Linux-Advocacy Digest #164
Linux-Advocacy Digest #164, Volume #35 Tue, 12 Jun 01 16:13:05 EDT Contents: Re: Microsft IE6 smart tags (Erik Funkenbusch) Re: IBM Goes Gay (Rex Ballard) Re: Microsft IE6 smart tags (Norman D. Megill) Re: Laugh, it's hilarious. (Pinocchio Poppins) Re: So what software is the NYSE running ? (Rex Ballard) Re: Why homosexuals are no threat to heterosexuals (S.T. Pickrell) Re: Microsft IE6 smart tags (Grant Fischer) Re: Linux penetration MUCH lower than previously claimed (tony roth) Re: Here we go again! (Michael Vester) From: Erik Funkenbusch [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Microsft IE6 smart tags Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 13:25:37 -0500 GreyCloud [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Jon Johansan wrote: Peter Köhlmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... T. Max Devlin wrote: Said Ayende Rahien in alt.destroy.microsoft on Sun, 10 Jun 2001 14:08:35 Actually, the reason I want net worth is to find things out about other companies. I sometimes post stuff that would be much more interesting if I could add small tidbits like, X could buy Y for pocket change. Actually, Ayende, if you don't mind the advice, it would just make you look foolish. No, TMax, the one person looking foolish is you. Ayende is advocating Windows, and he has reasons to do it. You may find those reasons invalid, but he does it in a quite pleasant way, very different from Chad Myers and Jon Johanson. Pleasant or not pleasant (from your point of view) doesn't invalidate things Chad or I may say. I don't think I'm unpleasant but I realize that I am saying things that people who hate MS and it's products won't like to hear. And sometimes I put linux down too and that would be unpleasant to those that love it. But, again, that doesn't invalidate the facts. He actually knows what he is talking about. I take offense at that however, I do know what I'm talking about - you may just not like what you hear... You, on the other hand, tell us all how vastly superior linux is compared to the stuff MS sells. Yet you do not use linux, you use windows. Seems to be a little contradiction, doesn´t it? So why not fling your unpleasant comments at him then? At least we use the products we advocate religiously. Hey, when is MS gonna fix VC6.0?? I've been waiting for over a year and still no fixes. Are you not aware of the 5 service packs? SP5 was released about 6 months ago. -- From: Rex Ballard [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: IBM Goes Gay Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 18:45:50 GMT This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ==0FEDD4B2BFD9097B02117360 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit IBM has a very aggressive diversity program. The company does business in many places like San Francisco and New York City where the LAW requires certain protections. Besides, it's good business. If someone could have a $2 billion impact on your bottom line, but he had a boyfriend, your investors really wouldn't care, would they? Vint Cerf was deaf and rarely spoke. John Postel looked like a Hippie. Several key players in the commercialization of the Internet were gay, lesbian, transgendered, or transvestites. That commercialization effort has created an industry that moves over $1 trillion/year. The fact is that most large corporations, and nearly all of the Fortune 1000 have very aggressive diversity programs which include diversity training upon hire, and often with annual updates. Managers must take additional training. Keep in mind that creating an environment that is hostile to gays or lesbians is considered a form of sexual harassement under federal law. Many state and local laws are even more restrictive. In places such as New York, San Francisco, Denver, Seattle, or Minneapolis, there are laws specifically protecting people from discrimination on the basis of actual or perceived sexual preference. They are guaranteed the right to equal employment opportunity, housing, privacy, and to be secure in their persons (not be assaulted or abused because they are actually or perceived to be gay). Just as there are many small towns where other civil rights laws are not enforced, I suppose you could find some small town in the U.S. who adheres to fundamentalist beliefs that include adherence to the original Kosher laws regarding all manner of sexuality. If you have a small business in that town that does business nowhere else, you probably would come under the radar. But when you are a big company, with deep pockets, it's a very bad idea to let some loudmouthed redneck turn your company into a target for a $20 million lawsuit and $20 million in legal fees. If you are advocating that we should, perhaps go back to the days when
Linux-Advocacy Digest #164
Linux-Advocacy Digest #164, Volume #34Thu, 3 May 01 17:13:07 EDT Contents: Re: Why Linux Is no threat to Windows domination of the desktop (Aaron R. Kulkis) Re: KuKuNut, USA/USAF Doctrine for Airlift Operations? (Aaron R. Kulkis) Re: Why Linux Is no threat to Windows domination of the desktop (jim dutton) Re: Why Linux Is no threat to Windows domination of the desktop (jim dutton) Re: OT: Treason (was Re: Communism) (Roberto Alsina) Re: I think I've discovered Flatfish's true identity... (Craig Kelley) Re: Linux is paralyzed before it even starts (Pete Goodwin) Re: Major Microsoft FUD tomorrow!! (Donn Miller) Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! (Daniel Johnson) Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! (Daniel Johnson) Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! (Daniel Johnson) Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! (Daniel Johnson) Re: Why is Microsoft opening more Windows source code? (Flacco) Re: Linux is paralyzed before it even starts (Donn Miller) Re: Linux has one chance left. ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Re: Linux has one chance left. ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) From: Aaron R. Kulkis [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Why Linux Is no threat to Windows domination of the desktop Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 15:12:18 -0400 sisso#pod wrote: In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Aaron says... Matthew Gardiner wrote: Nomen Nescio wrote: Matthew Gardiner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: : What an absurd statement, you're the one being completely illogical. : If a hetrosexual can be converted then clearly they already have : homosexual leanings. : :Proof? Know anybody who 'came out of the closet' who said ``I honestly had absolutely no desire for guys before and got turned on by women only, and I wasn't just acting.'' ? Why is it called 'coming out of the closet' as in their personality was hidden, rather than, ``changing my mind about what gender I wanted to boink.'' Also take this logic as well. Would some one wakeup one day and say, I'll join one of the most despised groups, lose most of my friends and then to top it all off, get rejected by my family. Doesn't sound logical, does it? yet l. ron hubbard has thousands of followers to this day. jackie 'anakin' tokeman men fear thought as they fear nothing else on earth - more than ruin, more even than death - bertrand russell Who's Ron Hubbard? L. Ron Hubbard, science fiction writer. Created the religion Dianetics to win a bet. really? Yes -- Aaron R. Kulkis Unix Systems Engineer DNRC Minister of all I survey ICQ # 3056642 L: This seems to have reduced my spam. Maybe if everyone does it we can defeat the email search bots. [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] K: Truth in advertising: Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shalala, Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakhan, Special Interest Sierra Club, Anarchist Members of the ACLU Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement, J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4, The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle), also known as old hags who've hit the wall I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the challenge to describe even one philosophical difference between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact, Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole H: Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because you are lazy, stupid people G: Knackos...you're a retard. F: Unit_4's Kook hunt reminds me of Jimmy Baker's harangues against adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn. E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until her behavior improves. D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup ...despite (C) above. C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me. B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a direction that she doesn't like. A: The wise man is mocked by fools. -- From: Aaron R. Kulkis [EMAIL PROTECTED] Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,us.military.army,soc.singles,soc.men,misc.survivalism,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh Subject: Re: KuKuNut, USA/USAF Doctrine for Airlift Operations? Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 15:14:35 -0400 WesTralia wrote: Aaron R. Kulkis wrote: WesTralia wrote: Aaron R. Kulkis wrote: WesTralia wrote
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Linux-Advocacy Digest #164, Volume #33 Wed, 28 Mar 01 19:13:07 EST
Contents:
Re: OSX Links - (GreyCloud)
Re: Microsoft uses Linux (GreyCloud)
Re: I regretfully conclude that Linux is a piece of CRAP. (GreyCloud)
Re: Linux dying ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: I regretfully conclude that Linux is a piece of CRAP. (GreyCloud)
Re: Has Linux anything to offer ? (GreyCloud)
Re: First Cross platform (w32 and Linux) virus ("Ayende Rahien")
Re: Linux dying (GreyCloud)
Re: Kulkis not Chad, Gates (was Re Unix/Linux Professionalism) ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Linux dying (GreyCloud)
Re: Linux dying (GreyCloud)
Re: OSX Links - (Matthew Gardiner)
From: GreyCloud [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: OSX Links -
Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 15:07:29 -0800
Matthew Gardiner wrote:
I've got a Sun Blade 100 (4 USB Ports, 2 Firewire, 1 Parallel, a VGA out, a
serial port and assorted audio ouputs) right here, and believe me, it would
kick and iMac any day of the week. Personally, I think that eventually Apple
will move off PPC. I would like to see then adopt the Ultra Sparc processor
(IIe in the low end, III in the high end),they have the benefit of not
needing a fan (my sun Blade 100 Processor just has a heat sink), 64 bit
processing, a costantly evolving processor that is inter-compatible with old
software, and unlike Itanium, they run 32bit programs at full speed.
Matthew Gardiner
I still think you got a bargain there Matthew! For the price of a dual
processor Mac and pit it against the Alpha 64-bit processor at $5800 is
a not contest in the Alphas' favor. It'll run either Tru64 UNIX or
OpenVMS. (OpenVMS is sort of an oxymoron).
I noticed that gnus' gcc will compile for 64-bit sparcs. :-)
I think we are starting to see an "earthquake" in computing... SAMI
Thats just Microsoft trembling in fear of OS X!
--
From: GreyCloud [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Microsoft uses Linux
Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 15:12:50 -0800
Edward Rosten wrote:
btw: have you already seen
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/pro/guide/features.asp
AH! So even Micors~1 admit to `DLL Hell'
-Ed
Yup! I have one of their MSDN papers that admits it too! The funny thing
is, I only purchased the standard edition of VC++6.0. Don't know why
they gave me the subscription or the constant stream of updated CD-Rom
packs. :-))
--
From: GreyCloud [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: I regretfully conclude that Linux is a piece of CRAP.
Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 15:19:24 -0800
Brian Rourke wrote:
On Wed, 28 Mar 2001 00:36:04 -0800, GreyCloud [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Brian Rourke wrote:
On 28 Mar 2001 02:11:42 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Terry Porter)
wrote:
On Tue, 27 Mar 2001 01:53:18 -0700, Brian Rourke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 27 Mar 2001 03:20:09 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Terry Porter)
wrote:
*snip*
May I suggest a good book such as O'Riely's "Running Linux" as a means for you
to obtain some understanding of the basics of installing and running Linux ?
I've thought about buying this several times.
In 1997 thats what I used, and a $6.50 Cheapbytes CD, containing RedHat4.2.
I read that book 3 times, and used a seperate hard drive for Linux, in other
words I'd actually swap hard drives when I wanted to run Linux or Win95.
I'm coming to the conclusion that the separate hard drive may be the
way to go, based on your advice and that of several other people.
Actually, ... now that I've a little more experience, if I could do it again
I'd buy another pc, and network the new Linux box and the Windows box, and move
the one set of keyboard and monitorbetween them as I wished.
A very good, if expensive (for me) idea. Someday...maybe...
This way I could set up a Samba file share on the Linux box and copy all my
Windows files to the Linux box, making the transition as painless as possible.
I also make it a point to 'ruin' a new disto afew times and see how hard it is
to recover, or what I can get away with, before I start depending on the
install.
Another good idea I wouldn't have thought of.
With a seperate Linux box, if you stuff it up, you still have your working
(tongue in cheek) Windows box to fall back on.
Working Windowsif only. You know what happens when you fall back
on a Window...
The Linux box need not be anything special, unless you want speedy Xwindows
response, and even then, something like my Cyrix 686/300 with 128megs ram is
plenty.
Second hand NE2000 network cards will usually be found on boot up by Linux,
the main trouble will be Windows, where you may have to tell it the interrupt
settings of the card if its a isa bus unit.
At first, as I came from a DOS/Windows world, Linux was totally s
Linux-Advocacy Digest #164
Linux-Advocacy Digest #164, Volume #32 Tue, 13 Feb 01 01:13:03 EST
Contents:
Re: Interesting article (Aaron Kulkis)
Re: You're not just Whistler, XP! (Bloody Viking)
Re: I just realized why Google bought Deja.com (Aaron Kulkis)
Re: Interesting article (Aaron Kulkis)
Re: NTFS Limitations (Was: RE: Red hat becoming illegal?) (Aaron Kulkis)
Re: Wy Linux will/is failing on the desktop (Bloody Viking)
Re: Linux Threat: non-existant (Charlie Ebert)
Re: Whistler/.NET will Help Linux (Aaron Kulkis)
Re: Downgrading to Mandrake 7.2 - did Linux become a windoze clone? ("Tom Wilson")
Re: Interesting article (Charlie Ebert)
Re: Linux Threat: non-existant (Aaron Kulkis)
From: Aaron Kulkis [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Interesting article
Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 00:29:17 -0500
Mike Byrns wrote:
"Dave Martel" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
On Mon, 12 Feb 2001 02:16:28 GMT, "Chad Myers"
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
"Dave Martel" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
On Sun, 11 Feb 2001 23:11:39 GMT, "Mike Byrns"
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Linux implementations
are by definition "amateur" as they are done as a pastime rather than
as a
profession.
Then what's it say about MS's so-called "professional" programmers,
that these "amateur" linux programmers stole 30% of MS's Server
market? chortle!
Even though I know you're just being facetious, to be completely
accurate, Linux stole market share from other Unixes. Windows'
market share hasn't declined, in fact continues to rise.
I could argue with that - but it's more fun pointing out that you're
saying that "professionally written" Windows NT wasn't able to grab
that percentage of the market away from Unix, while "non-professional"
linux was. :-)
For those folks running commercial UNIces linux was a natural. The barriers
to entry were almost non-existant. Remeber that most tech folks in UNIX
shops are constantly battling initiatives from the business side that carry
a lower pricetag when done on NT. The UNIX back shop has to constantly
defend their knowledge base and keep NT out or have their bloated IT
salaries look ridiculously out of proportion to the same talent on Windows.
"Bloated" Salaries for UNIX people?
Sorry...but the Windows support assholes are only 10% as productive as
the
typical Unix person...by that measure, Windows support personell should
have salaries in the $3,000-$10,000 / year range.
Anything more is slary bloat for the non-productive MS platform.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
--
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bloody Viking)
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: You're not just Whistler, XP!
