Re: How much are Nxxx open?
Hi, On Mon, 2009-08-31 at 18:27 -0400, Jason Edgecombe wrote: I'm not sure how open the phone part is because they haven't come out yet. I can tell you that the non-phone predecessors are very open. There are two things that aren't open: the OpenGL video drivers and the wifi drivers. Apparently there's a bit more than that: http://wiki.maemo.org/Why_the_closed_packages Xav ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: How much are Nxxx open?
On Tue, 2009-09-01 at 09:52 +0200, Xavier Bestel wrote: On Mon, 2009-08-31 at 18:27 -0400, Jason Edgecombe wrote: I'm not sure how open the phone part is because they haven't come out yet. I can tell you that the non-phone predecessors are very open. There are two things that aren't open: the OpenGL video drivers and the wifi drivers. Apparently there's a bit more than that: http://wiki.maemo.org/Why_the_closed_packages Although it is not clear at all which of those packages are still closed in Fremantle, this looks more like a maemo 4 list. Ralph ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: How much are Nxxx open?
On Tue, 2009-09-01 at 10:54 +0200, Ralph Angenendt wrote: On Tue, 2009-09-01 at 09:52 +0200, Xavier Bestel wrote: On Mon, 2009-08-31 at 18:27 -0400, Jason Edgecombe wrote: I'm not sure how open the phone part is because they haven't come out yet. I can tell you that the non-phone predecessors are very open. There are two things that aren't open: the OpenGL video drivers and the wifi drivers. Apparently there's a bit more than that: http://wiki.maemo.org/Why_the_closed_packages Although it is not clear at all which of those packages are still closed in Fremantle, this looks more like a maemo 4 list. Yes, that's what Jason talked about: non-phone predecessors are very open. Xav ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Code cookbook for Maemo?
Hi, A few guys from our product management got an idea of a 'code cookbook'. A sort of wiki-like place where you could copy-paste snippets of code, tag and comment on them. Then by searching on the tags or text you could find pieces of code that do a specific thing. The idea would be to make life simpler for developers, by providing them with a cookbook from where to find usefull algorithms for things that most people run into or need to be coded in some particular way. Based on quick googling it's not an original idea (code-cookbook.com). Would it make sense to have something like that in maemo.org? Naturally with an open contribution system. Tero ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Code cookbook for Maemo?
Hi, 2009/9/1 tero.k...@nokia.com: Hi, A few guys from our product management got an idea of a 'code cookbook'. A sort of wiki-like place where you could copy-paste snippets of code, tag and comment on them. Then by searching on the tags or text you could find pieces of code that do a specific thing. I think it's a good idea! Anyway I'll try to propose again the same idea I told to Quim during the Maemo Summit 2008: why don't we try to write a book on Maemo programming? Please don't reply me with: but... writing applications for Maemo is like writing applications for Linux, because it's not :P There's a lot to say about how to setup development environment, which IDE to use (how to use ESBox for example), how to create packages, explaining Hildon widgets ecc. Regards, -- Andrea Grandi email: a.grandi [AT] gmail [DOT] com website: http://www.andreagrandi.it PGP Key: http://www.andreagrandi.it/pgp_key.asc ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Code cookbook for Maemo?
tero, great idea! on this subject, a couple of days ago i updated the wiki article on accelerometers to include a smoothing function (if required) which works really well on my x41 and stopped any jitter :) gary On Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 11:03 AM, Andrea Grandi a.gra...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, 2009/9/1 tero.k...@nokia.com: Hi, A few guys from our product management got an idea of a 'code cookbook'. A sort of wiki-like place where you could copy-paste snippets of code, tag and comment on them. Then by searching on the tags or text you could find pieces of code that do a specific thing. I think it's a good idea! Anyway I'll try to propose again the same idea I told to Quim during the Maemo Summit 2008: why don't we try to write a book on Maemo programming? Please don't reply me with: but... writing applications for Maemo is like writing applications for Linux, because it's not :P There's a lot to say about how to setup development environment, which IDE to use (how to use ESBox for example), how to create packages, explaining Hildon widgets ecc. Regards, -- Andrea Grandi email: a.grandi [AT] gmail [DOT] com website: http://www.andreagrandi.it PGP Key: http://www.andreagrandi.it/pgp_key.asc ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
WRT or W3C widgets
Hi all, i've searched in the archives and found nothing about this, so here is my question. Since this is mobile computer/OS web 2.0, do you plan to support WRT/ W3C widgets? Best. DM ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: WRT or W3C widgets
Hi, ext Delfim Machado wrote: Hi all, i've searched in the archives and found nothing about this, so here is my question. Since this is mobile computer/OS web 2.0, do you plan to support WRT/ W3C widgets? They are currently not supported but they will be coming at some point. Official announcements to come by http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_Summit_2009/Schedule#Friday.2C_October_9 latest. Maemo Summit 2009 Friday, October 9 17.00 - 17.25 Developing apps with Nokia Web Runtime Santtu Ahonen, Head of Developer Offering, Nokia -- Quim Gil open source advocate Maemo Devices @ Nokia ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Code cookbook for Maemo?
On Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 12:03 PM, Andrea Grandi a.gra...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, 2009/9/1 tero.k...@nokia.com: Hi, A few guys from our product management got an idea of a 'code cookbook'. A sort of wiki-like place where you could copy-paste snippets of code, tag and comment on them. Then by searching on the tags or text you could find pieces of code that do a specific thing. Good idea, IMO, but we need to implement a similar system to code-cookbook.com, or Midgard has something that can be used/recoded ? I think it's a good idea! Anyway I'll try to propose again the same idea I told to Quim during the Maemo Summit 2008: why don't we try to write a book on Maemo programming? Sorry, but couldn't resist :D : http://littlechina.org/~lfelipe/etrunko.png Best regards, -- Valério Valério http://www.valeriovalerio.org Please don't reply me with: but... writing applications for Maemo is like writing applications for Linux, because it's not :P There's a lot to say about how to setup development environment, which IDE to use (how to use ESBox for example), how to create packages, explaining Hildon widgets ecc. Regards, -- Andrea Grandi email: a.grandi [AT] gmail [DOT] com website: http://www.andreagrandi.it PGP Key: http://www.andreagrandi.it/pgp_key.asc ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Code cookbook for Maemo?
On Sep 1, 2009, at 12:49, tero.k...@nokia.com tero.k...@nokia.com wrote: Hi, A few guys from our product management got an idea of a 'code cookbook'. A sort of wiki-like place where you could copy-paste snippets of code, tag and comment on them. Then by searching on the tags or text you could find pieces of code that do a specific thing. The idea would be to make life simpler for developers, by providing them with a cookbook from where to find usefull algorithms for things that most people run into or need to be coded in some particular way. Based on quick googling it's not an original idea (code-cookbook.com). Would it make sense to have something like that in maemo.org? Naturally with an open contribution system. Great idea. Jeremiah ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: WRT or W3C widgets
Hello, On Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 12:09 PM, Delfim Machado d...@co.sapo.pt wrote: Hi all, i've searched in the archives and found nothing about this, so here is my question. Since this is mobile computer/OS web 2.0, do you plan to support WRT/ W3C widgets? I guess Nokia WRT will be supported, according to the Maemo Summit talks[1], but I don't saw any official announcement on that so far. [1] - http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_Summit_2009/Schedule Best, -- Valério Valério http://www.valeriovalerio.org Best. DM ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: WRT or W3C widgets
Nice question for Nokia World QA Wiki [1], I've added it [1] http://wiki.maemo.org/NokiaWorld_2009_QA#N900_browser_questions 2009/9/1 Delfim Machado d...@co.sapo.pt: Hi all, i've searched in the archives and found nothing about this, so here is my question. Since this is mobile computer/OS web 2.0, do you plan to support WRT/ W3C widgets? Best. DM ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers -- J. Manrique López de la Fuente http://www.jsmanrique.es ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: WRT or W3C widgets
It seems I can add the answer to the wiki too :( It seems interesting seeing that Nokia will add Nokia WRT support in Maemo (based on Webkit in Symbian devices) since it is using Gecko/Mozilla runtime in Maemo... Are maemo WRT people involved (somehow) in W3C WebbApps initiative[1]? I know Art Barstow is one of co-chairs, so, who knows.. (reading W3C meetings minutes I've found some references to maemo) [1] http://www.w3.org/2008/webapps/ 2009/9/1 Valerio Valerio vdv...@gmail.com: Hello, On Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 12:09 PM, Delfim Machado d...@co.sapo.pt wrote: Hi all, i've searched in the archives and found nothing about this, so here is my question. Since this is mobile computer/OS web 2.0, do you plan to support WRT/ W3C widgets? I guess Nokia WRT will be supported, according to the Maemo Summit talks[1], but I don't saw any official announcement on that so far. [1] - http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_Summit_2009/Schedule Best, -- Valério Valério http://www.valeriovalerio.org Best. DM ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers -- J. Manrique López de la Fuente http://www.jsmanrique.es ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Code cookbook for Maemo?
