Linux-Advocacy Digest #315
Linux-Advocacy Digest #315, Volume #35 Sat, 16 Jun 01 20:13:02 EDT Contents: Re: Linux inheriting DLL Hell (Chad Myers) Re: PC power switch wont shut down Windows (Chad Myers) Re: More microsoft innovation (Woofbert) Re: Why homosexuals are no threat to heterosexuals (Aaron R. Kulkis) Re: More microsoft innovation (Woofbert) Re: More microsoft innovation (Woofbert) Re: More microsoft innovation (Peter Hayes) Re: So how many applications can Windows run on the IA-64? (The Ghost In The Machine) Re: The Win/userbase! (pip) Re: More micro$oft customer service (Jerome Chan) Re: Just For Fun (Rex Ballard) Re: More micro$oft customer service (Jerome Chan) Re: The beginning of the end for microsoft (Bill Todd) From: Chad Myers [EMAIL PROTECTED] Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy Subject: Re: Linux inheriting DLL Hell Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 22:32:25 GMT Ayende Rahien [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:9gge3a$r02$[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Chad Myers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:%nLW6.41035$[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Ayende Rahien [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:9gfgme$e45$[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Seán Ó Donnchadha [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:vXwW6.1409$[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Craig Kelley [EMAIL PROTECTED]: First of all, DLL Hell doesn't mean a ton of libraries; it means a ton of libraries THAT INSTALL OVER EACHOTHER (like MFC40.DLL, for instance). The Unix scenario is exactly the same, except that it wastes disk space on no-longer-used minor library revisions. It doesn't matter how many versions of libfoo.so.1.* are on the disk, because the libfoo.so.1 symbolic link can only point at one of them. Hmm, does Linux has something like a repharse point? That would allow all applications to link to foo.so.1 and get the minor version that they are expecting. You mean reparse point, not repharse. I keep having trouble remembering how to spell that. I wasn't sure if you were just misspelling it, or if it was a play on words, seeing as how pharse could mean farce, as though somehow reparse points didn't exist =) And yes, it's called a symbolic link. I don't think so, can a symbolic link call to an arbitry program that would then decide what input to feed the program that called it? Can reparse points do this? -c -- From: Chad Myers [EMAIL PROTECTED] Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,alt.destroy.microsoft Subject: Re: PC power switch wont shut down Windows Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 22:33:54 GMT Erik Funkenbusch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:o4RW6.16849$[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Well, do so. Press the button for 5 seconds. That's the way it's designed. I believe with ACPI 2.x compliant BIOSes, you can configure what the power button does. I've seen several systems where you can have it act as sleep mode, hibernate, or act like an old fashioned power button. But in all cases, holding it for 3-5 seconds will shut it down, no questions asked. -c LShaping [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... My computer's Basic Input/Output Service settings and Windows settings are correct, as always. Microsoft has disabled the power switch in certain circumstances in an effort to cope with Windows technical problems. When I want to turn off my computer, I would like to use my computer's power switch to do so. LShaping -- Microsoft is going to court today. Anderson Lie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: tried holding the power switch down for 5 seconds? many of the newer ATX boards uses the power switch as a suspend switch as well (which the OS could very well ignore if set that way) and a 5 seconds press would activate the hardware switch. Anderson Lie LShaping [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... I knew this was going to happen. When I saw the When I press the power button on my computer option in Windows Millennium Power Options I knew that it was going to malfunction. Hello Microsoft. I use the power switch to shut down when Windows wont. Is there some logic in extending Windows dysfunctionallity to my computer's power switch? If I want to hasstle with Windows, isn't that what the Start Shut Down... path is for? Thanks to Microsoft for extending Windows slimey tenticles to my power supply. I can't wait to find out what PCHealth is going to do to my other hard disk partitions. :o/ -- From: Woofbert [EMAIL PROTECTED] Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy Subject: Re: More microsoft innovation Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 22:45:26 GMT In article 9ggl7j$7qd$[EMAIL PROTECTED], Ayende Rahien [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Woofbert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message
Linux-Advocacy Digest #315
Linux-Advocacy Digest #315, Volume #34Tue, 8 May 01 06:13:06 EDT
Contents:
Re: Windos is *unfriendly* (Terry Porter)
Re: Cold feet or Reality Check? (Matthew Gardiner)
Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! (Edward Rosten)
NYC LOCAL: Tuesday 8 May 2001 Linux Society General Meeting: Ruth Shanen introduces
GNU/Linux ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Cold feet or Reality Check? (Tom Wilson)
Re: Windows makes good coasters (Peter =?ISO-8859-1?Q?K=F6hlmann?=)
Re: Linux a Miserable Consumer OS (Donn Miller)
Re: Windows makes good coasters (Ayende Rahien)
Re: Linux a Miserable Consumer OS (Tom Wilson)
Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! (Ayende Rahien)
Re: Linux a Miserable Consumer OS (Glitch)
Re: Why does Flatfoot feel so threatened? (Glitch)
Re: Linux disgusts me (Glitch)
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Terry Porter)
Subject: Re: Windos is *unfriendly*
Reply-To: No-Spam
Date: 08 May 2001 08:09:45 GMT
On Mon, 7 May 2001 11:15:21 +0200,
Mikkel Elmholdt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Craig Kelley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
snip
When was the last time a Linux advocate jumped into a MICROSOFT
ADVOCACY GROUP and derided Windows for being too difficult for the
home or average or grandmother user.
