[LUTE] Re: Great performance
And the pessimistic lyrics are perhaps even as relevant today as they were 500 years ago. G -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: My web site (long and probably tedious)
PS What might also be good, would be the ability to send parts of messages in bold/italic etc which the current system seems to put into plain text. For example, my interpolations here would be clearer if put in bold. You could yourself have made them clearer by putting marks like plus signs or asterisks or whatever at beginning and end. I know that separating text doesn't seem to work sometimes, and don't understand why that is. G. -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: A trivia question
Vincenzo Galilei wrote 100 variations over the Romanesca, which would take more than one hour to perform On Sat, Aug 29, 2020 at 2:54 PM G. C. <[1]kalei...@gmail.com> wrote: [2]https://www.mail-archive.com/lute@cs.dartmouth.edu/msg24116.html -- References 1. mailto:kalei...@gmail.com 2. https://www.mail-archive.com/lute@cs.dartmouth.edu/msg24116.html To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: A trivia question
[1]https://www.mail-archive.com/lute@cs.dartmouth.edu/msg24116.html -- References 1. https://www.mail-archive.com/lute@cs.dartmouth.edu/msg24116.html To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: A trivia question
There is a very long passamezzo by V. Galilei in manuscript -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: future of the lute
Didn't know this one. It's on Youtube. Nice. Thanks Martyn! G. On Fri, Aug 28, 2020 at 10:01 AM Martyn Hodgson <[1]hodgsonmar...@mail.cs.dartmouth.edu> wrote: Do you not count Andrew Parrott's Una stravaganza dei medici? Here's the opening [1]Una Stravaganza Dei Medici (1) [youtube.png] Una Stravaganza Dei Medici (1) On Friday, 28 August 2020, 08:21:54 BST, Jean-Marie Poirier <[2]jmpoiri...@wanadoo.fr> wrote: Agreed but I maybe partial here ð! Jean-Marie > Le 28 aoà »t 2020 à 00:00, Alain Veylit <[2][3]al...@musickshandmade.com> a à ©crit : > > ï » ¿I beg to differ - see Tous les matins du monde > > >> On 8/27/20 2:41 PM, [3][4]tristanvonneum...@gmx.de wrote: >> him. >> >> A good Early Music movie has yet to be made... > > > > To get on or off this list see list information at > [4][5]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References Visible links: 1. [6]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mfakbN_6Zzs=PL0clH6LNQvkV4Ca oYkw1ipKCNv-NX3pQC 2. mailto:[7]al...@musickshandmade.com 3. mailto:[8]tristanvonneum...@gmx.de 4. [9]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html Hidden links: 6. [10]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mfakbN_6Zzs=PL0clH6LNQvkV4C aoYkw1ipKCNv-NX3pQC -- References 1. mailto:hodgsonmar...@mail.cs.dartmouth.edu 2. mailto:jmpoiri...@wanadoo.fr 3. mailto:al...@musickshandmade.com 4. mailto:tristanvonneum...@gmx.de 5. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html 6. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mfakbN_6Zzs=PL0clH6LNQvkV4CaoYkw1ipKCNv-NX3pQC 7. mailto:al...@musickshandmade.com 8. mailto:tristanvonneum...@gmx.de 9. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html 10. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mfakbN_6Zzs=PL0clH6LNQvkV4CaoYkw1ipKCNv-NX3pQC
[LUTE] Re: future of the lute
+++A good Early Music movie has yet to be made... A few come to mind: Amadeus (1984) Tous les matins du monde (1991) Farinelli 1994 Le roi danse (2000) There are more! :) -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: The lute list is retiring soon
This is the earliest exchange I found in the archives ** From [1]usher...@dukemc.mc.duke.edu Tue Feb 11 15:54:28 1992 Received: from [2]dukemc.mc.duke.edu by [3]sunapee.dartmouth.edu (5.61a+YP/4.1) id AA08426; Tue, 11 Feb 92 15:43:44 -0500 Received: from DECNET-MAIL by [4]dukemc.mc.duke.edu (PMDF #12191) id <[5]01gge7jxfo1s008...@dukemc.mc.duke.edu>; Tue, 11 Feb 1992 13:28 EDT Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1992 13:28 EDT From: [6]usher...@dukemc.mc.duke.edu Sender: [7]usher...@dukemc.mc.duke.edu To: [8]l...@sunapee.dartmouth.edu Message-ID: <446-[9]01gge7jxfo1s008...@dukemc.mc.duke.edu> X-Organization: Duke University Medical Center, Durham NC, USA X-Vms-To: IN%"[10]l...@sunapee.dartmouth.edu" Status: OR 2/11 To: Lute network From: Caroline Usher, LSA Prez Thanks for the responses I have already received to my notice about a book for amateur players of Renaissance lute. I realized that I invited you to send me xerox copies from facsimiles that you have trouble reading, but neglected to put my mailing address. It is: 2639 Lawndale Ave. Durham NC 27705 I look forward to hearing from more of you. Thanks. From [11]w...@cs.dartmouth.edu Tue Feb 11 14:07:45 1992 Received: from [12]cs.dartmouth.edu by [13]sunapee.dartmouth.edu (5.61a+YP/4.1) id AA08124; Tue, 11 Feb 92 14:07:42 -0500 Received: by [14]cs.dartmouth.edu (5.65D1/4.1) id AA24138; Tue, 11 Feb 92 14:11:04 -0500 Date: Tue, 11 Feb 92 14:11:04 -0500 From: [15]w...@cs.dartmouth.edu (Wayne Cripps) Message-ID: <446-[16]9202111911.aa24...@cs.dartmouth.edu> To: [17]lute-requ...@sunapee.dartmouth.edu Subject: test Status: OR From [18]w...@quimby.dartmouth.edu Tue Feb 11 14:08:53 1992 Received: from [19]quimby.dartmouth.edu by [20]sunapee.dartmouth.edu (5.61a+YP/4.1) id AA08145; Tue, 11 Feb 92 14:08:51 -0500 Received: by [21]quimby.dartmouth.edu (5.65D1/4.1) id AA13666; Tue, 11 Feb 92 14:14:28 -0500 From: [22]w...@quimby.dartmouth.edu (Wayne B. Cripps) Message-ID: <446-[23]9202111914.aa13...@quimby.dartmouth.edu> Subject: lute mailing list (fwd) To: [24]lute-requ...@sunapee.dartmouth.edu Date: Tue, 11 Feb 92 14:14:27 EST X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Status: OR Forwarded message: >From [25]j...@netcom.netcom.com Tue Feb 11 14:08:34 1992 Date: Tue, 11 Feb 92 11:06:34 PST From: [26]j...@netcom.netcom.com (Jane Valencia) Message-ID: <446-[27]9202111906.aa22...@netcom.netcom.com> To: [28]w...@sunapee.dartmouth.edu Subject: lute mailing list Hi Wayne! Please sign me up! (I tried to mail to "lute-request", but my mail bounced) Jane Valencia [29]j...@netcom.netcom.com From [30]ho...@bija.syslab.iias.flab.fujitsu.co.jp Tue Feb 11 18:43:07 1992 Received: from [133.160.28.1] by [31]sunapee.dartmouth.edu (5.61a+YP/4.1) id AA08809; Tue, 11 Feb 92 18:42:59 -0500 Received: from [32]fdm.fujitsu.co.jp by [33]fwide.fujitsu.co.jp (4.1/2.7W-fujitsu/1.1) id AA17069; Wed, 12 Feb 92 08:48:53 JST Received: from [133.160.132.13] by [34]fdm.fujitsu.co.jp (5.65/6.4J.6) id AA08654; Wed, 12 Feb 92 08:51:39 +0900 Return-Path: <[35]ho...@bija.syslab.iias.flab.fujitsu.co.jp> Received: by [36]bija.syslab.iias.flab.fujitsu.co.jp; (5.64+/IDA-1.3.4/IIAS-1.0) id AA00287; Wed, 12 Feb 92 08:43:31 +0900 Date: Wed, 12 Feb 92 08:43:31 +0900 From: Hisayuki Horai <[37]ho...@sutra.syslab.iias.flab.fujitsu.co.jp> Message-Id: <[38]9202112343.aa00...@bija.syslab.iias.flab.fujitsu.co.jp> To: [39]lute-requ...@sunapee.dartmouth.edu Subject: Re: Lute mailing list starting! Status: OR Dear Sirs, I will appreciate it very much if you will admit me to membership in the lute mailing list. Yours faithfully, Hisayuki HORAI ([40]ho...@iias.flab.fujitsu.co.jp) From [41]ohy...@tsl.cl.nec.co.jp Wed Feb 12 00:28:44 1992 Received: from [42]nec-gw.nec.com by [43]sunapee.dartmouth.edu (5.61a+YP/4.1) id AA09194; Wed, 12 Feb 92 00:28:38 -0500 Received: by [44]nec-gw.nec.com (5.61+++/YDL1.7-911107.16) id AA27883([45]nec-gw.nec.com ); Tue, 11 Feb 92 21:37:54 -0800 Received: from [46]yawara.tsl.cl.nec.co.jp by [47]adam.tsl.cl.nec.co.jp (4.0/6.4J.6-TSL) id AA15533; Wed, 12 Feb 92 14:32:58 JST Received: by [48]yawara.tsl.cl.nec.co.jp (4.0/6.4J.6-TSL) id AA14537; Wed, 12 Feb 92 14:32:53 JST Date: Wed, 12 Feb 92 14:32:53 JST From: [49]ohy...@tsl.cl.nec.co.jp (Ohyama Yutaka) Return-Path: <[50]ohy...@tsl.cl.nec.co.jp> Message-ID: <446-[51]9202120532.aa14...@yawara.tsl.cl.nec.co.jp> To: [52]lute-requ...@sunapee.dartmouth.edu Subject: Re: Lute mailing list starting! Cc: [53]ohy...@tsl.cl.nec.co.jp Status: OR >I am starting a mailing list for lute players! If you are >interested in being on the list, contact Please let me join your mailing list.
