Re: Gigabit interface on Linux?

2008-09-30 Thread Rob van der Heij
On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 6:45 PM, Bruce Hayden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 That's because, as Mark said, you're attached to a virtual device, and
 the speed doesn't have much meaning.  Any data flowing Linux to
 Linux within the same vswitch could flow much faster than a gigabit,
 but data flowing out the physical port is limited by the connection on
 that port.  The virtual NIC is only indirectly related to the physical
 port.

Or it could be slower because of the CPU cycles needed to drive the
virtual NIC and process the packets inside the Linux system. Doing the
right measurements and determine the bottleneck is not always trivial.
I have worked with one customer who was initially limited by the
bandwidth of a single OSA. When they switched to two aggregated OSA's
in a VSWITCH the extra throughput was about 20% because they now were
limited by CPU. But with the numbers at hand you can at least make the
trade-off and see whether the extra 20% is worth the cycles.

Rob
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Re: Gigabit interface on Linux?

2008-09-29 Thread Mark Post
 On 9/29/2008 at 12:02 PM, in message
[EMAIL PROTECTED], Scott Rohling
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 
 On RHEL5.2 -- we're using mii-tools and seeing that the ethernet interface
 is set to 100mbs --  the OSA is set to gigabit - and we're wondering if
 something special needs to be done to set it to gigabit speeds..   Using
 'ethtool=' doesn't seem to work on Linux (s390x linux)..

I'm amazed that mii-tools returns anything at all.

 This is on a VSWITCH --  everything works fine except the reported speed...
 Any ideas?

Since the interface that mii-tools is reporting on is a virtual one, having 
nothing to do with any real hardware, I would say ignore it.


Mark Post

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Re: Gigabit interface on Linux?

2008-09-29 Thread Scott Rohling
Any ideas on how we can verify what the speed really is?   Since they are
seeing this number - there is now doubt in the air :-)

Scott Rohling

p.s.  ethtool eth0   return 'No data available'

On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 10:14 AM, Mark Post [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  On 9/29/2008 at 12:02 PM, in message
 [EMAIL PROTECTED], Scott
 Rohling
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  On RHEL5.2 -- we're using mii-tools and seeing that the ethernet
 interface
  is set to 100mbs --  the OSA is set to gigabit - and we're wondering if
  something special needs to be done to set it to gigabit speeds..   Using
  'ethtool=' doesn't seem to work on Linux (s390x linux)..

 I'm amazed that mii-tools returns anything at all.

  This is on a VSWITCH --  everything works fine except the reported
 speed...
  Any ideas?

 Since the interface that mii-tools is reporting on is a virtual one, having
 nothing to do with any real hardware, I would say ignore it.


 Mark Post

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Re: Gigabit interface on Linux?

2008-09-29 Thread Barton Robinson

Decent performance tools can be used to benchmark it.  Create a benchmark from 
one linux
server to the other and measure it.



Scott Rohling wrote:


Any ideas on how we can verify what the speed really is?   Since they are
seeing this number - there is now doubt in the air :-)

Scott Rohling

p.s.  ethtool eth0   return 'No data available'

On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 10:14 AM, Mark Post [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



On 9/29/2008 at 12:02 PM, in message


[EMAIL PROTECTED], Scott
Rohling
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


On RHEL5.2 -- we're using mii-tools and seeing that the ethernet


interface


is set to 100mbs --  the OSA is set to gigabit - and we're wondering if
something special needs to be done to set it to gigabit speeds..   Using
'ethtool=' doesn't seem to work on Linux (s390x linux)..


I'm amazed that mii-tools returns anything at all.



This is on a VSWITCH --  everything works fine except the reported


speed...


Any ideas?


Since the interface that mii-tools is reporting on is a virtual one, having
nothing to do with any real hardware, I would say ignore it.


Mark Post

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Re: Gigabit interface on Linux?

2008-09-29 Thread Scott Rohling
Right --  that was step 2 -- I was hoping there was some Redhat command that
could tell us (one that works on s390x distros) ...

Thanks, Barton -- we'll see what we can find out thru our own measurements..

Scott Rohling

On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 11:24 AM, Barton Robinson 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Decent performance tools can be used to benchmark it.  Create a benchmark
 from one linux
 server to the other and measure it.