No idea, but I would be somewhat surprised if it had not occurred at some
point in time :-)
Windows users make the claim that Windows = Easy and Linux = Hard.
Terry is simply pointing out that this is not really true. What may
sound like hipocracy to you is entirely valid -- but only because
Windows users make the assertion.
I did not accuse Terry of hypocracy, but more of presenting a bad case.
Hahah, this is unfortunately only too possible!
My
point was simply, that a guy that can spend two months unsuccessfully
networking two Windows PCs will have a hard time getting anything PC-ish to
work.
I disagree, I think that if he had used Linux, he would have simply
d/l the networking how-to and followed the simple steps outlined, testing
his system at all points, starting from his first box.
I don't think that he would be more successful in networking two boxes
running Linux (or any other OS for that matter), not because of any
shortcomings in the OS but because of his own limited technical skills.
You could also be right, but even so, he uses Windows, he spent a few
months trying to network his Windows boxes.
Hence Windos *is* unfriendly. That was my original point.
Whether Linux is or isn't friendly is realy another topic.
Mikkel
--
Kind Regards
Terry
--
My Desktop is powered by GNU/Linux.
1972 Kawa Mach3, 1974 Kawa Z1B, .. 15 more road bikes..
Current Ride ... a 94 Blade
Free Micro burner: http://jsno.downunder.net.au/terry/
** Registration Number: 103931, http://counter.li.org **
--
From: Matthew Gardiner [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Cold feet or Reality Check?
Date: Tue, 08 May 2001 20:12:08 +1200
Tom Wilson wrote:
http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/cn/20010505/tc/microsoft_shelves_office_xp_subs
cription_plan_1.html
You be the judge...
Considering most of their sales would be made to overseas customers,
offering subscriptions services outside the US would be pointless as
many countries, such as New Zealand either have broadband, but it is
expensive, or does not have broardband at all, such as the outback of
Australia.
Matthew Gardiner
--
From: Edward Rosten [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft!
Date: Tue, 08 May 2001 10:17:19 +0100
Well, UNIX printing is much more flexible than windows printing.
See below, I don't think so.
See below...
that is a problem all in itself. Second, we aren't talking about end
users' problems here, we are talking about support for developers.
Let's say that we take two comparable products that does the exact
same thing, one for windows, the other for linux. The windows one
could have printing support in a matter of no time, because GDI
abstract the output device from the developer, so you don't have to
change the code at all to print to a printer or display on the
screen. The only worry you have is page breaks.
You're making an absoloutely *HUGE* mistake here. You're making the
false assumption that all Linux applications use the GUI. Well, they
don't. So now look at it like this:
You have 2 comparable commandline apps, one for windows and one for
Linux, and you want to print from them. How do you do it?
Well, for the windows one you have to do the whole GDI thing, making
your program totally non protable.
From the *command line*? WTF?
FILE *fp = fopen(LPT1,wt); if (!fp){
printf(failure opening printer
Linux-Advocacy Digest #315
Linux-Advocacy Digest #315, Volume #33Tue, 3 Apr 01 09:13:03 EDT
Contents:
Something like Install Shield for Linux? (mlw)
Re: AMD is to Intel as "What OS" is to Windows? ("gbp")
Re: What is user friendly? (Roberto Alsina)
Re: Communism (Roberto Alsina)
Re: Communism (Roberto Alsina)
Re: Richard Stallman what a tosser, and lies about free software (Jeffrey Siegal)
Re: Communism (Roberto Alsina)
Re: Communism (Roberto Alsina)
Re: Communism (Roberto Alsina)
Re: Communism (Roberto Alsina)
Re: Communism (Roberto Alsina)
Re: Hey, JS PL was Re: Microsoft abandoning USB? ("JS PL")
Re: Richard Stallman what a tosser, and lies about free software (Isaac)
Re: Communism (Roberto Alsina)
Re: Communism (Roberto Alsina)
Re: Richard Stallman what a tosser, and lies about free software (Isaac)
From: mlw [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Something like Install Shield for Linux?
Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2001 08:16:21 -0400
Yes, I know about "configure" and "make," but for binary distribution, is there
an open source installer? One, gasp, which is pretty and programmable, will
switch to root to perform the install? If so I haven't seen it.