tero.k...@nokia.com wrote: A few guys from our product management got an idea of a 'code cookbook'. A sort of wiki-like place where you could copy-paste snippets of code, tag and comment on them. Then by searching on the tags or text you could find pieces of code that do a specific thing. The idea would be to make life simpler for developers, by providing them with a cookbook from where to find usefull algorithms for things that most people run into or need to be coded in some particular way. Excellent idea! Could you, however, explain how is this different from the existing Code Snippets page in Garage: https://garage.maemo.org/snippet/ ;) BR, Henrik -- Henrik Hedberg - http://www.henrikhedberg.net/ ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: WRT or W3C widgets
Well, again, I have to answer myself. It seems that W3C widgets will work in Maemo 5, or at least is under development: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapps/2009JulSep/0086.html [...]An application author wrote an application for Maemo 4, and we tested it in Maemo 5[...] Since W3C Mobile Web Initiative (where I am involved) is near to its end, I hope I could join W3C WebApps... 2009/9/1 Jose Manrique Lopez de la Fuente jsmanri...@gmail.com: It seems I can add the answer to the wiki too :( It seems interesting seeing that Nokia will add Nokia WRT support in Maemo (based on Webkit in Symbian devices) since it is using Gecko/Mozilla runtime in Maemo... Are maemo WRT people involved (somehow) in W3C WebbApps initiative[1]? I know Art Barstow is one of co-chairs, so, who knows.. (reading W3C meetings minutes I've found some references to maemo) [1] http://www.w3.org/2008/webapps/ 2009/9/1 Valerio Valerio vdv...@gmail.com: Hello, On Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 12:09 PM, Delfim Machado d...@co.sapo.pt wrote: Hi all, i've searched in the archives and found nothing about this, so here is my question. Since this is mobile computer/OS web 2.0, do you plan to support WRT/ W3C widgets? I guess Nokia WRT will be supported, according to the Maemo Summit talks[1], but I don't saw any official announcement on that so far. [1] - http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_Summit_2009/Schedule Best, -- Valério Valério http://www.valeriovalerio.org Best. DM ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers -- J. Manrique López de la Fuente http://www.jsmanrique.es -- J. Manrique López de la Fuente http://www.jsmanrique.es ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: WRT or W3C widgets
Thanks all for your answers. DM On Sep 1, 2009, at 12:27 PM, Jose Manrique Lopez de la Fuente wrote: Nice question for Nokia World QA Wiki [1], I've added it [1] http://wiki.maemo.org/NokiaWorld_2009_QA#N900_browser_questions 2009/9/1 Delfim Machado d...@co.sapo.pt: Hi all, i've searched in the archives and found nothing about this, so here is my question. Since this is mobile computer/OS web 2.0, do you plan to support WRT/ W3C widgets? Best. DM ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers -- J. Manrique López de la Fuente http://www.jsmanrique.es ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: WRT or W3C widgets
All good news, keep them coming! :) DM On Sep 1, 2009, at 12:49 PM, Jose Manrique Lopez de la Fuente wrote: Well, again, I have to answer myself. It seems that W3C widgets will work in Maemo 5, or at least is under development: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapps/2009JulSep/ 0086.html [...]An application author wrote an application for Maemo 4, and we tested it in Maemo 5[...] Since W3C Mobile Web Initiative (where I am involved) is near to its end, I hope I could join W3C WebApps... 2009/9/1 Jose Manrique Lopez de la Fuente jsmanri...@gmail.com: It seems I can add the answer to the wiki too :( It seems interesting seeing that Nokia will add Nokia WRT support in Maemo (based on Webkit in Symbian devices) since it is using Gecko/Mozilla runtime in Maemo... Are maemo WRT people involved (somehow) in W3C WebbApps initiative[1]? I know Art Barstow is one of co-chairs, so, who knows.. (reading W3C meetings minutes I've found some references to maemo) [1] http://www.w3.org/2008/webapps/ 2009/9/1 Valerio Valerio vdv...@gmail.com: Hello, On Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 12:09 PM, Delfim Machado d...@co.sapo.pt wrote: Hi all, i've searched in the archives and found nothing about this, so here is my question. Since this is mobile computer/OS web 2.0, do you plan to support WRT/ W3C widgets? I guess Nokia WRT will be supported, according to the Maemo Summit talks[1], but I don't saw any official announcement on that so far. [1] - http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_Summit_2009/Schedule Best, -- Valério Valério http://www.valeriovalerio.org Best. DM ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers -- J. Manrique López de la Fuente http://www.jsmanrique.es -- J. Manrique López de la Fuente http://www.jsmanrique.es ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: WRT or W3C widgets
On Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 12:49, Jose Manrique Lopez de la Fuentejsmanri...@gmail.com wrote: Well, again, I have to answer myself. It seems that W3C widgets will work in Maemo 5, or at least is under development: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapps/2009JulSep/0086.html [...]An application author wrote an application for Maemo 4, and we tested it in Maemo 5[...] I think you are misreading that quote. timeless is explaining localisation (l10n) problems with a design, and uses Maemo Mapper as an example. He then describes Maemo Mapper by equating it with a widget. HTH, Andrew -- Andrew Flegg -- mailto:and...@bleb.org | http://www.bleb.org/ Maemo Community Council chair ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Developer device program
Hay, I wonder, if I am the only guy left reading this mailing list, who does not have a N900. Does anybody know about the plans for a developer device program. In case this will not be availible: Can anybody test programs on the N900 device? Would be happy to know, if my application is working :-) https://garage.maemo.org/tracker/index.php?func=detailaid=4451group_id=119atid=505 Detlef ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Developer device program
Hi, 2009/9/1 ds d...@physik.de: Hay, I wonder, if I am the only guy left reading this mailing list, who does not have a N900. don't worry, you're not alone :) Does anybody know about the plans for a developer device program. I can suppose they're going to repeat it, but really don't know how/when/where ecc... In case this will not be availible: Can anybody test programs on the N900 device? just upload them to the repository, I imagine there are lot of testers out there who will be happy to test it. By the way... what is the name of your application? Regards, -- Andrea Grandi email: a.grandi [AT] gmail [DOT] com website: http://www.andreagrandi.it PGP Key: http://www.andreagrandi.it/pgp_key.asc ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: How much are Nxxx open?
On Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 9:44 AM, Frantisek Dufkaduf...@seznam.cz wrote: Nicola Mfb wrote: [...] Bootloader on N8x0 and 770 is closed. Kernel and rootfs can be replaced but for best experience one needs to stay with Nokia released kernel versions (2.6.18, 2.6.21). Other versions boot too but not everything is working 100% since some bits are closed or never went upstream or were removed due to bit rot (dspgateway). The freerunner is going to run 2.6.31, the process to submit code upstream started and will be completed quickly. Due to 3d interaction with dri/drm kernel part, or similar other things I guess the n900 kernel will be stonith at some point, that's a bit sad. With N900 we don't know yet but hopefully the bootloader will be u-boot. That's nice, the best would be if we'll be able to update/replace u-boot, and have a way to debrick the device if something goes wrong. I found a thread where an n810 user had to pay to cold reflash its device in nokia center, I did not dig deeply on that, only was warned. Also the hardware is very similar to other OMAP3 based devices (OpenPandora, Beagleboard, Touchbook, even Palm Pre) so the chance of bit rotting is lower. Previously problematic parts (wi-fi, dsp) are more open now, new May you elaborate please? wifi is exposed normally? may we use wpa_supplicant, hostap for master mode? and about dsp, is not there a transparent alsa driver to play anything with any software or to switch connections between the gsm/umts module and mic/earpiece (about that I guess we have to wait a bit more :) ? 'problematic' stuff is 3d and phone parts. 