Re: IBM Workshop with RMS and T'so in Tel-Aviv and Haifa
On 2002-12-17, Muli Ben-Yehuda wrote: IBM is organizing a GNU/Linux Free Software and Open Source event, to take place on January 8th at Tel Aviv University and January 9th at IBM's Haifa Research Labs[1]. Speaking will be RMS (yesm, yes, *that* Stallman) and Theodore T'so, one of the kernel developers. Details: http://www-5.ibm.com/il/news/events/gnulinux/ Does anyone have more details about the second day in Haifa? The ibm page mentions: http://www.haifa.il.ibm.com/workshops/gnulinux2003 but that link doesn't work = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: openoffice
On Wed, 18 Dec 2002, Jonathan Ben Avraham wrote: On Wed, 18 Dec 2002, Amir Tal wrote: Hi Amir, See my comments below. I suggest that you move this discussion off linux.org.il and onto [EMAIL PROTECTED] (See http://www.openoffice.org.il for majordomo registration instructions). installed OO from binary (ver. 1.0.1), and launching the application loads it with no fonts in the UI (empty menu's, empty splash etc...) Use the spadmin program in the SO program directory to register the fonts. Doesn't OpenOffice recognize X fonts without the need for spadmin? (that should be considered a minor bug for the debian package, I figure) -- Tzafrir Cohen mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.technion.ac.il/~tzafrir = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: IBM Workshop with RMS and T'so in Tel-Aviv and Haifa
Would that be the best thing happened to open source in israel in 8 years? Or would RMS just use it again to show how much he dislike israel? Ely Levy System group Hebrew University Jerusalem Israel On Tue, 17 Dec 2002, Muli Ben-Yehuda wrote: IBM is organizing a GNU/Linux Free Software and Open Source event, to take place on January 8th at Tel Aviv University and January 9th at IBM's Haifa Research Labs[1]. Speaking will be RMS (yesm, yes, *that* Stallman) and Theodore T'so, one of the kernel developers. Details: http://www-5.ibm.com/il/news/events/gnulinux/ Nana story: http://net.nana.co.il/Article/?ArticleID=49331 [1] I work here, if you attend, don't forget to say hi! -- Muli Ben-Yehuda The speed of light really is too slow nowdays. -- Alan Cox = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: IBM Workshop with RMS and T'so in Tel-Aviv and Haifa
Actually, if you read RMS's columns on his website, you'll see that he does not dislike Israel at all. His opinions are more or less equivalent to mainstream Israeli leftist opinions, he's definitely not anti Israeli. (read here for example: http://www.stallman.org/good-fences.html) -Original Message- From: Ely Levy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 12:27 PM To: Muli Ben-Yehuda Cc: Marc's List Subject: Re: IBM Workshop with RMS and T'so in Tel-Aviv and Haifa Would that be the best thing happened to open source in israel in 8 years? Or would RMS just use it again to show how much he dislike israel? Ely Levy System group Hebrew University Jerusalem Israel On Tue, 17 Dec 2002, Muli Ben-Yehuda wrote: IBM is organizing a GNU/Linux Free Software and Open Source event, to take place on January 8th at Tel Aviv University and January 9th at IBM's Haifa Research Labs[1]. Speaking will be RMS (yesm, yes, *that* Stallman) and Theodore T'so, one of the kernel developers. Details: http://www-5.ibm.com/il/news/events/gnulinux/ Nana story: http://net.nana.co.il/Article/?ArticleID=49331 [1] I work here, if you attend, don't forget to say hi! -- Muli Ben-Yehuda The speed of light really is too slow nowdays. -- Alan Cox = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: IBM Workshop with RMS and T'so in Tel-Aviv and Haifa
well I guess it changed a bit from the intreview of his. too bad I didn't keep the link it was long ago. but I remember something about saying that if israel would invite him he would never come here cause we act like SA Ely Levy System group Hebrew University Jerusalem Israel On Wed, 18 Dec 2002, Dvir Volk wrote: Actually, if you read RMS's columns on his website, you'll see that he does not dislike Israel at all. His opinions are more or less equivalent to mainstream Israeli leftist opinions, he's definitely not anti Israeli. (read here for example: http://www.stallman.org/good-fences.html) -Original Message- From: Ely Levy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 12:27 PM To: Muli Ben-Yehuda Cc: Marc's List Subject: Re: IBM Workshop with RMS and T'so in Tel-Aviv and Haifa Would that be the best thing happened to open source in israel in 8 years? Or would RMS just use it again to show how much he dislike israel? Ely Levy System group Hebrew University Jerusalem Israel On Tue, 17 Dec 2002, Muli Ben-Yehuda wrote: IBM is organizing a GNU/Linux Free Software and Open Source event, to take place on January 8th at Tel Aviv University and January 9th at IBM's Haifa Research Labs[1]. Speaking will be RMS (yesm, yes, *that* Stallman) and Theodore T'so, one of the kernel developers. Details: http://www-5.ibm.com/il/news/events/gnulinux/ Nana story: http://net.nana.co.il/Article/?ArticleID=49331 [1] I work here, if you attend, don't forget to say hi! -- Muli Ben-Yehuda The speed of light really is too slow nowdays. -- Alan Cox = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: IBM Workshop with RMS and T'so in Tel-Aviv and Haifa