 Scott Rohling wrote:

  Any ideas on how we can verify what the speed really is?   Since they are
 seeing this number - there is now doubt in the air :-)

 Scott Rohling

 p.s.  ethtool eth0   return 'No data available'

 On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 10:14 AM, Mark Post [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


  On 9/29/2008 at 12:02 PM, in message


 [EMAIL PROTECTED], Scott
 Rohling
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  On RHEL5.2 -- we're using mii-tools and seeing that the ethernet


 interface

  is set to 100mbs --  the OSA is set to gigabit - and we're wondering if
 something special needs to be done to set it to gigabit speeds..   Using
 'ethtool=' doesn't seem to work on Linux (s390x linux)..


 I'm amazed that mii-tools returns anything at all.


  This is on a VSWITCH --  everything works fine except the reported


 speed...

  Any ideas?


 Since the interface that mii-tools is reporting on is a virtual one,
 having
 nothing to do with any real hardware, I would say ignore it.


 Mark Post

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Re: Gigabit interface on Linux?

2008-09-29 Thread Bruce Hayden
You'd need to get onto the HMC and use OSA Advanced facilities, select
to view port parameters, and it will show you the current settings.

On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 12:21 PM, Scott Rohling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Any ideas on how we can verify what the speed really is?   Since they are
 seeing this number - there is now doubt in the air :-)

 Scott Rohling

 p.s.  ethtool eth0   return 'No data available'


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Re: Gigabit interface on Linux?

2008-09-29 Thread Scott Rohling
Thanks, Bruce -- we did that and confirmed it's set to gigabit..  but there
seems to be concern from the Linux folks as mii-tools is reporting 100mbs
and ethtool is not reporting anything...

Scott Rohling

On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 10:33 AM, Bruce Hayden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 You'd need to get onto the HMC and use OSA Advanced facilities, select
 to view port parameters, and it will show you the current settings.

 On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 12:21 PM, Scott Rohling [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:
  Any ideas on how we can verify what the speed really is?   Since they are
  seeing this number - there is now doubt in the air :-)
 
  Scott Rohling
 
  p.s.  ethtool eth0   return 'No data available'


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Re: Gigabit interface on Linux?

2008-09-29 Thread Bruce Hayden
That's because, as Mark said, you're attached to a virtual device, and
the speed doesn't have much meaning.  Any data flowing Linux to
Linux within the same vswitch could flow much faster than a gigabit,
but data flowing out the physical port is limited by the connection on
that port.  The virtual NIC is only indirectly related to the physical
port.

On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 12:39 PM, Scott Rohling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Thanks, Bruce -- we did that and confirmed it's set to gigabit..  but there
 seems to be concern from the Linux folks as mii-tools is reporting 100mbs
 and ethtool is not reporting anything...

 Scott Rohling

 On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 10:33 AM, Bruce Hayden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 You'd need to get onto the HMC and use OSA Advanced facilities, select
 to view port parameters, and it will show you the current settings.

 On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 12:21 PM, Scott Rohling [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:
  Any ideas on how we can verify what the speed really is?   Since they are
  seeing this number - there is now doubt in the air :-)
 
  Scott Rohling
 
  p.s.  ethtool eth0   return 'No data available'


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Re: Gigabit interface on Linux?

2008-09-29 Thread Scott Rohling
Ok - gotcha ...  I guess I'm not thinking 'virtual' today ;-) ...

On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 10:45 AM, Bruce Hayden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 That's because, as Mark said, you're attached to a virtual device, and
 the speed doesn't have much meaning.  Any data flowing Linux to
 Linux within the same vswitch could flow much faster than a gigabit,
 but data flowing out the physical port is limited by the connection on
 that port.  The virtual NIC is only indirectly related to the physical
 port.

 On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 12:39 PM, Scott Rohling [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:
  Thanks, Bruce -- we did that and confirmed it's set to gigabit..  but
 there
  seems to be concern from the Linux folks as mii-tools is reporting 100mbs
  and ethtool is not reporting anything...
 
  Scott Rohling
 
  On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 10:33 AM, Bruce Hayden [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:
 
  You'd need to get onto the HMC and use OSA Advanced facilities, select
  to view port parameters, and it will show you the current settings.
 
  On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 12:21 PM, Scott Rohling 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  wrote:
   Any ideas on how we can verify what the speed really is?   Since they
 are
   seeing this number - there is now doubt in the air :-)
  
   Scott Rohling
  
   p.s.  ethtool eth0   return 'No data available'
 
 
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Re: Gigabit interface on Linux?

2008-09-29 Thread Hall, Ken (GTS)
We actually opened an issue with IBM over this.  Here's what I got back:


Action Taken...: The ethtool utility is not supported with all device   
drivers as noted in the man page. It's very typical that for an 
gigabit NIC (especially a fiber connection) will not have a valid   
speed reported or no speed reported at all. To some degree it makes a   
bit of sense as a gigabit card is exactly that, 1GB. That is you can't  
tell a 1GB FIBER card to run at 10MB. Granted what gets reported by 
ethtool (really what th device driver is returning is mis-leading). 