While I think Install Shield is a miserable hack, and anyone that has used it
will fundamentally agree, it gets the job done.
So, if one were to write such a program, should it be able to handle RetHat and
Debian packages? Or would it be OK to simply use its own format? Self
extracting is a must.
Anyone have any ideas?
--
I'm not offering myself as an example; every life evolves by its own laws.
http://www.mohawksoft.com
--
From: "gbp" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.lang.java.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: AMD is to Intel as "What OS" is to Windows?
Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2001 12:13:34 GMT
I'm talking about the stuff that goes on on the OTHER side of the
call.
The side-effects are the root of many problems.
Any proper implementation of Lose32 requires that you implement the
side-effects.
Yeah thats right. But without the documentation how do you even
know all the side effects, or other undocumented features.
This isn't even a question of quality. You know theres got to be
some quicks in anything as large as an OS. Its just not realistic
to expect that there aren't any.
Lets drive this home with a totally made up example. Lets say that
a OS time routine is documented to return the time accurate to the
nearest millisecond. In reality it actually reurns to the nearest
tenth a millisecond. In microsoft's code database the code relating
to this is marked as (stable-- do not modify)-- its permently
locked. Some people at microsoft don't even know its documented
wrong. Some application programmers do, and they write code that
takes advantage of it. Some code unwittingly takes advantage of
this. See the problem
Unless you find every little quirk like this you can't have a stable
OS In fact, even Microsoft upgrades (remember windows 98) can be
unstable the first few months. If they have this much trouble
adding to their OS _with_ access to all the source, I think it
suggests how difficult it will be without any source...
--
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Roberto Alsina)
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,soc.singles
Subject: Re: What is user friendly?
Date: 3 Apr 2001 12:22:59 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Sun, 1 Apr 2001 18:54:46 +1000, green [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
"The Ghost In The Machine" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in
message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
In comp.os.linux.advocacy, Aaron R. Kulkis
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote
on Tue, 20 Mar 2001 16:43:06 -0500
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Quantum Leaper wrote:
"Aaron R. Kulkis" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
[snip for brevity]
Because Microsoft had shills writing for YEARS about the supposed
"problem" of the Unix command line being more difficult than the
DOS command line. [In reality, the Unix command line is easier
because
it is more consistantexample: all wildcard characters are handled
the same waynot only that, but you can do specificiations like
*sept* to specify all files with the string "sept" anywhere within
the name. DOS's pattern matching never did get sophisticated enough
to handle even this still relatively SIMPLE method of wildcard
matching.
Amazing I just tried your list test, not *sept* but with 'dir *in*' in
the
Window directory, and had a long list of files. Which if I read your
complant correctly, Windows should NOT have done correctly. Sorry
can't
test it with Dos6.22, since I don't have access to it.
So, what's you're saying,
Linux-Advocacy Digest #315
Linux-Advocacy Digest #315, Volume #32 Mon, 19 Feb 01 11:13:05 EST
Contents:
Re: Why Open Source better be careful - The Microsoft Un-American Activities
Committee ("Donn Miller")
Re: Information wants to be free, Revisited (Nick Condon)
Re: SSH vulnerabilities - still waiting [ was Interesting article ] (Peter da Silva)
Re: SSH vulnerabilities - still waiting [ was Interesting article ] (Peter da Silva)
Re: Check out this Windows bug ("Adam Warner")
Re: Information wants to be free, Revisited (Nick Condon)
SSH1 (Re: SSH vulnerabilities - still waiting [ was Interesting article ]) (Janne
Sinkkonen)
Re: Information wants to be free, Revisited (Nick Condon)
Re: It's just too easy ("Joseph T. Adams")
Re: Information wants to be free, Revisited (Salvador Peralta)
Re: Information wants to be free, Revisited (Nick Condon)
Re: Information wants to be free, Revisited (ZnU)
Re: Information wants to be free, Revisited (ZnU)
Re: Information wants to be free, Revisited (ZnU)
Re: MS to Enforce Registration - or Else ("Joseph T. Adams")
Re: SSH vulnerabilities - still waiting [ was Interesting article ]
([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Microsoft seeks government help to stop Linux (Ian Davey)
From: "Donn Miller" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Why Open Source better be careful - The Microsoft Un-American Activities
Committee
Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 10:12:30 -0500
"Matthew Gardiner" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
problems. Thank god their government has a bit of back bone and
actually does something about it, unlike the USA which is willing to
give out plenty of advice and willing to screw countries (like Cuba)
whilst the rest of the world moves on, and ignores the US's childish
antics.
See, that's what I could never understand about Americans and their sense of
politics. Republican followers are always bitching about how "immoral" the
Democrats are for advocating abortion rights. Meanwhile, it seems to me
that Republican presidents are always meddling into other countries' foreign
affairs, wanting to bomb the hell out of those nations' enemies. Casualties
result, and yet this is somehow supposed to be more "moral" than advocating
abortion. They're both abhorrent! Both are killing people. It's idiotic
how one party's followers sit there and piss and moan about how the other
one is so immoral, but yet their own party is so righteous and upright.
