Good books (was: Re: Newbies problems)
On Mon, Aug 26, 2002 at 03:16:29PM +1200, Christopher Sawtell wrote: Christopher Sawtell wrote: Although this book is about 10 years old it is the one from which I learnt my way around the unix beast. The book is Peter Norton's Unix. Search on that title to get the very book's record. Speaking of good books... Unix System V: A Practical Guide (Mark G. Sobell) I got it from the University bookshop 6 or 7 years ago, and would've been completely lost without it. Maybe they're still selling it there. I guess there's a chance it's in the library, too. It's reviewed at amazon.com. There's also A Practical Guide to Linux, by the same author. I haven't read it, but I'm sure it's worth checking out. Again, it's reviewed at amazon. A very good free book: The Linux Cookbook (Michael Stutz) read online: http://www.tldp.org/LDP/linuxcookbook/html/index.html download (scroll down the page to find it): http://www.tldp.org/guides.html Debian: apt-get install linuxcookbook The author's homepage links to publishers of printed editions: http://www.dsl.org/ Tim -- Timothy Musson - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~trmusson/ . . . . . . . Tasteless Colourless Gum
RE: Good books (was: Re: Newbies problems)
My bible for a long time was O'Reilly's Unix in a Nutshell. Guy. -Original Message- From: Timothy Musson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, 26 August 2002 8:48 p.m. To: CLUG Subject: Good books (was: Re: Newbies problems) On Mon, Aug 26, 2002 at 03:16:29PM +1200, Christopher Sawtell wrote: Christopher Sawtell wrote: Although this book is about 10 years old it is the one from which I learnt my way around the unix beast. The book is Peter Norton's Unix. Search on that title to get the very book's record. Speaking of good books... Unix System V: A Practical Guide (Mark G. Sobell) I got it from the University bookshop 6 or 7 years ago, and would've been completely lost without it. Maybe they're still selling it there. I guess there's a chance it's in the library, too. It's reviewed at amazon.com. There's also A Practical Guide to Linux, by the same author. I haven't read it, but I'm sure it's worth checking out. Again, it's reviewed at amazon. A very good free book: The Linux Cookbook (Michael Stutz) read online: http://www.tldp.org/LDP/linuxcookbook/html/index.html download (scroll down the page to find it): http://www.tldp.org/guides.html Debian: apt-get install linuxcookbook The author's homepage links to publishers of printed editions: http://www.dsl.org/ Tim -- Timothy Musson - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~trmusson/ . . . . . . . Tasteless Colourless Gum
Re: Newbies problems
IMHO this and other questions as such scream out for a welcome to linux heres the basics of unix commands thru to more complicated stuff book, hopefully that Rute manual acheives this, maybe all 'newbies' should be pointed here before they start installing linux :-) p.s. about the dir thing ;-) alias dir='ls -al' jeremyb. From: stringer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2002/08/26 Mon AM 09:35:18 GMT+12:00 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Newbies problems Hi all, I thought that was a realy good thing Andrew Tarr did with the Directory Structure. What I found most frustrating at first was getting to grips with the acronyms. Dir for directory was obvious, but in Linux it was called ls. It was some time and several books later I discovered it stood for LiSt files!! Now if someone had told me that at the beginning, I'd have remembered it no trouble. Similarly, pwd - Print Working Directory. Obvious what it does when you know what it stands for. I see some having trouble with the email acronyms, such as AFAIK, IMHO, IIRC, ROTFL and so on. This really was a bad habit generated by one finger typists (IMHO!). What does it really take to write In my humble opinion As far as I know If I remember correctly Rolling on the floor laughing? Or at least In my HO to give a clue? OK, I know some people are not good typists, but we all have to learn, eh? But more important, we should avoid using acronyms when answering posts in case newbies are reading them too, and especially when answering a newbie's post. Don't mean to offend anyone, just my 0.02c worth. David Stringer
Re: Newbies problems
Hi all, I thought that was a realy good thing Andrew Tarr did with the Directory Structure. Yes, thanks Andrew. What I found most frustrating at first was getting to grips with the acronyms. Dir for directory was obvious, but in Linux it was called ls. It was some time and several books later I discovered it stood for LiSt files!! Now if someone had told me that at the beginning, I'd have remembered it no trouble. Now this I like, someone who actually went out and read a book or a tutorial on the net and worked something out for himself. Yes, some of the command line commands have very short and cryptic names. Remember they were probably developed on teletype machines or terminals running at 1200 baud (or less?) by people who used the command line all day every day. hence tr=translate, cp=copy, mv=move, ls=list, Now where the hell did they get awk, glob grep from? You'll get used to it. I regularly type ls in dos boxes now, only to be told Bad command or file name Similarly, pwd - Print Working Directory. Obvious what it does when you know what it stands for. I see some having trouble with the email acronyms, such as AFAIK, IMHO, IIRC, ROTFL and so on. This really was a bad habit generated by one finger typists (IMHO!). What does it really take to write In my humble opinion As far as I know If I remember correctly Rolling on the floor laughing? Or at least In my HO to give a clue? These have nothing to do with linux, you will encounter them in every newsgroup, mailing list and web forum on the net. It is extremely easy to find or guess what they mean. They reduce the amount of traffic on the list (a bit). You might change the odd person's habits, but you aren't going to change the rest of the world, better to learn a frew acronyms, you'll need 'em elsewhere. OK, I know some people are not good typists, but we all have to learn, eh? But more important, we should avoid using acronyms when answering posts in case newbies are reading them too, and especially when answering a newbie's post. Don't mean to offend anyone, just my 0.02c worth. David Stringer -- Nick Rout [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Newbies problems
