Re: [OFFTOPIC] Daily Maily Spam

2008-12-09 Thread Gilad Ben-Yossef

Omer Zak wrote:


During December (since the anti-spam law came into force), I received so
far three E-mail messages from Daily Maily, without giving them
permission to continue to E-mail me.
  
If you ever went to one of those free people  Computers events, such as 
Go Linux, you signed an agreement to receive their publication. So it 
might not be my cup of tea or yours,  but neither it is SPAM as the law 
defines it.


Just unsubscribe and AFAIK they'll stop.
  

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Re: Many bidi- and Hebrew-related Wine bugs being closed (but not fixed)

2008-12-09 Thread Shachar Shemesh

Dotan Cohen wrote:

 Does
this spell the end of Hebrew support (which has always been terrible)
in Wine?

  
No. The fact no one was working on it spelled the end of Hebrew support 
in Wine. This probably just means that someone got fed up and closed the 
bugs.


Shachar


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Re: Many bidi- and Hebrew-related Wine bugs being closed (but not fixed)

2008-12-09 Thread Dotan Cohen
2008/12/9 Shachar Shemesh [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 No. The fact no one was working on it spelled the end of Hebrew support in
 Wine. This probably just means that someone got fed up and closed the bugs.


That is a better way of putting it!

With the exception of MS Office, I could do without Hebrew support in
Wine at all. But MS Office is so important for interoperability that I
cannot abandon it. At the moment I am stuck bringing every file to the
university to open them. Who could I bribe to have these issues
resolved? Wasn't there support of development by a government agency
discussed once? What became of that?

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Re: [OFFTOPIC] Daily Maily Spam

2008-12-09 Thread Omer Zak
Encouraged by advice from few Linux-IL subscribers, I clicked on the
unsubscription link provided: 
https://www.pac.co.il/RmvMails/[EMAIL PROTECTED]dm=DailyMaily
(quoted after censoring of my actual E-mail address).

I was directed to a form requesting me to fill my details - name,
company, phone numbers.  The field containing my E-mail address was
already filled.

This is a bad design - it seems that anyone can unsubscribe anyone else
from the mailing list.  A simpler unsubscription system would have
removed my subscription request as soon as I click on the link from the
E-mail message - and if the link was properly hashed, such a system
would also not allow other people to unsubscribe him.

When clicking on the הסירו אותי button, the unsubscription request was
rejected!!!  Red stars indicated that I must fill my first name and last
name.  Fortunately no further details (which I left empty) were
required.

Only after filling first name and last name fields, and clicking again
on the above button, I got confirmation that my unsubscription request
was accepted and will be processed within three business days.

They indicate that it is possible to get further help in unsubscribing
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  --- Omer


On Tue, 2008-12-09 at 23:24 +1100, Arik Baratz wrote:
 
 
 2008/12/9 Gilad Ben-Yossef [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Omer Zak wrote:
 
 
  During December (since the anti-spam law came into force), I 
 received so
  far three E-mail messages from Daily Maily, without giving them
  permission to continue to E-mail me.

 If you ever went to one of those free people  Computers
 events, such as Go Linux, you signed an agreement to receive
 their publication. So it might not be my cup of tea or yours,
 but neither it is SPAM as the law defines it.
 
 Just unsubscribe and AFAIK they'll stop.

 My experience is that they stop immediately. Mine started when I gave
 Peli the Tiger my business card after he took my photo. I guess he
 subscribed me manually so I can see the result...
 
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Re: [OFFTOPIC] Daily Maily Spam

2008-12-09 Thread Dotan Cohen
2008/12/9 Omer Zak [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 During December (since the anti-spam law came into force), I received so
 far three E-mail messages from Daily Maily, without giving them
 permission to continue to E-mail me.

 Is there anyone who is organizing a group lawsuit against them?
 At any case, can anyone recommend a guide exactly what evidence to
 provide and how to sue them?


I think that the law goes into effect on January 12. At least, that's
what all the spam messages say.

On the day, I will start collecting spam and take EVERY SPAM MESSAGE
to court. Can someone recommend a lawyer?

