[LUTE] Re: Rewarding Renaissance Lute repertoire

[Dan Winheld]

Two thumbs up for Martin's anthology!
- I got my copy from him years ago at lute seminar, it has a wonderful 
balance of repertoire in all ways. By the way, much of Hans Newsidler's 
intabs are no push overs. He will first give you a pretty straight 
intab, then follow with an ornamented one. Timing, rhythms can be very 
tricky if you don't tweak your pace properly.  I love all of them, and 
it is especially  rewarding to learn & play his "Mille Regretz" after 
all these years of only playing the justly popular version by Narvaez. 
Both are superb examples of the art of intabulation at its best.


Dan

On 12/7/2017 1:50 AM, Martin Shepherd wrote:

Since we're talking about Newsidler:

Yes, his books are ideal for learning to read German tablature because 
the letters are very clear and distinct and he only introduces a few 
symbols at a time.


Many of the German Tenorlieder are frustrating because they have these 
huge gaps between sections - perhaps we should improvise some twiddly 
bits to fill the gaps?


You can find some nice music (56 pieces) from German prints (in French 
tab) in my anthology "Renaissance Lute Music from German Sources" 
published by the Lute Society in 2000 
(http://www.lutesociety.org/pages/catalogue#b).


Martin

On 07/12/2017 08:04, Tristan von Neumann wrote:

Well then, you are lucky!
Deciphering obscure German Tabs is one of my next projects.
I'm running out of new music, so this would be the way to go, and as 
a side effect, I might even learn to play from those tabs. I plan to 
transcribe with lute in hand.


Does anyone have any insight into which German tab books are most 
desired as transcriptions? I prefer German song intabulations to 
French chansons. Italian Madrigals are ok. Most welcome of course are 
interesting Fantasies and groovy dances.


Am 07.12.2017 um 01:44 schrieb G. C.:
    So, Hans Newsidler seems to be a good place to begin, judging 
from the
    many manuscript copies that were made of his books. He not only 
was an
    early Renaissance lutenist, but had a didactic flair which 
caught on
    and demonstrably also worked. (Both his sons Conrad and Melchior 
became
    outstanding lutenists, especially Melchior). German tablature is 
also
    made approachable for a modern player through his easy pieces. 
There is
    a wealth of (often quite virtuosic) music available in the many 
German
    tablature manuscripts, which have not yet been sufficiently 
researched

    and are still awaiting academic and performer discovery.
    G.
    On Thu, Dec 7, 2017 at 1:15 AM, Tristan von Neumann
    <[1]tristanvonneum...@gmx.de> wrote:
    THanks G.,
    I own the Poulton Lute Book, also I browse regularly through Sarge
    Gerbode's site. I have harvested literally 1000s of pieces now...
    But you never know what's out there, so that's why I asked, and 
also to

    see what people think is on the easy to intermediate side.
    Hans Neusiedler is really really good though, I practically 
learned to

    play the lute with his pieces.

    --

References

    1. mailto:tristanvonneum...@gmx.de


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[LUTE] Re: Rewarding Renaissance Lute repertoire

[Martin Shepherd]

Since we're talking about Newsidler:

Yes, his books are ideal for learning to read German tablature because 
the letters are very clear and distinct and he only introduces a few 
symbols at a time.


Many of the German Tenorlieder are frustrating because they have these 
huge gaps between sections - perhaps we should improvise some twiddly 
bits to fill the gaps?


You can find some nice music (56 pieces) from German prints (in French 
tab) in my anthology "Renaissance Lute Music from German Sources" 
published by the Lute Society in 2000 
(http://www.lutesociety.org/pages/catalogue#b).


Martin

On 07/12/2017 08:04, Tristan von Neumann wrote:

Well then, you are lucky!
Deciphering obscure German Tabs is one of my next projects.
I'm running out of new music, so this would be the way to go, and as a 
side effect, I might even learn to play from those tabs. I plan to 
transcribe with lute in hand.


Does anyone have any insight into which German tab books are most 
desired as transcriptions? I prefer German song intabulations to 
French chansons. Italian Madrigals are ok. Most welcome of course are 
interesting Fantasies and groovy dances.


Am 07.12.2017 um 01:44 schrieb G. C.:
    So, Hans Newsidler seems to be a good place to begin, judging 
from the
    many manuscript copies that were made of his books. He not only 
was an

    early Renaissance lutenist, but had a didactic flair which caught on
    and demonstrably also worked. (Both his sons Conrad and Melchior 
became
    outstanding lutenists, especially Melchior). German tablature is 
also
    made approachable for a modern player through his easy pieces. 
There is
    a wealth of (often quite virtuosic) music available in the many 
German
    tablature manuscripts, which have not yet been sufficiently 
researched

    and are still awaiting academic and performer discovery.
    G.
    On Thu, Dec 7, 2017 at 1:15 AM, Tristan von Neumann
    <[1]tristanvonneum...@gmx.de> wrote:
    THanks G.,
    I own the Poulton Lute Book, also I browse regularly through Sarge
    Gerbode's site. I have harvested literally 1000s of pieces now...
    But you never know what's out there, so that's why I asked, and 
also to

    see what people think is on the easy to intermediate side.
    Hans Neusiedler is really really good though, I practically 
learned to

    play the lute with his pieces.

    --

References

    1. mailto:tristanvonneum...@gmx.de


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[LUTE] Re: Rewarding Renaissance Lute repertoire

[Tristan von Neumann]

Well then, you are lucky!
Deciphering obscure German Tabs is one of my next projects.
I'm running out of new music, so this would be the way to go, and as a 
side effect, I might even learn to play from those tabs. I plan to 
transcribe with lute in hand.


Does anyone have any insight into which German tab books are most 
desired as transcriptions? I prefer German song intabulations to French 
chansons. Italian Madrigals are ok. Most welcome of course are 
interesting Fantasies and groovy dances.


Am 07.12.2017 um 01:44 schrieb G. C.:

So, Hans Newsidler seems to be a good place to begin, judging from the
many manuscript copies that were made of his books. He not only was an
early Renaissance lutenist, but had a didactic flair which caught on
and demonstrably also worked. (Both his sons Conrad and Melchior became
outstanding lutenists, especially Melchior). German tablature is also
made approachable for a modern player through his easy pieces. There is
a wealth of (often quite virtuosic) music available in the many German
tablature manuscripts, which have not yet been sufficiently researched
and are still awaiting academic and performer discovery.
G.
On Thu, Dec 7, 2017 at 1:15 AM, Tristan von Neumann
<[1]tristanvonneum...@gmx.de> wrote:
THanks G.,
I own the Poulton Lute Book, also I browse regularly through Sarge
Gerbode's site. I have harvested literally 1000s of pieces now...
But you never know what's out there, so that's why I asked, and also to
see what people think is on the easy to intermediate side.
Hans Neusiedler is really really good though, I practically learned to
play the lute with his pieces.