On Mon, 2002-08-26 at 10:21, Nick Rout wrote: Now where the hell did they get awk, glob grep from? awk by Alfred V. Aho, Peter J. Weinberger and Brian W. Kernighan. Notice first letter of last names. Mark
Re: Newbies problems
On Mon, 26 Aug 2002, stringer wrote: [...] I see some having trouble with the email acronyms, such as AFAIK, IMHO, IIRC, ROTFL and so on. This really was a bad habit generated by one finger typists (IMHO!). What does it really take to write In my humble opinion As far as I know If I remember correctly Rolling on the floor laughing? Or at least In my HO to give a clue? OK, I know some people are not good typists, but we all have to learn, eh? But more important, we should avoid using acronyms when answering posts in case newbies are reading them too, and especially when answering a newbie's post. These acronyms are very, very common. If one really have difficulty then go to http://www.acronymfinder.com/ Cheers, -- Ryurick M. Hristev mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Computer Systems Manager University of Canterbury, Physics Astronomy Dept., New Zealand
Re: Newbies problems
Nick Rout wrote: Although this book is about 10 years old it is the one from which I learnt my way around the unix beast. http://librarydata.christchurch.org.nz/web2/tramp2.exe/goto/A00kl2r2.002?screen=Record.htmlserver=1homeitem=8item_source=1home It's readable, informative, and available right now for free on your library card. Hi all, I thought that was a realy good thing Andrew Tarr did with the Directory Structure. Yes, thanks Andrew. What I found most frustrating at first was getting to grips with the acronyms. Dir for directory was obvious, but in Linux it was called ls. It was some time and several books later I discovered it stood for LiSt files!! Now if someone had told me that at the beginning, I'd have remembered it no trouble. Now this I like, someone who actually went out and read a book or a tutorial on the net and worked something out for himself. Yes, some of the command line commands have very short and cryptic names. Remember they were probably developed on teletype machines or terminals running at 1200 baud (or less?) by people who used the command line all day every day. hence tr=translate, cp=copy, mv=move, ls=list, Now where the hell did they get awk, glob grep from? You'll get used to it. I regularly type ls in dos boxes now, only to be told Bad command or file name Similarly, pwd - Print Working Directory. Obvious what it does when you know what it stands for. I see some having trouble with the email acronyms, such as AFAIK, IMHO, IIRC, ROTFL and so on. This really was a bad habit generated by one finger typists (IMHO!). What does it really take to write In my humble opinion As far as I know If I remember correctly Rolling on the floor laughing? Or at least In my HO to give a clue? These have nothing to do with linux, you will encounter them in every newsgroup, mailing list and web forum on the net. It is extremely easy to find or guess what they mean. They reduce the amount of traffic on the list (a bit). You might change the odd person's habits, but you aren't going to change the rest of the world, better to learn a frew acronyms, you'll need 'em elsewhere. OK, I know some people are not good typists, but we all have to learn, eh? But more important, we should avoid using acronyms when answering posts in case newbies are reading them too, and especially when answering a newbie's post. Don't mean to offend anyone, just my 0.02c worth. David Stringer
Re: Newbies problems
Christopher Sawtell wrote: Nick Rout wrote: Although this book is about 10 years old it is the one from which I learnt my way around the unix beast. http://librarydata.christchurch.org.nz/web2/tramp2.exe/goto/A00kl2r2.002?screen=Record.htmlserver=1homeitem=8item_source=1home Sorry folks. It seems that you can't just poke a full url at the library system and get a record. :-( Ah! I see '.exe' in there, No Wonder! :-) The book is Peter Norton's Unix. Search on that title to get the very book's record. -- C. S.
Re: Newbies problems
Peter Norton? Isn't he the guy from Norton Antivirus, Norton Ghost and other such famous utilites for windows? :) Steve On Mon, Aug 26, 2002 at 03:16:29PM +1200, Christopher Sawtell wrote: Christopher Sawtell wrote: Nick Rout wrote: Although this book is about 10 years old it is the one from which I learnt my way around the unix beast. http://librarydata.christchurch.org.nz/web2/tramp2.exe/goto/A00kl2r2.002?screen=Record.htmlserver=1homeitem=8item_source=1home Sorry folks. It seems that you can't just poke a full url at the library system and get a record. :-( Ah! I see '.exe' in there, No Wonder! :-) The book is Peter Norton's Unix. Search on that title to get the very book's record. -- C. S. -- )Stephen Nicholas( Uni Hall Ph: (03) 341 1500 Private Bag 4760 Extn: 54419 Christchurch 021 504 412 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 70245950 )---www.steve.nicholas.net.nz(
Re: Newbies problems
Not a very well organised site. I selected 'Getting Started, How the File System Works' and went to a page listing Newsletters, none of was referring to file systems. I was none the wiser and needed that information before being able to progress any further. Peter, if you take a look, that is a link toa sunworld.com site, possibly the url has moved or been deleted and the ugu site have not noticed. Why don't you tell them? There are dead links all over the internet, its an ongoing problem . Admins delete stuff off systems, change the urls etc etc. if you want stuff on filesystems read up in the rute manual (http://rute.sf.net) or Andre'w recent post to this list. -- Nick Rout [EMAIL PROTECTED]
