[LUTE] Re: gluing body fret

[howard posner]

> On Jun 10, 2016, at 11:07 AM, John Mardinly  wrote:
> 
>  That sounds like something
>   Donald Trump or Rodrigo Duterte would do.

Of course.  Where do you think I got the idea in the first place?



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[LUTE] Re: gluing body fret

[John Mardinly]

   "the one who walks up to classical guitarists, ostentatiously takes out
   his nail clipper, and trims his right-hand nails."

   ??

   Not nice. Uncalled for. Not even funny. That sounds like something
   Donald Trump or Rodrigo Duterte would do.

   A. John Mardinly, Ph.D., P.E.
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   EMail: [1]john.mardi...@asu.edu
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   But don't call the labI won't be there!

   On Jun 8, 2016, at 2:38 PM, howard posner <[3]howardpos...@ca.rr.com>
   wrote:

 On Jun 8, 2016, at 12:54 PM, Dan Winheld <[4]dwinh...@lmi.net>
 wrote:
 And is it still good for guitarist's fingernails?

   I'm just grateful that the question is no longer relevant to my life.
   I had a packet-a-day gelatin habit because of my nails when I was in
   college, but years of therapy healed me and made me the man I am
   today--the one who walks up to classical guitarists, ostentatiously
   takes out his nail clipper, and trims his right-hand nails.
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[LUTE] Re: gluing body fret

[sterling price]

   Really--white glue is just fine for body frets.
   SP
   Guess I'll try the white glue. I've been practicing for a week without
   the 9th fret.
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[LUTE] Re: gluing body fret

[David van Ooijen]

   Rice glue. Shamisen players use it to glue their bachi-protector on the
   body. I do. :-)
   David

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   On 9 June 2016 at 00:08, Ed Durbrow <[3]edurb...@sea.plala.or.jp>
   wrote:

 On Jun 9, 2016, at 6:38 AM, howard posner
 <[4]howardpos...@ca.rr.com> wrote:
 >> On Jun 8, 2016, at 12:54 PM, Dan Winheld <[5]dwinh...@lmi.net>
 wrote:
 >>
 >> And is it still good for guitarist's fingernails?
 >
 > I'm just grateful that the question is no longer relevant to my
 life.   I had a packet-a-day gelatin habit because of my nails when
 I was in college, but years of therapy healed me and made me the man
 I am todayathe one who walks up to classical guitarists,
 ostentatiously takes out his nail clipper, and trims his right-hand
 nails.
 Ha, ha. I tried to grow some to play the B. guitar recently. It is a
 lost cause.
 I envy all you folks who can get all these exotic glues at your
 local grocery. Out here in the country, miles from Tokyo, there
 isn't much call for them.
 Guess I'll try the white glue. I've been practicing for a week
 without the 9th fret.
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[LUTE] Re: gluing body fret

[Ed Durbrow]

On Jun 9, 2016, at 6:38 AM, howard posner  wrote:

>> On Jun 8, 2016, at 12:54 PM, Dan Winheld  wrote:
>> 
>> And is it still good for guitarist's fingernails?
> 
> I’m just grateful that the question is no longer relevant to my life.  I had 
> a packet-a-day gelatin habit because of my nails when I was in college, but 
> years of therapy healed me and made me the man I am today—the one who walks 
> up to classical guitarists, ostentatiously takes out his nail clipper, and 
> trims his right-hand nails.


Ha, ha. I tried to grow some to play the B. guitar recently. It is a lost cause.
I envy all you folks who can get all these exotic glues at your local grocery. 
Out here in the country, miles from Tokyo, there isn’t much call for them. 
Guess I’ll try the white glue. I’ve been practicing for a week without the 9th 
fret. 




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[LUTE] Re: gluing body fret

[howard posner]

> On Jun 8, 2016, at 12:54 PM, Dan Winheld  wrote:
> 
> And is it still good for guitarist's fingernails?

I’m just grateful that the question is no longer relevant to my life.  I had a 
packet-a-day gelatin habit because of my nails when I was in college, but years 
of therapy healed me and made me the man I am today—the one who walks up to 
classical guitarists, ostentatiously takes out his nail clipper, and trims his 
right-hand nails.



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[LUTE] Re: gluing body fret

[Dan Winheld]

And is it still good for guitarist's fingernails?

On 6/8/2016 11:09 AM, howard posner wrote:

On Jun 8, 2016, at 9:20 AM, Guy Smith  wrote:

One luthier (Andy Rutherford maybe) told me that plain Knox gelatin is a 
passable hide glue.