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[LUTE] Re: Rewarding Renaissance Lute repertoire

[G. C.]

   So, Hans Newsidler seems to be a good place to begin, judging from the
   many manuscript copies that were made of his books. He not only was an
   early Renaissance lutenist, but had a didactic flair which caught on
   and demonstrably also worked. (Both his sons Conrad and Melchior became
   outstanding lutenists, especially Melchior). German tablature is also
   made approachable for a modern player through his easy pieces. There is
   a wealth of (often quite virtuosic) music available in the many German
   tablature manuscripts, which have not yet been sufficiently researched
   and are still awaiting academic and performer discovery.
   G.
   On Thu, Dec 7, 2017 at 1:15 AM, Tristan von Neumann
   <[1]tristanvonneum...@gmx.de> wrote:
   THanks G.,
   I own the Poulton Lute Book, also I browse regularly through Sarge
   Gerbode's site. I have harvested literally 1000s of pieces now...
   But you never know what's out there, so that's why I asked, and also to
   see what people think is on the easy to intermediate side.
   Hans Neusiedler is really really good though, I practically learned to
   play the lute with his pieces.

   --

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[LUTE] Re: Rewarding Renaissance Lute repertoire

[Tristan von Neumann]

THanks G.,

I own the Poulton Lute Book, also I browse regularly through Sarge 
Gerbode's site. I have harvested literally 1000s of pieces now...
But you never know what's out there, so that's why I asked, and also to 
see what people think is on the easy to intermediate side.
Hans Neusiedler is really really good though, I practically learned to 
play the lute with his pieces.


Am 06.12.2017 um 22:59 schrieb G. C.:

I forgot to say, that it might be a good idea also to look at what
pieces have been transcribed to guitar staff or tablature. These tend
to be the easier pieces.
On Wed, Dec 6, 2017 at 10:46 PM, G. C. <[1]kalei...@gmail.com> wrote:
OK, if you are looking for Renaissance lute music for beginners to
intermediate, I believe there are several anthologies. Anthony Rooley,
early published a few good ones with music from the english
manuscripts. Poulton put out an easy compendium. I'm sure that Tree
Edition and both the English LS and LSA have published a choise. Also
looking at tutors is fruitful, like Poulton, Stefan Lundgren, etc. Why
not begin with Hans Neusiedler and take it from there?
G.

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[LUTE] Re: Rewarding Renaissance Lute repertoire

[G. C.]

   And again those early Italian dance tutors with tablature, like Negri
   and Caroso are quite easy to play.

   On Wed, Dec 6, 2017 at 10:59 PM, G. C. <[1]kalei...@gmail.com> wrote:

I forgot to say, that it might be a good idea also to look at
 what
pieces have been transcribed to guitar staff or tablature. These
 tend
to be the easier pieces.
On Wed, Dec 6, 2017 at 10:46 PM, G. C. <[1][2]kalei...@gmail.com>
 wrote:
OK, if you are looking for Renaissance lute music for beginners
 to
intermediate, I believe there are several anthologies. Anthony
 Rooley,
early published a few good ones with music from the english
manuscripts. Poulton put out an easy compendium. I'm sure that
 Tree
Edition and both the English LS and LSA have published a choise.
 Also
looking at tutors is fruitful, like Poulton, Stefan Lundgren,
 etc. Why
not begin with Hans Neusiedler and take it from there?
G.
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[LUTE] Re: Rewarding Renaissance Lute repertoire

[G. C.]

   I forgot to say, that it might be a good idea also to look at what
   pieces have been transcribed to guitar staff or tablature. These tend
   to be the easier pieces.
   On Wed, Dec 6, 2017 at 10:46 PM, G. C. <[1]kalei...@gmail.com> wrote:
   OK, if you are looking for Renaissance lute music for beginners to
   intermediate, I believe there are several anthologies. Anthony Rooley,
   early published a few good ones with music from the english
   manuscripts. Poulton put out an easy compendium. I'm sure that Tree
   Edition and both the English LS and LSA have published a choise. Also
   looking at tutors is fruitful, like Poulton, Stefan Lundgren, etc. Why
   not begin with Hans Neusiedler and take it from there?
   G.

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[LUTE] Re: Rewarding Renaissance Lute repertoire

[G. C.]

   OK, if you are looking for Renaissance lute music for beginners to
   intermediate, I believe there are several anthologies. Anthony Rooley,
   early published a few good ones with music from the english
   manuscripts. Poulton put out an easy compendium. I'm sure that Tree
   Edition and both the English LS and LSA have published a choise. Also
   looking at tutors is fruitful, like Poulton, Stefan Lundgren, etc. Why
   not begin with Hans Neusiedler and take it from there?
   G.

   On Tue, Dec 5, 2017 at 1:36 PM, Tristan von Neumann
   <[1]tristanvonneum...@gmx.de> wrote:

 Great idea, I have never used the file!
 It seems my poll has been misunderstood :) "Playability" meant
 "Playable without years of study". That excludes Molinaro/Gostena
 (except No. 1), most Dowland, and certainly most Bakfark :)
 Terzi is half half to me - some pieces are surprisingly easy yet
 effective, but others like the canzona intabulations are almost
 impossible to play, at least if you want all voices to sing.
 I totally forgot Marco Dall'Aquila, which has at least a few pieces
 on the easier side, and Capirola.
 If we don't forget playability: I forgot to mention Thomas Robinson.
 I only managed to play two Fantasies by Rippe, the others have crazy
 fingerings. Does anyone have a trick how to play Rippe?
 I found that most composers have special quirks in the fingering -
 once you have found out how they work, they are much easier to play.