[LUTE] Re: The lute list is retiring soon
For your information, Waynes lutelist saw the light of day in 1992 already, and if I remember correctly, our friend Arto Wikla was the first poster. So almost 30 years of service! Beat that! Please correct me if I'm wrong. G. -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: The lute list is retiring soon
Dear Wayne, what sad news, I'm shocked. Having been a member since just before the NY tower terror, and have enjoyed immensly beeing able to communicate with this wonderful community that you enabled, I really hope that the lute list will continue in one way or another after you, because it has been such an incredible resource for all of us. I want to thank you FTBOMH for all these years, and all the work and energy that you have put into it. In the "History of the lute" you will definitely figure as a most important contributor and innovator, not least for the TAB program and also for all the other lute related activities. All things must pass, I wish they had lasted longer but I'm sure that the whole list will agree in sending you the best possible wishes and good luck, for what you will use your time for next, and hope that it will hopefully be lute related. Thank you for these wonderful years Wayne and all the best of luck! G. -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Julian Brean has died
Being a seriously aspiring guitarist in those days, Julian Bream's two famous lute records "The Woods so Wild" and "Music from the Courts", totally changed the paradigms for me. Virtually all the pieces in those two records have become the canon for so many lutenists. I was lucky to catch a performance he did at the Stockholm Concert Hall, (I can't recall the exact year now, but mid 70s). Half the set was guitar and half the set his Rubio "lute", (which projected very well). I was so proud, when I managed to copy Mudarra's Fantasia X from the record and play it convincingly, especially the dissonant passage, and also the Washa Mesa. Whatever one thinks about his antics, looking at his performances on video, his playing may look awkward. (I believe he was mainly self taught), but there is no question about his dedication. Of course, compared to John Williams, he didn't reach his level, but he was a true musician and did enormously to propagate the guitar mainly, but somehow also the lute, even though he was criticized for not being HIP enough, (metal frets and all). I still believe the lute today, would not have been the same without him, and the guitar certainly not. Happy to live in an age, where with a click, I can recall the many performances, interviews and documentaries he made, mainly on the guitar but also a few rare ones on the lute. In later years, I think he played on more HIP instruments and also on the baroque guitar. Que descanses en paz Maestro! On Fri, Aug 14, 2020 at 9:18 PM Rainer <[1]rads.bera_g...@t-online.de> wrote: [2]https://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-53777949 To get on or off this list see list information at [3]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. mailto:rads.bera_g...@t-online.de 2. https://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-53777949 3. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: e vs c
Varietie uses r. This seems to have been an English improvement. Continental Mertel f. ex is notorious for using and confusing c and e G. -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Lute tomorrow on BBC 3
Matthew Wadsworth at the York Early Music Festival [1]The Early Music Show From the 2020 York Early Music Online Festival, lutenist Matthew Wadsworth plays music by Dowland, Piccinini, Giovanni Kapsperger, and Francesco da Milano. The lute and its larger cousin the theorbo have a long association with fantasy, whether in the improvisatory works of de Visee and Piccinini or the more formal contrapuntal creations of John Dowland and Robert Johnson. Matthew Wadsworth brings these strands together, along with Echoes in Air, a new piece written specially for him by Laura Snowden. 02 August 2020 14 hrs GMT 59 minutes -- References 1. https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b006tn49 To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Giononcelli
Gerbode has a clean facsimile of 1650 il liuto: [1]http://gerbode.net/facsimiles/GianoncelliB/Il_Liuto_1650/ G. -- References 1. http://gerbode.net/facsimiles/GianoncelliB/Il_Liuto_1650/ To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Spanish harp in this whole mix
Yes, some very nice music there! Turlough O' Carolan's music sounds excellent on the lute and even on the guitar. I'm surprised it is not more known and played. G. On Tue, Jul 21, 2020 at 11:04 PM guy_and_liz Smith <[1]guy_and_...@msn.com> wrote: I think this is what you are referring to: [2]https://www.guitarandlute.com/celtic.html . Guy -Original Message- From: [3]lute-...@new-old-mail.cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:[4]lute-...@new-old-mail.cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of G. C. Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2020 2:23 PM To: [5]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Subject: [LUTE] Re: Spanish harp in this whole mix Didn't Allan Alexander edit some Turlough O' Carolan for lute? On Tue, Jul 21, 2020 at 10:12 PM David Brown <[1][6]arpali...@gmail.com> wrote: I haven't seen the saz and veena in Mersenne! That's great and shows how little they have changed. Where is the steel guitar?. I assume you mean Irish harp music Good question given proximity of Irish harpers to lutes at court. -- References 1. mailto:[7]arpali...@gmail.com To get on or off this list see list information at [8]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. mailto:guy_and_...@msn.com 2. https://www.guitarandlute.com/celtic.html 3. mailto:lute-...@new-old-mail.cs.dartmouth.edu 4. mailto:lute-...@new-old-mail.cs.dartmouth.edu 5. mailto:lute@cs.dartmouth.edu 6. mailto:arpali...@gmail.com 7. mailto:arpali...@gmail.com 8. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Spanish harp in this whole mix
Didn't Allan Alexander edit some Turlough O' Carolan for lute? On Tue, Jul 21, 2020 at 10:12 PM David Brown <[1]arpali...@gmail.com> wrote: I haven't seen the saz and veena in Mersenne! That's great and shows how little they have changed. Where is the steel guitar?. I assume you mean Irish harp music Good question given proximity of Irish harpers to lutes at court. -- References 1. mailto:arpali...@gmail.com To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Les charmes de la vie - Watteau
PS. The other hidden arm is holding the instrument, stabilizing it. On Fri, Jul 17, 2020 at 6:06 PM G. C. <[1]kalei...@gmail.com> wrote: +++ Normally you would be plucking the string to hear if it were in tune. But the way his hand is positioned, it is conceivable that he could pluck the string with the thumb to check if it was in tune, as well as use the same thumb and index to tighten the peg no? G. -- To get on or off this list see list information at [2]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. mailto:kalei...@gmail.com 2. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Les charmes de la vie - Watteau
+++ Normally you would be plucking the string to hear if it were in tune. But the way his hand is positioned, it is conceivable that he could pluck the string with the thumb to check if it was in tune, as well as use the same thumb and index to tighten the peg no? G. -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Les charmes de la vie - Watteau
He is obviously using his left hand thumb for something. On the petit jueu it seems. Maybe plucking a string in the tuning process. G -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Wigmore Hall Recital
For some more destarvation, this one (by a list member) is also very nice. Particularly "Woodycock" at 6:15 Good job guys! [1]https://youtu.be/bvyz2tBi6XQ -- References 1. https://youtu.be/bvyz2tBi6XQ To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Advantages of .ft3 over earlier version of fronimo
My pet peeve with Fronimo, although I love the program, is that it never implemented midi sound while editing. This makes it so much easier to hear any mistakes or faults in the encoding process. Alain Veylit implemented this all the way back to since even Plucker (?) but certainly Stringwalker, more than millennium change back. Enormous thanks to both for making life and lute tablature editing such a magnificent and joyful venture! We owe them both so very much. (Not forgetting Wayne and tab, where it all started?) The intercompatibility of these programs is really just wonderful. My heartfelt thanks to you legends! G. -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Bartolotti music for theorbo
So people on this list, are playing Renaissance and Baroque music because they have the records? H G. -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Bartolotti music for theorbo
What are 80 years? We are still enjoying playing and listening to Beatles and Stones music, near 60 years old. And even older Jazz music. Why would people in the 17th century have been any different? G. -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Lute strap
I am surprized, that noone has yet mentioned the type of strap that you sat on. It seems like a very effective solution. And can anybody remind me of the name of that modern X-strap at the back, which seems like the optimal solution? G. -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] JSTOR
Jstor is open until 30th of June for 100 articles per month with simple registration. Reading online only. G. -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Sixteenth century lute treatises by Hiroyuki Minamino
I am most grateful to Barroso for naming Minamino. And Kakinami for pointing us to the [1]escholarship.org site, containing so many interesting articles by a lute scholar I was not aware of. Especially, as the focus of those articles are the "viola da mano", Gioan Maria, Francesco and Borgias, Aragonese and Napoli, Tinctoris, Paumann, tablature, Shultbach, Pesaro 1441, it all plays out like an intriguing, potential Hollywood story or book project. 39 downloadable pdf's by Minamino, give a very comprehensive view into his research into that part of lute history. The footnotes of these articles are very comprehensive. These papers and LSA articles are highly convincing, as is the ample Gian Maria Hebreo / Germanus research, all very well referenced. Speculation gives good stories, but much of this is quite convincing. Thanks! G. On Tue, Apr 21, 2020 at 11:24 AM Guilherme Barroso <[2]guilhermesbarr...@gmail.com> wrote: Dear Toshiaki Thanks for your reply. There are very interesting articles there but i could not find the thesis i am looking for in that link. Em ter., 21 de abr. de 2020 à s 12:04, T.Kakinami <[1][3]tk...@orchid.plala.or.jp> escreveu: You mean ? [2][4]https://escholarship.org/search?q=Minamino%2C%20Hiroyuki%E3%80 %80 Sixteenth%2 0 Toshiaki Kakinami -Original Message- From: [3][5]lute-...@new-old-mail.cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:[4][6]lute-...@new-old-mail.cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of Guilherme Barroso Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2020 6:01 PM To: LuteList Subject: [LUTE] Sixteenth century lute treatises by Hiroyuki Minamino Dear collective, Would anyone of you have a pdf from the thesisSixteenth century lute treatises by Hiroyuki Minamino? Or maybe have an idea where i could find it? Thanks a lot and stay healthy! -- Guilherme dos Santos Barroso [1][5][7]www.guilherme-barroso.com -- References 1. [6][8]http://www.guilherme-barroso.com/ To get on or off this list see list information at [7][9]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- Guilherme dos Santos Barroso Hagenbachstrasse 36 CH-4052 Basel Schweiz Tel: +41 767488925 [8][10]www.guilherme-barroso.com -- References 1. mailto:[11]tk...@orchid.plala.or.jp 2. [12]https://escholarship.org/search?q=Minamino, HiroyukiãSixteenth%2 3. mailto:[13]lute-...@new-old-mail.cs.dartmouth.edu 4. mailto:[14]lute-...@new-old-mail.cs.dartmouth.edu 5. [15]http://www.guilherme-barroso.com/ 6. [16]http://www.guilherme-barroso.com/ 7. [17]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html 8. [18]http://www.guilherme-barroso.com/ -- References 1. http://escholarship.org/ 2. mailto:guilhermesbarr...@gmail.com 3. mailto:tk...@orchid.plala.or.jp 4. https://escholarship.org/search?q=Minamino, Hiroyukiã 5. mailto:lute-...@new-old-mail.cs.dartmouth.edu 6. mailto:lute-...@new-old-mail.cs.dartmouth.edu 7. http://www.guilherme-barroso.com/ 8. http://www.guilherme-barroso.com/ 9. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html 10. http://www.guilherme-barroso.com/ 11. mailto:tk...@orchid.plala.or.jp 12. https://escholarship.org/search?q=Minamino 13. mailto:lute-...@new-old-mail.cs.dartmouth.edu 14. mailto:lute-...@new-old-mail.cs.dartmouth.edu 15. http://www.guilherme-barroso.com/ 16. http://www.guilherme-barroso.com/ 17. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html 18. http://www.guilherme-barroso.com/
