinks! Bill Drinks are on me! Cheers to Pfizer, BMY, and Chrysler! Ron To succeed in politics, it is often necessary to rise above your principles. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
LI Starr Launches Counter-Offensive
Sue Hartigan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Starr Launches Counter-Offensive WASHINGTON (AP) -- Launching an unusually blunt public counteroffensive, Whitewater prosecutors accused President Clinton's private attorneys Thursday of filing reckless accusations in court and threatened to request punishment by the chief U.S. district judge. Jackie M. Bennett Jr., second-in-command to Independent Counsel Kenneth Starr, reacted harshly in response to accusations from the Clinton lawyers that prosecutors leaked a ruling rejecting executive privilege invoked by the president. The Clinton lawyers had filed a court motion asking prosecutors to show why they should not be held in contempt for revealing a secret ruling. ``Although we owe you no courtesy after yesterday's abusive filing, we demand that you withdraw your motion by noon on Friday, May 8, 1998,'' Bennett wrote four private lawyers representing Clinton on executive privilege matters, and two presidential aides. ``Otherwise we will seek appropriate relief from the court, including sanctions against each of the persons under whose names the motion was submitted.'' The White House has gone to court before, accusing Starr's office of leaking sealed grand jury material to the news media. That matter also was kept secret by Chief U.S. District Judge Norma Holloway Johnson. In ratcheting up the feud, Bennett separately wrote private Clinton lawyer David Kendall that the court motion was filed even though ``you now have perfect knowledge of the source of the reports.'' In a separate letter to the four attorneys, who joined the Kendall motion, Bennett wrote that ``the allegations are reckless, irresponsible and false'' -- adding that Kendall knew ``these reports (on the executive privilege ruling) emanated from the White House.'' House Democrats and the White House, meanwhile, tried to prolong Republican embarrassment over the handling of a campaign fund-raising investigation. They pounced on Speaker Newt Gingrich for telling Republicans to ``focus on crimes'' at the White House. The Democrats tried to make Gingrich the villain, contending he prejudged the probe's findings, a day after directing the brunt of their criticism toward Rep. Dan Burton, head of a House committee investigation. Next week, the Democrats plan to offer a resolution calling for Burton, R-Ind., to step down as head of the probe by the House Government Reform and Oversight Committee. House Democratic Leader Dick Gephardt, in a letter to Gingrich, asked the speaker to have no role in the investigation. In response, Gingrich spokeswoman Christina Martin said, ``Mr. Gephardt hopes the media will focus on the wallpaper and ignore the hippo standing in the middle of the room. This letter is just another hollow prop to distract attention from the Democrats' inexcusable stonewalling and obstruction.'' Two dozen Democrats in New Hampshire Legislature walked out of a speech by Gingrich Thursday, when he criticized Clinton for doing too little in the face of wrongdoing in his administration. ``If a crime has been committed, the American people have a right to know,'' he told the GOP-dominated Legislature. Gingrich added that Clinton should take an active role in uncovering any wrongdoing in his administration. ``It's not enough to be passive,'' he said. As the first of 20 to 30 Democrats in the 400-member House headed up the aisles, Gingrich said, ``People can walk out, but what I'm saying is a fact about a crime.'' Republicans responded with a long and sustained applause. Presidential press secretary Mike McCurry responded, ``If he's got evidence of crimes, I think that would probably be news to Mr. Starr, and he probably should go see Mr. Starr. He has not done so, so that would indicate to me that this is hollow rhetoric rather than factual information.'' While the political fallout continued on Capitol Hill over the Burton committee's selective release of Webster Hubbell's recorded prison conversations, Clinton's secretary, Betty Currie, testified for a second consecutive day to a
Re: LI CHOCOLATE!!!