   Am 05.12.2017 um 05:13 schrieb Jurgen Frenz:

   You may check Gerbode's Excel file and sort it by difficulty. He
   has
   ratings of 1...6 and sometimes they are _very_ subjective but it
   may
   help to get an idea of the degree of challenge of the individual
   piece.
   Jurgen
   --
   "There is a voice that doesn't use words. Listen."
   JalÃl ad-DÃ «n Muhammad Rumi
    Original Message 
   Subject: [LUTE] Re: Rewarding Renaissance Lute repertoire
   Local Time: 5 December 2017 3:41 AM
   UTC Time: 4 December 2017 20:41
   From: [2]brai...@osu.edu
   To: lutelist Net <[3]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>
   I love the vihuelists (especially Narvaez and Mudarra: I see you've
   already listed one [Milan]). Among the unsung (or at least
   less-often
   sung), I'm particularly fond of Valentin Bakfark. Bakfark may be a
   little more on the challenging side, but not so much as Melchior
   Neusidler.
   Carry on,
   Eugene
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   [[2]mailto:[5]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of Tristan von
   Neumann
   Sent: Monday, December 04, 2017 3:18 PM
   To: lutelist Net

 Subject: [LUTE] Rewarding Renaissance Lute repertoire
 Here's a poll for Renaissance Lutists -
 what do you consider most rewarding to play in terms of
 playability
 combined with beauty?
 So far, I love Francesco da Milano and most anonymous pieces
 from the
 Siena Ms., they never get tiresome and lie gently on the hands.
 Also Hans Neusiedler and Luis Milan.
 Not in this category: Albert de Rippe. Amazing music, but
 honestly, did
 this guy have six fingers on each hand??
 What are your favourites? Is there any obscure repertoire to
 discover?
 To get on or off this list see list information at
 [3][6]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
 References
 1. mailto:[7]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu
 2. mailto:[8]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu
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[LUTE] Re: Rewarding Renaissance Lute repertoire

[Sean Smith]

Hi Rainer,

I haven’t found the page “dead” at all. Some links have been lost however 
and, yes, it could use a serious update but I still find it a useful tool. I 
asked the LSA about it and they report that they are working towards making the 
700+ titles of their entire microfilm library online, for free, for the first 
time ever in totally digital form.  When that is up I believe the LSA will put 
up a reworked Facsimiles Link page to complement it.  

I hope this helps! 
Sean


> On Dec 6, 2017, at 7:39 AM, Rainer  wrote:
> 
> On 05.12.2017 12:22, b...@symbol4.de wrote:
>>And I recommend:
>>[3]https://lutesocietyofamerica.wildapricot.org/Tab-Facsimiles
> 
> This page seems to be dead - no updates(?) for almost two years.
> 
> Does anybody know what happened?
> 
> Rainer
> 
> 
> 
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[LUTE] Re: Rewarding Renaissance Lute repertoire

[Rainer]

On 05.12.2017 12:22, b...@symbol4.de wrote:



And I recommend:

[3]https://lutesocietyofamerica.wildapricot.org/Tab-Facsimiles


This page seems to be dead - no updates(?) for almost two years.

Does anybody know what happened?

Rainer



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[LUTE] Re: Rewarding Renaissance Lute repertoire

[Lynda Kraar]

   Thanks, Sean! :)

   Lute on!!
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   Lynda Kraar & Associates
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   On Dec 5, 2017, at 1:48 PM, anotherdamn6c . <[2]lutesm...@gmail.com>
   wrote:

 Hi Lynda,
 The Phalese books (1547 - '71 lacking '63 but many of those pieces
   are
 reprinted in '68 where there's a much better assortment of dances and
 Anticos) can be found through LSA facsimiles page. They are all in
 French tab and range from easy to difficult. They are often sourced
 from previous lute prints ranging from Hans Gerle, J-P Paladin, da
 Crema, Gintzler, LeRoy and others. Unfortunately he generally
   declines
 to name any sources. Bound with the '52 print you'll also find a book
 of mid-century lutesongs and even a Josquin motet set for voice and
 lute.
 The Vindella book is also there though it's consistently more
   difficult
 (tho not impossible) and in Italian tab.
 [1][3]http://lutesocietyofamerica.wildapricot.org/Tab-Facsimiles
 Happy lutering, Sean
 On Mon, Dec 4, 2017 at 4:03 PM, Lynda Kraar
 <[2][4]guitargirl4scrab...@cs.dartmouth.edu> wrote:
   Any links to tabs, manuscripts or YouTube vids you can suggest?
   Lynda Kraar

 On Dec 4, 2017, at 6:51 PM, Leonard Williams
 <[3][5]arc...@verizon.net>

 wrote:

 Spinacino, da Milano, Dick Hoban's collection from the Siena MS, ML

 Book.

 Does anyone play much of Bossinensis?It seems that most of his

 recercari are exercises.

 Leonard

 Sorry if you got this twice!

 On 12/4/17, 3:18 PM, "Tristan von Neumann"

 <[4][6]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu on

 behalf of [5][7]tristanvonneum...@gmx.de> wrote:

 Here's a poll for Renaissance Lutists -

 what do you consider most rewarding to play in terms of playability

 combined with beauty?

 So far, I love Francesco da Milano and most anonymous pieces from

 the

 Siena Ms., they never get tiresome and lie gently on the hands.

 Also Hans Neusiedler and Luis Milan.

 Not in this category: Albert de Rippe. Amazing music, but honestly,

 did

 this guy have six fingers on each hand??

 What are your favourites? Is there any obscure repertoire to

 discover?

 To get on or off this list see list information at

 [6][8]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

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 4. [12]mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu
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[LUTE] Re: Rewarding Renaissance Lute repertoire

[anotherdamn6c .]

   Hi Lynda,
   The Phalese books (1547 - '71 lacking '63 but many of those pieces are
   reprinted in '68 where there's a much better assortment of dances and
   Anticos) can be found through LSA facsimiles page. They are all in
   French tab and range from easy to difficult. They are often sourced
   from previous lute prints ranging from Hans Gerle, J-P Paladin, da
   Crema, Gintzler, LeRoy and others. Unfortunately he generally declines
   to name any sources. Bound with the '52 print you'll also find a book
   of mid-century lutesongs and even a Josquin motet set for voice and
   lute.
   The Vindella book is also there though it's consistently more difficult
   (tho not impossible) and in Italian tab.
   [1]http://lutesocietyofamerica.wildapricot.org/Tab-Facsimiles
   Happy lutering, Sean

   On Mon, Dec 4, 2017 at 4:03 PM, Lynda Kraar
   <[2]guitargirl4scrab...@cs.dartmouth.edu> wrote:

