[LUTE] Re: Bach's Concerto for Harpsichord Strings in F Minor
I imagine it would work particularly well as a lute duet... Helen On 20 August 2014 05:38, Edward C. Yong [1]edward.y...@gmail.com wrote: I, for one, would love an arrangement for 7-course or archlute! Edward Chrysogonus Yong [2]edward.y...@gmail.com On 19 Aug, 2014, at 11:24 PM, Dan Winheld [3]dwinh...@lmi.net wrote: Roman- beautifully done, very nice. That movement has always been a small favorite of mine. Thank you! Dan On 8/19/2014 6:59 AM, [4]r.turov...@gmail.com wrote: You can also play that movement on a 13course, without any piano: [5]http://polyhymnion.org/swv/images/bach5.pdf RT On 8/19/2014 8:13 AM, Helen Atkinson wrote: A A Hello - A A I've had such great help from this forum that I can't resist asking for A A more. I'm in long-shot mode again, and purists must turn away (!), but A A I've been asked whether I could play lute to cover the pizzicato A A strings line of the beautiful Largo movement of this concerto. I may be A A accompanying a piano rather than harpsichord, so the anachronism could A A be more extreme still. Is an intabulation of this for a 7-course A A instrument worth pursuing, I wonder? The score can be found here (pp. A A 112-113):A [1][6]http://burrito.whatbox.ca:15263/imglnks/usimg/4/4b/IMSLP02260-Bac h_- A A _BGA_-_BWV_1056.pdf A A Many thanks A A Helen A A -- References A A 1. [7]http://burrito.whatbox.ca:15263/imglnks/usimg/4/4b/IMSLP02260-Bach_- _BGA_-_BWV_1056.pdf To get on or off this list see list information at [8]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. mailto:edward.y...@gmail.com 2. mailto:edward.y...@gmail.com 3. mailto:dwinh...@lmi.net 4. mailto:r.turov...@gmail.com 5. http://polyhymnion.org/swv/images/bach5.pdf 6. http://burrito.whatbox.ca:15263/imglnks/usimg/4/4b/IMSLP02260-Bach_- 7. http://burrito.whatbox.ca:15263/imglnks/usimg/4/4b/IMSLP02260-Bach_-_BGA_-_BWV_1056.pdf 8. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Bach's Concerto for Harpsichord Strings in F Minor
By popular demand - an archlute version: http://polyhymnion.org/swv/music/bach5arc.pdf Enjoy. Amities, RT On 8/20/2014 12:38 AM, Edward C. Yong wrote: I, for one, would love an arrangement for 7-course or archlute! Edward Chrysogonus Yong edward.y...@gmail.com On 19 Aug, 2014, at 11:24 PM, Dan Winheld dwinh...@lmi.net wrote: Roman- beautifully done, very nice. That movement has always been a small favorite of mine. Thank you! Dan On 8/19/2014 6:59 AM, r.turov...@gmail.com wrote: You can also play that movement on a 13course, without any piano: http://polyhymnion.org/swv/images/bach5.pdf RT On 8/19/2014 8:13 AM, Helen Atkinson wrote: Hello - I've had such great help from this forum that I can't resist asking for more. I'm in long-shot mode again, and purists must turn away (!), but I've been asked whether I could play lute to cover the pizzicato strings line of the beautiful Largo movement of this concerto. I may be accompanying a piano rather than harpsichord, so the anachronism could be more extreme still. Is an intabulation of this for a 7-course instrument worth pursuing, I wonder? The score can be found here (pp. 112-113):A [1]http://burrito.whatbox.ca:15263/imglnks/usimg/4/4b/IMSLP02260-Bach_- _BGA_-_BWV_1056.pdf Many thanks Helen -- References 1. http://burrito.whatbox.ca:15263/imglnks/usimg/4/4b/IMSLP02260-Bach_-_BGA_-_BWV_1056.pdf To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Bach's Concerto for Harpsichord Strings in F Minor