[LUTE] Re: Double Top
How in the world would such a lute look like? And how would you be able to tune the second set? Maybe he meant something like the Mace double lute? (Dipharion?) On Wed, Mar 25, 2020 at 10:05 PM Mathias Rösel <[1]mathias.roe...@t-online.de> wrote: Anthony Bailes mentioned Marin Mersenne, Harmonie Universelle (1636), who speaks about the possibility of building a lute with two soundboards with strings on both of them, gut strings on one, metal strings on the other (that's about resonance, I suppose). (Lute News 85, April 2008) Mathias -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [2]lute-...@new-old-mail.cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:[3]lute-...@new-old-mail.cs.dartmouth.edu] Im Auftrag von David Smith Gesendet: Mittwoch, 25. März 2020 20:16 An: Joachim Lüdtke; [4]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Betreff: [LUTE] Re: Double Top I have heard both sandwiched and double top used. The term double top is more common in the states. David -Original Message- From: [5]lute-...@new-old-mail.cs.dartmouth.edu <[6]lute-...@new-old-mail.cs.dartmouth.edu> On Behalf Of Joachim Lüdtke Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2020 9:56 AM To: [7]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Subject: [LUTE] Re: Double Top Dear David, dear list, I was a bit puzzled at first because I know the term double top, but only pointing to instruments like e.g. Marcard guitars with a second, 'interior' soundboard. What you describe is what I think is usually called a sandwiched soundboard. Is my terminology too limited or do I use it too strictly? A few weeks ago, before the darn Corona guy rode into town, there were guitar days here in the Hochschule für Kunst und Musik in Bremen, and there were young builders showing their recently finished guitars, and one of the guitar teachers of the Hochschule playing a few measures on each of them. Most sounded excellent, and I am ashamed to say that I couldn't make much difference between the majority of the sounds, neither did I ask for prices ⦠Best from the Hanseatics Joachim -Original-Nachricht- Betreff: [LUTE] Re: Double Top Datum: 2020-03-25T17:44:36+0100 Von: "David Smith" <[8]d...@dolcesfogato.com> An: "Tristan von Neumann" <[9]tristanvonneum...@gmx.de>, "[10]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu" <[11]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu> That cost is what a master builder charges for classical guitars - 10k-20k is pretty normal. The cost of doing a double top is really not that high. The materials are not expensive and vacuum is used for a lot of other things in the shop. I use it for attaching bridges and holding instruments while French polishing. The Dammann price is based on his reputation and not on it being a double top. You should be able to find good quality double tops starting around 3-4k. As to using it on a lute, you have to like the sound of it because it is clearly not historical. I, personally, do not like the sound of double tops that much. They sacrifice character for volume, imho. But, if you are trying to fill a concert hall without a microphone then there are already a lot of sacrifices being made and the double top is just one more. For a more intimate setting I think it is overkill. The bracing from Trevor Gore (Falcate system - [12]https://goreguitars.com.au/main/page_innovation_summary_falcate_ bracing.html) is more interesting. It makes for a very even sound throughout the instrument and provides more volume as well. Would I use it on a lute. Not likely. Anyway, some random thoughts. David -Original Message- From: [13]lute-...@new-old-mail.cs.dartmouth.edu <[14]lute-...@new-old-mail.cs.dartmouth.edu> On Behalf Of Tristan von Neumann Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2020 9:18 AM To: [15]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Subject: [LUTE] Re: Double Top For that money, I'd buy a Lute consort... I don't see any advantage... On 25.03.20 11:40, Jurgen Frenz wrote: > I read about the process to make such an instrument - from memory the two slices are glued together under vacuum, to me it sounds like quite a costly process. The guitars made by the inventor of this technology Matthias Dammann cost 15 000 ⬠a pop. > > Jürgne > > > > > âââââââ Original Message âââââââ > On Wednesday, March 25, 2020 2:04 AM, Mark Probert <[16]probe...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> John wrote: >> >>> Question is, has this been tried on a lute? Are there any luthiers >>> interested in trying? >> Interesting technology. As applied to a lute? Not so sure. >> I suspect someone will but most won't as there is not really any >> advantage and much
[LUTE] Re: Milan's name - Postludium to the CODA
That is the "crunch" isn't it. The two da Milano books (one in italian, one in neapolitan tablature, and the ONLY extant one) and El Maestro, appearing almost simultaneously, also here with a completely new and exclusive paradigm. None of which caught on mysteriously. After all they were printed books, which should have had some substantial circulation one would think. Someone should definitely look into this... G. PS. Naples was not in Aragonese hands in this epoch, and Milán could not very probably have visited/influenced/been influenced? Yo no sé... G. -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Milan's name - Postludium to the CODA
I meant to say: "An improvement to neapolitan tab" (Which was in Valencian hands at the time) (Also only one remaining ms. and de Milano at that!) It's fascinating to think of what influences were at work there.) G. On Thu, Jan 9, 2020 at 8:23 PM G. C. <[1]kalei...@gmail.com> wrote: Pavanas in italian style, songs in italian, italianate music in a general sense, etc. etc. I don't understand this tip-toeing around the fact that Milan was heavily influenced by Italian art and (lutenist) culture, as many were around this time. And also his surname, which I cannot see has satisfyingly been explained yet. Not to speak about the fascinating Valencian tablature, an improvement (in my view) to italian tab which just didn't catch on. Are we afraid of steping on some misguided Spanish sense of honour and ownership for one of the early vihuelists here? Just intrigued G. -- To get on or off this list see list information at [2]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. mailto:kalei...@gmail.com 2. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Milan's name - Postludium to the CODA
Pavanas in italian style, songs in italian, italianate music in a general sense, etc. etc. I don't understand this tip-toeing around the fact that Milan was heavily influenced by Italian art and (lutenist) culture, as many were around this time. And also his surname, which I cannot see has satisfyingly been explained yet. Not to speak about the fascinating Valencian tablature, an improvement (in my view) to italian tab which just didn't catch on. Are we afraid of steping on some misguided Spanish sense of honour and ownership for one of the early vihuelists here? Just intrigued G. -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Milan's name
Dear Mathias, could you kindly explain to me, why Milan's surname could not possibly imply that his family roots might have been from Milano? G. -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Android OS software
people don't know how to optimize them. :) On Mon, Jan 6, 2020 at 12:22 AM G. C. <[1]kalei...@gmail.com> wrote: Yes, pdf reigns. It's solid. It has drawbacks, like... -- References 1. mailto:kalei...@gmail.com To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Android OS software
Yes, pdf reigns. It's solid. It has drawbacks, like... -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Pierre Gaultier & Francois Richard
mere^1 /mêÃ/ adjective 1. used to emphasize how small or insignificant someone or something is. On Fri, Dec 20, 2019 at 10:25 PM Stephan Olbertz <[1]stephan.olbe...@web.de> wrote: Hm, real critical editions or mere typeset copies? Regards Stephan Am 20. Dezember 2019 21:09:12 MEZ schrieb Nancy Carlin <[2]lsaq.edi...@gmail.com>: The LSA has just finished publishing all of Doug Towne's edition of Weiss's London manuscript and we plan to publish next Pierre Gaultier's Les Ouvres 1638 and Francois Richard's Airs de Cour, 1637 - also in editions made by Doug. We are looking for someone to write a short introductions to these 2 collections of music - where they fit into the world of lute music, etc. We are also looking for a couple of more people to write CD reviews. If you are interested in doing any of this please email me. Nancy Carlin -- Diese Nachricht wurde von meinem Android-Gerà ¤t mit K-9 Mail gesendet. -- To get on or off this list see list information at [3]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. mailto:stephan.olbe...@web.de 2. mailto:lsaq.edi...@gmail.com 3. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Capirola & buzzing like bray pins?
To my ears, this sound, not unlike the sympathetic strings on the sitar, are rather interesting as a novelty. In the long run, I would probably grow tired of it, and yearn for the natural "silvery" sounding lute. But in small doses, absolutely! Perhaps combined with the famous thimbles? :) I have noticed the same effect on my silent guitar, when the strings are lowered too much, but not so defined. Quite pleasant in fact. G. -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] BWV 1004 Chaconne
Dear list,
I've looked in vain, in the archives, for the "best" version of Bach's
chaconne. Remembering that there was a controversy in its day between
guitarists Segovia and Williams on how to execute the piece,
(interpreter-intermediary and all that), I was wondering if anyone on
this list can recommend a version which follows Bach's intentions in a
good way, also being idiomatic and not overly edited ("stripped", less
is more kind of, without being just an edition of the violin version.)
Tuning (Dm-vieil tone) is not an issue.
BR
G.
[1]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jMR_4KhbBc8 1:26
[2]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jcy7E4uHYK8
[3]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LtjtuljFPa8
[4]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sdi1kf0mfi8
[5]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AuY3KTm9HoE
[6]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-b3nwrWTNOA
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References
1. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jMR_4KhbBc8
2. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jcy7E4uHYK8
3. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LtjtuljFPa8
4. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sdi1kf0mfi8
5. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AuY3KTm9HoE
6. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-b3nwrWTNOA
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[LUTE] Re: [ann] Kalmar 21.068 edition
Nice work Mark! Thanks G. On Tue, Sep 3, 2019 at 10:13 AM Mark Probert <[1]probe...@gmail.com> wrote: Hi, all. For want of something to do I've created an edition of the Kalmar 21.068 manuscript. While most done for my own amusement (I wanted to learn how to use TAB properly, etc.) I realize it may be of interest to others as well. If you are not familiar with the manuscript, it is a collection of 17th C pieces for 11c lute, mostly in Dm tuning, for an amateur player. Most of the tunes are from French sources (the usual suspects) but there are also some from Losy and others that are unique to this collection. The edition, along with the fasc and TAB sources, can be found at [2]https://archsys.net/pages/lute-music/ A direct link to the edition is here [3]https://archsys.net/files/music/Kalmar21068.pdf While there has been some quality control, I can't guarantee you won't run across errors. If you do, please let me know and I'll correct away! Kind regards ..mark. To get on or off this list see list information at [4]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. mailto:probe...@gmail.com 2. https://archsys.net/pages/lute-music/ 3. https://archsys.net/files/music/Kalmar21068.pdf 4. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: thumb in or out???