Date: 13 Feb 2001 05:30:44 GMT
T. Max Devlin ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
: Codenames are arbitrary. In fact, due to some of the trademark issues,
: you want them to be bad, as well as arbitrary. I think a collision may
: eventually occur between trademark issues and anti-trust issues simply
: because codenames are bandied about so readily these days they could
: effectively turn into pre-announcements, if they are chosen in order to
: be attractive.
If "whistler" is referring to the pay per view software concept,
Linux-Advocacy Digest #164
Linux-Advocacy Digest #164, Volume #31 Sun, 31 Dec 00 21:13:02 EST
Contents:
Re: Why Hatred? ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: EXCLUSIVE: Hacker Steals Redhat Linux Source Code ("Keldon Warlord 2000")
Re: Why Hatred? ("John Smith")
Re: Operating Systems? Where would you go next? ("Nick Saxon")
Re: Annoyed at installations (Terry Porter)
Re: Why Hatred? (J Sloan)
Re: Global Configuration tool (WAS: Re: linux does NOT suck (oh yes it(Jure Sah)
Re: Global Configuration tool (WAS: Re: linux does NOT suck (oh yes it (Jure Sah)
Re: Conclusion ("Adam Ruth")
Re: Uptimes (J Sloan)
Re: Conclusion ("Adam Ruth")
Re: LINUX SYSTEM MANAGEMENT SOFTWARE??? Please Help (J Sloan)
Re: How do you install KDE in Redhat6.0? (J Sloan)
From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Why Hatred?
Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2000 19:48:18 -0500
Perry Pip wrote:
On Sun, 31 Dec 2000 19:15:22 +,
Pete Goodwin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
mlw wrote:
I can understand why Linux users hate Windows, it is something we are
too frequently forced to use even though it, as an operating
environment, is terrible at best.
Oh life is so hard using Windows isn't it!
When it takes one twice as long to do one's works under Windows it's
unreasonable at all to dislike it.
What I can't understand, is the bitter hatred and resentment that some
of the Windows zealots have. They have freedom of choice, they can use
their environment to their hearts content, they can buy almost any
software for it. Why spread FUD and criticize a different environment?
Because you guys keep reporting misinformation about Windows that's why!
Misinformation?? Where?? You're the one with six years Windows
experience, a week of Linux experience...claiming Linux is not as
good.
The only reason I can come up with is fear. They must be afraid of
Linux. The only reason they would have to be afraid is because Linux is
better than Windows. They have to know this, else they would not be
afraid.
Currently I'm certainly not afraid of Linux. I _want_ Linux to compete with
Windows. I just wish it did!
No, you _want_ linux to be like windows, becuase you're too lazy to
learn something new and different. This is why you are waiting for
Borland to port their dev tools to Linux instead of learning the tools
that already exist.
What amazes me is the depths of insults you
guys have to stoop to when things don't go your way!
Insults?? Like your thread about renaming this newsgroup? Your entire
presence on this NG is about your frustration with something that is
new and different.
Petey boy is too dain-bramaged to cope with an improved paradigm.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
--
From: "Keldon Warlord 2000" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: alt.linux.sux
Subject: Re: EXCLUSIVE: Hacker Steals Redhat Linux Source Code
Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2000 17:57:45 -0800
"Aaron R. Kulkis" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
Keldon Warlord 2000 wrote:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message
news:7ohn29.dpn.ln@gd2zzx...
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED],
"Keldon Warlord 2000" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
On Sun, 31 Dec 2000 03:24:44 +1200, "Adam Warner"
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
"Hacker Steals Redhat Linux Source Code"
More proof of the twisted minds of the Penguinista's.
Linux-Advocacy Digest #164
Linux-Advocacy Digest #164, Volume #30 Fri, 10 Nov 00 18:13:03 EST
Contents:
Re: Linux vs Microsoft Misconceptions: ("Javaduke")
Re: What I dont like about Linux (The Ghost In The Machine)
Re: Of course, there is a down side... (Mike Raeder)
Re: Linux Is Lame. Sorry but it is true (Aaron Ginn)
Re: Disapointed in the election ("Javaduke")
Re: Disapointed in the election ("Javaduke")
Re: Linux Is Lame. Sorry but it is true ("Javaduke")
Re: The Sixth Sense ("Ayende Rahien")
Re: Spontaneously Crashing Sun Server Coverup ("Ayende Rahien")
Re: Of course, there is a down side... ("Ayende Rahien")
Re: so REALLY, what's the matter with Microsoft? ("Ayende Rahien")
Re: Why is MS copying Sun??? ("Ayende Rahien")
Re: Windoze 2000 - just as shitty as ever (The Ghost In The Machine)
Re: Spontaneously Crashing Sun Server Coverup (Giuliano Colla)
From: "Javaduke" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Linux vs Microsoft Misconceptions:
Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2000 21:03:43 GMT
My "stats" were a little over the top, however, by kernel 2.4 most computer
hardware will be supported, however, one cannot expect support for devices
used by a small minority. I had a TBS II and it does not work under Linux,
bought a new one (SB Live! Value) and have experience no problems. The key
is to buy very common hardware, the cheapest is not always the best in terms
of compatibility with other OS's.
javaduke
"Mike" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message
news:bPVO5.242595$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
"Javaduke" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message
news:8udf82$3ps$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
Here are some Linux vs. Windows misconceptions:
...