On Wed, 2002-12-18 at 12:38, Dvir Volk wrote: Actually, if you read RMS's columns on his website, you'll see that he does not dislike Israel at all. His opinions are more or less equivalent to mainstream Israeli leftist opinions, he's definitely not anti Israeli. (read here for example: http://www.stallman.org/good-fences.html) Actually, someone mentioned to me that he actually has relatives leaving in Raanana. I have no idea if this is true or not. Gilad. -- Gilad Ben-Yossef [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://benyossef.com When you walk up to the guard on a train and ask if it is the Swansea train, you do not expect the reply `I don't know, I'm about to phone the driver to find out where we are going'. -- Alan Cox, the diary. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: IBM Workshop with RMS and T'so in Tel-Aviv and Haifa
On Wed, 2002-12-18 at 12:47, Ely Levy wrote: well I guess it changed a bit from the intreview of his. too bad I didn't keep the link it was long ago. but I remember something about saying that if israel would invite him he would never come here cause we act like SA This already happened to me several times, enough that I'll remark on it, that certain people (sometime from the media) represent RMS, his views and behavior, in very different ways then my own personal first hand impressions of him. Now, it can only be accepted that some difference of views will exists, but this goes beyond this. Also, although I admire many things that RMS does or the way he thinks I do not idolize him. I guess the best advice is - don't listen to other people impression, talk to the man in person (or read his own words) and judge for yourselves. Having said, my personal opinion is that he is a very very smart person which has a very far reaching vision. The problem is that because he sees things so clearly he has a hard time explaining to people how he gets to his conclusions, which are really very very logical on their own, and this makes his views seems absurd at the time. However, 5 years after the fact you see exactly what he was thinking of and then you say: Hey?! what do you know? he was right after all After this happens a couple of times you begin to appreciate him much more. If you want to have a taste of what I've just written, go look in these two links and note the dates in which they we're published/happened: http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/right-to-read.html http://www.freesklyarov.org/ Also ask yourself what had been the result of the latter if RMS and like minded people haven't been rising up to support our rights. For me, it was a eye opener. Gilad. -- Gilad Ben-Yossef [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://benyossef.com When you walk up to the guard on a train and ask if it is the Swansea train, you do not expect the reply `I don't know, I'm about to phone the driver to find out where we are going'. -- Alan Cox, the diary. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: IBM Workshop with RMS and T'so in Tel-Aviv and Haifa
It was HIS words that what interview means:P he had some good ideas and he had some bad ones. I also remember some people from gcc getting upset on him Some gnome people as well. and reading what he said and what people said in general doesn't leave me with too good impression. anyhow no one is perfect. Ely Levy System group Hebrew University Jerusalem Israel On 18 Dec 2002, Gilad Ben-Yossef wrote: On Wed, 2002-12-18 at 12:47, Ely Levy wrote: well I guess it changed a bit from the intreview of his. too bad I didn't keep the link it was long ago. but I remember something about saying that if israel would invite him he would never come here cause we act like SA This already happened to me several times, enough that I'll remark on it, that certain people (sometime from the media) represent RMS, his views and behavior, in very different ways then my own personal first hand impressions of him. Now, it can only be accepted that some difference of views will exists, but this goes beyond this. Also, although I admire many things that RMS does or the way he thinks I do not idolize him. I guess the best advice is - don't listen to other people impression, talk to the man in person (or read his own words) and judge for yourselves. Having said, my personal opinion is that he is a very very smart person which has a very far reaching vision. The problem is that because he sees things so clearly he has a hard time explaining to people how he gets to his conclusions, which are really very very logical on their own, and this makes his views seems absurd at the time. However, 5 years after the fact you see exactly what he was thinking of and then you say: Hey?! what do you know? he was right after all After this happens a couple of times you begin to appreciate him much more. If you want to have a taste of what I've just written, go look in these two links and note the dates in which they we're published/happened: http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/right-to-read.html http://www.freesklyarov.org/ Also ask yourself what had been the result of the latter if RMS and like minded people haven't been rising up to support our rights. For me, it was a eye opener. Gilad. -- Gilad Ben-Yossef [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://benyossef.com When you walk up to the guard on a train and ask if it is the Swansea train, you do not expect the reply `I don't know, I'm about to phone the driver to find out where we are going'. -- Alan Cox, the diary. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: IBM Workshop with RMS and T'so in Tel-Aviv and Haifa