Nigel North has a relaxed thumb out playing style. Notice how the pinky wanders! [1]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QAuj1_wqsbk G. -- References 1. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QAuj1_wqsbk To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: thumb in or out???
Well. Single strung lute. Rather special right hand technique with thumb in, but the rest of the fingers employed more like a guitarist. I would say it was neither, nor really. To me, his right hand did not give a "relaxed" impression. But musically, he played the bwv 995 suite (the one most accessible to plucked instruments) well, albeit with some glitches and rattles. I assume, that one will find a great number of different styles and personal quirks among players when it comes to TI or TO and combinations thereof, depending on the instrument, mensur, how it is strung, holding, string material, nail size a.s.o. G. -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: RH folk style
Ha-ha :)) Way too rich for my intelligence Howard. I'm afraid I don't have the necessary "anglican" baggage to get those answers. In another vein, the 50th aniversary of the Woodstock festival got cancelled! I don't mind about Miley Cyrus, but Santana 50 years later would surely have been historically correct. Best G. On Thu, Aug 1, 2019 at 10:04 PM howard posner <[1]howardpos...@ca.rr.com> wrote: > On Aug 1, 2019, at 10:42 AM, G. C. <[2]kalei...@gmail.com> wrote: > >Always happy for answers And I'm happy to oblige with some of my favorite answers: "It's in his kiss" "O, reason not the need: our basest beggars Are in the poorest thing superfluous." "Ehyeh Asher Ehyeh" "Put a piece of cheese on the floor and you'll find out." "!" "What is hateful to you, do not do to your neighbor. This is the entire Torah; the rest is commentary. Go learn." "I knew if I stayed around long enough, something like this would happen" No prizes will be awarded for knowing the questions; this isn't "Jeopardy!" To get on or off this list see list information at [3]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. mailto:howardpos...@ca.rr.com 2. mailto:kalei...@gmail.com 3. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: RH folk style
Eloquently said Ron, as always! G. tor. 1. aug. 2019 kl. 21.28 skrev Ron Andrico <[1]praelu...@hotmail.com>: Relax, Howard. No one is on trial here. Perhaps anathema is a less apt choice to describe alternatives to a right-hand position for playing post-1600 repertory on proper lutes. But for all intents and purposes, thumb-under technique is certainly not an historically appropriate right-hand position for what we call baroque lute. That is not to say it was never used, but Besard (Dowland) and Vallet, said it in print, and there are countless pictorial representations from the period that strongly suggest the right-hand thumb was very, very much out. This is a difficult truth to countenance for all those notable soldiers of the famous 1970s thumb-under brigade, who fought long and loudly to distinguish themselves from lute-dabbling classical guitarists (even to the point of eschewing the wearing of the ceremonial black turtleneck), but it is a truth nonetheless. I'll say it here: Based upon the body of surviving evidence from the period, lutes with diapasons designed to be used for post-1600 music were historically intended to be played with the right-hand thumb out, not under. RA __ From: [2]lute-...@new-old-mail.cs.dartmouth.edu <[3]lute-...@new-old-mail.cs.dartmouth.edu> on behalf of howard posner <[4]howardpos...@ca.rr.com> Sent: Thursday, August 1, 2019 5:18 PM To: Lutelist <[5]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu> Subject: [LUTE] Re: RH folk style I'm not aware of anyone on this stating categorically that thumb-in is anathema on the d-minor lute. But I could easily have missed it, or deleted it and forgotten about it. I tend not to waste time dealing with categorical statements about how every player in history played the same way. And if, by chance, I've ever written anything here in the last 25 years that sounds like a categorical statement about the way every player, ever, played the same way, chalk it up to sloppy writing (or thinking), delete it, and forget about it. > On Aug 1, 2019, at 9:23 AM, G. C. <[6]kalei...@gmail.com> wrote: > > People on this list f. ex.? To get on or off this list see list information at [1][7]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. [8]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. mailto:praelu...@hotmail.com 2. mailto:lute-...@new-old-mail.cs.dartmouth.edu 3. mailto:lute-...@new-old-mail.cs.dartmouth.edu 4. mailto:howardpos...@ca.rr.com 5. mailto:lute@cs.dartmouth.edu 6. mailto:kalei...@gmail.com 7. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html 8. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: RH folk style
I don't play the baroque lute myself, and don't have any interest in maintaining or propagating any "written in stone" statements about playing styles, string materials, hip or not hip, nails, temperaments or whatever. On the contrary, I'm for a "free for all" in this respect. On the other hand, I'm a member on this list, because there is such a vast knowledge to be found among its members when it comes to anything plucked and especially the search for answers concerning how it was done originally. In this context, I'm quite certain, that the thumb-in, thumb-out discussions when it comes to baroque lute playing have been numerous here throughout the years. Not wanting to open any can of worms, it still seems logical, that due to the greater width on a BL, thumb out looks like the right procedure for this instrument. I think Dowland even had a say. Runs are of course another matter, and one certainly doesn't exclude the other. Always happy for answers G. -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: RH folk style
People on this list f. ex.? G. tor. 1. aug. 2019 kl. 18.20 skrev howard posner <[1]howardpos...@ca.rr.com>: > On Aug 1, 2019, at 8:17 AM, G. C. <[2]kalei...@gmail.com> wrote: > >I thought thumb in on baroque lute was considered anathema? Considered by whom? -- References 1. mailto:howardpos...@ca.rr.com 2. mailto:kalei...@gmail.com To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: RH folk style
I thought thumb in on baroque lute was considered anathema? G. -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: RH folk style
Many guitarists have adopted some kind of thumb in playing style. Mark Knopfler and Jeff Beck come to mind. G. -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: octave strings
I've seen photos of this practice on modern lutes, and asked the list about it a year or two ago, but got no response. It must have some justification, as the practise is used even today. There must surely be someone here able to give a report, (or is it a "player's secret of some sort?) G. On Wed, Jul 31, 2019 at 8:46 PM Lex Eisenhardt <[1]lex.eisenha...@gmail.com> wrote: Anyone tried this method of octave string placement? [1][2]https://www.thekremercollection.com/theodoor-rombouts/ (press + to enlarge) -- References 1. [3]https://www.thekremercollection.com/theodoor-rombouts/ To get on or off this list see list information at [4]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. mailto:lex.eisenha...@gmail.com 2. https://www.thekremercollection.com/theodoor-rombouts/ 3. https://www.thekremercollection.com/theodoor-rombouts/ 4. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Test 9od temperament)
âWer nicht liebt Wein, Weib, Gesang, der bleibt ein Narr sein Leben lang" M. Luther (the old antisemite!) -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Wishful thinking on lute temparaments was Re: Lute Temperaments
Dear Howard, thanks for the coaching, but I have to say, that I really couldn't hear any significant difference. Only with the equal tuning one, which was different from the MT ones and more appealing somehow. It's probably due to age :) Best wishes G On Tue, Jul 23, 2019 at 1:34 AM howard posner <[1]howardpos...@ca.rr.com> wrote: You might go back and listen to the first F chord, the fourth note of the piece, in the quarter-comma tuning a few times, then listen to the same chord in any of the other meantone tunings. It's weird to the point of dissonance in the quarter-comma version, and very different from the others. Indeed, if I heard it another context I'd assume it was just out of tune. > On Jul 22, 2019, at 4:10 PM, G. C. <[2]kalei...@gmail.com> wrote: > >Dear Rainer, >when listening to Tarletone, which came in 4 versions, I have to say, >that to my ears, they all sounded virtually the same, at least the 3 MT >versions. >For some reason, my ears prefered the equal temperament one, although I >can't exactly say why. It felt more "crisp" if that says anything. >My + 60 year's hearing must probably be somewhat deteriorated, or >heavily indoctrinated. >Best wishes >G. >On Mon, Jul 22, 2019 at 11:49 AM Rainer <[1][3]rads.bera_g...@t-online.de> >wrote: > > Go to > [2][4]http://www.iupress.indiana.edu/product_info.php?products_id=80 798 > 8 > and press "Related Links". > I think there are other pages with vocal music in different tunings, > but I cannot remember. > Rainer > PS > We had this discussion not very long ago and apparently nobody has > changed his mind :( > >-- > > References > >1. mailto:[5]rads.bera_g...@t-online.de >2. [6]http://www.iupress.indiana.edu/product_info.php?products_id=80798 8 > > > To get on or off this list see list information at > [7]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. mailto:howardpos...@ca.rr.com 2. mailto:kalei...@gmail.com 3. mailto:rads.bera_g...@t-online.de 4. http://www.iupress.indiana.edu/product_info.php?products_id=80798 5. mailto:rads.bera_g...@t-online.de 6. http://www.iupress.indiana.edu/product_info.php?products_id=807988 7. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Wishful thinking on lute temparaments was Re: Lute Temperaments
Dear Rainer, when listening to Tarletone, which came in 4 versions, I have to say, that to my ears, they all sounded virtually the same, at least the 3 MT versions. For some reason, my ears prefered the equal temperament one, although I can't exactly say why. It felt more "crisp" if that says anything. My + 60 year's hearing must probably be somewhat deteriorated, or heavily indoctrinated. Best wishes G. On Mon, Jul 22, 2019 at 11:49 AM Rainer <[1]rads.bera_g...@t-online.de> wrote: Go to [2]http://www.iupress.indiana.edu/product_info.php?products_id=80798 8 and press "Related Links". I think there are other pages with vocal music in different tunings, but I cannot remember. Rainer PS We had this discussion not very long ago and apparently nobody has changed his mind :( -- References 1. mailto:rads.bera_g...@t-online.de 2. http://www.iupress.indiana.edu/product_info.php?products_id=807988 To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Bandora tuning
Kindly correct the following if wrong: "The bandora is / was tuned a-e-c-G-D-C, resulting in easy conversion to guitar tuning (e-h-g-d-A-G-(EE) and playing of tablature written for bandora on the guitar." G. -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Julian Bream on Lute