How about aA 7-courseA version from someone?A ThatA would be popular! Helen On Wednesday, 20 August 2014, [1]r.turov...@gmail.com [2]r.turov...@gmail.com wrote: By popular demand - an archlute version: [3]http://polyhymnion.org/swv/music/bach5arc.pdf Enjoy. Amities, RT On 8/20/2014 12:38 AM, Edward C. Yong wrote: I, for one, would love an arrangement for 7-course or archlute! Edward Chrysogonus Yong edward.y...@gmail.com On 19 Aug, 2014, at 11:24 PM, Dan Winheld dwinh...@lmi.net wrote: Roman- beautifully done, very nice. That movement has always been a small favorite of mine. Thank you! Dan On 8/19/2014 6:59 AM, r.turov...@gmail.com wrote: You can also play that movement on a 13course, without any piano: [4]http://polyhymnion.org/swv/images/bach5.pdf RT On 8/19/2014 8:13 AM, Helen Atkinson wrote: A A Hello - A A I've had such great help from this forum that I can't resist asking for A A more. I'm in long-shot mode again, and purists must turn away (!), but A A I've been asked whether I could play lute to cover the pizzicato A A strings line of the beautiful Largo movement of this concerto. I may be A A accompanying a piano rather than harpsichord, so the anachronism could A A be more extreme still. Is an intabulation of this for a 7-course A A instrument worth pursuing, I wonder? The score can be found here (pp. A A 112-113):A [1][5]http://burrito.whatbox.ca:15263/imglnks/usimg/4/4b/IMSLP02260- Bach_- A A _BGA_-_BWV_1056.pdf A A Many thanks A A Helen A A -- References A A 1. [6]http://burrito.whatbox.ca:15263/imglnks/usimg/4/4b/IMSLP02260-Bac h_-_BGA_-_BWV_1056.pdf To get on or off this list see list information at [7]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. mailto:r.turov...@gmail.com 2. mailto:r.turov...@gmail.com 3. http://polyhymnion.org/swv/music/bach5arc.pdf 4. http://polyhymnion.org/swv/images/bach5.pdf 5. http://burrito.whatbox.ca:15263/imglnks/usimg/4/4b/IMSLP02260-Bach_- 6. http://burrito.whatbox.ca:15263/imglnks/usimg/4/4b/IMSLP02260-Bach_-_BGA_-_BWV_1056.pdf 7. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Bach's Concerto for Harpsichord Strings in F Minor
It would be too far out of character for the instrument, especially for those with unequal fretting. RT On 8/20/2014 8:38 AM, Helen Atkinson wrote: How about a 7-course version from someone? That would be popular! Helen On Wednesday, 20 August 2014, [1]r.turov...@gmail.com [2]r.turov...@gmail.com wrote: By popular demand - an archlute version: [3]http://polyhymnion.org/swv/music/bach5arc.pdf Enjoy. Amities, RT On 8/20/2014 12:38 AM, Edward C. Yong wrote: I, for one, would love an arrangement for 7-course or archlute! Edward Chrysogonus Yong edward.y...@gmail.com On 19 Aug, 2014, at 11:24 PM, Dan Winheld dwinh...@lmi.net wrote: Roman- beautifully done, very nice. That movement has always been a small favorite of mine. Thank you! Dan On 8/19/2014 6:59 AM, r.turov...@gmail.com wrote: You can also play that movement on a 13course, without any piano: [4]http://polyhymnion.org/swv/images/bach5.pdf RT On 8/19/2014 8:13 AM, Helen Atkinson wrote: Hello - I've had such great help from this forum that I can't resist asking for more. I'm in long-shot mode again, and purists must turn away (!), but I've been asked whether I could play lute to cover the pizzicato strings line of the beautiful Largo movement of this concerto. I may be accompanying a piano rather than harpsichord, so the anachronism could be more extreme still. Is an intabulation of this for a 7-course instrument worth pursuing, I wonder? The score can be found here (pp. 112-113):A [1][5]http://burrito.whatbox.ca:15263/imglnks/usimg/4/4b/IMSLP02260- Bach_- _BGA_-_BWV_1056.pdf Many thanks Helen -- References 1. [6]http://burrito.whatbox.ca:15263/imglnks/usimg/4/4b/IMSLP02260-Bac h_-_BGA_-_BWV_1056.pdf To get on or off this list see list information at [7]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. mailto:r.turov...@gmail.com 2. mailto:r.turov...@gmail.com 3. http://polyhymnion.org/swv/music/bach5arc.pdf 4. http://polyhymnion.org/swv/images/bach5.pdf 5. http://burrito.whatbox.ca:15263/imglnks/usimg/4/4b/IMSLP02260-Bach_- 6. http://burrito.whatbox.ca:15263/imglnks/usimg/4/4b/IMSLP02260-Bach_-_BGA_-_BWV_1056.pdf 7. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/%7Ewbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Bach's Concerto for Harpsichord Strings in F Minor