On Wed, 2002-12-18 at 13:40, Ely Levy wrote: It was HIS words that what interview means:P As someone who has been interviewed by media a couple of times for various reasons I can tell you that there is a difference, sometimes quite big and sometime very small, between what you actually say and what gets printed as your words. Sometime what's *not* quoted of what you said changes the whole picture. he had some good ideas and he had some bad ones. I also remember some people from gcc getting upset on him Some gnome people as well. and reading what he said and what people said in general doesn't leave me with too good impression. Oh, he is a difficult person to deal with, no doubt about that. I was just saying that a lot of the stuff I had *about* him from other people sounds much worse then my impression when encountered him in person, in rela life or by reading his own words (as opposed to an interview). anyhow no one is perfect. That's surly true ;-) Gilad. -- Gilad Ben-Yossef [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://benyossef.com When you walk up to the guard on a train and ask if it is the Swansea train, you do not expect the reply `I don't know, I'm about to phone the driver to find out where we are going'. -- Alan Cox, the diary. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: IBM Workshop with RMS and T'so in Tel-Aviv and Haifa
Ely Levy [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: but I remember something about saying that if israel would invite him he would never come here cause we act like SA This must be pretty recent. He was in Israel a few years ago, and refrained from saying anything related to Israel's policies in my presence. AFAIK, he is Jewish, and IIRC he has some family here. This last sentence is bli neder, we can ask him in person. -- Oleg Goldshmidt | [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: IBM Workshop with RMS and T'so in Tel-Aviv and Haifa
Shaul Karl [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Tue, Dec 17, 2002 at 08:25:16PM +0200, Muli Ben-Yehuda wrote: IBM is organizing a GNU/Linux Free Software and Open Source event, to take place on January 8th at Tel Aviv University and January 9th at IBM's Haifa Research Labs[1]. The link to the IBM site you gave below doesn't mention January 9th. Looks like that will be more closed event. Or did I missed something? I have no idea where my previous mail disappeared to. The IBM page does mention the Haifa event on Jan 9, and so does the registration page linked from there. The Haifa event will be longer, and more technical. AFAIK it will be open to those who register. I hope to be able to provide more details and the agenda tomorrow (or maybe the link on the IBM page will be activated). Please be patient. -- Oleg Goldshmidt | [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: IBM Workshop with RMS and T'so in Tel-Aviv and Haifa
Apparently this was sent to [EMAIL PROTECTED] only Shaul Karl [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The link to the IBM site you gave below doesn't mention January 9th. Looks like that will be more closed event. Or did I missed something? Yes, the site does mention 9/1 at IBM, and so does the registration form you are invited to fill out. See the bottom of the page. Muli and I (we both work at IBM in Haifa) will try and find out whether the IBM event will be different, and whether it will be closed and to what extent. Note that there is a 1-800 phone # on that page, too. -- Oleg Goldshmidt | [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
GNOME 2: How to place the OK Button on the Right and the CancelButton on the Left
Hi good people! When I use GNOME 2, the most annoying thing is that in OK/Cancel dialogs the OK button is placed on the right and the Cancel button is placed on the left. Like this: [Cancel] [OK] However, from Windows, KDE and GNOME 1.x I am already used for them to be the other way around: [OK] [Cancel] (look for instance at gnome-terminal's File - New Profile option) Is there any way I can change them to their normal placement? This seems to affect all Gtk+ 2.0 applications such as GIMP 1.3.x. Regards, Shlomi Fish -- Shlomi Fish[EMAIL PROTECTED] Home Page: http://t2.technion.ac.il/~shlomif/ Home E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Let's suppose you have a table with 2^n cups... Wait a second - is n a natural number? = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
A Linux/Win Machine question
I was wondering whether anyone here had stumbled upon the following case: I have a laptop, which will run WinXP and Linux. I want that a very large portion of the hard disk will be accessible to RW by both the systems and that this partition will be encrypted (CRYPTO-FREAK!). FAT32 would answer the first requirement, but I am not sure whether I can crypt it and access it through both systems. Thanks, Orr Dunkelman, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Man is the only animal that blushes--or has reason to. -- Mark Twain Spammers: http://vipe.technion.ac.il/~orrd/spam.html = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: IBM Workshop with RMS and T'so in Tel-Aviv and Haifa
On 18 Dec 2002, Oleg Goldshmidt wrote: Ely Levy [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: but I remember something about saying that if israel would invite him he would never come here cause we act like SA This must be pretty recent. He was in Israel a few years ago, and refrained from saying anything related to Israel's policies in my presence. AFAIK, he is Jewish, and IIRC he has some family here. This last sentence is bli neder, we can ask him in person. RMS is Jewish or at least his mother is. Check: http://www.oreilly.com/openbook/freedom/ch03.html (search for jew). In http://www.gnu.org/fun/jokes/shit-happens.html (search for my own view) he mentions that he is an Atheist. Still, the way I see it you can be a Jewish Atheist, because Judaism is essentially a peopleship, that the Jewish religion is a small (and unnecessary) part of. Regards, Shlomi Fish -- Oleg Goldshmidt | [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Shlomi Fish[EMAIL PROTECTED] Home Page: http://t2.technion.ac.il/~shlomif/ Home E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Let's suppose you have a table with 2^n cups... Wait a second - is n a natural number? = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: RMS, T'so and the LUG