Ha-ha-ha LOL That was indeed funny Dan! But seriously, sending mails to the list, that just accumulate obsolete text is just as irritating as sending multiple mails or html format, and IMO just plain laziness. It uses up space, makes it, as Leonard says, hard to see the message, and probably qualifies as netiquette breach big style. But this matter has been voiced many, many times, and to no avail, sadly. I often wonder, why this problem cannot be dealt with automatically by setting up the mail robot? Best wishes G. -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Julian Bream on Lute
Because people are superlazy, and don't crop their mails, but just add their message and happy posting! Aaaarggghh G. On Fri, Jun 28, 2019 at 12:36 AM Ed Durbrow <[1]edurb...@sea.plala.or.jp> wrote: Why are these messages so long? I have to scroll forever just to get to the top to read a one-sentence post. Ed Durbrow Saitama, Japan [2]http://www.youtube.com/user/edurbrow?feature=watch [3]https://soundcloud.com/ed-durbrow [4]http://www9.plala.or.jp/edurbrow/ -- To get on or off this list see list information at [5]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. mailto:edurb...@sea.plala.or.jp 2. http://www.youtube.com/user/edurbrow?feature=watch 3. https://soundcloud.com/ed-durbrow 4. http://www9.plala.or.jp/edurbrow/ 5. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Julian Bream on Lute
So not only do lutenists spend 60 years tuning, they also spend 40 + years not getting the sound right! Oh my what a harsh mistress!!! G. On Sun, Jun 23, 2019 at 1:36 PM Leonard Williams <[1]arc...@cs.dartmouth.edu> wrote: Doctors and lawyers practice because they know what they're doing; I practice because I don't. (after 40 years, but you're way ahead of me , Martin!) Leonard Williams -Original Message- From: Alain Veylit <[2]al...@musickshandmade.com> To: Lute List <[3]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu> Sent: Sun, Jun 23, 2019 3:23 am Subject: [LUTE] Re: Julian Bream on Lute Isn't that what keeps it interesting though? On 6/22/19 1:50 PM, Martin Shepherd wrote: > This reminds me that even after 40 years I'm still hardly beginning to > understand how to do this. > To get on or off this list see list information at [1][4]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. [5]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. mailto:arc...@cs.dartmouth.edu 2. mailto:al...@musickshandmade.com 3. mailto:lute@cs.dartmouth.edu 4. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html 5. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Julian Bream on Lute
As proved with his despicable negligence and jealousy (?) towards Barrios! On Wed, Jun 19, 2019 at 11:19 AM Edward C. Yong <[1]edward.y...@gmail.com> wrote: I don't think Sevogia cared about anything other than his own stardom, really. This is the man who butchered de Visée's music and happily signed his own name on a Stradivarius guitar. Edward > On 19 Jun 2019, at 4:32 PM, G. C. <[2]kalei...@gmail.com> wrote: > >+++ Ponce (Mexico) got yelled at for faking earlymusic compositions > >People usually hate to be duped (as shown many years ago among our own >ranks). How those works could be attributed to Weiss can only be >ascribed to a lack of knowledge about Weiss' style at the time. I can't >understand how Segovia could be involved in such a scam. I recall that >Bream's lute records were quite adored at the time, and brought many >guitarists over to the lute. We shouldn't judge him by today's >standards and great advancements in lute construction and hip. I still >enjoy those records very much, but then, I still love the guitar as >much as the lute. :) > >G. > >-- > > > To get on or off this list see list information at > [3]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. mailto:edward.y...@gmail.com 2. mailto:kalei...@gmail.com 3. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Julian Bream on Lute
+++ Ponce (Mexico) got yelled at for faking early music compositions People usually hate to be duped (as shown many years ago among our own ranks). How those works could be attributed to Weiss can only be ascribed to a lack of knowledge about Weiss' style at the time. I can't understand how Segovia could be involved in such a scam. I recall that Bream's lute records were quite adored at the time, and brought many guitarists over to the lute. We shouldn't judge him by today's standards and great advancements in lute construction and hip. I still enjoy those records very much, but then, I still love the guitar as much as the lute. :) G. -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Bakfark
Valentin Bakfark's world w/ Jacob Heringman on BBC radio 3 this coming Sunday! [1]https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m0005sl4 G. -- References 1. https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m0005sl4 To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Herbert of Cherbury
Oh, and I forgot Alain Veylit's fine edition [1]http://fandango.musickshandmade.com/cherbury G. On Mon, May 13, 2019 at 3:26 PM G. C. <[2]kalei...@gmail.com> wrote: You're most welcome Lynda. His diary is downloadable in Google Books, a 14 page Jstor article by Thurston Dart is available in Scribd. Frank Gerbode has both a barely readable facsimile and a modern edition on his site. The Fitzwilliam Museum in Cambridge holds the manuscript. Best wishes G. G On Mon, May 13, 2019 at 3:15 PM Lynda Kraar <[1][3]guitargirl4scrab...@yahoo.com> wrote: That was exquisite! Thank you for sharing. [kraar+logo.png] Lynda Kraar, President Lynda Kraar & Associates U.S. Cell: 551-486-3772 Google Voice: [2]985-205-9632 (985-20-LYNDA) Skype: lyndakraar On May 11, 2019, at 2:14 PM, G. C. <[3][4]kalei...@gmail.com> wrote: By all means, don't miss tomorrow's BBC Radio 3 show on Herbert of Cherbury [1][4][5]https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m00051cb -- References Visible links: 1. [5][6]https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m00051cb Hidden links: 3. file://localhost/net/ifs-users/lute-arc/L27070-144TMP.html#m_1816631 363 475378645_DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2 To get on or off this list see list information at [6][7]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. mailto:[8]guitargirl4scrab...@yahoo.com 2. tel:985-205-9632 3. mailto:[9]kalei...@gmail.com 4. [10]https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m00051cb 5. [11]https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m00051cb 6. [12]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. http://fandango.musickshandmade.com/cherbury 2. mailto:kalei...@gmail.com 3. mailto:guitargirl4scrab...@yahoo.com 4. mailto:kalei...@gmail.com 5. https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m00051cb 6. https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m00051cb 7. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html 8. mailto:guitargirl4scrab...@yahoo.com 9. mailto:kalei...@gmail.com 10. https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m00051cb 11. https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m00051cb 12. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Herbert of Cherbury
You're most welcome Lynda. His diary is downloadable in Google Books, a 14 page Jstor article by Thurston Dart is available in Scribd. Frank Gerbode has both a barely readable facsimile and a modern edition on his site. The Fitzwilliam Museum in Cambridge holds the manuscript. Best wishes G. G On Mon, May 13, 2019 at 3:15 PM Lynda Kraar <[1]guitargirl4scrab...@yahoo.com> wrote: That was exquisite! Thank you for sharing. [kraar+logo.png] Lynda Kraar, President Lynda Kraar & Associates U.S. Cell: 551-486-3772 Google Voice: [2]985-205-9632 (985-20-LYNDA) Skype: lyndakraar On May 11, 2019, at 2:14 PM, G. C. <[3]kalei...@gmail.com> wrote: By all means, don't miss tomorrow's BBC Radio 3 show on Herbert of Cherbury [1][4]https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m00051cb -- References Visible links: 1. [5]https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m00051cb Hidden links: 3. file://localhost/net/ifs-users/lute-arc/L27070-144TMP.html#m_1816631363 475378645_DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2 To get on or off this list see list information at [6]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. mailto:guitargirl4scrab...@yahoo.com 2. tel:985-205-9632 3. mailto:kalei...@gmail.com 4. https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m00051cb 5. https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m00051cb 6. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Herbert of Cherbury
By all means, don't miss tomorrow's BBC Radio 3 show on Herbert of Cherbury [1]https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m00051cb -- References Visible links: 1. https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m00051cb Hidden links: 3. file://localhost/net/ifs-users/lute-arc/L27070-144TMP.html#m_1816631363475378645_DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2 To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Tablature
Thanks Ron, for reminding me of Coelho's site. There is SO much erudite and relevant material there! G. -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Da Milano
Personally I first learned modern guitar tablature, switched to French tab on the lute, then learned Italian tablature, and finally wrote a piece of software to convert Neapolitan tab to Spanish, Italian and/or French. And how great that you did Alain! I'm sure, we are ALL extremely thankful for your gargantuan work with tablature conversion! -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Neapolitan tablature (Was: Da Milano)
Back to the Sultzbach prints. I can't help to notice, that vol. 1 (italian tab) has only the playing instructions in italian, also printed in vol 2, while vol. 2 (neapolitan tab) has two additional dedications in latin. Both volumes have a latin end page, quoting the spanish king Carlos V, (which is pertinent to his neapolitan domain at the time). Vol. 1 is dated 25th of May 1536 and Vol. 2, August 1536. The latin dedication (which I can't read unfortunately) is also for a spaniard, Don Pedro de Toledo. There seems to be a "Toledo" clue here, as also the "Leonardi Schipani Dechasticum" quotes "Toletum". A translation of these 2 short pages would definitely be of help. ;) Could this imply, that the work might have come in two versions, one in italian and one in latin, and that only one of each has survived? And are these "strong" versions of Da Milano works? (I don't have in front of me how much of this material found its way into the Ness edition) B.R. G. -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Da Milano
Hi Christopher, you wrote: modern guitar tab basically derives from the system devised for Hawaiian slide guitar music around 1915. So they just reinvented it almost 400 years later? Yes, that sounds reasonable. G. -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Da Milano
