[Marxism] Noel Ignatiev comments on my review of "Free State of Jones'
POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * Louis Proyect review of Free State of Jones: http://portside.org/2016-07-02/free-state-jones. Thanks. One more bit of information I have not seen anywhere: in 1946, when the CIO Woodworkers Union was organizing in Mississippi, among the most active of the organizers were descendants of Newt and his band. I have seen that nowhere; even Victoria didn't mention it. I learned it from Ken Lawrence, who learned it from local people. That would have made a better epilogue than the Davis case. _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Marxism] Continuing use of internment without trial and prison repression in north of Ireland
POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * https://theirishrevolution.wordpress.com/2016/07/22/speech-by-rnus-paul-crawford-at-july-3-newry-anti-internment-rally/ https://theirishrevolution.wordpress.com/2016/07/22/maghaberry-prison-administration-steps-up-aggression/ _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Robert Reich on a new third party
POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * Don't we already have another party, i.e. the Greens? What is he talking about? - Amith On Thu, Jul 21, 2016 at 6:25 PM, Thomas via Marxism < marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu> wrote: > POSTING RULES & NOTES > #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. > #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. > #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. > * > > No Billy, we can't buy you a new tricycle right now. If we do, we won't > have the money to pay our rent to that mean old landlord, and we'll be > living in cardboard boxes out on the street. > > But if you're a good boy now, you will get what you want for Christmas. > > Bobby Reich > via Thomas B > > > -Original Message- > >From: Louis Proyect via Marxism> >Sent: Jul 21, 2016 12:16 PM > >To: Thomas F Barton > >Subject: [Marxism] Robert Reich on a new third party > > >This was from a Nation Magazine symposium on the post-Sanders conjuncture. > > > >ROBERT B. REICH > >A Third Party vs. Big Money > > > >The next move for Bernie Sanders’s political revolution is to set up a > >third party (shall we call it the New Progressive Party?), whose primary > >goal should be to get big money out of politics. > > The New Progressive Party should begin right after the November election > (we mustn’t do anything in the interim that increases the odds of a Trump > takeover of America), with Bernie as its > chairman and his e-mail list of supporters as its core. > > Robert B. Reich, a former secretary of labor in the Clinton > >administration, is a professor of public policy at the University of > >California, Berkeley > > > _ > Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm > Set your options at: > http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/amithrgupta%40gmail.com > _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Robert Reich on a new third party
POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * No Billy, we can't buy you a new tricycle right now. If we do, we won't have the money to pay our rent to that mean old landlord, and we'll be living in cardboard boxes out on the street. But if you're a good boy now, you will get what you want for Christmas. Bobby Reich via Thomas B -Original Message- >From: Louis Proyect via Marxism>Sent: Jul 21, 2016 12:16 PM >To: Thomas F Barton >Subject: [Marxism] Robert Reich on a new third party >This was from a Nation Magazine symposium on the post-Sanders conjuncture. > >ROBERT B. REICH >A Third Party vs. Big Money > >The next move for Bernie Sanders’s political revolution is to set up a >third party (shall we call it the New Progressive Party?), whose primary >goal should be to get big money out of politics. The New Progressive Party should begin right after the November election (we mustn’t do anything in the interim that increases the odds of a Trump takeover of America), with Bernie as its chairman and his e-mail list of supporters as its core. Robert B. Reich, a former secretary of labor in the Clinton >administration, is a professor of public policy at the University of >California, Berkeley _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Why are the ‘eco-extremist tendency’ so fucked?
POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * > On Jul 20, 2016, at 11:22 PM, dr.w via Marxism >wrote: > > To be clear I condemn them. Why not just condemn their ideas? _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Marxism] Chris Wood song about the police murder of Jean Charles de Menezes, London, July 22, 2005
POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * It hardly seems 11 years since this police killing. Chris Wood is one of the finest of the 'new wave' British folkies. Great artist in his own right as well as a key figure in the Imagined Village project. https://rdln.wordpress.com/2016/07/22/lest-we-forget-the-cedar-lounge-revolution/ _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Marxism] The leadership contest in the UK
POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * Gregory writes 'With this creep being the standard bearer of the right I hope Gary MacLennan is correct in his confidence in a Corbyn victory'. We will see, Gregory. The signs though are good. I wish I had the same chance of winning the Lotto. I have just downloaded Richard Seymour's free book from Verso on the Corbyn drama and when I have gotten to it, I will post on it. What makes me confident, even though I am reading UK politics from Australia, is that Smith is forced to fight as a "radical" and a "leftist". When Corbyn took over, the criticism was he was unelectable because he was too left wing. Now the criticism is that he is not very good at Question Time in Parliament. And Smith is claiming to be more radical. That is a joke of course that fools no one. But it is significant that the common sense around Corbyn's "unelectability" is disintegrating. As it stands some 40 of the MPs who voted for a no-confidence motion against Corbyn are showing signs of uneasiness, in the face of a huge surge in party membership and the subsequent threat they could be dis-endorsed. They boycotted the launch of Smith's challenge for the leadership. When you look over the side of the ship and you see the rat tails flicking in the water you know there is a problem. The smart thing now is for the Old Right and the Soft Left to sneak out of the bed while the Blairites doze on. On the 26th the judge is due to hand down his judgement on whether Corbyn can be automatically included on the ballot. That I think is the last card in the anti-Corbyn hand. The Blairite challenge was badly conceived and executed. The Old Right and the Soft Left are left carrying the anti-Corbyn banner and the best they can come up with is Smith's "fury" over Parliamentary Question time and his claim to be "normal" because he has a wife and children. What is worse for Corbyn's enemies is that the dirty tricks Watson has unleashed have not worked. And only Corbyn stands between the Parliamentarians and the revenge of the members. comradely Gary _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Robert Reich on a new third party
POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * Or it's just talking left to hustle up votes for $hillary. Hold him to it but don't spare the scepticism! On Thu, Jul 21, 2016 at 2:09 PM, Louis Proyect via Marxism < marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu> wrote: > That's true but this call is far bolder than anything that will ever come > out of Sanders's mouth. > > On Thu, Jul 21, 2016 at 2:19 PM, Mark Lause via Marxism < > marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu> wrote: > >> >> >> Yes, It legitimates the idea of getting out of the two-party >> strait-jacket. >> >> . . . .and it's just another case of where a Democratic party functionary >> lands somewhere way the devil to the left of the official labor movement. >> >> ML > > _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Marxism] Clinton/Trump Neoliberalism: a Media Critique
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Re: [Marxism] Robert Reich on a new third party
POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * Yes, It legitimates the idea of getting out of the two-party strait-jacket. . . . .and it's just another case of where a Democratic party functionary lands somewhere way the devil to the left of the official labor movement. ML _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Robert Reich on a new third party
POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * That's true but this call is far bolder than anything that will ever come out of Sanders's mouth. On 7/21/16 1:44 PM, Dennis Brasky wrote: Reich is a Democratic Party hack who was silent about neoliberal corporate policies and Big $$ domination of US politics when he served loyally in the Bill Clinton Administration. His proposal to begin work on this "new party" AFTER the November election so as not to help the "greater evil" Trump tells us all we need to know about this fraudster. _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Robert Reich on a new third party
POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * Reich is a Democratic Party hack who was silent about neoliberal corporate policies and Big $$ domination of US politics when he served loyally in the Bill Clinton Administration. His proposal to begin work on this "new party" AFTER the November election so as not to help the "greater evil" Trump tells us all we need to know about this fraudster. On Thu, Jul 21, 2016 at 12:16 PM, Louis Proyect via Marxism < marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu> wrote: > > > ROBERT B. REICH > A Third Party vs. Big Money > > The next move for Bernie Sanders’s political revolution is to set up a > third party (shall we call it the New Progressive Party?), whose primary > goal should be to get big money out of politics. Nothing else worth doing > is possible unless we reclaim our democracy, and we can’t do that through > our current Democratic or Republican parties, both of which are beholden to > big money. The New Progressive Party should begin right after the November > election (we mustn’t do anything in the interim that increases the odds of > a Trump takeover of America), with Bernie as its chairman and his e-mail > list of supporters as its core. > > Unlike the spin-off organizations from past progressive candidacies, such > as Howard Dean’s Democracy for America, the New Progressive Party would be > explicitly political, recruiting and fielding candidates in the 2018 > midterm elections for the Senate and House—as well as the presidency in > 2020—who are committed to reforming our democracy. Rather than relying on > fund-raising efforts at election time, the party would be funded by > dues-paying members (say $1 to $5 a month, depending on your income) who > are actively involved in establishing and participating in local and state > chapters. New Progressives would be the lifeblood of the next generation of > politics, carrying on Bernie’s political revolution by creating a new and > vibrant center of countervailing power in America. > _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Robert Reich on a new third party
POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * Sounds like Reich is channeling Lawrence Lessig, who campaigned on that platform in the Democrat primaries and got zero traction. - Original Message -From: Louis Proyect ROBERT B. REICHA Third Party vs. Big Money The next move for Bernie Sanderss political revolution is to set up a third party (shall we call it the New Progressive Party?), whose primary goal should be to get big money out of politics. Nothing else worth doing is possible unless we reclaim our democracy, and we cant do that through our current Democratic or Republican parties, both of which are beholden to big money. _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Marxism] Robert Reich on a new third party
POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * This was from a Nation Magazine symposium on the post-Sanders conjuncture. ROBERT B. REICH A Third Party vs. Big Money The next move for Bernie Sanders’s political revolution is to set up a third party (shall we call it the New Progressive Party?), whose primary goal should be to get big money out of politics. Nothing else worth doing is possible unless we reclaim our democracy, and we can’t do that through our current Democratic or Republican parties, both of which are beholden to big money. The New Progressive Party should begin right after the November election (we mustn’t do anything in the interim that increases the odds of a Trump takeover of America), with Bernie as its chairman and his e-mail list of supporters as its core. Unlike the spin-off organizations from past progressive candidacies, such as Howard Dean’s Democracy for America, the New Progressive Party would be explicitly political, recruiting and fielding candidates in the 2018 midterm elections for the Senate and House—as well as the presidency in 2020—who are committed to reforming our democracy. Rather than relying on fund-raising efforts at election time, the party would be funded by dues-paying members (say $1 to $5 a month, depending on your income) who are actively involved in establishing and participating in local and state chapters. New Progressives would be the lifeblood of the next generation of politics, carrying on Bernie’s political revolution by creating a new and vibrant center of countervailing power in America. Robert B. Reich, a former secretary of labor in the Clinton administration, is a professor of public policy at the University of California, Berkeley, and the author, most recently, of Saving Capitalism: For the Many, Not the Few. _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Marxism] Corbyn's opponent lobbyist for drug companies
POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * This article gives some background on Owen Smith who has been put forward to try to defeat Jeremy Corbyn in the British Labour Party. He was a lobbyist for giant drug companies and made the "mistake" of helping to open the way for a Tory attack on the National Health . With this creep being the standard bearer of the right I hope Gary MacLennan is correct in his confidence in a Corbyn victory http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jul/20/owen-smith-i-have-never-advocated-privatisation-of-the-nhs _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] question re social media etiquette
POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * He attacked my pro-US Green Party position on FB as aiding the fascist, Islamophobic Trump forces. On Thu, Jul 21, 2016 at 8:56 AM, Andrew Pollack via Marxism < marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu> wrote: > > > A Facebook friend just posted a long status on Turkey by Sam Charles Hamad, > basically an apologia for Erdogan and the AKP, whitewashing his crimes, and > holding him up as democracy's best bet in the country. > > If this sounds familiar it's because Hamad used the same method when > analyzing Egypt (i.e. pandering to Morsi as democracy's best hope). > In the case of Egypt, Sam also viciously denounced those who asserted the > need for the country's workers to take the lead. He hasn't yet done so > regarding Turkey (although workers are noticeably absent from his > analysis), but I'm sure he'll get there. > > _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Fwd: ‘That Thing’s Coming Down Today’ « LRB blog
POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * On 7/21/16 10:29 AM, Ernest Leif wrote: If I recall Rick Wolff had an interesting piece about the Yale strike of '96. I think this is it here: http://www.jstor.org/stable/466890?seq=1#page_scan_tab_contents There's also this: Chronicle of Higher Education, May 6, 2005 Look for the Union Label Veterans of Yale's graduate-student strikes are forging their experiences into scholarship By DAVID GLENN Late last month, for the sixth time since 1990, graduate teaching assistants at Yale University went on strike. The strikers' demands have changed little from those in the previous five walkouts: better health benefits, child care for students with families, and an end to Yale's practice of reducing teaching assistants' wages after their fourth year in graduate school. Chief among the strikers' demands throughout the years has been that Yale recognize their union -- the Graduate Employees and Students Organization, or GESO -- as a collective-bargaining agent. In the 18 years (and counting) of conflict over teaching assistants' rights at Yale, pro-union students have developed an elaborate subculture of activism. In some cases, cadre wins out over classroom: At least a dozen veterans of the student union have left academe for jobs in the labor movement. The union's opponents, meanwhile, have developed their own vibrant tradition of criticism. A satirical leaflet they distributed in 2000, for example, announced a fictitious GESO workshop that would train students "to shirk personal responsibility while whining with self-absorbed urgency." The Yale union battles, whatever their outcome, have already left a lasting imprint that goes deeper than the leaflets and counterleaflets piling up in New Haven. In a small way, the conflict has left its mark on scholarship itself. Several of the graduate-student union's most visible organizers in the mid-1990s -- an era marked by a bitterly contested grade strike -- are now junior professors of history, political science, and American studies at other campuses across the country. Those young scholars bonded at Yale a decade ago in part because of their mutual frustration with then-fashionable academic leftists "who were willing to analyze power but not willing to build social movements," says Corey Robin, an assistant professor of political science at City University of New York's Brooklyn College who spent much of the 1990s as a GESO organizer. During the past three years, a number of Yale graduate-school labor veterans have published several acclaimed books on economic and political conflict. All of them say that, in one way or another, their scholarly projects have been profoundly affected by their bruising experiences at Yale. Skeptical at First Mr. Robin, who is perhaps the most prominent of the GESO veterans, published his first book last fall. In Fear: The History of a Political Idea (Oxford University Press), he explores how theorists from Montesquieu to Judith Shklar have understood the roles played by anxiety and terror in political life. Among the book's themes is that contemporary liberal and communitarian theorists have paid far too little attention to private-sector tyranny in the workplace. When Mr. Robin arrived at Yale as a graduate student in 1990, he initially found the nascent union movement tedious and misguided. He attended a GESO event during his first week on campus. "They were going on about how Yale is a feudal institution where everyone had to rely on the patronage of the faculty," he recalls. "And I sort of raised my hand and said, What's so bad about that?" Within a year, however, Mr. Robin grew much more sympathetic to the union's arguments. In particular, he was angered by the manner in which the university established a policy that required graduate students to complete their doctorates within six years. "There was no grandfather clause," he says. "I had friends who were in their seventh year, who were suddenly not allowed to register or to use the library." Mr. Robin was only in his first year, and at some remove from the rules' impact. But he was bothered by what he saw as the university's imperiousness. "I'm not a lazy person," he says. "I certainly believe in getting work done and all the rest of it. But there was something about this whole chunk-'em-in-chunk-'em-out philosophy that I really did find noxious." New Vantage Point At a rally that spring, Mr. Robin came to see Yale's student-union activists as "people who actually had a view of the university that was quite close to my own." Mr. Robin had conceived of writing a dissertation on fear before he joined the union, but the eventual project was
