Fwd: Re-inventing the GNOME Marketing team
OK, wondered why I didn't get any response didn't reply to all. Sorry! -- Forwarded message -- From: Ken VanDine [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Apr 26, 2007 12:15 AM Subject: Re: Re-inventing the GNOME Marketing team To: Sriram Ramkrishna [EMAIL PROTECTED] Proposed Agenda: - Set the stage (by Ken VanDine) - What areas do we need to work on in the next 6 months (brainstorm) - Determine 3 or 4 areas we should focus on, and assign somebody to lead each - Define success goals for each area (if we think this makes sense) - Should the marketing team have milestones? - Checkpoints setup to discuss goals, re-evaluate goals, etc. - How often? IRC, email, ??? Anyone wishing to participate, please send me your city and if any times are bad around monday or tuesday. I will plug everyone's city in and see what works the best for the masses. Thanks, --Ken On 4/25/07, Sriram Ramkrishna [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Clearly we are past the brainstorming part and we should be executing tasks. :-) sri On Wed, Apr 25, 2007 at 01:38:42PM +1200, John Williams wrote: Dudes and Dudettes, I would like to seek some clarification and offer some advice. I am sure it is old advice to some, but what the hay. We seem to be discussing two separate issues here: (1) Generating new ideas (2) Getting things done Brainstorming is perfect for (1) and crap for (2). And vice versa. It is essential for brainstorming that ideas are not pre-judged or criticised. We seem to be moving from discussing a brainstorming session to an action-oriented planning meeting. Which is it? Or should we have both? (I think we should.) Finally, when? Can we use timeanddate.com as a planning tool? Can anyone suggest a better alternative? http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/meetingtime.html?day=30month=4year=2007p1=952p2=137p3=234p4=179iv=0 -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list -- -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Re-inventing the GNOME Marketing team
My suggestion is that we really try to keep it to small, easily accomplishable objectives. I think what we have is a very small active number of contributors and a lot of people who contribute to discussion. Once we get the small steps done we can work on larger ones. I'll participate in an IRC meeting... sri On Mon, Apr 23, 2007 at 10:37:17PM -0400, Ken VanDine wrote: Based on the feedback the GMAE thread, let me suggest we re-invent ourselves. I think it is obvious we are needed, but right now we really don't have a direction. Let's fix this! We have the power to do it... we just need to do it. Let's organize a brain storming session to get the ball rolling. We should gather a list of major areas of responsibilty, and then get folks to take some organization around them and define real goals and measure our success. How does a IRC meeting sound? I know that can be hard with all the timezones, but the initial brain storming might be more effective live. I am happy to organize this and do whatever else I can do to get us moving forward. I truely believe we can make a difference, but without goals we are going no where. Thoughts? --Ken -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list -- -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Re-inventing the GNOME Marketing team
2007/4/24, Sriram Ramkrishna [EMAIL PROTECTED]: My suggestion is that we really try to keep it to small, easily accomplishable objectives. I think what we have is a very small active number of contributors and a lot of people who contribute to discussion. Second this thought. I suggest that we do a IRC meeting and discuss two things: * Overall movement forward * Small tasks program I agree that we are more talking than doing - and even worse, as I, just listening and saying nothing - so we must create very small, doable tasks and asign them to the people who wants them - afaik web page is already is written by such method. We must just keep some wiki/etc stuff for people to check out progress and see if there is open tasks to do. just my thoughts, Peter. -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Re-inventing the GNOME Marketing team
Hi, What we need is people saying I will do X, and then doing it. Deeper and more abstract debates around the marketing team are ok, but without this one-by-one initial commitment it's quite worthless, as we have seen in the past. I'll keep the responsibility to release the wgo revamp around the marketing-list, as the board decided last year. Once we have released a satisfactory revamped website we can discuss how to continue in the web front. Due to personal circumstances I have quite limited availability. I will do my best to be in the IRC meeting but can't promise. btw, having two teams for desktop and embedded has little to none sense, IMvHO. -- Quim Gil /// http://desdeamericaconamor.org -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Re-inventing the GNOME Marketing team
Hi, Ken VanDine wrote: Let's organize a brain storming session to get the ball rolling. ... How does a IRC meeting sound? I'm happy for people to have an IRC meeting if it will result in actions with names beside them. I'm not convinced that a freeform brainstorming session will generate that, though - I don't think I'll be attending any IRC meeting, but if one is held, and comes up with a concrete actions/names list, I'll happily abide by that. Feel free to add my name to actions that you think I'm doing already too - if there is anything I can't do and want to off-load, I'll take responsibility for doing that. Cheers, Dave. -- Dave Neary GNOME Foundation member [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Re-inventing the GNOME Marketing team
Hi, Talking about actions... We from GNOME-BR are going to start mapping organizations (govern, companies, ngo, universities, etc) in Brazil which use GNOME desktop. Of course our idea is not to map everything but at least some good ones. I'm sure Brazil is one of the biggest users of GNOME in the world so I think we'll find quite many successful (small|medium|large) cases there. :-) Cheers! --lucasr 2007/4/24, Dave Neary [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi, Ken VanDine wrote: Let's organize a brain storming session to get the ball rolling. ... How does a IRC meeting sound? I'm happy for people to have an IRC meeting if it will result in actions with names beside them. I'm not convinced that a freeform brainstorming session will generate that, though - I don't think I'll be attending any IRC meeting, but if one is held, and comes up with a concrete actions/names list, I'll happily abide by that. Feel free to add my name to actions that you think I'm doing already too - if there is anything I can't do and want to off-load, I'll take responsibility for doing that. Cheers, Dave. -- Dave Neary GNOME Foundation member [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Re-inventing the GNOME Marketing team