sure lets act like spinless people in order to please the great RMS, how about changing it to RFC (RMS fun club?) if it's for his honor great, if it's to please him so he would agree to see us btw oleg the part about we going to contact RMS so don't overflow him and then saying that if only 10 people can you meet him then all the rest should wait for whatever, it sounds kind of bad. it's like saying his mine his mine anyone who want to talk to him should go through me. well just noting I guess if anyone has the right to do that it's you and mulix being the celebraty of our LUG;) oh and one last idea, How about asking him for an interview for whatsup? something in slashdot style where people send questions and he get to answer the few more asked ones. I think that would make a lot of people happy. Ely Levy System group Hebrew University Jerusalem Israel On Wed, 18 Dec 2002, Shlomi Fish wrote: On Wed, 18 Dec 2002, Ira Abramov wrote: Quoting Shlomi Fish, from the post of Wed, 18 Dec: last time (I think) we decided both ways were acceptable and fine. we Are you suggesting we change the banner to read Israeli GNU/Linux Users?Temporarily or Permanently? Anyway, I like Israeli Group of Linux Users better. as I said, both are fine. last time RMS was invited to lecture for a LUG that didn't call itself GNU/Linux he ended up lecturing TO them and almost conditioned his lecture on them changing the name... I think it would be nice to change, if only for a month. Hmm.. I don't think I agree with you. We can introduce ourselves as the Israeli Group of Linux Users/Israeli GNU/Linux Users - your preference. But I don't see changing the logo as a step that I would like to take. I don't have objections of calling a Linux system a Linux system and not a GNU/Linux system. There is no point in temporarily changing our name just to satisfy Stallman's whims. (it's not a very honest action if you ask me) Judaism is essentially a peopleship, that the Jewish religion is a small (and unnecessary) part of. ahem, don't confuse religion with politics and theism (belief systems where metaphysics are involved) with kfia datit. Definitions of Nation/people/religion and the Jewish questions are problematic and POV-dependant, and the philosophical discussions are very interesting but off topic here. Agreeed. however do yourself a favor, even if you DO thinksome = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: IBM Workshop with RMS and T'so in Tel-Aviv and Haifa
shhh first politics and now religion? this mailing list been a great linux place cause we avoided this kind of subjects no good comes out of them. let it keep for other lists:) Ely Levy System group Hebrew University Jerusalem Israel On Wed, 18 Dec 2002, Uri Bruck wrote: On Wed, 18 Dec 2002, Nadav Har'El wrote: On Wed, Dec 18, 2002, Shlomi Fish wrote about Re: IBM Workshop with RMS and T'so in Tel-Aviv and Haifa: be a Jewish Atheist, because Judaism is essentially a peopleship, that the Jewish religion is a small (and unnecessary) part of. If that isn't flamebait, I don't know what is :) Let's not feed the trolls! If you gonna start a religious war, might as well have religion somewhere in it... :) -- Thanks, Uri http://translation.israel.net = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: IBM Workshop with RMS and T'so in Tel-Aviv and Haifa
On Wed, Dec 18, 2002, Shlomi Fish wrote about Re: IBM Workshop with RMS and T'so in Tel-Aviv and Haifa: be a Jewish Atheist, because Judaism is essentially a peopleship, that the Jewish religion is a small (and unnecessary) part of. If that isn't flamebait, I don't know what is :) Let's not feed the trolls! -- Nadav Har'El|Wednesday, Dec 18 2002, 13 Tevet 5763 [EMAIL PROTECTED] |- Phone: +972-53-245868, ICQ 13349191 |What did the Buddhist say to the hot dog http://nadav.harel.org.il |vendor? Make me one with everything. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: IBM Workshop with RMS and T'so in Tel-Aviv and Haifa
RMS is Jewish or at least his mother is. Hmm... At least we can now be sure that they won't give him any trouble entering israel, huh? http://www.haaretz.co.il/hasite/pages/ShArtPE.jhtml?itemNo=240135contra ssID=2subContrassID=13sbSubContrassID=0 To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: IBM Workshop with RMS and T'so in Tel-Aviv and Haifa
Responses to Dvir/Ely/Shlomi: Dvir Volk wrote: Actually, if you read RMS's columns on his website, you'll see that he does not dislike Israel at all. His opinions are more or less equivalent to mainstream Israeli leftist opinions, he's definitely not anti Israeli. (read here for example: http://www.stallman.org/good-fences.html) I've already seen worse things that were said about Israel. For example, Linus, in another IBM event, said something in a response to a question about Mosix. Or Alan Cox, at least a year earlier, said a very negative thing about Israel (again, in the context of Mosix...). Of course, all of them were wrong wrong, and all the logic and IQ in the world is not enough when the DATA that you are fed by the media is wrong. So they said bullshit about Israel. And about some other things as well. Well, nobody's perfect (Actually, now I recall very positive things that were said about Israel by Bill Gates, Larry Ellison, Ed Zander, CEO of SAP, etc...). So let's focus on the fact that he is (they are) coming to Israel; Don't underestimate it! It's not usual these days, and most of the people