3d have kernel parts open but userspace is not, phone is hopefully open enough. Overall I guess it will be Again about that, are applications able to full use opengl acceleration without using closed userspace libraries? perfect as a Linux hacking device if you like N900 hardware. It depends on how much the closed part is exposed and flexible, the linux on phones project needs freedom to grow. I understand the Nokia differentiation concept and think this is compatible with open hardware specs and write your alternative OS. Actually OpenMoko stopped development and support of freerunner and there are no plans for developing further devices, the important part is that after three years there is now an experienced community that is bringing to the light the linux on phones project. There is a middleware (www.freesmartphone.org) actively developed and running on several phone devices and really more complete than ofono, and there are a lot of experienced developers that for years are enjoying embedded/mobile world, and finally a lot of brainstorming about all that from common users. It would be very nice if the N900 as of it phone module may be one of the next devices that our community may support and join, that's the reason of my questions. I guess N900 may already fit most Linux geeks needs, and I think I'll buy one of it and join the maemo community anyway, but I'm just speaking about a bigger concept. The hardware is exposed by kernel in a standard way, e.g. the phone audio connections are managed by alsa while on other fakefree devices (like HTC dream) there are some closed source libraries to do that preventing the port of opensource phone stack (FSO). The oFono phone stack is open. http://lwn.net/Articles/332820/ There were an irc discussion on that, it was revealed that there is no ofono on N900, but it seems to be in the nokia todo list (I hope with N900 too) so if and when it will be ready this should help in FSO supporting it. Finally, it may be nice if Nokia may donate some devices to FSO and OpenEmbedded core team, any interest/chance about that? Thank you very much and best regards Nicola ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: How much are Nxxx open?
Nicola Mfb wrote: I come from OpenMoko Freerunner experience, where I'm able to flash the bootloader, the logo, the kernel, the rootfs and have multiple boot option to run several linux distro on different sd partitions. There are two bootloaders, the first in NOR readonly, the second in NAND and is used as default and is flashable, so you are able to use a modern and upgradable bootloader and if something goes wrong are able to debrick it booting from NOR, making the freerunner perfect as a Linux hacking device. Bootloader on N8x0 and 770 is closed. Kernel and rootfs can be replaced but for best experience one needs to stay with Nokia released kernel versions (2.6.18, 2.6.21). Other versions boot too but not everything is working 100% since some bits are closed or never went upstream or were removed due to bit rot (dspgateway). With N900 we don't know yet but hopefully the bootloader will be u-boot. Also the hardware is very similar to other OMAP3 based devices (OpenPandora, Beagleboard, Touchbook, even Palm Pre) so the chance of bit rotting is lower. Previously problematic parts (wi-fi, dsp) are more open now, new 'problematic' stuff is 3d and phone parts. 3d have kernel parts open but userspace is not, phone is hopefully open enough. Overall I guess it will be perfect as a Linux hacking device if you like N900 hardware. The hardware is exposed by kernel in a standard way, e.g. the phone audio connections are managed by alsa while on other fakefree devices (like HTC dream) there are some closed source libraries to do that preventing the port of opensource phone stack (FSO). The oFono phone stack is open. http://lwn.net/Articles/332820/ So may someone explain what's about the N900? How much is it open? Wee need to wait a bit until first hardware gets into our hands. Do we have dmesg log already? Frantisek ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Developer device program
Am Dienstag, den 01.09.2009, 14:51 +0200 schrieb ds: Can anybody test programs on the N900 device? A few people are currently testing some applications. I don't think that testing all available apps before the N900 gets released is possible though as there's also lots of other stuff to do - you can imagine. Would be happy to know, if my application is working :-) https://garage.maemo.org/tracker/index.php?func=detailaid=4451group_id=119atid=505 It does not install. See http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-devel_free_armel/vncviewer/0.6.1-diablo1 andre -- Andre Klapper (maemo.org bugmaster) ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Code cookbook for Maemo?