 Any links to tabs, manuscripts or YouTube vids you can suggest?
 Lynda Kraar

   > On Dec 4, 2017, at 6:51 PM, Leonard Williams <[3]arc...@verizon.net>
   wrote:
   >
   > Spinacino, da Milano, Dick Hoban's collection from the Siena MS, ML
   Book.
   > Does anyone play much of Bossinensis?It seems that most of his
   > recercari are exercises.
   >
   > Leonard
   >
   >
   > Sorry if you got this twice!
   >
   >
   >
   > On 12/4/17, 3:18 PM, "Tristan von Neumann"
   <[4]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu on
   > behalf of [5]tristanvonneum...@gmx.de> wrote:
   >
   >> Here's a poll for Renaissance Lutists -
   >>
   >> what do you consider most rewarding to play in terms of playability
   >> combined with beauty?
   >> So far, I love Francesco da Milano and most anonymous pieces from
   the
   >> Siena Ms., they never get tiresome and lie gently on the hands.
   >> Also Hans Neusiedler and Luis Milan.
   >> Not in this category: Albert de Rippe. Amazing music, but honestly,
   did
   >> this guy have six fingers on each hand??
   >>
   >> What are your favourites? Is there any obscure repertoire to
   discover?
   >>
   >>
   >>
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   >
   >
   >

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[LUTE] Re: Rewarding Renaissance Lute repertoire

[Jean-Marie Poirier]

:-D !!!

Jean-Marie

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>Nancy,
>
>I hope this is an intentional typo, it is quite poetic:
>
>On 12/05/2017 07:04 AM, Nancy Carlin wrote:
>
> new Figital Music Supplement,
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[LUTE] Re: Rewarding Renaissance Lute repertoire

[Alain Veylit]

Nancy,

I hope this is an intentional typo, it is quite poetic:


On 12/05/2017 07:04 AM, Nancy Carlin wrote:

new Figital Music Supplement,




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[LUTE] Re: Rewarding Renaissance Lute repertoire

[Braig, Eugene]

Another to consider is the "Chilesotti" codex: much it contains is relatively 
easy and several pieces are quite recognizable in having been set for orchestra 
by Respighi.

Eugene


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From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of 
Tristan von Neumann
Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2017 7:36 AM
To: lutelist Net
Subject: [LUTE] Re: Rewarding Renaissance Lute repertoire

Great idea, I have never used the file!

It seems my poll has been misunderstood :) "Playability" meant "Playable 
without years of study". That excludes Molinaro/Gostena (except No. 1), most 
Dowland, and certainly most Bakfark :) Terzi is half half to me - some pieces 
are surprisingly easy yet effective, but others like the canzona intabulations 
are almost impossible to play, at least if you want all voices to sing.

I totally forgot Marco Dall'Aquila, which has at least a few pieces on the 
easier side, and Capirola.

If we don't forget playability: I forgot to mention Thomas Robinson.

I only managed to play two Fantasies by Rippe, the others have crazy 
fingerings. Does anyone have a trick how to play Rippe?
I found that most composers have special quirks in the fingering - once you 
have found out how they work, they are much easier to play.



Am 05.12.2017 um 05:13 schrieb Jurgen Frenz:
> You may check Gerbode's Excel file and sort it by difficulty. He has
> ratings of 1...6 and sometimes they are _very_ subjective but it may
> help to get an idea of the degree of challenge of the individual piece.
> 
> Jurgen
> 
> --
> "There is a voice that doesn't use words. Listen."
> 
> JalÄl ad-DÄ«n Muhammad Rumi
> 
>      Original Message 
> 
> Subject: [LUTE] Re: Rewarding Renaissance Lute repertoire
> 
> Local Time: 5 December 2017 3:41 AM
> 
> UTC Time: 4 December 2017 20:41
> 
> From: brai...@osu.edu
> 
> To: lutelist Net <lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>
> 
> I love the vihuelists (especially Narvaez and Mudarra: I see you've
> already listed one [Milan]). Among the unsung (or at least less-often
> sung), I'm particularly fond of Valentin Bakfark. Bakfark may be a
> little more on the challenging side, but not so much as Melchior
> Neusidler.
> Carry on,
> Eugene
> -Original Message-
> From: [1]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu
> [[2]mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of Tristan von Neumann
> Sent: Monday, December 04, 2017 3:18 PM
> To: lutelist Net
> Subject: [LUTE] Rewarding Renaissance Lute repertoire
> Here's a poll for Renaissance Lutists -
> what do you consider most rewarding to play in terms of playability
> combined with beauty?
> So far, I love Francesco da Milano and most anonymous pieces from the
> Siena Ms., they never get tiresome and lie gently on the hands.
> Also Hans Neusiedler and Luis Milan.
> Not in this category: Albert de Rippe. Amazing music, but honestly, did
> this guy have six fingers on each hand??
> What are your favourites? Is there any obscure repertoire to discover?
> To get on or off this list see list information at
> [3]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
> 
> References
> 
> 1. mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu
> 2. mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu
> 3. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
> 
> 

[LUTE] Re: Rewarding Renaissance Lute repertoire

[Nancy Carlin]

If you want to explore more Scottish lute music I recommend Balcarres. 
In the next LSA Quarterly I have an article that includes music from 
Balcarres. There will be more pieces in our new Figital Music 
Supplement, both in the original d-minor tuning and transcribed to 
10-course vielle ton.

Nancy

Of course Da Milano, but if you have ten courses under the fingers, try
the Scottish lute music, Rowallan, Straloch... !

V.




  > Message du 04/12/17 21:21
  > De : "Tristan von Neumann" 
  > A : "lutelist Net" 
  > Copie à :
  > Objet : [LUTE] Rewarding Renaissance Lute repertoire
  >
  > Here's a poll for Renaissance Lutists -
  >
  > what do you consider most rewarding to play in terms of
  playability
  > combined with beauty?
  > So far, I love Francesco da Milano and most anonymous pieces from
  the
  > Siena Ms., they never get tiresome and lie gently on the hands.
  > Also Hans Neusiedler and Luis Milan.
  > Not in this category: Albert de Rippe. Amazing music, but
  honestly, did
  > this guy have six fingers on each hand??
  >
  > What are your favourites? Is there any obscure repertoire to
  discover?
  >
  >
  >
  > To get on or off this list see list information at
  > http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
  >

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http://LuteSocietyofAmerica.org

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Concord, CA 94524
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www.nancycarlinassociates.com

[LUTE] Re: Rewarding Renaissance Lute repertoire

[Tristan von Neumann]

Great idea, I have never used the file!