6. Linux's hardware support is limited: This was true in the past,
however,
now with the pending release of kernel 2.4 the only pieces of hardware
not
supported are obscure pieces of hardware that 0.1% of
computer
users have, such as cheap, so-called, SB compliant cards and USB devices
nobodies heard of.
Check your math, Javaduke:
0.0001% of all the people on earth is less than one.
0.1% of computer users, if everyone on earth used computers,
is
one million times less than that. This might amount to a fingernail
clipping, or a lock of hair. Maybe. But, of course, not everyone in the
world uses computers. So maybe it's just a single strand of hair. Or a
fart.
Surely you aren't really trying to say what you actually said: that there
are no devices that Linux doesn't support. If so, come on by some time,
and
I'll be glad to show you some.
-- Mike --
--
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (The Ghost In The Machine)
Subject: Re: What I dont like about Linux
Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2000 21:10:13 GMT
In comp.os.linux.advocacy, MH
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote
on Fri, 10 Nov 2000 09:22:03 -0500
8uh039$fa3$[EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Does anyone get the sense here that if MS spun off a facade company to port
a few MS apps to linux, say Word for instance, and they were to call it
LinWordz or something.
I can hear you in here now singing the praises of this product like it was
the best thing since X rated internet sites. Oh, forget that last part.
Doesn't apply in cola., Uh, er,..since Konqueror...
Funny, this two sided argument known as linux advocacy.
I could see MS porting Office and IE to Linux very easily (IE has
already been ported to Solaris -- of course, a large chunk of
Windows went over as well :-) ).
Whether it makes economic sense to do so is unclear.
There is also the interesting -- and slightly disturbing --
possibility that Microsoft may port IE and Office to get
rid of Linux as a threat to the rest of their business.
Once the world is hooked on IE and Office -- which then become
de-facto industry standards (if they aren't already!), MS can
then pull some sort of "bait-and-switch" tactic to get the
public onto the MS Win/MS Office platform (as opposed to the
Linux/MS Office platform). Instant Vendor Lock-in! :-)
This particular strategy may backfire, admittedly, if IT
departments switch to Linux and then Netscape (or some
other MIME-compliant mailer), however. There are also some
issues with respect to improving remote administration (or perhaps
publicising the tools that allow NT/Win2k to be remote-administered).
There is also the issue of source code; the more pedantic companies
may insist on the release thereof for checking purposes -- especially
if companies such as Rational Rose can develop a tool that allows
companies to "check" source code to prove that it meets certain
specifications (e.g., no buffer overruns, conforms to POSIX standards,
no memory leaks, etc. -- undoubtedly this is several years in the
future, but I don't know the state of the art regarding code verification).
Linux-Advocacy Digest #164
Linux-Advocacy Digest #164, Volume #29 Sun, 17 Sep 00 21:13:06 EDT
Contents:
Re: [OT] Public v. Private Schools (Bob Germer)
Re: [OT] Public v. Private Schools (Jason Bowen)
Re: Never tell me again that Windows is easy to install!!! It's a lie! ("Erik
Funkenbusch")
Re: Id Software developer prefers OS X to Linux, NT (dc)
Re: "Real Unix" Vs Linux ("Rev. Don Kool")
Re: [OT] Public v. Private Schools ("JS/PL")
Re: [OT] Public v. Private Schools (Jason Bowen)
Re: OS choice (Tim Hanson)
Re: Id Software developer prefers OS X to Linux, NT (Chad Irby)
Re: Id Software developer prefers OS X to Linux, NT (Chad Irby)
Re: Never tell me again that Windows is easy to install!!! It's a lie! (OSguy)
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
From: Bob Germer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [OT] Public v. Private Schools
Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2000 22:54:08 GMT
On 09/17/2000 at 02:18 PM,
"Joe Malloy" [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
The PGA Tour didn't exist until this century. Maybe it's responsible. You
have not proof that CFC's caused the change. No one knows what causes the
changes, and your theory is as full of holes as claiming the PGA tour did
it.
Well hell you can't provide proof of other claims you make so you drop
those threads so to a new one you go. You know an asshole like yourself
wouldn't know cursorary evidence if it hit you in the face. The pga tour
doesn't produce cfc's, ergo it isn't at fault. The are a by product of
aerosols though and guess what, they have only existed in the last
century. Care to try again? So why do you not like having the truth in
front of you?
No one has provided any irrefutable scientific proof which is universally
accepted that CFC's have cause any climatic changes. There are theories
put forth by some scientists which are not accepted by others with equal
prominence.