If you do a such cookbook i ll like to link it with PySnippet ! Best regards, On Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 1:42 PM, Henrik Hedberghenrik.hedb...@innologies.fi wrote: tero.k...@nokia.com wrote: A few guys from our product management got an idea of a 'code cookbook'. A sort of wiki-like place where you could copy-paste snippets of code, tag and comment on them. Then by searching on the tags or text you could find pieces of code that do a specific thing. The idea would be to make life simpler for developers, by providing them with a cookbook from where to find usefull algorithms for things that most people run into or need to be coded in some particular way. Excellent idea! Could you, however, explain how is this different from the existing Code Snippets page in Garage: https://garage.maemo.org/snippet/ ;) BR, Henrik -- Henrik Hedberg - http://www.henrikhedberg.net/ ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers -- Benoît HERVIER - http://khertan.net/ ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Developer device program
On Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 3:04 PM, Andre Klapper aklap...@openismus.comwrote: Am Dienstag, den 01.09.2009, 14:51 +0200 schrieb ds: Can anybody test programs on the N900 device? A few people are currently testing some applications. I don't think that testing all available apps before the N900 gets released is possible though as there's also lots of other stuff to do - you can imagine. It doesn't seem so, all packages waiting in the extras-testing QA queue - mine (mrawviewer) is one of those - received no karma points till now... Let's see what happens! Luca Donaggio ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Developer device program
Am Dienstag, den 01.09.2009, 14:55 +0200 schrieb Andrea Grandi: Hi, 2009/9/1 ds d...@physik.de: Hay, I wonder, if I am the only guy left reading this mailing list, who does not have a N900. don't worry, you're not alone :) Great, or not:-) Does anybody know about the plans for a developer device program. I can suppose they're going to repeat it, but really don't know how/when/where ecc... In case this will not be availible: Can anybody test programs on the N900 device? just upload them to the repository, I imagine there are lot of testers out there who will be happy to test it. I send it to the fremantle-extras-builder some weeks ago and the build was indicated OK. So it should be availible in extras-devel, if everything works the same as for diablo By the way... what is the name of your application? vncviewer:-) Regards, ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Getting information on N900 build (was: Developer device program)
Am Dienstag, den 01.09.2009, 15:04 +0200 schrieb Andre Klapper: Am Dienstag, den 01.09.2009, 14:51 +0200 schrieb ds: Can anybody test programs on the N900 device? A few people are currently testing some applications. I don't think that testing all available apps before the N900 gets released is possible though as there's also lots of other stuff to do - you can imagine. Would be happy to know, if my application is working :-) https://garage.maemo.org/tracker/index.php?func=detailaid=4451group_id=119atid=505 It does not install. See http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-devel_free_armel/vncviewer/0.6.1-diablo1 Thanks a lot, I did not know where to find this. Do you have any idea, why this is not indicated during building the application? andre ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Getting information on N900 build (was: Developer device program)
Hi, On Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 2:21 PM, ds d...@physik.de wrote: Am Dienstag, den 01.09.2009, 15:04 +0200 schrieb Andre Klapper: Am Dienstag, den 01.09.2009, 14:51 +0200 schrieb ds: Can anybody test programs on the N900 device? A few people are currently testing some applications. I don't think that testing all available apps before the N900 gets released is possible though as there's also lots of other stuff to do - you can imagine. Would be happy to know, if my application is working :-) https://garage.maemo.org/tracker/index.php?func=detailaid=4451group_id=119atid=505 It does not install. See http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-devel_free_armel/vncviewer/0.6.1-diablo1 Thanks a lot, I did not know where to find this. Do you have any idea, why this is not indicated during building the application? Because is a runtime/install dependency. Check this: http://wiki.maemo.org/Q%26A_Porting_to_Fremantle#maemo-select-menu-location:_command_not_found Best, -- Valério Valério http://www.valeriovalerio.org andre ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Developer device program
On Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 3:13 PM, ds d...@physik.de wrote: Am Dienstag, den 01.09.2009, 14:55 +0200 schrieb Andrea Grandi: Hi, 2009/9/1 ds d...@physik.de: Hay, I wonder, if I am the only guy left reading this mailing list, who does not have a N900. don't worry, you're not alone :) Great, or not:-) Does anybody know about the plans for a developer device program. I can suppose they're going to repeat it, but really don't know how/when/where ecc... In case this will not be availible: Can anybody test programs on the N900 device? just upload them to the repository, I imagine there are lot of testers out there who will be happy to test it. I send it to the fremantle-extras-builder some weeks ago and the build was indicated OK. So it should be availible in extras-devel, if everything works the same as for diablo Things for Fremantle are a little bit different: after extras-devel you have to promote your package to extras-testing through the Package Interface [1] and there that's where things got complicated: your app need to collect some karma points from unspecified (yet) testers until it could be moved to the extras repository. As I said before, all apps waiting there still has gathered 0 karma points, as you can see here [2] By the way... what is the name of your application? vncviewer:-) Regards, ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers [1] https://maemo.org/packages/ [2] https://maemo.org/packages/repository/qa/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/ Luca Donaggio ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Developer device program
On Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 3:33 PM, Luca Donaggio donag...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 3:13 PM, ds d...@physik.de wrote: Am Dienstag, den 01.09.2009, 14:55 +0200 schrieb Andrea Grandi: Hi, 2009/9/1 ds d...@physik.de: Hay, I wonder, if I am the only guy left reading this mailing list, who does not have a N900. don't worry, you're not alone :) Great, or not:-) Does anybody know about the plans for a developer device program. I can suppose they're going to repeat it, but really don't know how/when/where ecc... In case this will not be availible: Can anybody test programs on the N900 device? just upload them to the repository, I imagine there are lot of testers out there who will be happy to test it. I send it to the fremantle-extras-builder some weeks ago and the build was indicated OK. So it should be availible in extras-devel, if everything works the same as for diablo Things for Fremantle are a little bit different: after extras-devel you have to promote your package to extras-testing through the Package Interface [1] and there that's where things got complicated: your app need to collect some karma points from unspecified (yet) testers until it could be moved to the extras repository. As I said before, all apps waiting there still has gathered 0 karma points, as you can see here [2] Ooops... I just received a feedback for my app... maybe something is moving! Time to go back coding and do some bugfixing ;-) ! Luca Donaggio ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: How much are Nxxx open?
Nicola Mfb wrote: With N900 we don't know yet but hopefully the bootloader will be u-boot. That's nice, the best would be if we'll be able to update/replace u-boot, and have a way to debrick the device if something goes wrong. u-boot is just my guess, any other choice does not look sane to me, but still it can be a wrong guess. OMAP3 is designed to be unbrickable, it can boot from usb or serial or mmc directly from its boot ROM, bootloader in flash is not needed. I'm not sure how configurable is the priority list for booting (i.e. if it could be locked to load bootloader only from NAND flash) but hopefully it will by possible to bypass even the bootloader in NAND(u-boot or whatever). See also http://elinux.org/BeagleBoard#BootRom Also the hardware is very similar to other OMAP3 based devices (OpenPandora, Beagleboard, Touchbook, even Palm Pre) so the chance of bit rotting is lower. Previously problematic parts (wi-fi, dsp) are more open now, new May you elaborate please? wifi is exposed normally? In N900? Yes. N8x0 used own closed wireless stack and own closed wlan driver. Wlan driver was opened later but it needs newer kernel which lacks other stuff. See http://stlc45xx.garage.maemo.org N900 uses normal mac80211 kernel stack and the wl1251 driver is open source too. Also apart from Nokia being more open with N900 also TI is more open with OMAP3 in general (unlike with OMAP2 based N8x0) so there is more information available and bigger community overall. beagleboard.org community is quite active Again about that, are applications able to full use opengl acceleration without using closed userspace libraries? Not now. Looks like PowerVR's business model is currently not open source friendly :-) Maybe someone will write open alternative in future? http://forum.openhandhelds.org/viewtopic.php?f=14t=341 Finally, it may be nice if Nokia may donate some devices to FSO and OpenEmbedded core team, any interest/chance about that? We don't know yet about N900 device developer program but it may be useful to join maemo.org community right now and become a karma hunter ;-) For previous program check http://flors.wordpress.com/2007/10/19/n810-maemo-device-program/ http://flors.wordpress.com/2007/11/05/rewarding-community-contributors/ Also having application in Fremantle extras-devel repository might be a good idea :-) Frantisek ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: How much are Nxxx open?
On Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 5:43 PM, Frantisek Dufkaduf...@seznam.cz wrote: Nicola Mfb wrote: With N900 we don't know yet but hopefully the bootloader will be u-boot. That's nice, the best would be if we'll be able to update/replace u-boot, and have a way to debrick the device if something goes wrong. u-boot is just my guess, any other choice does not look sane to me, but still it can be a wrong guess. OMAP3 is designed to be unbrickable, it can boot from usb or serial or mmc directly from its boot ROM, bootloader in flash is not needed. I'm not sure how configurable is the priority list for booting (i.e. if it could be locked to load bootloader only from NAND flash) but hopefully it will by possible to bypass even the bootloader in NAND(u-boot or whatever). See also http://elinux.org/BeagleBoard#BootRom Very nice!, that with free u-boot (we hope) may be perfect! May you elaborate please? wifi is exposed normally? In N900? Yes. N8x0 used own closed wireless stack and own closed wlan driver. Wlan driver was opened later but it needs newer kernel which lacks other stuff. See http://stlc45xx.garage.maemo.org N900 uses normal mac80211 kernel stack and the wl1251 driver is open source too. Very nice too! Also apart from Nokia being more open with N900 also TI is more open with OMAP3 in general (unlike with OMAP2 based N8x0) so there is more information available and bigger community overall. beagleboard.org community is quite active Again about that, are applications able to full use opengl acceleration without using closed userspace libraries? Not now. Looks like PowerVR's business model is currently not open source friendly :-) Maybe someone will write open alternative in future? http://forum.openhandhelds.org/viewtopic.php?f=14t=341 Not so nice :(, I hope we have at least an X11 full 2D/XVideo accelerated driver right? Finally, it may be nice if Nokia may donate some devices to FSO and OpenEmbedded core team, any interest/chance about that? We don't know yet about N900 device developer program but it may be useful to join maemo.org community right now and become a karma hunter ;-) For previous program check http://flors.wordpress.com/2007/10/19/n810-maemo-device-program/ http://flors.wordpress.com/2007/11/05/rewarding-community-contributors/ Also having application in Fremantle extras-devel repository might be a good idea :-) I'll begin digging in that ;) Frantisek, thanks for you detailed and gentle answer, now I miss only the audio alsa/dsp part if possible. Best Regards Nicola ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: How much are Nxxx open?
On Tue, 1 Sep 2009, Frantisek Dufka wrote: Nicola Mfb wrote: With N900 we don't know yet but hopefully the bootloader will be u-boot. That's nice, the best would be if we'll be able to update/replace u-boot, and have a way to debrick the device if something goes wrong. u-boot is just my guess, any other choice does not look sane to me, but still it can be a wrong guess. OMAP3 is designed to be unbrickable, it can boot from usb or serial or mmc directly from its boot ROM, bootloader in flash is not needed. I'm not sure how configurable is the priority list for booting (i.e. if it could be locked to load bootloader only from NAND flash) but hopefully it will by possible to bypass even the bootloader in NAND(u-boot or whatever). Boot configuration priorities are controlled through specific pins on the device, which might be hardwired on the device board to force a specific configuration. Disabling USB boot entirely from the booting sequence is possible. There might be security concerns with USB booting, but large customers, such as Nokia, may be also able to push features to the internal boot ROM that solve these issues. See OMAP34xx Wireless Technical Reference Manual (SWPU114U_FinalEPDF_08_17_2009.pdf), 26.2.3 Boot configuration for more detailed explanation. -kirma ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Developer device program
On Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 3:40 PM, Luca Donaggiodonag...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 3:33 PM, Luca Donaggio donag...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 3:13 PM, ds d...@physik.de wrote: Am Dienstag, den 01.09.2009, 14:55 +0200 schrieb Andrea Grandi: Hi, 2009/9/1 ds d...@physik.de: Hay, I wonder, if I am the only guy left reading this mailing list, who does not have a N900. don't worry, you're not alone :) Great, or not:-) yep not alone :) i ve done some test with the sdk and my apps ... but python isn't stable at all ... segfault everytimes :( If someone have the device maybe could say me if it segfault too in it ? (PyGTKEditor 2.4.1-2 , in extras-devel) Thks -- Benoît HERVIER - http://khertan.net/ ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Developer device program
Hi, 2009/9/2 Benoît HERVIER kher...@khertan.net: i ve done some test with the sdk and my apps ... but python isn't stable at all ... segfault everytimes :( please could you submit Python related bugs/segfault tu bugs.maemo.org choosing PyMaemo ad product, so the whole PyMaemo team will be aware of these problems and will try to fix them. Thanks :) -- Andrea Grandi email: a.grandi [AT] gmail [DOT] com website: http://www.andreagrandi.it PGP Key: http://www.andreagrandi.it/pgp_key.asc ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