It seems my poll has been misunderstood :) "Playability" meant "Playable 
without years of study". That excludes Molinaro/Gostena (except No. 1), 
most Dowland, and certainly most Bakfark :)
Terzi is half half to me - some pieces are surprisingly easy yet 
effective, but others like the canzona intabulations are almost 
impossible to play, at least if you want all voices to sing.


I totally forgot Marco Dall'Aquila, which has at least a few pieces on 
the easier side, and Capirola.


If we don't forget playability: I forgot to mention Thomas Robinson.

I only managed to play two Fantasies by Rippe, the others have crazy 
fingerings. Does anyone have a trick how to play Rippe?

I found that most composers have special quirks in the fingering -
once you have found out how they work, they are much easier to play.



Am 05.12.2017 um 05:13 schrieb Jurgen Frenz:

You may check Gerbode's Excel file and sort it by difficulty. He has
ratings of 1...6 and sometimes they are _very_ subjective but it may
help to get an idea of the degree of challenge of the individual piece.

Jurgen

--
"There is a voice that doesn't use words. Listen."

JalÄl ad-DÄ«n Muhammad Rumi

 Original Message ----

    Subject: [LUTE] Re: Rewarding Renaissance Lute repertoire

Local Time: 5 December 2017 3:41 AM

UTC Time: 4 December 2017 20:41

From: brai...@osu.edu

To: lutelist Net <lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>

I love the vihuelists (especially Narvaez and Mudarra: I see you've
already listed one [Milan]). Among the unsung (or at least less-often
sung), I'm particularly fond of Valentin Bakfark. Bakfark may be a
little more on the challenging side, but not so much as Melchior
Neusidler.
Carry on,
Eugene
-Original Message-
From: [1]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu
[[2]mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of Tristan von Neumann
Sent: Monday, December 04, 2017 3:18 PM
To: lutelist Net
Subject: [LUTE] Rewarding Renaissance Lute repertoire
Here's a poll for Renaissance Lutists -
what do you consider most rewarding to play in terms of playability
combined with beauty?
So far, I love Francesco da Milano and most anonymous pieces from the
Siena Ms., they never get tiresome and lie gently on the hands.
Also Hans Neusiedler and Luis Milan.
Not in this category: Albert de Rippe. Amazing music, but honestly, did
this guy have six fingers on each hand??
What are your favourites? Is there any obscure repertoire to discover?
To get on or off this list see list information at
[3]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

References

1. mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu
2. mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu
3. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

[LUTE] Re: Rewarding Renaissance Lute repertoire

[Valery SAUVAGE]

   Of course Da Milano, but if you have ten courses under the fingers, try
   the Scottish lute music, Rowallan, Straloch... !

   V.




 > Message du 04/12/17 21:21
 > De : "Tristan von Neumann" 
 > A : "lutelist Net" 
 > Copie à :
 > Objet : [LUTE] Rewarding Renaissance Lute repertoire
 >
 > Here's a poll for Renaissance Lutists -
 >
 > what do you consider most rewarding to play in terms of
 playability
 > combined with beauty?
 > So far, I love Francesco da Milano and most anonymous pieces from
 the
 > Siena Ms., they never get tiresome and lie gently on the hands.
 > Also Hans Neusiedler and Luis Milan.
 > Not in this category: Albert de Rippe. Amazing music, but
 honestly, did
 > this guy have six fingers on each hand??
 >
 > What are your favourites? Is there any obscure repertoire to
 discover?
 >
 >
 >
 > To get on or off this list see list information at
 > http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
 >

   --

[LUTE] Re: Rewarding Renaissance Lute repertoire

[b...@symbol4.de]

   Gesendet: Dienstag, 05. Dezember 2017 um 01:03 Uhr
   Von: "Lynda Kraar" <guitargirl4scrab...@cs.dartmouth.edu>
   An: "Leonard Williams" <arc...@verizon.net>
   Cc: "lutelist Net" <lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>
   Betreff: [LUTE] Re: Rewarding Renaissance Lute repertoire
   Any links to tabs, manuscripts or YouTube vids you can suggest?
   Lynda Kraar


   Hi Linda,



   There are two websites I always come back to:

   Sarge Gerbode's

   [1]www.gerbode.net

   Just read the introduction...

   If you come to a subdirectory with many entries like this one for
   example

   [2]http://www.gerbode.net/sources/Casteliono/intabolatura_di_leuto_1536
   /

   just scroll down to the folder "pdf" which will contain all the pieces
   in pdf format.
   As far as the ".ft3" files are concerned, they are produced with a
   tablature editor program called "Fronimo".
   You can install that program for free which will give you the
   opportunity to view and print (!) the music, though without the
   possibility of editing it.

   And I recommend:

   [3]https://lutesocietyofamerica.wildapricot.org/Tab-Facsimiles

   This page links to digital facsimilia of lute sources. Very nice, can
   be hard to read if it's a manuscript :-)

   **
   A good and developing data base for searching manuscripts ist

   [4]http://mss.slweiss.de

   As the name suggests, it all started with baroque lute sources, but now
   more and more earlier stuff is added by the brave Peter Steur. Online
   ressources are marked.

   Best wishes
   Bernd

References

   1. 
https://deref-1und1.de/mail/client/bJrzn7-I190/dereferrer/?redirectUrl=http://www.gerbode.net
   2. 
https://deref-1und1.de/mail/client/wE-c4P4oPR0/dereferrer/?redirectUrl=http://www.gerbode.net/sources/Casteliono/intabolatura_di_leuto_1536/
   3. 
https://deref-1und1.de/mail/client/RKftLlFLHKs/dereferrer/?redirectUrl=https://lutesocietyofamerica.wildapricot.org/Tab-Facsimiles
   4. 
https://deref-1und1.de/mail/client/W6TDOA9suIk/dereferrer/?redirectUrl=http://mss.slweiss.de


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[LUTE] Re: Rewarding Renaissance Lute repertoire

[Edward C. Yong]

   My vote goes to F. da Milano. When I first took up lute, I was crazy
   about Dowland and the English circle - they had very catchy melodies.
   Now, 23 years later, I find myself drawn to the polyphony of da Milano
   and the earlier composers. There's an intricacy that's very satisfying
   - the quiet delicacy and elegance has me hooked.