Re: [Marxism] Fwd: ‘That Thing’s Coming Down Today’ « LRB blog
POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * If I recall Rick Wolff had an interesting piece about the Yale strike of '96. I think this is it here: http://www.jstor.org/stable/466890?seq=1#page_scan_tab_contents _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Marxism] Fwd: The Socialist Singularity - Los Angeles Review of Books
POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * There could scarcely be a more opportune moment, then, for the appearance in English of the late Cuban science fiction master Agustín de Rojas’s epic novel The Year 200. This final and most ambitious installment of a trilogy is now being published for the first time in English by Restless Books. De Rojas’s book, first published in 1990 as the Soviet Bloc collapsed, has the potential to reintroduce English-speaking readers to the suppleness, complexity, and productive ambiguities of the left-utopian tradition in science fiction. The Year 200 speaks the language of cybernetics, that mostly forgotten ancestor of Silicon Valley futurism, and reveals some of the ways in which it did and did not anticipate our present dilemmas. De Rojas’s lucid fictional world intersects with many of our contemporary technological obsessions but charges them with remarkably distinct political valences. full: https://lareviewofbooks.org/article/the-socialist-singularity/ _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] question re social media etiquette
POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * Thanks for the clarification Louis. Here's what Hamad wrote: "I genuinely give up. I'm not a fan of Erdogan, though I've been accused by idiots of being a supporter and member of the AKP, and I actually, much to the chagrin of some of my pro-AKP comrades (and I do regard them as comrades of the first class), supported the protests in Taksim Square and Gezi Park. My view on the AKP has never been that they've slid into petty authoritarianism because they're 'Islamist', as they just simply are not in governmental or even ideological terms 'Islamist' by any reasonable definition of that term, as in those who wish to see sharia as the sole source of law and rule by the ulama. They are a socially conservative party rooted in social classes that were for decades locked out of Turkish politics and culture by various different 'secular' elites. Those who conjure the spectre of 'Islamism' regarding the AKP are almost certainly doing so to cynically exploit Islamophobia for political reasons - it has absolutely no veracity in the manner in which they've governed as a party. The problem was when the great awakening of democracy occurred within Turkey, its agents were not going to let it go. They didn't want to see a return to the bad old days when their cultural values and when their political rights were curtailed and sneered at - so they became one of the most loyal bases of any democratic political party in the world. The opposition to the AKP has been dismal over the course of its rule, which has meant that the AKP has essentially become the only truly national party in Turkey, commanding massive shares of the vote even at its lowest points and garnering the support not just of socially conservative Turks, but an even wider and varied base - it has managed even to gain 50% of the vote among Kurds. Indeed, the accusations of them being 'Islamists', which is an obsession of some parts of the opposition and much of the US and European right, is seen by the AKP base as evidence of these forces' will to disenfranchise them and curtail their political and cultural agency as Muslims. For those who know anything about Turkish history, they have very good reason to fear this. Those who are squeamish over the way the Turkish government are dealing with the coupists might want to bear in mid that over 100 Turkish civilians defending democracy were murdered by these fascists - imagine the atrocities that would've been necessary had the coup succeeded in smashing democracy? Think of Rabaa and Nadha. Think of the constant brutality of the Egyptian counter-revolution. Those Turks throwing up the R4BIA four finger salute certainly know exactly what I mean here. But the popularity of the AKP has led to problems with the leadership and an increasing authoritarianism that even some AKP supporters have openly criticised. The AKP leadership, not all of them, but certainly the pro-Erdogan 'wing, are a perfect vindication of the logic behind that old saying about absolute power corrupting absolutely - but the power they have gained has been through the ballot box. And they have not yet been corrupted absolutely - one of the key features of the great swell of popular activity against the recent failed putsch was the lack of pictures of Erdogan. Even AKP supporters knew that what was happening during the putsch was bigger than Erdogan and bigger than the AKP - it was a battle for the soul of Turkey. A fight against the return to the days where democracy was despised and the aspiration of the many were so firmly discarded in favour for the interests of the few. Where the military reigned supreme. I have nothing but resolute opposition to any authoritarianism practiced by Erdogan and the AKP, but the fact is, as we