of the world would avoid coming to Israel if they were at the same status. Ely Levy wrote: Would that be the best thing happened to open source in israel in 8 years? Or would RMS just use it again to show how much he dislike israel? The recent actions that were taken by the Israel Government and the Knesset, are the far opposite of what you wrote. Sometimes, there are even over actions (like Nehama Ronen). But always the purpose is positive. The main achievement is the absolute support from the Ministry of Finance, and especially Itzik Cohen and Boaz Dolev (Boaz already migrated from PowerPoint to Impress, and he prepares his presentations by it). (the name of another one, S.S., was omitted, due to the nearing elections... ;-) Shlomi Fish wrote: Are you suggesting we change the banner to read Israeli GNU/Linux Users? Temporarily or Permanently? Anyway, I like Israeli Group of Linux Users better. Temporarily? If it worked in the era of Sallah Shabatti, why wouldn't it work today? ;-) -- Eli Marmor [EMAIL PROTECTED] CTO, Founder Netmask (El-Mar) Internet Technologies Ltd. __ Tel.: +972-9-766-1020 8 Yad-Harutzim St. Fax.: +972-9-766-1314 P.O.B. 7004 Mobile: +972-50-23-7338 Kfar-Saba 44641, Israel = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: IBM Workshop with RMS and T'so in Tel-Aviv and Haifa
On Wed, 18 Dec 2002, Nadav Har'El wrote: On Wed, Dec 18, 2002, Shlomi Fish wrote about Re: IBM Workshop with RMS and T'so in Tel-Aviv and Haifa: be a Jewish Atheist, because Judaism is essentially a peopleship, that the Jewish religion is a small (and unnecessary) part of. If that isn't flamebait, I don't know what is :) Let's not feed the trolls! First of all I said, The way I see it, which you excluded from the quoted part. Other than that I don't want to start an is judaism a peopleship or a religion flame war. I just wanted to say that someone can be a Jew by nationality and still an Atheist by belief (like I am). Whether RMS considers himself a Jewish atheist is a different question altogether. Regards, Shlomi Fish -- Nadav Har'El |Wednesday, Dec 18 2002, 13 Tevet 5763 [EMAIL PROTECTED] |- Phone: +972-53-245868, ICQ 13349191 |What did the Buddhist say to the hot dog http://nadav.harel.org.il |vendor? Make me one with everything. -- Shlomi Fish[EMAIL PROTECTED] Home Page: http://t2.technion.ac.il/~shlomif/ Home E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Let's suppose you have a table with 2^n cups... Wait a second - is n a natural number? = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: IBM Workshop with RMS and T'so in Tel-Aviv and Haifa
On Wed, 18 Dec 2002, Nadav Har'El wrote: On Wed, Dec 18, 2002, Shlomi Fish wrote about Re: IBM Workshop with RMS and T'so in Tel-Aviv and Haifa: be a Jewish Atheist, because Judaism is essentially a peopleship, that the Jewish religion is a small (and unnecessary) part of. If that isn't flamebait, I don't know what is :) Let's not feed the trolls! If you gonna start a religious war, might as well have religion somewhere in it... :) -- Thanks, Uri http://translation.israel.net = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: IBM Workshop with RMS and T'so in Tel-Aviv and Haifa
OK, let's start a religious war: VI sucks. (Just kidding :-) -Original Message- From: Uri Bruck If you gonna start a religious war, might as well have religion somewhere in it... :) = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Novel RMS Questions, anyone? (was: Re: RMS, T'so and the LUG)
On Wed, 18 Dec 2002, Ely Levy wrote: oh and one last idea, How about asking him for an interview for whatsup? something in slashdot style where people send questions and he get to answer the few more asked ones. I think that would make a lot of people happy. Beside the political questions, are there any interesting questions, which Hebrew-speaking Mideast people may ask, and which were not already asked by countless Slashdot readers and contributors? --- Omer WARNING TO SPAMMERS: at http://www.zak.co.il/spamwarning.html = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Novel RMS Questions, anyone? (was: Re: RMS, T'so and the LUG)
On Wednesday 18 December 2002 19:43, Omer Zak wrote: if there will be enough people who want to participate in such an interview (send questions that they want to ask, that is) I'll be more then happy to do the job, translate everything and post the answers to the site for everyone's use. tal. On Wed, 18 Dec 2002, Ely Levy wrote: oh and one last idea, How about asking him for an interview for whatsup? something in slashdot style where people send questions and he get to answer the few more asked ones. I think that would make a lot of people happy. Beside the political questions, are there any interesting questions, which Hebrew-speaking Mideast people may ask, and which were not already asked by countless Slashdot readers and contributors? --- Omer WARNING TO SPAMMERS: at http://www.zak.co.il/spamwarning.html = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
clone hard disk
hi, i have 2 computers with the same hard disks. the 2 have ntfs on them. i wont to put them together in the same computer and copy one to the other. can i do it with tomsrtbt linux on floppy, and use the dd command. if it will work - will you be kind to suggest the command param - like dd if=/dev/hda of=/dev/hdb tnx kfir lavi = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: RMS, T'so and the LUG