Also, I have had no luck in contacting the Israel Internet Association
is regards to spam that I have recieved from .co.il domains. They
never answer my mails. So, where can I turn if I receive Israeli spam
after January 12?

-- 
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Re: Many bidi- and Hebrew-related Wine bugs being closed (but not fixed)

2008-12-09 Thread Oron Peled
On Tuesday, 9 בDecember 2008, Dotan Cohen wrote:
 With the exception of MS Office, I could do without Hebrew support in
 Wine at all. But MS Office is so important for interoperability that I
 cannot abandon it. At the moment I am stuck bringing every file to the
 university to open them.

Every file? As someone using OpenOffice.org since before 1.x days
it looks a bit overestimated.

Have you tried OpenOffice.org 3.x? Can you file relevant
bugs and attach sample documents? I know I would vote for them.

 Wasn't there support of development by a government agency
 discussed once? What became of that?

Wine is an important project (IMO). But it is only a bandaid for
people who use (or are forced to use) proprietary software.

Moreover, even proprietary vendors may write portable
software (eliminating the need for wine). The abundance
of portable libraries and frameworks not only make it a reality
but even a good business choice (e.g: Qt).

IMO, government funding is better spent in *solving* the problem
instead of providing temporary workaround. In this sense, the partial
funding of OOo is infinitely better than helping wine.

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Re: [OFFTOPIC] Daily Maily Spam

2008-12-09 Thread Arik Baratz
2008/12/9 Gilad Ben-Yossef [EMAIL PROTECTED]

  Omer Zak wrote:

 During December (since the anti-spam law came into force), I received so
 far three E-mail messages from Daily Maily, without giving them
 permission to continue to E-mail me.


  If you ever went to one of those free people  Computers events, such as
 Go Linux, you signed an agreement to receive their publication. So it might
 not be my cup of tea or yours,  but neither it is SPAM as the law defines
 it.

 Just unsubscribe and AFAIK they'll stop.

   My experience is that they stop immediately. Mine started when I gave
Peli the Tiger my business card after he took my photo. I guess he
subscribed me manually so I can see the result...

-- Arik


Re: Many bidi- and Hebrew-related Wine bugs being closed (but not fixed)

2008-12-09 Thread Dotan Cohen
2008/12/9 Oron Peled [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 Every file? As someone using OpenOffice.org since before 1.x days
 it looks a bit overestimated.


I exaggerated. But my professors still send files in Word with
complex, unneeded formating that OOo 3 cannot handle. They use
Mathtype, too, which even normal Word cannot read. I have asked them
time and again for PDFs. Their answer is that the university
(Technion) proves MS Windows and Office for free to my faculty.

 Have you tried OpenOffice.org 3.x? Can you file relevant
 bugs and attach sample documents? I know I would vote for them.


I will start filing incompatibility bugs with OOo. Would you like me
to CC you the bug numbers?

 Wasn't there support of development by a government agency
 discussed once? What became of that?

 Wine is an important project (IMO). But it is only a bandaid for
 people who use (or are forced to use) proprietary software.

 Moreover, even proprietary vendors may write portable
 software (eliminating the need for wine). The abundance
 of portable libraries and frameworks not only make it a reality
 but even a good business choice (e.g: Qt).

 IMO, government funding is better spent in *solving* the problem
 instead of providing temporary workaround. In this sense, the partial
 funding of OOo is infinitely better than helping wine.


So long as MSO is so prevailent, Wine is a necessary evil. But I do
agree that government intervention is not the answer.

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Many bidi- and Hebrew-related Wine bugs being closed (but not fixed)

2008-12-09 Thread Dotan Cohen
In the past few days many bidi- and Hebrew-related bugs are being
closed as Abandoned, Wontfix, or other non-resolved closures.
Presumably this is because nobody is triaging or fixing them. Does
this spell the end of Hebrew support (which has always been terrible)
in Wine?

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Welcome to Linux: Living in the Community on Sunday, 14-Dec-2008

2008-12-09 Thread Shlomi Fish
As part of the Welcome to Linux ( http://welcome.linux.org.il/ ) series, the 
Tel Aviv Linux club will hold the fourth meeting in the series, next Sunday, 
14-December-2008. Ori Idan will present about Living in the Community and How 
to Get Help.