saw from the election wherein the AKP failed to get an overall majority, they can still be removed from power and challenged democratically. However, hope for me lies in the base of the AKP. Those politicised by their own historic struggles against authoritarianism and those who have, more than any other country in the world, pushed their party towards showing solidarity with Palestinians, with pro-democracy Egyptians (until this day, Turkey recognises Mohamed Morsi as the legitimate president) and, more importantly through the sheer scale of the events, aiding the victims of Assad, Iran and Russia's terror in Syria. It's the base of the AKP that drive this - not these myths of Erdogan's 'Neo-Ottomanism' or, indeed, the idea that he was particularly averse to Assad, whom he once called a friend (though Erdogan and many of his comrades were of course once jailed for their beliefs - so it's also not true to say
Re: [Marxism] question re social media etiquette
POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * On 7/21/16 8:56 AM, Andrew Pollack via Marxism wrote: Is it acceptable to post someone's Facebook status on a public list? Usually they don't care but about 3 years ago or so I was taken to task by Corey Robin by crossposting something from his timeline here. I was startled frankly that he read Marxmail and also annoyed that he would think that his rights had been violated. My feeling is that if you post something on the Net, you should expect it to be crossposted. The only exception to that rule is email. _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Marxism] question re social media etiquette
POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * A Facebook friend just posted a long status on Turkey by Sam Charles Hamad, basically an apologia for Erdogan and the AKP, whitewashing his crimes, and holding him up as democracy's best bet in the country. If this sounds familiar it's because Hamad used the same method when analyzing Egypt (i.e. pandering to Morsi as democracy's best hope). In the case of Egypt, Sam also viciously denounced those who asserted the need for the country's workers to take the lead. He hasn't yet done so regarding Turkey (although workers are noticeably absent from his analysis), but I'm sure he'll get there. So, here's the etiquette question: Is it acceptable to post someone's Facebook status on a public list? I ask both as a general rule and in circumstances like mine where the author has blocked me. _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Marxism] Corbyn launches campaign
POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * My usual twitter feed has not yet caught up the Corbyn launch. However, judging by the grudging praise from his enemies in the main stream media, he has had a triumph. He is set now to campaign in front of massive crowds until the conference in September. This coup has turned out to be a disaster. It had two phases first the Blairites struck staging their rolling resignations. That did not work then the Old Right under Watson appears to have taken over the coup. His strategy was to keep Corbyn off the ballot paper and when that failed he tried to disenfranchise Corbyn's base. That has failed too. So now the specter of deselection as the grimmest of Grim Reapers has come on the stage. The Right have alienated the new members by depriving them off a vote and banning meetings and suspending branches but they cannot keep doing that. The memerbs will have a chance to DE-select the MPs who went against their wishes. If the Corbyn slate for the NEC gets up then There will be no centre to impose right wing MPs on left wing constituencies. Already some of Corbyn's enemies are suing for peace. That will become an even greater number. I am reminded of Sun Tzu's injunction in the *The Art of War*, not to charge the enemy when they occupy the high ground. Corbyn has the moral high ground thanks to plotting and the dirty tricks that Watson and his allies have unleashed. He also has the fire power to take his enemies out. And they know it. What though can they do? They cannot call off the campaign, much as they would love to now. They have maneuvered Corbyn into a position of strength. He may not be very good at Prime Minister's Questions times but only the elite think that is an important arena. Out in the streets and halls across England he is unbeatable and the idiots who tried to topple him will be about to see the full might of the Corbyn movement build up over the summer and all the way to the Party Conference. All very pleasing. comradely Gary _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Marxism] Fwd: Fla. police shoot black man with his hands up as he tries to help autistic patient - The Washington Post
POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2016/07/21/fla-police-shoot-black-man-with-his-hands-up-as-he-tries-to-help-autistic-patient/ _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Marxism] Free labour, the US civil war and the making of an American working class
POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * Interview with Marxmail regular Mark Lause, here: https://rdln.wordpress.com/2016/07/21/free-labour-the-civil-war-and-the-making-of-an-american-working-class-interview-with-mark-lause/ _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com