Thanks for the info Matthew, I doubt that I'll find that article though :) I find it interesting though, that only one print in neapolitan tab, and one in spanish tab (Milán) survives, while today's guitar scene has been completely inundated with spanish tab while the lute world seems to favour french tablature. G On Tue, Dec 11, 2018 at 11:40 AM Matthew Daillie <[1]dail...@club-internet.fr> wrote: I would suggest reading Dinko Fabris's article 'The Origin of Italian Lute Tablature', if you can find it (it was published in in 2001 in Basler Jahrbuch für Historische Musikpraxis)! There are two lute pieces in Neapolitan tabulature in the Pesaro manuscript Ms. 1144 but that doesn't answer your question regarding printed sources other than da Milano's 1536 Libro secondo. Best, Matthew Le 11 déc. 2018 à 11:05, "G. C." <[2]kalei...@gmail.com> a écrit : > Found book 1 and It corresponds to Gerbode's facsimile. > >So, is volume 2 of Sulzbach the only print we have of neapolitan tab? >G. -- References 1. mailto:dail...@club-internet.fr 2. mailto:kalei...@gmail.com To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Da Milano
Found book 1 and It corresponds to Gerbode's facsimile. So, is volume 2 of Sulzbach the only print we have of neapolitan tab? G. -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Da Milano
I see now, that book 2 on Gerbode's site is effectively in neapolitan tab. What about book 1? G. -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Da Milano
Dear All, I'm looking for the two books in Neapolitan tab from 1536 Intavolatura de viola o vero lauto cio e Recercate, Canzone Francese, Motette, composto per lo Eccelente & Unico musico Francesco Milanese, non mai piu stampata Libro primo (secondo) della Fortuna, Naples 1536 There should be a Minkoff reprint from 1977 I can't recall seeing it on the net. Gerbode has the facs of two volumes by Sulzbach in italian tab, but I can't remember now if they correspond to the ones in neapolitan tab. Any suggestions? Best wishes G. -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Rosseter 450 yrs
Dear Rainer, many thanks for the Dowling paper (1932), which naturally deals mainly with the librarian's interest in the printing process of Dowland's second book as well as the proceedings of the litigation between East and Eastman. Unfortunately it sheds no light on why Rosseter was drawn into the court proceedings as a witness. I forgot to mention that the superb chromatic fantasia in question has also been recorded in a fine version by Jacob Heringman on his Pickering CD. G. On Sat, Oct 27, 2018 at 3:00 PM Rainer <[1]rads.bera_g...@t-online.de> wrote: On 27.10.2018 14:20, G. C. wrote: > Right Rainer! Could generosi also mean "generous"? A generous > rosicrucian? (Of an outstanding Dowland Fantasia?) > I have two related questions: > In New Grove's entry on Rosseter: > "In a lawsuit concerning Dowland's Second Booke of Songs in 1601 he > gave his age as 33."Anyone knows about this lawsuit? Was it > concerning Barley's publication? No. See Margaret Dowling's [sic!] paper about the lawsuit. I'll send a copy. Rainer > In Mylius "Grammatica" translates as chromatic. There is another > Grammatica in there by Montbuisson. Haven't played it - but I gather it > is therefore another chromatic piece I can add to my list? It's called "Grammatica Victoris Galli." -- References 1. mailto:rads.bera_g...@t-online.de To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Rosseter 450 yrs
Right Rainer! Could generosi also mean "generous"? A generous rosicrucian? (Of an outstanding Dowland Fantasia?) I have two related questions: In New Grove's entry on Rosseter: "In a lawsuit concerning Dowland's Second Booke of Songs in 1601 he gave his age as 33." Anyone knows about this lawsuit? Was it concerning Barley's publication? In Mylius "Grammatica" translates as chromatic. There is another Grammatica in there by Montbuisson. Haven't played it - but I gather it is therefore another chromatic piece I can add to my list? G. On Sat, Oct 27, 2018 at 2:12 PM Rainer <[1]rads.bera_g...@t-online.de> wrote: On 27.10.2018 12:18, G. C. wrote: > ... I'd very > much like to know the arguments for ascribing the said chromatic > fantasia to Rosseter as well as include it in my list of chromatic > pieces in the previous post on the subject. I'm sure the lute society > edition (which I unfortunately don't have) contains more info. In Mylius the piece appears as "Grammatica Rosideri Angli generosi" According to the LS edition this translates as "Chromatic piece by the English Gentleman Rosseter" This is somewhat far-fetched. Why should Rosiderus be Rosseter? There might be a connection to the Rosicrucian movement - which is somewhat far-fetched, too :) Rainer To get on or off this list see list information at [2]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. mailto:rads.bera_g...@t-online.de 2. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Rosseter 450 yrs
The chromatic fantasia by Rosseter, (~17:20 min. in the program), found in the Jane Pickering lute book on fol. 23v, (see Gerbode), has previously been attributed to Dowland. It undoubtedly is a great piece, and sounds a lot like Dowland to me! Other lute accompaniments (ascribed to Rosseter in the program), also have a distinct Dowland flavour. I gather that Campion/Rosseter in their song book from 1601 were capitalizing on Dowland's success with his own First Book from 1597. Are we talking plagiarism? Rosseter must have been a fine lutenist however, as he was hired by James I, (alongside Dowland). A rather small production of lute pieces by him survive in the Cambridge books as well as in continental collections (a. o. Mylius). I'd very much like to know the arguments for ascribing the said chromatic fantasia to Rosseter as well as include it in my list of chromatic pieces in the previous post on the subject. I'm sure the lute society edition (which I unfortunately don't have) contains more info. Chromatic lute pieces: Gostena Fantasia 25 Molinaro Fantasia 12 Dowland Forlorne Hope and Farewell Rosseter Fantasia (Pickering 23v/Mylius) Peter Phillips Dolorosa Pavan Aegidius #22 Galliard Picinnini Toccata Cromatica Castaldi Cromatica Corrente Gregorio Huwett Fantasia Nicolas Vallet Fantasya Mendiante Pietro Paolo Melli Capriccio Chromatico Bach BWV 997 fuga G. On Sat, Oct 27, 2018 at 10:28 AM G. C. <[1]kalei...@gmail.com> wrote: BBC's Early Music Show continues carrying the torch: Rosseter, Campion, Dowland, Johnson, Morley, Baxter, Barnaby [1][2]https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/mtsz G. -- References 1. [3]https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/mtsz To get on or off this list see list information at [4]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. mailto:kalei...@gmail.com 2. https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/mtsz 3. https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/mtsz 4. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Rosseter 450 yrs
BBC's Early Music Show continues carrying the torch: Rosseter, Campion, Dowland, Johnson, Morley, Baxter, Barnaby [1]https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/mtsz G. -- References 1. https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/mtsz To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Bach for viola and theorbo
Exactement! And well played IMO. :) On Sun, Sep 9, 2018 at 8:29 AM Lex van Sante <[1]lvansa...@gmail.com> wrote: Ma belle si ton âme/ Une jeune fillette/La Monica Lex van Sante Op 8 sep. 2018, om 22:41 heeft G. C. <[2]kalei...@gmail.com> het volgende geschreven: Who recognizes the theme starting on 36:21:))) On Sat, Sep 8, 2018 at 1:05 PM G. C. <[1][3]kalei...@gmail.com> wrote: Also well worth a listen, where the well balanced soundscape actually makes the plucker(s) audible: [2][4]https://www.bbc.co.uk/radio/play/m7lz -- References 1. [5]mailto:kalei...@gmail.com 2. [6]https://www.bbc.co.uk/radio/play/m7lz To get on or off this list see list information at [7]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. mailto:lvansa...@gmail.com 2. mailto:kalei...@gmail.com 3. mailto:kalei...@gmail.com 4. https://www.bbc.co.uk/radio/play/m7lz 5. mailto:kalei...@gmail.com 6. https://www.bbc.co.uk/radio/play/m7lz 7. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Bach for viola and theorbo
Who recognizes the theme starting on 36:21 :))) On Sat, Sep 8, 2018 at 1:05 PM G. C. <[1]kalei...@gmail.com> wrote: Also well worth a listen, where the well balanced soundscape actually makes the plucker(s) audible: [2]https://www.bbc.co.uk/radio/play/m7lz -- References 1. mailto:kalei...@gmail.com 2. https://www.bbc.co.uk/radio/play/m7lz To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Bach for viola and theorbo
Also well worth a listen, where the well balanced soundscape actually makes the plucker(s) audible: [1]https://www.bbc.co.uk/radio/play/m7lz -- References 1. https://www.bbc.co.uk/radio/play/m7lz To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Bach for viola and theorbo
BWV 995 / 1011 On Sat, Sep 8, 2018 at 12:24 PM G. C. <[1]kalei...@gmail.com> wrote: For some refreshing Bach, (@ BBC early music late) go to: [1][2]https://www.bbc.co.uk/radio/play/m8x2 The introduction starts at 1:16:55 G. -- References 1. [3]https://www.bbc.co.uk/radio/play/m8x2 To get on or off this list see list information at [4]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. mailto:kalei...@gmail.com 2. https://www.bbc.co.uk/radio/play/m8x2 3. https://www.bbc.co.uk/radio/play/m8x2 4. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Bach for viola and theorbo
For some refreshing Bach, (@ BBC early music late) go to: [1]https://www.bbc.co.uk/radio/play/m8x2 The introduction starts at 1:16:55 G. -- References 1. https://www.bbc.co.uk/radio/play/m8x2 To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Samuel Pepys
I just found out, that SP was the Harvey Weinstein of the 1660s! They obviously had no #metoo campaigns in those days. And completely different men-women relationships. It's quite strange to read his coded sexual passages in a spanish/french/latin mishmash. And the complete diary including those passages is hard to find. Though there is tis page: [1]http://www.pepys.info/bits2.html He's been mentioned often for his relevance in describing the music scene in Charles II reign (another oversexed regent apparently). Has anyone here seen the BBC2 television movie from 2003 "The private life of Samuel Pepys"? I'd very much like to see it. Best G. -- References 1. http://www.pepys.info/bits2.html To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: W. Cripps tab program