The presentation will start at 18:30, in the Schreiber building, room 008 of 
Tel Aviv University. Attendance is free and everyone are welcome.

The purpose of the Welcome to Linux series is to introduce Linux to people who 
are not very familiar with it. More information can be found at:

* http://welcome.linux.org.il/2008/
* http://www.cs.tau.ac.il/telux/

We need your help in publicising the meetings.

Note that in 21-December-2008, there will be a general assembly of Hamakor 
instead of the Development Tools for Linux presentation, which has been 
re-scheduled to 28-December-2008.

Regards,

Shlomi Fish

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Re: Many bidi- and Hebrew-related Wine bugs being closed (but not fixed)

2008-12-09 Thread Oron Peled
On Tuesday, 9 בDecember 2008, Dotan Cohen wrote:
 But my professors still send files in Word with ...
 They use Mathtype, too, which even normal Word cannot read.
 ... the university (Technion)

Hmmm... Professors in the Technion who use Word for *math*
Next, D.Knuth would send MS-Word articles to the journal of ACM ;-)
Interesting times indeed...

 I will start filing incompatibility bugs with OOo. Would you like me
 to CC you the bug numbers?

Sure.

Another (somewhat weird) idea. Maybe we can set a hebrew-bugzappers
mailing list and forward all the various *Hebrew Related* bugs (OOo,
Firefox, distros, etc.) This (or an equivalent RSS feed) would serve
as a focus zone for anyone who want to help push these subjects forward.


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Re: Many bidi- and Hebrew-related Wine bugs being closed (but not fixed)

2008-12-09 Thread Dotan Cohen
2008/12/9 Oron Peled [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 On Tuesday, 9 בDecember 2008, Dotan Cohen wrote:
 But my professors still send files in Word with ...
 They use Mathtype, too, which even normal Word cannot read.
 ... the university (Technion)

 Hmmm... Professors in the Technion who use Word for *math*
 Next, D.Knuth would send MS-Word articles to the journal of ACM ;-)
 Interesting times indeed...


Do you find this odd? Shall I send to you some documents? I study
Mechanical Engineering at the Technion, if you have different
experiences with the ME faculty I'd like to hear about it.

 I will start filing incompatibility bugs with OOo. Would you like me
 to CC you the bug numbers?

 Sure.


Will do.

 Another (somewhat weird) idea. Maybe we can set a hebrew-bugzappers
 mailing list and forward all the various *Hebrew Related* bugs (OOo,
 Firefox, distros, etc.) This (or an equivalent RSS feed) would serve
 as a focus zone for anyone who want to help push these subjects forward.


I would be willing to host the mailing list at dotancohen.com if need be.

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Re: [OFFTOPIC] Daily Maily Spam

2008-12-09 Thread Herouth Maoz




I think that the law goes into effect on January 12. At least, that's
what all the spam messages say.


Don't trust spammers. The law went into effect on Decemeber 1st. Any  
spammer sending any unsolicited mail to you now is violating the law.


http://law.co.il/articles/spam/2008/11/12/israeli-anti-spam-law/ (Hebrew)

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Re: Many bidi- and Hebrew-related Wine bugs being closed (but not fixed)

2008-12-09 Thread Shachar Shemesh

Oron Peled wrote:


Another (somewhat weird) idea. Maybe we can set a hebrew-bugzappers
mailing list and forward all the various *Hebrew Related* bugs (OOo,
Firefox, distros, etc.) This (or an equivalent RSS feed) would serve
as a focus zone for anyone who want to help push these subjects forward.


  

http://hamakor.org.il/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/heb-bugzap

You have just been appointed list operator. Enjoy.

Shachar


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Re: [OFFTOPIC] Daily Maily Spam

2008-12-09 Thread Dotan Cohen
2008/12/9 Herouth Maoz [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 Don't trust spammers. The law went into effect on Decemeber 1st. Any spammer
 sending any unsolicited mail to you now is violating the law.

 http://law.co.il/articles/spam/2008/11/12/israeli-anti-spam-law/ (Hebrew)


Thank you. I will contact a lawyer. Suggestions welcome.