Here is another example .. a very simple Tigon3 GB NIC, note the
speed it reported as Unknown!   


[EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]# ethtool eth0   
Settings for eth0:  
Supported ports: [ FIBRE ]  
Supported link modes:   1000baseT/Half 1000baseT/Full   
Supports auto-negotiation: Yes  
Advertised link modes:  1000baseT/Half 1000baseT/Full   
Advertised auto-negotiation: Yes
Speed: Unknown! (0) 
Duplex: Half
Port: FIBRE 


mii-tool is only valid for mii compatable NIC cards.

If the goal is to do some performance testing, then the best method 
is to use the netperf tools. ( see http://www.netperf.org) Another  
simple test is using dd and ftp, for example:   

# ftp hostname_of_server  
ftp bin
ftp put | dd if=/dev/zero bs=32k count=1 /dev/null   

Using either of these tools should confirm that the NICS are
transfering far faster the 10MB.


So in other words, the gigabit OSA can only run at a gigabit, the tools
are useless for this application, and the only way to be sure about the
throughput is to measure it.


-Original Message-
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Mark Post
Sent: Monday, September 29, 2008 12:14 PM
To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU
Subject: Re: [LINUX-390] Gigabit interface on Linux?

 On 9/29/2008 at 12:02 PM, in message
[EMAIL PROTECTED], Scott
Rohling
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 
 On RHEL5.2 -- we're using mii-tools and seeing that the ethernet
interface
 is set to 100mbs --  the OSA is set to gigabit - and we're wondering
if
 something special needs to be done to set it to gigabit speeds..
Using
 'ethtool=' doesn't seem to work on Linux (s390x linux)..

I'm amazed that mii-tools returns anything at all.

 This is on a VSWITCH --  everything works fine except the reported
speed...
 Any ideas?

Since the interface that mii-tools is reporting on is a virtual one,
having nothing to do with any real hardware, I would say ignore it.


Mark Post

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Re: Gigabit interface on Linux?

2008-09-29 Thread Scott Rohling
Thanks!  That's very helpful to show this customer...  appreciate you
passing that on!

Scott Rohling

On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 10:51 AM, Hall, Ken (GTS) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 We actually opened an issue with IBM over this.  Here's what I got back:


 Action Taken...: The ethtool utility is not supported with all device
 drivers as noted in the man page. It's very typical that for an
 gigabit NIC (especially a fiber connection) will not have a valid
 speed reported or no speed reported at all. To some degree it makes a
 bit of sense as a gigabit card is exactly that, 1GB. That is you can't
 tell a 1GB FIBER card to run at 10MB. Granted what gets reported by
 ethtool (really what th device driver is returning is mis-leading).

 Here is another example .. a very simple Tigon3 GB NIC, note the
 speed it reported as Unknown!


 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]# ethtool eth0
 Settings for eth0:
Supported ports: [ FIBRE ]
Supported link modes:   1000baseT/Half 1000baseT/Full
Supports auto-negotiation: Yes
Advertised link modes:  1000baseT/Half 1000baseT/Full
Advertised auto-negotiation: Yes
Speed: Unknown! (0)
Duplex: Half
Port: FIBRE


 mii-tool is only valid for mii compatable NIC cards.

 If the goal is to do some performance testing, then the best method
 is to use the netperf tools. ( see http://www.netperf.org) Another
 simple test is using dd and ftp, for example:

 # ftp hostname_of_server
 ftp bin
 ftp put | dd if=/dev/zero bs=32k count=1 /dev/null

 Using either of these tools should confirm that the NICS are
 transfering far faster the 10MB.


 So in other words, the gigabit OSA can only run at a gigabit, the tools
 are useless for this application, and the only way to be sure about the
 throughput is to measure it.


 -Original Message-
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 Mark Post
 Sent: Monday, September 29, 2008 12:14 PM
 To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU
 Subject: Re: [LINUX-390] Gigabit interface on Linux?

  On 9/29/2008 at 12:02 PM, in message
 [EMAIL PROTECTED], Scott
 Rohling
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  On RHEL5.2 -- we're using mii-tools and seeing that the ethernet
 interface
  is set to 100mbs --  the OSA is set to gigabit - and we're wondering
 if
  something special needs to be done to set it to gigabit speeds..
 Using
  'ethtool=' doesn't seem to work on Linux (s390x linux)..

 I'm amazed that mii-tools returns anything at all.