   On 5 December 2017 at 04:18, Tristan von Neumann
   <[1]tristanvonneum...@gmx.de> wrote:

 Here's a poll for Renaissance Lutists -
 what do you consider most rewarding to play in terms of playability
 combined with beauty?
 So far, I love Francesco da Milano and most anonymous pieces from
 the Siena Ms., they never get tiresome and lie gently on the hands.
 Also Hans Neusiedler and Luis Milan.
 Not in this category: Albert de Rippe. Amazing music, but honestly,
 did this guy have six fingers on each hand??
 What are your favourites? Is there any obscure repertoire to
 discover?
 To get on or off this list see list information at
 [2]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

   --

References

   1. mailto:tristanvonneum...@gmx.de
   2. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

[LUTE] Re: Rewarding Renaissance Lute repertoire

[Jurgen Frenz]

   You may check Gerbode's Excel file and sort it by difficulty. He has
   ratings of 1...6 and sometimes they are _very_ subjective but it may
   help to get an idea of the degree of challenge of the individual piece.

   Jurgen

   --
   "There is a voice that doesn't use words. Listen."

   JalÄl ad-DÄ«n Muhammad Rumi

    Original Message 

   Subject: [LUTE] Re: Rewarding Renaissance Lute repertoire

   Local Time: 5 December 2017 3:41 AM

   UTC Time: 4 December 2017 20:41

   From: brai...@osu.edu

   To: lutelist Net <lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>

   I love the vihuelists (especially Narvaez and Mudarra: I see you've
   already listed one [Milan]). Among the unsung (or at least less-often
   sung), I'm particularly fond of Valentin Bakfark. Bakfark may be a
   little more on the challenging side, but not so much as Melchior
   Neusidler.
   Carry on,
   Eugene
   -Original Message-
   From: [1]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu
   [[2]mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of Tristan von Neumann
   Sent: Monday, December 04, 2017 3:18 PM
   To: lutelist Net
   Subject: [LUTE] Rewarding Renaissance Lute repertoire
   Here's a poll for Renaissance Lutists -
   what do you consider most rewarding to play in terms of playability
   combined with beauty?
   So far, I love Francesco da Milano and most anonymous pieces from the
   Siena Ms., they never get tiresome and lie gently on the hands.
   Also Hans Neusiedler and Luis Milan.
   Not in this category: Albert de Rippe. Amazing music, but honestly, did
   this guy have six fingers on each hand??
   What are your favourites? Is there any obscure repertoire to discover?
   To get on or off this list see list information at
   [3]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

References

   1. mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu
   2. mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu
   3. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

[LUTE] Re: Rewarding Renaissance Lute repertoire

[Jacob Johnson]

Dowland or gtfo lol

   Jacob Johnson
   [uc?export=downloadid=0B6_gM3BRE6ZrYVVZZU5QNmJqdDQrevid=0B6_g
   M3BRE6ZraW9nQ2U4SGNwV0tYVWxobnNBVjBsZi9FNHhzPQ]
   Guitar/Lute
   [1]www.johnsonguitarstudio.com
   469.237.0625.
   On Mon, Dec 4, 2017 at 6:03 PM, Lynda Kraar
   <[2]guitargirl4scrab...@cs.dartmouth.edu> wrote:

 Any links to tabs, manuscripts or YouTube vids you can suggest?
 Lynda Kraar

   > On Dec 4, 2017, at 6:51 PM, Leonard Williams <[3]arc...@verizon.net>
   wrote:
   >
   > Spinacino, da Milano, Dick Hoban's collection from the Siena MS, ML
   Book.
   > Does anyone play much of Bossinensis?It seems that most of his
   > recercari are exercises.
   >
   > Leonard
   >
   >
   > Sorry if you got this twice!
   >
   >
   >
   > On 12/4/17, 3:18 PM, "Tristan von Neumann"
   <[4]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu on
   > behalf of [5]tristanvonneum...@gmx.de> wrote:
   >
   >> Here's a poll for Renaissance Lutists -
   >>
   >> what do you consider most rewarding to play in terms of playability
   >> combined with beauty?
   >> So far, I love Francesco da Milano and most anonymous pieces from
   the
   >> Siena Ms., they never get tiresome and lie gently on the hands.
   >> Also Hans Neusiedler and Luis Milan.
   >> Not in this category: Albert de Rippe. Amazing music, but honestly,
   did
   >> this guy have six fingers on each hand??
   >>
   >> What are your favourites? Is there any obscure repertoire to
   discover?
   >>
   >>
   >>
   >> To get on or off this list see list information at
   >> [6]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
   >
   >
   >

   --

References

   1. http://www.johnsonguitarstudio.com/
   2. mailto:guitargirl4scrab...@cs.dartmouth.edu
   3. mailto:arc...@verizon.net
   4. mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu
   5. mailto:tristanvonneum...@gmx.de
   6. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

[LUTE] Re: Rewarding Renaissance Lute repertoire

[John Mardinly]

   A second for Molinaro, but what about Dowland, Byrd and Holborne,
   especially now that Holborne is the ONLY renaissance composer to make
   it to interstellar space! (Fairie Rownde is on the Golden Record aboard
   the Voyager spacecraft, now 12 billion miles from earth, traveling at
   38,000 miles per hour.)

   [1]https://voyager.jpl.nasa.gov/golden-record/whats-on-the-record/music
   /

   A. John Mardinly, Ph.D., P.E.
   Classical Guitarist/Lutenist

   On Dec 4, 2017, at 4:24 PM, Dan Winheld <[2]dwinh...@lmi.net> wrote:

   All good faves so far. The ones I love & and haven't been named yet
   are  Simone Molinaro and his uncle Giovanni Battista dalla Gostena.
   Fantasias of Terzi'really aren't all that daunting if you approach them
   calmly, without fear, and go slowly at first. Same can be said in
   regard to Albert de Rippe. And let's not forget Giacomo Gorzanis. Some
   repetitiveness and a little sloppy here and there, but when he rocks he
   rocks.  And, painful or not, Mel Newsidler is well worth the effort.
   Even if one can't get his most challenging ball-breakers up to speed,
   it will improve your range & grasp of fingering to work his stuff
   seriously.
   And one of our most prolific composers, the man (or woman) of a
   thousand faces and more than human lifespan- Anonymous!
   On 12/4/2017 1:54 PM, Sean Smith wrote:

 I'm currently partial to the intabulators who took on the work of
 Archadelt. There's Vindella's all Acadelt book (1546), the many
 variations of "Quand'io pens'al martir" and even the chansons for
 voice and renaissance guitar (A. LeRoy, Cinqiesme Livre). And
 Crecquillon, non Papa, Pathie, deRore, Lasso and ….
 .. who am I kidding? I enjoy most all the vocal pieces set for lute.
 Ok, all the ones I can play, anyway. Phalese ('63, '68) and Paladin
 sometimes stay on the stand for months.
 Sean
 ps, Tristan, there's a nice Pathie set by the mysterious B.M. in
 Siena.