On 08/20/2014 02:42 PM, r.turov...@gmail.com wrote: But those people can easily change their 7 course fretting into well-tempered, not? ;-) (someone asked me once to tune my theorbo into 'Valotti' for Monteverdi... Ehh, didn't work very well..) Taco It would be too far out of character for the instrument, especially for those with unequal fretting. RT On 8/20/2014 8:38 AM, Helen Atkinson wrote: How about a 7-course version from someone? That would be popular! Helen On Wednesday, 20 August 2014, [1]r.turov...@gmail.com [2]r.turov...@gmail.com wrote: By popular demand - an archlute version: [3]http://polyhymnion.org/swv/music/bach5arc.pdf Enjoy. Amities, RT On 8/20/2014 12:38 AM, Edward C. Yong wrote: I, for one, would love an arrangement for 7-course or archlute! Edward Chrysogonus Yong edward.y...@gmail.com On 19 Aug, 2014, at 11:24 PM, Dan Winheld dwinh...@lmi.net wrote: Roman- beautifully done, very nice. That movement has always been a small favorite of mine. Thank you! Dan On 8/19/2014 6:59 AM, r.turov...@gmail.com wrote: You can also play that movement on a 13course, without any piano: [4]http://polyhymnion.org/swv/images/bach5.pdf RT On 8/19/2014 8:13 AM, Helen Atkinson wrote: Hello - I've had such great help from this forum that I can't resist asking for more. I'm in long-shot mode again, and purists must turn away (!), but I've been asked whether I could play lute to cover the pizzicato strings line of the beautiful Largo movement of this concerto. I may be accompanying a piano rather than harpsichord, so the anachronism could be more extreme still. Is an intabulation of this for a 7-course instrument worth pursuing, I wonder? The score can be found here (pp. 112-113):A [1][5]http://burrito.whatbox.ca:15263/imglnks/usimg/4/4b/IMSLP02260- Bach_- _BGA_-_BWV_1056.pdf Many thanks Helen -- References 1. [6]http://burrito.whatbox.ca:15263/imglnks/usimg/4/4b/IMSLP02260-Bac h_-_BGA_-_BWV_1056.pdf To get on or off this list see list information at [7]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. mailto:r.turov...@gmail.com 2. mailto:r.turov...@gmail.com 3. http://polyhymnion.org/swv/music/bach5arc.pdf 4. http://polyhymnion.org/swv/images/bach5.pdf 5. http://burrito.whatbox.ca:15263/imglnks/usimg/4/4b/IMSLP02260-Bach_- 6. http://burrito.whatbox.ca:15263/imglnks/usimg/4/4b/IMSLP02260-Bach_-_BGA_-_BWV_1056.pdf 7. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/%7Ewbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Bach's Concerto for Harpsichord Strings in F Minor
Just for one piece, how many hours with a calculator, and shifting them frets back and forth, loosening them? That would redefine masochism. RT On 8/20/2014 8:55 AM, Taco Walstra wrote: On 08/20/2014 02:42 PM, r.turov...@gmail.com wrote: But those people can easily change their 7 course fretting into well-tempered, not? ;-) (someone asked me once to tune my theorbo into 'Valotti' for Monteverdi... Ehh, didn't work very well..) Taco It would be too far out of character for the instrument, especially for those with unequal fretting. RT On 8/20/2014 8:38 AM, Helen Atkinson wrote: How about a 7-course version from someone? That would be popular! Helen On Wednesday, 20 August 2014, [1]r.turov...@gmail.com [2]r.turov...@gmail.com wrote: By popular demand - an archlute version: [3]http://polyhymnion.org/swv/music/bach5arc.pdf Enjoy. Amities, RT On 8/20/2014 12:38 AM, Edward C. Yong wrote: I, for one, would love an arrangement for 7-course or archlute! Edward Chrysogonus Yong edward.y...@gmail.com On 19 Aug, 2014, at 11:24 PM, Dan Winheld dwinh...@lmi.net wrote: Roman- beautifully done, very nice. That movement has always been a small favorite of mine. Thank you! Dan On 8/19/2014 6:59 AM, r.turov...