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Re: Many bidi- and Hebrew-related Wine bugs being closed (but not fixed)

2008-12-09 Thread Oron Peled
On Tuesday, 9 בDecember 2008, Shachar Shemesh wrote:
 http://hamakor.org.il/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/heb-bugzap
 
 You have just been appointed list operator. Enjoy.

The speed of light really is too slow nowdays.

Thanks. Now everybody who files a *Hebrew* related bug
is kindly asked to CC this list. Let's see how it develops...

Cheers,

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Re: Many bidi- and Hebrew-related Wine bugs being closed (but not fixed)

2008-12-09 Thread Dotan Cohen
2008/12/9 Oron Peled [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 On Tuesday, 9 בDecember 2008, Shachar Shemesh wrote:
 http://hamakor.org.il/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/heb-bugzap

 You have just been appointed list operator. Enjoy.

 The speed of light really is too slow nowdays.

 Thanks. Now everybody who files a *Hebrew* related bug
 is kindly asked to CC this list. Let's see how it develops...


Will do. I'll make a list of current Hebrew related bugs as well.

Important question: how many Hebrew _developers_ are on the list? I am
not a developer.

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Re: Many bidi- and Hebrew-related Wine bugs being closed (but not fixed)

2008-12-09 Thread Dotan Cohen
2008/12/9 Shlomi Fish [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 I'm a developer. I didn't do a lot of Bidi/Right-to-left/i18n/Hebrew
 development, but I suppose I can learn.


I was hoping that you would pop up. Did you sign up for the heb-bugzap
list? If so then two of the four names that are most familiar to me in
Israeli FOSS software development are there, and that is important.

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Firestarter firewall problem

2008-12-09 Thread David Ronkin
Can anyone advice on this strange issue:

When i use Firestarter firewall  in  my Ubuntu it blocks me an outgoing
traffic even though
i've chosen Permissive setting by default for outgoing (for incoming one i
allowed only the remote machines i need to)?


Thanks
David

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Re: Many bidi- and Hebrew-related Wine bugs being closed (but not fixed)

2008-12-09 Thread Shlomi Fish
On Tuesday 09 December 2008, Dotan Cohen wrote:
 2008/12/9 Shlomi Fish [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
  I'm a developer. I didn't do a lot of Bidi/Right-to-left/i18n/Hebrew
  development, but I suppose I can learn.

 I was hoping that you would pop up. Did you sign up for the heb-bugzap
 list?

Yes, I did. From [EMAIL PROTECTED] .

 If so then two of the four names that are most familiar to me in 
 Israeli FOSS software development are there, and that is important.

:-)

Regards,

Shlomi Fish

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Stop Using MSIE - http://www.shlomifish.org/no-ie/

Shlomi, so what are you working on? Working on a new wiki about unit testing 
fortunes in freecell? -- Ran Eilam

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Re: Many bidi- and Hebrew-related Wine bugs being closed (but not fixed)

2008-12-09 Thread Amos Shapira
2008/12/10 Dotan Cohen [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 2008/12/9 Oron Peled [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
  Every file? As someone using OpenOffice.org since before 1.x days
  it looks a bit overestimated.
 

 I exaggerated. But my professors still send files in Word with
 complex, unneeded formating that OOo 3 cannot handle. They use
 Mathtype, too, which even normal Word cannot read. I have asked them
 time and again for PDFs. Their answer is that the university
 (Technion) proves MS Windows and Office for free to my faculty.

Have you tried other options like AbiWord and KOffice? I just read
somewhere (probably linmagazine or whatsup) that the new version of
AbiWord is even better at supporting latest MS formats.

Also have you checked crossover office support? I think it's a bit
ahead of the plain WINE project and doesn't cost to much (actually was
given for free in a sale about a month ago).

Also worst case if you must access MSO then another option is to run
Windows in a VMWare.

Cheers,

--Amos

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Re: [OFFTOPIC] Daily Maily Spam

2008-12-09 Thread Amos Shapira
2008/12/10 Herouth Maoz [EMAIL PROTECTED]:


 I think that the law goes into effect on January 12. At least, that's
 what all the spam messages say.

 Don't trust spammers. The law went into effect on Decemeber 1st. Any spammer
 sending any unsolicited mail to you now is violating the law.