  This is on a VSWITCH --  everything works fine except the reported
 speed...
  Any ideas?

 Since the interface that mii-tools is reporting on is a virtual one,
 having nothing to do with any real hardware, I would say ignore it.


 Mark Post

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Re: Gigabit interface on Linux?

2008-09-29 Thread Mark Post
 On 9/29/2008 at 12:39 PM, in message
[EMAIL PROTECTED], Scott Rohling
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 
 Thanks, Bruce -- we did that and confirmed it's set to gigabit..  but there
 seems to be concern from the Linux folks as mii-tools is reporting 100mbs
 and ethtool is not reporting anything...

I suppose you could ask them what Xen and VMware guests report, and if that has 
any relation to the actual hardware in those boxes.  I would have to believe 
not.


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Re: Gigabit interface on Linux?

2008-09-29 Thread David Boyes
 Thanks, Bruce -- we did that and confirmed it's set to gigabit..  but
 there
 seems to be concern from the Linux folks as mii-tools is reporting
100mbs
 and ethtool is not reporting anything...

I'd actually argue that ethtool is right -- there really isn't any valid
number TO report. Reporting the actual physical interface speed would be
wrong in that the memory speed interface isn't actually limited to that
speed, and reporting the actual memory interface speed is wrong in that
it's a theoretical number that you won't ever actually get. 

I guess my question is: why do they care? Does the application behave
differently with different interface speeds, or is this one of those
checkbox evals where must have gigE support is on there? 

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Re: Gigabit interface on Linux?

2008-09-29 Thread Scott Rohling
They're just trying to confirm what they have.. and using the Linux tools
they normally use to do so.  I've since explained that a virtual NIC isn't
going to show them the physical characteristics of the 'real' NIC and have
explained that we've verified the OSA is set to gigabit speed.

I guess you could equate it to the 'checkbox eval' -- someone from the app
team got on and showed them what mii-tools what indicating and so they
naturally started to ask questions or wonder if they needed to set something
from the Linux side...   Now that I've gotten all the good input, I'm better
able to explain what they are seeing and why...

Thanks again for all the great responses!

Scott Rohling

On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 11:11 AM, David Boyes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  Thanks, Bruce -- we did that and confirmed it's set to gigabit..  but
  there
  seems to be concern from the Linux folks as mii-tools is reporting
 100mbs
  and ethtool is not reporting anything...

 I'd actually argue that ethtool is right -- there really isn't any valid
 number TO report. Reporting the actual physical interface speed would be
 wrong in that the memory speed interface isn't actually limited to that
 speed, and reporting the actual memory interface speed is wrong in that
 it's a theoretical number that you won't ever actually get.

 I guess my question is: why do they care? Does the application behave
 differently with different interface speeds, or is this one of those
 checkbox evals where must have gigE support is on there?

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Re: Gigabit interface on Linux?

2008-09-29 Thread Hall, Ken (GTS)
This is pretty much the same situation we had.  The SA's are used to the
tools they know, so when they don't behave as expected on z, they get
nervous.

I've had questions about grub, netdump, EMC Powerpath, and Veritas VxVM.

-Original Message-
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Scott Rohling
Sent: Monday, September 29, 2008 2:13 PM
To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU
Subject: Re: [LINUX-390] Gigabit interface on Linux?

They're just trying to confirm what they have.. and using the Linux
tools
they normally use to do so.  I've since explained that a virtual NIC
isn't
going to show them the physical characteristics of the 'real' NIC and
have
explained that we've verified the OSA is set to gigabit speed.

I guess you could equate it to the 'checkbox eval' -- someone from the
app
team got on and showed them what mii-tools what indicating and so they
naturally started to ask questions or wonder if they needed to set
something
from the Linux side...   Now that I've gotten all the good input, I'm
better
able to explain what they are seeing and why...

Thanks again for all the great responses!

Scott Rohling

On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 11:11 AM, David Boyes [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

  Thanks, Bruce -- we did that and confirmed it's set to gigabit..
but
  there
  seems to be concern from the Linux folks as mii-tools is reporting
 100mbs
  and ethtool is not reporting anything...

 I'd actually argue that ethtool is right -- there really isn't any
valid
 number TO report. Reporting the actual physical interface speed would
be
 wrong in that the memory speed interface isn't actually limited to
that
 speed, and reporting the actual memory interface speed is wrong in
that
 it's a theoretical number that you won't ever actually get.

 I guess my question is: why do they care? Does the application behave
 differently with different interface speeds, or is this one of those
 checkbox evals where must have gigE support is on there?

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