Try this one :) [1]http://gile.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/tab-serv/tablature.cgi?mus_266_fre nch/sienna_129.tab On Sat, Aug 11, 2018 at 8:50 PM, G. C. <[2]kalei...@gmail.com> wrote: Dear Alain, it's just Magnifique! Thanks! G. On Sat, Aug 11, 2018 at 8:37 PM, Alain Veylit <[3]al...@musickshandmade.com> wrote: This may be of interest to the aficionados of Wayne's tab program. Wayne's tab program produces very legible and elegant output and it is reasonably easy to input tablature quickly, without a heavy learning curve. On the downside, users have to install it the old way on their system, - which is not easy unless you are a command line pro on Linux, - and it does not have WYSYWYG interface. Thanks to new HTML5 tools and features, it is now possible to provide a browser based interface to the program that requires no installation and allows to check the PDFF output of the program directly on screen with a refresh button. Not totally WYSYWYG but pretty close. I am pleased to say that such an interface is now available at [4]http://tab.musickshandmade.com/tabs.html. I designed it on Firefox and tested it on Chrome (no idea if it works on Explorer). It is open to all without an account and is free of charge. If you are curious, feel free to give it a try. Note: Thanks to Sarge Gerbode who sent me a very large collection of tab format files some years ago, I was able to add about 2500 tab files to my site at [5]http://fandango.musickshandmade.com. A free account is required to access those. This makes it easy to import a tab file and edit it to your taste. Good weekend all, Alain To get on or off this list see list information at [6]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. http://gile.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/tab-serv/tablature.cgi?mus_266_french/sienna_129.tab 2. mailto:kalei...@gmail.com 3. mailto:al...@musickshandmade.com 4. http://tab.musickshandmade.com/tabs.html 5. http://fandango.musickshandmade.com/ 6. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: W. Cripps tab program
Dear Alain, it's just Magnifique! Thanks! G. On Sat, Aug 11, 2018 at 8:37 PM, Alain Veylit <[1]al...@musickshandmade.com> wrote: This may be of interest to the aficionados of Wayne's tab program. Wayne's tab program produces very legible and elegant output and it is reasonably easy to input tablature quickly, without a heavy learning curve. On the downside, users have to install it the old way on their system, - which is not easy unless you are a command line pro on Linux, - and it does not have WYSYWYG interface. Thanks to new HTML5 tools and features, it is now possible to provide a browser based interface to the program that requires no installation and allows to check the PDFF output of the program directly on screen with a refresh button. Not totally WYSYWYG but pretty close. I am pleased to say that such an interface is now available at [2]http://tab.musickshandmade.com/tabs.html. I designed it on Firefox and tested it on Chrome (no idea if it works on Explorer). It is open to all without an account and is free of charge. If you are curious, feel free to give it a try. Note: Thanks to Sarge Gerbode who sent me a very large collection of tab format files some years ago, I was able to add about 2500 tab files to my site at [3]http://fandango.musickshandmade.com. A free account is required to access those. This makes it easy to import a tab file and edit it to your taste. Good weekend all, Alain To get on or off this list see list information at [4]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. mailto:al...@musickshandmade.com 2. http://tab.musickshandmade.com/tabs.html 3. http://fandango.musickshandmade.com/ 4. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Pièce de Résistance
"I am sure Tristan isn't a troll." No, of course, pls. don't misunderstand! I was kind of volunteering as a troll! G. -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Pièce de Résistance
Irrespective of the ragas=renaissance pieces, (which I think is bollocks, and I've been playing the sitar since the early 70s) it is extremely bad nettiquette to publish mails to the list that have clearly been sent as private correspondance! Another question is: "What is S*P*A*M*? In my view Tristan's endless harping on of this clearly non-lute topic can easily be characterized as such. And what is a troll? Delicate question :) G. -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Composers you wish had a bigger legacy
Bulman Van Wilder Kemp -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: the oud so wild
Slightly Corrected. John Dowland (1563-1626) 01. What If I Never Speed? - 00:00:00 (Book 3) 02. Weep You No More Sad Fountains - 00:02:07 (Book 3) 03. Can She Excuse My Wrongs (Essex) - 00:03:20 (Book 1) 04. Come Heavy Sleep - 00:04:40 (Book 1) 05. Pavan XI - 00:07:29 06. Fine Knacks For Ladies - 00:10:29 (Book 2) 07. Go Crystal Tears - 00:11:21 (Book 1) 08. If my complaints (Digorie Piper) - 00:12:37 (Book 1) 09. Come again - 00:15:28 (Book 1) 10. A shepherd in a shade - 00:16:49 (Book 2) 11. Rest awhile you cruel cares - 00:18:02 (Book 1) 12. Allemande - 00:20:38 13. Clear or cloudy - 00:22:21 (Book 2) 14. Say, love - 00:23:41 (Book 3) 15. Shall I strive with words to move - 00:24:25 (Pilgrim's Solace) 16. Praise blindness, eyes - 00:26:08 (Book 2) 17. Dear, if you change - 00:27:35 (Book 1) 18. Sleep wayward thoughts - 00:28:53 (Book 1) 19. The lowest trees have tops - 00:30:28 (Book 3) 20. Unquiet thoughts - 00:31:54 (Book 1) 21. My heart and tongue were twins - 00:33:04 (Pilgrim's Solace) 22. Now O now I Needs Must Part (Frog) - 00:34:55 (Book 1) 23. Flow my tears (Lacrimae) - 00:36:07 (Book 2) 24. In this trembling shadow - 00:39:08 (Pilgrim's Solace) 25. Queen Elizabeth's Galliard - 00:40:48 26. Captain Dignore's Piper [sic] - 00:42:02 (See track 08) 27. Fantasia - 00:43:33 28. Fie on This Feigning - 00:47:24 (Book 3) 29. Time Stands Still - 00:48:17 (Book 3) 30. Pavan XXI - 00:50:28 31. Melancholy Galliard - 00:52:39 -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: the oud so wild
01. What If I Never Speed? - 00:00:00 02. Weep You No More Sad Fountains - 00:02:07 03. Can She Excuse My Wrongs - 00:03:20 04. Come Heavy Sleep - 00:04:40 05. Pavan XI - 00:07:29 06. Fine Knacks For Ladies - 00:10:29 07. Go Crystal Tears - 00:11:21 08. If my complaints - 00:12:37 09. Come again - 00:15:28 10. A shepherd in a shade - 00:16:49 11. Rest awhile you cruel cares - 00:18:02 12. Allemande - 00:20:38 13. Clear or cloudy - 00:22:21 14. Say, love - 00:23:41 15. Shall I strive with words to move - 00:24:25 16. Praise blindness, eyes - 00:26:08 17. Dear, if you change - 00:27:35 18. Sleep wayward thoughts - 00:28:53 19. The lowest trees have tops - 00:30:28 20. Unquiet thoughts - 00:31:54 21. My heart and tongue were twins - 00:33:04 22. Now O now I Needs Must Part (Frog) - 00:34:55 23. Flow my tears (Lacrimae) - 00:36:07 24. In this trembling shadow - 00:39:08 25. Queen Elizabeth's Galliard - 00:40:48 26. Captain Dignore's Piper [sic] - 00:42:02 27. Fantasia - 00:43:33 28. Feigh on This Failing - 00:47:24 29. Time Stands Still - 00:48:17 30. Pavan XXI - 00:50:28 31. Melancholy Galliard - 00:52:39 -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: the oud so wild
Neither uploader nor commentators seem to have a clue. Mr. Green man thinks they are lutes. Perhaps they are played by Captain Dignore's Piper [sic]. And you'd wish robots could play this "human"! No, I'd say capoed guitars by some quite competent players. I enjoyed it. And the oud player really resembles Tom Hanks. :) But what with the background soundtrack? Does it improve the listening experience? G. On Sat, Aug 4, 2018 at 12:05 AM, Alain Veylit <[1]al...@musickshandmade.com> wrote: Some comments on the YouTube page seemed to suggest the whole thing was synthetized sound (not human). Lack of awareness of what a real Renaissance lute looks like might support that supposition. On 08/03/2018 12:17 PM, G. C. wrote: They are playing on guitars, 3 or 4 of them. And what is that subliminal track in the back, with birds and electronic sounds? G. [1][2]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j1Sb-8kiAJA=1441s On Fri, Aug 3, 2018 at 6:49 AM, Alain Veylit <[2][3]al...@musickshandmade.com> wrote: It's all one big Muslim conspiracy: [3][4]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j1Sb-8kiAJ - yes, but which instrument are they playing exactly?? To get on or off this list see list information at [4][5]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. [6]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j1Sb-8kiAJA=1441s 2. mailto:[7]al...@musickshandmade.com 3. [8]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j1Sb-8kiAJ 4. [9]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. mailto:al...@musickshandmade.com 2. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j1Sb-8kiAJA=1441s 3. mailto:al...@musickshandmade.com 4. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j1Sb-8kiAJ 5. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html 6. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j1Sb-8kiAJA=1441s 7. mailto:al...@musickshandmade.com 8. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j1Sb-8kiAJ 9. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: the oud so wild
They are playing on guitars, 3 or 4 of them. And what is that subliminal track in the back, with birds and electronic sounds? G. [1]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j1Sb-8kiAJA=1441s On Fri, Aug 3, 2018 at 6:49 AM, Alain Veylit <[2]al...@musickshandmade.com> wrote: It's all one big Muslim conspiracy: [3]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j1Sb-8kiAJ - yes, but which instrument are they playing exactly?? To get on or off this list see list information at [4]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j1Sb-8kiAJA=1441s 2. mailto:al...@musickshandmade.com 3. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j1Sb-8kiAJ 4. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: chord names
Interestingly, the compendium is for spanish guitar of 5 courses, 2 pages about the 4 couse guitar and then the same again in catalan, but with improved diagrams. (The text says that the first version was made in 1586 already!) [1]https://www.lutesociety.org/uploads/baroque-guitar/amat/Amat.doc English translation of said book by Monica Hall I presume Open it with a newer words version to get all the diagrams. G. -- References 1. https://www.lutesociety.org/uploads/baroque-guitar/amat/Amat.doc To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: chord names
Juan Carlos Amat's little book Guitarra Espanola y Vandola (?) was published already in 1596 but the earliest surviving edition is from 1627. [1]https://imslp.org/wiki/Guitarra_espa%C3%B1ola%2C_y_vandola_(Amat%2C_ Juan_Carlos) -- References 1. https://imslp.org/wiki/Guitarra_española,_y_vandola_(Amat,_Juan_Carlos) To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: chord names
The guitarists spring to mind with their alfabetto and chord diagrams: Foscarini, Sanz, Pablo Minguet y Yrol etc. G. On Wed, Jul 25, 2018 at 2:54 PM, Leonard Williams <[1]arc...@verizon.net> wrote: As chordal music (as opposed to polyphonic) became more prevalent, and many modes became history, how were chords named? G maj, A min, ...? Tonic, dominant, etc? When did this start? Just curious. Regards, Leonard Williams -- To get on or off this list see list information at [2]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. mailto:arc...@verizon.net 2. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Portuguise gitar and Yamaha G1