On Wednesday 18 December 2002 20:40, Oleg Goldshmidt wrote: Ely Levy [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: btw oleg the part about we going to contact RMS so don't overflow him and then saying that if only 10 people can you meet him then all the rest should wait for whatever, it sounds kind of bad. it's like saying his mine his mine anyone who want to talk to him should go through me. well just noting I guess if anyone has the right to do that it's you and mulix being the celebraty of our LUG;) No, no, sorry for misunderstanding. I certainly hope that he won't say anything of the kind, and I don't know what we should do in that case. I just didn't think there should be a barrage from emails to him from different people saying Would you accept a free pint from some people from the local LUG / free s/w community / whatever. Obviously, I am not going to even raise the question about the number of people who will attend. I do think that if he say, the evening of the 9th in Haifa is OK, but I am busy on the 8th, then it will be in Haifa on the 9th because it is convenient to him, even if it is inconvenient for some of the IGLU members. I thought it was reasonable. If he says no, I'll post it to the list, and anyone who wants can try again. As things stand now, anyone can send him an email. I just thought it would be a good idea to do something co-ordinated. I promise to post whatever he says, if anything. Someone had to start... I remeber drinking beer with Maddog - I don't think there were 10 people there, by the way, and that's after a meeting which dozens of people attended... oh and one last idea, How about asking him for an interview for whatsup? something in slashdot style where people send questions and he get to answer the few more asked ones. I think that would make a lot of people happy. Amir? as i said before, let's gather the questions, set the date and manner for the interview (in person, online etc...) and i'll be happy to do it. tal. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: RMS, T'so and the LUG
ok I have 2 to offer, 1) about whats her name law offer to prevent goverment from buying non opensource things 2) About what he think should be done to push linux in israel and solve the hebrew problem which stop so many people from using it. 3) What people can do to push linux into the education system. well I have one last which is not israel related but I think it's important: 4) What plans they have to motivate hardware maker make drivers for linux, and why aren't they cooperating on the subject with other nix based OSs? my 2 ag Ely Levy System group Hebrew University Jerusalem Israel On Wed, 18 Dec 2002, Amir Tal wrote: On Wednesday 18 December 2002 20:40, Oleg Goldshmidt wrote: Ely Levy [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: btw oleg the part about we going to contact RMS so don't overflow him and then saying that if only 10 people can you meet him then all the rest should wait for whatever, it sounds kind of bad. it's like saying his mine his mine anyone who want to talk to him should go through me. well just noting I guess if anyone has the right to do that it's you and mulix being the celebraty of our LUG;) No, no, sorry for misunderstanding. I certainly hope that he won't say anything of the kind, and I don't know what we should do in that case. I just didn't think there should be a barrage from emails to him from different people saying Would you accept a free pint from some people from the local LUG / free s/w community / whatever. Obviously, I am not going to even raise the question about the number of people who will attend. I do think that if he say, the evening of the 9th in Haifa is OK, but I am busy on the 8th, then it will be in Haifa on the 9th because it is convenient to him, even if it is inconvenient for some of the IGLU members. I thought it was reasonable. If he says no, I'll post it to the list, and anyone who wants can try again. As things stand now, anyone can send him an email. I just thought it would be a good idea to do something co-ordinated. I promise to post whatever he says, if anything. Someone had to start... I remeber drinking beer with Maddog - I don't think there were 10 people there, by the way, and that's after a meeting which dozens of people attended... oh and one last idea, How about asking him for an interview for whatsup? something in slashdot style where people send questions and he get to answer the few more asked ones. I think that would make a lot of people happy. Amir? as i said before, let's gather the questions, set the date and manner for the interview (in person, online etc...) and i'll be happy to do it. tal. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
XFree issues
--Boundary_(ID_cXO4Po6uRhx8xjFxviW3ow) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT OK, now I'm really pissed ! its been like 3 hours now, that i am trying to get over this problem, and its like obvious that one of you geniuses will see the config file and the answer will just pop in front of you...right ? ;) while trying to get a better driver for my Neomagic VGA card, i've installed the svga server, and debconf screwed up my XF86Config-4, which i was stupid enough NOT to backup first.. (what an ass hole...) anyway, my mouse stopped responding properly. its moving like crazy inside X, and not responding in console (gpm installed) removed the svga server, went back to the original configuration, changed manually EVERYTHING i know how (protocols, devices etc) and the damm thing just wont work ! debian sid, 2.4.18, xfree 4.2.1-4, logitech cordless optical mouse. now, before I'll proceed to shooting myself : HELP ! tal. --Boundary_(ID_cXO4Po6uRhx8xjFxviW3ow) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; name=XF86Config-4 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: attachment; filename=XF86Config-4 ### BEGIN DEBCONF SECTION # XF86Config-4 (XFree86 server configuration file) generated by dexconf, the # Debian X Configuration