This is why I steer clear of politics.
== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News ==
http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World!
=== Over 80,000 Newsgroups = 16 Different Servers! ==
--
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Nick Condon)
Crossposted-To:
comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Information wants to be free, Revisited
Date: 19 Feb 2001 15:13:07 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Edward Rosten) wrote in 96r9v0$ik4$[EMAIL PROTECTED]:
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], "Nick Condon"
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Ziya Oz) wrote in
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Nick Condon wrote:
If he did indeed embellished it substantially, well, that's the price
of progress. Both in theory and historical fact, especially in art.
It only progress in software if he shares the source code with us.
Otherwise its just a black-box.
The overwhelming majority of software/application/GUI innovations have
come from proprietary sources.
Let me start with some obvious non-proprietary innovations that I can
come up with in 10 seconds:
TCP/IP (the Internet itself) SMTP (the Internet mail server) Usenet Web
servers Web browsers HTML Domain name system
Your turn. (Extra Credit - name 2 Microsoft innovations.)
Drop shadow mouse cursors!
Fading menus!
Don't forget Bob.
--
Nick
--
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Peter da Silva)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.security.ssh
Subject: Re: SSH vulnerabilities - still waiting [ was Interesting article ]
Date: 19 Feb 2001 15:00:13 GMT
In article ox9k6.55423$[EMAIL PROTECTED],
Chad Myers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
It's still just telnet, but it's encrypted. You're still just telneting
through a "secure" tunnel.
Port forwarding, public-key authnntication, one-time-key authentication,
X11 proxy, ... for most of my users the telnet functionality is just a
side effect, what they're most interested is using it as a virtual proxy.
However, given the numerous exploits and vulnerabilities available for
SSH in just the month of February this year, perhaps they should start
calling it "Not so secure shell" NSSSH.
Are you actually reading any of the responses to your messages? All this has
been covered in massiv
Linux-Advocacy Digest #315
Linux-Advocacy Digest #315, Volume #31Sun, 7 Jan 01 03:13:03 EST
Contents:
Re: Linux is crude and inconsistant. ("Kyle Jacobs")
Re: Linux is crude and inconsistant. ("Kyle Jacobs")
Re: Microsoft tentacles squirm deeper into software hosting (Tim Smith)
Re: Linux is crude and inconsistant. ("Kyle Jacobs")
Re: Linux is crude and inconsistant. ("Kyle Jacobs")
Re: Linux is crude and inconsistant. ("Kyle Jacobs")
Re: Linux is crude and inconsistant. ("Kyle Jacobs")
Re: Linux is crude and inconsistant. (J Sloan)
Re: Linux is crude and inconsistant. ("Kyle Jacobs")
Re: Linux is crude and inconsistant. ("Kyle Jacobs")
Re: Microsoft is 20-years BEHIND other OS vendors ("Kyle Jacobs")
Re: RPM Hell ("Tom Wilson")
Re: you dumb. and lazy. ("Kyle Jacobs")
Re: you dumb. and lazy. ("Kyle Jacobs")
Re: you dumb. and lazy. ("Kyle Jacobs")
Re: Nobody wants Linux because it destroys hard disks. ("Kyle Jacobs")
From: "Kyle Jacobs" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Linux is crude and inconsistant.
Date: Sun, 07 Jan 2001 06:41:50 GMT
Your lucky. Although the original poster WAS looking for trouble in this
post, he didn't have to go too far to find it.
These ARE issues in Mandrake 7.2
They ARE problematic for some users (not all).
But they don't have to be there.
"Pete Goodwin" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message
news:YPB56.14559$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I received my Mandrake update CD this week and decided to give
Mandrake 7.2 another whirl, partly because I am bored at the moment
and partly because I was hoping that this one was the big winner.
Mandrake 7.2 was certainly a big winner for me.
Let's start with the Mandrake install process, which seems to have a
mind of it's own. Feed it an "expert" parameter, which is supposed to
prevent hardware detection, and it still tries to detect hardware.
It never prompts me to make a boot/rescue disk and insists on mis
configuring my Logitech wheel mouse.
My Logitech Wheel mouse works fine.
In addition it thinks my Matrox
G200 card has 4 meg, unless I select the SD version and then it asks
me how much memory the card has, which is 8 meg.
God help you if you choose not to set up your internet connection when
you are prompted because ppp doesn't get installed (modem connection).
Then install ppp afterwards? Even I managed to figure that one out!
Now we must change the default mouse to Microsoft intellimouse even
though it is a Logitech mouse. Warning, if you choose Logitech your
mouse will NEVER work in Linux again and there is no way out of it
unless you happen to be good at console commands and editing config
files. Also I had to change the refresh rate and other display
settings including fonts.