 On Dec 4, 2017, at 12:18 PM, Tristan von Neumann
 <[3]tristanvonneum...@gmx.de> wrote:
 Here's a poll for Renaissance Lutists -
 what do you consider most rewarding to play in terms of playability
 combined with beauty?
 So far, I love Francesco da Milano and most anonymous pieces from
 the Siena Ms., they never get tiresome and lie gently on the hands.
 Also Hans Neusiedler and Luis Milan.
 Not in this category: Albert de Rippe. Amazing music, but honestly,
 did this guy have six fingers on each hand??
 What are your favourites? Is there any obscure repertoire to
 discover?
 To get on or off this list see list information at
 [4]https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.cs.dartmo
 uth.edu_-7Ewbc_lute-2Dadmin_index.html=DwIFaQ=l45AxH-kUV29SRQusp
 9vYR0n1GycN4_2jInuKy6zbqQ=VLPJ8OE-c_C6joGeE1ftlvxMmQPq9N6mpKZONBRt
 90E=Z43YL-Th1Q3TQfDu132TNeosYKe8r_wES7jqa7LuBKM=nuUCMe5Vi2aGppOQ
 WetWW5J6blV980gYn7zGeKkDpBc=

References

   1. https://voyager.jpl.nasa.gov/golden-record/whats-on-the-record/music/
   2. mailto:dwinh...@lmi.net
   3. mailto:tristanvonneum...@gmx.de
   4. 
https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.cs.dartmouth.edu_-7Ewbc_lute-2Dadmin_index.html=DwIFaQ=l45AxH-kUV29SRQusp9vYR0n1GycN4_2jInuKy6zbqQ=VLPJ8OE-c_C6joGeE1ftlvxMmQPq9N6mpKZONBRt90E=Z43YL-Th1Q3TQfDu132TNeosYKe8r_wES7jqa7LuBKM=nuUCMe5Vi2aGppOQWetWW5J6blV980gYn7zGeKkDpBc=

[LUTE] Re: Rewarding Renaissance Lute repertoire

[Lynda Kraar]

Any links to tabs, manuscripts or YouTube vids you can suggest?
Lynda Kraar


> On Dec 4, 2017, at 6:51 PM, Leonard Williams  wrote:
> 
> Spinacino, da Milano, Dick Hoban's collection from the Siena MS, ML Book.
> Does anyone play much of Bossinensis?   It seems that most of his
> recercari are exercises.
> 
> Leonard
> 
> 
> Sorry if you got this twice!
> 
> 
> 
> On 12/4/17, 3:18 PM, "Tristan von Neumann"  behalf of tristanvonneum...@gmx.de> wrote:
> 
>> Here's a poll for Renaissance Lutists -
>> 
>> what do you consider most rewarding to play in terms of playability
>> combined with beauty?
>> So far, I love Francesco da Milano and most anonymous pieces from the
>> Siena Ms., they never get tiresome and lie gently on the hands.
>> Also Hans Neusiedler and Luis Milan.
>> Not in this category: Albert de Rippe. Amazing music, but honestly, did
>> this guy have six fingers on each hand??
>> 
>> What are your favourites? Is there any obscure repertoire to discover?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> To get on or off this list see list information at
>> http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
> 
> 
> 

[LUTE] Re: Rewarding Renaissance Lute repertoire

[Leonard Williams]

Spinacino, da Milano, Dick Hoban's collection from the Siena MS, ML Book.
Does anyone play much of Bossinensis?   It seems that most of his
recercari are exercises.

Leonard


Sorry if you got this twice!



On 12/4/17, 3:18 PM, "Tristan von Neumann"  wrote:

>Here's a poll for Renaissance Lutists -
>
>what do you consider most rewarding to play in terms of playability
>combined with beauty?
>So far, I love Francesco da Milano and most anonymous pieces from the
>Siena Ms., they never get tiresome and lie gently on the hands.
>Also Hans Neusiedler and Luis Milan.
>Not in this category: Albert de Rippe. Amazing music, but honestly, did
>this guy have six fingers on each hand??
>
>What are your favourites? Is there any obscure repertoire to discover?
>
>
>
>To get on or off this list see list information at
>http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

[LUTE] Re: Rewarding Renaissance Lute repertoire

[Dan Winheld]

Hey- Marco Dall Aquila! A giant among faves, and of course Capirola. And 
in the "Intabolatura de Leuto de Diversi Autori" of Castelioni we also 
have 2 magnificent, intriguingly mysterious fantasias by the once famed 
gambist & lutenist Jacobo Albutio.


Dan

On 12/4/2017 3:24 PM, Dan Winheld wrote:
All good faves so far. The ones I love & and haven't been named yet 
are  Simone Molinaro and his uncle Giovanni Battista dalla Gostena. 
Fantasias of Terzi'really aren't all that daunting if you approach 
them calmly, without fear, and go slowly at first. Same can be said in 
regard to Albert de Rippe. And let's not forget Giacomo Gorzanis. Some 
repetitiveness and a little sloppy here and there, but when he rocks 
he rocks.  And, painful or not, Mel Newsidler is well worth the 
effort. Even if one can't get his most challenging ball-breakers up to 
speed, it will improve your range & grasp of fingering to work his 
stuff seriously.


And one of our most prolific composers, the man (or woman) of a 
thousand faces and more than human lifespan- Anonymous!


On 12/4/2017 1:54 PM, Sean Smith wrote:
I’m currently partial to the intabulators who took on the work of 
Archadelt. There's Vindella’s all Acadelt book (1546), the many 
variations of “Quand’io pens’al martir” and even the chansons for 
voice and renaissance guitar (A. LeRoy, Cinqiesme Livre). And 
Crecquillon, non Papa, Pathie, deRore, Lasso and ….


.. who am I kidding? I enjoy most all the vocal pieces set for lute. 
Ok, all the ones I can play, anyway. Phalese (’63, ’68) and Paladin 
sometimes stay on the stand for months.