On Mon, 2007-04-23 at 22:37 -0400, Ken VanDine wrote: Based on the feedback the GMAE thread, let me suggest we re-invent ourselves. I think it is obvious we are needed, but right now we really don't have a direction. Let's fix this! We have the power to do it... we just need to do it. Let's organize a brain storming session to get the ball rolling. We should gather a list of major areas of responsibilty, and then get folks to take some organization around them and define real goals and measure our success. How does a IRC meeting sound? I know that can be hard with all the timezones, but the initial brain storming might be more effective live. I am happy to organize this and do whatever else I can do to get us moving forward. I truely believe we can make a difference, but without goals we are going no where. Thoughts? Speaking from personal experience, I can tell you the following two things are critical to making IRC meetings work well: 1) Have an agenda and follow it. 2) Send details minutes to the mailing list afterward. -- Shaun -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Re-inventing the GNOME Marketing team
Le mardi 24 avril 2007, à 10:10, Shaun McCance a écrit : On Mon, 2007-04-23 at 22:37 -0400, Ken VanDine wrote: Based on the feedback the GMAE thread, let me suggest we re-invent ourselves. I think it is obvious we are needed, but right now we really don't have a direction. Let's fix this! We have the power to do it... we just need to do it. Let's organize a brain storming session to get the ball rolling. We should gather a list of major areas of responsibilty, and then get folks to take some organization around them and define real goals and measure our success. How does a IRC meeting sound? I know that can be hard with all the timezones, but the initial brain storming might be more effective live. I am happy to organize this and do whatever else I can do to get us moving forward. I truely believe we can make a difference, but without goals we are going no where. Thoughts? Speaking from personal experience, I can tell you the following two things are critical to making IRC meetings work well: 1) Have an agenda and follow it. 2) Send details minutes to the mailing list afterward. and 3) Assign clear actions to real people during the meeting (as some people already pointed out) Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Re-inventing the GNOME Marketing team
Oh yeah definately. I have held a number of these already. Clear, well communicated agenda before hand. Action items leaving the meeting, summary type minutes sent out after the meeting and an irc log for folks that wish they could have made it. I will work on this tonight, and hopefully send more info out tonight. Thanks, --Ken On 4/24/07, Vincent Untz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Le mardi 24 avril 2007, à 10:10, Shaun McCance a écrit : On Mon, 2007-04-23 at 22:37 -0400, Ken VanDine wrote: Based on the feedback the GMAE thread, let me suggest we re-invent ourselves. I think it is obvious we are needed, but right now we really don't have a direction. Let's fix this! We have the power to do it... we just need to do it. Let's organize a brain storming session to get the ball rolling. We should gather a list of major areas of responsibilty, and then get folks to take some organization around them and define real goals and measure our success. How does a IRC meeting sound? I know that can be hard with all the timezones, but the initial brain storming might be more effective live. I am happy to organize this and do whatever else I can do to get us moving forward. I truely believe we can make a difference, but without goals we are going no where. Thoughts? Speaking from personal experience, I can tell you the following two things are critical to making IRC meetings work well: 1) Have an agenda and follow it. 2) Send details minutes to the mailing list afterward. and 3) Assign clear actions to real people during the meeting (as some people already pointed out) Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Re-inventing the GNOME Marketing team
Dudes and Dudettes, I would like to seek some clarification and offer some advice. I am sure it is old advice to some, but what the hay. We seem to be discussing two separate issues here: (1) Generating new ideas (2) Getting things done Brainstorming is perfect for (1) and crap for (2). And vice versa. It is essential for brainstorming that ideas are not pre-judged or criticised. We seem to be moving from discussing a brainstorming session to an action-oriented planning meeting. Which is it? Or should we have both? (I think we should.) Finally, when? Can we use timeanddate.com as a planning tool? Can anyone suggest a better alternative? http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/meetingtime.html?day=30month=4year=2007p1=952p2=137p3=234p4=179iv=0 -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Re-inventing the GNOME Marketing team
timeanddate.com looks like a good tool, I will play around with it. Thanks for the tip. John - As usually you are right on. I don't think this meeting will get things done. But what I would like to do is get a list of areas we need to cover and have firm names next to them for people to take responsibility to get those balls rolling. I think more than anything what I want to see are goals. Without goals we will never accomplist anything. If we can publish goals, we can work towards them, and moreover new comers to the marketing group will have a resource to look to. --Ken On 4/24/07, John Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dudes and Dudettes, I would like to seek some clarification and offer some advice. I am sure it is old advice to some, but what the hay. We seem to be discussing two separate issues here: (1) Generating new ideas (2) Getting things done Brainstorming is perfect for (1) and crap for (2). And vice versa. It is essential for brainstorming that ideas are not pre-judged or criticised. We seem to be moving from discussing a brainstorming session to an action-oriented planning meeting. Which is it? Or should we have both? (I think we should.) Finally, when? Can we use timeanddate.com as a planning tool? Can anyone suggest a better alternative? http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/meetingtime.html?day=30month=4year=2007p1=952p2=137p3=234p4=179iv=0 -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re-inventing the GNOME Marketing team
Based on the feedback the GMAE thread, let me suggest we re-invent ourselves. I think it is obvious we are needed, but right now we really don't have a direction. Let's fix this! We have the power to do it... we just need to do it. Let's organize a brain storming session to get the ball rolling. We should gather a list of major areas of responsibilty, and then get folks to take some organization around them and define real goals and measure our success. How does a IRC meeting sound? I know that can be hard with all the timezones, but the initial brain storming might be more effective live. I am happy to organize this and do whatever else I can do to get us moving forward. I truely believe we can make a difference, but without goals we are going no where. Thoughts? --Ken -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