You on the other hand are too stupid to recognize valid analogy when you
read it. Sad, sad, sad. About what one expects from liberals like you.
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Bob Germer from Mount Holly, NJ - E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Proudly running OS/2 Warp 4.0 w/ FixPack 14
MR/2 Ice 2.20 Registration Number 67
Finishing in 2nd place makes you first loser
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jason Bowen)
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: [OT] Public v. Private Schools
Date: 17 Sep 2000 23:05:05 GMT
In article 39c54bdd$3$obot$[EMAIL PROTECTED],
Bob Germer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 09/17/2000 at 02:18 PM,
"Joe Malloy" [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
The PGA Tour didn't exist until this century. Maybe it's responsible. You
have not proof that CFC's caused the change. No one knows what causes the
changes, and your theory is as full of holes as claiming the PGA tour did
it.
Well hell you can't provide proof of other claims you make so you drop
those threads so to a new one you go. You know an asshole like yourself
wouldn't know cursorary evidence if it hit you in the face. The pga tour
doesn't produce cfc's, ergo it isn't at fault. The are a by product of
aerosols though and guess what, they have only existed in the last
century. Care to try again? So why do you not like having the truth in
front of you?
No one has provided any irrefutable scientific proof which is universally
accepted that CFC's have cause any climatic changes. There are theories
put forth by some scientists which are not accepted by others with equal
prominence.
Which is why things are called theories and studied. Dismissing something
because there is a disagreement is the sign of stupidity.
You on the other hand are too stupid to recognize valid analogy when you
read it. Sad, sad, sad. About what one expects from liberals like you.
You're analogy was very poor. There is proof that CFC's are by-products
of certain aerosols, simple chemistry shows that. CFS's also destroy O3,
plenty of proof for that. I don't know about Joe, but I am no liberal,
pretty conservative actually. I just am not facist and know not to
dismiss something that might hurt one of my beliefs. You are too small of
a person to do such a thing and are more of a facist than a conservative.
Too bad you are too fucking stupid to provide real proof for your beliefs.
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Bob Germer from Mount Holly, NJ - E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Proudly running OS/2 Warp 4.0 w/ FixPack 14
MR/2 Ice 2.20 Registr
Linux-Advocacy Digest #164
Linux-Advocacy Digest #164, Volume #28Tue, 1 Aug 00 20:13:04 EDT
Contents:
Re: Just curious, how do I do this in Windows? ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: one of Lenin's Useful Idiots denies reality (Loren Petrich)
Re: Is there such a thing as a free lunch? ("scaddenp")
Re: Micro$oft retests TPC benchmark ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Micro$oft retests TPC benchmark ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Learn Unix on which Unix Flavour ? (Ed Reppert)
Re: Micro$oft retests TPC benchmark ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Micro$oft retests TPC benchmark ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Micro$oft retests TPC benchmark ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Linux, easy to use? (Ed Reppert)
From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Just curious, how do I do this in Windows?
Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2000 19:50:01 -0400
Nathaniel Jay Lee wrote:
Nathaniel Jay Lee wrote:
"Aaron R. Kulkis" wrote:
Nathaniel Jay Lee wrote:
"Aaron R. Kulkis" wrote:
Nathaniel Jay Lee wrote:
"Aaron R. Kulkis" wrote:
Oh, but all three can use it without problems; voila, a netural
format.
Has anybody told you that you are a fucking idiot.
it's true, it's true.
Oh god, we can't escape Kurt Angle even on usenet!
(THIS JOKE INTENDED FOR WWF FANS. AND IF YOU ARE, IT SPEAKS VOLUMES.
HINT: It's not just the catch phrase they have in common.)
Never watch wresting...I don't even watch TV.
Someone else used in another newsgroup, and I thought it was...poignant.
Ah, so that it's not totally lost on you, here is a brief explaination.
Don't take it too personally, it was meant as a joke.
Kurt Angle is a former Olympic gold medal winner that now wrestles in
the WWF. He is extremely egotistical. He uses his Olympic gold as his
excuse for his ego. He comes out and tells the crowd they are nothing
because they don't have 'what it takes' to 'win the gold'. They don't
know what it's like to work for something. They just don't understand
how hard it is to truly work towards your goals. On and on.
He also won a tournament known as King of the Ring and it added to his
ego. He considers himself royalty (and feels it is only appropriate,
after all, he is an Olympic Gold Medalist) and that everyone around him,
including the other wrestlers, are just commoners. He typical goes out
of his way to insult someone, or to insult that crowd, and then as he is
getting booed, he nods his head, holds out his hands and says, "It's
true, it's true!"
Thanks for the info.
While not a fan of TV wrestling (gag) he does have a very good point.
*HE* won the gold. *HE* reached the pinnacle of achievement which
none of his opponents have even come within reach of.
My point exactly. While you both have a right to be somewhat arrogant
(after all, you have each achieved quite a bit in your own way) and you
are nearly as annoying as he is,
Sorry Aaron, I meant to say 'and you aren't nearly as annoying as he is.