The portuguese guitar I listened to, was played virtuoso, both melodic and chordal. And yes, I bet the performer had some thick callouses. I was surprised to se that he used thumb in technique. G On Fri, Jul 6, 2018 at 8:51 PM, G. C. <[1]kalei...@gmail.com> wrote: Hi Tristan, the Yamaha guitalele G1 looks like a miniature 6 string guitar and is nylon strung. I have small hands, so "La compagna" worked just fine, as well as Poulton #73 or a Bach prelude. I gut an annoying wrist pain after extensive playing though which was rather dissapointing! G On Fri, Jul 6, 2018 at 6:05 PM, Tristan von Neumann <[2]tristanvonneum...@gmx.de> wrote: How do you play on double metal strings? I recently tried to play lute pieces on a 12 string guitar, but I almost got blisters... I imagine on a small instrument the strings a thin and have quite some tension? What's Your technique? Am 05.07.2018 um 23:04 schrieb G. C.: Hi All, after attending a concert including a portuguise guitar, I was positively surprised to realise, that this rare metal strung instrument is also traditionally played using the thumb-in technique! And after aquiring a Yamaha G1 guitalele, I was equally surprised, that I could play difficult lute pieces satisfactorily on such a tiny and cheap instrument. (Getting a noticeable pain in the left wrist afterwards though, which was quite a deception!) G. -- References 1. mailto:kalei...@gmail.com 2. mailto:tristanvonneum...@gmx.de To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Portuguise gitar and Yamaha G1
Hi Tristan, the Yamaha guitalele G1 looks like a miniature 6 string guitar and is nylon strung. I have small hands, so "La compagna" worked just fine, as well as Poulton #73 or a Bach prelude. I gut an annoying wrist pain after extensive playing though which was rather dissapointing! G On Fri, Jul 6, 2018 at 6:05 PM, Tristan von Neumann <[1]tristanvonneum...@gmx.de> wrote: How do you play on double metal strings? I recently tried to play lute pieces on a 12 string guitar, but I almost got blisters... I imagine on a small instrument the strings a thin and have quite some tension? What's Your technique? Am 05.07.2018 um 23:04 schrieb G. C.: Hi All, after attending a concert including a portuguise guitar, I was positively surprised to realise, that this rare metal strung instrument is also traditionally played using the thumb-in technique! And after aquiring a Yamaha G1 guitalele, I was equally surprised, that I could play difficult lute pieces satisfactorily on such a tiny and cheap instrument. (Getting a noticeable pain in the left wrist afterwards though, which was quite a deception!) G. -- References 1. mailto:tristanvonneum...@gmx.de To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Portuguise gitar and Yamaha G1
Hi All, after attending a concert including a portuguise guitar, I was positively surprised to realise, that this rare metal strung instrument is also traditionally played using the thumb-in technique! And after aquiring a Yamaha G1 guitalele, I was equally surprised, that I could play difficult lute pieces satisfactorily on such a tiny and cheap instrument. (Getting a noticeable pain in the left wrist afterwards though, which was quite a deception!) G. -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: London Weiss manuscript is online
Yes, now it works. :) Great, thanks David G. On Wed, Jun 20, 2018 at 5:36 PM, David Smith <[1]d...@dolcesfogato.com> wrote: I just downloaded the entire manuscript with no problem. Images appear to be 4959x7017 (at least on the one I extracted from the PDF. It appears they fixed their download problem. David -- References 1. mailto:d...@dolcesfogato.com To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: London Weiss manuscript is online
I get "error retrieving pdf" :( On Wed, Jun 20, 2018 at 12:49 PM, Markus Lutz <[1]mar...@gmlutz.de> wrote: Dear Matthew, did that work for you? Tim and also me tested it, and it didn't work. But it could be possible, that they changed it already - what would be very good! Best regards Markus Am 20.06.2018 um 12:41 schrieb Matthew Daillie: Thanks Markus, You can download all the pages by clicking on the radio button next to 'Select some or all pages for download' in the Download dialogue box (accessible through button on bottom left of page) and then click the 'Select All' button on the thumbnail page which is opened. Best, Matthew On 20/06/2018 11:48, Markus Lutz wrote: Dear members of the baroque lute list, Tim Crawford has written, that now the London Weiss manuscript is online. It can be viewed and also be downloaded via the following link: [2]http://access.bl.uk/item/viewer/ark:/81055/vdc_100059002407. 0x01 It seems as if only downloading single jpgs works (at least for me). It is a very good scan, although the given resolution isn't that detailed. But you can look online into the pages in a very high resolution! Best regards Markus To get on or off this list see list information at [3]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- Markus Lutz SchulstraÃe 11 88422 Bad Buchau Tel 0 75 82 / 92 62 89 Fax 0 75 82 / 92 62 90 Mail [4]mar...@gmlutz.de -- References 1. mailto:mar...@gmlutz.de 2. http://access.bl.uk/item/viewer/ark:/81055/vdc_100059002407.0x01 3. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html 4. mailto:mar...@gmlutz.de
[LUTE] Re: Lute sighting !
Sweet, but what is that cool looking guitar he's playing on? G. On Wed, Mar 14, 2018 at 4:55 PM, Wayne <[1]wst...@cs.dartmouth.edu> wrote: [2]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9X2Y4VCa3qE= PLD098564FDA884E25 Sting sings James Taylor. (;-) To get on or off this list see list information at [3]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. mailto:wst...@cs.dartmouth.edu 2. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9X2Y4VCa3qE=PLD098564FDA884E25 3. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Calling all lute nerds...
Santamaria says at the end of his textbooks: "He who wishes to become a consummate performer must also devote himself to playing counterpoint of rhythmic elegance and melodic grace over plainsong and above all, over mensural song, and he must practice this little by little until he has made himself perfect in it: for this is the root and the source out of which issue all the accomplishments possible on the clavichord, besides the excellence and beauty it imparts to all the music one may play." This is the closest quote I could find therein pertinent to your query. B.R. G. On Sat, Mar 3, 2018 at 10:24 PM, G. C. <[1]kalei...@gmail.com> wrote: Could the quote perhaps be found in "El arte de taner fantasia" by Tomas Santamaria? G. On Sat, Mar 3, 2018 at 7:39 PM, Matthew Daillie <[1][2]dail...@club-internet.fr> wrote: Hi Martin, Several vihuelists seemed to say something along those lines but I suspect that the quote you might be looking for is by Fuenllana: 'My opinion is that whoever truly wishes to learn music should always train himself in studying and transcribing composed works, since the true profit is obtained from them. And if the fantasias in this book have some fragrance of composition, I confess the reason to be that I have seen and transcribed many works of excellent authors.' Do you have Luis Gasser's book 'Luis Milan on Sixteenth Century Performance Practice? If so, look up page 113 ff. Best, Matthew On 03/03/2018 19:20, Martin Shepherd wrote: Dear Collective Wisdom, Can someone point me in the correct direction for the quote (from Bermudo? Milan? someone else entirely?) who said roughly (in translation) "but the highest form of this art is to play fantasia" or something like that, meaning to take a theme or themes from vocal music and use them to create an instrumental piece. Merci d'avance, Martin To get on or off this list see list information at [2][3]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. mailto:[4]dail...@club-internet.fr 2. [5]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. mailto:kalei...@gmail.com 2. mailto:dail...@club-internet.fr 3. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html 4. mailto:dail...@club-internet.fr 5. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Calling all lute nerds...
Could the quote perhaps be found in "El arte de taner fantasia" by Tomas Santamaria? G. On Sat, Mar 3, 2018 at 7:39 PM, Matthew Daillie <[1]dail...@club-internet.fr> wrote: Hi Martin, Several vihuelists seemed to say something along those lines but I suspect that the quote you might be looking for is by Fuenllana: 'My opinion is that whoever truly wishes to learn music should always train himself in studying and transcribing composed works, since the true profit is obtained from them. And if the fantasias in this book have some fragrance of composition, I confess the reason to be that I have seen and transcribed many works of excellent authors.' Do you have Luis Gasser's book 'Luis Milan on Sixteenth Century Performance Practice? If so, look up page 113 ff. Best, Matthew On 03/03/2018 19:20, Martin Shepherd wrote: Dear Collective Wisdom, Can someone point me in the correct direction for the quote (from Bermudo? Milan? someone else entirely?) who said roughly (in translation) "but the highest form of this art is to play fantasia" or something like that, meaning to take a theme or themes from vocal music and use them to create an instrumental piece. Merci d'avance, Martin To get on or off this list see list information at [2]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. mailto:dail...@club-internet.fr 2. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: looking for 2 lute sources
Sorry for the wrong pronounciation, I of course meant NIGGARDLY! On Thu, Feb 22, 2018 at 10:19 PM, G. C. <[1]kalei...@gmail.com> wrote: If you could somehow direct the Swedish government to send your taxes to the Polish Jagielloà ska Biblioteka Cyfrowa, all would be well. And I'm sure they would appreciate the support. RA I'm sure Jagielloà ska is recieving their fair share of EU funds! But they are the good guys, having digitized many important (for us) manuscripts. I'm complaining about those smallish, niggerly ones, who definitely live in the past :) G. -- References 1. mailto:kalei...@gmail.com To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: looking for 2 lute sources
If you could somehow direct the Swedish government to send your taxes to the Polish Jagielloà ska Biblioteka Cyfrowa, all would be well. And I'm sure they would appreciate the support. RA I'm sure Jagielloà ska is recieving their fair share of EU funds! But they are the good guys, having digitized many important (for us) manuscripts. I'm complaining about those smallish, niggerly ones, who definitely live in the past :) G. -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: looking for 2 lute sources
My opinion in this matter is, that the libraries should primarily be there for us, the public. They are generally funded with OUR tax money in the first place. Major libraries have understood this, and digitize their holdings big time. We live, after all, in 2018 and not in 1980! Its in their own interest to conserve the fragile manuscripts by digitizing. Those small libraries that are trying to make a buck from the probably extremely FEW orders they get, are just moving backwards into the future. From recent examples we see that their prices are prohibitive, and they are in fact only HINDERING the access to their holding. Old-fashioned, prohibitive and retro thinking IMHO. G. Reality check. RA -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