tool, using values from the debconf database. # # Edit this file with caution, and see the XF86Config-4 manual page. # (Type man XF86Config-4 at the shell prompt.) # # If you want your changes to this file preserved by dexconf, only make changes # before the ### BEGIN DEBCONF SECTION line above, and/or after the # ### END DEBCONF SECTION line below. # # To change things within the debconf section, run the command: # dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 # as root. Also see How do I add custom sections to a dexconf-generated # XF86Config or XF86Config-4 file? in /usr/share/doc/xfree86-common/FAQ.gz. Section Files FontPathunix/:7100# local font server # if the local font server has problems, we can fall back on these FontPath/usr/lib/X11/fonts/misc FontPath/usr/lib/X11/fonts/cyrillic FontPath/usr/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi/:unscaled FontPath/usr/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi/:unscaled FontPath/usr/lib/X11/fonts/Type1 FontPath/usr/lib/X11/fonts/Speedo FontPath/usr/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi FontPath/usr/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi EndSection Section Module LoadGLcore Loadbitmap Loaddbe Loadddc Loaddri Loadextmod Loadfreetype Loadglx Loadint10 Loadrecord Loadspeedo Loadtype1 Loadvbe EndSection Section InputDevice Identifier Generic Keyboard Driver keyboard Option CoreKeyboard Option XkbRules xfree86 Option XkbModel pc105 Option XkbLayout us EndSection #Section InputDevice # Identifier Configured Mouse # Driver mouse # Option CorePointer # Option Device/dev/psaux # Option Protocol ImPS/2 # Option ZAxisMapping 4 5 #EndSection Section InputDevice Identifier Generic Mouse Driver mouse Option SendCoreEventstrue Option Device/dev/psaux Option CorePointer Option Protocol IMPS/2 Option ZAxisMapping 4 5 EndSection Section Device Identifier Generic Video Card Driver neomagic VideoRam4000 EndSection Section Monitor Identifier Generic Monitor HorizSync 28-50 VertRefresh 43-75 Option DPMS EndSection Section Screen Identifier Default Screen Device Generic Video Card Monitor Generic Monitor DefaultDepth24 SubSection Display Depth 1 Modes 1280x1024 1024x768 800x600 640x480 EndSubSection SubSection Display Depth 4 Modes 1280x1024 1024x768 800x600 640x480 EndSubSection SubSection Display Depth 8 Modes 1280x1024 1024x768 800x600 640x480 EndSubSection SubSection Display Depth 15 Modes 1280x1024 1024x768 800x600 640x480 EndSubSection SubSection Display Depth 16 Modes 1280x1024 1024x768 800x600 640x480 EndSubSection SubSection Display Depth 24
Re: XFree issues
On Wednesday 18 December 2002 20:50, Amir Tal wrote: Section InputDevice Identifier Generic Mouse Driver mouse Option SendCoreEventstrue This option is redundant, to say the least - CorePointer will suffice. SendCoreEvents is used if you want to configure two or more mice - for the second mouse and further. Option Device/dev/psaux Option CorePointer Option Protocol IMPS/2 Option ZAxisMapping 4 5 EndSection Seems all right to me. Now, I recall that X may somehow interfere with gpm - at least it used to be like this in the past. Did you try to disable gpm before starting X? ### END DEBCONF SECTION --Boundary_(ID_cXO4Po6uRhx8xjFxviW3ow)-- = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Regards, Alex Chudnovsky e-mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ : 35559910 = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Questions to RMS (was: Re: RMS, T'so and the LUG)
Meanwhile I thought about questions to RMS. 1. What is RMS' exact position about software which is burned into ROM and put into an instrument/device/appliance? Should the customer have access to the source code and to a means for replacing the software? 2. What if the ROM mentioned in (1) is really a PROM or flash ROM, which is modifiable in field? 3. Sometimes, in order to be able to finish modifying software for which you have the source code, you need to be able to prove that your modification has no unintended consequences. Therefore you need access to a regression test suite. In view of the above, should such a regression test suite be considered as source code (meaning form in which is the easiest to modify the software) as far as GPL is concerned? If not, why not? On Wed, 18 Dec 2002, Ely Levy wrote: ok I have 2 to offer, [... snipped ...] --- Omer WARNING TO SPAMMERS: at http://www.zak.co.il/spamwarning.html = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: XFree issues
If you can spare a partition in your hard disk (or, better, if your hard disk/s are in removable drawers), then you can make a fresh minimal Debian installation in the spare partition. Once the fresh installation is working, copy the XF86Config-4 created there to your regular installation. If you followed the safe practice of giving a separate partition to /var and/or /tmp, then you can temporarily move them to the root partition, modify your fstab, and then install. After rebuilding the XF86Config-4, go back to the original configuration. I believe that all this can be done in less than an hour (including few reboots). --- Omer WARNING TO SPAMMERS: at http://www.zak.co.il/spamwarning.html On Wed, 18 Dec 2002, Amir Tal wrote: OK, now I'm really pissed ! its been like 3 hours now, that i am trying to get over this problem, and its like obvious that one ofyou geniuses will see the config file and the answer will just pop in front of you...right ? ;) while trying to get a better driver for my Neomagic VGA card, i've installed the svga server, and debconf screwed up my XF86Config-4, which i was stupid enough NOT to backup first.. (what an ass hole...) = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
raid home solution.