No offense taken. I know I'm annoying on USENETby design.
(Ask Drestin Adress)
My bad :(
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[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Nathaniel Jay Lee
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
I: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
J: Loren's Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: "Jeem" Dutton is a fool of the pathological liar sort.
C: Jet plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a method of
sidetracking discussions which are headed in a direction
that she doesn't like.
D: Jet claims to have killfiled me.
E: Jet now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (D) above.
F: Neither Jeem nor Jet are worthy of the time to compose a
response until their behavior improves.
G: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
H: Knackos...you're a retard.
--
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Loren Petrich)
Crossposted-To:
alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,misc.legal,talk.politics.misc,alt.politics.libertarian,talk.politics.libertarian,alt.society.liberalism,soc.singles
Subject: Re: one of Lenin's Useful Idiots
Linux-Advocacy Digest #164
Linux-Advocacy Digest #164, Volume #27 Sun, 18 Jun 00 03:13:03 EDT
Contents:
Re: How many times, installation != usability. (WhyteWolf)
Re: Why We Should Be Nice To Windows Users -was- Neologism of the day ("Christopher
Smith")
Re: Claims of Windows supporting old applications are reflecting reality or fantasy?
("Quantum Leaper")
Re: Why X is better than Terminal Server (Jeff Szarka)
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (WhyteWolf)
Subject: Re: How many times, installation != usability.
Date: 18 Jun 2000 06:10:10 GMT
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Tim Palmer wrote:
[sniped]
Actually the store people will do what they do no matter what you ask
them. They will stand there scratching thier heads going "DUH" and
drewling.
Learn to speal "drool", morron.
your giving spelling lessons?
the world is truly doomed
NT can handall 2 network card. All Linsux fools have to say about that is "one
network card
ought to be enough for anybody!"
Um, I hate to break this to you, but I have two servers in the room
right above me that each have four network cards in them. You were
saying?
Linsux slows down to a crawl when it has to handall more than 1 NIC. NT can run
circels around
Linsux with 2 NICs. Linux loser's only answer to this is 'why would you ever want to
run a server
with 2 NICs?'
bold face lies
good going ... nice tatics ... gota love that
so when is NT going to handle a S/390??
{and yes LINUX runs on the system
pure linux .. on the big iron ... }
And then you half to drop to Linux's version of DOS in order to correct the
shortcut.
I don't know of any graphical file manager under Linux that won't allow
you to create links.
I know of a few that will delay forever and a day when you try to lode a folder as
big as /dev.
yeah? I wannt see that I havn't seen one yet
and I"ve used most of the most obsecure ones
only thing I've ever seen have that problem
was a windows box that tried readding a
network link to a huge directory over a
100/10 it hung the system cause windows
didn't know enough to stop reading on it's own
I figured that the client at least would have figured
out TIME_OUT
Yeah, if you like wrighting a shell script everytime you nead the computer to do
something that
would be simpal under Windows.
Um, no, it wouldn't even be possible under Windows most of the time.
What woudlnt evan be possible? A script that takes the second word from every file in
/etc and
prints it all on one line? Who cares?
no ... what wouldn't be posable in windows is a script
that grabs all the headers for updated programs off of
freshmeat checks a database that was built with another script
of all the programs that you want it to update with the
latest stable release transparently of course
Let's see, browse the web,
...with Nutscrape. Try IE. You'll never look back.
tried IE ... 5.0 was when they first started
towards the right track ... they really have alot
more work to do ...
watch RealMedia streaming,
...with last year's version of the software...
nope 7.0 .. which is the latest version for windows
use imaging software,
Photoshop? Or are you counting the GIMP as "imaging software"?
scan papers,
...only with scannars specially designed to be "standard" enough for Linux to
recognize.
serve files, web servers, ftp servers,
...only as long as you like fucking around with /etc/inetd.conf,
/etc/rc.d/rc.WHATEVER, etc.
yeah .. love fsking around with /etc/inetd.conf ... only hafta
enter the data once and it runs ... exatly like I want it to
with out having any problems ... everytime
NIS/YP servers,
Only usefull on UNIX, whear you half to have the same numerric user-IDs across the
whoal network.
play games,
...only crappy, open-sores games.
Quake III is open source?
UnReal Ternament is Open Source?
and pretty much any other thing you can dream up
doing with your precious Windows. Granted, I'm a writer as one of my
hobbies and Linux allows me much more flexibility with my writing, but
that doesn't mean I can't use it for a million other things. One of my
favorite Linux boxes is the one I use to rip and compress all of my CDs
into MP3s and then anytime I want to listen to a song it's just a few
mouse-clicks away.
Don't you mean a few text commands away? Thears nothing on Linux that even counts as
being
functional to a WinAmp user.
nope mouse clicks ... XMMS is a nice little piece of work
looks and acts exatly like Winamp ... it's always
fun to listen to shoutcast streams in it sence it doesn't
take as much over head as winamp it self did ...