Funny, my system is set to Logitech mouse and it works just fine.
Speaking of fonts, Mandrake includes a nifty tool to find all of your
Windows fonts and and make them available to Linux. It finds them all
right but they don't appear as selections in any programs including
DrakFont if you launch it a second time after adding them.
Fonts worked for me.
On to Enlightenment which seems unable to even save the settings of an
Eterm. Change the font, save current settings close, relaunch and it
goes back to default every time. This is with root or user access and
does not matter.
Try a different terminal then.
How about the Wheel mouse which sometimes works and other times
doesn't? Usually opening and closing Netscape or whatever the
offending application happens to be at the moment, makes it work again
until the next time it doesn't work again.
Again, I don't see these problems.
Why can't XMMS remember it's settings like song directories?
True.
How about no sound out of the digital port on the SBLive card?
My sound still is supported.
Why doesn't Knode remember it's settings like Window size?
It does if you tell it to. Settings - Save Options seems to work.
Why does Mandrake insist on changing my mouse settings every time it
boots up? I had to turn off hardware detection for that one.
Not noticed that one.
I screwed with Samba till I was sick of dancing and could not make it
work.
I got my remote machine to work just fine. It does take a bit of editing
of
the configuration file.
--
Pete, running KDE2 on Linux Mandrake 7.2
--
From: "Kyle Jacobs" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: alt.linux.sux
Subject: Re: Linux is crude and inconsistant.
Date: Sun, 07 Jan 2001 06:48:27 GMT
And has the sum administrative capability of a "magic wand".
It's just another Linux program that goes to the stereotype that powerful
must c
Linux-Advocacy Digest #315
Linux-Advocacy Digest #315, Volume #30 Sun, 19 Nov 00 21:13:03 EST
Contents:
Re: Of course, there is a down side... (Charlie Ebert)
Re: I WANT WIN2k drivers! (Charlie Ebert)
MS Office goes SUBSCRIPTION! (Charlie Ebert)
Re: The Sixth Sense (mark)
Re: Uptime -- where is NT? (mark)
Re: Of course, there is a down side... (Mike Byrns)
Re: Linux trips over itself once again (mark)
Re: Of course, there is a down side... (The Ghost In The Machine)
Re: OT: Could someone explain C++ phobia in Linux? (Donovan Rebbechi)
Re: OT: Could someone explain C++ phobia in Linux? (Donovan Rebbechi)
Re: I WANT WIN2k drivers! (Mike Byrns)
Re: OS stability (The Ghost In The Machine)
Re: Uptime -- where is NT? (sfcybear)
Re: I have had it up to *here* with Linux (Topaz Crow)
Re: wahoo! I'm running now (Topaz Crow)
Re: OS stability (The Ghost In The Machine)
Re: Of course, there is a down side... ("Christopher Smith")
Re: The Sixth Sense ("Christopher Smith")
Re: MS Office goes SUBSCRIPTION! ("Erik Funkenbusch")
Re: Linux Can't find PC133 memory??? (Topaz Crow)
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Charlie Ebert)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Of course, there is a down side...
Reply-To: Charlie Ebert:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 23:54:07 GMT
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED],
The Ghost In The Machine wrote:
(e) Microsoft has less than no credibility in the server world,
while UNIX and Linux have proven themselves admirably.
I wouldn't say that; IIS is in fact used in a number of places.
However, it's far from clear that IIS is as powerful as
Apache, although it may depend on the application.
A few words about IIS.
{http://../../../../command.com}
Hope this helps!
Charlie
--
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Charlie Ebert)
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: I WANT WIN2k drivers!
Reply-To: Charlie Ebert:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 23:55:39 GMT
In article 8usc4h$72t$[EMAIL PROTECTED], steve erntner wrote:
how hard is it to get drivers for aztech sound cards???
all i want are win2k drivers for em...but do they exist? no
im about to break down and cry
Your IN LUCK! There is a W2K JEDI MASTER BY THE NAME OF {TODD} ON
THIS NEWSGROUP! HE CLAIMS ALL W2K SYSTEMS SUPPORT EVERYTHING!
Hope this helps!
Charlie
--
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Charlie Ebert)
Subject: MS Office goes SUBSCRIPTION!
Reply-To: Charlie Ebert:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 00:03:22 GMT
The END commeth NEARETH WINTROLLS!
Microsoft has announced subscription based service
for MS Office 10.
http://www.microsoft.com/PressPass/press/2000/Nov00/SubscriptionPR.asp
BTW, I cut this from my Netscape navigator and pasted it in SLRN
in a terminal box.
Love
Charlie
--
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mark)
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: The Sixth Sense
Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 23:51:22 +
In article 8v9ft5$n26$[EMAIL PROTECTED], Christopher Smith wrote:
"Les Mikesell" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message
news:7bmR5.21465$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
"Christopher Smith" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message
news:8v4351$9rn$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
The point
of a link is that all programs can use them.