I used it repair a ukulele maybe twenty years ago.  The bond holds to this day, 
which means it survived the instrument’s career as a toy for two young boys.



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[LUTE] Re: gluing body fret

[howard posner]

> On Jun 8, 2016, at 9:20 AM, Guy Smith  wrote:
> 
> One luthier (Andy Rutherford maybe) told me that plain Knox gelatin is a 
> passable hide glue.

I used it repair a ukulele maybe twenty years ago.  The bond holds to this day, 
which means it survived the instrument’s career as a toy for two young boys.



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[LUTE] Re: gluing body fret

[Guy Smith]

One luthier (Andy Rutherford maybe) told me that plain Knox gelatin is a 
passable hide glue. Not strong enough for things like bridges, but OK for low 
stress items like frets and it's available in small packets at most grocery 
stores.

Guy

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From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of 
Matthew Daillie
Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2016 2:21 AM
To: Ed Durbrow
Cc: lute list
Subject: [LUTE] Re: gluing body fret

You can buy ready to use hide glue which requires no expertise to use. Titebond 
make a liquid hide wood glue. It is quite suitable for small jobs such as 
gluing body frets (obviously professional lute makers prefer to use there own 
concoctions for jobs such as barring and assembling tops). Hide glue is very 
strong (particularly fish glue) but makes disassembling much easier and less 
destructive than modern glues.
Best
Matthew



> On Jun 8, 2016, at 10:30, Ed Durbrow <edurb...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Thank you Everett, Sterling, Dan and Martin for the guidance. I don’t have 
> any hide glue. That is kind of a speciality item for luthiers, isn’t it? I 
> read here that there is a learning curve: 
> http://www.frets.com/FretsPages/Luthier/Data/Materials/hideglue.html. I have 
> some no-brand white glue, but is Titebond not considered a white glue? I know 
> it is more yellow, but what do you think? I can try the no-brand white glue 
> and see if it is successful. What is the downside of Titebond?
> Thank you.
> 
> 
> Ed Durbrow
> Check out my music video “Trumped” at: 
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xrLe6TWO16A_channel=EdDurbrow
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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[LUTE] Re: gluing body fret

[Matthew Daillie]

You can buy ready to use hide glue which requires no expertise to use. Titebond 
make a liquid hide wood glue. It is quite suitable for small jobs such as 
gluing body frets (obviously professional lute makers prefer to use there own 
concoctions for jobs such as barring and assembling tops). Hide glue is very 
strong (particularly fish glue) but makes disassembling much easier and less 
destructive than modern glues.
Best
Matthew



> On Jun 8, 2016, at 10:30, Ed Durbrow  wrote:
> 
> Thank you Everett, Sterling, Dan and Martin for the guidance. I don’t have 
> any hide glue. That is kind of a speciality item for luthiers, isn’t it? I 
> read here that there is a learning curve: 
> http://www.frets.com/FretsPages/Luthier/Data/Materials/hideglue.html. I have 
> some no-brand white glue, but is Titebond not considered a white glue? I know 
> it is more yellow, but what do you think? I can try the no-brand white glue 
> and see if it is successful. What is the downside of Titebond?
> Thank you.
> 
> 
> Ed Durbrow
> Check out my music video “Trumped” at: 
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xrLe6TWO16A_channel=EdDurbrow
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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[LUTE] Re: gluing body fret

[David van Ooijen]

   I always wedge an eraser between fret and string to keep the fret in
   place while drying.
   On Wednesday, 8 June 2016, Ed Durbrow <[1]edurb...@gmail.com> wrote:

 Thank you Everett, Sterling, Dan and Martin for the guidance. I
 don't have any hide glue. That is kind of a speciality item for
 luthiers, isn't it? I read here that there is a learning curve:
 [2]http://www.frets.com/FretsPages/Luthier/Data/Materials/hideglue.h
 tml. I have some no-brand white glue, but is Titebond not considered
 a white glue? I know it is more yellow, but what do you think? I can
 try the no-brand white glue and see if it is successful. What is the
 downside of Titebond?
 Thank you.
 Ed Durbrow
 Check out my music video "Trumped" at:
 [3]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xrLe6TWO16A_channel=EdDurbrow
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[LUTE] Re: gluing body fret

[Ed Durbrow]

Thank you Everett, Sterling, Dan and Martin for the guidance. I don’t have any 
hide glue. That is kind of a speciality item for luthiers, isn’t it? I read 
here that there is a learning curve: 
http://www.frets.com/FretsPages/Luthier/Data/Materials/hideglue.html. I have 
some no-brand white glue, but is Titebond not considered a white glue? I know 
it is more yellow, but what do you think? I can try the no-brand white glue and 
see if it is successful. What is the downside of Titebond?
Thank you.