I was plesently surprized with the downbit streams i was getting
You aren't stuck with someone else's idea of what your computer should
"feel" like. That is the one thing that I hated about Windows. You had
to use your computer the way that Bill G
Linux-Advocacy Digest #164
Linux-Advocacy Digest #164, Volume #26 Mon, 17 Apr 00 01:13:08 EDT
Contents:
Re: New Linux User Question (Charlie Ebert)
Linux: which distribution?...what tools? ("cadman2")
Re: Windows 2000 has 63,000 bugs - Win2k.html [0/1] - Win2k.html [0/1] (Christopher
Browne)
Re: Linux for a web developer (Leslie Mikesell)
Re: Introduction to Linux article for commentary (Leslie Mikesell)
Re: The truth is often painful... (Terry Porter)
Re: Introduction to Linux article for commentary (John Hasler)
Re: MS caught breaking web sites (David Steuber)
Re: MS caught breaking web sites (David Steuber)
Re: .DLL not present in W2K, MICROSOFT GUILTY OF COVERUP! (David Steuber)
Re: MICROSOFT IT THRU! MICROSOFT IS THRU! (David Steuber)
Re: Linux for a web developer (Leslie Mikesell)
Re: Windows is scary all right (Terry Porter)
Re: Windows is scary all right (Terry Porter)
Re: Linux for a web developer (Leslie Mikesell)
Re: We need a new subject was (Re: You anti-Microsoft types just don't get it, do
you?) ("Keith T. Williams")
Re: Linux: which distribution?...what tools? (Christopher Browne)
From: Charlie Ebert [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: New Linux User Question
Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 03:04:57 GMT
Did I forget to tell you that if you get Linux installed, you get to come back
on
this very news-group and tell Joe Kiester where to park it?
Charlie
Tobias Adrianse wrote:
I am interested in making the transition to Linux as my OS. I currently run
Win98. If this is a bad newsgroup for this post please direct me to one
that is better.
What are the basic advantages for running Linux. ( I am looking into red
hat)
What are the basic disadvantages for runnig Linux?
Will my programs run the same even if they are meant to be run under a
windows 98 OS?
Will I still be able to use Internet Explorer and programs that I currently
have.
I apoligize ahead of time for my ignorance, I know absolutley NOTHING about
Linux.
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[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: "cadman2" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Linux: which distribution?...what tools?
Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2000 20:16:45 -0700
I'll soon be making the switch from my rickety Windows OS to Linux and am
wondering about my options...
I know there are a variety of Linux distributions each supporting various
hardware drivers, but I don't know which would be best for me (interface,
speed, security, etc.).
I'm interested in using Linux for various web and programming
purposes...should hardware support be my only deciding factor?
I've also heard tell of different "extras" I should get like certain text
editors, etc. Any suggestions?
Thanks for your time,
-cadman2
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Christopher Browne)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.misc,comp.os.linux.redhat
Subject: Re: Windows 2000 has 63,000 bugs - Win2k.html [0/1] - Win2k.html [0/1]
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 03:26:23 GMT
Centuries ago, Nostradamus foresaw a time when David Steuber would say:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (abraxas) writes:
' Fucking GOTO's all over the place.
'
' Have you looked at the source for the linux kernel?
david@Interloper: pwd
/usr/src/linux
david@Interloper: find . -name '*.c' -exec grep ' goto ' {} \; | wc
5802212 19404
Color me surprised. Some of those are in comments, BTW. This is the
2.2.14 kernel from kernel.org.
What you are failing to realize is that GOTO is not _inherently_ evil;
it is only evil when layered, like chunky peanut butter, into code.
GOTO is _perfectly_ acceptable to use when it diminishes the complexity
of code.
--
Would-be National Mottos:
Tibet: "It's all downhill from here!"
[EMAIL PROTECTED] - - http://www.ntlug.org/~cbbrowne/lsf.html
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Leslie Mikesell)
Subject: Re: Linux for a web developer
Date: 16 Apr 2000 22:30:45 -0500
Then you don't understand Microsoft very well. The page
was generated directly from a Microsoft product. You can say a
lot of things about Microsoft but you can't say that they
do not understand perfectly the public relations aspect
of making a competitors product look bad. You don't really
think they didn't bother to test, do you?
Les Mikesell
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
In article 8dden8$lc0$[EMAIL PROTECTED],
Davorin Mestric [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
well, netscape is crashing, and it is microsoft's fault? i simply don't
follow your logic.
this would fit nicely into that other thread about the fact that open source
programs crash less. :)
Leslie Mikesell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
(http://www.objectwatch.com/Figures/Issue26/Issue26Figs_files/frame.htm)
Sorry, that page can't get called from Netscape if you don't have M$
office installed. Not even on a windows machine. I don't seem to