The point of a shortcut is that anything making use of the shell's features
can use them, and the extra features they offer.
That's where I think microsoft missed a major opportunity to adopt some
really useful functionality into Dos7/Win95/98. I was hoping that the
shortcut would act like a symlink, but it seems to be a way of cloning
icons rather than anything really useful. It's a great shame, but I really
much prefer the unix approach to symlinking.
Still, there'll be another version of windows along soon which might fix
this.
Cheers,
Mark
--
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mark)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.os2.advocacy,alt.destroy.microsoft
Subject: Re: Uptime -- where is NT?
Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 23:54:04 +
In article VXVR5.9154$[EMAIL PROTECTED], Erik Funkenbusch wrote:
"sfcybear" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message
news:8v8v02$hpi$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
Ahhh, I love it! Deffending NT by saying there is something wrong with
it. And I would say, that retruning a random uptime is something wrong.
Well, no Linux or Solaris server will *EVER* be #1 in a complete list. In
fact, In about a year, I'd expect no Solaris or Linux servers to be on the
top 50 list. Since these servers also have a similar bug which will prevent
them from ever displaying an uptime of larger than 497 days.
Interesting - so what do you expect to be in that list? Not
Linux-Advocacy Digest #315
Linux-Advocacy Digest #315, Volume #29 Tue, 26 Sep 00 12:13:04 EDT
Contents:
Re: News client ("Martin Svensson")
Re: Because programmers hate users (Re: Why are Linux UIs so crappy?) (Roberto
Alsina)
Re: Because programmers hate users (Re: Why are Linux UIs so crappy?) (Roberto
Alsina)
Re: How low can they go...? (Roberto Alsina)
Re: Why are Linux UIs so crappy? (Roberto Alsina)
Re: Id Software developer prefers OS X to Linux, NT ("PistolGrip")
Re: [OT] Public v. Private Schools ("S.R.Ott")
Re: Id Software developer prefers OS X to Linux, NT (Jim Naylor)
Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (was: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split ...) (Donovan
Rebbechi)
Re: End-User Alternative to Windows ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (was: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split ...) ("Joe R.")
Re: Id Software developer prefers OS X to Linux, NT (dc)
Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (was: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split ...) ("JS/PL")
Re: Space Shuttle uses Windows software almost exclusively (dc)
The definition of a computer. ("Matt")
Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (was: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split ...) ("Joe R.")
Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (was: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split ...) ("JS/PL")
Re: SmartShip needs multiple platforms (Was: Am I the only one (Tony Tribelli)
Re: SmartShip needs multiple platforms (Was: Am I the only one (Tony Tribelli)
From: "Martin Svensson" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: News client
Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 12:56:05 +0100
Hi!
I just installed PAN and it's working really good. It's a heck of alot
faster than netscape..
Thanks for your reply!
/Martin
For the console: SLRN For X11 (GNOME): Pan
Have a look at freshmeat.net for download URLs and such.
mawa
--
From: Roberto Alsina [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Because programmers hate users (Re: Why are Linux UIs so crappy?)
Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 09:21:29 -0300
El lun, 25 sep 2000, Richard escribió:
Roberto Alsina wrote:
El lun, 25 sep 2000, Richard escribió:
I'm not particularly slow, I just don't have a lab full of
researchers busily implementing my architecture and
supporting me financially, intellectually and emotionally.
Pay them.
Gee, if *I* need financial support that tends to imply
that I'm not in a position to give it, does it not?
Ever heard of venture capital?
Or act like an even remotely nice guy on the 'net
and get volunteers. On the other hand, you act petulant,
you get no help. Your choice.
I didn't ask for help and I never expected any. Moral support
would've been nice and I got some. Mostly, I came to confirm
my knowledge of Linuxers as infantile and for a while there
I was pleasantly surprised.
If you don't need the help, don't whine about not having help.
As for acting "like an even remotely nice guy", I suppose
I should do this because COLA is so widely renowned for
being a pleasant and friendly group, especially to advocates
of OSes not Unix, right?
No, you should do it because it's the right thing to do.
If you don't think it's the right thing to do, don't whine if others are not
nice.
Now, this is weird, but I feel that the following 100 lines or so I have
already replied to! So I'll snip them.
[snip]
[snip strangely self-aggrandazing rant]
It was wasn't it? Oh, well, that's what you get after you read a paper
on early christian demonology. Doesn't hurt that I think the fake
humility routine is idiotic and that self-aggrandization is a role-
playing game.
Well, it's a free newsgroup.
And then snip some more.
--
Roberto Alsina
--
From: Roberto Alsina [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Because programmers hate users (Re: Why are Linux UIs so crappy?)
Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 09:24:36 -0300
El lun, 25 sep 2000, T. Max Devlin escribió:
Said Roberto Alsina in comp.os.linux.advocacy;
[...]
Come back when you don't feel a need to curtail others'
freedom of speech. Whether thay have something to gain from
it is their problem, not yours.
No, its ours.
You mean yours and Richard's?
Quit massaging your ego in public, Roberto; you're
starting to look pitiful.
Well, if the ego has a cramp, I say let's massage it.
--
Roberto Alsina
--
From: Roberto Alsina [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To:
comp.lang.java.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: How low can they go...?
Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 09:28:22 -0300
El lun, 25 sep 2000, [EMAIL PROTECTED] escribió:
On Mon, 25 Sep 2000 22:14:28 -0300, Roberto Alsina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
El lun, 25 sep 2000, Simon Cooke escribió:
"Roberto Alsina" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message
news:00092518190902.22210@pc03...
El lun, 25 sep 2000, The Ghost In The Machine escribió:
In co
Linux-Advocacy Digest #315
Linux-Advocacy Digest #315, Volume #27 Sat, 24 Jun 00 18:13:04 EDT
Contents:
Re: Where is Linux going? (Leslie Mikesell)
Re: Linux Upgrades (Mandrake 7.0 to 7.1) (Gary Hallock)
MCSE :-) (was: Lost Cause Theater) (Jens =?iso-8859-1?Q?Pr=FCfer?=)
Re: Lost Cause Theater!!! (Jens =?iso-8859-1?Q?Pr=FCfer?=)
Re: Richard Stallman's Politics (was: Linux is awesome! (Stefaan A Eeckels)
Re: Dealing with filesystem volumes (Peter Ammon)
Re: Why Jeff Szarka Has Zero Credibility When He Claims Problems With Linux
([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Linux Upgrades (Mandrake 7.0 to 7.1) (Pete Goodwin)
Re: The MEDIA this year! ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Richard Stallman's Politics (was: Linux is awesome! (Joseph C Fineman)
Re: Lost Cause Theater!!! ("xxx")
Re: Anti-Human Libertarians Oppose Microsoft Antitrust Action (was: Microsoft Ruling
Too Harsh
Re: Help setting up a home network.
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Leslie Mikesell)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Where is Linux going?
Date: 24 Jun 2000 15:29:09 -0500
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED],
Goofy root [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
By the end of this year Corel will have the largest installed base of
Linux workstations. The reason is simple. Corel's office suite works
great and there is no other vendor that offers an equivalent product.
No it isn't simple. If Corel does anything to make it difficult
to use their applications on other Linux distributions they
will commit suicide. Microsoft got away with bundling the
OS and apps for a while because there was no real competition.
This can't be repeated with Linux, certainly not at this point
where more popular competing distributions already exist.
Corel workgroups will replace Windows workgroups throughout most
organizations because of cost. Managers worldwide will save corporations
hundreds of millions of dollars by installing Corel workgroups that
access NT applications via thin clients and workgroups that use
WordPerfect 2000. Besides the move by corporations, the US Education
system will use Corel because of cost.
MS isn't going to go away. Linux does need apps, but you also
have to take Sun giving away StarOffice into account. Anyone
choosing a workable platform strictly on cost will probably
go with whichever distribution installs with the least trouble
and includes *no* commercial apps so it can be cloned with no
license fees. Then they will drop in StarOffice or whatever
currently looks best in the KDE or Gnome works.
RedHat and others Linux
distributions won't be considered because they don't have the
Applications.
Not bundling commecial apps is a good thing. Corel will have to
compete in terms of no-license distributions if they want
market share. And if they want to sell apps they will have
to make them install cleanly on competing distributions.
Les Mikesell
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
--
Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 16:36:33 -0400
From: Gary Hallock [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Linux Upgrades (Mandrake 7.0 to 7.1)
Pete Goodwin wrote:
I have heard that upgrading Linux is a bit of a nightmare, so it was with
some tripidation I started the upgrade of Linux Mandrake 7.0 to 7.1.
The upgrade itself went relatively smoothly, apart from two packages that
had errors. They didn't look like important, so I continued.
The 'grub' bootstrap package duplicated the LILO entries and added new
entries. I tried to reduce the entries and found the first wart in the
installation program. I found every time I selected one entry, I kept
getting a dialog for another entry. Anyway, I let that be and tried a
reboot.
The first reboot died as initrd was missing; so I tried 'fallback'
and got the system to boot Linux. I edited the menu.lst file for grub and
tidied up the entries to my liking. Grub does have a means to edit the
entries on boot... except it doesn't seem to save the edits made!
Once booted, I found myself running Linux Mandrake 7.1. I logged in, and
started up X, and found the devastation made by the installer!
i) Half the icons/menu entries I originally had were gone. Entries like
KEdit for instance.
ii) Log/Text files were assigned to StarOffice! Huh!
iii) On shutdown a new interface (ippp0) generated a Failed message.
iv) Devices assigned icons were duplicated; the DOS disk was renamed and
another icon added. I thought this kind of bug was specifically a Windows
one!