@gmail.com wrote: You can also play that movement on a 13course, without any piano: [4]http://polyhymnion.org/swv/images/bach5.pdf RT On 8/19/2014 8:13 AM, Helen Atkinson wrote: Hello - I've had such great help from this forum that I can't resist asking for more. I'm in long-shot mode again, and purists must turn away (!), but I've been asked whether I could play lute to cover the pizzicato strings line of the beautiful Largo movement of this concerto. I may be accompanying a piano rather than harpsichord, so the anachronism could be more extreme still. Is an intabulation of this for a 7-course instrument worth pursuing, I wonder? The score can be found here (pp. 112-113):A [1][5]http://burrito.whatbox.ca:15263/imglnks/usimg/4/4b/IMSLP02260- Bach_- _BGA_-_BWV_1056.pdf Many thanks Helen -- References 1. [6]http://burrito.whatbox.ca:15263/imglnks/usimg/4/4b/IMSLP02260-Bac h_-_BGA_-_BWV_1056.pdf To get on or off this list see list information at [7]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. mailto:r.turov...@gmail.com 2. mailto:r.turov...@gmail.com 3. http://polyhymnion.org/swv/music/bach5arc.pdf 4. http://polyhymnion.org/swv/images/bach5.pdf 5. http://burrito.whatbox.ca:15263/imglnks/usimg/4/4b/IMSLP02260-Bach_- 6. http://burrito.whatbox.ca:15263/imglnks/usimg/4/4b/IMSLP02260-Bach_-_BGA_-_BWV_1056.pdf 7. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/%7Ewbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Bach's Concerto for Harpsichord Strings in F Minor
The archlute version is, for most intents purposes, your 7 (pref. low D) course version. Just play with your low octave bass notes; there are not so many of them as to constitute a linear, melodically independent bass line that would be degraded by octave transpositions. Having said that, I must agree with Roman- out of character for the instrument, at least for performance. But if a 7 course instrument was all I had, I would certainly play this (and any other damn piece of music that tickled my fancy- for my own pleasure if not for anything else). But I am fortunate enough these days to have played Roman's versions on: 1. Baroque lute (my favorite) 2. Archlute (actually pretty good on this) 3. 7-course Vihuela Grande (all bass notes accounted for; whatever the octave- but it really feels wrong compared to the other two) If I had to perform this on a 7 course instrument I would bump it up; a whole tone to maybe a 4th. Go ahead, just play it already! :-D Dan On 8/20/2014 5:38 AM, Helen Atkinson wrote: How about aA 7-courseA version from someone?A ThatA would be popular! Helen On Wednesday, 20 August 2014, [1]r.turov...@gmail.com [2]r.turov...@gmail.com wrote: By popular demand - an archlute version: [3]http://polyhymnion.org/swv/music/bach5arc.pdf Enjoy. Amities, RT On 8/20/2014 12:38 AM, Edward C. Yong wrote: I, for one, would love an arrangement for 7-course or archlute! Edward Chrysogonus Yong edward.y...@gmail.com On 19 Aug, 2014, at 11:24 PM, Dan Winheld dwinh...@lmi.net wrote: Roman- beautifully done, very nice. That movement has always been a small favorite of mine. Thank you! Dan On 8/19/2014 6:59 AM, r.turov...@gmail.com wrote: You can also play that movement on a 13course, without any piano: [4]http://polyhymnion.org/swv/images/bach5.pdf RT On 8/19/2014 8:13 AM, Helen Atkinson wrote: A A Hello - A A I've had such great help from this forum that I can't resist asking for A A more. I'm in long-shot mode again, and purists must turn away (!), but A A I've been asked whether I could play lute to cover the pizzicato A A strings line of the beautiful Largo movement of this concerto. I may be A A accompanying a piano rather than harpsichord, so the anachronism could A A be more extreme still. Is an intabulation of this for a 7-course A A instrument worth pursuing, I wonder? The score can be found here (pp. A A 112-113):A [1][5]http://burrito.whatbox.ca:15263/imglnks/usimg/4/4b/IMSLP02260- Bach_- A A _BGA_-_BWV_1056.pdf A A Many thanks A A Helen A A -- References A A 1. [6]http://burrito.whatbox.ca:15263/imglnks/usimg/4/4b/IMSLP02260-Bac h_-_BGA_-_BWV_1056.pdf To get on or off this list see list information at [7]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. mailto:r.turov...@gmail.com 2. mailto:r.turov...@gmail.com 3. http://polyhymnion.org/swv/music/bach5arc.pdf 4. http://polyhymnion.org/swv/images/bach5.pdf 5. http://burrito.whatbox.ca:15263/imglnks/usimg/4/4b/IMSLP02260-Bach_- 6. http://burrito.whatbox.ca:15263/imglnks/usimg/4/4b/IMSLP02260-Bach_-_BGA_-_BWV_1056.pdf 7. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Bach's Concerto for Harpsichord Strings in F Minor