Hi all, I am thinking about doing a raid thingie at home. is there a raid home solution for 2 80gb h.ds that also works with linux. if not, then windows. when i say home solution, i mean affordable. currently i have a 40gb and have a weekly,monthly,daily script that backups important documents and files to a 10gb h.d. but if that day comes when one fails, i want a quick recovery solution. what are my options?suggestions? * - * - * Tzahi Fadida [EMAIL PROTECTED] Technion Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] My Cool Site: HTTP://WWW.My2Nis.Com * - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - * WARNING TO SPAMMERS: see at http://members.lycos.co.uk/my2nis/spamwarning.html = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: XFree issues
On Wednesday 18 December 2002 21:15, Alex Chudnovsky wrote: On Wednesday 18 December 2002 20:50, Amir Tal wrote: Section InputDevice Identifier Generic Mouse Driver mouse Option SendCoreEventstrue This option is redundant, to say the least - CorePointer will suffice. SendCoreEvents is used if you want to configure two or more mice - for the second mouse and further. removed. Option Device/dev/psaux Option CorePointer Option Protocol IMPS/2 Option ZAxisMapping 4 5 EndSection Seems all right to me. Now, I recall that X may somehow interfere with gpm - at least it used to be like this in the past. Did you try to disable gpm before starting X? yes, it didnt matter much. like i said, i added Option SWCursor True to the device section, and that seems, for some reason, to solve the problem. tal. ### END DEBCONF SECTION --Boundary_(ID_cXO4Po6uRhx8xjFxviW3ow)-- = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: XFree issues
On Wed, 18 Dec 2002, Omer Zak wrote: If you can spare a partition in your hard disk (or, better, if your hard disk/s are in removable drawers), then you can make a fresh minimal Debian installation in the spare partition.Once the fresh installation is working, copy the XF86Config-4 created there to your regular installation. What program creates XF86Config-4 during the installation? Can't it be run manually? -- Tzafrir Cohen mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.technion.ac.il/~tzafrir = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Questions to RMS (was: Re: RMS, T'so and the LUG)
On Wednesday 18 December 2002 21:06, Omer Zak wrote: OK, so far i have questions from omer and eli. keep sending them in, and I'll create a final list of questions, and post it here for your approval. tal. Meanwhile I thought about questions to RMS. 1. What is RMS' exact position about software which is burned into ROM and put into an instrument/device/appliance? Should the customer have access to the source code and to a means for replacing the software? 2. What if the ROM mentioned in (1) is really a PROM or flash ROM, which is modifiable in field? 3. Sometimes, in order to be able to finish modifying software for which you have the source code, you need to be able to prove that your modification has no unintended consequences. Therefore you need access to a regression test suite. In view of the above, should such a regression test suite be considered as source code (meaning form in which is the easiest to modify the software) as far as GPL is concerned? If not, why not? On Wed, 18 Dec 2002, Ely Levy wrote: ok I have 2 to offer, [... snipped ...] --- Omer WARNING TO SPAMMERS: at http://www.zak.co.il/spamwarning.html = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: XFree issues
On Wed, 18 Dec 2002, Tzafrir Cohen wrote: On Wed, 18 Dec 2002, Omer Zak wrote: If you can spare a partition in your hard disk (or, better, if your hard disk/s are in removable drawers), then you can make a fresh minimal Debian installation in the spare partition.Once the fresh installation is working, copy the XF86Config-4 created there to your regular installation. What program creates XF86Config-4 during the installation? Look at man xf86config and man xf86cfg Can't it be run manually? AFAIK, yes. However: if Amir Tal's original problem was not only in his XF86Config-4 file but also in another place, then a quick way to solve the problem would have been to have a clean and working installation. Amir could then compare all of his config files with the corresponding ones in the clean installation, and even temporarily substitute them - until he finds which was botched up without backup. (For now, this is just an academic discussion, as Amir Tal solved his problem.) --- Omer WARNING TO SPAMMERS: at http://www.zak.co.il/spamwarning.html = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: XFree issues
On Wed, Dec 18, 2002 at 10:37:04PM +0200, Tzafrir Cohen wrote: On Wed, 18 Dec 2002, Omer Zak wrote: If you can spare a partition in your hard disk (or, better, if your hard disk/s are in removable drawers), then you can make a fresh minimal Debian installation in the spare partition.Once the fresh installation is working, copy the XF86Config-4 created there to your regular installation. What program creates XF86Config-4 during the installation? Can't it be run manually? You can use 'xf86cfg -textmode' which is supplied with XFree86. On Debian, you should supposedly be able to run 'dpkg --configure package' to overwrite the configuration files with the default ones. Also, when you remove a package, the configuration files are not erased (and will not be overwritten by subsequent installs) unless you purge (dpkg --purge package) the package. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