DocCec [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In a message dated 98-05-07 17:34:01 EDT, you write: Unfortunately it is not a cruel hoax. The cocao bean is becoming an endangered species. I don't think you have to worry about not being able to get chocolate, but you may be shocked at the price you'll have to pay. Bill I'll pay! I'll pay! Some things are sacred. But what's happening to the cacao crop, and why? The early news didn't say, and I had to get to work before the regular daily newscast came on. Doc Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
LI Democrats Show Unity on Lewinsky
Sue Hartigan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Democrats Show Unity on Lewinsky WASHINGTON (AP) -- Rallying around their embattled leader, Democratic activists from across the country said Thursday that President Clinton's executive privilege claim is necessary protection against ``maniacal'' opponents -- and a smart delaying tactic politically. With the party's Washington elite stressing party unity at the White House, rank-and-file members of the Democratic National Committee arrived in town to open three days of meetings. They said Clinton's assertion of executive privilege is not stirring interest outside the Beltway, news sure to ease the jitters of some presidential political advisers. ``I honestly can't say I recall any one person mention the executive privilege issue to me,'' said Ed Marcus, chairman of the Connecticut Democratic Party. ``Nobody cares,'' said Gary LaPaille of Illinois, president of the party chairmen's association. Though no decision has been announced, sources close to the matter say a federal judge has rejected Clinton's attempt to invoke executive privilege to shield White House aides from grand jury testimony. An appeal is expected. A few Democratic activists suggested a possible Clinton motive in claiming executive privilege: It delays Whitewater prosecutor Kenneth Starr's investigation into his relationship with Monica Lewinsky. ``It's probably good strategy if you can get beyond the election,'' said Rosalind Wyman of Los Angeles. Besides, she said, ``I just think they are so tired of Ken Starr and his friends pushing them around that they want to make his life as miserable as theirs.'' ``He's got to use whatever tool he can. He's up against some maniacal people,'' said Yolanda Caraway, a national committee member from Washington. While committee members gathered at a downtown hotel, Clinton met with House and Senate Democratic leaders at the White House to iron out a campaign fund-raising strategy. Officials who attended the meeting said the president agreed to be host for six events outside Washington and three to six events inside Washington between August and November, raising about $18 million. The money would be split evenly between the DNC and the party's House and Senate campaign committees. Some Democrats, especially Sen. Bob Kerrey of Nebraska, wanted less money for the DNC, but they fell in line Thursday. ``I want to do what I need to do to raise $18 (million) to $20 million,'' the president told the leaders, according to two Democrats at the meeting. Afterward, the leaders told reporters outside the White House that Republican bungling is helping Clinton survive the Monica Lewinsky investigation. ``Newt Gingrich has become hysterical on the issue,'' said Sen. Robert Torricelli, D-N.J. According to a Democratic poll due to be unveiled at a DNC news conference Friday, 75 percent of people surveyed May 5 said they viewed the House speaker's recent criticism of Clinton unfavorably. Nearly 400 people were contacted in the survey conducted by Mark Penn. Republicans questioned the Democrats' show of support. ``If there is any unity, it is born of desperation because they don't know when the next shoe will drop on any of a dozen presidential scandals,'' said GOP spokesman Mike Collins. Despite confident talk from the White House, some of Clinton's political advisers are concerned that voters will come to link his executive privilege fight to Richard Nixon's effort to keep White House recordings secret in 1974. In fact, several advisers don't want to delay Starr's investigation; they want it to end while Clinton is still high in the polls. One adviser outside the White House is even discussing pulling together a few like-minded supporters and making a personal pitch to get Clinton to stop trying to shield his staff from grand jury testimony. There is a split -- described as respectful and not contentious -- between the president's legal and political teams over whether Clinton should allow top aides such as Bruce Lindsey and Sidney Blumenthal to
Re: LI Dems Walk Out of Gingrich Speech
"Yvonne " [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Yes. He anounced last night that today's show would be his last on commercial TV. His cable/satellite show is altogether different. Quasi serious and pinpointing today's "stories" for an in depth discussion. Strong Clinton apologist on the brink of switching sides (imo). -Original Message- From: Sue Hartigan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thursday, May 07, 1998 5:40 PM Subject: Re: LI Dems Walk Out of Gingrich Speech Sue Hartigan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Yvonne: I saw Geraldo this morning on the Today show, did you know he was giving up his daytime talk show and becoming a "legitimate reporter"? Sue Hear Geraldo last night? Even he kicked the "Democrats" and his beloved Clinton administration for the filthy tricks of getting Victoria Toensing and Joe DiGenova permanently barred from opinion television/political commentary. -- Two rules in life: 1. Don't tell people everything you know. 2. Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
Re: LI Dems Walk Out of Gingrich Speech
Sue Hartigan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Yvonne: He has been very vocal on his daytime show about this whole thing. Sue Yes. He anounced last night that today's show would be his last on commercial TV. His cable/satellite show is altogether different. Quasi serious and pinpointing today's "stories" for an in depth discussion. Strong Clinton apologist on the brink of switching sides (imo). -- Two rules in life: 1. Don't tell people everything you know. 2. Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
Re: LI Dems Walk Out of Gingrich Speech
"Ronald Helm" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Strong Clinton apologist on the brink of switching sides (imo). As the economy begins to slow down, interest rates begin their climb, unemployment rears its ugly head again, and the stock market makes its inevitable correction, many Clinton apologists will switch sides and watch his popularity polls plummet. Ron To succeed in politics, it is often necessary to rise above your principles. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
Re: LI Cancer Drugs Face Long Road From Mice to Men/Sue
Sue Hartigan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Dr. L; No I didn't see it, but thank you for tell me, because they always repeat them on the weekend. I will definately be watching. Sue Sue - shamefacedly I admit I missed the Insight Edition report on the polygraph test failure. And yet I dare to ask: did you catch the MSNBC news broadcasts re/"Hype or Hope" concerning the cancer treatment announcements? Best wishes, :) LDMF. -- Two rules in life: 1. Don't tell people everything you know. 2. Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
Re: LI Judge rejects $10 million lawsuit over student's F
Sue Hartigan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Dr. L.: The only reasons that I can come up with would be that the kid thought that he could handle it, and insisted, and they gave in. Or that they thought that perhaps he would be able to handle it if he really tried hard. Sue Query: sany speculation as to why they'd do this? Sue wrote:-- West may be able to show that school officials put her son in the class knowing it was beyond his ability. -- Two rules in life: 1. Don't tell people everything you know. 2. Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