On Aug 20, 2014, at 11:48 AM, Dan Winheld dwinh...@lmi.net wrote: Having said that, I must agree with Roman- out of character for the instrument, at least for performance. Given that it’s an oboe solo that Bach arranged for harpsichord, probably for didactic purposes, I’m not sure it makes sense to draw the “out of character line between one kind of lute and another. To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Bach's Concerto for Harpsichord Strings in F Minor
You can also play that movement on a 13course, without any piano: http://polyhymnion.org/swv/images/bach5.pdf RT On 8/19/2014 8:13 AM, Helen Atkinson wrote: Hello - I've had such great help from this forum that I can't resist asking for more. I'm in long-shot mode again, and purists must turn away (!), but I've been asked whether I could play lute to cover the pizzicato strings line of the beautiful Largo movement of this concerto. I may be accompanying a piano rather than harpsichord, so the anachronism could be more extreme still. Is an intabulation of this for a 7-course instrument worth pursuing, I wonder? The score can be found here (pp. 112-113):A [1]http://burrito.whatbox.ca:15263/imglnks/usimg/4/4b/IMSLP02260-Bach_- _BGA_-_BWV_1056.pdf Many thanks Helen -- References 1. http://burrito.whatbox.ca:15263/imglnks/usimg/4/4b/IMSLP02260-Bach_-_BGA_-_BWV_1056.pdf To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Bach's Concerto for Harpsichord Strings in F Minor
Roman- beautifully done, very nice. That movement has always been a small favorite of mine. Thank you! Dan On 8/19/2014 6:59 AM, r.turov...@gmail.com wrote: You can also play that movement on a 13course, without any piano: http://polyhymnion.org/swv/images/bach5.pdf RT On 8/19/2014 8:13 AM, Helen Atkinson wrote: Hello - I've had such great help from this forum that I can't resist asking for more. I'm in long-shot mode again, and purists must turn away (!), but I've been asked whether I could play lute to cover the pizzicato strings line of the beautiful Largo movement of this concerto. I may be accompanying a piano rather than harpsichord, so the anachronism could be more extreme still. Is an intabulation of this for a 7-course instrument worth pursuing, I wonder? The score can be found here (pp. 112-113):A [1]http://burrito.whatbox.ca:15263/imglnks/usimg/4/4b/IMSLP02260-Bach_- _BGA_-_BWV_1056.pdf Many thanks Helen -- References 1. http://burrito.whatbox.ca:15263/imglnks/usimg/4/4b/IMSLP02260-Bach_-_BGA_-_BWV_1056.pdf To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Bach's Concerto for Harpsichord Strings in F Minor
I, for one, would love an arrangement for 7-course or archlute! Edward Chrysogonus Yong edward.y...@gmail.com On 19 Aug, 2014, at 11:24 PM, Dan Winheld dwinh...@lmi.net wrote: Roman- beautifully done, very nice. That movement has always been a small favorite of mine. Thank you! Dan On 8/19/2014 6:59 AM, r.turov...@gmail.com wrote: You can also play that movement on a 13course, without any piano: http://polyhymnion.org/swv/images/bach5.pdf RT On 8/19/2014 8:13 AM, Helen Atkinson wrote: Hello - I've had such great help from this forum that I can't resist asking for more. I'm in long-shot mode again, and purists must turn away (!), but I've been asked whether I could play lute to cover the pizzicato strings line of the beautiful Largo movement of this concerto. I may be accompanying a piano rather than harpsichord, so the anachronism could be more extreme still. Is an intabulation of this for a 7-course instrument worth pursuing, I wonder? The score can be found here (pp. 112-113):A [1]http://burrito.whatbox.ca:15263/imglnks/usimg/4/4b/IMSLP02260-Bach_- _BGA_-_BWV_1056.pdf Many thanks Helen -- References 1. http://burrito.whatbox.ca:15263/imglnks/usimg/4/4b/IMSLP02260-Bach_-_BGA_-_BWV_1056.pdf To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