Looks like maybe someone along the chain to Dotan has mixed up
American date format (MM/DD/) with the sane format (DD/MM/).

--Amos

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Re: Many bidi- and Hebrew-related Wine bugs being closed (but not fixed)

2008-12-09 Thread Shachar Shemesh

Amos Shapira wrote:


Also have you checked crossover office support? I think it's a bit
ahead of the plain WINE project and doesn't cost to much (actually was
given for free in a sale about a month ago).
  
Crossover has no better (and at times, had worse) support for BiDi than 
vanilla Wine. If BiDi is the problem, Crossover is not the solution.


Shachar

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Re: Many bidi- and Hebrew-related Wine bugs being closed (but not fixed)

2008-12-09 Thread Yedidyah Bar-David
On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 09:41:29AM +1100, Amos Shapira wrote:
 2008/12/10 Dotan Cohen [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
  2008/12/9 Oron Peled [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
   Every file? As someone using OpenOffice.org since before 1.x days
   it looks a bit overestimated.
  
 
  I exaggerated. But my professors still send files in Word with
  complex, unneeded formating that OOo 3 cannot handle. They use
  Mathtype, too, which even normal Word cannot read. I have asked them
  time and again for PDFs. Their answer is that the university
  (Technion) proves MS Windows and Office for free to my faculty.
 
 Have you tried other options like AbiWord and KOffice? I just read
 somewhere (probably linmagazine or whatsup) that the new version of
 AbiWord is even better at supporting latest MS formats.
 
 Also have you checked crossover office support? I think it's a bit
 ahead of the plain WINE project and doesn't cost to much (actually was
 given for free in a sale about a month ago).
 
 Also worst case if you must access MSO then another option is to run
 Windows in a VMWare.

Also, I don't know about the Technion, but when I worked in tau (and
still today, as far as I know), we provided to students access to a
Windows terminal server with basically all the software they needed for
their studies (in parallel with access to Unix machines which was
provided for 20 or so years, also when I was a student).
-- 
Didi


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Re: silly bash scripting question - minor error correction

2008-12-09 Thread Amos Shapira
2008/12/8 Ehud Karni [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 I had an error, I did not notice that one of your variable includes :.
 Change my separator character to % in the 3rd solution like this:

 rsync=/usr/bin/rsync%-navHz%--delete%--delay-updates%--bwlimit=256%-e%ssh -i 
 /root/rsync.id
 local=/mnt/data/html/minicpan
 copyto=test01:$local # here you use :
 IFS=%# use only % (not space) to separate tokens
 $rsync $local/ $copyto/# you can use % or space for extra arguments

 Ehud.

Thanks.

I'm not clear on what's the advantage of this approach over eval. Can
you explain it to me?

Cheers,

--Amos

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Re: Many bidi- and Hebrew-related Wine bugs being closed (but not fixed)

2008-12-09 Thread Dotan Cohen
2008/12/10 Amos Shapira [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 I exaggerated. But my professors still send files in Word with
 complex, unneeded formating that OOo 3 cannot handle. They use
 Mathtype, too, which even normal Word cannot read. I have asked them
 time and again for PDFs. Their answer is that the university
 (Technion) proves MS Windows and Office for free to my faculty.

 Have you tried other options like AbiWord and KOffice? I just read
 somewhere (probably linmagazine or whatsup) that the new version of
 AbiWord is even better at supporting latest MS formats.


Koffice 1.x makes ruins the formmating completely, but I intend on
trying again in 2.x. I have not looked at Abiword in years but I will
try it again, thanks for the suggestion.

 Also have you checked crossover office support? I think it's a bit
 ahead of the plain WINE project and doesn't cost to much (actually was
 given for free in a sale about a month ago).


Crossover (and Wine in general) do not have satisfactory RTL support.
Most of my documents are in Hebrew.

 Also worst case if you must access MSO then another option is to run
 Windows in a VMWare.


If I wanted to pirate or buy MS Windows, then that would be an option.
While I would love to buy MS Office (if it ran on Linux) because I
really think that it is a great program, I will not pay for MS Windows
as I think that it is terrible software. And I do not pirate.

-- 
Dotan Cohen

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