Ed Durbrow
Check out my music video “Trumped” at: 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xrLe6TWO16A_channel=EdDurbrow






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[LUTE] Re: gluing body fret

[Martin Shepherd]

I agree with Sterling about the positioning of body frets - you can 
really only do it when the lute is strung and in tune.  But of course if 
Ed's fret was OK before, the position of it will be easy enough to see.  
Personally I use hide glue, which sticks so instantly it needs no 
clamping - just hold the strings down onto the fret with your fingers 
for about 30 seconds.


Best wishes to all,

Martin

On 08/06/2016 06:18, Ed Durbrow wrote:

The 9th fret (lowest body fret) has come off my main Ren lute. I looked for, 
but could not find any kind of guide about gluing body frets on the Internet. 
Can anyone give me some hints? I was thinking of just putting a thin coat of 
Titebond on the back of the fret and put it in the quite visible outline of 
where the fret was. I wondered about putting tape on both sides first to stop 
the spread of glue or rather wiping any excess glue off. Wiping off excess glue 
would be difficult, I think, if I have a weight on the fret while drying.

Ed Durbrow
Saitama, Japan
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[LUTE] Re: gluing body fret

[Dan Winheld]

X2 on the white glue. In this age of 10-ton epoxies & cyanoacrylates 
white glue gets no respect, but body frets are among those pesky little 
items for which white glue really is the best deal. In thin layers, it 
dries clear so I wouldn't worry about a little squeeze out. Exact 
placement really is the most troublesome part of the job. No fun when 
the fret starts sliding around- careful placement & even pressure; 
calmness & patience required here.

Dan

On 6/7/2016 10:09 PM, sterling price wrote:

I'm sure everyone has their own ways to deal with this, but I always
just apply a thin layer of white glue on the bottom of the fret (this
is about the only place  where white glue is acceptable on a lute).
Press it down and hold firmly with your hands till dry (2-3 minutes is
enough). If the glue has squeezout you have put on too much.  The
critical part is getting the frets in the right place and I don't think
this can be done without having the strings on and in tune. I've had a
few new lutes from well known makers where the body frets were off by
several millimeters.
SP
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From: Ed Durbrow 
To: lute list 
Sent: Tuesday, June 7, 2016 10:18 PM
Subject: [LUTE] gluing body fret
The 9th fret (lowest body fret) has come off my main Ren lute. I looked
for, but could not find any kind of guide about gluing body frets on
the Internet. Can anyone give me some hints? I was thinking of just
putting a thin coat of Titebond on the back of the fret and put it in
the quite visible outline of where the fret was. I wondered about
putting tape on both sides first to stop the spread of glue or rather
wiping any excess glue off. Wiping off excess glue would be difficult,
I think, if I have a weight on the fret while drying.
Ed Durbrow
Saitama, Japan
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[2]https://soundcloud.com/ed-durbrow
[3]http://www9.plala.or.jp/edurbrow/
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[LUTE] Re: gluing body fret

[sterling price]

   I'm sure everyone has their own ways to deal with this, but I always
   just apply a thin layer of white glue on the bottom of the fret (this
   is about the only place  where white glue is acceptable on a lute).
   Press it down and hold firmly with your hands till dry (2-3 minutes is
   enough). If the glue has squeezout you have put on too much.  The
   critical part is getting the frets in the right place and I don't think
   this can be done without having the strings on and in tune. I've had a
   few new lutes from well known makers where the body frets were off by
   several millimeters.
   SP
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   From: Ed Durbrow 
   To: lute list 
   Sent: Tuesday, June 7, 2016 10:18 PM
   Subject: [LUTE] gluing body fret
   The 9th fret (lowest body fret) has come off my main Ren lute. I looked
   for, but could not find any kind of guide about gluing body frets on
   the Internet. Can anyone give me some hints? I was thinking of just
   putting a thin coat of Titebond on the back of the fret and put it in
   the quite visible outline of where the fret was. I wondered about
   putting tape on both sides first to stop the spread of glue or rather
   wiping any excess glue off. Wiping off excess glue would be difficult,
   I think, if I have a weight on the fret while drying.
   Ed Durbrow
   Saitama, Japan
   [1]http://www.youtube.com/user/edurbrow?feature=watch
   [2]https://soundcloud.com/ed-durbrow
   [3]http://www9.plala.or.jp/edurbrow/
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