This is very disappointing. It's not a disaster, but no upgrade should
'remove' menu entries/icons, or reassign file type to different
applications! If this is what I've found so far, I wonder what else is
lurking!
Pete
When you say it removed menu entries, are you talking about things that you
had put in the menu or on the desktop on your non-root id? Or are you
talking about default entries? The ones on your personal id should never
b
Linux-Advocacy Digest #315
Linux-Advocacy Digest #315, Volume #26 Sun, 30 Apr 00 04:13:08 EDT
Contents:
Re: What else is hidden in MS code??? ("Erik Funkenbusch")
Re: Web page rendering Linux (KDE) vs. windows 2000 ("Jim Ross")
Re: Web page rendering Linux (KDE) vs. windows 2000 ("Jim Ross")
Re: Advocay off the Net. (Matthew J Zukowski)
Re: Disabled lady needs Linux Corel (Achim Nolcken Lohse)
Re: Disabled lady needs Linux Corel (Achim Nolcken Lohse)
Re: Disabled lady needs Linux Corel (Achim Nolcken Lohse)
Re: Disabled lady needs Linux Corel (Achim Nolcken Lohse)
Re: Disabled lady needs Linux Corel (Achim Nolcken Lohse)
Re: Linux KILLED MY SYSEM!!! IT SU ("Jim Ross")
From: "Erik Funkenbusch" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: What else is hidden in MS code???
Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2000 01:54:12 -0500
R.E.Ballard ( Rex Ballard ) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message
news:8eg3u3$1pl$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
All wire-tap technologies are also
protected under the trade secrets
act, and these have even stiffer penalties.
Uh huh. And this is as accurate as
everything else you've posted here?
Including the "fact" that Excel 95 needs
Direct3D to be installed
What I said was that an Easter Egg in Windows 95 requires
3D software provided by Microsoft. You merely assumed that
I was referring to Direct3D. It could have been VRML or OpenGL,
but the point is that it wasn't part of the standard software
you would expect to see in Excel.
Untrue. You said the easter egg in Excel (not Windows) 95 Required "the
Microsoft 3D package". Microsoft had no 3D API for Windows 95 when Excel 95
was released. You stated that this had to be installed to even load Excel
95. You cannot back up any of these statements.
Often, technology exists and evolves before it as "Trademarked".
VRML as emerging as a popular Open Systems standard for 3D animation,
and was even being implemented in Open Source as wall as by Silicon
Graphics.
Microsoft didn't have a VRML implementation until well into 1996 when they
released IE3. Microsoft didn't have an OpenGL implementation on Windows 95
until 96 either.
The key is that whatever 3D generator was being used was being
included by Microsoft. This included a "duke nukem" style maze,
complete with walls, trapdoors, a bridge, and pictures of the
creators on the walls. I don't remember all the details, but
I was astonished that such a complex "game" was hiding inside
Windows.
You seem to be confused. We were talking about the flight simulator in
Excel 95. I believe the 3D maze game you are talking about was in Excel 5,
which was a 16 bit app for Windows 3.1.
Since that time, these listings have been removed from the
net. It seems that Microsoft was able to convince a federal
prosecutor that publication of these "hacker tools" would
encourage others to create really destructive hacks.
Oh, as if a federal judge could prevent such listings from being shown on
the internet. A similar order is in place for DeCSS, yet this continues to
be posted.
Even today, both Microsoft and Verisign limit their liability,
offering to assist in identifying perpetrators, but not accepting
liability damage caused by fraudulently registered "authors".
Which has never happened.
[re being tapped]
ntvdm is the DOS emulator (NT Virtual DOS Machine).
If it's eating up that
much time, you've got a DOS task running somewhere.
This is not something
that happens on any kind of default installation of NT.
Perfect - you can launch a start/b command and let MSDOS
do the "dirty work".
Dream on.
I had killed all MS-DOS windows and known started processes.
It seems that it just "started itself", each time I rebooted
the machine.
There are any number of free process viewer applications out there that you
can use to identify the path name of any executable for a process.
Are you certain you
did not install something like
distributed.net RC5 cracking software?
Nope. What other types of software can you think of that
would run ntvdm without leaving a tell-tale signature?
It might have been MQSeries, but I didn't have any active
channels. I set the service startup to manual. Still
have ntvdm gobbling aay.
Are you sure that your support people didn't install such a process. It's
common for tech support people to install such programs on machines
throughout the company in order to give themselves an advantage in winning
the prize offered for being the one to crack RC5. This is similar to the
guy that stole millions of hours of CPU time in trying to find the largest
quantity of pi.
My primary activity is that I'm using
Netscape to compose a document
in a