Sean

ps, Tristan, there’s a nice Pathie set by the mysterious B.M. in Siena.




On Dec 4, 2017, at 12:18 PM, Tristan von Neumann 
 wrote:


Here's a poll for Renaissance Lutists -

what do you consider most rewarding to play in terms of playability 
combined with beauty?
So far, I love Francesco da Milano and most anonymous pieces from 
the Siena Ms., they never get tiresome and lie gently on the hands.

Also Hans Neusiedler and Luis Milan.
Not in this category: Albert de Rippe. Amazing music, but honestly, 
did this guy have six fingers on each hand??


What are your favourites? Is there any obscure repertoire to discover?



To get on or off this list see list information at
http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

[LUTE] Re: Rewarding Renaissance Lute repertoire

[Dan Winheld]

All good faves so far. The ones I love & and haven't been named yet are  
Simone Molinaro and his uncle Giovanni Battista dalla Gostena. Fantasias 
of Terzi'really aren't all that daunting if you approach them calmly, 
without fear, and go slowly at first. Same can be said in regard to 
Albert de Rippe. And let's not forget Giacomo Gorzanis. Some 
repetitiveness and a little sloppy here and there, but when he rocks he 
rocks.  And, painful or not, Mel Newsidler is well worth the effort. 
Even if one can't get his most challenging ball-breakers up to speed, it 
will improve your range & grasp of fingering to work his stuff seriously.


And one of our most prolific composers, the man (or woman) of a thousand 
faces and more than human lifespan- Anonymous!


On 12/4/2017 1:54 PM, Sean Smith wrote:

I’m currently partial to the intabulators who took on the work of Archadelt. 
There's Vindella’s all Acadelt book (1546), the many variations of “Quand’io 
pens’al martir” and even the chansons for voice and renaissance guitar (A. 
LeRoy, Cinqiesme Livre). And Crecquillon, non Papa, Pathie, deRore, Lasso and ….

.. who am I kidding? I enjoy most all the vocal pieces set for lute. Ok, all 
the ones I can play, anyway. Phalese (’63, ’68) and Paladin sometimes stay on 
the stand for months.

Sean

ps, Tristan, there’s a nice Pathie set by the mysterious B.M. in Siena.





On Dec 4, 2017, at 12:18 PM, Tristan von Neumann  
wrote:

Here's a poll for Renaissance Lutists -

what do you consider most rewarding to play in terms of playability combined 
with beauty?
So far, I love Francesco da Milano and most anonymous pieces from the Siena 
Ms., they never get tiresome and lie gently on the hands.
Also Hans Neusiedler and Luis Milan.
Not in this category: Albert de Rippe. Amazing music, but honestly, did this 
guy have six fingers on each hand??

What are your favourites? Is there any obscure repertoire to discover?



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[LUTE] Re: Rewarding Renaissance Lute repertoire

[Sean Smith]

I’m currently partial to the intabulators who took on the work of Archadelt. 
There's Vindella’s all Acadelt book (1546), the many variations of “Quand’io 
pens’al martir” and even the chansons for voice and renaissance guitar (A. 
LeRoy, Cinqiesme Livre). And Crecquillon, non Papa, Pathie, deRore, Lasso and ….

.. who am I kidding? I enjoy most all the vocal pieces set for lute. Ok, all 
the ones I can play, anyway. Phalese (’63, ’68) and Paladin sometimes stay on 
the stand for months.  

Sean

ps, Tristan, there’s a nice Pathie set by the mysterious B.M. in Siena. 




> On Dec 4, 2017, at 12:18 PM, Tristan von Neumann  
> wrote:
> 
> Here's a poll for Renaissance Lutists -
> 
> what do you consider most rewarding to play in terms of playability combined 
> with beauty?
> So far, I love Francesco da Milano and most anonymous pieces from the Siena 
> Ms., they never get tiresome and lie gently on the hands.
> Also Hans Neusiedler and Luis Milan.
> Not in this category: Albert de Rippe. Amazing music, but honestly, did this 
> guy have six fingers on each hand??
> 
> What are your favourites? Is there any obscure repertoire to discover?
> 
> 
> 
> To get on or off this list see list information at
> http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

[LUTE] Re: Rewarding Renaissance Lute repertoire

[G. C.]

   The renaissance repertoire is such a many facetted thing. How could you
   settle on just ONE composer. And pls. don't forget the Golden Age
   repertory, one of its highlights!
   G.

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[LUTE] Re: Rewarding Renaissance Lute repertoire

[Jean-Marie Poirier]

Da Milano for sure but also Vallet for me and most of the transitional tunings 
repertoire (Mesangeau, Dufaut, Bouvier, Chancy)

Jean-Marie


--
 
>Here's a poll for Renaissance Lutists -
>
>what do you consider most rewarding to play in terms of playability 
>combined with beauty?
>So far, I love Francesco da Milano and most anonymous pieces from the 
>Siena Ms., they never get tiresome and lie gently on the hands.
>Also Hans Neusiedler and Luis Milan.
>Not in this category: Albert de Rippe. Amazing music, but honestly, did 
>this guy have six fingers on each hand??
>
>What are your favourites? Is there any obscure repertoire to discover?
>
>
>
>To get on or off this list see list information at
>http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

[LUTE] Re: Rewarding Renaissance Lute repertoire

[Braig, Eugene]

I love the vihuelists (especially Narvaez and Mudarra: I see you've already 
listed one [Milan]).  Among the unsung (or at least less-often sung), I'm 
particularly fond of Valentin Bakfark.  Bakfark may be a little more on the 
challenging side, but not so much as Melchior Neusidler.

Carry on,
Eugene


-Original Message-
From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of 
Tristan von Neumann
Sent: Monday, December 04, 2017 3:18 PM
To: lutelist Net
Subject: [LUTE] Rewarding Renaissance Lute repertoire

Here's a poll for Renaissance Lutists -

what do you consider most rewarding to play in terms of playability combined 
with beauty?
So far, I love Francesco da Milano and most anonymous pieces from the Siena 
Ms., they never get tiresome and lie gently on the hands.
Also Hans Neusiedler and Luis Milan.
Not in this category: Albert de Rippe. Amazing music, but honestly, did this 
guy have six fingers on each hand??

What are your favourites? Is there any obscure repertoire to discover?



To get on or off this list see list information at 
http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html